"Project Mockingbird is alive and well at the CIA" and our news media are COMPROMISED

Summary

---

Podcast Summary: "Project Mockingbird is alive and well at the CIA"

Redacted News, December 29, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris (Redacted.inc)
Guest: Kevin Shipp (ex-CIA Whistleblower, Author of Twilight of the Shadow Government)

---

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the ongoing influence of the CIA within U.S. government institutions, media, and technology, focusing especially on Project Mockingbird—the CIA’s historic and possibly ongoing role in controlling media narratives. Clayton Morris interviews Kevin Shipp, a 17-year CIA veteran and whistleblower, who discusses shadow governance, media co-option, personal retribution he faced after exposing CIA activity, and the agency’s continued expansion into Silicon Valley and mass surveillance. The conversation questions the boundaries of constitutional rights, the difficulty of governmental reform, and the American public's role in demanding accountability.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The CIA’s Culture of Secrecy and Retaliation

• Book Redactions and Silencing Whistleblowers [03:17–07:58]
  • Kevin describes how the CIA routinely redacts whistleblowers’ books, not only for classified info but to suppress embarrassing facts, criminal activity, and agency failings.
  • Shipp's own family was targeted: “They intentionally put me and my family ... in that poisoned house. … My wife was bleeding from her gums, bruising ... My son's immune system was so damaged they thought he had AIDS.” [03:17]
  • On publishing his latest book without CIA approval: “Somebody’s gotta break this hold that the CIA has on freedom of speech.” [05:40]
  • The CIA responded only with veiled threats, not wanting to draw further public attention.

Defining the “Shadow Government” & Deep State

• What is the Shadow Government? [12:27–15:50]
  • Shipp defines it as essentially the CIA’s control over all branches of elected government—Congress, Presidents, and judiciary—primarily wielded via security clearances, state secrets privilege, and manipulation.
  • Example: When Congressmembers investigate, the agency threatens or destroys their careers, as with Frank Church and Otis Pike.
  • "The upper 20% of the agency ... does not believe in the Constitution. They believe in expanding the CIA and its power.” [20:53]

Manipulation of Judiciary through State Secrets

• The State Secrets Privilege [16:05–19:31]
  • Explains how court cases (like United States vs. Reynolds) set precedent for silencing lawsuits against the government, even for CIA negligence or misconduct.
  • Nowhere in the Constitution is this privilege authorized.
  • Invoked not just for national security but at times to cover up political abuse (e.g., deporting immigrants without oversight).

CIA Influence: Mossad, MI6, and Foreign Operations

• Collaboration & Competition [25:37–28:34]
  • Describes deep CIA-Mossad collaboration (e.g., the Epstein case, drug trafficking). Each agency hedges bets, remaining rivals as well as allies.
  • “Mossad and the CIA are like sisters who don’t trust each other ... Israel ... will do whatever it takes to maintain the existence of the state of Israel.” [26:16]

Project Mockingbird: Media Manipulation Past and Present

• From Covert Assets to Open Contributors [29:45–38:13]
  • Project Mockingbird covertly placed CIA assets in major newsrooms for decades; now, ex-CIA, NSA, and other intelligence figures openly serve as Fox, CNN, MSNBC commentators.
  • Notable Moment: Shipp recounts seeing Sean Hannity wearing a CIA lapel pin live on Fox, then after appearing as a whistleblower guest, received “abject silence” instead of attention—suggesting the agency can instantly “blacklist” truth-tellers. [30:26–33:24]
  • The CIA’s approach now: “If you support the CIA, then we’ll feed you news stories that you’re not going to get anywhere else … but if you criticize us … we’re not going to give you anything.” [34:36]
  • Red flag for viewers: “Any TV news host or journalist ... that never criticizes the CIA, ever ... that’s a red flag.” [37:37]

Watergate, Bob Woodward, and Journalism “Myths” [38:13–46:45]

• Bob Woodward’s Intelligence Ties:
  • Shipp claims Woodward was always operational intelligence, not just a journalist.
  • Relates being personally present to debunk Woodward’s claim of secret interviews with dying CIA Director William Casey.
  • “He never got in there. We caught him and showed him the door ... As an eyewitness ... it’s a lie.” [42:25]
  • Woodward’s book Veil is, in Shipp’s words, a “boldface ... falsity.” [44:27]

CIA in Silicon Valley & the Death of Privacy [47:51–51:46]

• Mass Surveillance and Tech:
  • The CIA now runs “2,000 contracts with Silicon Valley companies ... 300 more that were classified” [47:51].
  • Palantir, Oracle, Amazon (cloud for the CIA), and others are agency-born or controlled.
  • “Privacy is dead … They’re bugging all of us through our phones, collecting our emails, texts, phone calls.” [50:28]
  • The digital surveillance state (“6G”) and state-level tracking are discussed as essentially unavoidable and omnipresent.

MK Ultra, Mind Control, and Directed Energy Weapons

• Modern Secret Programs [53:17–58:32]
  • Shipp asserts MK Ultra (mind control) remains alive under new tech, still compartmentalized and secret even from directors.
  • Shares personal experiences of psychological and physical retaliation, including targeted attacks on his family.
  • On recent high-profile killings/attempted assassinations: “It’s operations 101 ... That’s exactly how they do it.” [58:05]
  • “I am convinced MK Ultra is still alive and directed energy weapons are still alive ... that’s the darkness at the top of the agency.” [58:32]

Final Thoughts: Patriotism, Reform, and Public Power

• Can the CIA be Reformed? [24:01, 25:37, 57:27]
  • Despite past optimism, Shipp doubts real reform is possible from within government—only mass public pressure can force change.
  • “Congress and the Senate are gone ... It’s up to us, the American people.” [24:01]
  • Many CIA employees consider themselves patriots, especially lower levels; upper echelons only care about agency power.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Somebody’s gotta break this hold that the CIA has on freedom of speech.”
  — Kevin Shipp [05:40]

• “It's nowhere in the Constitution at all.”
  — Kevin Shipp, on the State Secrets Privilege [16:05]

• “The upper 20% of the agency … does not believe in the Constitution. They believe in expanding the CIA and its power.”
  — Kevin Shipp [20:53]

• “Project Mockingbird is right there in our face now. They’re not even hiding it any longer.”
  — Kevin Shipp [29:45]

• “Privacy is dead. … They’re bugging all of us through our phones, they’re collecting our emails, they’re collecting our texts, they’re collecting our phone calls.”
  — Kevin Shipp [50:28]

• “No, [MK Ultra] is alive under another name now.”
  — Kevin Shipp [53:42]

• “How do you kill a monster?”
  — Kevin Shipp, on dismantling the CIA’s structural power [24:01]

---

Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:17] Shipp describes CIA’s censorship, the targeting of his family, and book redactions
• [05:40] Shipp explains why he published without CIA approval
• [12:27] Definition and reach of the “shadow government”
• [16:05] The unconstitutional roots and uses of the "state secrets" privilege
• [25:37] CIA’s integration with Silicon Valley & Mossad
• [29:45] Project Mockingbird, CIA assets in newsrooms, public and covert ways
• [30:26] Sean Hannity and the symbolism of the CIA lapel pin
• [34:36] CIA’s continuing quid-pro-quo relationship with editors/producers
• [37:37] How to spot CIA influence: media figures never criticize the Agency
• [42:25] Shipp debunks Bob Woodward’s CIA claims from firsthand experience
• [47:51] The CIA’s influence in Silicon Valley, tech contracts, and mass surveillance
• [50:28] “Privacy is dead”—discussion on how pervasive surveillance has become
• [53:42] MK Ultra and mind control technology remain “alive under another name”
• [58:05] Recent political assassinations and CIA “playbook” tactics
• [60:17] Final recommendation of Kevin Shipp’s book and appreciation from the host

---

Tone & Style

The tone is urgent, candid, and conspiratorial, blending personal testimony, historical analysis, and contemporary warnings. Both Clayton and Kevin speak directly, unsparingly, and frame their discussion as a wake-up call for the public. The language is accessible, combining industry-insider specifics with plain, emotive examples.

