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D (3:49)

All right.

B (3:50)

Can I just borrow your notes? I have two computers here which won't pull up. That's not it. It says Wednesday. All right, I don't know what's going on, guys, but we're going to talk about Epstein and we're going to talk about it right now. Okay? Are you ready? Well, the. Sorry. Okay, here we go. The Department of Justice says it will release the Epstein files eventually. Here's their filing, a court filing where they explain that the victim list and other sensitive materials is still sort of under review. They're saying this is painstaking, unfamiliar work. They've never seen this before, is brand new information. When did they say that they will release this? And again, this is in compliance with what Congress passed a few weeks ago ago, the Epstein Transparency Act. And they're like, yeah, we know we're supposed to do it. We will get it. Here's how they explain it. In the near term. They said we we cannot give you a specific date near term. Now, this explanation is very hard to believe. This was their case, this was their investigation. They have many times already redacted the names of the victims for their own prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell, of Jeffrey Epstein. This was their most high profile case in mo modern history. And they're saying this is, we don't know, we gotta go through it. This is brand new process of going through it. I brought this as a friends reference. This is what the department brand new information. If you know that friends quote, give me a thumbs up. So joining us to discuss is Shannon Joy from the Shannon Joy show, fellow Rumble creator. What do you think this is? And do you get my friend's quote?

E (5:32)

I mean, listen, that is what it is, is a big giant middle finger in the faces of all of the Epstein survivors, the people advocating for the Epstein survivors, the people involved in the painstaking work of getting these files released. It's also a middle finger to Trump's constituency, his base, Maga Maha Conservatives. It's a middle finger in the face of sanity and common sense because it is obvious that they can release these documents. They're being even more evasive, they're being even more vague with the wording and it's just absolutely offensive. It should offend every constituent. And one of the frustrations I have is the scrutiny of Pam Bondi and the Justice Department to the exclusion of Donald Trump. Donald Trump had another attorney general in his first administration that botched the Epstein case in losing the highest profile political prisoner in the world. That was William Barr. And he was working at the pleasure of Donald Trump. Pam Bondi works at the pleasure of Donald Trump. And my question is, when does the buck stop with Trump? Because he has a notorious history of running cover for and protecting sexual abusers, accused sex traffickers, child sex traffickers, Jeffrey Epstein, Jelaine Maxwell, Andrew and Tristan Tate, Sean Combs, Matt Gaetz, you name it. It's a long list of Trump's administration, amazingly, running cover for these sexual predators. And we also have this, you know, the long history of Donald Trump himself being accused. This is something that the Republican right wanted to ignore for 10 years, ever since he came down the escalator. They didn't want to do business with the fact that that Donald Trump was accused by over a dozen women of sexual assault and rape. They wanted to ignore the strange sexualization of his own daughter that had come out earlier. They wanted to ignore his horrifying behavior when he was running the Miss USA pageants. They wanted to ignore the Billy Bush comments when it's acceptable for powerful people to grab women by the. You know what? Because that's one of the perks of power. They wanted to ignore his statements to Megyn Kelly. They wanted to ignore so many of the links between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, their 10 year history, their best friendship. They then wanted to ignore the fact that Donald Trump rewarded Alex Acosta, the prosecutor in Florida that gave Jeffrey the original sweetheart deal, with a cabinet position. They wanted to ignore all of the areas that Trump has run cover for vile, grotesque, sick, evil, wicked and borderline demonic people. And so while, yeah, I'm frustrated with Pam Bondi in the Justice Department, my question is, when does the buck stop with Trump and when do we finally get to the truth?

C (9:01)

I'm glad you said that because again, you'll see people in our chat room that'll say, oh, running for cover or running cover for Trump. Again, it's always, and I can't say when people treat him like a toddler, you know, like, oh, well, Trump doesn't know about it. He didn't know. He's not involved with this. Right. But at some point also, we have to ask questions. Trump calling up the DOJ and saying, hey, wait a second, you clowns are telling us now, you need to review these documents. They've been in your servers. It's not like you discovered a box of things. As friend of the show Kyle Seraphin likes to point out, these aren't just like sitting in a document box. These are on servers that they all have access to. The idea that it's in the Southern district of New York and we have to transport it by a truck down to Washington D.C. so they can review it is total bullshit.

E (9:48)

I agree. I agree. And it defies logic, it defies common sense, it defies reason. There's no sense to it. Why on earth. I mean, in this, you know, this opens up a Pandora's box of horrors.

C (10:01)

Well, isn't it just Occam's Razor then? At the end of the day, Shannon, I mean, can we all just stop pretending like they are actively trying to hide it, right? Like they have it, they're protecting these child predators. And when that guy at that Ford plant yelled out to Trump, hey, protecting pedophiles, then he got scolded by the Ford, you know, the powers that be at Ford. But this is exactly what it is. It's Occam's Razor. At this point in my mind, right?

B (10:24)

And to my previous point, which I'd like to Scream. You already redacted these. You already protected victims for your prosecution of Maxwell and Epstein. It's been done. Strains credulity that you need to do it again. Brand new. Right?

E (10:43)

Well, and I think that there are so many. There are so many angles to the Jeffrey Epstein case and the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Again, I'll refer your audience to the reporting by Whitney Webb and her team and the reporting by Nick Bryant, who has been an independent investigative reporter following the Epstein case for decades, and he does really great work over at Epstein Justice. But, you know, this scandal indicts so many aspects of Washington, D.C. it indicts both political parties, Democrat and Republican. It indicts the corporate class. It indicts global leaders and global bureaucrats. It speaks to weapons trafficking, money laundering, sex trafficking, organ trafficking. It points to financial crimes committed by Jeffrey Epstein on behalf of this very dark and powerful cartel of people that run things today. And also.

C (12:00)

I'm sorry, I was gonna just jump on that point because wild Welsh woman in our chat room, she's a wild Welsh woman. She says that too many of Epstein's friends are still alive. That's why we'll never know the truth. Sort of kind of piggybacking off of what you just said.

E (12:17)

Right. Well, it's a criminal cartel, a criminal operation, and it indicts Trump as fully embedded in and participating with and protecting the very deep state that his supporters believe he is fighting. That's. That's the takeaway.

B (12:36)

Yeah, you nailed it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we see how he protects Israel. He, you know, how the US State Department will not prosecute or not make a fit of, you know, throw a fit when Israel has American citizens. It's just. It seems to be. It's borderless at this point.

F (12:56)

Well, there was the. There was. What was he, an ambassador or like an aide to an ambassador from Israel that was caught in a sex trafficking ring in Arizona and they just skirted him away to Israel before prosecution?

C (13:06)

I mean, yeah, it was like. Well, he was. I think he was the head of cyber whatever to Netanyahu. One of Netanyahu's, like, right hand men. We just wrapped him up in Vegas and shipped him off to Israel where he's fine. It's okay. To protect a child predator.

