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Clayton Morris
Welcome everyone to Redacted on this Wednesday. I'm Clayton Morris.
Natalie Morris
I'm here too. I'm Natalie Morris.
Clayton Morris
Good to see all of you guys. And we have a busy show for you on this Wednesday. A big beautiful spending bill set to be voted on in Congress. Big beautiful and massive debt bomb that's about to go off in Washington. Why have all these conservatives suddenly forgotten their conservative values? Congressman Thomas Massie is going to join us in. Mom wants to talk about that.
Natalie Morris
Plus we're going to talk about the war with Iran because it seems that Israel's going ahead with it whether the United States wants it or not. Are they lying to us? Does the United States want it but want to pretend that they don't? It sure seems that way. Plus we want to talk about conservative voices or anti war voices rather that are being suppressed as this war ratchets up, including redacted. Now we're pretty sure that we're seeing anyone who's willing to speak out against this war downranked. We would love to have a discussion with you about it. Have you seen that happen? Have you seen other voices that are speaking out about. Because there is prologue for this. We had that happen during the war with Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the war in Vietnam. It's happening. We're here. This is our time, you guys, to mobilize and discuss it.
Clayton Morris
We're also going to be talking about Maui as a follow up story and we've been looking and spending quite a bit of time doing research on what has actually happened with Maui. It's almost two years ago, if you can believe that since the Maui wildfires devastated Lahaina and surrounding areas. Well, where do things stand now nearly two years later? I mean August encroaching upon us when that would be the two year anniversary. But we're going to deep dive this. Going to talk about directed energy weapons. We're going to talk about the real estate market there. All of it is coming up on today's show.
Natalie Morris
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Clayton Morris
This is. I mean, what's changed here? What's changed? You know, oh, 60% enrichment was fine. Then it's 0% is fine. Like, they keep moving the goalpost here, right?
Natalie Morris
Then 3% is fine. And even the Trump administration, administration had said, we want Iran to be prosperous. Affordable energy is the way to prosperity. We want them to have that. Israel said, absolutely not. And then the United States said, we. We don't want that. We never said that. We don't mean that. We never said that. So, okay, we're studying, we're following. Why. Why has the football been moved?
Clayton Morris
Okay, it's goal posts.
Natalie Morris
Obama used to always say, you're moving the football.
Clayton Morris
Like, no, you're moving the goal posts.
Natalie Morris
That is. This is also a thing from Charlie Brown. Oh, I guess you're moving the football.
Clayton Morris
You're tricking people. You pull the football. All right, I get it. Yeah. But I think moving.
Natalie Morris
Proper use of idioms.
Clayton Morris
Okay.
Natalie Morris
It comes from Charlie Brown.
Clayton Morris
We joke that Natalie can never get an idiom correct. Like an apple a day.
Natalie Morris
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Do you know what that one is?
Natalie Morris
I do. Keeps the doctor away.
Clayton Morris
Wow. It's really good.
Natalie Morris
This one last night, we taught our kids. They'd never heard it. We want a pitcher, not a belly itcher. Right. They didn't know this. I guess kids these days don't say that like foster boys. You knew it.
Clayton Morris
That's not an idiom. That's just like a basic.
Philip
Oh, 100%.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, yeah.
Clayton Morris
No, but. So they're moving the goalpost repeatedly. And they're also pulling a Charlie Brown. Lucy. Pulling the football from Charlie Brown.
Natalie Morris
That's exactly where I was going. I'm glad you're following me. Okay, audience, are you. I hope you are. I'm trying to be clear. And if I'm not, I own that. So why? Who here is acting in good faith? Is it us? Usually it's not. It doesn't feel like it is. Given we were fairly encouraged that the United States was working in good faith with Iran, wanting the best for them, not lying about a nuclear weapon. How did this happen? Or is it Israel's wish list for that war and our secret foreign policy goals? Now, this is the way CNN reports it, that the heightened worry stems from the public and private messaging from senior Israeli officials. I'm sorry, I cut off that screenshot. That's on me. What it's saying here is we're spying on them, that we know what their private messaging is. We've seen it. They want this. And why not? They spy on us, I guess. Are we all cool with that? That would be an international scandal, right. If we were paying attention. And they seem to be prepping for a war with Iran with the weapons that we send them. So why would Israel thwart the US Peace deal? To sabotage that deal, is what CNN is reporting. This source, unnamed source, says it's more likely that they strike to try and get the American deal to fall apart because they're saying it will be a bad deal. So either the US Is doing Israel's bidding or Israel is trying to sabotage U.S. negotiations.
Clayton Morris
Or.
