The Hidden Bones of Giants and Nephilim: What is the Smithsonian Hiding In Its Vaults? | Redacted

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Hidden Bones of Giants and Nephilim: What is the Smithsonian Hiding In Its Vaults?"

Podcast: Redacted News
Hosts: Clayton & Natali Morris
Guest: Timothy Albarino
Date: August 24, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Clayton Morris sits down with researcher and adventurer Timothy Albarino to explore the controversial and mysterious topic of alleged giant (Nephilim) skeletons, their connections to biblical legends, and historical cover-ups—especially by institutions like the Smithsonian. They discuss artifacts, first-hand accounts, and why certain institutions might want this information suppressed, traversing ground from Afghanistan and Sardinia to the United States.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Context: Calls for Smithsonian Audit & Historical Controversy

[01:00–02:40]

• The conversation opens in the context of President Trump’s recent call for a full-scale audit of the Smithsonian, primarily framed in public discourse as targeting "woke" politics in museum exhibits.
• Timothy Albarino sees this as a rare opportunity: "I think there's an opportunity for some of the congressmen, some of the senators, to perhaps piggyback onto this review and make some inquiries into...the bones of giants that the Smithsonian Institution has, according to their own documents, recovered." [03:10]

2. Evidence for Giants: Smithsonian Archives & Anomalous Finds

[03:49–05:46]

• Albarino claims Smithsonian records explicitly reference the recovery of "giant" skeletons, including a jawbone so large “it could fit around your entire head.”
• The question of whether these remains are human or something else (“human hybrids”) is touched on, and the purported stature of such beings is repeated: "8 to 12 feet is generally speaking, the range. When I say giants, that's what I'm talking about." [05:38]

3. The Kandahar Giant Incident

[06:02–15:16]

• One of the episode’s most vivid segments retells the legend of the Kandahar Giant in Afghanistan:
  • An alleged encounter in 2005, reported by a C-130 pilot (vetted by Albarino and Steve Quayle while making their documentary), describes airlifting a massive, 10–12ft, red-haired, six-fingered giant killed by US troops after the creature allegedly killed a platoon.
  • "This giant has red hair, his skin is pale, he has six fingers on his hands, he has six toes on his feet..." [10:45]
  • The account tracks the remains as ultimately transported to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, possibly into the infamous "Blue Room" reputed to house government secrets about anomalous artifacts.

4. The Taboo & the Occult

[17:25–19:04]

• Albarino reveals that high-level insiders “clam up” when he inquires about giants—even compared to UFO or alien matters.
• He shares his perspective: "I think that this topic of giants is intimately interconnected with the occult...a very dark...Satanic Luciferian group...are the fulcrum upon which this cover up pivots." [18:29]

5. Origin of Giants, Nephilim & Ancient Rites

[19:11–23:29]

• The biblical and apocryphal Book of Enoch roots of the Nephilim (giant offspring of fallen angels and human women) are discussed.
• Albarino discusses evidence for giants not just in the U.S., but globally, with a focus on Sardinia where—he claims—first-hand witnesses unearthed giant skeletons up to 12ft, with full skeletons displaying jewelry and regalia.

6. Sardinia: Living Memory and the Tombs of the Giants

[23:29–31:48]

• Multiple first-hand Italian accounts: municipal officials and farm workers in Sardinia recount excavating or finding massive human skeletons and their ritual artifacts.
• Secret removal: "Somebody was actively sequestering away the evidence of 9 to 12 foot tall people in Sardinia." [24:40]
• The ancient “Tombs of the Giants” are described, megalithic burial sites shaped not as bull’s heads, as initially believed, but as wombs—pointing to their function in rites of passage and the occult idea of communicating with powerful spirits buried below.
• “These are Canaanitish people...we're talking about the Nephilim. And the Nephilim being associated with a rite of incubation. In other words, there was a belief...you can commune with dead giants...if you have their remains.” [31:39]

7. Where Do the Bones Go? Vatican Connections

[36:22–36:53]

• Albarino suggests “at least some” of Sardinia’s giant remains were removed to the Vatican, based on testimony from local sources.

8. The United States: Mound Builders, Smithsonian Cover-Up, and Ubiquitous Accounts

[37:22–45:26]

• Abraham Lincoln is quoted referencing “the bones of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America” [37:39], indicating 19th-century public awareness.
• Extensive 19th–early 20th-century newspaper reporting of giants’ bones found across mound sites in the U.S.—particularly Midwest states like Ohio—is described as dismissed or covered up by later institutional isolationism and Darwinism at the Smithsonian.
• “They were systematically exhumed. All of the artifacts and remains were systematically exhumed by the Smithsonian...Most of the mounds have been emptied and then leveled.” [40:26]
• Native American legends are referenced: “All of [the tribes]... talk about a tribe of red haired giants. Six fingered red haired giants.” [49:21]

9. The Motivation: Why the Suppression?

[51:06–55:54]

• Early Smithsonian officials, specifically Colonel Powell, were ardent proponents of Darwinian evolution and ‘isolationism’ (civilizations developed in isolation, not cross-contaminated by outside influences).
• “Powell himself... in a letter to a colleague... ‘We cannot yet discuss the bodies of these alleged giants until we can determine where they came from.’” [52:34]
• The presence of non-native giants—possibly arriving with seafaring Phoenicians—threatened this framework and thus justified suppression of the finds.
• “It upends both...could not necessarily upend natural selection, but definitely upends isolationism. Because one thing that they determined early on was that the giants were not native to America. They came from over the ocean, they came from over the sea.” [53:33]

10. Open Questions & Possible Reopening

[56:12–57:03]

• Albarino is not optimistic about the Smithsonian’s voluntary transparency: "The only way that I'm hopeful is that...some of the congressmen behind the scenes...can piggyback this inquiry... and use their own records." [56:12]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Smithsonian Cover-up:
  "They have artifacts related to giants… a jawbone, a human jawbone that was so large it could fit around your entire head… This is on record."
  —Timothy Albarino, [03:53]

• On the Kandahar Giant Incident:
  "This giant has red hair, his skin is pale, he has six fingers on his hands, he has six toes on his feet..."
  —Timothy Albarino, [10:45]

• On Occultism and Suppression:
  "This centuries-old cover up... is a very dark...Satanic Luciferian group...are the fulcrum upon which this cover up pivots."
  —Timothy Albarino, [18:29]

