Clayton Morris (2:51)

Also, a reporter's home. A Washington Post reporter's home was raided by the FBI. I guess we're throwing out the United States Constitution now and protections for the. For Journal. It is interesting. And we're gonna talk about this and unpack it, because the Washington Post, of course, is really an extension of the CIA. It is. The CIA is basically. It's its own newsroom, for crying out loud. So you wonder why the FBI would.

Natalie (3:18)

Need to do that.

Clayton Morris (3:19)

Yeah, just call up your friends in the CIA, like, almost. The Washington Post operates that way.

Natalie (3:24)

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Clayton Morris (3:50)

Keep them. Keep them protected. Yes, please, at all costs. All right, well, we've got a lot of news to get to today, but first.

Natalie (3:58)

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Clayton Morris (5:24)

Well, someone in the chat room just says, clayton, there may be propaganda on the Iran uprising, but worse propaganda is denying the uprising popularity and denying regime behavior. Well, we've never done that at all. Just a matter of should the United States be bombing that country in order to help uprisers? We'll talk more about that in a.

Natalie (5:43)

Second because one of the ways that I'd like to lay it out is do you think the country that has sanctioned them into mass destruction is their savior? Who would logically think that Stockholm syndrome. Right. So again, yes, we can support something, but what does that mean? So we're gonna talk about that right this second.

Clayton Morris (6:02)

Well, Russian President Putin just issued a full throated warning to the United States and Israel against attacking Iran. Putin said any attack would be a grave mistake and come with devastating consequences. Russia has cautioned the United States over attacking Iran. It has said that the threats of new military strikes on Iran are categorically unacceptable. Moscow has slammed Washington in what it calls a subversive external interference in Tehran's internal politics. Well, you'll recall that Putin, of course, doesn't bluff. And all Russians have now been removed and left Israel. And according to sources, of course Putin was absolutely furious about the way that Israel handed the Syria situation, of course felt in fact totally betrayed by Netanyahu over what happened in Syria. Here we now have Russia sent multiple large freight flights into Tehran over the past few days, including another one today. Could that be why President Trump is now saying that the killing is winding down? Listen, just a few minutes ago.

Philip (7:10)

Sorry, I don't have it.

Clayton Morris (7:12)

Oh, okay. Meanwhile, well, so President Trowell just paraphrased what he said just a few minutes ago. He said that. He said, oh, we just got on good authority that the killing has now stopped, basically all but stopped. We have that on good authority when A reporter asked about that.

Natalie (7:30)

It's winding down. It's winding down like the end of your coffee.

Clayton Morris (7:35)

It's amazing how you would actually know that, by the way, unless the CIA and Mossad was actively involved in actually stoking a lot of this violence, but okay. Nevertheless. Meanwhile, the propagandists are using the same old script ripped from the exact same playbook they've used countless times to sell us a war in Iran. Pro Zionist protests. Account accounts sharing fake death numbers out of Iran. So called MAGA influencers sharing fake protest videos. Are there real protests? Yes, of course there were. Are we being told the truth about what's happened? No, we're not. Mark Levin posted this. Just spoke with a friend who managed to reach Iraqi Kurdistan. This is what he told me. The number of people killed is far higher than the 12,000. The massacre is beyond horrific.

Natalie (8:17)

Oh, 12,000 deaths bother him. Who's gonna tell him about Gaza?

Clayton Morris (8:21)

No, they don't care. They're able to compartmentalize this stuff. Laura Loomer, new video from Iran. She shares a video of body bags on the streets. An Iranian friend of mine just sent me this footage from Iran. So many. Nearly 20,000 Iranians have been murdered by the regime for protesting for their freedom. Streets are lined with dead bodies and body bags. There aren't enough body bags to keep up with the death toll. And she posts.

Chat Participant (8:46)

Funny how all these.

Clayton Morris (8:48)

Go ahead.

Chat Participant (8:48)

I was gonna say, funny how all these people all of a sudden have Iranian friends.

Clayton Morris (8:52)

Yeah, it is true. She's got lots of friends in Iran. So all of the people who cried about the fake genocide she posts in Gaza for two years are awfully quiet right now. But the massacre of 15,000 innocent Iranians this week, it's a straight up cult. Of course, Loomer is conveniently leaving out the part where Mossad is playing a very heavy hand in these protests. According to our sources, Mossad has killed many people on both the Iranian security forces side and the civilian side. But she's just conveniently ignoring that. And that part of the story. In fact, Israel's Channel 14, Israel's own media reporting that Mossad is literally arming people here. We reported Tonight on channel 14. This is Israeli, by the way. We reported Tonight on Channel 14, foreign actors are arming the protesters in Iran with live firearms, which is the reason for the hundreds of regime personnel killed. Everyone is free to guess who was behind it. That's one part of the story. The other part of the story, of course, is about the impending military action. Quite a few reports surfacing today saying, suggesting, Reuters suggesting within 24 hours the United States is about to bomb Iran. But remember, Trump likes to bomb countries over the weekend when the markets are closed, like Friday into Saturday morning, like last time, when the oil markets are closed and the stock market is closed. So for more on all of this to try to understand really what's happening there, we want to bring in Anya Parampil from the Gray Zone. She was recently in Iran. She's been covering the story heavily and she is the author of Corporate Venezuela and the End of US Empire, doing a great job obviously covering the Venezuela portion of the story as well. Anya, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.

Anya Parampil (10:30)

Nice to see you guys. Hi Natalie and hi Clayton.

Clayton Morris (10:32)

Hello there. So, you know, people in the chat room, it's like, well, you cannot disregard the popular uprising. Right? That's the line, right. You can't disregard the actual on the ground uprising and how people are being treated there. Why are you ignoring that? And we're not ignoring it at all, but we're just pointing out the US Involvement in it anyway. That's just a side note here. But what do you see happening on the ground right now? Like, what is the truth coming out of Iran at this hour?

Anya Parampil (11:05)

People who want to point out obvious grievances that the Iranian population may have or struggles that may bring them out into the street should start by asking themselves why Iranians were first demonstrating earlier this year. Essentially what happened was at the turn of the, at the new year, which is not their new year, but it is for us people. Mostly poor working class merchants in Iran went into the streets in order to protest rising inflation and a worsening economic situation in the country. We can discuss how sanctions have ravaged them since their 1979 Islamic Revolution and how the United States openly admits to using sanctions as a weapon in order to bring countries like Iran to its knees. The there's Richard Nephew, the former Obama era State Department official who actually wrote a book bragging about how through his negotiation and crafting the maximum pressure campaign on Iran that pushed Iran to the negotiating table to give up its nuclear program or agreed to more restraints and monitoring from the international community that he, for example, was able to manipulate the price of butter in Russia or that he was able to manipulate the price of meat and chicken and things in Iran that people needed for their New Year's celebration when they celebrate in May. So US Officials have admitted that they've purposefully crafted policy in order to do what we see now, which is bring people into the streets. But it's important to note that those initial antigovernment demonstrations that were again, focused on economic issues were actually based on what we've been able to report at the gray zone and through analyzing sources and discussing with our sources on the ground. Those demonstrations were initially held by people that were pro government or even conservative, more conservative than the liberal government currently in power. And the government, including the Ayatollah, actually made concessions and said that they had legitimate grievances. The president possession also said that he took responsibility for making decisions that may have led to these sort of protests. And so these demonstrations began to fizzle out. And what happened was then suddenly this violent element appeared in the. And now for the past few days, there's been a kind of a blackout of information coming out of Iran, partially because the government has cut the Internet. They say this is part of an effort to track Mossad agents and American CIA connected individuals in Iran that they are now trying to weed out through monitoring communication that's coming from the international community. And the videos that have come out include riotous demonstrations, attacks on mosques. They've burned down multiple important religious buildings in the country, fired upon police officers. There's reports of crowds lynching police officers in the streets. And so what looks to have happened is that the situation went from a legitimate, peaceful protest. And now what we're seeing, much like what happened in Syria in 2011, is an element with outside support coming in to destabilize the country and also bring a response from the government that then prompts the United States and its allies in the region to say, look, now we can intervene because the government has acted against its people.

Natalie (14:41)

So what do you say of this rhetoric, which is heavily promoted on Instagram and TikTok, that these are oppressed people, they are protesting the hijab, they want to live like the rest of us. And this is otherwise organic. And they're risking their lives because they are normally oppressed and killed on a regular basis. You were in Iran just less than a year ago. Was that your experience? These really backwater oppressed people, shoeless and, you know, no rights for women on the hijab front.

Anya Parampil (15:14)

By the time I made it to Iran in May of last year, they were not enforcing covering. In Tehran and Ispahan, I was in two major cities. And unless I was in an official government or state building, for example, when I went to the press TV offices to do interviews at the state media channel, I was asked to wear a hijab. But otherwise, when I was in cafes When I was in the street, when I was in restaurants, hotel lobbies, whatever, I did not have to wear a hijab. And that was the case when I went out. That Iranian women in general have begun to take off the scarf. And really, I think the government made a decision that taking that issue off the table for the west was, for them a good decision because. Or a worthwhile calculation, because the most obvious point of repression that we've heard about in the west for all these years is that women are not able to make choices about what they wear. And they're changing in that regard. But it's coming from the people there, not any of this outside, violent Mossad. You have Mike Pompeo, the Secretary of State, former Secretary of State of the United States, tweet that he wishes luck to all the Mossad agents marching alongside the Iranian protesters in the street. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that tweet. But the US Officials currently in power that are working so closely with Netanyahu to carry out what's really Israel's aligned, Israel's best policy for the region, are openly talking about their support for these demonstrations. You had Rick Renell, an envoy of Trump, saying that he smuggled gay and lesbian people out of Iran, which is an odd admission from a US Government official. So when you have that level of outside pressure, I think it actually takes away from whatever legitimate movements do exist on the ground. The people of Iran will. It's just the natural progression of human history, gain their own rights, but they'll do it on their own terms. And we can't even judge their society because, honestly, it is different than ours, that we can't understand that. They're just in a different process. They're on a different timeline for these things, and we are, and we can't force it. In fact, the more we get involved, I think then the more it gives the state an excuse to crack down or not have any other room for debate.

