Putin just did the UNTHINKABLE as US Senators push for war against Russia

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Episode: Putin Just Did the UNTHINKABLE as US Senators Push for War Against Russia
Hosts: Clayton & Natali Morris (Redacted.inc)
Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Redacted News centers on escalating tensions between the West and Russia, as well as parallel moves toward war with Venezuela. Hosts Clayton and Natali Morris dissect the rhetoric and policy maneuvers in the US, UK, and Europe that are fueling what they call a “manufactured” consent for war. Interviews with Congressman Thomas Massie and journalist Camila Escalante provide insight into congressional efforts to limit presidential war powers and first-hand context on the Venezuela situation. The show also examines the assassination of an MIT plasma physicist, drawing connections between scientific breakthroughs and systemic suppression.

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Main Topics and Key Points

1. Western Push Toward War With Russia

Manufactured Consent and Escalating Rhetoric

• Clayton Morris: The West, particularly the US, UK, and Germany, is pushing its populations toward accepting war with Russia, despite apparent public opposition and a lack of direct threat from Russia.
• [03:50] Putin called European leaders “piglets” and accused them of driving their nations toward collapse.
• [07:20] Germany faces dire economic consequences (i.e., Volkswagen closing operations after 88 years).
• [11:01] UK ex-PM Boris Johnson and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz openly encourage conscription and military buildup.

“Will your sons and daughters be willing to sacrifice their lives? That is the question of the British government today.”
– Clayton, [03:20]

US Legislation on Russia

• Lindsey Graham introduced a bill labelling Russia as a ‘state sponsor of terrorism,’ which would legally hinder negotiations and provoke further escalation.
• Tucker Carlson’s commentary:

  “It’s basically an effort to thwart the United States. It’s self-harm... He [Lindsey Graham] doesn’t know he’s being used as an instrument of the destruction of the United States. But he is.”
  – Tucker Carlson, [09:44]

Critical Analysis of the Rhetoric

• [12:25] The hosts mock the rationale: “What exactly are you asking these people to die for? NATO? Blackrock investments in Ukraine?”
• [14:26] “You gotta create the problem, right? And then you have to sell it to people, right?”
  – Clayton, referencing David Icke ([14:26])

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2. Russia’s Family Policy as Contrast

• [18:10] Russia announces mass mortgage debt forgiveness for families with four or more children to combat declining birth rates—contrasted with Western countries’ lack of family policy.

  “Could you imagine that happening anywhere in the West? No, because our politicians are more interested in telling families, hey, go kill your kids in a war, than actually have more kids.”
  – Clayton, [19:14]

• Natali notes Russia’s lack of a debt-based, fiat-currency-driven economy:

  “Russia is not a debt-based economy because they don’t have a global currency...they’re not going to put themselves in debt for social services.”
  – Natali, [19:30]

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3. War Powers Resolutions and Limiting Presidential Authority

Interview with Congressman Thomas Massie ([23:09]–[42:20])

• Massie’s Arguments:

  • Congressional authority over war is the "crown jewel" of the Constitution.
  • Current labeling of foreign nations as “terrorists” is a pretext for bypassing congressional approval for military engagement.
  • In classified briefings, Massie claims little new information is shared—“nothing there”—but it gives politicians an excuse to support executive overreach:

    “What in the world could you hear in a classified briefing that would convince you to abandon the Constitution?”
    – Massie, [26:36]

• War Powers Resolutions:

  • Two resolutions: one specific to Venezuela (likely to pass), another covering the Western Hemisphere (less likely).
  • Explains how presidents can still override with a veto; skepticism warranted as to the efficacy:

    “The president ultimately can veto this, and then it takes 2/3 vote of Congress to override his veto. That’s sort of backwards, if you ask me...”
    – Massie, [31:58]

Partisan Politics and Political Ads

• Congressman Massie addresses attack ads funded by "Israel first billionaires" and exposes the use of Ukrainian stock family photos rather than Kentucky families in his opponent’s ads ([34:34]–[36:29]).
• Philosophical discussion on the role of Congress—to check the president, not rubber-stamp executive wishes ([39:04]–[40:00]).

Epstein Files Release

• Anticipation of the public release of the “Epstein Files” by Friday; Massie describes legal obligations and possible repercussions for non-compliance by the Attorney General ([40:40]–[42:20]).

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4. Venezuela: War Drums and Ground Realities

White House Push and Media Narrative ([47:56]–[62:08])

• President Trump is expected to announce possible war with Venezuela; members of Congress report classified briefings about alleged “terrorist” activity ([48:50]–[49:42]).
• Tucker Carlson: Reports Congress was briefed on an impending war; questions legitimacy and transparency ([48:50]).

Interview with Camila Escalante (journalist, recently in Venezuela)

• Lack of Evidence:
  • No evidence provided for accusations that Venezuela poses a terror/criminal threat.

    “There hasn't been a shred of evidence shown to us...We have to presume it's completely made up.”
    – Camila Escalante, [50:14]

• Sanctions Narrative:
  • US sanctions framed around human rights, not narco-terrorism; EU continues sanctions with no drug/terror reference ([52:04]).
• US Military Build-up:
  • US coercing countries in the region to sign military agreements, install infrastructure, and allow US troop presence.
  • Venezuela’s economic recovery and stable military thwart earlier US regime-change attempts, leading to current escalation ([55:47]).
• Escalation and Regional Destabilization:
  • Risk that Latin America could become a new “Middle East” with enduring instability and anti-US sentiment.

    “They just want to destabilize...wherever they can. They want chaos, they want vacuums.”
    – Camila Escalante, [60:01]

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5. MIT Professor Assassination & Suppression of Free Energy Research

The Mysterious Death of Nuno Lairo ([65:43]–[83:16])

• Nuno Lairo, MIT’s plasma fusion lead, murdered—hosts draw parallels to past suppressed clean-energy researchers (e.g., Eugene Mallove, Tesla).

• Energy Industry Backlash:

  • “He had made a few energy giants very nervous.” ([66:41])

• Systemic Suppression of Breakthroughs:

  • Guests and hosts discuss others who invented super-efficient car engines or alternative fuels and were subsequently silenced or killed.

    “Anyone who’s made a discovery like this...all sort of end up in the same dire circumstances.” – Andrew Goff, [75:28]

• Alternative Theories & Pseudoscience:

  • Discussion includes references to etheric energy, plasma cosmology, and ancient technology discoveries.
  • Andrew Goff:

    “There are those who believe the Moon is plasma and shows a snapshot of known and unknown continents on Earth…What was he about to reveal?”
    – [72:24]

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Notable Quotes

• Clayton, on Western politicians:

  "What exactly are you asking these people to die for? NATO, Blackrock investments in Ukraine? What exactly are you asking these people to die for?" ([12:28])

• Tucker Carlson on Lindsey Graham:

  "I want to give him the benefit of the doubt... But he is being used as an instrument of the destruction of the United States." ([09:44])

• Congressman Massie on war powers:

  "To the extent that war making power devolves to one person, liberty dissolves." ([23:09])

• Camila Escalante on US tactics in Latin America:

  “They’re stuck with the Yankees.” ([54:30])

• Andrew Goff on free energy suppression:

  “Anyone who’s made a discovery like this...all sort of end up in the same dire circumstances.” ([75:28])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:20] – Putin’s “piglet” remarks; Western economic collapse.
• [09:44] – Tucker Carlson: Lindsey Graham and escalation rationale.
• [12:25] – UK/Germany: open calls for conscription.
• [18:10] – Russia’s mortgage forgiveness for large families.
• [23:09] – Rep. Thomas Massie explains Congressional war powers.
• [31:56] – Limits and loopholes of War Powers Resolution.
• [34:34] – Attack ads using Ukrainian stock photos.
• [40:40] – Epstein Files Transparency Release, pending legal showdown.
• [48:50] – White House/Congress prepare public for Venezuelan war.
• [50:14] – Camila Escalante: lack of evidence for Venezuela “terrorism.”
• [55:47] – US military build-up in the region, Venezuela’s resilience.
• [65:43] – Assassination of MIT’s nuclear fusion scientist.
• [72:24] – Discussion of alternative energy, plasma discoveries, scientific paradigm conflicts.

