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Show Host 1 (4:33)

Well, the mainstream media called the Pizzagate story a fake story. Of course, nothing to See here. Of course, elites aren't sexually abusing young children. Of course, they couldn't be that captivated journalist, as they say, as PBS News called it, was the thrill of the chase for journalists perpetuating fake news. They all. This all started after WikiLeaks published thousands upon thousands of emails from then Clinton and Obama official John Podesta. And inside those emails were many references to pizza, pizza parties, all sorts of weird, potentially, you know, coded, coded words. And it struck one reporter as bizarre as if the term pizza was code for something very dark, something related to pedophilia, perhaps. After all, John Podesta swims in creepy circles. To be sure. His brother Tony, for instance, seems to really love creepy child abuse artwork hung right in his house. Here's just a few examples of that. Our next guest, Liz Crokin, is the first journalist to actually connect the dots in all of this. Putting all of this together, she saw patterns where Hollywood elites and politicians were openly communicating about child sacrifice, sex trafficking rituals, pedophilia, joking about it in emails and yes, pizza, of course. Here's one example. Chrissy Teigen, married to John Legend. Here's just one example. Johnny and I are on our way to the Hollydale and Corinna Bellenoff is serving a nice four year old cheese pizza with adrenochrome. Okay, who never think to post something.

Show Host 2 (6:10)

Why would you joke about that?

Show Host 1 (6:12)

But that's not the only time she joked about that. Here's a few more examples over the years. I'm 1, 1 million percent going to be a child. Going to be a child from Toddlers and Tiaras for Halloween. Can we fast forward time, please? I'm beyond excited. I'm going to jail over pizza. She says, I woke up this morning with a pizza on my chest and ranch dressing all over me. So if you think I'm for this, you are sadly mistaken. It's actually so ridiculous. Most of the plane just laughs hysterically when someone just comes on with pizza. Then at the bottom accidentally went to the children's aquarium looking pretty pedo bearish cruise in the parking lot, like joking about being a pedophile star. I mean, it's so bizarre. Then the lower right seeing little girls do the splits half naked is just. I just want to put myself in jail. Toddlers and Tiaras. So journalist Liz Crokin took them to task. Specifically Chrissy Teague and John Tegan. Excuse me. And John Legend had something to say about that. You need to take my family's name out of your mouth before you get sued. John Legend wrote to her initial tweet, chrissy, you run in circles with people who rape, torture and traffic kids. This is a fact. I expose sex trafficking for a living. Liz is an investigative journalist who first broke the Pizzagate story wide open from the 2016 WikiLeaks emails. And we have to give credit where credit is due. Liz, welcome to the show. Great to see you.

Liz Crokin (7:38)

Hi, guys. Thank you so much for having me on. I gotta give some context, though, to the Chrissy Teigen few. Yeah, yeah, please.

Show Host 2 (7:46)

Okay.

Liz Crokin (7:47)

I'm going to start by saying that you posted some of her abhorrent emails where she's clearly promoting pedophilia. But I just want your audience to understand those are just some. She had to delete tens of thousands of tweets going back decades after we got into this Twitter feud. So that's number one. And then number two, the tweet where John Legend threatened to sue me in that. The tweet that I wrote. So he was, quote, tweeting me, you know, I said, I said, you run in circles with people who rape, torture, and traffic children. Okay, so in that tweet, you can't see it because this is, you know, years back and before X or when X was Twitter, but I actually had posted four pictures of her with different known sexual predators and or pedophiles, and one of them would have been Harvey Weinstein and another one was someone that John Legend and Chrissy Teigen did some kind of philanthropic event with who actually had been charged and convicted of sex trafficking. So there is more context to that tweet. And everything that I said about them was 100% factual. So they did get into a huge Twitter feud with me for pointing out that Chrissy Teigen not only promotes pedophilia on her social media pages, and not just Twitter, by the way, was Instagram too. But she was also promoting pedophile code words, including known pedophile code words or symbols that are have been identified by the FBI. So everything I wrote about Chrissy Teigen was 100% accurate. And then she fired back, you know, days after I had tweeted about her. Just kind of out of the blue, it felt like a very coordinated attack. And the next thing I know, I have her attacking me, millions of her followers attacking me. The Church of Satan defended her honor. Hooters and Chelsea Clinton. I'm actually not kidding. When she was Twitter feud, like, of the verified people that were defending her, it was the Church of Satan, Hooters and Chelsea Clinton, like Satan Spa. It's like, you can't make this up. I'm like, you guys are in her case here by coming out. And then, you know, and then of course John Legend threatened to sue me. This was in 2017. Still waiting for the lawsuit. I've actually begged them over the years, please sue me. Like, discovery would be wonderful. If you willing to promote pedophilia on your Twitter page, then imagine, you know, what she's doing behind closed doors. And of course it was just an empty threat.

Show Host 2 (10:24)

But then it's worth mentioning. Truth is an absolute defense. So what you are saying here is you are associated with known sexual predators and you have proof and you're saying that you are promoting pedophilia on your own social media and that is undeniable based on just the snapshot we just showed. So none of this is conjecture. We are going to get into to how you decoded Pizzagate into something which at the time was conjecture and no longer is. But what you're saying here is provable. There's no, there's no suit here because truth is an absolute defense.

Liz Crokin (11:02)

Well, that's why they didn't scare me. And you know, they, what, what these powerful people do is they use all different kinds of intimidation tactics to, to silence you. Sometimes they kill you. And you know, it doesn't work for me. For me, it, it just pissed me off even more and I, I doubled down on them. And so, but traditionally with a lot of people, these intimidation tactics work. But you're absolutely right. Like look, the media also, when they were recovering our Twitter feud, including the Today show, they took it further to slander me in the Today show. Said I'm a self described journalist. Well, no, actually I had been working in the mainstream media for two decades and I have a journalism degree and that had been well documented, you know, all over the Internet, including on my Twitter page. And so the Today's show shows to misguide their audience and make it seem like I'm just this random person that woke up one day and decided that I'm going to be a journalist.

Show Host 1 (11:55)

And as if NBC News, which is an extension of the CIA. Kendallaney and these people that get handed information directly from the intelligence state, they are journalists. Give me a break. Give me a break. I can't even, I can't even with that.