Natalie (17:44)

Now, something Anya and I have joked about is that we both have what they call, in the broadcast world, global face. So if you were walking around in Iran without a hijab, you could pass as Iranian. That's my assessment. So no one's gonna say you were given this foreigner pass. Right. And so if you were comfortable like that, that's a real data point that really says that shuts down all of these feminist talking points as illegitimate.

Anya Parampil (18:12)

Yeah. And if you. You can go online, it's very Max, always. Before we went to Iran, he was looking up these videos and so he's encouraged viewers to also check out online. You can just search walking around a mall in Iran or streams of people walking in the market. And it'll just be someone filming their casual stroll through a crowd. And you'll see that many of the women are not covered. So this is not just my personal story or something that I can say based on my experience. It was based on talking to women there, and it was based on talking to or based on just gathering this evidence in these videos ahead of time to see what we should expect. When we went to Iran and on the women's issue, like women anywhere else, the women that I spoke to in Iran were concerned about the economy. They're worried about the fact that they have to work constantly and then can't. And all of their money goes to paying for their housing and their food and childcare and that they can't save. Their complaints sound a lot like the complaints that we face in the United States. And the best way to address those concerns of the average Iranian woman, I think the best thing any American could do is to say lift the sanctions on the Iranian people, because that's pretty much all we can do. We have no business doing anything else or forcing our ways on them.

Clayton Morris (19:37)

So I just want to go back to. Before we let you go, Anya, just the idea that the body bags on the streets, there's just so much misinformation pouring out of there right now. You're hearing the likes of the pro Zionist, pro Israel crowd, the Israel's first crowd, like the Laura Loomers, Mark Levin types, who absolutely want this regime change war. They're absolutely ignoring, of course, the Mossad intervention and involvement in all of this, which has been confirmed on the Israeli side. I don't know why they're just ignoring that. Conveniently. It's very interesting, but do you have specific numbers that you know about? Exactly how many people have been killed? Who's doing the killing?

Anya Parampil (20:19)

I think right now it's very difficult to make any claims that we know based on numbers coming out of Iran because I can barely be in contact with the people that I know there because of the. The black difficulties. Yeah, because the blackout and because of just one of the contacts that we've interviewed on the Gray Zone regularly. Satara he people may have seen her. She's very vocal on X. Her neighbor was killed in one of these attacks. So everybody's kind of in flux there. And it's hard to. It's hard to know what information or in terms of numbers is Correct. But I will say that we saw the CBS News, newly controlled by Bari Weiss issue. Some claim that 20,000 or 22,000 people had been killed. I would say that that's probably a gross overestimation. But with the way things are looking now, with this increased violent action in the streets, people with guns, people setting fire to buildings, that is very dangerous. And so I'm sure we will see body bags and we will see confrontations. But we will have to ask, how did, how, how did it get to this point? Who are the people coming in with the guns and causing the chaos? If we see somebody crying over a dead relative, we need to ask, well, who actually killed their relative? Was it the state or was it these violent militias that have suddenly appeared in the country? Are we looking at a repeat of citizens Syria? That I think is what's possibly going to play out in Iran over the next few months because it's easier for the US and Israel to go that route than to just start an aggressive bombing campaign. Now. I think they want to act in this window that they have with Trump and Netanyahu in power. This is the last country that they would like to topple while both of them are still around. And so it seems right now that they are, they are greasing the gears for a Syria style CIA covert backed civil war scenario in Iran. And so I just hope that it can be nipped in the bud and that we don't see something as devastating play out in Iran as we saw in Syria.

Clayton Morris (22:34)

Yeah, it's, I mean, it's unbelievable when you see what's happening right now.

Natalie (22:38)

It's almost. But it's a hard place for journalists to be because we can see the sources of these numbers, the National Endowment, come on, they're the ones who started the war in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland is currently an ambassador. We cannot put any stock in that. We can't put any stock into the State Department run numbers or any Washington based group. And so we have to wait. And so for the rest of us as news consumers, when you see someone who is repeating these lines, you need to dig your heels in and say, I'm gonna wait. That's all we can really do right now, right?

Anya Parampil (23:12)

Always look at the source. As you mentioned, a lot of those higher death tolls have come from organizations funded by the National Endowment for Democracy and other US Government funded groups. We just did a report about that at the Gray Zone authored by Max Blumenthal, my husband, and our colleague Wyatt Reid. And then again beyond that is if we are dealing with high death toll. A high death toll. We have to ask, were. Were there actual violent exchanges between militias and the military or the police? Because that is the situation that appears to be growing now in the streets. Is this an actual civil strife scenario? So if there are high death, eventually we are looking at high death numbers. We have to ask again, where did these guns, where did the violence come from? And history seems to repeat itself in that region. And I think we could guess where those guns would come from.

Clayton Morris (24:08)

Well, and we're hearing directly from the Israelis there are Israeli media covering it, and the United States media is not covering it. The Israeli media is telling us that Mossad is in Iran and they've been arming. Not only. I mean, they've been arming both sides. It's like, hey, you want a gun? You want a gun? Hey, let's have some fun here. Let's carry on. Let's create this chaos right now. The CIA, Mossad, actively involved in this. I mean, why do you think the US Media is totally not covering that part of the story, but the Israeli media is?

Anya Parampil (24:39)

It's an odd question, but I guess it might have to do with the fact that the Israelis feel that they have nothing to hide and that they can be more honest with their population about their goals and how they operate. I mean, look at how they talk about the genocide in Gaza over the past few years while the US was maybe ignoring it or trying to find a nice way to spin it. Israelis just speak and nasty language where they. They tell it like it is, which is, you know, as an American, I guess I appreciate it because we get to hear the quiet part out loud in Israeli media. And I think at this point they're pretty proud of the fact that they own us and that Netanyahu can come here and tell our president how high to jump.

Clayton Morris (25:17)

Yeah.

Natalie (25:18)

One more thing I wanted to ask is that the massive amounts of people who were marching in the street, many of them were peaceful this week in Tehran. And the media is spinning this as anti government propaganda or anti government protests. And then the Guardian admits that these were actually pro government marchers. And the way the Guardian spun it was that the regime sort of recruited people to march on its behalf, which is an unwilling admission that those people were marching for the government. So can you tell us what is the temperature of people who would march for. For the government? Not necessarily because they love everything about the government, but because what I would surmise is that they want sovereignty.

Anya Parampil (26:09)

Exactly. They want sovereignty. And that's more important to them than any of the issues the United States can project on the scenario. But again, the initial economic demonstrations were held by this class of people that generally are pro government. You're talking about the working poor. That's the base of the. The hardline or more principalist Islamic State. It's only when you are dealing with the upper class that you're getting more liberal, cosmopolitan people that are connected to the outside that would actually want to change the government. Those weren't the people that were initially in the streets, and now the people in the streets with, with the guns and, and that are actually attacking government buildings are a different crowd altogether. So, yes, those initial demonstrations, it's possible as. As we know as Americans to protest your government without wanting to overthrow it. And so there were people that were there protesting for their specific issues or things that they wanted to advocate for within their own governmental framework or their own societal framework. And then these outside actors or paid actors came in and destabilized the situation. And again, now are going to fire upon the government, try and get an exchange and then try to get some energy behind a foreign intervention in the country. And so no matter what propaganda Americans are get in the coming days, which could be quite extreme, I just hope that we can resist the urge to go in. But it also looks as though, according to US Media reports, that Trump might want to start bombing earlier rather than later. So anything is possible at this point point, like I said, because Trump and Netanyahu only have a small window. I think Trump would like to wrap this up before we get into the midterm political season in the United States. So we only have a few more weeks, really, before that starts.

Clayton Morris (28:06)

Well, then just think about the tens of thousands of Americans who were at these military bases all throughout the region. President Biden, you'll recall, said it wasn't a matter of if they would be killed and attacked, it's a matter of what, when. So he knows that they're just being used as cannon fodder right now. So Americans sitting there as sitting ducks getting ready to be attacked. Who knows what hell will be unleashed in the next few days. Anya, Par and Pill, great coverage as always over at the Gray Zone. Thank you so much for joining us today and providing your perspective. Great to see you.

Anya Parampil (28:37)

Always good to see you guys.

Clayton Morris (28:38)

Thanks, Anya. So funny to see, like, the chat room, like, going back and forth because you get the. You absolutely get the. The. Like the Fox News propagandists.

Natalie (28:49)

Yeah, no, absolutely. Iran, they're like, we need to solve.

Clayton Morris (28:54)

It, I would like to point out terrorism, okay.

Philip (28:58)

To anybody, anybody that feels that way that's looking at this like, well, we should step in. What is the success rate of US intervention and regime change?

Natalie (29:07)

Yeah.

Philip (29:08)

Post World War II, when has it worked? Ukraine, how are they doing? We got involved in that. Are they doing okay?