• On Sardinia’s Tombs:
  “They’re shaped like a womb...The tombs of the giants are shaped like a womb....the idea here is...you incubate, you commune with the mighty one, the giant buried beneath....and then you go in a boy, you come out of man.”
  —Timothy Albarino, [28:26]

• On Evidence in the U.S.:
  "Abraham Lincoln, while waxing poetic about Niagara Falls and some lecture notes, he writes ...the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon Niagara as ours do now."
  —Timothy Albarino, [37:39]

• On the Press & Cover-Up:
  “All it takes is one. Even if some of that 10% is throw it out, still just takes one.”
  —Clayton, [39:48]

• On the Motivation to Suppress:
  "Powell himself... in a letter to a colleague...‘We cannot yet discuss the bodies of these alleged giants until we can determine where they came from.’"
  —Timothy Albarino, [52:34]

• On Congressional Inquiries:
  "There's a real opportunity here for somebody in Congress to piggyback onto this review of the Smithsonian..."
  —Timothy Albarino, [56:43]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:00 — Introduction to the topic & guest, referencing Smithsonian audit
• 03:10 — Smithsonian-owned documents on giant skeletons
• 06:02–15:16 — Kandahar Giant detailed narrative
• 18:29 — Occult connection with giants
• 23:29–31:48 — Sardinia eyewitnesses, tombs, and the rite of incubation
• 36:22–36:53 — Vatican’s alleged involvement in collecting remains
• 37:39 — Abraham Lincoln’s mention of giants in American mounds
• 40:26–41:46 — Smithsonian’s systematic exhumation and suppression
• 49:21 — Native American legends of red-haired giants
• 51:06–55:54 — Powell, isolationism, and the suppression rationale
• 56:12–57:03 — Potential for congressional investigation via Smithsonian review

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Conclusion

This episode offered a whirlwind exploration of the lore, alleged physical evidence, cover-up stories, and cultural implications surrounding giants and Nephilim, weaving together historical records, cryptic government activity, and ancient legends. Timothy Albarino anchors his narrative with both archival and anecdotal testimonies, pushing listeners to question accepted narratives and consider what institutions may be motivated to conceal. Whether or not listeners are convinced, the episode provides a comprehensive tour of a controversial topic at the fringes of history and archaeology.

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Transcript

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[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Well, is there proof of the existence of giants or Nephilim as referenced in the book of Genesis in the Bible? And more importantly, are they being hidden by our government in places like the Smithsonian Institute? Perhaps like in plain view places that are visited by millions of people every year? Are they underground? What is the government hiding from us with this story? President Trump just called for a full scale audit of the Smithsonian. So what will we learn from that audit? If anything, does it relate to Japan? Giant humanoids? Timothy Albarino is really a modern day Indiana Jones who's traveled the world exploring and researching these mysteries. He's written a number of books on countless subjects in the esoteric realm. I would say. In fact, when I introduced Timothy to my son, I said he's like a modern day Indiana Jones. And I've been waiting to talk about this with Timothy in our studio for a long time. Timothy, great to have you here in our studio. Nice to actually meet you face to face. So we're going to talk about giants today. I know for a lot of people this might seem like, come on. This is Clayton. I know you talk about aliens, I know you talk about other things, but this seems like incredibly far fetched. But it's not. And you've been researching, you spent how many years have you spent researching this subject, giant specifically?

[Timothy Albarino]

Probably 15 years.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

15 years and you've traveled the world researching?

[Interviewer Assistant]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

That's incredible. So when you hear about a story like that was President Trump is moving to audit the Smithsonian, what immediately do you think of? Because for a lot of people are thinking, oh maybe there's exhibits they want to look at. I know CNN is upset with the amount of slavery discussions that might be cut back at the Smithsonian, other things, but my mind goes to the supernatural. Where does yours go?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I think that the intention of the Trump administration is to weed out some of the woke nonsense at the Smithsonian Institution. That would be my first inclination. In fact, I believe that the President has made remarks to that effect. So we're talking about museums, some of the museum exhibits, some of the information that isn't exactly, exactly accurate, that has a political bent to the left. I think that that is what the administration is targeting. I don't think that anybody in the administration has giants on their mind when they're doing this review of the Smithsonian, of the content, the material that the Smithsonian has been putting out. So however, there is a unique opportunity right now. I think there's an opportunity for some of the congressmen, some of the senators, to perhaps piggyback onto this review and make some inquiries into some of the artifacts, some of the out of place artifacts, including the bones of giants that the Smithsonian Institution has, according to their own documents, recovered.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Hold on a second. According to the Smithsonian's own documents, they have bones of giants.

[Timothy Albarino]

They do. They have, let's put it this way, they have artifacts related to giants. And I'm not reading into the documents, reading giants into them. This is what the documents say. Gigantic skeletons were found. Again, we can set aside the newspaper articles that were being published at the time and let's just focus on the Smithsonian's own archives. They have, in one instance they recovered a jawbone, a human jawbone that was so large it could fit around your entire head, just the jawbone. This is on record. And they have these artifacts, they have full skeletons.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

How old, did we know the age of the particular jawbones, the human skeletons?

[Timothy Albarino]

I don't think there was any information related to the age. It was just a registry that these are the things that were recovered in this year, some of the anomalies. And nobody knows where those things went. But this is the Smithsonian's own personnel writing a report declaring some of the things that they found and among the mundane artifacts that were uncovered in the mounds. This had to do with the excavation of the mounds. They found artifacts and human remains related to giants or remains, maybe we don't call them human remains, but humanoid remains that were gigantic in stature.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

I guess that's what I was going to ask. Are they human, Are they humanoid, Are they related to humans? I mean, in what, what capacity?

[Timothy Albarino]

I don't, I mean, I Don't know. We'd have to do a DNA test. But my suspicion is that they are human hybrid, that they're not entirely human. And we're talking about, you know, when we talk about giants, we're not talking about just NBA players, we're not talking about 7 foot tall maximum. We're talking about 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right?

[Timothy Albarino]

That's the range. 8 to 12 is generally speaking, the range. When I say giants, that's what I'm talking about.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

I mean, I guess when I hear this and I hear the old skeletons, so this is maybe in my brain I'm thinking thousands of years, thousands of years old. But are they living among us now? Is there any evidence that they still exist somewhere and we don't know about it?