Show Host 2 (12:08)

Right. What distinguishes you from them? I too have worked in the mainstream media. I guess that gives because I've been ordained at one point by them, then I get that title. But if I had otherwise not you know, they don't have any other extra credentials than we do from a journalism degree, so. Middle finger.

Liz Crokin (12:26)

Yeah. Well, the only difference is that they're propagandists. And I, and I tell the truth. I get the memo that you're not allowed to be a journalist unless you, you know, push the deep state talking points and protect pedophiles. But they made clearly after I started covering Pizzagate and, and went after me and I lost all my jobs.

Show Host 2 (12:43)

But if I may, Pizzagate is an epithet for someone who's crazy that has how they framed it in order to discredit anybody with the same way they use the term far left and things like that. But maybe you can tell us, let's go back a little bit further. How did you decode Pizzagate from the beginning, from the WikiLeaks debacle?

Liz Crokin (13:05)

Okay, so what happened is, so in 2016, like, we were talking earlier how WikiLeaks released a bunch of emails exposing the Democrats, right? And before October, I believe they started releasing the DNC emails. And those weren't isolations like, those emails exposed corruption, but it was things like Donna Brazile giving Hillary Clinton a campaign question, you know, before a debate or a town hall. Fast forward to October, and that's when we got the October surprise from WikiLeaks, which was run by Julian Assange. And he released the Podesta emails. And most of the damning emails proving that these people are involved in the rape, torture, and trafficking of children were in the Podesta emails. So when this, when these emails started coming out in 2016, I was still working for the mainstream media. I was working for multiple publications, including the New York observer and Town Hall. I had been covering the election for these outlets. And when the emails came out, I started reading them immediately. So I was reading them and then researching these emails in real time as they were coming out, and I started noticing that there were a ton of emails that use the word pizza and other food items in a context that clearly did not apply to food. Now, at the time in 2016, when I first started researching Pizzagate, and again, it was immediately after the Podesta emails came out, I found evidence online actually proving that Pizzagate is a known pedophile code word in pedophile circles. And there actually was. It was actually defined as a pedophile code word by the Urban Dictionary, and it was still up and active when the Podesta emails came out in 2016. But here's what gets interesting. Interesting. So I'd be researching the badass Emails and researching. Like, you know, is. Is pizza pedophile coward? Like, you know, what's the definition, you know, the street definition or slang definitions of these words? And I would see, you know, the Urban Dictionary or other sites pop up explaining that it's a pedophile code word. And then I would check back a few hours later the next day, and it'd be gone. It'd be gone. And so I watched in real time, you guys, how they would scrub evidence that pizza's a pedophile coal word and other things that just.

Show Host 1 (15:24)

And were you. You weren't like, were you broadcasting at the time about this or you were keeping this to yourself as you were doing the research? So they were seeing somebody logging onto the website and checking this stuff out, and then they were removing it.

Liz Crokin (15:36)

Yeah. So I was. I don't know if I was doing my YouTube videos yet, but I was tweeting and I was writing for those publications, but I actually was tweeting in real time a lot of the things I was finding.

Show Host 1 (15:51)

Wow. And they were starting to. And they were starting to just scrub it. Who did you find out who was behind the Urban Dictionary? Like who. Who funded it, run ran it in your research?

Liz Crokin (16:00)

Well, that. Specifically that getting scrubbed. And by the way, I got a screenshot of it that I. That I still have in one of my substack articles. But so I managed to get screenshots of a lot of the stuff they were trying to scrub. But what we learned from the. The Epstein files that were released two Fridays ago is that Jeffrey Epstein was working with an agency, and he was paying an agency to remove stuff from the Internet and scrub stuff from the Internet and also the Internet with positive articles about him. So this is like, this is not a secret. This is a known thing that they do. And I do believe that some of the things that got scrubbed, it'd be right after I tweeted about it. Like, there's. I'll give you another example. There was an obituary and some other stories, including in some mainstream media, about how John Podesta's mother had adopted. I believe it was 25 children. And that's just weird. Like, who, What. Who adopts 25 children? What's going on here? And, you know, with all the red flags with John Podesta's emails and the pedophile codes in his emails. And so I tweeted about that, and next thing I know, like, those sites are scrubs. And so I watched this stuff happen in real time. And then fast forward again to two Fridays ago, we get it confirmed that Jeffrey Epstein was doing that. So if he was doing it, of course his pals and associates were too. This is one of the techniques that they used to hide the truth from the public and to make it. To make people like me appear to be less believable. Because here's the thing. If they hadn't scrubbed evidence that pizza is a pedophile code word in 2016 from the Internet, then people would have gone on the Internet on their own and researched it, and it would have popped up and they would have said, hey, maybe Liz Crokin isn't so crazy. Instead, they would Google it and they would get no evidence of it.

Show Host 2 (17:50)

It's the incuriosity just floors me. And I think I saw this, you know, during COVID Like, there are some contraindications of taking this vaccine. Is the media interested? Not at all.

Liz Crokin (18:02)

Nope.

Show Host 2 (18:03)

Don't want to look there. This. This indicative of, hey, these are some concerning things. We're journalists. Don't we follow this? And the mainstream media is like, no, we actually don't. We don't do that. So what. I mean, how far did you have to go back to see that these code words were indicative of something? So this is not something that, you know, these nefarious circles made up. They were perpetuating it. I guess people who see this in Epstein think that they had just made.

Liz Crokin (18:32)

It up, but they.

Show Host 2 (18:32)

That's not true. How far back does it go?