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Notable/Controversial Moments

• The hosts’ consistent use of sarcasm regarding conscription and sacrifice for NATO or Ukraine.
• Open questioning of official narratives on Russia, the West’s motives, & Venezuelan conflict.
• Massie criticizes both parties for enabling endless wars and executive overreach.
• Guests and hosts widely speculate on conspiracies regarding scientific suppression by corporatized government interests.
• Camila Escalante’s on-the-ground reporting gives rare perspective not found in mainstream US media.

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Tone and Style

• Blunt, skeptical, anti-establishment.
• Mix of investigative reporting, opinion, and satire.
• Frequent references to historical precedent, civil liberty, constitutional law.
• Strong adversarial language toward Western leadership, defense industry, and mainstream media.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode offers a hard-hitting critique of evolving Western foreign policy, warning against manipulated consent and rash escalation toward war—particularly with Russia and Venezuela. The hosts assert that mainstream narratives are built on shaky or fabricated pretexts, and they criticize the bipartisan failure to constrain executive military adventurism. Supplementing the political analysis is an exploration of the suspicious suppression of energy innovation, tied to the recent murder of an MIT plasma physicist, highlighting what they see as a pattern of powerful interests stifling transformative science.

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For listeners new and old, this episode is a wide-ranging, skeptical examination of state power—spanning geopolitics, domestic policy, and even the fate of scientific progress—delivered in Redacted’s signature unapologetic style.

Transcript

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It is time to wake up. On this show, we cover the stories the mainstream media won't touch. Live from the Rocky Mountains, welcome to Redacted with Natalie and Clayton Morris. Are you ready? Let's get uncomfortable. Welcome in to redacted on this. This happens a lot. Every time the show starts there's always some kind of chatter happening in the background. I apologize for that. But Welco, welcome into the show. Natalie will be joining us here in a moment. We've got a sick boy, a sick 15 year old son, so we're going to be dealing with him. But she will be here in just moments to get started with the show. We got a very busy show for you. Congressman Thomas Massie is going to be joining us because he just spoke on the floor of Congress a few moments ago about this War Powers Resolution which the votes unfolding as we speak to try to limit presidential authority to go to war. Um, I know there's quite a few individuals saying absolutely, let's go to war. Let's give the President all the power he wants, carry out endless wars. Like that's not what we voted for, of course. So Congressman Massie is going to be joining us in a few moments to talk about war with Venezuela because as Tucker Carlson just reported about an hour and a half ago, he's spoken to members of Congress who say that President Trump tonight will make an announcement declaring war. So here we go. Meanwhile, the west is barreling towards war with Russia. Just a short time ago you have the Chancellor of Germany talking to mobilize, get young people mobilized into the armed forces in order to fight Russia. The same thing happening in the uk. Will your sons and daughters be willing to sacrifice their lives? That is the question of the British government today. You need to be prepared, of course, to go to war. You need to be prepared to die in the name of, I don't know, fighting Russia for some boondoggle. I don't know. Exactly. So we're going to talk about that. Plus we're also going to talk about this MIT scientist who was assassinated, plasma scientist. He's not the first MIT scientist to be assassinated, murdered in his home. This is, this is arguably, if you, if you're an MIT professor, your lifespan is not long because as you barrel towards discovering clean energy, similar things to what Tesla of course had uncovered with etheric energy, atmospheric energy, plasmic plasma, fusion, all of those things, you're not long for this world. And this new, this MIT professor, his name has now been added to a laundry list, a long list actually, of individuals assassinated because they got a little too close to discovering free, cheap energy. Fossil fuel industry absolutely does not like that. So we're going to talk about all of that and more. But first, if you've been seriously Injured, Your case could be worth millions. And you should know exactly what your rights are. That's why I want to tell you about Morgan and Morgan. 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He didn't hold back, and he said they are on a course for collapse. And honestly, looking at what we've just seen in the last 24 hours, it's hard to argue with him at all. It's actually madness what is happening right now. Over the past few hours alone, we've seen a series of developments that make one thing painfully clear. Western leaders are actively trying to manufacture consent for war with Russia that their own people absolutely do not want, of course, and they cannot afford. And they absolutely will lose. I mean, that's the big maybe that's the biggest part of the story. They'll be annihilated. But, okay, go for it. Europe. Over the past few hours alone, we've seen a series of developments that are really troubling. Look at Germany this morning. That country is collapsing. Volkswagen closing its operations there in Germany after 88 years. I mean, the iconic German brand because the economy, energy costs. Sorry, you're closing up shop. Western leaders aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Let's start in Washington. Nut bag neocon Lindsey Graham has just introduced a new bill in the US Senate to officially label Russia a state sponsor of terrorism. Okay, so instead of labeling Ukraine a state sponsor of terror, which they are verifiably, so, the state of Ukraine literally pays and supports reports Azov terrorists to go to apartment complexes in Ukraine that they've identified and they rape young girls and they shoot other people in the head. We have the receipts. So you want to. So you want to label Russia a state sponsor of terror.

[Natalie]

Okay, we're just throwing these words around now. There's terrorists inside the US there's terrorists outside that like everyone's a terrorist now. That Nazi doesn't work anymore. Now you're a terrorist.

[Clayton Morris]

Now we're okay to support this. Yeah, right.

[Natalie]

And the actual terrorists are not terrorists.

[Clayton Morris]

So understand what this means. This designation isn't symbolic. It's a legal trigger. And as legal experts again, explain. Who are much smarter than me. I mean, I'm kind of an idiot. They say that once you slap the label on a nuclear armed superpower, then you're not creating space for negotiations. You're literally closing off every off ramp. Sorry, they're a state sponsor of terror. We can't negotiate with terrorists. You're escalating sanctions, which they're planning to do. You're opening the door for direct military confrontation and basically daring the situation to spiral completely out of control. And Lindsey Graham knows this, by the way. This is the same guy who's been openly calling for regime change in Moscow, joking about assassinating President Putin, joking about the best money he's ever spent is going to sit, you know, kill Russians. Best money we ever spent. Okay. And treating World War 3 like it's some kind of game that he plays with his gay friends in Washington D.C. and this morning, Tucker Carlson kind of nailed it perfectly when he was asked by our friend Judge Knapp about acting independently. And he said, he's not acting independently. He's being used as a tool used by the military industrial complex as a tool. He's being used by foreign interests as a tool used by people who will benefit from chaos while ordinary Americans pay the price. Watch.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

To label Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. How preposterous, absurd, counterproductive is that?

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, it's, it's basically an effort to thwart the United States. It's self harm. I think it's clearly intentional. I have always liked Lindsey Graham. I always will like Lindsey Graham because he's just so charming and funny. But I don't know. I can't tell. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he doesn't know he's being used as an instrument of the destruction of the United States. But he is, whether he knows it or not.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

And so of course, geopolitically.

[Clayton Morris]

So he's right. So now let's talk about Britain because they are pushing the west to war faster than just about anyone else. Former UK Prime Minister and certifia, certifiable moron Boris Johnson is now openly calling for young British men and women to enlist so they can prepare to fight Russia. Watch. Sir Lance Corporal Johnson reporting for duty and responding to the appeal from General Sanders for a citizen army and encouraging young people across the country to think of the attractions, advantages of some kind of military training or service. Because at the moment they think it's either uncool or unethical or perhaps they're not following General Sanders, they're following Colonel Sanders. Okay, okay.

[Natalie]

It's not funny.

[Clayton Morris]

He's hilarious. Yeah, it's like a. I don't know, it's like a. It's not a joke anyway. Think about how insane that is. I mean this is in 1940. Russia is not marching on London. They have no intention of attacking Britain or Europe. There are no Russian tanks heading for Paris or Berlin. Putin said we have no intention of doing anything of the sort. And he laughed about it last week. He said, you guys can't even stop rubber boats filled with illegals who come into your country to rape your women and children. You can't stop anything. So, okay, but yeah, we gotta go to war with them. And just a few minutes ago, Chancellor of Germany Frederick, Frederick Mertz saying the exact same thing. We need to mobilize, basically conscript, build up our army in order to face Russia. Watch. Compulsory.

[Natalie]

That sounds like a draft to me.

