Podcast Summary

Podcast: Redacted News
Episode: Pizzagate is MUCH WORSE than we thought, Epstein documents just changed everything
Host(s): Natali and Clayton Morris
Guest: Liz Crokin, Investigative Journalist
Date: February 12, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode features a deep dive into the origins and evolution of the "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory, the mainstream media's response, and its recent vindication in light of newly released Epstein documents. Hosts Natali and Clayton Morris interview Liz Crokin, the original journalist to publicize the Pizzagate theory, who discusses mounting evidence from the Epstein files that support her previous reporting. The conversation ranges from media manipulation and suppression to alleged connections among political elites, child sex trafficking networks, and ritual abuse.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Pizzagate Origins and the Media Psy-Op

• WikiLeaks Podesta Emails:
  • In 2016, WikiLeaks released John Podesta’s emails, containing frequent, unusual mentions of "pizza" (and other foods) in a context Crokin found suspect.
  • Liz Crokin: “It took a couple hours … to figure out these people are trafficking children. The emails are littered with known pedophile code words such as pizza.” (24:44)
• Pedophile Code Words:
  • "Pizza" and other food terms were used as code words in pedophile circles—a fact supported by past Urban Dictionary entries and FBI training documents.
  • Liz Crokin: "Pizza is something children love, that's why I think they chose that word. The FBI has known this for a long time." (18:35, 28:27)
• Scrubbing Evidence Online:
  • Crokin describes seeing definitions of “pizza” as code for pedophilia disappear from Urban Dictionary and other sources shortly after she reported them.
  • She links these scrubbing efforts to operations funded by Jeffrey Epstein, intended to cleanse his online reputation and that of his associates.
  • Liz Crokin: “I watched in real time how they would scrub evidence … and two Fridays ago we get it confirmed Epstein was doing that.” (16:00)

2. The Manufactured Narrative and Mainstream Deflection

• Media’s Redefinition of Pizzagate:
  • The mainstream press quickly dismissed Pizzagate by focusing on fictional claims about "child trafficking in the basement of a DC pizzeria," labeling anyone questioning the Podesta emails as insane or "conspiracy theorists."
  • Liz Crokin: "The media had to create a psy-op … They came up with a new definition of Pizzagate, saying people like Liz Crokin say Hillary Clinton is trafficking kids at a pizza shop." (26:21)
• Weaponizing the Narrative:
  • News networks and figures like Chris Cuomo claimed it was "illegal" for regular citizens to read the Podesta emails, compounding the climate of fear and misinformation.
  • Liz Crokin: "They had to scare people into thinking they might get arrested if they read the Podesta emails…" (27:07)

3. Suppression, Threats, and Consequences

• Targeting Whistleblowers:
  • Crokin recounts threats, harassment, job losses, being banned from social media, and even poisoning of her dog after reporting on Pizzagate (42:45).
  • Liz Crokin: "I've had a living nightmare for 10 years now... anything they can do to disrupt my life, they will do it.” (44:45)
• Powerful Pushback:
  • Highlights intimidation tactics, misuse of law enforcement, and the high financial stakes behind covering up trafficking.
  • "If I would have to quantify how much money was used to try to silence me...tens of millions of dollars. Easily." (46:36)

4. Connections to Political and Cultural Elites

• Hillary Clinton and Podesta:
  • Crokin alleges direct evidence of Clinton Foundation involvement in trafficking, referencing the Anthony Weiner laptop and Inspector General reports.
  • Liz Crokin: "We have an official Inspector's General report… that says she is indeed involved in crimes against children, and so is the Clinton Foundation." (34:04)
• Other Notable Figures:
  • Barack Obama: Cites $65,000 spent on “pizza and hot dogs” for a White House party, suggesting coded meaning, and connects this to broader cover-ups (37:42).
  • Chrissy Teigen, John Legend, and Comet Ping Pong: Details alleged connections to pedophilia code words and jokes, media feuds, and the scapegoating of a single restaurant to obscure the larger network.
• Jeffrey Epstein’s Broader Operations:
  • Details on child trafficking, ritual abuse, and possible cannibalism among associated elites; references spirit cooking and the involvement of other high-profile figures such as Les Wexner and Tom Pritzker (51:09).
  • Quote: “They were cannibals, they’re eating children. …They’re animals.” (39:11)

5. Epstein Documents: Recent Revelations

• New Validations:
  • Newly unsealed Epstein files show extensive references to “pizza” and other food code words, more damning than the original Podesta emails—confirming many of Crokin’s previous claims (47:59).
• Expanding Code Language:
  • Per Crokin, increased scrutiny led to the adoption of new food words as code post-2016.
• Details of Abuse and Cover-Ups:
  • Mentions of ritual sacrifice, canonical abuse, and more explicit explanations of child trafficking in the latest document release.
  • Evidence of industrial cleaning (sulfuric acid, cement) to destroy bodies and cover up crimes at Zorro Ranch and Epstein Island (55:57).