Clayton Morris (29:15)

Vietnam.

Philip (29:17)

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen.

Clayton Morris (29:22)

By the way, Gaddafi, his daughter today published a report. Did you see that?

Natalie (29:26)

No.

Clayton Morris (29:26)

She said, she told the Iran, she said don't. I was like, don't get in bed with the Wolf. You will be killed.

Derek Brose (29:33)

Right.

Clayton Morris (29:33)

You know, don't, don't, do not make a deal with the United States and Israel. You will be, you will be killed.

Natalie (29:38)

Right.

Clayton Morris (29:38)

You can't be trusted.

Natalie (29:39)

But no, people who, you know, go on online chat rooms, they know about the Iranian oppression and they know exactly how to solve it.

Philip (29:47)

But that's, I guess that's kind of what I'm getting at is even if, even if it's true, us getting involved almost guarantees a failure if you want.

Natalie (29:54)

Hurting them willingly for over a decade.

Philip (29:56)

Exactly.

Natalie (29:57)

Yeah.

Philip (29:57)

So like good, like actual regime change comes when the people get sick of it and they cast off the people that are ruling over them. That will last. If we get involved, then it just doesn't because then we just taint it with all of our like and actually we're going to bring in BlackRock to buy up all of your properties and we're going to bring, you know, it's like it just, it's not unconditional, it just never worked.

Clayton Morris (30:17)

I was speaking to a source today in Tel Aviv about this exact scenario and I said what's going to happen is if they go in, they're going to have this, you know, the CIA backed government of course, and run and run and what'll happen is they'll hand over the keys to the IMF and the World bank and that's exactly what happened for the rebuilding process. I mean look at Ukraine right now. Ukraine is, it's sold off country to the IMF and the World Bank. The west owns Ukraine. This was all part of the plan, Right. So you have blackrock, you have all of these multinationals that are in there that own almost all of Ukraine now. So this is the plan, this is what they want for Iran, Right.

Chat Participant (30:52)

Well then don't forget Iran is the third largest oil.

Clayton Morris (30:58)

Reserve, right.

Chat Participant (31:00)

Venezuelan and something one of these, these.

Natalie (31:03)

Chats says, well, we're always involved. Yes, but there is a way to be involved as a non interventionalist and just, just do business. As a business partner, I think that's what the Trump administration has laid out for Qatar. And so there is. We don't need to bomb them in order to do business with them. There is a way to do that. So pretending there's not. The book that Anya mentioned, the Art of Sanctions, by Richard Nephew, who put sanctions on Iran under Obama in order to pressure them against their nuclear program. It's demonic. You should read it. I mean, he basically sat there in his cushy little office ordering Starbucks while talking about starving young children and making sure that, you know, little kids with strep can't get antibiotics. And that would result in regime change that they wanted. So you cannot pretend that we haven't been purposely hurting them and then turn around and be like, we'll save them. That's. We're the right people. This is the right. How can you say that? Only a stupid person, an unstudied person would say that.

Clayton Morris (32:05)

Well, fortunately, almost the majority of our chat room is on board with us on this.

Natalie (32:10)

Is studied and not stupid.

Clayton Morris (32:11)

Studied and not stupid.

Natalie (32:12)

Way to go.

Clayton Morris (32:13)

But, yeah, I mean, and look, you gotta deal with. Right now, you're gonna deal with a lot of disinformation and propaganda. So just be careful about that, right?

Natalie (32:22)

This moral equivalency, people who are like, you didn't speak up about Gaza, but you're saying this. You're saying this, but you said something about Gaza. This is a whole new thing. And you have uncorroborated numbers. So stand down right now until, you know and relieve yourself of the idea that the United States, which has been hurting this country, is its savior. That's, I think, where we should start.

Clayton Morris (32:44)

All right. We got a lot more guests to get to coming up here on the show, but before we do that, let's tell you, well, we're going to talk about Epstein's, the Clintons evading the Epstein testimony. And we're also going to talk about the FBI raiding a reporter's home at the Washington Post. Plus, we're going to talk about Venezuela and its new technocratic future with our friend Derek Brose is going to be joining us in a moment, in a few moments.

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Clayton Morris (35:51)

Watch.

Representative James Comer (35:52)

We're going to hold both Clintons in criminal contempt of Congress. We believe that because this subpoena was issued In a bipartisan fashion. The Democrats. Actually, the day that the subpoenas were voted on in the subcommittee, like they wanted the Clintons to come because they. At that time, if you go back, they were wanting me to subpoena the estate, which I did. We subpoenaed the state and got all the documents, everything. That was what the victims asked. That's what the Democrats asked. I think that's what the American people wanted. We subpoenaed the state, got 100% of the documents. I have subpoenaed the Department of Justice and Pam Bondi for the documents, documents which they are producing now. We don't like the speed. We all wish the documents would come in quicker, but we've gotten tens of thousands of pages of documents from the Department of Justice. And remember, they made a big document drop.

Natalie (36:42)

Okay, let's go ahead and pause that here. He later says he was going to continue to pursue them. He also says he intends to depose Ghislaine Maxwell. So we'll have something. I think here is Representative Tim Burchett, and he is just beside himself, not only for what happened, but how the press would not allow him to continue to. To prod this issue even further. Watch him walking out of Congress today in utter despair.

Philip (37:12)

Hey, everybody.

Tim Burchett (37:12)

Tim Burchett just left a. We're trying to. They subpoenaed Bill and Hillary Clinton on the Epstein situation. Of course, they no showed. You know, my buddy Steve Ban Shannon and Peter Navarro didn't show up, and they got sent to prison. That's a double standard. And I'll tell you, the bigger double standard is when I mentioned that in the press conference. I wish we'd had it on film, but the press just put their cameras down immediately. When I said that, I looked across the front row, three or four of them, right, like that. It's.

Representative James Comer (37:49)

It's.

Tim Burchett (37:49)

These cards are very much stacked against us and just justice. And the Clintons, of course, they thumb their nose at justice because they're allowed to. They've been allowed to since they were in Arkansas, and they're going to continue to do it. And it's really a shame that that's the. The pinnacle of success for the Democrat Party, really, is that bunch. But that's what we're dealing with. And of course, they had a paid agitator out there yelling at us during this thing and during the press conference and just pathetic, really. But that's where the left is right now. Thank you all for sending me.

Natalie (38:31)

All right, so what do we want to learn from The Clintons, I mean, obviously, they don't have to be honest. We would hope that they would, but we know that the Clintons were close friends with Epstein. We know that Bill Clinton was on the plane several times and at the island. We don't have proof that the Clinton Justice Department ignored Epstein, but it would be really weird if he wasn't on their radar. And we would like very much to know what the government did to suppress any investigation of his crimes before the Bush administration when he finally did get on their radar. So what's gonna happen, Clayton? What? I mean, let's sort of. If we were. If it were just us normies who ignored a congressional subpoena. Bad news.

Clayton Morris (39:13)

But, yeah, we'd be locked up, of course. But of course, they'll. Slick Willie. That's why he gets the name Slick Willie, of course, because he will evade this. There will, of course, be some sort of precedent presidential immunity. But where does Hillary Clinton come down on that? Does she get any of Slick Willie's oil for being. For any sort of presidential immunity? I don't know. But the other day, it was interesting to think about Dan Bongino, what he said before he became FBI. Dan Bongino, you know, he said he had it on very good authority from someone with impeccable. Impeccable credentials that he was on a flight with Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, and the things that he saw on that flight were very weird, very off, very troubling. If only you became an FBI agent where you could have investigated that and gotten information about that. So will we learn more about this? I don't know.

Natalie (40:13)

Okay. I mean, let's. Let's just go. Go through what is supposed to happen. If you ignore a subpoena, you can be compelled to testify. You can face fines, you can face criminal contempt and even jail time. That could happen. What are the tools at the dispo, at the disposal of the Clintons that could make that not happen? I don't know. Is it just the will of Congress? I mean, if you. I mean, it's pretty impotent Congress right now. We have just these few Vera people. We're gonna keep going with this gross analogy. So, yeah, we'll have to see what happens. History suggests that none of those major consequences will come to the Clintons. But then what? Are we gonna forget it? Are we gonna. What do you know? It's very frustrating.

Clayton Morris (41:01)

Yeah, it is.

Natalie (41:02)

I'm frustrated.