---

For Listeners:

This episode offers a detailed critique of intelligence agency overreach, blending little-known whistleblower experiences and institutional analysis. The message is clear: to preserve constitutional freedoms, American citizens must demand transparency and reform from a deeply entrenched and largely unaccountable intelligence apparatus.

---

Transcript

[Narrator/Host (Tom Holland Beer O Ad)]

Hey everyone. I wanted to jump in and tell you about Tom Holland's new non alcoholic beer beero. Tom created Beer O because he wanted a non alcoholic beer focused on what went in, not what was left out. So he teamed up with brewmaster Grant Wood and created four standout beers including Crisp Pills, Wheat and Bold IPA styles made with the best ingredients and no shortcuts. Exactly what you'd expect from your favorite beer. So grab a can and enjoy the.

[Ad Reader/Announcer]

Rest of the show.

With the state of today's economy, it's more important than ever to invest in products that last for years to come. As the seasons shift and get cooler, make sure your closet is stocked with durable layers that stand the test of time. From American Giant. American Giant's clothes work harder and are wearable season after season. Their greatest hoodie ever made is made from the highest quality materials that are cut and sewn right here in the United States. So you're investing right back in your local community. Choosing American Giant means taking a stand for American manufacturing and hard working Americans. Something other mega corporations don't care about. From fleece to knit, all in a range of colors for versatile daily wear, American Giant delivers everyday pieces designed for everyday life. Feel the difference of quality made to last clothes from American Giant Get 20% off your first order with code [e-mail] that's 20% off your first order at american-giant.com with code STAPLE20.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Project Mockingbird the CIA's secret project that infiltrated our newsrooms, controlled our news cycles for decades. Reporters and anchors, well guess what reports are it's still alive and well. It's operating now, just out there without even being in the shadows. That's just one of the many revelations from Kevin Shipp. He's a veteran of the CIA. Seventeen years at the CIA, he's been exposing the shadow government that essentially controls Washington D.C. and the United States. It's easy to just like roll your eyes when you're at a cocktail party. When someone brings up the idea of a deep state. Oh, you're one of those people that believes in a shadow government. While some folks might think it's just another conspiracy theory, but I'm happy to say I'm happy to live in the camp that says actually, let's talk to someone who's actually been on the inside of this, who's witnessed it firsthand. Our next guest is Kevin Shipp. He's a many decades veteran of the CIA, spent years exposing how the shadow government really works. He knows better than Anyone, because he worked right in this belly of the beast and he's got a personal stake in this. He believes the shadow government even targeted his family. So we're going to get into all of that and more today. Kevin, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Thanks for having me. Good to be back.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