Natalie Morris
Or here's the third option from former U.S. marine Brian Burletich and the New Atlas YouTube channel. If you haven't seen his channel, it's fantastic. As he puts it, there is no daylight between the US And Israel and there is no daylight between the Trump and Biden administration. This was always the plan all along. We are being yanked by the chain to believe that there is really anyone working against it. So what do you think? Is this all a charade to pretend we can have plausible deniability that we didn't want this war with Iran all along. Is the spirit of John McCain, who wanted this so badly, still calling the shots? What do you think?
Clayton Morris
Well, yeah, the spirit of John McCain who famously sang a song on stage about bomb Iran, bomb Iran, bomb, bomb Iran. And we're like, he really? Absolutely. And then you have warmongers like Lindsey Graham and others in Congress who are still actively pushing for this to happen, using whatever sort of stories and narratives, deep state narratives that they can, to come up with that. Remember, the Iranian mothership was off the coast of the United States ready to bomb us right before President Trump took office. So there was an Iranian mothership right there. Oh, there was an attack in London from Iranians. It was all tied to Iran, once again. So you hear these narratives all around Europe.
Natalie Morris
Oh, but don't forget, Iran also tried to assassinate President Trump.
Clayton Morris
Yeah.
Natalie Morris
Even though he was on the campaign.
Clayton Morris
Roger Stone called BS on that from the very beginning that that was another deep state ploy to drag us into a war with Iran. So people in the chat room are pointing out, they're like, you know, President Trump seems to, like, you know, change with the wind on this. And it's like, who? I don't know. Whoever has him last in the room has a conversation with him, that's who, and he just sort of changes with the wind. So we're at 60% enriched uranium, then at zero, and we just keep moving things around.
Natalie Morris
Right. I mean, I feel like that's a little condescending to say that he doesn't have his own foreign policy that's consistent and that is how people report that whoever had his ear last is where he goes. Surely he has some idea about either wanting or not wanting a war with Iran. But is it going to keep us safe? Is it put in? I really don't know, because, again, it's whatever the way the wind blows right now, the way Israel says. And so we can't. We're studying this. We're following you. You're a windsock.
Clayton Morris
Well, yeah, that's a good way to put it. And we know internally, I mean, we know sources here at Redacted know that there are people surrounding President Trump who actively do not want a war with Iran. J.D. vance, specifically, are those voices strong enough to prevent this from happening, to not do Israel's bidding and moving us towards a, you know, massively damaging war for the United States? Remember, we have 50,000American troops that are stationed in that region right now. We've had multiple experts on the show pointing out that they would be sitting ducks, that they're not actual military bases, and many of them are like small outposts. They don't have the ability to stop any sort of hypersonic weapons or anything for that matter. I mean, very minimal protection for these 50,000Americans. Why the hell are we there. Why the hell are we involving ourselves with this? We need to get out of that space, Right?
Natalie Morris
And I want to talk about this because as this continues to heat up, the war in Gaza is horrid. I think there's no one who can deny that Israel wants.
Clayton Morris
There are plenty of people that can deny that.
Natalie Morris
They can deny it on the basis that they deserve it, but no one's denying that civilians are being killed in horrific ways. Now, as this happens, we are fairly certain here at Redacted that anti war voices are being shadow banned, including us. Now we notice what our livestreams look like. We were watching the amount of people that are allowed to watch our videos. If we put Israel and Iran in the title, we suffer. And we can tell that now is it because. And please ring in. Are you too tired of war? Are you? Do you have war fatigue from the war in Ukraine that you just can't follow another one? Or do you think something else is at work? We would really benefit from knowing because we're watching this research. We're trying to see are people being downranked and shadow banned? Well, past is prologue for this. We should be able to see this clearly now. Since 2003, we've had this pivotal study showing how the media was suppressing the anti war narrative around the war in Iraq. This was a study that found that 64% of sources on major networks were pro war, only 10% were anti war. And among US sources, even worse, 3% were anti war, resulting in a 25 to 1 ratio favoring pro war voices over anti war. Now, back then we did not have independent journalists with big channels. We did not have influencers to tell a different story. But now that we do, we see those voices being shadow banned. And we've noticed that on our channel. Now, we've been through this before. In 2021, when the war broke out in Ukraine, we were given a channel strike for reporting what the Ukrainian army had been doing to the people of the Donbas region for over a decade. We've seen this, right? We notice this now with other influencers who speak out on behalf of starving civilians in Gaza. Here's just one example that I saw today, Elvin Kilgore. He said, in the past few months, I get hundreds of thousands of likes or interactions. Now he's struggling with just 10 likes on a post daily. So something has to be switched. He's appealing to Elon Musk, but Musk is decidedly pro Israel and has been suspiciously quiet on X about politics lately. He says he's sort of ramping down his political voice. But censorship seems, or shadow banning seems to be happening, if you ask me. Now we can argue about the word genocide. That hardly matters at this point. What is not in dispute is that Israel is causing innocent civilians to starve and die horrific deaths. And right wing politicians in Israel are mad that just this week Israel is claiming to have let even a nominal amount of aid into Gaza. Here is National Security Minister on Tuesday saying that these aid trucks are a grave mistake that delays our victory. Because, I mean, if someone's already starving, they're almost dead. Now you're gonna give them food, you're gonna prolong that death? Come on.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, I mean, keep them alive a little bit longer. That's taking away your game plan.