Clayton Morris (41:03)

All right, well, we're gonna talk legal stuff with our friend Viva Fry in just a moment about the FBI. Raiding a reporter's home for the Washington Post. I can't believe, like, we're. We're actually defending the Washington Post. But of course we're defending journalism. I mean, not that real journalism actually happens at the Washington Post. It is, of course, an extension of the CIA, but nevertheless, like, the FBI went, raided the home of a reporter, reporter took her phone and other things. What the hell's going on? This is the United States of America, not North Korea. Last. Last time I checked. We're gonna talk with Viva about that in just a moment. But first, we love our dogs like family. I know I do. And Grover is no different. He's our dog. That's. That's. That's my boy as a puppy. And there he is as a grown man. So he's doing great, honestly. But I know a lot of you probably notice little things with your dog that you just kind of brush off. Like, hey, why? They're licking their paws a lot lately. Scratching more than usual, shaking their head, dealing with random redness. Here's the deal. Those aren't just quirks. They could actually be signed kinds of allergies. And allergies often flare up when bad bacteria takes over the gut, because about 90% of your dog's immune system lives there. That's why we keep Better Wild than their allergy relief. Soft chews on hand. They're designed to support your pet's allergy defense system by strengthening digestion. And they're the first and only chews with ancestral advantage. Wolf probiotics derived from your dog's mighty ancestor, the wolf, to help restore a healthy balance of good bacteria in the gut. They also include lsacai. That's a postbiotic from kimchi, which has been clinically proven to ease itchiness redness in just two months with daily use. Plus colostrum and salmon oil to support immune function, skin and fur. Grover loves the flavor. Right now, Better Wild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at betterwild.com/redacted. That's betterwild.com/redacted for up to 40% off. Well, while further evidence the United States Constitution is being thrown out, the FBI executed a search warrant on a Washington Post reporter's home reporter Hannah Nathanson. Nathanson's home on Wednesday as part of a probe into a government contractor, according to reports they say accused of illegally retaining classified government materials. Nathanson was at her Virginia home at the time of the search, according to this report, and I'm reading from the screen And a warrant stated law enforcement was investigating a Railo Perez Lugones, a system administrator in Maryland who was a top secret security clearance and has been accused of accessing and taking home classified intelligence reports that were found in his lunchbox and in his basement, the Post reported, citing the FBI affidavit. Natenson covers the, quote, the Trump administration's reshaping of the government and its effects, end quote. That's in her X bio. Her home and her devices were searched. And Nathan told her employer, the Washington Post, that a phone and a garment watch were also taken, seized. All right, so what the hell is going on here? Don't we have case law and precedent for this? But maybe not. Maybe it's all being thrown out. Viva Fry, host of the great show Viva Fry show over on Rumble, our fellow Rumbler, right before our show, by the way. Viva, great to see you. Welcome to the show. Great to see you again.

Viva Fry (44:30)

Thank you very much for having me. It's interesting. I was looking into this as well, because it's one of those stories where you have to check your internal biases. I believe the Washington Compost is a propagandist outlet.

Clayton Morris (44:41)

Right.

Viva Fry (44:42)

Does mean that I'm going to support what I might otherwise find objectionable if it were carried out on someone who I consider to be an ideological or political ally. You know, the precedent is the interesting thing. I was queering as to whether or not New York Times versus the U.S. the Pentagon Papers, you know, could find application here. And I picked the big brain of Robert Barnes. You know, we do our show, we have our locals, community as well. And he's like, yeah, you know, the New York Times, that, that was a decision that said you can't prevent publication, but not that, you know, the journalists are off limits if they in fact solicit or participate in illegal activities to obtain or possess classified information. And, you know, the other precedent that was set also back in Trump's first term was going after Julian Assange on, you know, something similar. They're not yet going after this journalist, they're just raiding and seizing. It's an interesting predicament because you make the joke that it's sort of an extension of the CIA, the Washington Post, and it's sort of a deep state ally. We're not yet sure exactly what the nature of the documents are. I think from what I understand now, at least from what the aggregate knowledge is, is that this was information pertaining to a foreign country that has not yet been identified. And that might lead people to reflexively think, oh, this is what happens if you leak information that relates to, say, Israel, for example, or maybe Ukraine, for example, because apparently it related to, from what I understand, the information is going to change defense issues related to a foreign country. So you just got to wonder what the heck is going on. If they're going after the target, who is the leaker? Why do they need to go raid a journalist and seize information that might reveal sources and other information? Time will tell. Unfortunately, it looks like the precedent might be there under the Assange prosecution that you can do this to journalists if they, in fact participate in soliciting or otherwise illegal criminal activity to obtain classified information. But the details thus far are sort of thin. We don't yet have all of the information.

Clayton Morris (46:40)

Well, also, you know, you bring up a great point about Assange, but of course, Assange was Australian, an Australian citizen, not a United States citizen, and who.

Viva Fry (46:50)

Never stepped foot in the US to do what they allegedly did. And at the time, some of us took issue with it. Like, this seems to be a weaponizing of legislation or rarely used laws to go after people who are not actually participating in soliciting classified information, but they are the ones publishing it. And so, yeah, you know, we took issue with it with, with Assange. Some people thought it was a righteous prosecution and Assange was a traitor. So it's a thorny issue. But, yeah, that's a material difference. The only thing is here, going after a Washington Post journalist, if only to raid and seize some items that have, that might have more information than what is necessary for them to get based on their alleged target, that being the actual leaker himself.

Clayton Morris (47:30)

Right. I mean, you wonder if there's. To me, this is devastating for freedom of the press in the United States because as Glenn Greenwald or any other great journalist would tell you, I mean, they rely on these types of informants, they rely on these types of leakers providing them with documents to actually be able to tell the story and to hold government accountable. That's the power of the, the press. So for the, for you're going to sort of send a shockwave of fear through newsrooms from, to stop. To prevent them from really doing journalism.

Viva Fry (48:04)

Well, that, that some cynic might say that would be the feature, not the bug. And others can imagine of how this can be weaponized against people who might be political adversaries or ideological adversaries to the current administration above and beyond the Washington Post. I mean, that goes without saying. But, you know, you have other journalists out there who have caught the eye of the Department of justice and not sure how familiar you are with Steve Baker, but, oh, yeah, Steve Baker and his sources within the FBI and giving him information that, you know, this, this DOJ might not like coming out. This is beyond a shot over the bow of the Bakers of the world. This is a warning to not just the leakers, but any journalist who would entertain, you know, fraternizing with who might be bona fide leakers. And it's not to say that this journalist might have crossed the line. And, you know, we'll wait for those details to come out as well. It's not to say the journalists benefit from immunity from soliciting or participating in illegal activity, but absolutely, this is, you know, you know, maybe playing favoritism to whatever that foreign country, number one is, as alleged in the, in the affidavit, maybe comedy.

Clayton Morris (49:14)

Could you be specific then? So what, where, where would a reporter then cross the line? And we don't know to your point. We still don't know the details, but, well, given that protection of the New York, of the United States versus the.

Viva Fry (49:29)

New York Times, New York Times, the Pentagon Papers, you know, the prior restraint, it said that you can't prevent publication. So from what I understand, it was sort of silent on whether or not you could prosecute afterwards. Okay, so good. You can publish the story. We can't prevent you from publishing it.

Derek Brose (49:41)

It.

Viva Fry (49:41)

But that doesn't mean you're immune from prosecution or having participated in criminal activity. Generally speaking, my understanding is that, you know, you could publish the fruits of what was a leak, but you can't participate in soliciting the leak or participate in stealing the classified information or inappropriately appropriating that classified information. That's what they alleged Assange did, which I thought was a stretch even based on the facts at the time, but that's how they got around it.

Philip (50:07)

So.

Viva Fry (50:07)

So, you know, there could be a certain element of active participation of a journalist who may no longer be a journalist, but might actually be a spy, might actually be someone that falls within the Espionage Act. And we don't know what those facts are right now. The journalist hasn't been charged. It's just a question of what was alleged in that, in that affidavit to allow the warrants, to allow for searching and seizing of what is recognized as journalistic materials, even if we don't think that the Washington Post are journalists, but more, you know, activists.

Clayton Morris (50:37)

So how would we, how would you define soliciting? So if you're this reporter, what would fall under that category? She is reaching out to this class.

Viva Fry (50:44)

Of this, you know, like encouraging, aiding and abetting. I mean, that's how I would go from what I, I've also read some stuff which I can't. Nobody can believe whatever they read right now, but apparently she was on Reddit maybe, or actively soliciting people to steal. But, you know, beyond having your, your DMs open and saying, okay guys, if you've got any intel, come to me, James o' Keefe and Project Veritas does it as well. And oddly enough, you know, the fact that this comes a day after James o' Keefe's expose, which is embarrassing, to say the least to the Secret Service, that they have Biden holdovers who are activists and not in line with the agenda, you know, are they going to go after the James o' Keefe now for soliciting that are these undercover cameras going to be deemed to be, you know, soliciting or trickery or somehow violating the law so that it scares this type of expose journalism from James o'. Keefe. But, you know, we'll see what the details are. I've heard some stories that this person might have known what they were doing was wrong. And you know, you're, you at some point, you're no longer a reporter, but you're a participant.

Clayton Morris (51:44)

We'll see.

Viva Fry (51:44)

You can, you could conceptually imagine where that line is. And, and if, if this person crossed it, so be it. But, you know, you want to be reluctant to empowering the government to go and search, seize and presumably explore what's in journalistic materials of, you know, journalists. Put it in quotes.

Clayton Morris (52:02)

Philip on our team has a question for you. Go ahead, Philip.

Philip (52:05)

Yeah, so it really pertains to the, to the warrant itself and the sighting off because this is always something that any, anytime, something like this, this like, presumably seems kind of shady. It was somebody signed off on this warrant. Do you know, like, like for, for a case like this with the FBI, what, what judge would they be going before that would be signing off on this? Because I mean, that either that either makes it shady or gives it credentials because somebody signed off on this warrant. And do you know who that would be like in a case like this?