My pleasure. You know, we spoke briefly on our live show and I said, kevin, we've got to come back. We've got to do a deep dive interview with you because there's just so much to go through. I've been reading your book, Twilight of the Shadow Government. It is a page turner. I'm just going to put it up here on the screen again. I want all of our viewers to go and buy it, this book. Because first of all, I mean, I think it's interesting how you even got this book published because even as our name suggests, redacted as the name of our show, a lot of times these books that come out from people that worked in the CIA or State Department or otherwise, they have to redact so much of the book. But you managed to get around that. How did you do that?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yes, and I saw this internally. For years, the CIA has been redacting, blacking out information, especially from whistleblowers and even in legitimate case officers and others books, they're blacking out things that are embarrassing and in some cases reveal CIA drug trafficking and other criminal activity. They have the unbridled authority just to black that stuff out or redact it. In the author's manuscripts, My last book, from the Company of Shadows, I talked about, I was on a secret base in the United States. A bunch of skeletons were buried there. And as I talk about in the book, I'd just done an investigation where we exposed that the CIA was allowing a vulnerability in embassies for people to go in, in the visa section and identify our case officers. Anyway, so I was kind of targeted by that. They put me on this secret base in a poisoned house. My family was desperately ill. My wife was bleeding from her gums, bruising all over her body. My son's immune system was so damaged that they thought he had aids, which he was tested and he didn't. The doctor said it was the same effect as being exposed to a BRU burst of radiation. So that was my defining moment because I was a category one top performing officer and the CIA was my career. But then my family became collateral damage. I wrote from the company Shout Us. I wrote about that. I wrote about the, the toxic exposure, my family's illnesses and The CI redacted all of that, including the names of my wife and children. If you're looking from the Company of Shadows, there. There. There's a blackout over their eyes or their names are blacked out. The poisoning is. So I realized, and I knew this before because I'd been approached by other people when I was a senior briefer, that the CIA has been redacting information in violation of Executive Order 12356, which forbids the CIA from redacting any information simply because it's embarrassing to the agency or reveals criminal activity. So it is a felony. It's illegal for the CIA to do this. So they did. They did that. My last book, from the Company of Shadows. So when I wrote Twilight of the Shadow Government, I knew, number one, they were probably going to sit on it for at least a year. They. They've done up to five years in some cases. And if I did get it out, they were going to redact the information on CIA's drug trade and how it went around Congress and ran guns and things. So I gave them three months to. I submitted it to the CIA, waited three months, not a peep, as I knew would happen, and then said, okay, somebody's got to break this hold that the CIA has on freedom of speech. And so I, along with my co author, made the decision, and Skyhorse, the publisher, made, let's just publish it anyway. So we published it without the CIA's approval. That's why there's nothing redacted in there. And I wanted to break that tyrannical hold that the Agency has on our constitutional freedoms and silencing whistleblowers. So Twilight of the Shadow Government is someone somewhat unique in that regard, is I didn't even give them the chance to redact information in there. There's nothing classified. I was a classic classifying authority in the agency, so there's nothing classified, but there's a lot in there that the CI does not want the public to know about. It's drug running, gun running, and other things. So that's how I got Twilight of the Shadow Government out.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow. It's remarkable. Has there been any retribution from the agency?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Well, yeah. It's kind of funny because after I published it, I get this note, which I was expecting, and frankly, Clayton, I got to tell you, I was willing to go all the way. If they wanted to take this to court or if they wanted whatever they want to do, I was ready to go for it, because someone has got to stop this. Well, they didn't, because if it was to go to court, they would lose because I prove on my YouTube channel and other places that they have broken the law. Anyway, I get this veiled threat from the CIA Publications Review Board. We consider this a violation of your cinda. And I'm like, duh. I knew exactly what I was doing. And I looked at all the historical past books that have done that. But then they said, but we. We don't want to make an issue of this because we don't want this book to have more. More publicity than we want it to have. And I'm like, well, that cat's kind of already out of the bag. So they've done nothing. And, and I knew this. I researched this thoroughly, and I. I knew the process inside. There's nothing they can do. The information is out there, and for them to do anything about it is. Would be just admitting complicity to cover this stuff up again. So I was ready and willing to take the full risk. And, and, and they didn't do anything because they can't. It's too late.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So maybe just real quick back to when he dropped kind of a bombshell there at the beginning about how they went after you for your last book and the redactions about the poisoning, and they wanted to hide that.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Can you talk. Can you talk more about that? And what. In what way were in many ways using almost like directed sort of energy weapons against you and your family?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I'm I intelligence analyst and a human collector and several other assignments in the Agency. So I'm a fact man, an evidence person, as you all are. They knew the house was poisoned. It was riddled with black mold and some other chemical. Mycotoxins, actually, which is a chemical biological weapon. That's the yellow rain that Saddam Hussein used on US Troops, and that's what was making everybody so sick. So they. They intentionally put me and my family, which became collateral damage, in that poisoned house. And I'm convinced, and I think I proved this in the book, it was because of the investigation I did without the Agency's knowledge about them covering up the embassy vulnerability. Anyway, that base has got all kinds of skeletons buried there. I can't go into all of them. But if the American people knew, there would be an outcry for dismantling the CIA. So I had an IAG represent have come to me later after he had left the Agency, because the CIIG went after me, and he sat down at a program manager off site and said, listen, I just wanted to apologize. We were ordered by the Director to shut. To silence you any way that we could because they were terrified that what was buried in this base would get out to the public. And I have all this documented. So they put us in this poisoned house. Everybody got desperately sick. And a lot of this is in, in twilight shadow government. But I had to make a decision. Family or career, because my career was doing well. I knew that they were going to come after me eventually because of the exposure of them, covering up the embassy vulnerability, and a report that was issued to the entire intelligence community rebuking the CIA for its cover up and putting the lives of its case officers at risk for over 10 years. That report went out to the entire IC. So I knew then that it was only a matter of time that they were going to. I was going to get some retribution. Well, I was put in this, this poisoned house on the basin. Sadly, they ordered me to move in there with my family and everybody got desperately sick. And that's when I decided enough is enough. You know, as the old saying goes, you can mess with the man, but you don't mess with his family. And that was my, that was my moment where, okay, I got to, I've got to break this relationship. I got to come out and I got to let everybody know what the agency is, the power of secrecy that it has, what it's been doing without the knowledge of the American people for decade. And so that's where it started. And I wrote from, from the Company of Shadows just after the poisoning, when I came out, 2012. And that's how that all started. And, and then it resulted in my recent book Twilight of the Shadow Government, where I said, okay, listen, it's time for some freedom here. It's time for an agency officer to finally come out and lay it all out for everybody to see and, and accept the risk if necessary. And so that's how, that's how we wound up here.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I love the title Twilight. Like, this is, this is a dying, this is a dying beast. Right now we're sort of seeing it in its last days. And I think a lot of us hope that that was the case, right, with maybe President Trump coming in the second time, being aware of the deep state monsters, swamp monsters that really scuttled his first presidency, that this would be the time, right? This would be the time after the assassination attempt that he was going to clean house, really upend the CIA, maybe break it into a thousand pieces like JFK wanted to do before he was assassinated. So. But when you go up against the CIA. And you want to break it into a thousand pieces, you end up getting killed by the CIA. You end up getting shot in the head in Dallas, Texas, by the CIA. So.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So Trump really hasn't been able to do that. And now, of course, we're starting to see this, what's unfolding right now in Venezuela. So are you. Where do you think things stand with the cleaning house at the CIA and getting rid of the shadow government? Maybe you can describe what is the shadow government, because maybe that's where people, you know, go to cocktail parties. Like, there's no such thing as a deep state. There's no such thing as a shadow government. Maybe you could define it for us first. And then where does it sit today?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Certainly. And I've got a YouTube out there on this. The shadow government, essentially, is the CIA. And the CIA exerts control over every branch of our elected government. They control Congress. There are congressmen that, and senators that are in the CIA's pocket. The CIA will not reveal anything to Congress because they don't have the high level clearances to have access to it. So they control congressional hearings, they control the. They select committees on intelligence and only give them what they want them to have. They've controlled every single president. They'll go in and say, Look, Mr. President, we have this global operation and for national security, you can get on board with us and say in Trump's case, and be a great president by allowing the CIA to save the world, essentially. And they convince every president that this stuff is so secret, so classified, most presidents just say, okay, go ahead and do what you're doing. The risk of exposing. And this is where the shadow government comes in. The CIA also controls the judiciary branch in that when I wrote in from, from the Company of Shadows, I filed suit against the CIA and won. And a federal judge ordered us to mediation in Washington, D.C. because of what the CIA had done to our family, which was a tremendous success. But then the CIA turned around and said, no, we're not. They signed the settlement. I had this all out on the Internet, the documents they signed, the settlement agreement from the mediation. And then a week later called my attorney and said, we're not going to settle. And he said, what do you mean you're not going to settle? You signed the agreement. They said, no, we're going to invoke the state secrets privilege and we're going to steal all of Mr. Ship's evidence, and if he comes out and talks about it to anybody, we're going to file criminal Charges. So the control over the judiciary they go to, and sadly Pam Bondi's done this twice already, invoked a state secrets privilege, which is you don't do that lightly. So the CIA and the NSA has done this also can shut down any legal criminal case against them by simply invoking the state secrets privilege. And when it goes to the courts, the judges and I have a whole chapter on this from the Company of Shadows. The judges rubber stamp the state secrets privilege on behalf of the CIA because they don't consider themselves intelligence experts. So the CIA controls the judiciary and literally shuts cases down and seals evidence in that fashion. So they control the Congress and the Senate, they control the President, they control the judiciary. And a prime example of that is when Frank Church and Otis pike came out in the now well known Church committee where MK Ultra was exposed and other things. The CI contacted Frank Church and said, the Director, if you keep up with this, we're going to destroy you. You need to understand that. Well, Frank Church by all accounts was a good man and a good, honest man. He went ahead with it anyway with some of the most shocking revelations on the CIA in, in American history. And sure enough, they attacked him and Otis Pike. They ruined both their careers, both of them lost their elections and were out of politics. So the current congressman senators today know that's what the CIA can and will do if they decide to do a real investigation on the Agency. So the Agency is controlling Congress and they're controlling any investigation into the CIA's criminal activities. That's incredible power.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Can I, can I ask you where in the Constitution does it give the CIA the authority to invoke state secrets that then bypasses the judiciary? Can you point that? Can you point to me where that sits in the Constitution?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