[Clayton Morris]

It's exactly what it is, compulsory. So we're going to try to build up our ranks voluntarily. But if we can't do that to face Russia, then we'll make it compulsory. This is Germany, by the way, who what I just mentioned, Volkswagen closing down, energy crisis, A country that is in a recession, arguably heading to a depression. But okay, your biggest concern is Russia. How about care? How about taking care of the German people? There's an idea. That's a novel approach. And yet these idiots are dusting off World War II style rhetoric. Dragging out Churchill cosplay, telling young people to get ready to die for what exactly? NATO blackrock investments in Ukraine? What exactly are you asking these people to die for? But it gets worse because The Chief of UK's Air Staff, Richard Knighton, actually went on the record saying British families must be prepared right now to sacrifice their sons and daughters for war with Russia.

[Andrew Goff]

Sons and daughters, colleagues, veterans, will all have a part to play, to build, to serve, and if necessary to fight. And more families will know what sacrifice for our nation means. That's why it's so important that we do explain the changing threat and the need to stay ahead of it. As I've said, I'm clear that the country's first line of defence is the armed forces. We need to be ready to deter, fight and win today and tomorrow.

[Natalie]

Yeah, the Sbar would say that sounds a lot like putting the cart before the horse. He's saying they need to be ready to die and they don't understand why. So we need to make sure that they understand why they need to be ready to die. Historically speaking, when we hear these heroic stories about people who laid down their lives for the dream that was Rome, they know what they're doing. They have an idea. They're saying, you're not on board yet. Listen to our propaganda and you will be. You'll be ready to lay down their life.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, as David Icke likes to point out, you know, he talks about the idea of, you gotta create the problem, right? And then you have to sell it to people, right? So you need to create the problem first. And that's exactly what we're trying to do here. Like, Russia's the problem. Never mind the fact that he has said this. New era of threat. What new era of threat? Like, where are they manufacturing this from? So if you actually listen to Russia, do you think that Russia wants to take care of an island of Brits? Like, really, like, you think that that's what Russia's into? They want to invade and take over England, right?

[David]

And they're not selling anything. Like, they're not coming out and saying, this is the clear threat, this is the danger.

[Clayton Morris]

This is what we see.

[David]

It's all on. Like, trust us, bro, right?

[Clayton Morris]

Why don't you suppress?

[David]

You need more than that.

[Natalie]

And fight for what? It's not a free country. It's a country that hates most of their own citizens. What are they going to fight for? What is the dream here that they're offering so that your children can live free? Well, they don't. They don't now. So what would you fight for the UK for?

[Clayton Morris]

I guess in the uk, you get the right to have your daughters, like, raped in a park. Like, that's what you're fighting for.

[Natalie]

The right to be arrested for winking at a cop.

[Clayton Morris]

The right to be arrested for waving the British flag. The British flag.

[Chat Participant]

I mean, the right to praying silently.

[Natalie]

At an abortion clinic, singing a Christian hymn in the street.

[Clayton Morris]

Like, what the hell are you actually fighting for in the uk? Biscuits, afternoon tea, which is. Okay, that's actually kind of crappy, if you wanna be honest with you.

[Natalie]

It's like brown water. Why y' all do that?

[Clayton Morris]

Why y' all do that? So let all that. I mean, Russia has not attacked the uk. Russia has not attacked NATO. The entire BS narrative, of course, is built on a lie. And Putin called that out directly this morning. Putin said Western leaders leading their country towards collapse over the false claim that Russia plans to attack Europe. Listen, It's like spot on.

[Natalie]

Show me the lie.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, show me the lie.

[Natalie]

Is he wrong?

[Clayton Morris]

Where is the evidence that he's wrong at all? We've been hearing the same line for years from Putin, by the way. Russia. We've been hearing these stories, right? From European leaders, right? Russia's about to invade Europe. Russia's. Well, Russia won't stop at Ukraine. They're heading for Paris. Russia's coming for NATO. And none of that has happened, of course. What has happened is Western economies collapsing under sanctions that backfired. Energy prices exploding, manufacturing leaving Europe, as I mentioned, Volkswagen closing down, an iconic German brand. Working class families being crushed right now. Oh, and not to mention the birth gap problem. Families are dying out across Europe. Maybe that's why they're bringing in so many illegal immigrants. And America, the same thing. Big decline in birth. No one can afford kids. No one can afford to buy a house. So what? Russia just announced today that no Western country would ever do. They announced this. Russia plans to pay off mortgages for all families with four children. Proposed legislation would forgive parts of the loan after each child, wiping it entirely clean after the fourth child. All in a push to lift the birth rate. Can you imagine have your entire mortgage wiped out because they want you to have a family. They want to promote a nuclear family.

[Chat Participant]

Do you start making money after the fifth and sixth kid?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, you'll start. It'll be like the Fed. They'll start just like printing money, sending it to your house. No, four kids, free mortgage. And of course, they've been doing this for years and it's actually been really successful. We've spoken to, we've spoken to families who've actually lived there, know exactly what this is like and how successful this has been. And it's been really powerful. So if you have four or more kids, mortgage paid off, they'll reward you for it. Putin just announced this today. Could you imagine that happening anywhere in the West? No, because our politicians are more interested in telling families, hey, go kill your kids in a war, than actually have more kids and will take care of your family.

[Natalie]

Now may I add to that that Russia is not a debt based economy because they don't have a global currency and they are dealing with sanctions. So they cannot borrow their way to doing a program like this in the United States. If we were to do that, we could print the money which would devalue the dollar. But because Russia doesn't have that luxury, they are not going to put themselves in debt for things like this on for social services. Isn't that amazing?

[Clayton Morris]

It is amazing. Our next guest can't stand America's debt. That's Congressman Thomas Massie. He is standing by because he was just on the floor of the House of Representatives, of course, pushing for these war powers resolution. We're gonna talk about this new concurrent resolution to limit the ability of the president of the United States to engage in wars, specifically with Venezuela and then also in the Western hemisphere so maybe an end to these endless wars. How many votes, how much support does he have? We're gonna talk to the congressman in moments about that.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton Morris]

I love all the women in the chat that are always it always.

[Natalie]

How I pronounce they always say.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, they always make fun of how you pronounce it. Like the way you say Tesla.

[Natalie]

Stop it. I have made colostrum from my own boobies. That means I can say it however I want.

[Clayton Morris]

All right, Hands off.

[Natalie]

So come at me, bro.

[David]

Come out.

[Natalie]

I nurse three babies, four years.

[Clayton Morris]

Every time I'm not having that. I just love reading the chat room because it's always like, they always do it. Spell it phonetically in the chat room.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, they say colostrum.

[Clayton Morris]

Colostrum. Anyway, to the tens of thousands of you watching right now, hands off the boobies.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, we don't need to talk anymore about my boobies, but all right. Yeah, I've earned the right. I've made that myself.

[Clayton Morris]

It's one of my favorite topics.

[Natalie]

I'm a mammal.

[Clayton Morris]

But I guess we have to talk about war. Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie is leading the charge in Congress to get a war powers resolution signed that would limit President Trump's ability to engage in war with Venezuela. Earlier today, Massie spoke on the floor of the House to talk about the war powers vote.

[Andrew Goff]

Watch friends on the other side of.

[Clayton Morris]

The aisle have a problem with this. I mean, this is the most basic stuff. I now yield three minutes to the gentleman from Kentucky. Mr. Massie.

[Tucker Carlson]

The gentleman from Kentucky is recognized for three minutes.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Mr. Speaker James Madison warned us that in no part of the Constitution is more wisdom to be found than in the clause which confides the question of war and peace to the legislature and not the executive. Madison called it the crown jewel of Congress. The framers understood a simple truth to the extent that war making power devolves to one person. Liberty dissolves. Dissolves if the President believes.

[Clayton Morris]

Congressman Massie joins us now fresh off the floor of the House. Congressman, great to see you again. Welcome back to the the Show.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Great to be on the show. I've been watching for like 20 minutes. I wanted to comment on everything from narco terrorism to colostrum, but.

[Natalie]

Well, go ahead.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, the floor is yours.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

I, I, I have a farm. I have a farm. And it is so important for baby calves, if they don't get that colostrum in the first 24 hours, you basically miss your window and you're looking at about a 50% mortality rate for any bovine that doesn't get the colostrum. So some farmers keep an emergency ration of colostrum in, in their freezer in case the calf is born and the cow has problem nursing. So that stuff is really important. I can vouch for it. I haven't made it like you have, Natalie, but I sure hope my cow.