B (13:20)

Right. Several Mossad agents had stayed at Epstein's apartment. We know that now. We know that the former prime minister has many times. Yeah. Was many times mentioned in the Epstein files and visited him with him many times. So, I mean, what we want to know is how were young Girls used and victimized. But what they want to keep from us seems to be international espionage and weapons trafficking and influence.

E (13:46)

Well, exactly. And also blackmail and coercion. So this is how they. They tighten their grip on power structures, on diplomats and governments, presidents, senators. I mean that when people wonder why there is so much corruption, why everything is falling apart. Everything is falling apart, it is because there is a blackness and a darkness at the seat of power, not just here in the United States of America, but, to your point, across the globe. And it has been allowed to grow and fester. And I think we're just at a point where we're coming to a tipping point, it seems to me. I'm glad that the American people. We need to continue to pursue this. I don't want to hear the Epstein. The Epstein files are just a distraction. They're just a hoax. That is such a lie. The Epstein files are everything they point to. Almost everything. Yeah.

C (14:46)

And when you have these conservative influencers out there who are running cover for, like, people like the. I don't. Cat turd or whatever else that are like, it's fine. We don't need to know about the Epstein files. It is a hoax.

B (14:55)

Let's move on.

C (14:55)

Let's just move on the Laura Loomers of the world. We don't need to understand what's inside these things. It's a slap in the face to everyone who elected President Trump in this administration for transparency. And so when you look at this, if the DOJ had truly intended transparency, transparency, what do you think? Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, Shannon. Like, what would an honest transparency act that President Trump sign, What would that process have looked like? And how far off are we from it right now? Has it been totally derailed?

E (15:25)

I think it's completely derailed. I don't think that there, at this point, you'd have to peel off layers upon layers of the Justice Department. People would have to be fired. Pam Bondi would have to go. Donald Trump would have to. I mean, there's. There are so many layers of protection now. The work that Tom Massey and Ro Khanna are doing is very important. And I don't say that to give the audience the idea that we can't get to truth on this, we can't get to the bottom of it. But personally, I think that that's going to perhaps have to come from outside of Washington, D.C. so it's going to have to happen at the state level or, I mean, some of the most clarity that we've seen in this case has come from state actions. I don't know that it is even possible right now with the makeup in Washington, D.C. and the nature of who is controlling things in Washington, D.C. that we could get, that we could really trust anything that we could get from them in terms of a good faith release of the documents. That being said, who knows? You know, Never say never.

C (16:35)

Someone in our chat room. Hard skills fail in our chat room. And on rumble says, tds, this is a Trump derangement syndrome channel. They will release the files after they. Oh, hold on, let me finish. The state.

B (16:46)

Where's the unicorn? Outside your house.

C (16:48)

Let me reread it.

B (16:48)

Okay.

C (16:49)

TDS channel. They will release the heart, the files after they have built the cases.

E (16:55)

Trust the plan, baby.

C (16:57)

Trust the plan.

E (16:58)

12 dimensional chest right off a cliff. Let's trust that plan. Right off the cliff, right? Who is deranged, right? Like, I throw that back. I mean, I'm not the. I'm not the deranged one here. It is deranged to assume that this, you know, this president who has been stringing you along for the past 10 years on this topic is now going to all of a sudden turn and change his ways. I mean, this president is the one who's out there calling it a hoax. This president is the one who's out there currently expanding his roster of sex traffickers and pedophiles who he would like to protect with Andrew and Tristan Tate. I mean, think about that. This administration sent Richard Grenell, a diplomatic envoy who works for President Trump, to Romania to. I'm sorry, to Munich to strong arm Romanian officials into releasing the Tate brothers back to the United States of America. And that would have worked if it weren't for the Attorney General in Florida and Ron DeSantis, who basically said, if these boys stay in Florida, we're gonna file charges against them here. Right, because of the nature. I mean, dozens of charges of sex trafficking and rape of a minor and money laundering and human trafficking, you name it. The Tates are all entangled in this in the UK and Romania. But, like, who expends political capital to send a special envoy on behalf of these guys? It makes no sense whatsoever. And it's all over Donald Trump. I mean, he's either implicated himself in these files or he's implicated in so many other things. And such a controlled character, Manchurian Candidate, whatever you want to call it, that. That he can't really release these. I think it's just. It's. The corruption is too layered.

B (18:55)

I mean, if this is the episode that gives you derangement syndrome, then okay, I'll wear that button but also add to it Biden derangement syndrome because the Biden DOJ protected Epstein too. Same with Obama and Bush. So, okay, just make my. Then I have derangement syndrome for all of them equally.

G (19:14)

And that's the thing.

F (19:14)

Like the commenter talking about like they're making the case, how long have they been sitting on this? Like Massey, Thomas Massey, Thomas Massie had to come out and said like he said he'll know whether he gets the stuff or not because he has about what it was like 32 names of people that he's expecting to see. It's like the thing is, like they know what is what. What we need is somebody with the evidence, with the will to prosecute. What we have is people with the will to prosecute and other people with the, with the evidence. And we can't get those together. And that's what we need.

B (19:44)

Right? Yeah. Shannon Joy, thank you so much for joining us. You're spot on on this one. It is not a partisan nature. You cannot filter it through partisan politics. This is about who is influencing in evil ways and exploiting young children because of it.

C (20:00)

So trust the process, bro.

G (20:02)

Right?

C (20:03)

Trust the process, bro.

E (20:04)

Well, thank you guys for having me. I love your show. I love fans of you guys. So really appreciate the platform and just keep up the great work.

H (20:12)

You too.

C (20:13)

Thank you. Well, let us know in the comments. Do you guys trust the process? You guys happy with the way things are going with the Epstein files release? And do you have, by the way, faith in future transparency laws? Like this is a law passed by Congress, signed by the president. And the DOJ is stonewalling. It's not even like slow rolling it. They're literally stonewalling it. So where do you guys come down on that? What do you guys feel about future transparency laws? Let us know in the comments. And yeah. All right. Well, we got more news. We're going to talk about China's birthright scam. Over a million Chinese citizens will be able to vote in the United States in the coming years because of the, that whole anchor baby scheme. We're going to talk about that. It's intentional. And Peter Schweitzer, by the way, he was all over this. He's got a brand new book out specifically hitting on all of this, how they use immigration to infiltrate and destroy countries. So we'll talk about that. But first, I don't know if you saw, have you seen silver hit $130 an ounce. Holy smokes up. I mean when we started talking about silver on the show, was it $30 an ounce? 130. I don't know if you saw what happened today. Of course there was. All the banksters tried to get together and they're trying to scuttle everything. So they sold off. They sold off as much paper as they could in the gold and silver markets trying to, trying to tank the prices right now for gold and silver. It didn't work. It dipped but shot right back up. So people aren't falling for it. They know the US Dollar is collapsing. The US dollar is in real trouble. And of course it's intentional. The devalue of the devaluation of our currency is intentional. And that's why we're big proponents of owning gold and silver. Having precious metals in your bank account right now and this ride is not coming to an end anytime soon. We're going to see some volatility for sure. But if you want to put your family's future inside the US dollar, you better think again. So we want to tell you about our friends over at Lear Capital which can actually help you get invested in precious metals Right now. All you need to do is call their 800 number. They're an American company. They will send gold silver coins right to your house or you can have it stored off site in a guarded facility. Totally up to you. You do you. Some people like to store it in their own gun safe in their house. They've got a big gold safe. One of our, one of our friends has a huge like gold safe in his house. We prefer to store it off site. But you guys do you whatever you want to do and our friends at Lear Capital can help you do that right now. Morgan Stanley has just changed their strategy right now to include 20% precious metals in their in their strategy. Unbelievable. So we want you to check it out. Give them a call 1-800-613-3557 to get your free gold and silver guide. They have a new report out right now with silver hitting $150 an ounce. Check that for sure or go to learredacted.com the website. You can also now they just increased. It was $15,000. Now it's $20,000 in free bonus medals with a qualified purchase. So go to learredacted.com get up to $20,000 in free bonus medals with a qualified purchase or call the 1-866-133-5557.