It's nowhere in the Constitution at all. Okay, now it's, there's a case, United States vs Reynolds where a B2 bomber crashing way across Georgia and the families wanted to know what killed their husbands. And the government came back and said, well, it was a classified operation, you can't sue for negligence. And they invoked, created the state secret privilege to silence the families. And I have a chapter on that called Tyranny of secrecy and from the covey of shadows. The state secrets privilege was created by the Navy and the Air Force to seal the case against the families bringing a suit for the death of their, their fathers in this crash in Waycross, Georgia. And I'd encourage everybody to look into that. So they created a doctrine that is based on the King of England where if A president or the CIA in this case, want to seal a case against it. It has complete carte blanche to do it. It's totally unconstitutional. But it is now in US vs Reynolds, a law. And. And the CIA has been using it with impunity and the NSA to shut down any investigations against it. That's why I wrote a whole chap from the Company of Shadows.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

It's remarkable. Is there. Well, I'm thinking, is there a court case that could bring this to light, where it could rise all the way to the Supreme Court, but who knows at this point? And these governments can use this in this capacity to hide anything they want under state secrets. You mentioned Pam Bondi has invoked it twice. How has she used it?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

I was really disturbed by that. The returning. The immigrants. They were returning some immigrants on a flight from out of the United States. And Congress wanted to know, what evidence do you have for returning these immigrants or putting them on this flight and flying. I'm trying to remember, I think it was Mexico. Give us the evidence on who these people are and why you're doing this. And she turned around and invoked the state secrets privilege, which was supposedly to protect legitimate national security, satellite technology, other things like that. She invoked it so that Congress couldn't get access to any information on why she flew these immigrants out. It's a complete abuse of these state secrets. That's when I started losing my hope that the Trump administration was actually going to reform the CIA. And now we see in Venezuela, where the CIA has been for decades, they penetrated and actually built Venezuela's intelligence service while the chief of that service was running drugs, and the CIA just allowed it to happen. Now we got Venezuela unfolding and the CIA is back and it looks like they're pushing towards another coup, which is what the CIA does. The CIA considers oil and minerals national security in their minds, and acquiring those things in their minds is bolstering US national security with these resources and they engage in these coups, every single one of which has failed. So with Bondi invoking the state secret privilege and now Venezuela, it's very concerning. And to answer your question, it's heartbreaking and sad. I was hoping. And Bobby Kennedy Jr. And I had several discussions about this because of the assassination of his dad and his uncle, I was hoping that we would see some legitimate reform of the agency. The thing, it's out of control. I mean, it's a global juggernaut.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Bobby believes, if I'm not mistaken, I mean, that the CIA was responsible for the death of his father. Right. Have you had these conversations? Yeah. And he's spoken about it. Yeah.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

There was another shooter. Yes.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So it wasn't just Sirhan Sirhan, who.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

No, no. Maybe you could. And Sirhan was, he was, I think he was an MK Ultra subject. And I don't say that lightly. They had him climbing his cell like a monkey. He was so easily programmable after he was arrested and put in prison. And I think Bobby Kennedy Jr. He agrees with that also. And there was shots fired from the other direction that were hit. The door frame going the opposite direction. Lapd, who was trained by the CIA and still is by the way, took the door frames out and burned them, which is destruction of evidence. So yeah, their fingerprints are all over that. And like I said, with the JFK assassination, also with the Robert Kennedy assassination, if these facts went to a jury, they would find the CIA guilty of these two murders. If it ever went to court, the evidence was ever presented.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

That's what's amazing to me is that, yeah, they're able to do this with impunity. They're able to remove door frames and burn them. In the wake of Charlie Kirk's shooting, almost immediately the crime scene was paved over, new pavers put in place. This seems like it has all the hallmarks of an intelligence operation.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah. And it's the same playbook they've been using for decades. The same thing including with Charlie Cook. Over and over, evidence is destroyed, false information is put out in the media. People. I think it's important for people to understand about 80% of CIA employees are good, hard working people. And of course I work alongside a lot of them. The upper 20% of the agency, however, does not believe in the United States Constitution. They believe in the expansion of the CIA and its power. And even Mike Pompeo and James Woolsey, both former directors of the CIA, after they left, stated publicly that there were things that the Agency was doing behind their backs that they didn't even know about about. And they were the director. So the CI, upper 20% and I, and I worked on the seventh floor. These people are like sociopathic narcissists. They're just so full of themselves. They think they're the, the top of human evolution intellectually. I mean they're. And that's who's running the place. And you know, you know where that leads every time. So it's the upper 20% of the agency that they need to address. And I was hoping that would happen. Sadly, I don't think it, it is going to Director Radcliffe who I think was a good Choice. Immediately fired 1200 employees. You remember that when he first got in there and they were all DEI managers. And I thought that was awesome because I saw the DEI dumbing down the Agency when I was there. But that's all he did. And then it stopped right there. No reform, no nothing. Because the CIA people should understand, I think they, many of them do, the CIA is so powerful and able to protect itself that reforming it is going to take some kind of catastrophe or congressional investigation that would cause a huge shaking in Washington D.C. that's what it would take to reform the Agency. And with its expansion now into controlling Silicon Valley. I hate to say it, but I don't think that's going to happen. Happen.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Well, and that's like what we saw under this USAID Doge stuff, right? We were all excited. Elon Musk was there. We're uncovering all of this corruption, money laundering operations for through Democrats and Republicans. But the USAID program, the sex trafficking of children using USAID money, like it was a massively corrupt money laundering operation. And we thought, oh, this is going to be shut down. We're excited. This is going to be shut down. We saw people walking out with their boxes filled with, you know, hey, I got lost my job today. I was just trying to bring aid to starving children in Africa, but I lost my job. But then we learn, of course, this corrupt organization, most of it gets rolled into the State Department, which I think, as you point out in your book, you call it the State Department. Basically the CIA light. It's basically the CIA, but just under a different name by all accounts. So these things really never go away. Right? They just go get folded into other operations. So even if the CIA were to be brought down, it would probably just get rolled into other areas and continue on.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