[Natalie]

I am a gangster. That basically was magic. It's magic what we can do. That's real feminism for you.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

One other thing I wanted to comment just from watching your show. You know the trick of defining an administration as terrorists or supporters of terrorism? That's what they're doing in real time right now in Venezuela. And there's the argument made. The counter argument to my argument on the floor is that, oh, the President doesn't need a vote of Congress to go to war in Venezuela because these are our terrorists. We're not at war. We're combating terrorism. So you really do have to be careful when they roll that word out. Or weapons destruction. You know, be, be on the lookout whenever you hear those words.

[Natalie]

Now, I've seen some congressmen now taking to their ex account saying, ooh, I just got a briefing and there are terrorists, these drugs are, are coming into the United States. The President's doing the best thing ever. We're all on board. What was that briefing? Did you finally find some proof that Venezuela is shipping drugs directly into the United States? Where is it?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Look, I've been in those briefings where phones are ringing in women's purses and you're supposed to leave the phone outside of the room. And so these are allegedly top secret briefings. And, and in my 13 years of being in Congress, I've only once ever received information that I thought wasn't already in the New York Times or on Facebook. So I did not go to that briefing. Sometimes I go, so just so I can say there was nothing there. There was no there there. But in this instance, I didn't go to the briefing because they never tell you anything there. And it's just, it gives congressmen the chance to come out of that room and say, oh, now I'm smarter than my constituents. And, and therefore now I realize we don't have to follow the Constitution. We don't need to do a War Powers Resolution. What in the world could you hear in a classified briefing that would convince you to abandon the Constitution? That would be my question.

[Clayton Morris]

That's a great question. This War Powers Resolution, what exactly does it do? What kind of teeth does it have? What support do you have? And then, of course, I guess the follow up is that President Trump, according to reports, is tonight going to come out with a nationally televised address basically declaring war on Venezuela.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Yeah, by the way, you guys are so on top of this. I'm still wearing the same suit that I wore when I gave that speech. And the debate is over. I'm on your podcast, and when I leave this podcast, I'm actually going to go vote on that bill. So your podcast is right between the debate and the vote, people are going to get a little bit confused because there are actually two war powers resolutions on the floor right now. One covers the entire Western Hemisphere and presumably boats that aren't flagged by Venezuela, but maybe the president wants to blow up. The other covers just Venezuela or ships that are flagged by Venezuela. And so what's going to happen is I think the vote that's just limited to limiting the president's attacks on Venezuela is going to pass. I think that's going to be successful. I've talked to several Republican congressmen who are going to vote for it. And the Democrats, you know, they pretend to be anti war, but when it's their own president in the White House, they're just about. For every war there is now, there may be a contingent of 30 or 40 Democrats who will go against their own president. But now that Trump is in the White House, every Democrat is anti War. The 30 who are truly anti war and the rest who come along just because they're against Trump. But the right thing to do, not the political thing to do, is to vote for this. So you'll see, in addition to the Democrats, you'll see some Republicans vote for it, and we'll get to 218. It will pass with the majority. But the one, the war powers resolution that covers the entire Western Hemisphere is likely not to pass because some Republicans think it's too limiting. And I'm going to be voting for both of them, although I did not debate for the one that covers the entire Western Hemisphere and I did not co sponsor that one, but I will vote for it. The one that I co sponsored is the one that's limited to Venezuela, which is the recent hotspot. And it's very timely. And I did, and that's the one I was speaking for there on the floor. And just when you cover this, there's going to be online people who are trying to report the roll call on this. Remember, there's going to be two different roll calls. And don't confuse the two.

[Clayton Morris]

That's a great point. One on Venezuela, one on Western Hemisphere war powers. Go ahead, Natalie.

[Natalie]

Well, I want to know, will the Trump administration be bound by this if in fact it passes? Because technically we see presidents can expand the mission. Mission creep. And like, okay, I won't go to war But I'm going to do these things, which is basically what we're doing in Somalia, and they can rebrand it and keep doing what they want to do, or Congress could enforce what they are going to vote for, we hope. Knocking on wood. And we would see then a real, you know, constitutional war happening between Congress and the executive office, which I think most people would favor, if it were good natured, if it were to keep us out of war. So Scott Horton is saying, look, the people demanded we stay out of Syria, and we pretty much didn't go in because of the people's efforts here. So will the Trump administration abide by this, do you think, or are we heading into a bigger fight?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

What's interesting, that Scott Horton used the Syria example. I was gonna use that as an example of why you should be skeptical, because Obama and John Kerry said they were gonna come to Congress and get authorization to use military force. By the way, Congress.

[Clayton Morris]

Hope. We're having some signal issues here.

[Chat Participant]

I'm trying to get him reconnected here.

[Natalie]

I was wondering if the chat room could hear him where we could.

[Andrew Goff]

Okay.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

See if we're back on.

[Ghostbed Advertiser]

Yep.

[Andrew Goff]

All right.

[Clayton Morris]

We can hear you now, Congressman. Okay.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Okay. Oh, okay. Sorry about that.

[Ghostbed Advertiser]

We're.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Have a sketchy Internet connection.

[Clayton Morris]

No worries.

[Andrew Goff]

Shotgun.

[Natalie]

They're jamming a signal on purpose.

[Clayton Morris]

Right.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Are we connected to that?

[Clayton Morris]

There we go.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, you can flip. That's cool.

[Ghostbed Advertiser]

All right.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

All right. Are we still here?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, there we are.

[Natalie]

We were talking about Syria.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Syria? Yeah. So Obama and John Kerry were going to come to Congress to get an AUMF on Syria, and it became obvious that there weren't the votes to do it. So what happened is they. They withdrew to try to have a vote, and they conducted a secret war in Syria Right now. That's why I'm saying you're right to be skeptical. The other reason to be skeptical.

[Clayton Morris]

Natalie.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Is the president ultimately can veto this, and then it takes 2/3 vote of Congress to override his veto. That's sort of backwards, if you ask me. And ultimately going to continue operations. You have to come back to us for another vote. But this vote will not give him authority. It would preclude him from doing any more, though, if it's passed in the Senate and he doesn't veto it.

[Clayton Morris]

Congressman, we'll get you out of here in a minute. I know you have to get back there for the vote, but you've been a thorn in Trump's side and in the side of special interest which seemingly control most of Washington. Including, I think, a lot of the Trump White House. You've been trying to get the US to stop funding the war in Ukraine, the genocide in Gaza. I guess that's why the military industrial complex types don't like you. And that's why Trump is supporting, supporting your opponent in Kentucky, specifically, a guy by the name of Ed Gowering. Here's his new campaign ad, which kind of pretends to care about the people of Kentucky. Watch now.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Ed's on a new mission to join.

[Clayton Morris]

President Trump's team and stand up for America in combat. The mission fails when Eagle comes from Fort Duty and Congress. Thomas Massie does just that, undermining President.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Trump's plan to save America. I'm Ed Gowran in Washington. I'll fight for the Trump agenda and.

[Clayton Morris]

Stand up for America. Unleash our economy, lower taxes, stop the woke trans nonsense. But wait a second. I don't know if you guys saw that. Did you guys catch a problem there? Maybe you could, like, look a little closer at this. Here's a screenshot of that ad. And this little happy white family, supposed to be a Kentucky family, kind of hanging out on the couch on a Saturday afternoon, presumably like FaceTiming grandma, supposed to be a Kentucky family. It turns out it's not a Kentucky family at all. It's a Ukrainian family through a Ukrainian modeling agency based in Ukraine. There you can see from the M Agency. And here you can see them in another ad. This is a Ukrainian grocery store. They're all happy. They're always happy. Kids are never happy in the grocery store, but these kids are here. They are walking through the streets of Ukraine. You can see it's snowing there in Ukraine, but I guess they're. I guess they're Kentuckians. I'm not exactly sure. So a very happy Ukrainian family, but definitely not from Kentucky. By the way, if you go to Ed's website, Congressman, right now, the video is still on the front page of Ed's website.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

It says they'll lower their taxes.