[Timothy Albarino]

I mean, there's anecdotal evidence. I'm sure you've heard of the famous Kandahar Giant incident.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Can you talk about that?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I'm partly responsible for this story, but mainly I was partnered with Steve Quayle for a long time and we created a company called Gen6 Productions some years ago. And Steve was in contact with a gentleman who was an active duty AC30 pilot, rather C130 pilot. Active duty C130 pilot. I almost said AC130. No, it's a C130 pilot cargo. And he told Steve this incredible story regarding this giant that he transported from Bagram Air Force and from Bagram Airfield, rather. Then Steve and I brought him in to interview him in our studio for a film that we were making called Holocaust of Giants. And so Steve and I sat down with this individual, we vetted him, we asked him all kind of questions. He showed us his credentials. He was active duty C130 pilot, and he related the story for us on camera and we put it in the film. And to summarize the story, this happened back in 2005. He would, he was always flying missions into Bagram Air Force Base. They would call him in to pick up, to pick up sensitive cargo, which oftentimes would be Taliban insurgents, high value cargo. And he thought this was just a routine mission. He flies into Bagram and he has of course, his flight crew, his crew master, his load master with him. But this time it was different because when they landed on the tarmac, he was met on the tarmac by a couple of individuals who he believes were either army intelligence or Air Force intelligence. And they immediately told him no pictures. This never happened. This was unique. He wasn't usually met on the tarmac by intelligence officers. In this case, he's met by intelligence officers. And so he knew right away whatever he's picking up today is something really, really high value. So they escort him over to the hangar. And as he's approaching the hangar, he sees a large pallet, one of those air cargo pallets. It was nine foot long, those air cargo pallets. And there's a tarp covering something. And as he gets closer, he realizes that what this tarp is covering is a body, a humanoid body. And the first thing that he said when we interviewed him was the first thing that hit him was the odor. It was like, it was a very pungent, powerful odor, that it was like very, very powerful BO mixed with death or something like that. It was very, very pungent. And as he approached the cargo, he realized it was humanoid and that this individual was humongous. He was in the fetal position, partially covered by the tarp. His head was sticking out, his hands were sticking out and his feet were sticking out. Mind you, no, nine foot long, that's how long these cargo, these air cargo pallets are. So immediately the pilot estimated his size. He had to be at least 10ft tall, right? 10 to 12ft tall. He's in the fetal position and he's sticking off of a nine foot long pallet. So when he gets up to him, he's able to take a closer look. This giant has red hair, his skin is pale, he has six fingers on his hands, he has six toes on his feet, which again are hanging out of the tarp. His feet are wrapped with like a crude canvas wrapping. And there were some guys, some, some soldiers standing around the body. And when he inquired about it, he was told that the word is that this giant was dead. Had been dead for one to two days, for a couple of days. And that had killed a platoon, a whole platoon, a whole platoon of soldiers. Because they killed this giant somewhere out in the, in the mountains of Afghanistan. And there it was close to a village, there's this cave close to a village. And the, and the villagers were, were venerating something inside of the cave. They were bringing food and some other artifacts to the mouth of the cave. And so the, the platoon, they thought that the marines, whoever they were, they thought that, well, this village is aiding and abetting the Taliban. So they went in, right? And when they went in, instead of finding the Taliban, they were confronted with this giant, this, let's say 10 foot tall, red haired giant, who, according to what the pilot was told, the giant killed them all. And so a second platoon was Sent in to try and find these guys. And when they went into the cave again, this comes from what the pilot was told when he was standing there looking at this body. Bagram Airfield. He was told that when the second platoon went in, the giant was eating on some of the dead bodies from the first platoon. Second platoon took him down. A helicopter was called in and they airlifted the body over to Bagram. And then they called in our pilot to come pick up the high valued cargo. And so then he. They loaded first. They weighed, they weighed the cargo. And you know, the load master has to weigh whatever's going on to the C130 and the pallet and body, rather the, the, the, the body weighed 1100 pounds. So the, so the pallet, you know, plus the cargo on top, they deduced that, that this guy was 1100 pounds.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And here I am worried about losing 15 pounds.

[Timothy Albarino]

1100, 1100 pounds. And probably mostly muscle mass. And I remember the pilot told me he kind of, you know, put his fist, punched his fist onto the body and he said it was like a solid rock, it was like brick.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And he saw his face.

[Timothy Albarino]

The face was covered, but the hair was sticking out. And the hair was red. Red hair, six fingers, six toes, pale skin. So this is where the famous Kandahar giant story comes from. First from Steve Quayle, but then from Steve and I, our documentary and the interview we conducted with the pilot. But it's since taken on sort of a life of its own. Now that happened in 2005. We released the documentary. Probably, I want to say it was around 2015, 2016, in that range, probably 2015. And I have since confirmed this story with at least two high level individuals from the Air Force. And it's not, it's not just about the giant in Afghanistan, actually, I should say one army source, one high level Air Force source. It's not just the giant of Kandahar. The giants of Kandahar. This is the one, this is the one they killed. But they know there's more out there. So we're not just talking about one giant. This is not a one off. Obviously you can't have just one being. You have to have, he has to come from somewhere, right? So there has to be a clan of these things they're reproducing unless they're created in a lab. And I don't think that's the case in Kandahar. I think that this is a very remote area, that there were giants in ancient times inhabiting that area, that they went underground. They live Mostly underground. And there are still some individuals alive. And again, just to summarize, 10 to 12ft tall, 1100 pounds, six fingers, six toes, red hair. That's precisely the kinds of remains that were being discovered in the United States back at the turn of the century, late 1800s, early 1900s.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

You're blowing my mind. I want to get to that part. The United States in a moment here, but maybe you can talk about. So six fingers, six toes, 10 to 11ft, 10 to 12ft tall. Is this a common characteristic in this region? Do the Afghani people talk about this? Is this part of, like, local legend where it's kind of common?

[Timothy Albarino]

I actually was in a cab. I had a very interesting conversation with an Uber driver. He was Afghani in Los Angeles last year in the fall. And I was, we were talking to him about some. Some other very interesting things related to some. Some other topics. But, but he, we were also asking him about the legends of giants in Afghanistan. He affirmed there are legends of giants in Afghanistan, but there are all over the. What is the Middle east today? There are legends of giants, frankly, everywhere, Every continent, there's legends of giants. It's just that this happens to be the place where they're probably still alive.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And it would make sense. I mean, I'm not to defend the giants, but the idea that they're mountains. We know how difficult it was for the Soviets to try to fight in Afghanistan into the mountains. We know how difficult it was for the United States to fight in Afghanistan for 20 years into those mountains. Incredible Hiding places in caves. I mean, what, what sort of characteristics might, might they be hiding in? I mean, places?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, there could be an extensive cave system, maybe an extensive underground cave system. In fact, we know there are because the Taliban use them.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

So, and this is. There's a very specific area where, where these things are found. And, and, and, and one of the guys I've talked to has pointed that area out for me, and it's, it's, it's way out in the middle of nowhere, like you. You. And it's hostile territory out there. And by the way, the pilot flew the body to Qatar.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

I was gonna ask you, where did the body go?