6. Weaponization of Law, Culture, and Narrative

• Legal and Law Enforcement Complicity:
  • Criticizes DOJ, FBI, and mainstream journalism for being complicit or failing to act.
• Transhumanism and Transgender Agenda:
  • Links support for these agendas among some elites (notably the Pritzkers) to greater underlying beliefs and practices tied to Satanism.
  • Liz Crokin: “They're big on the transgender agenda because these people are Satanists... That’s what they worship; these creepy gods, male and female.” (53:08)

7. The Global Network and Existential Stakes

• Global and Long-Term Trends:
  • Emphasizes this as a global network, not limited to the U.S., and alleges that trafficking children is more lucrative than drugs or arms.
• Call to Action:
  • Urges audiences to “band together and demand justice,” warning that continued inaction could provoke wider societal breakdown.
  • Liz Crokin: "If these people aren't eliminated … I don't see how we can ever progress as a human race." (60:33)
• Hopeful Note:
  • Growing public awareness is seen as a step toward possible justice and positive societal change. (62:28)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "They made it clear after I started covering Pizzagate and went after me, and I lost all my jobs."
  — Liz Crokin (12:26)
• "I watched this stuff happen in real time... and then fast forward to two Fridays ago, we get it confirmed that Jeffrey Epstein was doing that."
  — Liz Crokin (16:00)
• "The only difference is that they're propagandists, and I tell the truth."
  — Liz Crokin (12:26)
• "Pizza is something that children love... That's why I think they chose pizza [as a code word]."
  — Liz Crokin (18:35)
• "They created a diversion. They created this psy-op. They redefined Pizzagate into something it wasn't, making it sound ridiculous… That’s how they were able to cover it up for so long."
  — Liz Crokin (27:07)
• On assassinations and intimidation:
  "I've had a living nightmare … hacking my account, constantly shutting down my businesses. … They’ve paid off lawyers. They’ve paid off doctors."
  — Liz Crokin (44:45)
• "If these people are not eliminated … I don’t see how we can ever progress as a human race, as a society."
  — Liz Crokin (60:33)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:00–03:22 – Podcast opening; introducing the topic, overview of Pizzagate and Epstein documents
• 04:33–07:38 – Recap of Pizzagate email contents; public/media reactions; introduction of Liz Crokin
• 11:02–13:05 – Crokin details pushback, professional consequences, and attempts to intimidate her
• 13:05–15:24 – Breaking down how Crokin uncovered "pizza" as a pedophile code word; evidence online disappearing
• 16:00–17:50 – Description of Epstein’s PR scrubbing campaigns; link to suppression of online evidence
• 18:35–22:54 – Historical and practical meaning of "pizza" and related code words in trafficking networks
• 24:27–28:06 – How the media redefined Pizzagate, focusing on a DC pizza parlor to discredit the wider allegation
• 33:44–37:05 – Discussion of Hillary Clinton’s ties to trafficking, foundation allegations, and the Anthony Weiner laptop
• 37:42–40:32 – Obama’s ties via emails, alleged "cannibalism," and celebrity involvement
• 42:45–46:36 – Crokin recounts alleged threats, poisoning, and targeted harassment
• 47:35–49:50 – New Epstein files confirming use of food code words and more explicit depictions of crimes
• 51:09–55:22 – Naming names: Les Wexner, Tom Pritzker, Hyatt Hotels, the Pritzkers and their broader influence
• 55:57–57:04 – Industrial cleaning at Epstein's ranches and parallels to historic ritual abuse cases (McMartin Preschool)
• 59:15–62:07 – Epstein's larger plan, breeding, and sex tourism; future risks and the need for justice
• 63:00–End – Closing, affirmation of Crokin’s work, calls for continued exposure, audience reactions

Tone and Style

• Language & Tone:
  The podcast is highly assertive, combative toward mainstream media and authorities, and features a distrustful and conspiratorial tone. Liz Crokin’s contributions are detailed, forceful, and often passionate, relying on anecdotal evidence, personal experience, and selective document reference.
• Host Attitude:
  Hosts, especially Clayton, are open supporters of Crokin’s work and frame the discussion as a necessary “truth-telling” in opposition to government and media "propaganda."
• Audience Engagement:
  The podcast assumes its audience is skeptical of mainstream sources and receptive to alternative narratives.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode methodically outlines the progression of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory—its origin in the Podesta emails, the media backlash and suppression campaign, and recent validation by newly-released Epstein documents. Liz Crokin, who first publicized Pizzagate, walks the hosts through the coded language, the network's alleged connections to high-level political figures, evidence of cover-ups, and the implications of these revelations for society at large. The episode is heavy with claims of elite criminality, media complicity, and an urgent call for public awareness and action.

(Note: This summary represents the content and claims as presented by the speakers and does not reflect factual endorsement.)