[Natalie]

We did that for Ukraine.

[Clayton Morris]

I didn't catch that. Yeah, lower the taxes in Ukraine, I guess. What do you make of this?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, I mean, there are a lot of funny things to say. I'll say the serious thing first, which is he's not ready for prime time. He's hoping to run sort of an astroturf campaign, spend the minimum amount possible and let these billionaires do a super PAC to carry him across the finish line. And the billionaires are Miriam Adelson, John Paulson, and Paul Singer. Three Israel first billionaires who are upset. Not that I didn't vote for the big beautiful bill, they're upset that I don't send your money overseas to Israel. Not for bombs, not to support their basically publicly funded abortions. People need to know that I've introduced a bill that says we're not going to send foreign aid to any country that publicly funds abortions, which includes Israel. But he's relying on that. That's the serious part, is that his campaign really isn't ready for primetime. You know, this is day one that they've been put on notice that they're using a fake family from Ukraine in their ad. We're going to count how many days it takes him to take them out of their ad. Maybe he'll go all the way to May with the fake Ukrainians. But the, you know, what I'm saying is if he's going to send his campaign money to Ukraine, you can be darn sure he'd send your taxpayer dollars to Ukraine. And what's it say about a candidate who doesn't have enough support in Kentucky to find a Kentucky family or won't spend his money on Kentucky models? By the way, this model can be not just a Kentucky dad. He's an engineer, he's a doctor, he's a farmer. If you go to the modeling agency, this guy can be anything for you because he's in Ukraine.

[Clayton Morris]

When I saw this, I immediately thought, well, wait a second, this is Ukrainian family. This is a Ukrainian ad agency that they're using. Obviously when you've got these types of people that are funded by Miriam Adelson and all of these warmongers who obviously want us sending our money overseas, is this in part maybe funded by Ukraine? That's what I wanted to know. Is there some money coming from Ukrainian sources? Do we know any information about that?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, some of the characters who are running the super PAC against me have worked in countries overseas, Israel like they promised and helped on elections. Now they're not real successful in parliaments and stuff in Europe and is true, but they do work overseas and get money from foreign governments and foreign politicians to try and work over there. So maybe it's just the same bag of tricks, the same models that they use. You know, also I want to give credit to my team who's been with me for many years. They did a reverse image search on the actor because he didn't look like a Kentuckian. Nobody constituents. This is the magic of AI and reverse image searches. He found out this guy's Ukrainian and he works in Ukraine. So that's what a good campaign can do. And a bad campaign is going to run with the Ukrainian family until they are so embarrassed that they take it off. Off the air and off the Internet. But it's still. You can click on. He's still using. Right there.

[Natalie]

One thing he says there is, I'm gonna push Trump's agenda. And that sort of set off my little alarm bell as, what is that worth anymore? Because Trump's agenda, we thought, was anti war and lowering government spending, and we got exactly the opposite. So I wonder what that dog whistle is even worth. What is the currency on that feels like it's sort of plummeted in value?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, if he wants to push the agenda that Trump campaigned on, he should vote for me and get out of this race.

[Natalie]

Right? Yeah. You stayed consistent.

[Clayton Morris]

Go ahead, fool.

[David]

Can I chime in real quick? Because the one thing that caught me out of that was, was they implied.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

That.

[David]

You'Re not doing your duty to. And it's like, when is it. Since when is Congress's duty to do the bidding of the President? I think the framers had that an entirely different light. It's not Congress's duty to do what the president wants is to keep him in check.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, no.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

If every legislator votes for what the president wants, we don't have a press king. And if every legislator votes for mob rule on any given day, then, you know, we also don't have a republic. If every legislator votes for the Constitution and what they represented to the people when they campaigned, then we have a republic. So that's what I'm doing. And that's the stark contrast that I'm making with my opponent is that. Do you want a rubber stamp? I vote with the Republicans 91% of the time, but in the 9% of the time, they're starting a new war, bankrupting our country or protecting pedophiles. I diverge from the party in that 9%. I think 91% compliance is almost too much. But I'm willing to lend to help and be a team player, but I'm not willing to be a stamp.

[Clayton Morris]

By the way, we should mention that we did reach out to Ed Gallrain's campaign for a response, asking, you know, did your campaign pay these Ukrainian actors? And why are you not using Kentucky models or actors? We have yet to get a response, but when we do, we will report it, maybe in our newsletter as well. Congressman Massie, great to see you. Good luck on the vote. In a short amount of Time here. Keep us back posted, and we'll be watching what the President has to say about this tonight. And then also, I should say, Friday, I guess, before we get out of here, maybe. 30 seconds. Congressman. Friday, big day. Of course. Epstein Files Transparency Release. What are you expecting?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Oh, boy. I don't know. I'll tell you Saturday morning. But I do hope, I'm hopeful, that the chief law enforcement officer of the land, Attorney General Pam Bondi, will follow the most recent law that was signed by the President, which is the Epstein Files Transparency Act. It does require her to release, not to just to Congress, but to the entire public in a searchable format by Friday, all of the Epstein files in her possession and the FBI's possession and U.S. attorney's possession. We did see some movement already. The three judges who had previously refused to release any of the grand jury material have now reversed themselves in light of my new legislation and said they're going to give the grand jury material to the DOJ to release. So there has been some movement. Let's wait and see if the chief law enforcement officer of the land complies with the law before I talk about what our remedies would be. But she will open herself up to serious legal consequences if she does not. And also because this is not a subpoena, this law does not expire. And because it's directed at the office of the Attorney General and not Pam Bondi, if she were to resign and somebody were elsewhere to take that seat, they would also be in legal jeopardy if they don't comply with this. So that's where we are. I'm hopeful, but we're going to verify. And people say, how will you know if they have released all the files? Well, we've got the victims who are talking to me through their lawyer, and they know of at least 20 names they've given the FBI. And if we don't see new names of people who are accused of sex crimes, then we know they're not releasing the files that they have.

[Clayton Morris]

Congressman. Congressman Massie, America first and colostrum expert. We always. We always appreciate you joining us here. Good luck on the vote. Good. Good luck on the vote this afternoon. Congressman, great to see you.

[Natalie]

Enthusiast, but not manufacturer.

[Clayton Morris]

Enthusiast, yes, manufacturer.

[Natalie]

I think that I'm the only one on the show right now who's ever actually made it before.

[Clayton Morris]

I hope so.

[Natalie]

So we have no other women on the show.

[Clayton Morris]

Jury's out on David.

[David]

I've never even tried.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, jury's out. We'll see about that. Yeah.

[Chat Participant]

No, I I. I'm pretty sure I got close ones.

[Natalie]

Because you were taking those trans drugs. We did a whole segment about men who were trying to lactate through artificial hormones, and I was mad as snakes about it because they can't make colostrum. They're making some kind of synthetic. Whatever. Whatever. Don't get me started. Anyhow.

[Clayton Morris]

All right. Hey, we got more news to get to.

[Natalie]

Let me ask you. He just said, I'm in touch with the victims, whose lawyers have told me at least 20 names. Meaning he knows 20 names, we do not. Is that what I was. Did I infer correctly?

[Clayton Morris]

Yes. And so if those names then appear as part of this new tranche of evidence, they're going to know right away and have, like, sort of confirmation that they're now actually releasing information.

[Camila Escalante]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

So this is huge.

[Natalie]

So if we don't see.

[Clayton Morris]

If we see the same stuff. Yeah, we'll know where we are. If we see, like, those guys. I don't know, like, what's his name? Like, D.C. drano and, like, Jack Posobec. Holding up binders.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, if they give it to us in a binder, we know what's up.

[Natalie]

That's not it.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, we're in for it.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Clayton Morris]

All right.

[Natalie]

We want the name drops, guys. Okay. We're about to talk Venezuela, because again, Congress is about to vote on whether or not the President should withdraw from Venezuela. We're going to talk about how. Yeah, we're stealing ships. That's fun. Bombing ships. Stealing ships. We're just doing that.

[Clayton Morris]

Also, we're going to talk about mit. This MIT professor assassinated in his home, what was he working on? Plasma, plasma, fusion technology, and specifically clean energy. And by the way, he's not the only MIT professor who's gotten too close to this subject and then been assassinated in his house. There's a long list, actually, of individuals who've really followed in the footsteps of Tesla. But the. Any. The energy industry is pissed off, so I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just asking questions. And we're going to ask questions about this MIT professor that was just assassinated. But first.