B (23:24)

Over 1 million Chinese citizens will be able to vote in US elections in the coming years because of an anchor baby scheme or birthright citizenship. Watch this report from excellent journalist Peter Schweitzer. And then we'll discuss.

H (23:38)

China has an industrial scale model that they have been doing this for more than 10 years. They advertise and they, they run articles. Articles in the People's Daily, the CCP main publication, telling members of the Chinese Communist Party elite, go to the United States. Your child can get U.S. citizenship. They're encouraging them to do it. And we in the United States have no idea how many Chinese officials have done this because we don't track it. It's not on birth certificates. The Chinese government believes that over the last 13 years, every year, roughly 100,000 Chinese babies have been born in the United States who are then brought back to China where they are being raised. So do the math. That's more than a million, quote unquote, U.S. citizens who are being raised in China. And guess what? When they turn 18, Steve, they're going to be able to vote, they're going to be able to give, to donate to political campaigns, they're going to be able to apply to government jobs. It's a massive organized security breach. That's what they going on here.

C (24:41)

Yeah.

B (24:41)

All right. Well, you'll recall that President Trump tried to end birthright citizenship on day one of his current term with this executive order. Lawsuits were filed almost immediately. The case is currently being heard in the Supreme Court. We have not heard oral arguments, but we do know what the government's case is. This is a biggie, but we won't get a ruling until June. So in the meantime, Representatives Thomas Massie and Brian Babbitt have introduced the Birthright Citizenship Act. It closes a loophole that laws, under its provisions, children of illegal aliens would not qualify for 14th Amendment birthright citizenship. Now, this is kind of interesting, and I want to make the point that it may be the government's way of sort of moving against its own interests. And here's why I'm against birthright citizenship, not just because of anchor babies, but because it doesn't just confer rights, it imposes permanent and inescapable taxation for a human being. So starting at birth, almost like the matrix, these little taxpayers are stamped out. And then wherever they live in the world, they have to pay taxpayers like, you're born a slave. You cannot refuse it. You have to file your taxes even if you don't live here. You have to report worldwide income because of Obama. And the banks that work with you also have to Report all of your assets. So birthright citizenship to my mind is jurisdictional capture. Which raises the question, why would the Chinese do this? Create these little Chinese dual citizens? That now puts Chinese money into U. S. Taxpayer coffers. So it's interesting. Now you may remember a couple of years ago we did this segment about Meghan and Harry's baby. If they were to inherit from the British crown, the US Would get their hands on royal money because they're US Citizens. Maybe that's why the king took away their titles. That and the fact that they're brats. So what is this scheme for China? Why would China risk exposing Chinese money to the US Government? What's in it for them? Former US Attorney Michael Nguyen has spoken about these issues. Thank you so much for joining us. How do we know this is happening and what do you think is the end game?

G (26:58)

All right. Well, it's, it's happening. And I'm not so concerned about, you know, the tax consequences. The likelihood of most of these anchor babies, if you will ever pay in taxes, I think, or, or being pursued for a failure, pay taxes, I think is de minimis. Really the larger concern is the long term impact. And the Chinese do as a culture, we all hear this. They look at the longer run. You know, our view is maybe in the next quarter, the next, I don't know, generation. They look at history in the hundreds of years. So this is a 20 to 30 year at least horizon. Because once these children reach adulthood, they can petition for citizenship for their parents and then the grandchildren are here. And as we just heard, you know, what, what can happen is, you know, these individuals now, they're indoctrinated because they go back to mainland China for most of their, you know, childhood, and they grow up understanding and believing that the way that government and the regime works is the way it works. You know, we're at a point where 23% of babies born in the United States are born to undocumented individuals.

B (28:19)

Wait, 23%? Almost one in four, 3%.

G (28:24)

Okay. Collectively now you have a huge number from Russia, from Mexico, from countries like that. The case that's teed up before the United States Supreme Court to be argued this spring and decided in June and July, does not hit this issue head on. What you're dealing with, there are babies born to parents who have been in the United States for some period of time, not babies born as a result of this commercial exploitation. I think if we had that case, it's an easier case for the United States Supreme Court to overrule the precedent that has stood since 1898. Now, in that case, they held that the subject to part of the 14th Amendment is broad enough so that it would include. In that case, you had a Chinese couple who had established a business and a permanent domicile in San Francisco had a child. Supreme Court ruled that that individual was subject to the jurisdiction. Arguably, too, you know, in these two cases coming up before the United States Supreme Court this spring, you know, the parents are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. If it's part of a commercial enterprise where there's no intention to remain in the United States, that's a different issue. And that's the case, I think that overturns the Supreme Court precedent.

D (29:53)

The bill.

G (29:53)

I know Congressman Babin, it's a good effort he's making, but the bill will be unconstitutional as the law currently stands. We gotta wait for one. For these individual cases, there are major, you know, operations where at least one in Irvine, what are called maternity hotels.

C (30:12)

Yes.

G (30:13)

And the individual Chinese will pay $40,000 apiece. You had a $30 million wire coming across, which is why you can prosecute it. You know, this birth tourism itself, it's not a federal crime. What is a federal crime, though, is money laundering to support visa fraud. Okay. So now your assistant US Attorneys are getting a better handle on how to prosecute these cases because the mothers coming across and often the fathers are lying on their visa applications. They'll say they're coming as students, business persons. They'll overstay. Okay. And they're not putting their purpose down. That is a federal crime.

C (30:56)

So that's how you get. It's like the. It's like a Capone strategy. So it's like, yeah, we can't get them for the murders center.

G (31:03)

The other thing is Medicaid, Medicare. You have Medicaid set up. Who's going to get. Who's going to aid in these births?

