Podcast Summary: Redacted News

Episode: “Something DEVASTATING is about to hit Ukraine, and NATO Puppet Zelensky is to blame”

Date: December 10, 2025 Hosts: Natali and Clayton Morris + Guests
(Notable segments featuring Scott Horton, Thomas Haviland & others)

Episode Overview

This Redacted News episode delivers the show’s signature skeptical take on Western government and mainstream media narratives, focusing primarily on the Ukraine war, U.S. and European influence, the figure of President Zelensky, and the broader themes of government overreach and propaganda. Key guests include Scott Horton (Antiwar.com) on Ukraine and Thomas Haviland discussing embalmers reporting post-COVID vaccine health phenomena. The episode also dives into DOJ expansions on tracking domestic extremism and Israel’s global propaganda efforts.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Fate of Ukraine, Zelensky, and Proxy War Politics

• Clayton sets the tone ([01:38-09:21]):
  • Describes Zelensky as a “Ukrainian puppet dictator.”
  • Claims that Ukraine's refusal—specifically Zelensky's— to make land concessions is “sealing the fate” of the country.
  • Reiterates accusations of corruption against Zelensky, referencing NYT articles and alleged scandals.

"You don’t hold any cards here, Zelensky, except the cards that NATO’s puppet-masters give you and your CIA handlers."
– Clayton Morris [07:18]

• Scott Horton on the War's Geopolitics ([09:49-16:33]):
  • Argues U.S. aid sustains Ukraine; Europe’s funding is being stretched.
  • Claims U.S. strategy has always been to prolong the war, using Ukrainians as “cannon fodder.”
  • Points out the domestic political pressures Zelensky faces from Ukrainian nationalists: compromising at the peace table is viewed as betrayal.
  • Emphasizes opportunities for peace lost in 2022.

“The plan is to just win someday, or at least lose by just total defeat. But if you compromise and if you lose at the peace table, you sign a deal, then that's the stab in the back, that's betraying all the heroes who’ve died in the war so far.”
– Scott Horton [15:23]

Timestamps for Key Ukraine/NATO Points

• [09:49] Scott Horton joins discussion.
• [12:32] Discussion on U.S. funding, “killing Russians on the cheap.”
• [16:33] Natalie notes peace negotiations in Istanbul could have prevented further losses.

2. The Reality on the Ground – Maps, Frontlines & Attrition

• Military stalemate:
  • Natalie describes Russian and Ukrainian lines using live maps, noting most Ukrainian forces are not on the front ([27:14-30:21]).
  • Scott argues casualty rates, though high, aren’t at WWI levels and are tragically “sustainable” for both sides.

“The Russians keep winning slowly and the Ukrainians keep losing slowly. If we had the same conversation in one year, I wouldn’t be shocked.”
– Scott Horton [29:02]

3. U.S. Domestic Policy: "Domestic Terrorism" Definitions Expanding

• Natalie on DOJ memo:
  • Raises alarm about new Department of Justice definitions of “domestic terrorism,” which now include:
    • Protected beliefs (anti-capitalist, anti-Christianity, support for government overthrow, etc.) ([33:01-37:36]).
    • The risk of political dissent being classified as terrorism.

“If you can define government dissent as terrorism, the government has the power. This is an elastic political term, not a fixed category.”
– Natalie [33:01]

• Explores the contradiction that the Founders’ Declaration of Independence would itself be labeled "domestic terrorism" under these definitions.

“Literally, the Declaration of Independence allows us…to talk about overthrowing the government. Now, the Department of Justice says that makes you a terrorist.”
– Natalie [39:42]

Timestamps for Domestic Terrorism Discussion

• [33:01] Segment begins
• [39:41] Declaration of Independence argument
• [41:12] Historical context with Founding Fathers labeled as “extremists”

4. Surveillance State and Government Overreach

• Technology and Surveillance:
  • Discussion of U.S. tech partnership with Google, AI surveillance, data mining of social media, and Palantir’s use in Gaza—raising fears it will be used domestically.
  • References to historical Supreme Court rulings on protected speech and skepticism about actual checks on the surveillance state.

“The surveillance state is multiplying out of bounds. Now who's to stop it?”
– Natalie [43:04]

5. Israel’s Global Propaganda Campaign

• Massive PR Expansion:
  • Israeli PR efforts quintupling, aiming to repair reputation globally ([47:46-47:54]).
  • Newsmax running “daily Israel update” segments—hosts cast doubt on who really initiates these media decisions.
  • Hosts mock “puff pieces” on Israeli tech breakthroughs, arguing they’re intended as distraction from “genocide in Gaza.”