[Timothy Albarino]

And he heard through the grapevine that it ended up at Wright Patterson.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Okay, so Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. Famous. I used to live in Dayton, Ohio. And it's sort of common knowledge among the people that live there of UFO crash retrievals. Maybe even the Roswell part of the Roswell crash.

[Timothy Albarino]

The Blue Room.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Yes.

[Timothy Albarino]

Have you ever Heard of the Blue Room?

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Yes. Is it Hangar 9? Hangar 9 or Hangar 7? I always get the.

[Timothy Albarino]

I don't remember which hangar it is. But they, but they alleged they have a blue room, the so called blue room, where they have a lot of artifacts from crash retrievals, alien related artifacts. And it's alleged that they used to bring scientists in there to study the artifacts and so forth. But that's called the Blue room.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

So it would make a lot of sense that it would be at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Have there been any other incidents like this with the Air Force where you've had it now confirmed by multiple sources?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yes, there have been. I can't tell those stories. I just have to be very careful. Yes. Let's just say, yes, there have been more remarkable stories than the one I just told.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And maybe you can. In the United States?

[Timothy Albarino]

No, in Afghanistan.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

In Afghanistan.

[Timothy Albarino]

Not in the United States. I have discovered. So I'm a ufologist as well, and I'm always studying the UFO topic and talking to people who are in the know, people who tell me things that are highly classified, right. And I always ask them about the giants because usually the guys that know that are, that are read into the programs about the UFO stuff also have heard about the giants or have direct knowledge of them. And these guys will freely talk to me about UFOs. They'll talk to me about crash retrievals, they'll talk to me about alien bodies. But as, as soon as I bring up giants, they clam up.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Isn't that funny like that? It used to be you couldn't talk about UFOs. You know, I would have, I would have members in the military, generals, United States senators, governors. Off camera when I worked at Fox News. Tell me, like, I wouldn't want to say this on camera, Clayton, but the stuff that I've seen, the stuff that I've heard would shock you. You know, they'll tell me, but they don't want to talk about UFOs on camera. So this was like 15 years ago. So now that topic has maybe become like less taboo, the UFO topic. But giants is still somehow off.

[Timothy Albarino]

I think it's, I think it's worse than that because there's something about the topic of giants. Again, I'll be talking to somebody that's, that's read into some programs on UFOs. I bring up giants, their face goes pale. And one guy went like this.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Why?

[Timothy Albarino]

Because. How do you think that is? Here's, here's my working theory. I think that this topic of giants is intimately interconnected with the occult.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

In a dark way.

[Timothy Albarino]

I think that the topic of giants gets very dark. I think that behind the confiscation of the bodies of giants, this centuries old cover up, century old, let's say, Matt. Century, century old cover up is a very dark. There's no other way to say it. Satanic Luciferian group. And they're behind this primarily, fundamentally, they're the fulcrum upon which this cover up pivots.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

The COVID up? Yeah, not the, like the. I was, my mind was thinking the procreation or the.

[Timothy Albarino]

No, the COVID up and the confiscation of the bodies and the artifacts related to the giants.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

So is this related then to. I mean, I guess it's an appropriate point to ask you about, you know, what is the Nephilim and from the book of Genesis and is it related to this occult piece of everything?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I think it is, yes, directly related. So the Nephilim are this hybrid race of giants that were pro generated According to Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch, of course, through intercourse between what the Bible describes as the sons of God, who the Book of Enoch calls the watchers, and human women. So you have the watchers, these sons of God, clearly not human beings, you know, angels who are procreating with human women, copulating with human women and pro generating a race of hybrid giants. That's where the giants come from in the Bible. That's the origin of giants. And the only origin of giants is that affair, the procreation of angelic and human women, angelic beings with human women. Now, I've studied giants in different parts of the world. And if you want to go outside of Afghanistan. I haven't gone to Afghanistan for obvious reasons. Outside of Afghanistan, I think that the best place to study giants today is not the United States. It's not even Central South America where I've spent a lot of time. It's the island of Sardinia. I have, I have never felt so close to, let's say the, the lore of giants as I have on the island of Sardinia. Because in other places of the world you're looking at ancient records for the most part. In the United States we're looking at, you know, newspaper articles and again, the Smithsonian's, the Smithsonian's own archives going back to the early 20th century, late 19th century. But in, in Sardinia you can probably still, although I was there 10 years ago, you can probably still talk to people, interview people. It's the elderly people on the island who dug up the bones of giants with their own hands and have seen them in the tombs and have taken the rings off of their gigantic fingers and the necklaces off of their necks, have exhumed the bodies in an official capacity. And again, we're talking eight to 12 foot tall giants. And I interviewed a handful of people, probably 8 to 10 people in Sardinia who had firsthand contact with the bodies of giants, with the remains of giants. So they didn't hear it from a friend or whatever, no firsthand contact. And we're talking about, again, we're not talking about giant sloths, we're not talking about dinosaurs, we're not talking about a random femur, right, that's just interpreted as a humanoid. We're talking about, in some cases, full skeletons wearing clothing and jewelry. Okay, so, and I've seen these images.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

We'll show some of them here. They're remarkable. I mean, full wardrobes, full like gowns almost.

[Timothy Albarino]

In one case, one of the giants was dressed in a black gown. And the reason why I bring up Sardinia, and of course, these are skeletal remains and corpses. And I say corpses because some of them still had flesh on them. One of them was hermetically sealed in a megalithic tower. He was in a seated position. This particular case happened at the church of Sant Anastasia in Sardara, the province of Sardara in Sardinia. And I interviewed two individuals who were excavating in the late 70s, early 80s, and they were both excavating at different times. And they both were exhuming the bodies of giants in an official capacity. They were both employed by the municipality, which was working with the University of Cagati, the capital city of Sardinia. And both of these individuals unearthed the bodies of giants, in some cases, full skeletons 9 to 12ft tall, and other incredible artifacts related to giants.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And this is on the record within official capacity.