Liz Crokin (18:35)

I think the Urban Dictionary entry is from 2010, but it's been used before then. Excuse me. So they've been using pizza as a pedophile word for a very long time, for several years. I think it goes back way beyond 2010. And it's my opinion that they chose the word pizza because pizza is something that children love. Pizza restaurants are where kids go to have birthday parties. You know, Chuck E. Cheese is like a pizza franchise where, you know, dedicated to kids. And so I think that that's why they chose pizza. I mean, I don't know who chose that. That word. And to some pedophiles, it has different meaning. To some, it's. It's child porn. To others, it's just. Just kids. But it is definitely a pedophile code word. And so what happened in. So what happened after 2016 is I was able to go through all these emails and find that, you know, Podesta and his pals were using pizza in a context that does not apply to food. So I'll give you an example. You know, Tony Podesta had one email where he emailed John and he said I'm gonna get pizza for an hour. And it's how do you get pizza for an hour? Right, you can get a service for an hour, you can get a child sex sleep for an hour. You can't get pizza for an hour. It makes no sense. Right? And then some people love to say, oh, it's drugs. Well, how do you get drugs for an hour? You know, like if you're gonna get cocaine, like you can't rent a consumable. Yeah. You know, so that doesn't make sense either. And so, and then, and then there, you know, there was other emails where it would be, there's one email where they talked about go going to a pizza party, an adult pizza party, but there was a bunch of adults going to the adult pizza party but they only had one slice and they need to know how many adults were going to be attending. So they knew how to thinly to slice it. And then, you know, and then in between these emails you would see emails, for example, Tony Podesta, like I'm still, last night was fun. I'm still in the torture chamber. And then, and then you look at other emails, they're not even talking about pizza, but they're talking about going to pool parties, adult pool parties, and having children there as entertainment. And then another red flag that is an indicator that these people are trafficking these kids is they list their ages. And so we see that in the Podesta emails as well, where there was one email in particular that was sent by Tamara Lozado, she was Hillary Clinton's chief of staff when she was a senator. And she sent an email to, I believe John Podesta saying that she would be providing transportation for the children. And she listed their three names with their ages for the entertainment for a pool party. Well, so I would read an email like that and it's like, okay, this is weird kids entertainment pool party. The age is listed and that's what traffickers do. They will list the ages because the clients, the customers, they want, they have preferences. So they want to know the ages of the children because they're, they're purchasing them. Right? And we saw that in the Epstein files as well with the new emails that were released two Fridays ago. So then, so I'm looking at this email written by Tamara Lozado, she works for Hillary Clinton, she's emailing John Podesta. Then I start looking into her and I find out that she has a password protected website called Evie's Blog where people can see infants, quote, raw and uncut, and there's all these pictures of children. And then on the right side of the website, there was all these tabs that were acronyms or they were just porn words. So they were the kind of words that you would see, you know, on a, on a, on a porn website or you would see on a. Just a blatant, you know, child porn website. Like, Like, I remember one of them was Baby Ambien and like just all kinds of crazy, twisted stuff. And I have screenshots of all that stuff too, and document that stuff. So when you take the pedophile, the known pedophile code words and the emails, and then the other emails, like children's entertainment, they're listing the children's names. And then you find out that this woman that's emailing about the children for entertainment or runs a website that literally has all the markers and all the hallmarks of a child porn site, then you start to see the picture and becomes very clear that these people are involved in trafficking children.

Show Host 1 (22:54)

So Podesta, Hillary Clinton, I mean, I keep hearing from my sources, I mean, just how Hillary Clinton is all tied into this and she seems to have skirted a lot of this by now. And we're going to hear from her testimony, maybe, or maybe she'll plead the Fifth, I don't know. With Bill Clinton at the end of.

Show Host 2 (23:11)

The month here, my expectations are low for them to disclose. I mean, how easy is it to just say nothing to Congress? People do it all the time.

Liz Crokin (23:20)

Yeah, well, I mean, well, as of right now, she's acting like she wants cameras in there and full transparency and just bizarre. And that she's going to talk, but, you know, I mean, have they ever told the truth about anything? No. So I doubt it. But it'll be interesting. We'll see.

Show Host 1 (23:35)

So when you look at Podesta. Sorry, go ahead.

Audience Member / Guest Caller (23:38)

Sorry. Can I chime in? Because I don't want to interrupt too much, but I'm trying to wrap my head around this because this is like, at the time this was going on, I wasn't in journalism at all. I wasn't involved with redacted. I was just a normal person working a normal job, I guess. But why is it. What I remember Pizzagate being is that there was a particular pizza place that the Clintons owned and there was a child sex trafficking ring in the basement. Why is that? I know it's probably just unpacking the propaganda, but why is that the only image I have of this, like none of this that you're saying now was ever. Like, I had no idea it had anything to do with the whole ring of people. And that's what it was. Like, how did they get it to. How did they get me to believe it was just a single pizza place? And I believe, like, Washington, D.C. that the Clintons had something to do with, like, how did we get there?

Show Host 1 (24:27)

And then they could label you a conspiracy theorist because about that one particular pizza place. And then that's how the mainstream media spun it. Like, oh, there's nothing to see here. See, this is crazy, right? I mean, yeah, maybe you can unpack that. And then I want to get back to my Hillary Clinton question.

Liz Crokin (24:41)

Sure. So I'll. I'll explain that. Okay, so. So the pedestal emails came out. People like me read them, researched them, and put the pieces together, and it was very clear for me quickly. I mean, it took, like, a couple hours of research and maybe not even that to figure out these people are trafficking children. So what Pizzagate always was. The definition of Pizzagate is that in 2016, WikiLeaks released the Podesta emails, and they were littered with known pedophile code words such as pizza and other code words. And it proved that John Podesta, Hillary Clinton, and their associates are involved in the rape, torture, and trafficking of children. That's it. That is the true definition of pizza. And I've been saying this for 10 years. So what the media had to do, the corrupt, compromise media had to do, because this story did start going viral in 2016 on social media. What the media had to do is they had to create a psyop to distract from what the true definition of Pizzagate was. So that's when they weaponized the mainstream media from every network from msnbc, cnn, Fox News, all the print publications, and they came up with a new definition of Pizzagate. And their new definition of Pizzagate is people like Liz Crokin are saying that Hillary Clinton is trafficking children in the basement of a pizza shop in D.C. and that's Pizzagate. And that was never true. That is never what Pizzagate was about.

Show Host 1 (26:21)

Where did that story even come from? Was it totally manufactured?

Liz Crokin (26:25)

You know, the entire media just started going with it at the same time. And again, like, everyone. Every network from Fox News, like Daily Wire, cnn, because they understood that if people understood the simple and real explanation of Pizzagate, which is the pedestal emails prove that they're trafficking kids because they're using known pedophile code words, that's it. They knew that if that Definition got out to the masses, then they would probably figure it out. So they had to create a diversion, a new definition of it to make it sound so ridiculous. Like, oh, yeah, Hillary Clinton's just sitting in a basement of a pizza shop trafficking kids.

Show Host 2 (27:06)

Right.