Viva Fry (52:34)

I, it was the question that, you know, Robert Barnes and I were talking about this actually before we went live. And you know, the question was what jurisdictions is. And from what I understand, it's Virginia. And so that is the question as to who is if there's corruption or that's how serious it is that even, you know, an anti Trump judge would sign off on this, from what I understand. I haven't seen the documents yet, and I don't know that they're public yet. In fact, I'm fairly certain they're not. But this was obtained in Virginia, which, you know, might be a little bit less surprising if it were obtained in D.C. where you have 95% who are anti Trump. Why would they sign off on a search warrant for a Washington Post journalist not yet knowing what the foreign country is? You could understand, and there might be, there's competing levels of corruption or, you know, it's just justice in this case and we don't know it yet. But look, you, you have to be weary whether you love the Washington Post or hate them. And whether you love Donald Trump or hate him, you have to be weary of empowering a Department of justice to. It is intimidating, period, regardless, for any, any whistleblower who knows that they will not necessarily be kept an anonymous source in the hands of the journalist. And for any journalist who is actually doing real journalism, like the Glenn Greenwald's of the world, like the Steve Bakers of the world, where they say you may not be safe and once we get your stuff, you know, Lord help us, we might find other stuff that might incriminate you and we'll see how. But that's where it is right now. I'm eagerly awaiting more information and to see the documents and what's actually alleged. The leaker himself is in custody, and it sounds like, at least for now, he's being depicted as a lone wolf. So it's not even clear that it had anything to do with, do with this journalist stated objective of keeping the administration in line with who they fire and hire, et cetera. But it's early in the stage of the factual elements of this. But proceed with caution, because it's not because you hate the Washington Post that you should ratify this, and it's not because you love Donald Trump that you should say a Department of justice should have these powers.

Clayton Morris (54:30)

You gotta imagine there's a phone call coming from CIA friendly Jeff Bezos, who owns the Washington Post, like, hey, we gave you access to our paper. You know, we're a, we're a back channel to the CIA right here. Come on. Could you have not maybe could make this thing go away? This is one of our reporters here.

Viva Fry (54:47)

It's curious that there wasn't collaboration in advance of this, but then you might have other interests depending on what this foreign nation was. If you're going to make us look Bad, you know, in Europe or if you're going to make us look bad in the Middle east, this is what's going to happen to journalists who cross that line. So we'll help you. Just don't, you know, don't. Don't piss off the wrong countries and don't make us look bad under the wrong circumstances.

Clayton Morris (55:09)

Well, journalism under attack. Viva Fry, great to see you as always. Thank you. Does a great show, by the way. Check him out. He comes on their show comes. He comes on right before our show. So check him out on Rumble. Does a great job. Viva, always great to see you, my friend. Thank you.

Viva Fry (55:21)

Thank you very much. Great to see you, too. Happy New Year, by the way.

Clayton Morris (55:23)

Happy New Year to you as well. Thank you and keep up the great work. All right, we've got more news to get to. We're gonna talk about Venezuela and the technocratic takeover of that country. You know, everyone's talking about, oh, is it oil? Is it drugs? Maduro was a drug kingpin. Come on. No, it wasn't. Our next guest has written a great new piece at the American Vagabond. And take a look. Here's the article and details, specifically what has unfolded inside of the Venezuela. And here it is. The Venezuela Technocracy connection. The US Bombing of Venezuela and capture of Nicolas Maduro cannot be rationally explained as a drug enforcement operation or even solely about oil, or even solely about recovering oil. The bigger picture is technocracy. Our next guest is Derek Brose, one of the great journalists in the world, great investigative journalist who's been looking at this closely, has been covering. Been covering this technocratic takeover. Derek, great to see you. You know, I love your approach because so many people want to get in the weeds on all of this. You know, it's like, oh, it was the trend. Iragua, it's the cartel de la Solas. You know, it's all the. It was this and that. And you really take a much broader look here, a much bigger look and showing us maybe the. The truth that's unfolding in Venezuela. Great to see you. Well, it sounds like you're muted there, Dirk. Nope, I don't hear you yet. So let me just. While, while Derek is getting his audio here, I just want to reread through just a little bit of Derek's article here because it's in the early morning hours of January 3, 2026, United States military launched military strikes on Venezuela and captured Maduro and his wife. Maduro and Flores have since been transported to New York. Charges related to gun crimes, cocaine trafficking, the movie.

Derek Brose (57:26)

I think I'm good now.

Clayton Morris (57:27)

Oh, you're good. Okay. I was just gonna get a little backstory here, but not to steal your thunder here, so good to see you. So the technocratic connection in Venezuela. Walk us through what you uncovered.

Derek Brose (57:41)

Yeah. So as you said, Clayton, at the beginning, that I don't think that the claims of the drug charges really stack up.

Viva Fry (57:47)

And.

Derek Brose (57:48)

And we're already seeing that with the doj, not even including the claim that Maduro is the head of the cartel of the Suns in their indictment. And there are some oil connections that I do cover in my article. Like, I thought it was interesting that you start to look at some of the oil companies that stand to benefit from the US going into Venezuela if they do in fact invest. And there's connections to BlackRock, you know, having about 1/5 or 1/4 of the ownership of some of these companies. But I do think the bigger picture is the technocratic picture. And we've talked about this in past shows and I know you've covered as well. But for those who are unfamiliar, just really briefly, Technocracy was a movement that was very popular in the United States and Canada in the 1930s, 1940s, up until about the 1950s. And it is a movement that specifically said they wanted to get rid of the political class, get rid of the business class, and wanted to have the engineers and the experts running society. Essentially there would be no more voting, no democracy, anything like that. You would get these so called experts and engineers to run the machines, as they used to say. I think today we would probably consider that to be AI and a lot of the technology we have today. And that these experts would micromanage all of society. They would allocate resources. They promised it would be utopia. They also did mention that it would involve the loss of privacy and some personal freedoms and things like that. But that technocratic movement, when it was growing, they had this vision of what they called the technate, the North American technate. How they wanted to control the North American continent. They specifically say as far up as Greenland, all of Canada, all of the US and Mexico and Panama and central parts of Central America, going all the way down to eastern Colombia and to large portions of Venezuela. And as my article there shows, you can see the original Technocrats map that they released in 1940 clearly showing this effort to control the entire continent. And it's similar to different concepts people may have seen over the years, especially if you've been in this research talk of say, the North American Union, things like that. But what I think is unique and the reason this matters, you know, okay, it's a movement from 100 years ago. How is that relevant to 2026 and what Trump is doing now? I think it's relevant because not only is Trump surrounded by the various technocrats that I know you've covered on the show, such as Peter Thiel, obviously Elon Musk, Elon Musk's grandfather, Joshua Hadelman, was actually involved in the technocracy movement in Canada, was one of the directors of Technocracy Incorporated. And so you have those sort of connections. But also you, this aide, this advisor to Trump, Stephen Miller, he's been one of the biggest advocates for saying the US Is not only going to go into Venezuela, but into Greenland. And you have his wife Katie Miller talking about going to Greenland. When you start to stack these things up and look at the original technocrats plans and look at the people who are surrounding Trump and you can see that they are following this plan to a T. And so yes, it is about resources like oil and there's other minerals and things like that. But I think it's more than that. It's that they are trying to implement this plan that people connected to the Trilateral Commission, now deceased, Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Rockefeller, the folks who originally founded the Trilateral Commission in the 1970s, they were simply picking up this plan from the original technocracy movement. And now in the 2020s, Trump seems to Trump and his team and people around him seem to be following that same plan from the original technocracy movement.

Clayton Morris (61:06)

So that's really the high level look at this technate. It's crazy to think about. I'm just like, look at the map here. I mean literally have a map from the 1940s as you point out, the technate of America and it's right there. Again, listen to what they say and then watch what they do. And all of these pieces are coming together. You got the Greenland piece of this, you got Venezuela, you've got of course the pushing out of China and Russia in the Western hemisphere or at least the appearance of that anyway. Maybe you can talk about some of the machinery behind the scenes, like how does this come to fruition from a technocracy perspective? We're talking digital tracking one sort of, I'm almost picturing like the European Union in a way, but without.

Derek Brose (61:50)

It's very similar.

Clayton Morris (61:51)

Is it Washington D.C. is in charge.

Derek Brose (61:53)

Instead of Brussels in the case of the Western hemisphere. The North American techne It probably, probably will, will be and would be the United States in, in charge of that. At least the, that's the way the original Technocrats envisioned it. And in their own writing they say the technate will encompass the entire North American continent from Panama to the North Pole because the natural resources and the natural boundary of this area make it an independent, self sustaining geographical unit. So they did envision that the US would probably be the, the strong power here and they wanted to control the entire continent. And very similar. They also imagined there would be other, what they call technologies states in different parts of the world, similar to what we see with the European Union. I mentioned the North American Union. And they make it clear that this is about resources in one level, that they want the resources of Panama, which I think we also have to put in the context that last year, 2025, Larry Fink, head of BlackRock, he bought two ports in the Panama Canal and it was reported numerous places that he consulted with Trump before doing that. Also of course the. I mentioned that there is mention of Colombia and Venezuela specifically in the Technocrats plan. And recently Trump of course is starting to threaten the President of Colombia. Now again, he's saying this is about drugs, but he's putting him in on notice like he's doing with Iran and elsewhere, that the US Will go in there if they want to. I find that to be coincidental that that sort of also aligns with the Technocrats plans and even more specifically to the Greenland aspect of it. In 1940 in the technocracy magazine, the Technocrats specifically mention Greenland. And he says, quote, the acquisition of these territories should be a mandatory part of the program of continental defense for immediate achievement. And this is the important part, either by purchase, negotiation or the force of arms. So as far back as 1940, the technocrats were saying like if it comes back, if it comes down to military conquest, then so be it. It must be done. Because this is what needs to take place in order for their plan of essentially a world government, what many of us would call a New World Order. I think that we haven't always paid attention to Technocracy movie and the movement in the context of the New World Order, but it's essentially the same thing by another name. They want to control and dominate as much of the world for resources like you mentioned, there's some strategic reasons, you know, we know that they're trying to dominate. The US Is trying to dominate more of the Western Hemisphere. Trump's calling it the Don Row doctrine, things like that. But I think ultimately it does come back to that technocratic vision. And in their words they describe a world without freedom of speech, a world without personal privacy, a world where the machines, or again I think we'd be referring to the AI, facial recognition, social credit scores, things like that, where the AI, the machines are used to allocate the perfect amount of resources. Because as with most tyrants, they sell this as a utopia where people would have energy credits, which sounds very similar to carbon credits, and that those energy credits would be determined by how much you get of various resources or products down to the person. I mean they, they wanted this to be a highly meticulous, highly engineered system. That's why they thought the engineers and the experts should be at the top. Because they said, well, you know, the business people, they don't know what the heck they're doing. The politicians don't know what they're doing. The people are too stupid to know what's good for them. We need the experts to micromanage all of society and that will then in their words and their view, lead us to some utopia.