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, these guys were employed by the municipality. Now, if you went and talked to the municipality of Sadara today or the university of Kaja, they'll deny it, of course.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

But they even gave me the name of the professor who was the head of the project. And these guys would, in this particular case, this is just one of many again, excavating the neurogic ruins. The Nuragic civilization was a very, very ancient, mysterious civilization, excavating these ruins that were located on the premises, in fact, right under and in the vicinity of the church of Sant Anastasia. And it's a small, It's a chapel, it's a Catholic chapel. And they would exhume the bodies. They would. And they were collecting all kinds of artifacts from the ruins, this was their job. And everything that they collected, all of the artifacts went into the church and they would lay out all the artifacts on the table. They were collecting so many artifacts that they were filling the church up. And in fact, in one case, one of the guys, he went to the mayor of the city and he said, hey, we're filling the church up with artifacts. We need more space. We should think about somewhere else to put these artifacts. And the mayor looked at him and said, mind your own effing business. And he said he didn't understand why the hostility. They were told to fill the church up and in some cases, to lay the bodies out in the yard next to the church. And every night somebody would come and take all the artifacts. They would come back in the morning to resume the excavations, and everything would be gone. So somebody was actively sequestering away the evidence of 9 to 12 foot tall people in Sardinia. And we're talking about the late 70s, early 80s, so it's still fresh. And again, I interviewed probably about a dozen people in Sardinia who had firsthand contact with the bones. Some guys would be plowing their fields. And this was back before there was tractors. I interviewed one gentleman who told me a crazy story. He was 100, I think he was either 100 or 101 years old, this individual. And he said that when he was a young man, before they had tractors, they were using plows and spades to. To till the soil for this vineyard that they were going to plant. He was employed by this guy that was going to plant a vineyard. And he said as him and a group of guys are tilling the soil, they started to turn up bones. And not just a couple, not just a few, 20 skeletal remains. And they were laid on top of each other, two by two, in crisscross pattern like this, 20 of them, and they were gigantic. They were minimum nine feet tall.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And this is still in Sardinia.

[Timothy Albarino]

This was in Sardinia. And the owner of the field, when he saw that there are human remains, humanoid remains in his field, he said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I got to report this. And then he said, the, the, there's officials from the capitol are coming. You guys need to get out of here. They said to vacate the area, they're going to come and take care of this. But this, this gentleman that I was interviewing, again, 100 years old at this point. He said he really needed the money, though, and he didn't want to. He needed a full day's wage, not a half day's wage. So he decided to Just stay in work and try and work out the rest of the day so he could collect a full day' wage. And he saw the government officials pull up in their vans, and he hid and he watched them. And they showed up on the scene. They took pictures of all the bodies, and then they started the skeletal remains, and then they started to load them into the back of the trucks, and then they went into the. I should have said there was a nearby, what's called a nuraghi tower. It's a megalithic, a stone tower. Very, very ancient. There used to be over 30,000 thousand of them on the island. And they're built in a cyclopean style, which means that they don't incorporate mortar. And they went into the Nuragi tower, and they were taking pictures of the walls, and they sealed up like an entrance, like an underground passageway in the tower. And this individual, this gentleman, this old guy that I was interviewing was hiding, watching them do this. I mean, story after story after people who are digging their foundations for their basements and uncover a gigantic skeletal hand, huge, clearly human again. And. And they would always get excited when. Because everybody in Sardinia at the time knew that the bodies of giants were being discovered. They would get excited because oftentimes they would find gold, silver rings on the fingers and necklaces made of precious jewels and. And metals. And. And so they would. The first thing they would do is look at the fingers. Okay. Last time I checked, dinosaurs don't wear jewelry. And one other thing in regard to Sardinia, you can go to Sardinia today, and you can still see the remains of what are called the tombs of the giants. That's what they're called. And there's hundreds of them all over the island. There used to be thousands, and they're associated with the towers. So there was a megalithic, and they're megalithic. Okay. There was a megalith building civilization inhabiting the island of Sardinia. And the tombs of the giants, there's two different kinds. One of them has a trilithon doorway, but it's a small doorway. Like, if you or I entered it, we'd have to squat down to go inside. And the other one has a stele, like a stone face with a. Like a little doggy door at the bottom. Okay. So both of the tombs have small doorways, and they're both shaped initially. When I did my research, I've been to Sardinia a few times, I thought that they were shaped in the form of a bull's head, because if you think of, like, the Chicago bulls emblem, right you have the bull's head. Think of that. That's how they're shaped. But then I realized later on, and that's what I said in my documentary, I'm wrong, they're not shaped like a bull's head, they're shaped like a womb. The tombs of the giants are shaped like a womb. I'm going to tie this into the occult thing. I said, so the neurogic people, these ancient people, these, it turns out, these canaanidish people. So they're descendants of the Canaanites. You know, we're talking like the Canaanites who, the tribes of giants in the, in the promised land, right, that the Israelites, that Joshua and the Israelites were contending with, they used these tombs, which again today still called the tombs of the giants, for something called the rite of incubation. And this was a rite of passage that when young people would, would come of age, probably 13 years old, somewhere in there, they would go into the tomb and they would be sealed in the tomb for I think, a few days by themselves. And the whole purpose of it was to incubate, to commune with the mighty one who was buried beneath the tomb, not in the tomb beneath, because the tomb was built in the shape of a womb. And the idea here is that you go in, write a passage, you're 13 years old, you go into, you incubate, you commune with the mighty one, the giant buried beneath. And then you go in a boy, you come out of man, right? You're being born again, you're coming out of the womb. And it's shaped like a uterus and the fallopian tubes and the ovary, that's what it's shaped like, the tombs of the giants.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

And it's believed that underneath there of course are the giants buried.

[Timothy Albarino]

Giants are buried beneath the tombs. So if you go online and you type in tombs of the giants, you're going to get all kinds of armchair archaeologists who make two false statements. Number one, they say that the tombs aren't large enough. That the galleries inside of the tombs aren't large enough to house the body of a giant. False. They're plenty big to house the body of a giant. I measured them. Number two, they say that. Well, actually the first claim is that the bodies of the giants were actually in the tombs. That's the first thing. The second claim is that they're too small anyway to house the bodies of the giants. Both of those claims are false. The tombs are plenty big. You can get a 10 foot tall giant inside of the gallery. But that's not the point. The point is that they were buried beneath the tombs, not within them.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Yeah. So the gallery doesn't matter.