“So when you’re like, God, I wish Israel would stop bombing Christian churches in Gaza… but then you see this, like, ‘hey, they invented the drip system’… Then you’re like, well, then I forgive them.”
– Natalie [52:24]

• Manipulation of Christian Influencers:

  • Reported summit training 1,000 American pastors as “ambassadors for Israel.”
  • Social engineering to equate opposition to Israel with support of terrorism.

• Weaponization of Islamophobia:

  • Strategy document suggests leaning into fears of “radical Islam” to distract from Israel’s actions ([59:47+]).
  • Hosts warn viewers of false flags and ramped-up “boogeyman” propaganda.

Timestamps for Israel Propaganda Discussion

• [46:47] Israel’s PR budget expansion
• [51:06] Newsmax “Israel update” segment
• [56:28] Training Christian pastors
• [59:47] Publicity report on Islamophobia strategy

6. COVID Vaccines: Embalmers and Controversial Evidence

• Clayton and Thomas Haviland Interview ([69:50–93:38]):
  • New embalmers continue to come forward about seeing “white fibrous clots” during embalming—claims of being censored or ostracized for raising the issue.
  • Statistical survey efforts show the phenomenon hasn’t diminished, potentially linked to COVID mRNA vaccines.
  • Discussion of flawed or misleading scientific studies downplaying vaccine side effects.
  • Concerns about “shedding” (appearing mRNA in non-vaccinated partners via sperm).

“Here’s the thing that kind of shocks me, Clayton. It’s wonderful these two gentlemen have come forward here in May of 2025 to talk about this. But where were they four years ago…?”
– Thomas Haviland [88:27]

• Practical takeaways:
  • Mention of nattokinase as a potential remedy for “microclots.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Western leaders' sincerity:

  “There really is a syndrome of these people believe in their own BS…”
  – Scott Horton [17:40]

• On the U.S. position vis-à-vis Ukraine:

  “Time is clearly on their side, as Trump and you just acknowledged. That’s the simple situation there.”
  – Scott Horton [26:14]

• Propaganda Irony:

  “I believe in Santa more than the government. So… If you don’t believe in the government, you’re a domestic terrorist, I guess.”
  – Natalie [32:47]

• On surveillance and government overreach:

  “If you have a constitution…they think you might be making bombs.”
  – Chat Room Participant [38:17]

• On American founding figures under current law:

  “All of the Founding Fathers would be domestic terrorists.”
  – Chat Room Participant [41:07]

Section Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp (MM:SS) | | --- | --- | | Introduction, Ukraine overview | 01:21–09:21 | | Zelensky’s position/Western moves | 07:18–09:49 | | Scott Horton on peace plans, U.S. strategy | 09:49–17:40 | | Failure of peace, internal Ukrainian politics | 16:33–20:07 | | European fears, Putin response | 20:07–21:15 | | The reality of stalemate | 27:14–30:21 | | DOJ memo on domestic terrorism | 33:01–41:12 | | Surveillance, tech partnerships | 43:04–46:54 | | Israel’s propaganda campaign | 46:47–55:15 | | Weaponizing Islamophobia | 59:47–63:32 | | Embalmers/“white fibrous clots” (with Thomas Haviland) | 69:50–93:38 |

Takeaways for Unfamiliar Listeners

• The show’s tone is highly skeptical of U.S. and European policy, especially regarding Ukraine, government enforcement, and mainstream narratives.
• Criticizes both Democratic and Republican administrations for perpetuating war, expanding state surveillance, and trading democracy for strategic interests.
• Mainstream reporting (NYT, Politico, etc.) is framed as catching up to Redacted’s own prior claims.
• Engages deeply in the “dissent as terrorism” debate, linking modern definitions of extremism to possible targeting of constitutional thought and speech.

Closing Notes

The episode intertwines foreign policy developments with warnings about domestic overreach, surveillance, and the manipulation of public opinion via media and curated social campaigns. Long segments are attributed directly, with a conversational, sometimes sardonic style and a strong anti-establishment bent.

Listeners are encouraged to question, seek independent verification, and remain alert to state and corporate messaging—and especially to avoid being swept into “boogeyman” narratives, whether about foreign adversaries or dissenting neighbors at home.