Clayton Morris (65:16)

You also quote, as you mentioned, Stephen Miller at the beginning when we started talking, I just want to put up a quote here on the screen that you have in your article, We Live. Miller told Jake Tapper on cnn. Nobody's going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland. We live in a world in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time. So come hell or high water, no one's going to mess with us to get in the way of us taking Greenland for sure. So I guess the real question then is what about sovereignty? We're talking about these Latin American countries, what Canada. We see the Alberta freedom movement that's been, I mean people are lined up basically pushing for this referendum to secede from Canada. I guess there's obviously a push to, there's been a lot of push for them to maybe join the United States oil pipeline going right up through to Alberta. So you'd be connected to have that corridor there. So what happens to sovereignty?

Derek Brose (66:19)

Yeah, I think that's a great question, Clayton and Stephen Miller really gives away the game right there. I mean, I've been sort of reflecting on this recently that on one hand in the past I think some of us might have felt like, well, when you have, when it comes to politicians like Obama and others, they, they talk, they're well spoken constitutional attorney people sort of can they can be deceived by the mask and not realize, you know, the, the American empire that's behind it. But in the case of Trump and his recent actions and, and the saber rattling that's ongoing as we speak here, it's like the mask has come off the empire. Stephen Miller and others are saying, look, we're going to do whatever we want. We're going to take Greenland if we want, we're going to do it militarily. We're going to go into Venezuela, we might go into Colombia, we might go into Cuba. They're threatening Mexico, where I'm at right now. And I think that again, on one hand, it feels like, okay, great, the mask is off and at least they're being real, that they believe rule of, you know, the rule of the, of the jungle. And is, is might, is right. And, and that's kind of how it always has been. It's just, again, there was that veneer that people like Obama and others tried to, to maintain and have this political legitimacy. But in fact, it turns out it doesn't feel any better whenever the mask comes off. In fact, it feels even uglier. It's like, wow, this is where we really are. You have, have these people like Stephen Miller feeling perfectly, I guess, content and safe to say on public television, we're going to do what we want. Nobody's going to stop us. And as I point out in the article as well, his wife, she posted on Twitter the map of Greenland with the American colors over it and said soon. Maybe she knows something we don't know, but they're clearly telegraphing that they're going to come for Greenland. And as I said, this fits perfectly in with the Telegraph Technocrats plan. Another just interesting detail that I found that Katie Miller, Stephen Miller's wife, she was a, an employee of the Doge Experiment under Elon and then worked with Elon directly before. Now she has a podcast, but it's just, you start to see again the circles that these folks are all running in, the technocrats either advising Donald Trump, funding his campaigns. We have at least 17 to 20 different acolytes of Peter Thiel who are in the Trump administration in different departments. We have members of the Bilderberg Group, we have members of the World Economic Forum, young global leaders. I pointed this out in numerous articles in 2025, and I think what we're seeing here with Venezuela, with the threats to Greenland and elsewhere, is really just showing that the same people who have been in charge over the last decades, they're still there. You know, there may be some aberrations with Trump and his unpredictableness, but for the most part, the same agendas we've been opposing during Democratic regimes and Republican regimes prior to Trump continue in 2026, unabated.

Clayton Morris (68:54)

Yeah, right, exactly. Take a look at this, Derek. This was a short time ago in Caracas. This is a large rally, a pro Maduro rally. Again, you're not going to see this on Fox News. I don't think maybe you will, but probably not going to see this on the like MAGA influencer social feeds. But what do you make of this? I mean, that tens of thousands of people coming out and with signs of Maduro and, and posters of Maduro and showing their support for him.

Derek Brose (69:31)

Yeah, I saw that video when you sent it earlier. I haven't had a chance to, you know, look into the finer details of that one. But I will say that it is a fact for sure, that there are people who do support Maduro within Venezuela. It is also a fact, of course, there are people, Venezuelans, both in and out of the country, who do not support Nicolas Maduro. And I think that that just goes to the fact that, just think about the United States, for example. We have people who are adamantly for Donald Trump and everything he does, and they're going to support him regardless. And then there are other people who are adamantly against him and are going to be opposed to everything he does. And it's easy for, let's say a foreign country if they were from the outside looking in to spin any opposition to Trump as like, look, he's unpopular, that we should, we should intervene. And that's essentially what the United States tries to do do in these other countries, whether it's Iran, Venezuela, Mexico with Shine Bomb, we talked about that recently, that you can take these different protests either for or against the regime and you can amplify that and say, look, the people clearly do not like the person in power. We need to go intervene. Or you could tell the opposite story. I think it's just a sign that things are not as black and white as the American media may want people to believe, as MAGA media might want people to believe. And that's not an endorsement of Nicolas Maduro in any way. You could just, just sit back and be objective and say, look, some Venezuelans do like him for whatever reason, whether you agree with those or not. And there are many Venezuelans who do oppose him. And, and maybe I think foolishly would like the US to intervene. I mean, it's the Same thing we're seeing here in Mexico, that there are polls showing that some Mexicans would support U S intervention, which I think would be a horrible mistake and I pray does not happen. But there are others who are adamantly opposed to it. So it's just about how, which lay lens you want to look through and which stories the media wants to amplify. And obviously we know that at the moment the story is the Venezuelan people, the Iranian people, the Cubans, the, you know, the green lenders, they all want the US's help, they're begging for our help, they want us to come, you know, save them, etc. That's the narrative that the Trump administration wants to be out there.

Clayton Morris (71:28)

Right. I should point out that march that we were just seeing there was a, was the great workers march or the large workers march, Workers march and you know, and as what they're, what they're calling for and even what the local media was saying there was the, was the free President Maduro and the first lady or liberate the President and the first Lady. So to your point, and that's exactly what we're seeing in Iran right now, right? If you like, can you actually talk about like the, the legitimate protests and why they were upset about high inflation over the past few weeks and then can you also then have a conversation about Mossad and the CIA infiltrating and actually co opting those protests? And you know, it's not, that's why these things work, right? That's why these co opting of these types of protests by the CIA, these color revolutions, Mossad, otherwise that's why it works because it looks like all of these people are upset and they're, they're attacking each other. January 6th, you have feds involved in creating that, right? So it's the reason they do it is because it works.

Derek Brose (72:28)

And these things can all be true, as you said. I mean there's definitely people upset at the Iranian government and upset about inflation and other issues. And it appears from some protests and things we're seeing, which, I mean obviously AI generated videos is a concern these days and we have to be careful and skeptical and not just go ahead and repost something because it confirms your biases. But it does seem to be true that in that case in Iran as well there are people who do support the regime. Again, we don't have to agree with their reasoning just to recognize that the situation is more complex on the ground. And, and that's something that we talked about recently in Mexico when I was out here Reporting. And yes, there are people who oppose the current president. There are people who. Who gratefully, you know, are grateful for her and support her. Both factions exist. And we have to be willing to kind of look into these nuances, look at these bigger pictures, like I'm trying to do here in Venezuela with the technocracy angle, and ask, who benefits from this? Who stands to gain? Who stands to gain from the US Bombing intervening in Iran and Venezuela and, you know, in Mexico, in Cuba and Colombia and all these other places? And I think, unfortunately, we are going to see more of this. 2026 is just beginning. And, you know, maybe there's some level of saber rattling that's just going on. It's just Trump talking a big game, like, with Mexico. I've thought maybe some of this talk about we're going to go into Mexico on land. It could be sort of a bargaining chip for the fact that this summer 2026, the U.S. mexico, Canada agreement is coming up for renegotiation. And so maybe Trump is doing some of this saber rattling as a way to get a better position. There are definitely more factors and angles than we are typically shown in the corporate media and even in the mainstream alternative media. So I definitely appreciate you giving me a chance, Clayton, to talk about this and bring in the technology, because I do think too many people are missing this piece of the puzzle.

Clayton Morris (74:15)

No, you blew me away with it, and I hadn't thought about it. People are talking about drugs and oil and other things and archaeological dig sites that are actually hidden there underground. There's a lot of stuff going on, but I have not heard anyone talking about the technocracy. And as you pointed out, it's all written down. It's all part of their plan. And it has been all of these secret, dark forces for a long, long time. So I encourage our audience to go over to the American Vagabond and read Derek's great piece. It's eye opening. And that's why I just gotta say.

Philip (74:46)

That, like, this is. Sorry, this is the first time I've ever heard of this. And my brain is just on fire right now thinking about this. Because if you think what was the very first. The very first beef Trump got into was with Canada. I remember at the time thinking, like, why Canada? What the hell is going on? Then you see that map and it's like, oh, because we need that. It's like, immediately, like, wasted. No time going after Canada, Greenland, like, this is all, like, brand new to me. I'm gonna be checking out this article Here when we're done.