[Timothy Albarino]

The gallery doesn't matter. The gallery is for the rite of incubation. It's the rite of passage. And we know that the Nuragic culture was Canaanidish. So we're talking about. If these are giants, these are Canaanitish people. We're talking about the Nephilim. That's what we're talking about. And the Nephilim being associated with a rite of incubation. In other words, there was a belief among the Canaanites, and I believe that this belief is still held by members of the occult, that you can commune with dead giants, with the spirits of dead giants, perhaps, if you have their remains. And why would you want to do that? Because we're talking about beings that are, first of all, extremely, exceedingly ancient, going back into the antediluvian world before the flood. So they're very knowledgeable and they're extremely intelligent because they're not entirely human. Their fathers are the Watchers, in other words, the angels. Their mothers were human women. And according to the Book of Enoch, as part of the punishment for the watchers and their hybrid offspring, the Nephilim, when the. When the giants died, they were sent to war with one another, and God dispatched an angel that caused them to go to war with one another. And when they killed each other in battle, or if they died subsequent to that, in the flood, the curse. There was a curse that was placed on them that when they died, their spirits would be forced to. Their disembodied spirits would be forced to wander the earth as vagabond wraiths. However. So these are disembodied beings, however, they would have all of the desires of the flesh. They would be hungry, they would be thirsty. Presumably, they would have sexual desires, impulses, but with no bodies through which to fulfill those desires, through which to satisfy those desires. So this is a curse. And so the Nephilim are deathless, by the way. This is the origin of demons in Hebrew cosmology, the exclusive origin of demons. There is no other, really. This is where the demons that are the possessing demons that you encounter in the New Testament that Jesus is casting out and his disciples, those are the disembodied spirits of the giants from before the flood, according to the Book of Enoch. And so the idea here is that the Canaanites believed that you could maintain communication because they're in this cursed Condition, the Nephilim, once they die, you can perhaps use their remains to summon their spirits and communicate with them. And that's what the rite of incubation was about. And perhaps also to become inhabited, possessed by them, by these spirits. So my question is going full circle back to what we were talking about before. Is this what the modern occult is doing with the remains of giants, with the bodies and skeletal remains of giants? Are they practicing these necromantic, ancient Canaanidish necromantic rites?

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

To what end?

[Timothy Albarino]

To communicate with these beings, to gather intelligence from them, perhaps to become possessed by them for power, for knowledge and.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

As you know, very intelligent beings, as you were talking about. So to be able to communicate with them in that capacity, exceedingly intelligent.

[Timothy Albarino]

So you know, the Greeks believe this as well. They believe that the spirits, that those who died in the pre flood world, those who died in the great deluge, that their spirits persisted in the world as muses, as, as you know, daimons. That's what they called, right, demons, but in the Greek, from, in the Greek perspective they were good, you know, they were the muses, they would help you. And so the Greek philosophers would always seek a muse. And what does that mean? They're looking for non human information. They want to, they want to gain non human information from a non human intelligence. So this is a very old, this is a very ancient idea. And I think again that the modern occult, whatever you call them, they, the Satanists, Luciferians, the Illuminati, however you want to label them, that acolytes of the occult today are using the bodies and bones and remains and artifacts related to giants to try and summon and communicate with the spirits of the Nephilim, with demons.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Because you know, to my mind I'm thinking all of these artifacts that are there, they're laid out and they're being swept up every night by somebody's coming along and taking these things off. Where do these things go? Are they at the Smithsonian? Are they at these occults? Are they at these Satan spots?

[Timothy Albarino]

Where they're doing these, I cannot know. But I have good reason to believe that at least some of the remains of giants went to the Vatican.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

That was going to be my next question now.

[Timothy Albarino]

And I don't say that just because I want to create some conspiracy involving the Vatican. No, that's what I was told in Sardinia, that the Vatican was involved.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Well, it makes sense that that government comes in and swoops it up and manages to take it. So underneath the Vatican, it's an unbelievable dream. To be able to go and see what's hidden in the catacombs beneath the Vatican. Let's talk about the United States, because we talked about late 1800s. So I'm fascinated, like 1880s, 1890s, 1900, when these things are starting to turn up in the United States. What do we know about this and.

[Timothy Albarino]

Where in the U.S. well, let's begin with, I think, what's the best starting point? And that would be Abraham Lincoln. Because unbeknownst to most Americans, Abraham Lincoln, while waxing poetic about Niagara Falls and some lecture notes, he writes, quote, the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon Niagara as ours do. Now, that's a direct quote from Abraham Lincoln. So he is. Lincoln is, as he's writing this in 1848, he is assuming that this idea that the bones of giants that fill. Not filled, present tense, that fill the mounds in America, that that knowledge is ubiquitous, that this is something commonly known. He's writing this in his notes for a speech. So that's the first place you have to begin, because there's a lot of, again, armchair archaeologists out there who will say, no, this is just a myth. There were some newspapers that were engaging in wild speculation, sensationalism, which is true in many cases, but they'll just write it all off to wild speculation sensationalism, that there were no giants, no artifacts or bones or remains related to giants discovered in the mounds. That's patently false. The fact is that at the turn of the century, the late 1800s, early 1900s, it was common knowledge, so common that Abraham Lincoln is including it in his speech notes.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

That there were the bones of giants being exhumed, that the bones of giants were being exhumed from the mounds in America. Not all of the mounds, but some of the mounds. And we're talking in some cases, full skeletons. And, you know, there's newspaper clippings from that time that you can still look at today, that many of them that recount the discoveries of giants, not just in the mountains, also in the Grand Canyon and other settings as well. Yes. Some of those, let's say, even if half or 90% of those, let's say, let's be very generous, let's say 90% of those of the accounts in the press at the time, in the periodicals are ranked speculation and sensationalism, that still leaves you with 10%.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

Even if it's 1%, you still have a giant.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Well, that's why I always say about UFOs, like all it takes is one, right? People can. You can say, I can. I was speaking to somebody from MUFON the other day who said 90% of everything we investigate is explainable. You know, it's just anomalous activity. It could be police, it could be something else. But all it takes is one. Even if some of that 10% is throw it out, still just takes one.

[Timothy Albarino]

Because you're never just going to have one giant.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

So the mounds. I lived in Ohio for a while, and I went and did some interesting stuff with some of the mounds that are seen throughout near Dayton, Ohio, and so forth. Are we talking about those types of mounds in the United States?