No, it would. It would probably continue on the same agency under a different name or a different government organization. It is so institutionalized, so well funded. I think the CIA's budget that we know of is about $49 billion of our taxpayer money. And we don't even know what we're paying for. And the operations that the CIA is doing are not revealed to the American people who provide. And their budget is bigger than that. And as I, as we reveal in Twilight of the Shadow Government, the agency has been funding a lot of its operations through drug running and arms running that Congress doesn't even know about because Congress wouldn't approve or fund that particular operation. They've been doing that for years. It is a global juggernaut not. It is a massive organization that is infiltrated every sector of our government, most major countries around the world, and it's. It's a monster. How do you. How do you kill a monster? I. I have some in my book, and then in my tweets that I put out on X, I give several ways that the CIA has to be reformed, but it's going to take the American people, it's going to take us, because Congress and the Senate are gone. They're not going to do anything. They know it's cost them their careers. So it's up to us, the American people, to let our congressmen and senators know. Listen, we want CIA reform and we want it now. And if you don't do anything about this, then we're going to vote you out of office. It's going to take a groundswell of the American people, us demanding that this happen. It's the only way.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Well, then we also get into Smartmatic and the CIA's involvement with shaping elections. They have their hands in everything. Before we move on, I have so much many other questions I want to get to here, but the connections you talk about this massive juggernaut, global juggernaut that is the CIA, and it's got his hands and everything. And we know that there's deep collaboration between Mossad and the CIA and MI6. They are basically all joined at the hip, essentially. So how close is that relationship? And when we hear something that Mossad does as the CIA mostly always involved, in your experience.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yes. The Mossad and the CIA are like sisters who don't trust each other when the Mossad does something. And for example, the Epstein case, when the Attorney General Acosta came out and said that, well, I was ordered from people at higher places to. To not to charge Epstein because he's involved in intelligence. Well, that was a tantamount admission if he said that the higher ups were from the CIA, not Mossad. Although I'm convinced it was a Mossad operation. But the CIA was involved and fully aware of it, which should blow everyone's minds. So Epstein being the pipe dream of any case officer, to recruit someone with that kind of network and access and then use it for blackmail and other intelligence operations. I mean, that's a. That's a CIA dream that came true for them. So. But, so to answer your question, and I, I worked with the CIA. I went to Israel with Robert Gates when he was Deputy Director of the CIA. I was one of his protective agents. And we, we were closely connected to Mossad on Those operations and many other operations in the middle east. So they're sister organizations. That being said, when I was in the counter espionage group and we were looking for a mole inside the agency, we caught. I caught on one case, Israel trying to penetrate the CIA and get inside for purposes of espionage. So Mossad is the CIA's friend, but it's also its enemy because Israel, it's called the Masada complex. They will do whatever it takes to maintain the existence of the state of Israel. Israel, whatever, including use of nuclear weapons. So we in the. In the counter espionage group considered Israel, I think our number one espionage enemy down from China and Russia, without question, they're trying to penetrate and steal our information all the time.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Friend of the show, CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou has said that when they would meet with Mossad, the CIA, they would absolutely never do it at the main facility, CIA headquarters. They would always do it in another building because Mossad always tried to. It put. Put listening devices or spy devices or something on CIA.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah, John's a good friend of mine. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Yes.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I want to talk about project Mockingbird, which I talked about at the top, which this idea that project mockingbird, from the 1940s to the 1970s, really, in a very clandestine fashion, infiltrated our newsroom. So you'd be watching the CBS evening news, you'd be reading the New York times, you'd be reading the Washington Post, and you wouldn't know that the reporter, the byline reporter at one of those publications was actually a CIA asset or somebody, intelligence adjacent, who was being fed stories and publishing these stories on behalf of the CIA. So for decades, that was the case. It was a hidden operation. And then something shifted, of course, where, in fact, I joke about it, many of those individuals no longer were in the shadows. They now are on the payroll of places like Fox news and other people like, we want to turn. We want to turn now to CIA. So. And so here, you know, Mike Pompeo together. So a lot of these guys are now like fox news contributors or MSNBC contributors or NBC. So now it's out in the public that this project. So would you say project mockingbird is alive and well today?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

It's alive and wellness right there in our face. Just. And both John Brennan and James Clapper are both intelligence analysts for CNN and msnbc. And fox news has Pompeo and these other experts on to give their spin on news stories. So project mockingbird is right there in our face now. They're not even hiding it any longer. And I mentioned the lapel pin when I went on Fox. That one in your book, two programs in your book.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I was laughing because I worked at Fox News. Sean Hannity's office was down the hall from me and you about Sean Hannity while you're waiting in the green room to go on the air, tell, tell this story about what you saw with Sean Hannity.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

It's one of those what does this mean Occasions. I was going on Laura Ingrid's program and Judge Janine, who was very graceful by the way, was, was the host hostess that evening. So I'm sitting in, in the Fox News green room down in Atlanta, Georgia and, and sitting on a couch and Sean Hannity was, was on before Laura. So, so their big screen, Hannity was sitting there and, and I the at looked, I looked at his lapel and I said, wait a minute, I recognize that. So I got right up to the TV and he's wearing a CIA lapel pin on his show. Even on his Wikipedia page now it's got him wearing a CIA lapel pin. So I went in and I'm like, okay, I'm going on as a CIA whistleblower here. And here Sean Hannity is promoting the CIA with a lapel pin. What does this mean? And the producer at Fox told me this, this, this interview is going to change your whole life. Millions are going to see this and hear your story. And I was like, whatever. That's not why I'm going on on here. Anyway, after that interview, I didn't receive one phone call. We didn't sell one book. We didn't even get anybody coming out criticizing my appearance or criticizing my credibility was abject silence after that. So, you know, reach any, I'm not, I'm not downing Sean Hannity, but reach any conclusion you will. But that's, those are just the facts.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

How even possible. I mean, I mean our show, you know, we've get, we get millions of views. I mean, and I would assume that people are probably going to buy your book Twilight of the Shadow Government. But to go on like Fox News back in the day on the biggest cable news show in the world and you literally got zero book sales and it was total silence. Like something got in the way of that.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

There's no question in my mind about that. I'm watching See it. I'm watching Sean Hannity who was, was recruited by the CIA. The way it does it, they bring journalists in and they say, listen, you can be a true patriot and, and protect national security by connecting with us, and you're going to be really kind of like a spy, even. And, and then we'll give you information that we don't give anybody else. And even Hannity came on one. You can go check this out. He came on one night and he said, you know, if I wasn't doing this job, I would have been a CIA agent. Agent. That's what I would have been. I'm like, dude, they recruited you all the way down. I know exactly how they do it and how they work over journalists. So here he is sitting on the, in, in the TV in the green room with a CI lapel pin. I go on as a CIA whistleblower. Then after that, there's abject silence. And, and, and I think I just reached a conclusion that somebody said, don't go anywhere with this guy. Don't publish, don't don't advertise his book. Any, any requests for interviews or contacts, shut them down. And I think that's what's happened just based on events.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Have you been invited back after that appearance?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

No. Now, granted, I've gone out on X and I've revealed publicly that Sean Hannity is basically advertising the CIA with a lapel pin. And as a journalist, that should be an anathema, you know.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Right.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

So I don't expect them to have me back, but not that I'm looking for that. But no, there's nothing after that that it is interesting.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, I, I have no idea, you know, but I, I trust your, I trust your knowledge at the CIA what they do with these journalists. But I just know, I even know back with the executives at Fox News when I worked there, I mean, they would say that Sean's show, I mean, it was never like the big ratings success that, you know, you'd have with like Bill O'Reilly show or, you know, or even Tucker Carlson. It was always just kind of man. And they would admit this publicly. I was in meetings where they would admit this. And they often talked, too, about how his show was so predictable that there was no. If you started watching the first five minutes of the show.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

That's right.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

It was always that predictability of what he was going to say.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