[Natalie]

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[Natalie]

All right. Well, President Trump escalated the rhetoric and military pressure on Venezuela this week, touting a blockade on oil tankers and accusing the country of threatening U.S. interests. Now Congress is saying, oh, we've been briefed by the president. He's right. They're terrorists. They're doing stuff. You don't know it, but they're doing it and we want war with them. President Trump is expected to address the nation tonight. We don't know exactly what he's going to say. This happens at 9pm Eastern. But there are speculations that one of two things, maybe one, he's going to tout the merits of his fiscal policy. He's been on a tour saying the economy's great, it's going to get even better. You just hold on to your horses. More concerning, though, is that some say that he is about to announce a war with Venezuela. Here is Judge Napolitano and Tucker Carlson this morning on a live stream. Satan, just this watch.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Is Trump going to start a war in Venezuela? I don't know.

[Tucker Carlson]

I don't know. When this program airs, the one that we're on right now, this thinks maybe.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

We'Re live now and then it'll be posted immediately.

[David]

So.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

So my sense is I, I don't know the answer. I, I've certainly been on the phone a lot about it. I have no power, I'm a podcaster. But I, I'm very interested. And so here's what I know so far, which is that members of Congress were briefed yesterday that a war is coming and it'll be announced in the address to the Nation tonight at 9 o' clock by the president. Who knows, by the way, if that will actually happen? I don't know. And I never want to overstate what I know, which is pretty limited in general, but a member of Congress told me that this morning.

[Natalie]

Okay, well, he's hoping he's wrong. I'm hoping he's wrong. Let's all hope they're. They're wrong. Unless I don't know what. Joining us is Camila Escalante. She recently was in Venezuela and reported from the ground. Thank you for joining us. I want to ask you now that American congressmen are coming to their Twitter page and saying, oh, I Have some proof. This is definitely about terrorism. What do you think the narrative would be if they are in fact going to sell this full board?

[Camila Escalante]

There hasn't been a shred of evidence shown to us. We still don't have a single piece of evidence or information about the identities of those almost 100 people who were extrajudicially killed at sea since early September. We have no idea who they are. To be able to say that they're fishermen, to be able to say that they were or were not doing anything, we have to presume it's completely made up. Because if they have that evidence that they were part of some sort of criminal organization or people who have had involvement or charges similar to this before, then surely they would come out with it. People have been demanding this information. So it seems like it's all just part of this same completely made up in part psyop that is actually just their design to wear us all down, exhaust us, keep people wondering and asking questions. And they even held this supposed intelligence briefing to Congress in which probably nothing new was brought to light. It's all just claims that they're making up and they're disseminating and deploying over social media and through their different information channels to try to confuse people when in no way is it about drugs. We've even seen the renewal and extension of sanctions by the EU pitted against Venezuela, sanctions that were rolled out in 2017. And nowhere in the reasoning for sanctioning Venezuela have they even mentioned drug trafficking or organized crime. They're still on the line about human rights and democracy as always. So it's really just the United States who's trying to make this about narco terrorism or whatever it is.

[Natalie]

I mean, you and I know that the State Department produces these annual reports on every country in the world is basically like, what do we think about Ukraine in the year 2025? What do we think about Venezuela? And drug. The drug line, the through line is not. So they'd have to basically go back and edit those 1984 style in order to sell this. But Congress is acting like, oh, but we have something new. And so those of you who think you're studied, you're not, right? And so how the heck are we supposed to buy that? I mean, I want to sort of always leave this little like maybe I'm being cynical, maybe there's something there. Can you see anything in the little hole that I'm leaving for the benefit of the doubt?

[Camila Escalante]

Well, it's a part of a very elaborate but messy and transparent plan that they have because they need the pretext, obviously. They've actually dropped the pretext. They don't even need a pretense anymore. And they're just doing whatever they want pretty much out in the open, but they can't do everything like that. So there are a lot of military movements around the region, a lot of agreements being signed as well, in order for the United States, southcom to be able to position itself militarily around the region. They have bases, is all around South America, all parts of South America, Central America and the Caribbean, as you've seen. And really this is why Venezuela refers to Trinidad now as a US Air carrier. They're saying that these countries are being used in order to position the US Military around Venezuela for its future war. And to be able to do that, they've gone for years, including under the Biden administration, to each one of these countries and coerced them into signing these military agreements under the guise of being a security cooperation in which they will, these different countries and their militaries will be given new equipment to the tunes of, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of things, as well as training and to be able to update and maintain, maintain their military and police if they allow these countries to do things like install a new US Radar system like on the island of Tobago. And so they're signing these agreements in places like Ecuador and Costa Rica and Paraguay. And this week we're seeing the return of U.S. troops to the Manta Air Base in Ecuador. There's all sorts of movements taking place, not just the positioning of, of these ships in the Caribbean Sea and these crazy rogue operations in the Pacific, but they're also essentially occupying portions of other countries. And once these countries enter into these agreements, as we've seen in the case of Honduras and Colombia, which now have leftist progressive governments that are very much trying to be neutral or actually support Venezuela, but it's impossible to back out of these agreements. They're stuck with the Yankees.

[Natalie]

And so, you know, we were watching the news in my house and my nephew saw the bombs of these fishermen boats and he goes, you can just do that? You can just go. And I was like, no, you're not supposed to. But I guess my question to you is, who's gonna stop us? If Congress maybe passes this law, will the president abide by it or will they continue? We really don't know. They can continue to expand the mission. So in a real world scenario, what would make this stop?

[Camila Escalante]

Well, one thing that could be happening that we're not really going to have information on. Even someone like Tucker Carlson will likely not know this in advance, is that there are always ongoing dialogue, channels open and possibility of dialogue between President Maduro and his envoys and Trump's envoy that they could be talking right now, for all we know, in the hours leading up to Trump's address tonight. So anything could change in a small amount of time. There are a lot of other, you know, there's a lot of factors. There's been complete recklessness on the part of the US Government that actually has brought in a number of other countries into this, into this situation. They have obviously killed, we know that they have killed at least people from Trinidad and Colombia as well, citizens on those boats who are said to be fishermen. And this is affecting the business of the different regional airlines, the majority of which are not Venezuelan Airlines, such as copa, that's a Panamanian airline. And their ability to make money and travel to and from Venezuela, it's making it extremely dangerous, dangerous to travel throughout the Caribbean. And there have been some near accidents above Curacao and such. And so there's a lot of pressures right now, economic pressures. These are considered to be important stakeholders as well, these different kinds of businesses that are trying to operate in the region, not just in Venezuela, but in the rest of the Caribbean. So they're probably exerting pressure on their own governments and on the United States as well. So things could change really quickly. But in the meantime, it's not just the military pressure. It's not just an attempt to impose a naval and air blockade in Venezuela. There have also been cyber attacks against Perveza, the state oil company of Venezuela, and other sorts of attacks like the ones against Venezuelan infrastructure that we've seen in recent years that's also designed to mount pressure in lots of ways. But the important thing to say is that the reason why the United States has to escalate militarily right now against Venezuela is because Venezuela has actually been victorious in overcoming the sanctions war, the economic war. They're actually in a period of economic recovery in which you see stores, you see businesses, you see foreign investors returning to the country. Things are getting better, tourism looks better. Everything has gotten better in the last few years, and people are able to buy things like normal. So they really have been able to overcome a lot of what had caused the most harm in the crisis during those years. And not only that, we saw the head of the Bolivarian Armed Forces, defense minister, come out with his statement. This is the same person who was commanded over the Venezuelan military since all of this for the last decade, they've not been able to bribe away a single high level functionary and certainly not anyone from the military during all of this. So it has been a complete failure. The strategy since at least Obama against Venezuela, but actually dating back to the beginning of Hugo Chavez's term in office has been a complete failure. So that's why they've had to continue escalating, escalating until this point.