B (31:10)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as a pregnant lady.

D (31:13)

Fraud.

G (31:14)

Right. You got fraud right there. Claiming your Medicaid expenses for especially you say you're going to have some wealthy individuals coming over. You're going to have. Some are going to try to take advantage of United States, you know, federal programs in connection with the births. Okay. And then you're obviously going to have tax evasion by those who are running the maternity hospitals. But it's longer term. It's more than just corrupting our, you know, our electorate and polluting that. It's potentially, you know, corrupting the business infrastructure of the United States as well as positions that require top security clearance.

C (31:54)

You see this as you see this as a strategic pressure point here. This is, as you pointed out, this isn't about money, it's not about taxes. Who cares about that? It's a long game strategic pressure point on the United States. You mentioned a few of them, but what do you ultimately think the Chinese goal is?

D (32:10)

Right.

B (32:10)

To what end? How would they affect the elections? What is their goal?

G (32:14)

Well, the goal is to subvert the American culture that we've grown accustomed to and we love.

D (32:22)

Right.

G (32:22)

Because you're displacing a segment of the population with young adults who've been indoctrinated in the Chinese system.

D (32:31)

Right.

G (32:31)

Exactly what you're doing, trying to kill it from within. That's exactly what they're doing.

C (32:35)

I always try to be a glass half full, thinking maybe there's some other reason for this. But no, it's as dark and dastardly as you, as you pointed out to be. So ultimately, you think this is going to be really settled in the court, Massie and Babin and their bill, unconstitutional. It's going to really kind of have to come down to specific cases. Will that be then enough precedent in the Supreme Court to change everything, do you believe?

G (32:59)

Well, the problem is you got to tee up the right case. You got to tee up.

C (33:03)

What would the right case look like to you if you were going to put this together? What would the right case look like to you?

G (33:09)

The right case is a criminal case. One of these operations against a maternity hospital. And tee it up that way, you know, unfortunately we've had so much that's already happened and a fair amount of time is going to pass. You know, the best way to go about this is to publicize the problem and seek constitutional amendment. That's the best way to go about it.

C (33:37)

Wow, that's a. That's a tall. That's a tall order. Yeah.

G (33:42)

Stuff to mend the Constitution, but that's the clearest way to do it.

C (33:45)

Do you see any sort of working in tandem with people from a foreign country buying up US Land and territory? Of course, this is another piece of this whole strategy, which is buying up so much farmland, you know, near military bases and otherwise across the United States. Can you do this in tandem with something like that?

G (34:09)

Well, what you're doing is just highlighting other problems that are going to occur because you're going to have United States citizens, technically when they come back, and their children being able to take advantage of federal student loan programs, you know, any type of Small Business Administration thing. All of our federal programs, you know, as US Citizens, they're going to be able to take advantage of US Passports. List goes on and on and on and on, you know, buying up land, you name it. And the allegiance will be elsewhere. And that's where I think we can get ahead of the curve. You know, by a solid Supreme Court precedent, federal judges who toe the line and try to crack down. The current administration is making it a priority, devoting resources. That gives me some encouragement. But, you know, we generally have a perception that people have good intentions. Not everybody's like that. Yeah, we better get sharp on the long term.

B (35:15)

Although, as someone who was an expat for five years, FATCA enforcement can be like a gestapo. If you don't file your taxes while you're living abroad as a U. S. Citizen, they can sanction the bank, they can sanction your money. It is really strict. So there might be an advantage to the US Government to have this look, see into Chinese banks. I can see how there would be a way that the US Government might want to exploit this right back. I mean, I'm thinking like a bad guy, Right.

C (35:48)

But I mean, we have these great relationships and, you know, reciprocal treaties with. With Europe, but I don't know about China. Like how. How much? How much look, see, we get into Chinese banks.

G (35:58)

Well, you make a great, great point. And maybe there's be a slight upside. The odds of the Chinese banks that are telling us the truth and giving us accurate records are between zero and none. And I think the dangers far outweigh any potential benefits. You gotta think the Chinese have figured out a way to close that gap.

B (36:19)

You've got to. But, yeah, as it exists right now. I mean, again, I know that foreign expats are terrified of fatca. You just don't mess with it.

G (36:28)

No, no, that's. And should be. But. And they are. And they're expats. I doubt the individuals who have already committed tax fraud or committed visa fraud, you know, spent $40,000.

D (36:42)

Yeah.

G (36:42)

And have already engaged in this illegal conduct, are going to be terribly worried, you know, about a correct tax return because they're never going to be extradited.

C (36:50)

Right. No, great point. Good point.

B (36:52)

Good point.

C (36:53)

Michael Wynn, Wow. Great to have you on the show for the first time. I hope you'll come back. Thank you so much for your expertise. We really appreciate it.

G (37:01)

Well, it's been a pleasure. Take care.

C (37:03)

Thanks, Michael.

B (37:04)

Wow.

C (37:05)

Smart man. Yeah. That was brilliant, too. I mean, on the visa piece and the criminality and the Visa piece because, yeah, we've had these maternity hospitals, like, these secret hospitals where these women will go, they'll fly in and they'll be there for like, months at a time. Basically. It's sort of like the baby making factories in Ukraine, you know, and then of course, they're selling off the babies and everything. More nefarious. But anyway, more on that I'm sure we'll be following. So we'll see what members of Congress are able to do on that. All right, coming up, we're going to talk about Alberta's separation movement because, whoo, things just got hot today. I don't know if you've been watching, but, boy, turns out a covert group of Albertans have met privately with the Trump administration and, well, someone's not happy about it. The Canadian government, and particularly the British. Excuse me, the. The British. British Columbia Premier David Ebbey said that the separatists who met with Trump. That's treasonous behavior, that. We have a term for that. That's called treason. Meeting with a foreign government to try to break away and secede from Canada. Yeah, this is getting really hot. We're going to talk about that in moments.

B (38:12)

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C (39:51)

Thanks for sharing.

B (39:52)

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C (39:56)

That's true.

B (39:57)

Yeah. This is not new information.

C (39:59)

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C (40:17)

All right. Well, now, I'm sure you've seen the lines, the long lines in Alberta, Canada. People of course, gathering up, signing petitions, pushing forward for a separation movement from Canada. They are finished. They are absolutely finished. They are tired of supporting financing the rest of woke Canada and they want their independence. Well, stuff just sort of hit the fan this afternoon because Trump officials, according to Financial Times, met with. Excuse me. Trump officials met with a group from Alberta which are pushing for independence. Separatists from this oil rich province meeting covertly with the Trump administration. Well, here's British Columbia Premier David Ebbe. He said that Alberta separatists meeting with officials from the Trump administration is tantamount to treason. And listen to him. He almost sounds like he's about to cry.