That's right.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

And that was one of their big frustrations with it. So you wonder how does a guy like that, he's still there, still manages to have a contract and be a success all of these years later. It's very interesting.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Interesting, yeah. And there's probably some things behind there, why they keep him around. And the agency is very Good. Especially with news programs and their editors saying, listen, it's, it's a quid pro quo. This is how they do it. This is the modern mockingbird. And I write about this in my book. The CIA will come to the editors of new, new or producers of news broadcasts and they'll say, listen, if you support the CIA, then we'll feed you news stories that you're not going to get anywhere else. It will give to you straight. But if, if you criticize us and jeopardize their version of national security, we're not going to give you anything. So the, the executives are like, oh, okay, all right. That, that works well for everybody.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

And they do it so they can get these exclusive stories. And I can.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Exactly.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I can recall in the first moments after the bo. Iran, the 12 day war that President Trump championed over the summer and on behalf of Israel, of course, that Sean Hannity went right on the air, Mark Levin and others. But Sean Hannity was saying how he's talking with the President of the United States. This was one of the greatest days in American history, the bombing campaign that was just carried out against Iran, and that this will go down as one of the great moments in American history. Essentially, it was a brilliant, beautiful bombing. I was just speaking with the President moments ago, and I've got all this information about it I want to share here exclusively. So I just, I was just so struck about this being alive and well. The manufacturing consent for war, right on national television like this. It's, you know, deeply disturbing.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Well, you, and you remember the Pentagon Analyst, Analyst program and several of these, one and one, one major general in particular was on Fox News promoting the war in Iraq. Well, it turns out that that was an intentional program by the Pentagon to send out generals to engage in propaganda on shows like Fox News promoting and supporting the US Going into Iraq. And that's been well documented. It's out there. It's called the Pentagon Analyst program. And it was busted. Can't remember who the journalist was. It finally, finally caught it. So it goes on pretty regularly on major news programs. And Mockingbird is alive and well. And the CIA people have to remember the CIA. They're like a brilliant serpent. They're very good at what they do and how they convince people, threaten people, influence people. They've been doing this for over 50 years now, and they're very good at it. And they know how to convince news programs to speak favorably of them and maintain context. Here's a red flag. Clayton, I was just about to ask.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

You what Are like if I'm sitting there as a viewer, my grandma sitting there watching Fox News all day. And you know, what's a red flag that we should all be aware of?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Red flag is this. Any TV news host or journalist, especially a TV news host, that never criticizes the CIA, ever. And there's plenty to criticize and only promotes it. Red flag. Flag. Because any journalist knows the CIA even today is still engaged in illegal activity in several areas. But to say nothing about any of that as a journalist and only promote the CIA. That's red flag number one right there. I mean, you know, right there that there's an influence there.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Tucker Carlson, I recall, he sort of let the cat out of the bag about the CIA. The documents that he said he saw or talked about to confirming that the CIA was involved in the assassination of jfk.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Shortly after that, Tucker lost his job at Fox. Yeah, you know. You know, sure. It's not a coincidence the CIA calls up Rupert Murdoch and has a few kind, you know, few words to say with them, given the fact that, you know, relationship with other. Who knows who, you know, who. Who else? I don't know, but there's probably a phone call that was made, made. I would think that's what they do. Yeah. There's so much other stuff I want to talk about in your book. One of the things that stood out to me was Bob Woodward. You know, we've been growing up in the journalism field. You're sort of taught Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein, oh, my gosh, these incredible investigative journalists. It was the catalyst for so many young people to want to get into journalism. The golden era of journalism in the 1970s that you write about, of course, all the President's Men, a book that, that I read and loved. A movie that I saw and loved with Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman playing Woodward and Bernstein. The idea of Deep Throat, we're getting sources, we're going to bring down a sitting President of the United States for corruption. But then you grow up and you start to understand that it was all a lie. And it was really the reverse. You actually took out the good guy in many ways. And Bob Woodward, we're all trained to believe that he's some incredible journalist. But as you point out in the book, and you go point by point by point, point. He was really in it. He was an intelligence asset and he was being fed this phony story from day one. Maybe you can walk us through some of that because it's just. It's Earth Shadows.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

He was a operational intelligence Officer Bob Woodward was never mentioned all of his intelligence connections with Alexander Haig and never mentions any of that. And, and just portrays himself as this journalist in Washington Post. He just stumbled across this great story. Not like it was given to him, to him. Even the editor, Washington Post said he didn't trust me. How did he get this stuff? But the first eye opener for me with Bob Woodward and then eventually I did my own investigation. It's in the book. When I first came out and I wrote from the Company of Shadows, I said okay, let's do this. And I contacted the Washington Post and eventually the New York Times and these stories are out there in the papers. Contacted the Washington Post. I said listen, my name is Kevin she ship. I'm a former CI officer and I have the documents to prove it. And I'm, I'm coming out to talk about the CIA's cover up of the poisoning of my family. And the reporter, I'm going to withhold his name because I don't want to. He was getting pressure from above, but he's like, well, yeah, well, what a story. Wow. Yeah, yeah, we do want to publish this, but. And he kept, geez, about every three days he would call me and try to get me to say something classified A as a red herring, which is what they try to do, get me to say something classified. Then they come out and, and try to charge me with revealing classified information like they did to John Car. So I would say no.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Oh, like to try to get you pro. Like to get you prosecuted.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yes.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So this reporter was like getting fed information from the CIA, like hey, get him to say something classified and then we'll prosecute him. We'll shut him down.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Exactly. And, and he kept saying my editors is, is, is making me do this. Guess who his editor was? Bob Woodward. Yeah. And when I contacted the Washington Post and the editor, Bob Woodward through via this reporter, the Washington Post went straight to the CIA and reported my contact immediately. And that's when I knew. Oh, this stinks. And then I started looking into Bob Woodward and of course his lies in veil about visiting William Casey in the hospital room. Sadly for Bob Woodward, I was there. Okay, can you. Detective Agent.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So for people who don't know who, who Casey was, he was the director of the CIA at the time.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Correct.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

And you were there in the hospital room?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yes, we had, when he was just after he had his brain surgery, we, he was in Georgetown University Hospital and of course we protected him at his house, wherever he was. He had a huge threat on him. From various things, Khomeini being one of them. He had a million dollar price on his head. So that and journalists and other things. We occupied what's called a hot seat right outside William Casey's Hospital, room 24 7. No one got in there without our approval or the chief of staff's approval. Well, Bob Woodward claims that he got past security into William Casey and had a conversation about Iran Contra and got Casey to admit that he was involved in the Iran Contra affair. Fair. That never happened. He tried. We caught him and we showed him the door and he never came back. But where Bob Woodward miscalculated was everybody on the director's protective staff is undercover. Except I'd come in there. I was, I was a security protective officer, which is the CIA's version of the federal top secret cleared federal police. I came up there in that avenue and then I took all the physical, scholastic and other tests and became, became an officer while I was on Casey's detail. But I remained open and then I was put undercover later on. Well, no one else, none of the other guys on the staff could talk about what Woodward did except me. So when I came out and Woodward pulled this with the Washington Post, I just came out and as a, as an eyewitness and said he never got in there. I was there. It's a lie. I can talk about it. I've got messages from some of my bosses at the CIA. One of them was go Kevin. Because they've been wanting Woodward exposed for years. Sadly for Bob Woodward, I was able to come out and talk about the fact that I was in the hot seat outside his hospital room, Casey's hospital room, along with the other agents. And Woodward never got in. In his book, Veil, that is a bold face now proven falsity.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So he writes in his book that he had this whole conversation about Iran Contra with Cayce, who by the way, had just had surgery and part of. And as you write in the book, book, his mouth was paralyzed like he couldn't even speak as. And even his wife, his wife confirmed that, that he couldn't even speak. He could barely even mumble. So but he had this whole conversation about Iran Contra with Bob Woodward, right?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