Liz Crokin (27:07)

So people wouldn't believe it. And then they took it a step further. You had people like Chris Cuomo go on CNN and say, hey, just so everybody knows, you know, the Podesta emails came out via WikiLeaks. And just so you know, it's illegal for you guys to read these emails. We can read them and we will report, you know, anything important that's in them, but you can't. So we had to air and intimidate people from reading these emails because they understood that these emails were so damning and they can't be explained off. The all the code words, all the pizza used in a context that doesn't apply to food cannot be explained off. So they had to scare people into thinking that they might get arrested if they read the pedestal emails, which is a complete and total lie. So they created a diversion. They created this I up. They redefined Pizzagate into something it wasn't making it sound ridiculous, making people think they're going to get arrest if they read the Podesta emails. And that's how they were able to cover it up for so long.

Show Host 2 (28:06)

So if I may just circle back to something. You said that these are known code words. The FBI has known this for a long time. And that's not crazy. I mean, of course they need to, you know, sort of decode code words for bad guys. That's what they're supposed to be doing. So you're saying this has been known for a long time, and that's shocking to me.

Liz Crokin (28:27)

Yeah. So the code words have been known to the FBI and the DOJ for a very long time. And there's also symbols as well. There's actually also been multiple cases where law enforcement was able to arrest child sex predators because they use pizza as a pedophile code word. I think in 2017, there was a sexual predator named Steven Solomon who was arrested. Fast forward to, I believe it was 2024. There was a guy in College Station, Texas that was attempting to prey on children and. Or had a child porn. And he. They were able to bust him because he was using pizza as a pedophile called. And the FBI, by the way, was involved in that case. And they actually documented on an FBI affidavit that he was using pizza's a pedophile Code word. And the agent said that he had been trained and taught that pizza is a pedophile code word. That, I mean, you can go online right now. That is open source information. So it has been recognized as a pedophile code word by law enforcement for many years. And I'll take it one step further. Meta is currently in a lawsuit because pedophiles were, guess what? Using pizza or the pizza emoji as pedophile code words to procure children on Instagram and, or Facebook and to prey on children or exchange child porn. And that lawsuit is currently going on right now.

Show Host 2 (29:57)

So it's a, it's a narrative substitution. It's like, there's something to see here. But let's give you this. And then because you think that sounds so crazy, you know, you don't see what's true behind there, which is, there's, there's a ton of facts there that's, that's worth looking into. That's shock. I mean, not shocking, but.

Liz Crokin (30:16)

And then, and then the next thing that they did is then they, they, they used a patsy to shoot up. So the pizza parlor in dc, Comet Ping Pong in question, that guy that runs it, in my opinion, he's totally a pedophile. His entire Instagram page was just littered with not even pedophile code words, like known pedophile slang. For example, he would write things like chicken lover with pictures of, you know, grown men with infants or toddlers. Chicken lovers, again, not a pedophile cohort. That's a known pedophile slang that means a gay man that is sexually attracted to a child. He had photos of children, you know, like taped or tied to tables. Like he was sexualizing children all over his Instagram page. You know, at his pizza shop, which was Comet Ping Pong, he had bands play at his pizza shop that would promote pedophilia. Just like Chrissy Teigen. They'd be on stage, like, talking about raping kids, talking about sacrificing kids, laughing about it. I could go on and on and on. And so, so what happened is that is an aspect of the story, but it's not like the true definition of what Pizzagate is or the primary definition of it. Right, right. So, but, but I will say that Comet Ping Pong did become the center of Pizzagate because of the redefining of Pizzagate, but also because there was so much evidence that there's pedophilia and sex trafficking tied to this restaurant online. I mean, it was just so blatant, just like that Actually probably worse than the Podesta emails. So what happened next is they used a pat to shoot up Comet ping pong and they claim that this guy, you know, believed Pizzagate was real and then got violent and walked into common ping pong and decided to shoot it up. And guess what? He didn't shoot anyone. The only thing that was shot was the server that allegedly had child porn on it by the way. And somehow the door was closed and the bullet managed to go through the office door into the server, destroying the server. Right, and that's it. And then fast forward to I believe a year and a half ago the patsy that was used to shoot up Comet ping pong to make people like me seem crazy and violent. You better not believe Pizzagate because you know, this, this is what it leads to. This is the violence it leads to. So the patsy that shot up Pizzagate destroying the alleged child porn on the server just happens to be killed by cops a year and a half ago in a routine traffic stop. So you know, riddle me that, right?

Show Host 1 (32:58)

Cover up your patsy, right? This is how it works. Whether it's some sort of MK Ultra mind controlled guy that they pull out of the woodwork to go and shoot up a server and to perpetuate this story. And then Liz Crokin is nuts, right, because, because this whole story was about a pizza shop, not about the larger email scandal and the connections to the Clintons and all of that. So I just want to go back to Hillary Clinton here and the Podesta connection here and her assistant emailing, arranging with this, you know, this, this porn website and where people could log in, I guess, and make their selections. I mean, how does this connect to Hillary Clinton? I mean, do you, have you seen direct evidence where direct emails back and forth. She, there's a paper trail where she knows that this is happening.

Liz Crokin (33:44)

Well I, I, we don't even need to look at the emails to prove that she knows this is happening. We can go as far back as to when she was Secretary of State. And actually the mainstream media, specifically Chuck Todd reported about how there was pedophilia at the State Department when she was running it.

Show Host 1 (34:04)

Right.

Liz Crokin (34:04)