Clayton Morris (75:11)

Well, and Stephen Miller, very, very smart, right? Very smart. And had been sort of planning a lot of these pieces for a long time, it seems many, many years. I mean, he apparently even wanted to be, like, be at the second number two in the White House, basically going back 15 years, laying the groundwork on all of this. So, you know, he's definitely got some.

Derek Brose (75:33)

Aspirations for power, for sure.

Clayton Morris (75:35)

Yeah. It just reminds me of, like, the plans that were in place from neocons, Cheney and others well ahead of what we saw on 911 and the Patriot Act. Like, the Patriot act didn't just come out of nowhere. It had been written down and planned years earlier. And so again, I come back to these plans where these. These deep, dark souls get together in smoky rooms and have these, you know, have these meetings, and it informs everything that we're seeing today. So I encourage people to go and read it. Derek, thank you for being the tip of the spear on this stuff. I really appreciate it. Great work as usual.

Derek Brose (76:11)

Thank you, Clayton. Appreciate your time.

Clayton Morris (76:12)

You bet. Thanks, Derek. Wow. I know.

Philip (76:16)

It's like, yeah, that just, like, blew my mind completely. I'm like. I guess, like, you know, like, I feel like I've spent the past, like, few years trying to figure out, like, you know, because I always ask, like, what is the end goal? What is the end goal? Like, with all of this, like, what is it you want? And then just to see it be, like, oh, well, they actually have been planning this since the 1930s, and here it is and goes, you know, that just every piece fits into that.

Clayton Morris (76:41)

And it's all written out. Like, it's all written. Yeah, by the way. And we also came up with a map. Like, here's the map that we came up with back then. It's all written out. It's all planned out. And, you know, and people can say, oh, this just, you know, it's old. But, you know, look at Covid, right? I mean, look at all of the. Look at all of the pieces that were coming in that were put in place before COVID happened, right? The meetings, the Fed meetings, All of these things that were happening ahead of time. All the groundwork that was laid ahead of time. Like, did you see, by the way, just side note, did you see that? Like, Project Runway? I didn't realize this, but. Well, before COVID even hit anyone even knew what it was, or the normies before us normies knew what it was. Project Runway had, like, one of their models come out dressed in, like, a head to toe Kind of a thing. 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And if Trump actually does put the, this moratorium on like people like Blackstone and these other big institutional investors buying up all these single family homes, if he really does do that Then you're going to see finally, like, house prices, I think, drop a little bit, come back down, and I think you're going to see a flood, a flood of activity this spring. But we'll see. So we'll see.

Chat Participant (82:05)

He's in a ban BlackRock, Vanguard and Black street, or whatever it's called here.

Clayton Morris (82:09)

But.

Chat Participant (82:09)

But, hey, you can buy in Gaza and Ukraine and.

Clayton Morris (82:14)

Well, to be clear, Blackstone is different than Black Rock. Yeah. So.

Chat Participant (82:19)

Oh, I thought BlackRock and Vanguard were the ones buying up all the properties.

Clayton Morris (82:23)

No. Black Stone. Oh, yeah. Different people get them, conflate them all the time. But Black Stone is one of the. The problem here. I'll just tell you, because I know real estate very well. Blackstone, when they go in, they buy up all these properties. What it does is they'll just overbid for properties because they don't care. They don't want to get into a bidding war with, like, some family that wants to live there. So let's say the house is, like, listed for 300,000, right. Well, that's kind of like the market. That's the going market rate. Well, Blackstone will just come in and be like, we're not getting into a bidding war. 310,320. We're not going to get into a bidding war with a family, a young family that wants to move into this house.

Chat Participant (83:03)

Well. And the seller is going to be ecstatic.

Clayton Morris (83:06)

Well, yeah. I mean. Right. And that's why you see a lot of institutional builders building for these people as well. So it's just like a. And then it's really driven up the prices. Right. So now you're getting these. They're bidding and paying higher for these properties, and they shouldn't be that high. So if Trump actually does this and stops that from happening, that's why Blackstone's stock tanked last week on that news. Dropped, like, 6%.

Philip (83:33)

Zillow was doing that for a long time. Zillow still doing that. Or did they kind of stop?

Clayton Morris (83:39)

I don't know if Zillow's still doing that. Zillow. A lot of these people got burned. Here's the problem. A lot of these big institutional investors went in and they thought, oh, there's nothing to it. They can just buy up all these properties and then we'll just get some faceless, like, property management company to handle it. And they overbought, and then they couldn't find the property management teams to, like, actually manage it. So then you had a lot of. And people just were getting Frustrated. You had a lot of properties that were sitting in a lot of cities that were getting all sorts of fines because they didn't, like, wouldn't mow their grass. So, like, Zillow bought up all these properties. Redfin, I think, bought up a bunch of properties, and they didn't realize that, oh, we actually need to renovate a lot of these properties. Properties. So they were trying to find contractors, and the contractors were like, oh, you're Zillow that bought this. Yeah. You know what? Normally we'd charge 20 grand to do this type of a job. I think it's 50 grand. So they were just getting flooded with, like, gouging prices. And a lot of these contractors were just taking advantage of these, like, faceless Zillow and Redfin coming in and buying up a lot of these properties. Properties. And they. And then they were actually letting a lot of them sit there because they couldn't find contractors to do the work. So they bought this property that needed to be fixed up, and they just sat there. And the city will give you fines, and they'll start sending you fines. You got to cut the grass. You have windows that are cracked. You have things. Zillow, I don't care that you're Zillow. You got to start paying for this stuff. And they'll start getting all sorts of city fines, and they just start stacking up and stacking up and stacking up. And then pretty soon the city will actually, like, take the property back, you know, put a lien on the property. You know, they're getting liens on the property. They couldn't find contractors. And then they also had, like, property management teams that just didn't manage the properties at all. So people would move into these properties, and they're like, hey, I've got a broken toilet. Like, who do I call? And they. They didn't have anyone they could really even talk to. It was a disaster. Really happened, like, pretty bad in, like, Florida and, like, Tampa. They were buying up all these condos and everything after. After the 2008 problems.

Natalie (85:51)

So.

Clayton Morris (85:52)

Yeah, but still. Yeah, go ahead.

Philip (85:55)

Grim. Saying in our chat that there's a lot of partial built homes sitting around the Port Charlotte area.

Clayton Morris (86:00)

Where.

Philip (86:00)

Cause he just moved to Florida recently. Yeah.

Clayton Morris (86:03)

Yeah. I mean, you know, again, a lot of these investors, they overbought. We're also seeing a big disaster happening in Florida right now in the condo market. The condo market in Florida. I mean, people are taking huge haircuts. They overbuilt a lot of these big condominium complexes and 75% price drops now because they're just like, we can't sell these things. So I, you, you know.

Chat Participant (86:26)

Well, just like thinking logically, if they go in and they pay over market value, then everybody in that neighborhood is like, oh, house sold for that. So now our value is that.

Clayton Morris (86:36)

Right.

Chat Participant (86:36)

And then they come in and Blackstone Black street buys Blackstone.

Clayton Morris (86:40)

Blackstone, yeah.

Chat Participant (86:41)

Buys another couple houses, inflates it even more. And so it just becomes this artificially inflated market to where everybody's houses, like the sellers are kind of winning, I would think, in that scenario. But the buyers are losing big time.

Clayton Morris (86:55)

Yeah, yeah, it's. I mean, I don't know if you could. Look, there's no one, here's the thing, there's no one real estate market. This is something people forget, right? There's no one real estate market. San Francisco is totally different than Joplin, Missouri, Totally different. And so when I, I can't stand when like CNBC or these other, you know, networks, they're like, they talk about the real estate market as if it's like this one big monolithic thing. It's not, it's every, you know, every market is different, every area is different. But one thing is not different, which is the interest rates. So you're gonna see some areas that have a lot of problems, like in Miami and overbuilt condo areas. But then you're gonna see areas that are, you know, again, like Joplin, Missouri or Lubbock, Texas or these other areas where there's been people waiting to move for like three years now because of interest rates. And even like a quarter point is a lot. I mean, think of how that affects your mortgage. Like even, you know, know, a small amount really affects whether or not it's like you're using almost all of your take home pay to pay for your mortgage. So excuse me, the old rule was like you should never spend more than 30% of your take home pay on your place of living, right? So your, your rent, your mortgage, like your take home pay should not exceed 30% or you shouldn't be spending 30, more than 30% to live in a place. You know, but man, people are spending 50% right now, you know, so it's crazy. But all that to say, I think you're going to see a big shift here soon. I think at least in like the starter home market, you're going to see, you're going to see some movement because it's been a little, it's definitely been slow for sure. But anyway, that's my little real estate aside.

Chat Participant (88:44)

So redacted.inc invest.

Clayton Morris (88:46)

Yeah. Go to our website. You know, we cover this kind of stuff all over there. We have a whole other YouTube channel devoted to investing and I've been doing it for many decades now. And so I know a thing or two about it, that's for sure. And I've seen ups and downs and can tell you what's coming for sure. I can see a lot of it. Z. Feld 63 this show is such propaganda. I love. I love that. I love it. Thank you, Ze Feld. He's probably watching the re like the beginning part of the show where we were talking about Iran. He says, why do you ask who's actually doing the killing in Iran but not in Gaza when Hamas was murdering their own people? We asked those questions. You can wind the tape back. Go back to. We were asking those questions. Who's doing the killing is.