[Timothy Albarino]

In Ohio, yeah. East of the Mississippi, there used to be thousands, tens of thousands of them. There are still some today. Most of them are gone. They were systematically exhumed. All of the artifacts and remains were systematic. They were systematically exhumed by the Smithsonian. And so most of the mounds have been emptied and then leveled. Most of them. There are still some that remain. There's a lot of mounds still on private property. You have different kinds of mounds as well. I mean, you have effigy mounds that are just like, you know, for example, you have the Serpent Mound in Ohio.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

Which is very astronomical. So that probably had an. It was related to astronomical phenomenon. And then you had burial mounds. Those were the ones where you would find the bones of giants. These are mounds that were used as tombs, and they usually have some sort of a structure underneath. So it's a structure covered in earth, by the way. It's likely that some, if not all of the tombs of the giants in Sardinia were also covered by earth. So you have a very similar situation going on between the United States and the island of Sardinia. And in fact, right at the same. Right in that same time frame, let's say the early 20th century, is when all of these bones and remains of giants were being dug up in America and simultaneously in Sardinia.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Why that timeframe? Why do you think? Just the excavation tools and equipment?

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah, I think because I think that it was probably known going back further, probably back to the 1700s, that there were some anomalous skeletal remains in some of these mounds. But I think the newspaper started to pick them up, and so it did get sensationalized, and it became a big story. It was a headline. And so people were probably taking to the mounds, you know, amateur archeologists taking to the mounds with their shovels and spades to see if they can find these anomalous, gigantic skeletal remains. And eventually the Smithsonian got A hold of this thing and systematically went through and excavated the mounds and exhumed all of the remains. Again, there are some mounds that remain today. I would say very few of them, if any, would have skeletal remains left in them. I mean, we can see into the mounds from outer space at this point with ground penetrating radar technology. So I'm doubtful that anyone's going to be finding any more remains of giants in any mounds anytime soon.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Where do you think the bulk of these skeletal remains live right now?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, they were either destroyed in Sardinia. I heard stories where they were destroyed. They were gathered up and destroyed, and in other cases they were taken to the university. Like the case of the two guys who excavated at Sant Anastasia in Sardinia.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

What do you think wiped them out? And why do you think they're so scared to tell us about them?

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I think first and foremost, this fratricidal war that happened in the antediluvian world, followed by the great flood, that's the first thing. But we know that there are giants in the earth, as Genesis 6 informs us, not only in the antediluvian world, but also afterward. And obviously in the biblical narrative, you have the Canaanite giants, you have, you have Goliath of Gath who David slays, and you can quibble about how tall he was. You know, you have certain scholars out there today who say, because it depends on which cubit you use in regard to the measurement. But you have scholars today who say, well, he was just 6ft tall, or he was 7ft tall, he was an NBA player. And then you have others who say, no, he was probably 12 to 15ft tall. We know that OG of Bashan, his bedstead was 14ft long and he was considered a descendant of the giants. You have the Anakim who are called the descendants of the Nephilim in the book of Exodus and in the narrative of the conquest of Canaan, clearly the Israelites believed recorded that they were fighting tribes of giants. And so you have entire tribes of giants like the Anakim in the ancient Near East. And then you have, and then you have giants living among other populaces like Goliath, who was living among the Philistines. And then of course, that's just the biblical record, but if you, you can go anywhere around the world and find legends of giants. And you know, I've got a lot of data here from the conquest of Peru, for example, where they were turning up the bones of giants all over the place in Peru. And it's very well documented. Yeah, maybe a couple of These cases could have been dinosaurs. But again, we have instances here where the entire skeleton is unearthed and it's humanoid. It's not a dinosaur, it's not a giant sloth. And there's jewelry and there's artifacts associated with the giants.

[Interviewer Assistant]

That.

[Timothy Albarino]

That unequivocally prove that these are humanoid remains, that these are not animals, that these are not dinosaurs. And there's remarkable stories. I mean, we're talking about the same chronicles from which we derive the history of the conquest of Peru, the same chroniclers. It's crazy. You know, Bernabe Cobo, Antonio de la Calancha, for example, these guys in, in the midst of their narrative of the conquest of Peru, they've got these crazy stories of giants. Like, I'll give you one. In Antonio de la Calancha, he writes in the extirpation of idolatry in Peru, he writes that there was, after the conquest of Peru, you had two groups coming in to kind of clean up. You had the Catholic Church, the priests are coming in to forcefully convert the natives to Catholicism and to destroy their idols, right? To destroy. They're looking for whatever the. The. To extirpate idolatry in Peru. To destroy whatever the. The Peruvians were worshiping. What are called huacas. To this day, they're still called huacas. And then you had. Who were accompanying the priests on this mission were the royal inspectors who represented the crown of Spain. They were called the visitadores. And they would come with the. They would accompany these expeditions. They were there not so much to extirpate idolatry, but to make sure that the authority of the king is being established in. In. In the realm, but also to. To. To make sure that they were collecting the royal fifth, because the fifth of all the treasure that was discovered went back to. It belonged to the king, Spain. So that's what they were there for. So they're going around the priests and the. And the. And the officials of the crown, and they're making copious notes of what they're finding in these villages, right? Because the. The. The visitadores are. The officials are going to write down what kind of treasures, how much in gold, how much in silver, right? So that they can keep record to get for the royal fifth. And the priests are recording the various kinds of idolatry and what they did about it. And it was pretty brutal. But in the midst of this narrative, you have a scene in which they enter a village, particular village, and they always inquire where the waka is, where's the Waka of the village. What are you worshiping? Sometimes it's a mountain, sometimes it's a shrine, sometimes it's a mummy.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

There's all different kinds of huacas among the natives in Peru. And in this particular case they said that the huaca was in a cave. And so this group of priests and visitadores go into the cave and they record that when they went into the cave there were many dead bodies of what they call gentiles on the ground. Right. Just laying on the ground and among them. And you get the idea as you read further into the narrative that there were enshrined around these bodies or in front of these bodies, two gigantic bodies, giants dressed in kumbi, the traditional dress of the natives. So you have, and they write that it appeared that the gentiles were sacrificed. So it's human sacrifice. Sacrifice to what? The waka, what's the huaca? Two dead giants who are dressed in kumbi. This is in the record of the conquest of Peru. They take the bodies out and they burn them in the village. Because that's what they would do, they would burn all of the idols in the village in, in view of the villagers. These are your old idols, you're done with those. And then they impose Christianity. And that's one of dozens of stories, I mean, I go on and on both in Sardinia, in Peru. Then you have the stories of the Smithsonian cover up in the United States. You have the stories of the Native American tribes in the United States universally. All of them talk about a tribe of red haired giants. Six fingered red haired giants.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

All of them.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yes. Who inhabited the United States. They all have, all of the ones I've interact with.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