I (41:11)

I'd like to just take and pause a moment. I read an article last night in the Financial Times about a group of people from Alberta. I won't describe them as Albertans who went to the White House seeking the assistance of the United States to break up our country. Now, I understand the desire to hold a referendum to talk about the issues you want to talk about in Canada. We got free speech. That's important. But to go to a foreign country and to ask for assistance in breaking up Canada, there's an old fashioned word for that, and that word is treason. It is completely inappropriate to seek to weaken Canada, to seek to go and ask for assistance to break up this country from a foreign power and with respect, a president who has not been particularly respectful of Canada's sovereignty, I'm going to be raising that issue at this table. I think that while we can respect the right of any Canadian to express themselves to vote in a referendum, I think we need to draw the line at people seeking the assistance of foreign countries to break up this beautiful land of ours.

C (42:18)

So let's just talk about this. So I don't know if you've seen over the past 24 hours also what's happened inside of Alberta. Apparently they shut off the power to much of the city. Much of the city shut down because of this. So Winfield, Alberta had the power cut off to interfere with the Alberta independence petition. And then of course, when hundreds of people came out to sign a petition and hear in the city hall or in the city gathering what was going on. Guess what? Someone tried to pull the fire alarm to get them to disperse and get out of there. But no one got up and left. No one decided to leave. And they said, we're just going to stay here because we're tired of your bs. And this is. Let me see if I can pull up some of the video here. Of, of this. Maybe.

D (43:04)

I don't.

C (43:04)

Yeah, they shut off all the power here anyway. I can't pull it up here. So.

B (43:09)

Well, what's interesting is that this David Ebbey, he was community noted on X and specifically the laws in Canada do allow for provincial succession. They do allow for that successionist movement to meet with a government that they might want to succeed too. So he's wrong about that. Absolutely. He should know that. He's a lawyer. And also the term treason, this is, that does not meet those claims. So it's interesting because, you know, for most, even, even in the European Union, there is a way to get out of it. Whether or not you actually exercise it is one thing. But most contracts, most government social agreements are written with this in mind, even though of course they're going to go to great lengths to prevent it. Excuse me.

C (43:58)

Right. And if you look at Alberta's net contribution to Ottawa in general, so this is the big story here. $244 billion from 2007 to 2022. This dwarfs any other money flowing in from any other province at all. And not even close. So the idea of we're going to subsidize the rest of Canada with, with our oil rich lands, with our conservative values, with our farmland, with everything that we produce in Alberta, we're going to send it off so that you can put in all sorts of draconian regulations against us, preventing us from actually tapping into. Of course, last week at the World Economic Forum, Treasury Secretary Scott Besant was on the record with Jack Posobiek and said, oh yeah, we, we're fully willing to work with our partners In Alberta, we would like. We think that they would be open to, you know, an independent Alberta. So you have the sitting treasury secretary of the United States government basically openly calling for, in many ways, the separation and secession of Alberta from Canada.

B (45:01)

It's wild that this could actually happen. David Creighton had said many times that this is a serious movement. I don't think most of us really took it quite as serious, but we will continue, continue to wash it.

C (45:11)

What do you guys think in the chat room? How many? Let's see. Purebred Mutt says Canadians trust EB to be EB Nothing more, nothing less. They're living in Commieland. PP Hanaf says they're living in Commieland. Gary Shea says Canada is effed. Mack Truck says Scott Benson Besant is a George Soros toady. Let's see. Yeah, New vacation spot. People are saying, oh, yeah, if we can go to Alberta, I would definitely do that. I would support that. If they became an independent country, I'd be like, let's book a trip to Alberta.

B (45:51)

Look what our passport can do, you guys. Venezuela, Greenland. We didn't ask for this. We may not support it, but we'll go.

C (45:58)

Okay. Some people say they don't take Colorado. Watch. Watch says I don't take Canada seriously. Now. Do you mean Canada, Colorado Watch. Do you mean, like, you don't take Alberta seriously or Canada in general? Because if Alberta and Albertans seem pretty.

B (46:16)

Serious.

C (46:16)

Pretty serious on this issue of separating, I would say that is definitely the case right now. And would we actually have any kind of a connection to the United States? That's a bridge maybe too far. The idea that they would join United States as like the 51st state or.

B (46:35)

Like Puerto Rico, freely associated state, which I don't recommend because you get taxation without true representation. But, you know, there are ways. There are ways to skin a cat, as they say.

A (46:48)

Yeah.

C (46:48)

I think, though, you know, if. If I think, I think move towards independence first. Be happy and independent. Free from Canada. Free from free. And we will assist you. We will be happy to put in a pipeline, work with you on pipelines.

B (47:04)

But as we saw with the Scottish secessionist movement, that's much harder to do than you actually think economically. So it would be interesting to see the actual models of that. How can you decouple yourself from such a large behemoth as the Canadian government? Right.

C (47:20)

Well. And as Eric Thornvaldsen says, Edmonton makes up just like point 0.1% of Alberta's land mass. Calgary, 0.12%. So this idea that anybody sort of in, you know, any liberals in those cities would have any sort of moral right to dictate what happens across the remaining 99.76% of the land. Like, that's ridiculous. The same thing, though, happens, like in New York. Right. If you look at, like, New York State.

B (47:48)

Yeah.

C (47:49)

There's plenty of conservatives that live out in New York State, upstate New York, and out towards Buffalo and all over the. All over the state, all the way up towards Canada. But then, of course, most of the state's politics are all run because of the population center of liberals in New York City.

B (48:02)

Right.

C (48:03)

Maybe they should break free. Maybe New York State should.

B (48:06)

Well, I think California should start. Go, go.

C (48:09)

Yeah.

B (48:10)

Go off. Go with you. And then we'll see how that goes. We'll start with California.

C (48:15)

Oh, you forgot. Someone says Tananka. Dave says you forgot America. Samoa and the Northern Mariana Islands.

B (48:20)

There we go. Yeah.

C (48:21)

Yeah.

B (48:22)

Thank you for that. Very good.

D (48:23)

Very good.

C (48:24)

Yeah.

B (48:25)

All right.