Philip (89:41)

Yeah, because the.

Clayton Morris (89:42)

We did all.

Philip (89:43)

We've uncovered the. But, but, but the thing is, who. Who was doing the killing? Like, actually ask yourself that, because from some of the ones I saw where it looked like Hamas was attacking, like within the food storage facility when it looked like Hamas was shooting at their own people, turned out that that was actually Israel.

Clayton Morris (90:00)

Right.

Chat Participant (90:00)

Well, I mean, Israel also hired isis. ISIS is in there doing things.

Clayton Morris (90:04)

Or the helicopter attacks on their own people under the Hannibal directive. Like when journalists went there and they're like, hey, why all of these people that were leaving that concert, that summer concert? Why are there bullet holes in the ceilings of all of these cars and all of these. They're all dead Israelis in these cars all the way leading away from this concert.

Chat Participant (90:24)

And then Israel buried them to hide the evidence.

Clayton Morris (90:26)

And then we later learned that it was Israel shooting its own people right down the line.

Philip (90:30)

Yeah. So it comes down to, like, why aren't we reporting those things? Because we can't find it. We can't find actually Hamas shooting Palestinians.

Clayton Morris (90:40)

Yeah. Well, that shows videos of Palestine, of Hamas shooting Palestinian children in the head. Yeah, plenty of. Plenty of videos of Israeli shooting Palestinians in the head and children.

Chat Participant (90:53)

I love when people come in and say we're propaganda and follow it up with propaganda.

Clayton Morris (90:58)

That's my favorite too. We're asking questions again. I. Our position is the numbers that we have from our own sources over the past week on how many people have been killed is dramatically lower than the lies we've been Hearing from the CIA and Mossad. Numbers. 200,000 people killed, 20,000 people. Why? You should ask yourself this Question. Why is the Western media ignoring what Israeli media is reporting about their own Mossad in Iran handing out weapons and actually involved in shooting and killing individuals? That's coming from Israeli media. You want to talk about propaganda? Propaganda is also, you know, lies are also lies by omission. Like hiding things on purpose by not telling the truth. And that's exactly what the western media is doing. The Mockingbird media. You're not going to see that on, on Fox News at all. Let's see if Mark Levin's show, if Mark Levin talks about Mossad being caught red handed shooting and arming people. Let's see if Mark Levin will cover that part of the story.

Chat Participant (92:09)

Well and for years it was all, Orion's gonna get nukes, we gotta bomb him, we gotta bomb them, we gotta bomb. And then all of a sudden it's like, we can't get a war that way. What do we, oh, we love the people. They're killing the people.

Clayton Morris (92:19)

Right, That's a great point. So in December, President Trump said he would consider attacking Iran if they continue their nuclear arsenal buildup. Well, we know that. Confirmed they're not. They don't have that ambition at all. That's even confirmed by Tulsi Gabbard, his own head of the DNI and the CIA also confirmed that they are not building nuclear weapons. So then what happened? And the story changed. So now the story is we got to support these protesters in the streets. We have to go and bomb them to show them our love. We have to go kill civilians in order to protect the civilians. Because that's exactly what's going to happen. This idea we're just going to just going after regime change, we just want to take out because the people are oppressed. So it's our job as Americans to go and bomb another country. How about you let them handle it? How about you let them figure it out?

Chat Participant (93:20)

Well and also they were never building nuclear weapons. They wanted nuclear power because they don't want to be dependent on us, that we're like, they want something that they can control and we can't take away.

Clayton Morris (93:30)

That's well documented. Exactly. But in the same way that Gaddafi, you know, wanted to become completely separated and self sufficient in Libya, we couldn't have that. No, no, no, no, no. So what do we do? We sodomized him with a sword. Give up any nuclear ambitions. Meet with. Absolutely. With the government. Obama. Absolutely. I don't want that. We want Libya to be prosperous and self sufficient and wealthy and people could have a great life here. Can't have that. So what do we do? You know exactly what we did. So I love this. Like we need to be supporting or like somehow you're somehow pro Islam Islamist terrorists. What, what are you talking.

Chat Participant (94:22)

And also like think about how they sold the Iraq war. It was all, it was all Saddam's working on weapons of mass destruction. Weapons of mass destruction. Weapons of mass destruction. And then it was babies and incubators. And that's when we went in.

Clayton Morris (94:33)

Right, which was like this.

Chat Participant (94:35)

How many times are they going to tell this same story? And people are going to fall for it.

Clayton Morris (94:41)

Herb Green says. Yeah. Publicly sodomized. Yeah, exactly. Just looking here in the chat room. Let's see, super chats, Nobel price. Thank you for your $5. Super chat says it's super weird. My Verizon phone has no service, but my tablet has full 5G sitting right next to it. It's on the same plan. David, can you speak to that? Yeah, so I don't know if you know, but there was a huge outage. I don't know if it's still going to on right now across the country.

Chat Participant (95:28)

Well, it could be because your, your phone is 5G and your tablet could still be 4G or LTE. So this is the same. Completely different signal, huh?

Clayton Morris (95:37)

But it says it's the same plan.

Chat Participant (95:39)

Yeah, same plan, but different signal. It's a, it's a, like it's from a completely like same tower, but like the, the distance is different. So if you, if LTE is down, you could still have 5G, do you know what I'm saying? Because they're not sent out from the same thing.

Clayton Morris (95:57)

UC Elias, thank you for your $10. Australian says I would choose the Iranian government over the American government any day. I don't know about that. I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I don't know enough about their government, you know, I mean, I know enough about my government. My government is terrible in the United States. The people running our government are like demonic. So I can say that with certainty about the United States and the deep state actors that control our government. And the CIA is one of the like basically a Satan organization. So I can say that with certainty in the U.S. but you can't, you.

Chat Participant (96:36)

Can'T really gauge the government like how they would actually be because we are sanctioned them. So they have to do things completely differently because the people will blame potentially the government for the sanctions because, oh, you guys were messing with the United States and they put sanctions on you know what I mean? So you can't really gauge it properly without it thriving.

Clayton Morris (96:58)

Soul Jar Studios, thank you for your 5$5 pounds. He says choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without. Souljar says also they are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are being becoming poor while their cattle are being bred for slavery. Let's see. Red Pill845 says thank you for your 799 super chat. Says Clayton and Natalie, can you please do a segment on the draconian anti Semitism laws happening in Australia next week? Yes, let's do it. Simon, did you hear that? Let's do that for sure. Absolutely.

Chat Participant (97:38)

They're coming here too.

Clayton Morris (97:39)

Yeah.

Philip (97:40)

Yep. Who was. Who was the. We should get the. Who is the woman we had. It was before Christmas. She was Australian and she was. She like knew everything about every. Like, yeah, she just started like rattling off all the lawsuits and stuff like that and like all the case number. Like, like get her.

Clayton Morris (97:56)

Yeah, she was sharp. Let's. Let's have her back on. Let's see if she's free next week. I'd love to talk about that also, you know, we're going to talk tomorrow about what's going on in Alberta right now in Canada and the freedom movement. Right. Happening right now to secede from Canada. Yeah, Maria. We'll get Maria on tomorrow next week. Let's see. And that's, I think about it on the super chats, I think as far as I can see. Moto Motor Wonder. Thank you for your two dollar super chat. Appreciate it as well. All right, thanks everyone for your support. Lee, I gotta tell you about our newsletter. Hey, I saw hundreds of you guys signed up for it yesterday. So thank you. Because you know what, I never mention it. So no wonder like hundreds of you signed up for it because you're like, wait a second, Redacted has a newsletter? Yeah, we publish it every day. It comes out in the morning. You know, in American time, it comes out in the morning. We have Australian viewers that say they read it at night. That's great. You can read it about five or 10 minutes. We cover about four or five of the big stories of the day that the mainstream media largely ignores. We try to really cut through all of the propaganda and bs. We tell you what's going on in the gold markets, silver markets, bitcoin. So we just kind of get you caught up to speed of things you might have missed overnight. But our, you know, our team here at Redacted does a great job putting all this together.

Chat Participant (99:18)

So I gotta say, as a member of the team. I love reading it. I think it's a really well put together newsletter, honestly.

Clayton Morris (99:23)

Say, well, thank you. Natalie does a great job writing it. We put, you know, the editing on it, the polish, all of it. So we really try to do a great job. And it's also a great way for us to stay connected as an audience because we've been banned and blocked on YouTube before for two weeks where we weren't even able to put up a community post on our channel because of, you know, covering Covid and things like that. YouTube didn't like our telling the truth so they blocked us. And so our newsletter is a great way for us to stay connected to say, hey, we're not going to be on YouTube for two weeks. You know, it's a way for us to communicate with you guys directly. But anyway, the newsletter comes out every day. Every morning just go to redacted.inc and you'll see the big newsletter link at the top. Just click on it, sign up. You'll receive a welcome email from me. And you just need to go in your inbox. It might go to your spam folder, junk folder. Gmail labels our newsletter as dangerous. They might even put a little dangerous label on it. So just got to move it over to your inbox. So you'll start receiving the newsletter tomorrow morning on Thursday morning. So anyway, great with your cup of coffee in the morning. All right. Thanks everyone for watching us here on this Wednesday. Thanks to all of our great guests today. Really appreciate it. Anya Parampil, Viva Fry and Derek Bros. Great people, great journalists, great communicate. Great discussion today about all these topics and trying to cut through all of the BS propaganda that's being heaped on you on a regular basis. We'll be back tomorrow at 4pm Eastern Time. Have a great night everyone.

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