You know, you're talking about the Sioux, the Crow, the Pueblo. All of the ones I've interacted with have. The Pueblo Indians have a secret society revolved around giants. A giant society they call it. And they told me, the Pueblo Indians told me we know where the bodies of red haired giants are buried, but we're never going to take the white man really to see them. So it's, I mean, so you have the ubi, you have the ubiquitous testimony of the ancient world. And then you have all of these newspaper clippings, newspaper articles from the, from the turn of the century. Then you have all the stories in Sardinia. Then you have the biblical account at some point. All of this anecdotal evidence is just evidence of giants.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

And, and I think that, you know, when you've, when you've informed yourself, when you've taken the time to properly inform yourself of this reality, both historical and more contemporary. I think the only logical conclusion you can draw is that there were giants in the earth at some point. Not NBA players, 10 to 12, some accounts say 15, and even above. There were giants roaming this planet. And in my opinion, there are places where they still do.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

I get you out of here on this, Timothy, because, I mean, I could talk all night about this, but you and I are going to go to have dinner and I'm going to talk further about it after this. But I guess I'll ask you this. Why do you think they've covered it up and why you go to such great lengths to hide the bodies, get rid of them?

[Timothy Albarino]

There's various explanations for this. Let's, let's be specific. I'm trying to be as concise as possible here. Let's be specific to the Smithsonian.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

So at the, in the, in the early days of the Smithsonian Institution, they had. Their director was a guy named Colonel Powell. And Powell was an ardent isolationist. Okay? He was a Darwin, he was a Darwinian evolutionist and an isolationist. Very, very dogmatic. And we all know what the theory of evolution is. But the theory of, of isolationism, as it pertains to, as it pertains to history, to anthropology, propounds that all of these individual civilizations developed on their own in an isolated fashion. In other words, the ancients were not crossing the seas, the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians or the Phoenicians or some other ancient culture. There was no cross ocean contact that each civilization developed in isolation except for whatever communication they had with their neighbors by land.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right?

[Timothy Albarino]

That's the theory of isolationism. And Powell was, as I said, he was an ardent isolationist. Today, the doctrine, the two primary, the dominating doctrines of the Smithsonian Institution are, are our evolution by natural selection and isolationism, anthropological isolationism. So, and that's probably not the right technical term, not anthropological isolationism, but isolationism in the realm of anthropology is what I want to say. So Powell, this is the doctrine now, now this, this is the doctrine that he's going to force on whatever evidence he finds. That's how zealous he is. The problem is he starts to find the bodies of giants and his field investigators start coming back with the stories of the bodies of giants. How do we know that this is the case? Because Powell himself, and I don't have the document here. I wish I did. Powell himself, in a letter to a colleague, he says, and I want to paraphrase, we cannot yet Discuss the bodies of these alleged giants until we can determine where they came from. That's paraphrasing the letter to his colleague because his colleague is telling him about, he's hearing there's all these reports of giants. And so his point is we have a problem here.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

It would upend natural selection.

[Timothy Albarino]

It upends both could upend, could not necessarily upend natural selection, but definitely upends isolationism. Because one thing that they determined early on was that the giants were not native to America. They came from over the ocean, they came from over the sea. And this is the legend that the Native Americans have, by the way, that in Central south, in South Central and North America they all say the same thing. The red haired giants came from over the sea. And, and my theory, and we don't have time to go into this, is that they were brought in many cases by the Phoenicians.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Wow.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

So this idea of Native Americans, they are the original natives of North America, not so much.

[Timothy Albarino]

Well, I mean, everybody comes from somewhere.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right?

[Timothy Albarino]

Right. So the Native Americans probably did come from somewhere around Mongolia, down through the Bering Strait and so forth. But at a. But they were here before the giants. Here, here, not in the Middle East.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

The giants go back to the antediluvian world, but they came to America at some point. And I believe that they came here with the Phoenicians who in my estimation, I think there's a lot of good evidence for this. They came with the Phoenicians who were harvesting, who were mining copper in the Great Lakes. And there has been, you know, copper in the Great Lakes. The Michigan copper mines, for example, have a trademark purity. It's like 99.999% pure copper. And it's a trademark, it's a fingerprint of, of that copper from the Michigan copper mines, the ancient mines. And you can find that ingots, copper ingots with that thumbprint.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right.

[Timothy Albarino]

With that fingerprint purity in the Middle East. So where is it coming from? Very likely from the Great Lakes. Who is, who is capable in the ancient world of doing that, of navigating the oceans like that? The Phoenicians and probably only the Phoenicians. And the Phoenicians were the Canaanites. The Phoenicians are what, the word Phoenician comes from the Greek, the Greeks called the Canaanites the Phoenicians. So here you have a seafaring people, in fact, the greatest of all ancient seafaring people who also happen to be the greatest masons, who Built the temple in Jerusalem. Solomon's Temple. The Phoenicians.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

The Phoenicians.

[Timothy Albarino]

The King of Tyre.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Wow.

[Timothy Albarino]

Hiram and Hiram Abiff.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

We'll have to have you back. We're going to do like, we'll have to do like three more episodes here on this topic.

[Timothy Albarino]

Yeah. There's a lot more we could say. Yeah.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

It's so unbelievable to me and yeah, maybe, hopefully. Are you hopeful that we'll get some answers out of the Smithsonian?

[Timothy Albarino]

No, I said the only way that I'm hopeful is that I'm interfacing with some of the congressmen behind the scenes and I, I'm suggesting to them. See if you can piggyback this inquiry.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Right, yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

We're doing a review of the Smithsonian right now. The books are going to be opened.

[Interviewer Assistant]

Yeah.

[Timothy Albarino]

So why not piggyback an inquiry into the, into some of this other anomalous stuff and use their own records. We have the records of some of these anomalous artifacts associated with giants. In one case, a massive, like, battle axe that we know the Smithsonian has or had. So there's a real opportunity here for somebody in Congress to piggyback onto this review of the Smithsonian. Again, the Trump administration is concerned with all the woke stuff, but I think somebody clever can get in here and maybe do something else.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

The woke stuff is a good Trojan horse to get in there.

[Timothy Albarino]

Exactly right.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Timothy Albarino. Check out his great books. Check out Birthright I've got here. Check out the Book of Enoch as well, the complete edition. Check them out on Amazon. Go and support great journalism, great work, research and just blowing my mind here. Timothy, thank you so much.

[Timothy Albarino]

It was my pleasure.

[Interviewer (Clayton)]

Let's go eat some dinner.

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