And then after, after I came out and stirred the pot on this one with, with the evidence, eyewitness evidence, they asked Woodward, there's this CI officer that's come out and said that you never got in there and, and that that conversation never happened. And Woodward's response, and this is out there, if people can Google it, his response was Well, I don't really remember all the events. You don't remember one of the biggest events in American history. Okay. With my. I have a master's in detective detection of deception. That's called an obvious lie, you know. So, hey, you wrote about it.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

You. But you can't remember. Hey, maybe Bob, Bob, maybe you should go read your own book because you wrote about it.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

I have an idea for a book. I'm gonna, I'm gonna write a book about Bob Woodward and call it Fraud because he loves to just use one word. Is his, his titles of his books?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

That'd be good.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

It's amazing because if you think about it, you know, you think, oh, he's. And in the early days, he gets assigned to this story and he has almost, I mean, no experience whatsoever. And neither does Bernstein have any experience. He was writing, I think, like covering like low level crime stories, stories in Washington D.C. for the Washington Post. And so these two guys get put on the biggest story of all time. That's very convenient.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah. And, and even Ben Bradley came out and said that he, he always bothered him that someday some, some attorneys or journalists are going to walk into his office about Bob Woodward's fraud. Because even Ben Bradlee was like, where did this come from? This is a low level. He said he'd only been there six months and all of a sudden, boom, He's. They come to him with this huge story of Deep Throat who wasn't. Turns out it was probably Mark Felt, who was the deputy Director of the FBI, that was the source. But anyway, I mean, it's clear.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Can you just talk about the Mark Felt piece for a second? Because this blue. I didn't know this. In your book, you, you, you talk about how most people only know of him as Deep Throat, maybe this like, national hero, but most people don't realize that he had actually been been.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Found.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Guilty of violating civil rights of Americans. He was actually found guilty. Not only that, not only that, but he was passed over for the top job at the FBI by Nixon, which I didn't realize. So he was passed over for this job at the FBI by Nixon, which gives him the perfect motive. Motive to want to get rid of Nixon. Right. That's correct. Oh my gosh, the web we weave, it's, it's, it's remarkable. When you look right now at the tentacles of this shadow government and how it's operating, what are your biggest concerns? Maybe blind spots that, that maybe we're missing right now.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

My biggest concern, I just I did a speech on this three months ago. My biggest concern is the CIA's control of Silicon Valley and several silicon companies. For example, Palantir. Palantir, as you guys know, was created by the CIA, CIA analysts, CIA funding through the CIA's operational arm in Q Tel. And Palantir is still working for the CIA on a colossal, you guys know, the surveillance program and maven being part of that. The CIA now has, and this is two years old data. The CIA two years ago had 2,000 contracts with Silicon Valley companies. Three and 300 more that were classified. Now this, this is how in Q Tel and the CIA does it. They go into a Silicon Valley company, whether it be Palantir or some of the others, and they say, we're really interested in your technology. We'll give you a 50 million dollar seed fund to start your company. Now we have some classified work that you can do as part of this contract for 50 million. But you're going to have to sign our secrecy agreement to have access to the information for this program. Program. And once they sign that thing, they're bound for life from ever talking about anything classified on that program, good, bad or ugly. So my biggest concern is the CIA's penetration and control of Silicon Valley companies. They're in. Oracle was formed by the CIA. These are on President Trump's Stargate panel for converting the US government to artificial intelligence. Larry Ellison of Oracle. Oracle was created by the CIA and the CIA gave it the name Oracle. Connected to the CI. Amazon is connected to the CIA with Amazon cloud with a $600 million contract. Palantir, of course, which is becoming a monster, is connected to the CIA. So, and now the CIA has the new directorate for, for digital innovation, meaning they're taking control of this whole thing in terms of mass surveillance, AI and government, and essentially the functionality of our government and surveillance programs. They're taking the whole thing over. Taking. They've taken the whole thing over. Over now and they have absolute control of that. That should scare everyone. It certainly scares me. So that's.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

That is, well, the digital id. The digital id, all of it, all, all this digital surveillance. Do we have any privacy anymore?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

No, privacy is dead. I think anybody. The first thing I think people need to understand is don't bother trying to, to be private or keep your information private. What I did when I came out is everything I do say I made public because they have it anyway. They're bugging all of us through our phones, they're collecting our emails, they're collecting our texts, they're collecting our phone calls and they're collecting. Anybody that is cc'd or on our emails or texts, they're collecting all of that. Much of it is stored in the Utah database through the nsa, and also much of it is stored with Palantir, who is now getting into medical information also. So they have it all. There is no privacy. Privacy is dead. Freedom of speech, essentially, and regard to this category is dead. And people need to understand that. I'm in a little off grid farm, hidden down in the woods for a reason, but I don't consider myself private down here either, because they have the ability to listen to people without even going into their house. The technology is so advanced. So no, sadly, privacy, which is so important to freedom is gone now.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

We've been talking about 6G, which is coming very, very soon. You know, we talk about 5G. I just did a whole report about this. President Trump, though, the other day, kind of let the cat out of the bag that with 6G comes their ability to monitor your body through walls. They know exactly where you are. They're able to see down to the cellular level, basically to the bone structure of your body. Using 6G. Because 6G will be omnipresent. It's, you know, it's not one, one big tower. It'll be all like little tiny towers all, all around us. And a viewer, a viewer the other day wrote me and said, clayton, how do we opt out of this? And I said, I don't think you can. I think even if you moved to Alaska, maybe in the woods of Alaska, where there's no towers around, maybe that's your only choice. Or maybe Wyoming or something.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah, maybe. But then you've got spy satellites that, that can find you and read your license plate and then do facial recognition from space. So if they, if they want you for some reason, they, they'll get at you. In terms of surveillance, mass surveillance, there's never been anything like this in the history of mankind. And it's chilling.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

One of the things I've been talking about with James Martinez and other whistleblowers about Palantir is basically the control of our mind by these companies like Palantir and these big data companies. And unless it goes to court at the consciousness level, you're, you know, basically protecting our ability to have our own thoughts with directed energy weapons, with MK Ultra programs.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Right.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, it's, it's almost getting hard to know constitutionally, like, what are my own thoughts anymore, because I've talked to MK Ultra whistleblowers who have had their lives turned upside down. They've had, I mean, directed energy weapons targeting their families and awful, awful thoughts. Things maybe you can talk about. Maybe you can talk about that piece of this with the CIA and MK Ultra. Is MK Ultra dead? Or is it very much alive under another name?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