C (48:26)

All right, more to come. We're gonna talk about the US Dollar collapse here in a moment. Silver, gold, surging. What is the real motivation for wanting to keep the dollar declining? You know, Trump has said openly that he likes a weak US Dollar because it's good for business. But is it good for the American people? And is it good for your family? Like, oh, if the US Dollar is declining and I can't rec. Purchasing power is declining, then guess what? I probably shouldn't be putting my family's future in a US Dollar. I should probably be putting in something else. So we'll talk about all of that in the US Dollar collapse in a moment. But first, all right, even though I'm not in Utah, I'm now connected to Salt Lake City using ExpressVPN. Honestly, I couldn't do this job every day without ExpressVPN. That's not an exaggeration. Every single day, I need to check website, read reports, access sources from around the world, protect private data. And the truth is, many of those websites are totally censored. Governments block them, corporations restrict them. And if you travel abroad, you're going to find that even basic sites you rely on just don't work, period. Traveling through Europe, that just happened to me. Countries all over Europe, the UK, Portugal site. I use ExpressVPN, because then I'm able to connect to all of those websites that I can do my job. Here's how it works. ExpressVPN lets you change your online location instead of being stuck with the version of the Internet that your government wants. You to see you can actually connect through one of ExpressVPN's secure servers in another country or now they've just added. So there are servers in all 50 states across the United States. So, you know, if you're in the uk if you're trying to access a site and you're in the uk, you can instantly connect it through a US server, like say in U, Utah or wherever you want. And then boom, wide open, same thing. You want to access more shows or streaming services on Netflix or whatever. You no longer are limited to what's available in your country. And it's not just about censorship. ExpressVPN also encrypts your Internet connection so your personal data is secure. No more hackers getting access to your data. Not corporations, not even Internet providers can track what you're doing. It's about privacy, privacy. And it's about freedom online. So protect your online privacy today by visiting expressvpn.com redacted to find out how you can get up to four extra months for free by clicking the link in the description box below or scanning that QR code right on the screen. That's ExpressVPN.com redacted. Well, who in the world could have predicted silver hitting 100 an ounce? Oh, I know. Our next guest. In fact, our next guest wrote a whole report about silver hitting $100 back when it was around $30. And people said that's crazy. Well, now it's already up to 1 15, $120 an ounce in that range. Kevin Demerit is the CEO of Lear Capital. And boy, do we have a lot to talk about. Whether it's precious metals, the US Dollar, what in the world is happening? There seems to be a lot of panic setting in right now. President Trump, Kevin, yesterday speaking about the US Dollar or the week, speaking about the US Dollar. And after he said everything's fine with the US Dollar, then it plummeted to a fresh four year low. We haven't seen this plummet. It was like a, it went off a cliff right down after the President said everything is fine. So we've got a lot to unpack today. But yeah, you nailed it, Kevin. I mean, $100. And I think. You think, I think you guys were being like conservative with that estimate, weren't you?

D (51:45)

Yeah, in the report we said $100 and we thought we were being conservative. We really thought that $150 was the place that silver would pro likely end up at. And now you're starting to see reports from Goldman Sachs And a lot of the other investment firms out there talking about $150 silver. So we're probably not that far off.

C (52:04)

So when you look at the US Dollar, I want to talk precious metals in a minute right now, because, oh my gosh, it's been off the charts. Gold and silver. And a new report about copper yesterday, which might be a huge play in 2026 as well. All these precious metals. We'll talk about that and what this means for reshoring these mines in the United States. The China war right now. But just let's talk about the US Dollar. Is it as bad as maybe I think it is, or maybe talk me off a ledge here. Is it worse or better?

D (52:33)

Well, unless you stop these deficits and debt, it's probably worse than most people believe. The US Is running this permanent trillion dollar deficit. The national debt is now larger than the entire US Economy. At some point, Clayton, confidence erodes when a country can't realistically repay what it owns without printing money. And that's where we are. When the interest on the debt is over a trillion dollars and you have to print just a trillion dollars to cover that, you're in a situation where you have to repay debt by printing money to do it. That's a horrible place to be. And it's usually the downfall of reserve currencies that we've seen since the 15th century. You had Portugal in the 15th century, lasted about 100 years. You had Spain in the 16th century. You had the Netherlands in the 17th century, France, Great Britain, and now here's the US dollar. Like I said, usually they all lasted about 100 years, and they all came to an end for the same reason, debts, debt and deficits. So we're kind of on the same path, right?

C (53:36)

And look at Rome. I mean, again, you're expanding your war efforts, and this is exactly what's happening in the United States. Like, you might be a big fan of the US military. Military, and I am personally, but 900 military bases around the world. And we just reported this week on our show that the President and the Department of War now want to expand into, you know, into China, in the islands, of course, around China, even building more of a military presence there. And this is exactly what happened to Rome. Keep expanding, printing money, and then eventually the chickens come home to roost, if that's the saying.

D (54:14)

Yeah, I mean, there's been more money creation and especially on the defense side since 2008. You know, you had the fall off in 2008 with the, with the economy they started printing a bunch of money. And then especially right after Covid started printing more money. The US period in history since 2008, when you massively increase the supply, each dollar becomes worth less over time. That just baked basic economics. And we're just printing at such a speed that our dollar is falling so fast that foreign governments and foreign demand for the dollar is shrinking. So you have these major company countries, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, all settling trade in their local currencies and gold and shifting away from dollars. So if you see that accelerate, and we have over the past five years, and it keeps getting worse and worse, then the dollar is going to continue to fall and make matters worse. Because if you think about how this would work if you had a stock, let's say Apple, and half of Apple stock was here in the United States, and half of Apple stock was outside the United States. And the outside of the United States stock just always kept itself outside the United States. Then the rest that was left the other 50%. You and I are trading it, and it's going up and down on a daily basis so we can kind of figure out what values are. All of a sudden one day somebody wakes up and says, hey, iPhones aren't selling that great. I'm going to sell stock. And the foreigner starts selling their 50%. All of that money or all that stock comes back into the United States and drops the value of the stock here in the US that's what's happening. Foreigners hold so many dollars that they don't want to hold anymore, that all of those reserve currencies that they held, which is usually the US Dollar, are now getting repatriated back into the United States. Not helping the dollars that are already here. Inflation's going to be higher for longer. The value of the dollar falls even faster, and the cycle just keeps on getting worse and worse and worse. So that's what I want people to understand. It's not just the money printing here in the United States that's a problem. It's all the foreign dollars held outside the United States that are coming back into the United States because foreigners, foreign countries don't want them. That's creating a bigger problem.

C (56:31)

You know, something was said at the World Economic Forum that group of globalists getting together to tell us how they're going to run and ruin our lives. But Ken Griffin from Citadel, I wanted to play a little piece of this. He was there. He was sitting next to Larry Fink. He was sitting next to all these other globalists. You know, Larry Fink of course, the head of BlackRock and Ken Griffin said US spending is reckless and unfixable. And he says right now everyone is rallied around this idea of, like, the AI as a savior. Like we have no other options. We have no other ideas at this point. We're just hoping that AI will, like, propel our productivity so much so that it will save us from this $39 trillion debt hole. Listen to Ken.

J (57:16)

It's a story of the recklessness of government spending within the private sector. There's a huge question as to where I will take us. And I was carefully taking notes and listening to what Larry has to say or to what Madame Lagarde has to say, because this is one of the big issues of our moment. Will I create the productivity acceleration that is honestly this hoped for in Washington and in the halls of government around the world as a way ways to overcome the profit spending that we're currently engaged in? The world needs a savior. And the hope is that AI is the savior that we need for productivity.

C (58:03)

I mean, it sounds like they're gambling everything with this strategy, Kevin. Like, this is all you've got, that AI is going to save us.