[Natalie]

Now one thing I'm worried about, this will be my last question, is that the United States could very well turn South America into the Middle East. And by that I mean that our continued war crimes in the Middle east turns extremists against Americans. We saw that with the Pulse nightclub shooting. I could go on and on, right. Of all of these attacks on Americans because of what we do there and that these people have said so explicitly, is there a chance that South Americans could rally together against the United States? I mean, I know that this is a collection of very, very different temperates temperatures of countries, but what do you think of this concern that I've got?

[Camila Escalante]

Well, I think it's a really important question that South Americans and people across Latin America and the Caribbean are having to ask themselves right now how to exert pressure on the different governments. Because as some people and some governments have stated, any war on Venezuela, even if it has specific narrow targets, even if you believe such a thing exists, would have an immediate effect on all of the surrounding countries. Certainly Colombia and Colombia is being dragged into this in more ways than are even being mentioned. Just this week the US government designated another supposed criminal organization active in Colombia as a foreign terrorist organization. So obviously this is part of their larger strategy is to involve a lot of these different countries. They're making similar statements about the different narco activity in Mexico as well. So it seems like they're pushing for some sort of regional war that affects large swaths of the continent. They just want to destabilize. Ultimately it is a empire in decline. They want to set fires everywhere. They can bring everyone down wherever they can. They want to destabilize, they want chaos, they want vacuums. They want to be able to have countries be completely parted and parceled out because they, you know, this is the only way that they'll be able to fight for power anywhere. And so on the one hand they're looking at the strategy of trying to rig elections, to influence peddle, to try to interfere in the electoral processes and that way get in control or put leaders into different countries but then they're also just trying to cause instability and chaos everywhere.

[Natalie]

Well, thank you so much. You do a great job of explaining the threat or lack thereof, and why the Trump administration would continue to sell this. So I ask you, the audience, are you gonna buy it? Are you here to buy a new war? And if so, why? Thank you again, Camila. It's been great to talk to you and I hope to speak again.

[Camila Escalante]

Thank you.

[Clayton Morris]

All right. Amazing. All right, coming up here on the show, we're going to talk about this MIT scientist who was assassinated in his home. Of course, all comes like eerily similarly close to what just happened at Brown University in Rhode island there. But this individual is getting very close to or actually had achieved some incredible breakthroughs in clean energy technology. He's not the first MIT scientist to be assassinated. When you get a little too close to maybe discovering energy that we could all have for free, that we don't have to fill up our gas tanks anymore. Interesting. We're gonna talk about that.

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Well, why do so many scientists who discover or work on clean energy suddenly find themselves killed? Well, this is a strange story. Nunu Lairo. Yeah, he was until yesterday MIT's leading nuclear fusion scientist. His plasma research led to incredible clean energy breakthroughs. Clean tech, no fossil fuels. He was murdered at his home on Monday. Here is the news report. Shot dead at 47 years old Nunu Laro. Am I saying that right? The Portuguese. I know, I was practicing it all morning. I lived in Portugal for five years and you think I'd be able to to nail it? Anyway, he's from Lisbon originally. One could argue like Tesla before his ultimate untimely death. That new news plasma physics research could have changed the world. You could argue that. Sources have confirmed to redacted that he had made a few energy giants very nervous. Turns out that he's not the first MIT fusion scientist to suddenly be murdered in his home. In 1989, Eugene Malov exposed a cold Fusion cover up by the Department of Energy and MIT itself. There he is. He even wrote a book about it called Fire from Ice. Searching for the truth behind the Cold Fusion Fuhrer. Before he was murdered, he talked about how threatening this research, how threatening this research was to the powers that be.

[Andrew Goff]

What we really had was a threat to the scientific establishment. The threat of it even being implied. Implied as real, and having monies, shall we say, being diverted from their favored programs. And that was a threat. It was real. Overwhelmingly compelling. As I said in Fire from Ice, it was real. Now it's 100% certain.

[Clayton Morris]

Hmm, interesting. Overwhelmingly real. Meanwhile, so coincidence. What did Nunu know? Andrew Goff is a former History Channel host, researcher, investigator. He's also the host of Conspiracy Hour on Unified tv and he joins me now. Andrew, great to see you. Thank you for doing this.

[Andrew Goff]

It's great to be on the show. Thank you. It's a very disturbing story, is it not?

[Clayton Morris]

It is. And when you think about the laundry list of individuals I was speaking to a source today said, it's very, very sad because, you know, look, there's a long list of individuals who've gotten very close to the sun, so to speak, where we might have free energy and suddenly these people are murdered or they disappear or they're locked up and thrown behind in jail. What do you make of this?

[Andrew Goff]

Yeah, it's just the latest in a long line of similar incidents.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Right.

[Andrew Goff]

So anybody who has a cure for a disease, it could be cancer, it could be almost anything. It could be the individuals who find out how to power autism automobiles with water, not gasoline or petrol. They're murdered, they're suicided, they go missing. It's as though the establishment has a iron grip on what is allowed to be used, such as free energy. I mean, Tesla was found dead in his apartment for no apparent reason. We're not taught about things like the ether, we're not taught about what Tesla discovered. We have to kind of go and research that on our own. So it's very disturbing that Nunu has been murdered. And the question is, what had he discovered? What was he about to announce? And when you think of the fact that, fact that he was responsible for MIT fusion and plasma division, you know, that opens up the possibilities to not just free energy, but what's plasma? What is the energy that he's studying and has to do with the sun, it has to do with the moon, it has to do with so many things that he could have been just about to reveal. And thus there's a good motive for silencing him.

[Clayton Morris]

You know, I've spoken to sources here on the show, members of the military, members of the US Military, whistleblowers and others who've worked on the secret space program. My viewers know them well. We have a big interview that's coming out this week on that topic. Specifically, they've seen this plasma technology in action, at least specifically within the secret space program, within the confidential halls of the military, in a military capacity or otherwise. So a civilian, by all accounts, at MIT gets, Gets close to discovering or harnessing what we already know we have. And therein lies the conflict.

[Andrew Goff]

No, absolutely. And it reminds me, in a way of cern, where the stated objective is xyz, but really they're doing something completely different. I don't know if you can recall back in the day, maybe 15 years ago, when there was a reporter interviewing the director of CERN, and she was enthusiastically saying, you've spent billions on this facility, yet the world has people who are starving and homeless. Wouldn't this money have been better spent doing some good to society as opposed to smashing atoms? And the gentleman continues to defend what the purpose of CERN is all about. To find out how the universe began. This goes back and forth and back and forth. And she's agitating him to know when. And finally he just blurts out, well, what. What price would you put on time travel? And she said, did you just say time travel? So thus, that whole interview has been scrubbed. It's gone. And you have to wonder, was Nuno really about to come forward with something to do with free energy, or was it even more abstract than that?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's a great point. Maybe you could educate our audience a little bit if you can. I don't know, from a scientific, scientific perspective, what would maybe some of, like, this plasma study and why this is so. Maybe important?

[Andrew Goff]

Well, plasma and fusion has so many different ramifications. Nuclear energy, it has to do with.

[Clayton Morris]

With.

[Andrew Goff]

I mean, there are those who believe strongly that the Moon is plasma, right? You know, the moon, you've never seen the dark side of the Moon because it doesn't rotate. There are those who believe that the Moon is plasma and shows a snapshot of the known and unknown continents on Earth, and it's not 248,000 miles away. The. The sun which Nuno was studying is not 93 million miles away. What if he was about to reveal the sun and the moon, or within the snow globe of our Earth that we know is the firmament? There's no telling what it was that he had discovered or was about to reveal. And if it was going to be a discovery about free energy, well, that's not new news. Those who have investigated what Tesla was really up to have known about harnessing of the ether to create free energy. And there's whole schools of thought today about how in recent times, architecture of a world that remains in front of us, we see every day as we walk and drive to work, harness this free energy. But that has been deconstructed so that things like electricity providers and energy providers can profit, right?