It's alive under another name now. It's not doing the same old, old technology that it was doing back there, which was shock treatment, lsd, mescaline, in some cases, sexual abuse to try to alter people's consciousness. Are they still engaging in that kind of thing? I. I don't know. I mean, that stuff is so compartmented that the director of the CIA now would not know it. But I can tell you in my own case, when. When I came out and we filed suit against the CIA, and since I had the authority, I got my attorney, Clint, a hero. I got him a clearance to look at what toxins are in the house for our insurance company. Well, the agency gave him a clearance. The agency will not give your attorney a clearance. You can only use their attorney. And all your information has go to them before the case goes any further. Now, I knew that. So. And. And this. This is, you know, parts of this in the book. So I went and I said, look, I'm filing sued against the insurance company for something in toxins in the house, and I need to get my attorney cleared. I put in the paperwork, and they cleared it within 24 hours. And then Clint and I went back and filed suit against them in court for personal injury. And that's where the fun started. And our family was surveilled. They were. They were surveilling us from the woods. They bu. The house. They painted a chemical. I found mycotoxins in the ceiling that only my attorney and I knew about. They broke into the house and painted a chemical over the mycotoxins. They didn't realize I had a black light. A UV light exposes these toxins and makes them glow this green, bright green. We went back in there to look at the toxins, and there were paint brushes of the chemical. They didn't know I had a black light where they had painted that over there. And Clint took me aside. He goes, we need to talk. We went out, we sat down this little picnic table, and he goes, man, this is like Three Days of the Condor. I'm like, I know. Oh, this is getting really ugly. This is. These are American. We're American citizens. This is my family. We're in the United States. And they're doing this Stuff, I was shocked that, that they would actually do this, but I found out they've been doing it with impunity for quite some time. And there are whistleblowers out there who will never be heard from, and probably some are not alive today that are like unsung heroes, but because of the control that they use now, they try to stop these things. So it's evil, really. What they're doing at those levels is evil. When you got an organization that's based on lying and deception and plausible deniability, you can't expect them to do anything moral or ethical, because that kind of tyranny goes dark every time.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Would they consider themselves American patriots.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

In the lower levels? Yes. I know all of us when we were on, up on the seventh floor and in the Counter espionage group and other things, we considered ourselves patriots. I mean, I loved America. I signed up for the CIA when Ronald Reagan was president, and his presidency kind of gave me hope that, hey, maybe there's going to be a good government. So I started in the Agency, then found out eventually how wrong I was about the CIA. So at the upper levels, no, it's about protecting the CIA at all costs and expanding its power at all costs, including murder, as we have seen with JFK and rfk. So it's that top level that they're not patriots. And as I said earlier in the interview, they don't believe in the US Constitution. They believe in covert operations and their version, not ours, their version of national security.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah, I was going to ask you this, but when you see some of these big events that we've seen recently, like the death of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, this guy, Tyler Robinson appeared in court the other day, and he's kind of saying a lot of weird things. You had, like, lip readers watching his mouth saying, this is clearly like an MK Ultra guy. The guy Thomas Matthew Crooks, who tried to assassinate President Trump, allegedly disappears, body burned, before members of Congress have a chance to come and actually examine it. The crime scene totally wiped away. Does that sound similar to what you experienced at the CIA?

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Exactly. It's operations 101. That's exactly how they do it.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

So with a guy like, because it's worked, a guy like Tyler Robinson who's sitting there in court, like we're going to actually see him on a televised in court, what do you, what would you be looking for with your vast history in the CIA to know that this guy is. He's an MK Ultra asset. He's. He's a mom, he's a mind controlled kid. He didn't do this.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Yeah. And I humbly, I was certified as an expert in behavior analysis. When I encounter espionage, reading people's behavior and eventually doing polygraphs and that kind of thing and studying people's behavior. You're going to see things with him as we have with others that are just not normal. Normal. Something's wrong with their mind. You know, he's not, he, he's not a criminal who's belligerent or stirring up things in court just like the Aurora killer. They're just something, something's wrong with their mind. And many of them have no criminal background whatsoever in the case of Tyler Robinson. And all of a sudden they do these horrific things. And. And although I have not seen this from within the CIA, I am convinced MK Ulur is still alive and directed energy weapons are still alive. I think they used it on my son. We talked about this before because he just snapped. When I first went public, he just snapped. He was a bright kid who wanted to follow my footsteps and be a cop or an intelligence officer. And not only did they hit him, what was in the house hit him so hard his immune system was destroyed. Mentally. He just went into PTSD and hasn't come out since. So these things are happening and I've seen them personally. And that's the darkness that's at the top of the agency and these programs that they engage in because they get away with it. Because of the tyranny of secrecy I call it. They get away with it. Congress doesn't know about it. The American people who are paying for it don't know about it. They do this with impunity.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Kevin Shipping. The book is called Twilight of the Shadow Government. Highly encourage all of you to go out and buy this book. It's absolutely eye opening. Read all of Kevin's books though. By the way, don't just stop there. Kevin, thank you for your patriotism. Thank you for your honesty. Thank you for your bravery and thank you for joining us.

[Kevin Shipp (CIA Whistleblower, Guest)]

Thank you, Clayton. I really appreciate your show.

[Clayton (Interviewer/Host)]

Thank you.

[Ad Reader/Announcer]

With the state of today's economy, it is more important than ever to invest in products that last for years to come. Come. As the seasons shift and get cooler. Make sure your closet is stocked with durable layers that stand the test of time. From American Giant. American Giant's clothes work harder and are wearable season after season. Their greatest hoodie ever made is made of the highest quality materials that are cut and sewn right here in the United States. So you're investing right back into your local community. Choosing American Giant means taking a stand for American manufacturing and hard working working Americans. Something other mega corporations don't care about. From fleece to knit, all in a range of colors for versatile daily wear, American Giant delivers everyday pieces designed for everyday life. Feel the difference of quality made to last clothes from American Giant Get 20% off your first order with code [e-mail] that's 20% off your first order at american-giant.com with code STAPLE.

Marriott Bonvoy is the official hotel partner of U.S. soccer. Join Marriott Bonvoy today to get closer to the game with exclusive perks, unforgettable experiences and benefits that go beyond the pitch. Springhill Suites, part of Marriott Bonvoy, offers complimentary hot breakfast and spacious all suite accommodations perfect for the whole team with room for up to six guests. Make your next getaway a win. Learn more at springhillsweets.marriott.com did you know?

39% of teen drivers admit to texting while driving. Even scarier, those who text are more likely to speed and run red lights. Shockingly, 94% know it's dangerous, but do it anyway. As a parent, you can't always be in the car, but you can stay connected to their safety with Greenlight Infinity's driving reports. Monitor their driving habits, see if they're using their phone, speeding and more. These reports provide real data for meaningful conversations about safety. Plus, with weekly updates, you can track their progress over time, help keep your teen safe. Sign up for Greenlight [e-mail] podcast.