And that she actively covered it up. So you know, we don't even have to look at the DNC for those emails to know that she has covered up pedophilia and sex trafficking in the past. But what I do know is that the Clinton foundation is involved in child sex trafficking. Anthony Wieners laptop has evidence on it that proves that Hillary Clinton is directly involved in child Sex trafficking and crimes against children. And when I say evidence, videos and photos, this was something that the NYPD investigated in 2016. This is something I covered myself in 2016. I had sources I talked to that knew what these NYPD detectives saw. And there was evidence proving that Hillary Clinton was actively committing crimes against children on this laptop. And not just her many for associates, including Uma Abedin. Anthony Weiner kept all this evidence and allegedly he filed it in a folder called life insurance. And that. So all that case that the NYPD wanted to act on was then taken over by James Comey and the FBI. And to this day, nothing has come of it. However, in 2018, the Inspector General's report on that case documented how the evidence on the Anthony Weiner laptop did prove that both Hillary Clinton and her foundation were involved in crimes against children. And you guys can go online today and pull up the IG report and say that on page 297, it says just that. So there's a ton of different examples of how Hillary Clinton is involved with child sex trafficking. And I could go on and on and talk about, you know, how her and Bill and Bill, you know, managed to free Laura Silsbee, who was arrested for traffic attempting to traffic 33 children out of Haiti. You know, we can talk about the State Department, what they did with cps. I mean, there's so much evidence. I've written a whole article just on the Clintons alone and their ties to sex trafficking. But we have an official Inspector's General report that is a government document that, that years ago cited that, that she indeed is involved in crimes against children and so is the Clinton Foundation. And what the Clinton foundation really was, was just a front for child sex trafficking. And so we know that she's involved with child sex trafficking. We know the Clinton foundation is used as a front for child sex trafficking. So it should be no surprise that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein both have said on the record that they were involved in the Clinton Foundation. They were co founders of the Clinton foundation, and they were exchanging money between themselves and the Clinton Foundation. So Pizzagate is not just Hillary Clinton and John Podesta. It's also Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and all their co conspirators and clients.

Show Host 2 (37:05)

Right.

Liz Crokin (37:05)

And has been, by the way.

Show Host 2 (37:07)

And a lot of this was allowed to run rampant. I've seen some partisan Instagram reels where they're like, Obama's not in the Epstein, so he's in the clear. Yay, we can keep loving him. He's so great. His lead counsel is offering Jeffrey Epstein emails with boss so we can infer something. And also the fact that his Justice Department allowed him to run rampant for eight full years. That's eight years of victims. And so we can't make a direct connection between Obama. Maybe you can, but as far as I. You can do it. Okay.

Liz Crokin (37:42)

Yeah, go. Oh, I think this came. I, I think this email came out from WikiLeaks, from the global intelligence files. But there was one email that talked about how Barack Obama threw a private party in the White House using the taxpayers dollar and they shipped $65,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs from Chicago using clandestine channels. Okay, so again, like, if it really was just pizza and hot dogs, like, how big is the White House? Like, what pizza would cost $65,000. What hot dogs would cost $65,000. Like, when you, when you go to the White A ball at the White House, there's going to be maybe a couple hundred people there if that, like, you know, a few hundred hot dogs should Never amount to $65,000 and either should pizza. So, you know, now knowing that pizza is a confirmed pedophile code word and so is hot dogs, what was that transaction really about? Because I promise it wasn't about pizza and hot dogs. In terms of the food.

Show Host 2 (38:52)

And then in the con, if this is conjecture, I'm just trying to connect dots, but like, so then it would make sense that Obama's personal chef might know something about food. Who dies mysteriously. That's, that's just a question. I'm just put. I have. No, it's just a valid question.

Liz Crokin (39:11)

Oh, so my thoughts on that is that what we learned from the Epstein files, It's, they're strongly implying in these files that. That they're cannibals, that, that they're eating children. There's lots of references to them, you know, not just, you know, not just references that suggest that they're raping children, but also references that suggest that they're, they're cannibals and they're eating, by the way, jerky.

Show Host 1 (39:36)

The term jerky.

Liz Crokin (39:37)

Right, Jerky. Like a lot of people believe that means human skin. But, you know, we start off this episode talking about Chrissy Teigen. She has gone on the record and openly talked about how she wants to eat human meat. There are a lot of dates. Don't even hide it. Like, some of them brag about how they're cannibals or, I mean, there was a whole docu series that came out about Armie Hammer. And he, he openly talked to people about how he was a cannibal. He would, he would date girls and, like, brag about how, like, he likes to eat human meat. He actually asked one of his girlfriends if, if she would remove a rib so he could eat it. And he said that he was actually looking for a surgeon that would do it. Some of them, like, don't even hide it.

Show Host 1 (40:20)

But yeah, Chrissy Teigen's on camera asking John, asking John, like, don't you. Wouldn't you. If you had, like, pieces of meat, of human meat, wouldn't you just try pieces of it? Wouldn't you like that? And he's, he's like, no, I mean.

Liz Crokin (40:32)

I don't know where he said it multiple times. So. So now that we know that these. And, and then also we were, we forgot to talk about how in the podestic emails, we learned that they're spirit cooking. And spirit cooking is a, as a satanic ritual that they engage in where they, they mix blood, breast milk, and urine. I mean, it's absolutely disgusting. There's a satanic witch named Marina Abramovic that's, there's videos and photographs of her with all kinds of different celebrities from Jay Z to Will Ferrell. And in the emails, we learned that John Podesta and friends are involved in spirit cooking dinners because Marina emailed them about going to her spirit cooking dinner. So when you look up Marina Abramovic and spirit cooking, you see them at these satanic ritualistic dinners where they're literally depicting cannibalism. And, you know, they make it seem like it's. They're not really eating human meat. But I don't buy that. I think that those pictures that we see online of them eating a cake that looks like a human, it probably has some kind of human meat in it because we know that they're animals. And we got way more evidence of that in the, in the Epstein files that were just released. So what I have, Marissa, whatever, is that a lot of these elite chefs die in very suspicious circumstances. Well, I'm confident that Barack Obama is involved in child sex trafficking, probably cannibalism as well. And his chef died in a totally suspicious circumstance. And then we had Anthony Bourdain dying. Suspicious circumstances. I believe there was another chef for Bill Clinton that died in suspicious circumstances. And so if you think about it kind of makes sense if these chefs are being asked or maybe they're being forced to cook human meat. And if they are running the risk of exposing them, then of Course they're going to get rid of them. That's what they do. I mean, there's dozens of reporters that have tried to expose this who have been murdered. The fact that I'm still here is actually, you know, a miracle. And by the way, they've tried.

Show Host 1 (42:39)

I mean, I was going to ask you.

Show Host 2 (42:41)

Yeah.

Show Host 1 (42:41)

What sort of threats have you had? And from where did they come?