D (58:10)

Yeah. So, you know, you and I have spoken about, you know, another company I have is an AI company, and basically it helps people call on the phone. If you have a phone business, you know, we're calling a bunch of people. Well, guess what? Every time we place that piece of software in with a company, they get rid of people. It's it. We just had a company get rid of 15 people when we implemented the Conversational Voice AI into their company. So, yes. Is it more productive? 100%. The company absolutely loves it. Cost them $20,000 a month, and they just got rid of 15 people at $5,000 each. That was a great investment. It was way more productive. It has better connection rates and all the other kinds of things. But I just got rid of 15 people. What are those 15 people going to do? So, yes, productivity is going to go up and unemployment is going to go up at the same time, and then I have to figure out what I'm going to do with those people. So is it a universal income that we have to go to to support those people that used to be making $100,000 a year, and we're going to give them $2,500 a month to live? It doesn't make any sense. It's like the broken window theory, you know, hey, if you want a better economy, let's go break some windows and Then somebody's got to fix them. So we made the economy better. Yeah, but somebody had to take it out of their savings to do it. Right. So, you know, Hurricane Katrina wasn't a net positive. It was. But for people's savings and the banks and other people, that was not. Or insurance companies. So I just can't wrap my arms around. He's a very smart guy and I think he's 100% correct. We are at the edge of a cliff. I feel like it's Wiley Coyote, right? He runs off the end of the cliff and he's just standing, sitting there for a second, looking around like, oh, my God, I'm off. I'm off the cliff. And then it starts to fall and there's nothing we can do about it. And I don't think AI can fix it.

C (59:56)

I don't either. I mean, I use AI in part, and I'm not like a, you know, I have my skepticism about AI and it's merging with biology, you know, which I know that they're trying to push, you know, so that we can just like outsource all of our thoughts.

A (60:08)

Thoughts.

C (60:08)

We don't really have to have any cognitive, any agency over our thoughts anymore. Like, that part bothers me. But like, efficiency in businesses, like, I'm all for that. I don't have a problem with that at all. But how is that going to save us? It makes zero sense to me. I just can't wrap my head around it.

D (60:25)

And when you look, if the government became more efficient, maybe that would be a gigantic help, but I don't know.

C (60:32)

Yeah, maybe if we could implement AI inside the government, maybe DOGE could actually put that inside the government who eliminate, you know, all of these crazy jobs that are just sitting there doing nothing. I mean, we've seen that. We saw that with DOGE already eliminating all these USAID jobs and all of this fake money printing was going, you know, it's a massive money laundering operation is what it is. Congressman Tim Burchett just came out and said there's trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and abuse that he's now uncovered in the past 24 hours. That's unbelievable. So we could probably turn our economy around just by using AI somehow in the government more efficiently. I don't know. But no one's going to do that because they are on a road to ruin. And they think this sort of wartime economy, to your point about the broken window theory, is the way to fix things. Right. It's like keep us in a perpetual state of War. Because then we have Americans making tanks and missiles and drones and we're feeding this, like, war machine. So we need an enemy. So we've got a. You know, our enemy's gotta be Iran, it's gotta be Russia, it's gotta be China. And it keeps us in this perpetual state of money printing that's going to these defense contractors while we have a $1.5 trillion defense budget and the US dollar collapses. It's just unsustainable. I don't see how people don't understand this. Ron Paul sees it. He's been calling it. He said, we are on the verge of a disaster, of a depression in the United States, the likes of which we've never seen before. Do you agree with him?

D (61:57)

Yeah, I do. Because the war you're talking about is real war. And the war we used to battle against prior to this early in US History was, hey, how do we fix the roads, how do we fix bridges? You know, things in infrastructure, things that were beneficial to grow the economy. Right. We needed to get trucks and trains and, you know, all those product produce, you know, back and forth. And now it's like, hey, look, forget the roads, forget the bridges that need repairing. We're going to go out and create a war so that we have the greatest war machine in history. Other countries have tried it. Not one has actually made it. Right. You're talking about Rome. No one's made it. No one's spent the money and just taken over the world. And we're not going to either. So we need to make the war about better education, better roads, better systems. Yeah, let's. Let's be the world's greatest in AI and see if productivity can go up. But we need to. We need to bring that money back into the United States and take care of the American people instead of worrying about what's happening over in some of the other countries. My personal opinion, I mean, some of it we have to take care of because countries can't take care of themselves. But, you know, we have to get this deficit under control because currencies don't die suddenly, Clayton. They die quietly through debt dilution and loss of trust. And, you know, I'll plug gold and silver here, but gold and silver exist at the moment people finally notice what's going on. And that time is right now. If people want to know why gold and silver have gone from a couple of thousand dollars an ounce on the gold of $5,200 today and $30 on silver and $100 to silver, it's because of deficits and debt. And if that doesn't change, gold and silver are going to. We're going to be looking at the value of a dollar based on what it is in gold and silver because nobody will want the dollar anymore. I mean, if you go back to. If you go back to Germany, there's a great cartoon where a guy has a wheelbarrow full of money and he went into a store to go buy a loaf of bread and when he came out to grab the money, the money was sitting there and the wheelbarrow was gone. Nobody wanted the money.

C (64:07)

Right? The Deutsche marks. Exactly. No one wanted them. I think it was, what, 19, 19 when they had. Or right around there when they had their, Their currency collapse. Yeah, it was an absolute, absolute disaster.

D (64:18)

Yeah. And you just see it over and over and, you know, I just feel like we're headed down that path. And it's hard to believe that we're headed down that path, but we are. And when you look at the indicator, great indicator, because it's just the opposite of. If they weren't printing money, gold and silver would be very low. It's. You, you print up a currency and the, and the central banks around the world, I just can't. They're voting. Think of central banks voting. They're voting that the Treasuries and the US Dollar are going to be worth less and gold's going to be worth more.

C (64:51)

It seems to be a tipping point moment, right? Because, I mean, the last, you know, you and I speak every few months or so, I like to check in on what's going on with the economy. And there seemed an. There was a growing awareness like, oh, I should definitely own some gold. I should probably start thinking about silver. I should probably start. Maybe. I've been saying it for years on this show. Please, please, please do not tie your family's future to the US Dollar. Like, unless you want to have nothing one day you're going to wake up. And that value of that US dollar, your kids, you know, college fund, your retirement savings. Please, please, you know, you know, buy some precious metals as a hedge against this. And it's. I always say it's great that it'll go up in value. Like gold has gone up in value. That's great. But that's not why I buy gold. That's not why I buy silver. That it's going up a little bit or it went up 50% or, you know, that's great. I'm doing it because I just want to protect my family. Because it's precious metals have sustained for 5,000 years. So I want to have that same kind of bet against these currencies. I mean, I don't know, but do you think we're at this tipping point moment now? There seems to be a huge like average people, normies I guess you could call them, are like talking about gold and silver.