[Clayton Morris]

Absolutely. I mean, it's all about profit. And again, I don't know if you heard the top of the segment. I've heard from sources today who told me that he was getting too close to a couple of energy. Shall I say he was agitating some energy companies with his work? So I'm not surprised. And when you talk about Tesla and you think about the etheric energy, here's a guy who literally found out how to harness just the energy in the atmosphere. And we spoke to yesterday to Dr. Waiping Yu, I did a deep dive interview with him yesterday about electricity as an effect. He's like, you know, people don't understand that electricity is not like a thing that you pull from the app. It is literally an effect. When you rub magnets together, it creates electricity. When you're creating this friction, it can create electricity. So it's so. He's like, it's so archaic if you think about it. But imagine like the power of magnetism, the power of plasma, the power of electromagnetism for, you know, gravitic propulsion technology, and all of these things that we know we have. You know, we know these guys have this technology, but they're not letting us see it. So we have to still pay gas bills. We still have to fill up a gas tank, you know, stop at Costco and get gas for cheaper, because it's a little bit cheaper there. We pay electricity bills. It's so infuriating.

[Andrew Goff]

Well, again, anyone who's made a discovery like this, and many have made a discovery about free energy, he's not the first first, he won't be the last. But they all sort of end up in the same dire circumstances. But those who have cures for cancer and other illnesses, nobody wants a cure. You know, what the world of big business wants, apparently, is us to continue to be unwell, because unwell equates to profitable. We need pharmaceuticals. And this is just another example of that and seems to be flying under the radar. It's not getting a lot of attention. Sure, it's on the news wires, but why he may have been murdered is not something you see in the mainstream media.

[Clayton Morris]

Well. And they still don't know who his killer is. The manhunt continues to try to find this individual. The same the manhunt continues to try to, to find the killer in the Brown University shootings as well. So I guess we'll have to wait and see who they find. I'm sure some sort of patsy will be put forth if they ever do find anybody. For new news, murder. It's really tragic and sad. One other story I wanted to get your take on though is about this story out of Greece. I found this fascinating as we've been looking, of course, at the history of the, the pyramids and all the recent discoveries over the past year beneath the pyramids, these large chambers and so forth. What comes this story out of Greece, this unbelievable find, an intact construction of a wall that is now 17,000 years older than the pyramids. Like if you wrap your head around how long it takes to just pass a year to think 17, 17,000 years older than the pyramids with in many ways, like advanced technology that this wall would, was could actually heat to provide heat, which is crazy to me. Maybe you can tell us a little bit about this. I just found this discovery to be fascinating.

[Andrew Goff]

Well, it is fascinating and it's a part of Greece, Central Greece, just a little bit to the north Central. And it's famous. This cave is the Theopetra Cave for all sorts of discoveries, ancient Stone Age tools, things that nobody really wants to talk about, such as footprints of a child. That conventional archaeology is dated to 135,000 years old. But that's too old for people to want to talk about or it can consider because it, it just wreaks havoc on what conventional archaeology has, has created. And, and here we have this limestone wall created to keep the inhabitants warm from the, the wintry conditions. And it dates to 17,000 years older than the Great Pyramid or Stonehenge. And what I find really interesting about that is a discovery like this will make the news because it's close to the date of something that by consensus everyone agrees on. One example of a really old archaeological site that everyone agrees is the true age is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, dating to about, about, you know, 9, 10, 11, 000 years old. It's very unusual that conventional archaeologists agree on that. The site in, in Greece kind of sets the bar back further with the technology that this limestone wall could, could provide those who made it, thus showing, you know, some really advanced technique. But, but I get kind of upset when people talk about the pyramids being 5,000 years old or Stonehenge being 5,000 years old. We really don't know. What we do know is that there's conventional archaeologists, really well schooled individuals who have found archaeological sites either based upon the dating or the level on the ground, that go back 30,000, 70,000, 150, 500,000 years old. And these people lose their jobs. You're not allowed to talk about anything that's so substantially different than the conventional narrative.

[Clayton Morris]

And Graham Hancock got so slammed for it, he's gotten ridiculed for, you know, because I guess archaeologists are like, well, now you're basically upending my entire, all of my schooling and all of my work by telling me that there's something tens of thousands of years older than what I say.

[Andrew Goff]

Yeah, and poor Graham is not really going to great lengths with his theory. All he's saying is that human civilization existed before the end of the Last Ice Age, 10,500 BC. The age, age of the Sphinx has been dated to be twice as old as the conventional dating of the pyramids. So imagine what happens when you go much further than what Graham Hancock has done. You're absolutely targeted. I mean, there is famously a doctor in Peru who discovered a farmer who had found precious stones, slabs of stone with really valuable precious stones embedded in them that had pictures of humans and dinosaurs. And they're called the Inca stones. Everyone's like, well, that's ridiculous. But these stones are really, really valuable. So how could the farmer have faked this? Now, the problem with discoveries like that, which if true, would just completely reset human perspective as to how old civilization is, in this particular case, the poor farmer saw the wealthy doctor paying good money for these stones, so he forged some other ones and then the whole thing was thrown out with the bathwater, as it were. But I think in time, we'll find that things just keep getting older and older. And I'd like to think that there will be a discovery that kind of propels conventional archaeology to admit that civilization is much older than they've given it credit for.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I think if we keep finding high tech walls that are 17,000 years older than the pyramids, it could heat keep people warm by heating them. I mean, it's crazy to think about, I mean, you know, think about people. Right now, we don't even have heated walls. You know, for the most part, we've got insulation right but just kind of crazy. Andrew, I could talk about this all night as I, as I'm sure my audience knows, but I want to be respectful of your time there in the UK right now because it's late. So thank you for staying up with us and talking about it. We're going to keep an eye though on this story about Nunu, the MIT professor who, who was assassinated and following this story. So thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate it. Andrew, where can people watch your show and learn more?

[Andrew Goff]

Well, the pleasure's mine. I have a show called the Conspiracy Hour on Unify tv. They have a special offer now for a dollar a month you can watch my show and many others. So I hope you can check it out.

[Clayton Morris]

Awesome. Thank you. Andrew, great to see you. Thanks so much.

[Andrew Goff]

Thank you.

[Clayton Morris]

You bet. What do you guys think of that? Well, I mean, a couple, couple things to think about. I mean, I'm blown away about the time travel piece of that. I mean, fascinated about cern. I'd never heard that. And it's crazy that that was scrubbed off the Internet, but that's not surprising at all. Did you guys hear the. There was one individual out in, I think it was California, may have been Utah or Nevada, where he was doing etheric energy. He was doing speeches about it because he had discovered how to harness, well, at least his version of it anyway, similar to Tesla. And then I think he was, I think he was arrested, if I'm not mistaken, and he went to prison as a result. So they really do not want you to have free energy. I mean, they will go to great lengths to silence, kill, imprison, make people disappear if they come close to.

[David]

There was a stuff, I can't, I have to look it up. I can't remember the guy's name, but there was a guy that was, was working on making an efficient carburetor for a car and he found one that was like something like 98% efficient so he could go like 200 and some miles on a gallon of gas. And so he was like doing this research and then just one day these people showed up, roughed him up a bit, stole all of his stuff, stole all of his research, everything he had, just took it. And he was just so traumatized by it. He never, he never picked it back up, never went back at it, had no idea who they were. Basically just like black suit showed up and took it all.

[Clayton Morris]

That's crazy. So many stories.

[Chat Participant]

There's all kinds of stories like that out there. The guy that was Doing the. The. What is it? Basically, a drinkable oil out of plankton that you could grow in the desert in sun, and it would completely replace car oil and. And could, like, was way more efficient and just better for the environment and all. It just disappeared.

[Clayton Morris]

There's an individual, Dennis Merle, he was also 47, same age as Nunu, who was assassinated. He went to jail without a trial. How does that happen in the United States? Basically for fraud. Patriot Act. Yeah. For defrauding. For heat pumps that he had sold that. And it went all the way back to, like, 1975 that basically these heat pumps would be working with. They would extract free electricity from the air. And he had sold like 2,000 of these heat pumps. And there are people still to this day trying to get justice for this guy because he's been in jail since 1990. Oh, Simon, in the chat. Yeah. There's a guy that was on Tucker's recent Tucker show recently who talked about that diesel car that he built. Is that the same guy that you're talking about, David?

[Chat Participant]

No.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay. Different guy.

[Chat Participant]

I don't. Yeah, I think it's a different guy.

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There was a guy that. Did you ever hear about the guy that made the hydro car? The car that ran on, I can't remember how much water, but it wasn't even like a gallon of water. And he ran it from coast to coast.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, wow.

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[Clayton Morris]

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