Liz Crokin (42:45)

I. Well, in 2016, the first crazy thing that they did to me was they, they poisoned my dog. But I believe that they broke into my house and, and they, and I have evidence to support that and reason to believe that, but they broke into my house and they poisoned food in my fridge. And it was only. The only food I had, my fridge, which was chicken. What they didn't realize is that the chicken wasn't for me, it was for my dog. So my dog ate it. And then, you know, shortly after that went to anaphylactic shock and almost died. I was able to get him to the animal hospital quickly enough to save his life. And then a few months later, I'm meeting with a few producers that claim that they're interested in doing a pizza gay documentary with me. This was in 2017. And I meet with them in California and Santa Monica. We're having lunch and we were very obviously followed by like, obviously like they were letting us know that we were being followed. There was three guys like casing us when we were eating lunch. You know, I felt that they were trying to intimidate us. Anyways, long story short, that night I got baited to go to this restaurant for dinner from someone who I believe was my friend. Next thing I know, I'm pretty sure I was drugged and I was being roughed up by cops and thrown in a cop car and I'm arrested at a five star restaurant. And honestly, I was fine. Like, and, and I mean, and so, and the next thing I know, I'm in a jail cell and these cops come in and they basically are telling me, you know, why you're really here. And I just met with these people to do the documentary. So, you know, and so I know that those were just rogue cops and that they were telling me, you know, why you're really here. And they basically were saying like, don't do the document on Pizzagate. Shut up. You know, wow. And after that I just fled the country, you know, and I had a. By the way, I had a liberal lawyer at the time who didn't even necessarily believe Pizzagate was real and like, got all the police records Everything from that case. And he's like, I've never. Like, I was literally walking out of the restaurant into an Uber. And I'm saying I'm just arrested. Like, it made no sense. And even my lawyer was like, I've never heard of anything like this. This makes no sense. He's like, I definitely think that you were targeted. And I was. And so I had to leave the country. And so a lot of the ways that they've messed with me, though, is they send these agents into my life to just to target me, to harass me. They try to convince me to stop covering Pizzagate. They just try to disrupt my life. They've had people move, dange. Very dangerous people move in next door to me, above me, and they will just terrorize me. Like, knock on my door in the middle of the night, break out, break into my place or break into my rooftop, keep me up all night. I had a sex trafficking ring moving next door to me. The police wouldn't do anything, so I had to flee that apartment. I mean, it's just literally nonstop terrorism and targeted harassment, which has made my life an absolute, like, living nightmare for 10 years now. Hacking my account, constantly shutting down all my businesses, all my online stores. You know, I was banned from every social media platform. I was fired from multiple jobs. I mean, anything that they can do to disrupt my life will do it. They've. They've paid off lawyers that work for me. They've paid off doctors. I mean, they've paid off so many different people to sabotage anything that I'm involved in or working at.

Show Host 2 (45:58)

That's a crazy thing that you're saying, because if they're doing this, that's within the pale. And. But now there's no point in doing this to you now that it's out there and provable. You can't put this horse back in the barn. So what are they going to do?

Show Host 1 (46:16)

Well, but I mean, also the money is. I mean, because you went after. It's not just the sex trafficking piece of this. And like their pleasure, it's very, very lucrative as we've covered here on the show. Right. I mean, billions of dollars. So what you're going after is not just the pleasure side of it. It's their. It's their money. And that's still very much in jeopardy, isn't it?

Liz Crokin (46:36)

Absolutely. I mean, well, and here's the thing. If you understand how sex trafficking works, sex traffickers make so much more money than drug traffickers and drug dealers. And the reason why is because you can use a child or, you know, or it's. Adults are sex trafficked too, by the way. So maybe it's a child or a woman or maybe it's a grown ad. That person can be trafficked, like several times a day and they can reuse them over and over again. Whereas if you're selling, you know, weed or cocaine or whatever it is, like, you can't reuse it over and over and over again. So they make. They make way more money off of sex trafficking than they do with drug trafficking and arms trafficking and other kinds of trafficking. And honestly, if I would have to quantify how much money was used to try to silence me or has been used actually to silence an attempt to silence me and shut me down, I would say it's easily been in the tens of millions of dollars. Easily, Easily.

Show Host 1 (47:35)

Maybe we can unpack now the Epstein files piece of this, because two Fridays ago, when these files started coming out, I mean, was validation of much of, of course, what you've been reporting over the years. And you're vilified for it, of course. But what were some of the immediate pieces that you saw in the Epstein files that you said, aha, here's the connection I've been looking for?

Liz Crokin (47:59)

Well, I mean, number one, I would say it would be the use of the word pizza. You know, just like in the Podesta emails, they're using pizza in a context that clearly does not apply to food. And a lot of those emails, they're making references or like that are sexual. So you know that not only are they not talking about food, they're talking about something that's sexual. And when I read those emails, I realized, like, these emails are more damning, actually, than the pedestal emails because there's so much more and there's so many more references than Pete to pizza and those emails than there are in the Podesta emails. What I also learned is that they use other food words, some food words that I have never seen before, by the way. But what I believe happened in 2016 is when people like me start talking about how pizza is a pedophile code word, I believe that they started using new food code words as pedophile code words. And so I think some of these code words that were seen that came later from the emails that were being like, maybe 2018, 2017, 2019 are new code words. Because at that point in time, there were too many, you know, pesky reporters like me saying pizza spit about cold word. But so, you know, obviously the pizza stuff, but, you know, in some of those emails, they make it clear that they're involved in killing people, murdering people, raping people, trafficking people. There's one email that talks about, like, sacrificing people and babies. I mean, it's just the most horrific stuff you've ever read. And a lot of those emails, they talk about horrific things they're doing not in code, so. And they also talk about very young children. You know, some of these children were only nine years old. Yeah, so. So, yeah.

Show Host 2 (49:50)

Or even less. I mean, one of the more disturbing bits for me is the Mark Tramo emails, the UCLA neurologist who was advising on how to get babies to suck harder on pacifiers. And UCLA has him still teaching college students as stood by him.

Liz Crokin (50:10)

I heard that they're not gonna renew.

Show Host 2 (50:11)

His contracts, but they did not fire him. Like, he's still there the rest of the semester, you know, around children.

Show Host 1 (50:20)

It's a right to work state. Right. In California. So it's almost impossible to fire anybody in that state. Right. Even if they're pedophiles and they're telling, oh, it's awful.

Show Host 2 (50:29)

Yeah. It's validating my disdain for academia and choice to keep my children away from it.

Liz Crokin (50:38)

It's disgusting.