D (66:03)

Yeah, it's, it'll look, it's all over the news, so you almost can't miss it and you have to scratch your head and wonder why it's happening. And I think that's the big story that people are asking, why is this happening? It's very simple. There is a 98% correlation. We have it in a special report that we just put out a 98% correlation of the price of gold to the debt of the United States. 98%.

G (66:28)

Wow.

D (66:29)

So if you believe the government is not going to print any more money, then don't own any gold and silver. If you believe that that printing is going to continue, you might want to own gold and silver because it can't be printed. Gold grows about 1 1/2% per year. It has for a thousand years. You know, the easy to get gold was on the top of the ground when you know, you couldn't dig very deep a thousand years ago. We're having to dig very deep to try to go and get some gold. So it just comes out of the ground at about a percent and a half per year. Well, the economy grows at 2 and a half or 3% per year. The money supply grows at 6 or 7% per year. And so you've got this. What, what happens when you put an increased demand on a fixed supply? Because that's basically what it is. When it's growing at 1 and a half percent, the prices are going to go up. So you're printing too fast and the thing that you can't print is going to go up in value. And that's what you're really talking about. How do I protect my purchasing power and retirement and children's education and things like that.

C (67:30)

Also just kind of looking ahead here, Kevin, and I won't keep you too much longer, but the Fed decision in January and if you're looking at like poly market numbers, that's one thing. But if you're also looking at the Fed watchers numbers, I mean they're seeing either a 50 basis points decrease or so right now it looks like, yeah, it looks like the odds are for perhaps either a fifth, definitely a rate that a rate decrease in January 50 basis points, 25 basis points. And as you know, that's further indication of what Trump has been calling for, which is devaluing the US Dollar on purpose.

D (68:07)

Yeah, yeah. You lower interest rates right now and you've got a little bit of a head scratcher if you're an economist, because why, why are you doing it? Inflation is still a little bit too high, the economy's doing okay and you're going to lower interest rates, which is going to devalue the dollar and going to push gold and silver up even more. Right. You're, and, and quite frankly, Clayton, you know, people say yeah, but if they lower the interest rates 50 basis points, my mortgage is going to go down. I don't think so. No, those two are not related. If the Fed lowers interest rates and, and the market says, hey, interest rates are still going to be high, then the banks don't want to sit here and have a 5% mortgage with inflation running at 6%. You're, they're literally paying you a point to own your home. Right. So I just don't think you're going to get the decrease in interest rates in the places that people believe it's going to happen because the market is not saying that today. It's saying that inflation's still a little bit high, the value of the dollar is going to go down. So I don't think you're going to get much out of it.

C (69:10)

Yeah, mortgage rates, 30 year fixed rate right now still over 6%. So I don't think people are having a pipe dream about that. But flashing red right now, a lot of trouble level on the horizon which is why I'm such a big proponent of owning gold and silver. And again, you guys from, we have it in fact in our children's IRAs structured that way as well. So, but, and I, I think it, we should, we should tell people, right. I mean we could expect some volatility here, right. With owning. It's not like, it's just like a nice steady staircase up, up, up. Like when I own, if I own precious metals for me and my family, it's for the long haul. It's, I'm not selling it tomorrow.

D (69:49)

Yeah. I would say that the run up that we've had, expect some volatility. So if you own precious metals right now and you're a short term trader, you know, might be a good idea for you to get out. But if you're thinking longer term and you, you're holding for your retirement, children's education, all those kinds of things. You believe the government's going to keep printing money. I would be a holder even though it came down. So you know, my best example that I give people is in 2008 you saw the real estate crash and the price of gold went from $1,150 to $680. That took a month. If you look two years later, the price of gold was $2,000 an ounce. So I think you're going to get 20 or 30% pullbacks in precious metals. Don't panic. All the fundamentals are there to take it much higher than where we are today. If the deficit and debt is going to continue to increase, and I believe that it is, I think the dollar probably is going to continue to get sold. It has for the last three years on international basis from central banks and they've been replacing that with gold. All of the fundamentals are still there. For gold and silver to go higher, I would expect silver at 150, $160 an ounce. So if it pulls back to 70 or 80 and then goes there, don't miss out because it's very hard to sell and then get back in at the right time. It's better just to hold, let it run its course. And I would also say that in 2026 I would expect some sort of small recession or even a larger one. But any kind of small recession would pull metals back and then start to make them go a little bit higher. So via be a long term holder, even at today's price, I'm still buying, I'm still cost averaging right now because I believe the silver and gold will, will be much higher.

C (71:29)

You know, and I should just say before we let you go, which is, you know, I always say it's time in the market, not trying to time the market. Like if you're a day, you know, if you're a day trader, fine, great. You've got eight monitors, computer monitors and you're sitting there with your algorithms. That's great. But for me, whether it's real estate or precious metals, it's the amount of time you spend in the market, not trying to time it and trying to stay in long term. That's always been my philosophy and it's done me well for 49 years. But you have a new report out and if people want to work with you guys and give you guys a call, I just want to promote you guys. You guys are so fantastic. Just go to learn and they can connect with you. But you guys have a new special report out about Precious metals right now.

D (72:11)

Yeah, we just put that special report out about two months ago with 100 silver. And, and really, if you read that report, it was talking about 150. Our conservative bet was a hundred. And we just come out with a new report with 150. The reasons why, what's driving the silver market, what's driving the gold market, what we believe is going to happen with interest rates and the dollar. So we go through all of it and then everybody can kind of get that and figure out, you know, hey, is this something that I would like to have in my portfolio? And then, as always, for your program only we have the 500 credit. So if they go to the website or they call the 800 number, then we automatically place a credit for 500 into the account. They can use that for the physical gold to be shipped to them, a depository or even use it for their IRA fees. So it's automatically placed into the account. They can use it for whatever they would like other than purchasing gold. But all the shipping and handling and all those other kinds of things, we cover a forum.

C (73:06)

Awesome. So, yeah, let's put this up on the screen. If people want to call you guys, and you're an American company, you don't outsource it to India. You guys actually get on the phone and talk to people and just have a conversation with them, and it's no pressure at all. In fact, my whole family has called you guys, and they're all, they're all customers. So 1-800-613-35567. They can jump on the phone with your team and have a conversation with you guys and ask about that 500 credit, by the way, too. So. All right. Man, what a year. This is going to be an absolutely crazy year. Kevin. Are you guys, are you guys ready for it? I bet your phones are just ringing off the hook over there.

D (73:41)

Yeah, it's been busy since the middle of December and, and got real busy when Silver kind of went over a hundred. So, yeah, we're ready for it. I, I think there's a lot of exciting things for the market. Unfortunately, those exciting things sometimes aren't that exciting for other parts of the economy and the dollar. But, hey, we're here to try to help people get prepared for it.

C (74:00)

Yeah. Great stuff. Kevin. Great to see you. Thanks so much.

D (74:03)

You bet. Thanks for having me.

C (74:05)

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