Show Host 1 (50:39)

When you think about the smoke, I mean, there's a lot of smoke in these emails where. When you're looking at these 3 million. And of course, Congressman Massey, who's been on the show, and Ro Khanna, they're actively working on trying to get these names unredacted, which they did yesterday. Some of them, but not all of them. Where do you think there's fire to be seen that we haven't yet seen in these emails? Some dots that are pieces that you've been connecting that heretofore we haven't seen yet in your research?

Liz Crokin (51:09)

Well, I mean, if you want, I'm happy to name names because people have the names. Well, so I don't know if you saw this, but it came out today that they redacted Les Wexner's name as a co conspirator. Now, that's not a surprise. It's not a shock because we. We know that he was in very deep with Epstein. Epstein was controlling all his money, and he ran L Brands and Victoria's Secret, and Jeffrey Epstein was involved in that, and he was using Victoria's Secret as a front to traffic children and young women. But there are other names. There are a lot of names that Virginia Giuffre has exposed, and a lot of those names actually have come out via Court records over the years. And she repeated some of those names in her book, nobody's Girl, which came out last year. So another name that she exposed, I'll give you two right now. One was former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. And she actually named him in a court record years ago. And then in her book, she didn't name him. But if you put the pieces together, it's very obvious she's talking about him because she says that he's a head of state, you know, of a foreign country. And the way that she talked about him, the deposition, is very similar to the way that she talks about him in the book. And she did say she didn't name him in her book because she believed it was too dangerous and that her life would be a danger if she did name him in the book. And sure enough, she ended up dying a suspicious death, but she exposed him. And then another name that I've talked about a lot would be the Hyatt Hotels chairman, Tom Pritzker. Now, Tom Pritzker, he is the cousin of Governor J.B. pritzker in Eleanor the Prince. The Pritzker family is big on the transgenderism.

Show Host 2 (52:54)

Jennifer Bielek is someone who's been going after the Pritzkers for years, and she is an amazing journalist. And talking about how, like, humanistic and transhumanistic perversion is their thing. Absolutely.

Liz Crokin (53:08)

Exactly. Well, that's a whole nother tangent to the. The Pizzagate saga. Right. And what we learned, I actually just got confirmed from the. From the Epstein files, is that, you know, Epstein was. The trafficking is just one piece of the puzzle. Epstein was involved in all different kinds of crazy stuff. He was involved with mit, he was involved in scientists. He was involved with the. The pandemic, or Plan Demic, whatever you want to call it. He was involved in crazy, kind of Dr. Mengli. Kind of human experiments, DNA experiments, breeding. I believe that he wanted to have a baby breeding farm at Zora Ranch. I believe he accomplished it. I believe he. He probably has a bunch of children already. And they also were big on the transgenderism and pushing the transgender agenda. Well, why are they big on pushing the transgender agenda? Well, these people are Satanists. They worship Satan. Epstein had a bank account that he named bail. Well, why would you do that? Because he worships bail. Now, what is transgenderism? Well, when. When you have someone that's a boy pretending to be a girl or vice versa, then you're promoting. The Baphomet agenda is like half boy, half girl. And that's. That's what they believe, and that's what they worship. They worship these creepy gods that are, like, half female and half male. So it's no surprise that these Satanists that rape children are pushing. Pushing the transgender agenda. And the Pritzker family has used so much of their money to push the transgender agenda. But getting back to Tom Pritzker, again, the cousin of Governor J.B. pritzker. He is the chairman of the Hyatt hotels, and he was listed in Epstein's black book as numero uno. And Virginia Giuffre accused him of being one of his clients slash co conspirators, and said that he was one of the men that raped her. And we have more evidence of him being close with Epstein from the emails that were released two Fridays ago. So that's another name that's not really talked about a lot. But, you know, I believe that he wasn't just a co conspirator. I believe he was labeled numero uno because he was his numero uno, either client or co conspirator, or maybe both.

Show Host 1 (55:22)

Oh, I guess, finally, Liz, you saw also that the revelations you were talking about Zorro Ranch and, like, the baby farming, basically, and you saw that as the FBI was about to start their investigation, he had ordered 55 gallons of sulfuric acid, which the only reason, I mean, I don't know why else you would use sulfuric acid other than to dissolve bones and to hide any kind of evidence. And there's people speculating about that, that he may have been using that to dissolve bodies at the Zorro Ranch or on the Epstein Island. What do you think that was involved used for?

Liz Crokin (55:57)

Yeah, of course they were killing people. Of course they were killing victims. They openly talked about it in their emails, how they were killing victims, people and torturing people as well. So that. That's another component. It wasn't just raping children. They also love torturing these kids, and they get off on that. So I do believe that acid was used to. To, you know, get rid of the remains of a lot of their victims. What we also now know for a fact is there was an underground facility at Zora Ranch and on the island. And when Epstein got wind that the FBI was investigating him back, I believe it was in 2019 or maybe 2018. He ordered also, in addition to the sulfuric acid, a ton of cement, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cement and a cement truck. And now we know for a fact, because the files also confirm that there were underground tunnels at the island. So I believe that he was filling up the tunnels to cover the evidence, which probably includes the remains of some of the victims. And guess what? That's the same exact thing they did with the McMartin Preschool. Do you remember the McMartin Preschool scandal? No.

Show Host 1 (57:04)

No, I don't.

Liz Crokin (57:05)

So this was happening in California and one of the beach towns, and this was labeled. This was a really famous case where there was, like a preschool where a bunch of these, you know, creepy people were running this preschool. And a bunch of the children came out and they said that they were being trafficked underneath the preschool and they were being trafficked on in a tunnel underneath the preschool to a church where local politicians and celebrities and elites were raping them and also committing satanic rituals on them and satanic ritualistic abuse. And they weren't able to convict the people running the preschool because they couldn't. One of the reasons why they weren't able to convict them because they couldn't find evidence of the tunnels or evidence of the satanic rituals. Well, what they ended up doing is covering up the tunnels, and all the evidence was cement. And then years later, I believe it was in 2018 or 2019, the FBI released and declassified a bunch of records proving that there were tunnels underneath the McMartin Preschool and that they did find evidence of satanic rituals. So they found, like, pentagrams and animal bones. And the kids said that they were sacrificing animals and. And stuff like that. So it's the same thing that they did to cover up the McMartin preschool. Epstein did it on or attempted to do it on his island.

Show Host 2 (58:29)

If I can just ask one more question. I'm sorry, because I'm trying to make this connection of, like, what was his grand plan, what was his dream? So to be making these babies and breeding sex slaves, basically. And then in the other context, it's, let's create a business around sex tourism where. And he was asking for advice. How do we get around local legislation so that someone can just go on a wild sex vacation and have full access to sex slaves? Can we put those together? That the idea was we'd have sex tourism where you go somewhere and have full access to fully bred sex slaves. Is that. Can we make that leap?

Liz Crokin (59:15)

Yeah, I say we can. And I would also throw in there what was going. Maxwell involved in. She was involved in Terramar. And like, Terramar was supposed to be, you know, that they owned and controlled the oceans. And they were like. It was supposed to be like some new, you know, it's not Continent because it was the ocean. But like, they. They believe that they were citizens of, like, this new land or this new world that they were trying to create, and it was called Terramar. And I believe that they. They wanted to get rid of, of as many of the good people in the world as they could so they could turn this planet into just their playground to rape, torture, and traffic children. And we also know that, you know, Epstein believed him and his friends were superior, that they had superior genes, they were superior race. They openly talked about that as well in their emails. And so I think part of the reason why he wanted to have a baby breeding farm is because he believed that he and his friend's DNA was better. And so. And this planet should just be ruled and filled with people that are like him. So that's one of the reasons why he wanted to have babies. I mean, could you imagine if they were able to succeed in doing this? You know, and I'm.

Show Host 2 (60:20)

Well, it seems like they got pretty close.

Show Host 1 (60:23)

Yeah. And how many descendants?

Show Host 2 (60:25)

We don't know where it stands now because this dream does not die with Epstein, clearly.

Liz Crokin (60:33)

No, and honestly, I, like, I. This is such a pivotal point in history, not just for Americans, for mankind, honestly, for humanity. Because now the world is learning that we truly are controlled and enslaved by demons who rape, torture, and traffic children and also commit satanic rituals on them and sacrifice them. So we are slaves. We are controlled by them. So if these people are not eliminated, if they are not taken care of, if they. If they do not get the justice that they deserve, I don't see how we can ever progress as a human race, as a society. If we can't do the most basic thing, which is protect the innocent children and animals, then we're screwed. And so it's a very pivotal point. And I think that as many people as possible, we just all need to band together and demand justice. This, because we just. This is not sustainable. We. People are awake now. They know what's going on. And people are not going to tolerate seeing these people fly around in their jets, going to the super bowl, people like Jay Z, when. When they know what they're doing to children. So, yeah, something has to get, you know, the. Either Trump's administration, his DOJ military, they're going to have to take action, because if they don't, I do believe at some point good people are going to start taking justice in their own hands, and that's when it could get really ugly and it could turn into not just a civil war, a global war.

Show Host 1 (62:07)

Yeah. Because it is international. And of course, the New York Times would have you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was emblematic of a bygone era. Now that Jeffrey Epstein has gone, this massive sex trafficking interoperation around the globe, it's all over with now. It's just something from the past.

Liz Crokin (62:26)

Yeah.

Show Host 2 (62:28)

Absurd. It's ludicrous.

Liz Crokin (62:29)

Definitely. There's definitely still, you know, under Biden, there was like hundreds of thousand missing kids that he actively trafficked using our taxpayer. So it hasn't ended. But. But, you know, the good news is people finally know it's real. People are waking up in droves. And I truly have always believed that that needed to happen first before there's justice.

Show Host 2 (62:53)

Well, here we go. Well, thank you for standing in your truth. You are. You're a trailblazer.

Show Host 1 (63:00)

Yeah, well, we want to have you on because, I mean, really the OG and the person where all of this started with all of your great research on this. So, you know, in all of that you've been through and being fired and tortured and tracked and everything thrown into cop cars, finally we get these documents, which is validation. So thank you for your incredible work.

Liz Crokin (63:25)

Liz guys, and thank you for covering this and having me on. And I hope you stay on it. We all need to stay on until. Until these people are arrested. We can't let this one go.

Show Host 1 (63:34)

No, absolutely. 100%. We're not going anywhere. So we will be here. Liz, thank you so much. Great to have you on the show.

Liz Crokin (63:41)

Thank you so much.

Show Host 1 (63:42)

Thank you so much, Liz, and incredible journalism. So please follow Liz on social media and support her.

Show Host 2 (63:48)

That was work. Heavy.

Show Host 1 (63:49)

Very heavy.

Show Host 2 (63:51)

Incredibly upset.

Audience Member / Guest Caller (63:54)

I need multiple showers, I think.

Commercial Narrator (63:56)

Yeah.

Show Host 1 (63:56)

Yeah.

Audience Member / Guest Caller (63:57)

And I think the next time I actually. The next time I actually go get actual pizza, like, real, real pizza, I think I'm gonna have to live stream the entire thing to prove that you're eating real pizza. Just getting pizza.

Show Host 2 (64:07)

And these people, we need a new word for that dish. Can we come up with something else?

Show Host 1 (64:11)

Well, and when you watch the Oscars, you see all these people. You see, like, Jay Z at the Super Bowl. It's like, it's hard not to look at these people. You're like, you guys are all disgusting.

Liz Crokin (64:19)

Yeah.

Show Host 1 (64:19)

Ricky Gervais was right when he ripped all of you apart at the Golden Globes and called you all disgusting perverts. Like, those were his words. He's like, you're all perverts in this room. Like, he was absolutely right. He knew something.

Show Host 2 (64:29)

But we protect each other by knowing this truth.

Liz Crokin (64:32)

Right?

Show Host 2 (64:33)

So we gotta stick together at this point and say no more of this. No more.

Liz Crokin (64:37)

So.

Show Host 1 (64:38)

So yeah, we'll wrap things up in a second here on the show.

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Show Host 2 (68:10)

I don't give a shit about the. The halftime show culture war, but, yeah, I didn't want to talk about that, but I'm more upset than ever. But at the same time, again, we're committed to knowing the truth so that we can stop this happening.

Show Host 1 (68:23)

Yeah, absolutely. Our kids are the most important part of our entire world. If we can't protect them, we've completely lost the narrative here. So thank you guys so much for subscribing to the show, being a part of redacted every day. We'll be back tomorrow at 4pm Eastern Time. Have a great night, everyone.