Natalie Morris
He says that there is no way to ensure that food won't in the hands of Hamas murderers. Question. If you pretend that you love your hostages and they are in the hands of Hamas, do you want them to starve? Is that collateral damage? Because you're saying you're doing this to get the hostages back, but then you're knowingly starving your own hostages. What's the logic in that? Clayton, do you.
Clayton Morris
I don't. There is no logic in this.
Natalie Morris
Okay, more proof, I think, that they don't care about the hostages. Now here's Israel saying they are letting aid into Gaza and making sure that it doesn't get to Hamas. But this is a total canard. Palestinian American journalist Ramsey Baroud explained this to us on Redacted just a few weeks ago. He says Hamas is not like a group of bad guys. It is a political ideology for many Palestinians. You can't kill all Republicans in the United States and then have that ideal die. Listen to how he put it.
Dane Wigginton
Gaza is a different story. Hamas is Gaza and Gaza is Hamas. You have a society that is so well connected, you can't even decide. My family has representation from all sorts of political backgrounds. My family is mostly communist and socialist. But you also have your Fatah and your Hamas and your everybody. It's not the kind of thing you would say. Two of the brothers stay in Gaza and the other two brothers would leave Gaza. It makes no sense. Netanyahu knows this, but he is trying to increase the ceiling of the demands to make it appear as if it's the Palestinians who are delaying the process of a final ceasefire that would allow Palestinians to receive, finally some respite, some food, some electricity, some water, you know, gas for their cars, you know, material for reconstruction of Gaza. So he's using this as a tactic. But in actuality, there can be no scenario, imaginable scenario, in which Hamas or any other Palestinian group will leave Gaza. It's just not gonna happen.
Natalie Morris
Okay, so what, what the response is, the Israeli responses when you speak out on behalf of this horrific situation for civilians is no, you need to still be mad about October 7th, which gives us the license to keep going. So if you speak on behalf of civilians who are suffering today, you need to still be mad about October 7th under the assumption that everything began on October 7th. Now, we've covered this at length, that on October 7th, Israel had 5,000 Palestinians, Palestinian prisoners, many of them held without cause, many of them women and children, most of them subject to beating and sexual assault. You can't care about them. You can only care about the people who died and were harmed and captured on October 7th. You're not supposed to value lives equally. Full stop. In fact, Israel is saying that if you are not only outraged about October 7th, that's blood libel. Here they are speaking out against Tom Fletcher, the head of the United nations, who keeps saying, we need to rescue these people, we need to give them aid, which means, again, we are supposed to look the other way when civilians are killed because we're mad about October 7th. We are mad about October 7th. We Are Sad about those deaths equally as the deaths that continue. The only reasonable human reaction is to want deaths to stop now. Now they are attacking the utmost peace voices, including Julian Assange. Assange wore this shirt to an event in Cannes this week with the names of of almost 5,000 Palestinian children under five killed since 2023 by the Israeli government. Now they're saying he's a Hamas supporter. I'm sorry, but I'd like to remind you that he was persecuted for showing how the United States, with Israel, went into bloody and pointless wars in the Middle East. This has always been his position. This is not new. Oh, and the Pope. The Pope is now an anti Semite for posting this, that the situation in Gaza is worrying and painful. Here are all the comments saying, why aren't you talking about the hostages? What about Palestinians or what about Israelis? Well, he's not talking about any race of people. He's talking about all who are suffering, which we can assume does include the hostage. So to my mind, when they attack Assange and the peaceful message of the Pope, you know where this is leading. You know where anti war voices are headed. So let us know. Are you seeing this? Are you engaged with this? Do you see the shadow banning of pro of Anti pro peace, I'm sorry of anti war voices because we are increasingly panicked about the fact that we will not be able to reach our audience with this because this is what's happening. Let us know if we are on the mark.
Clayton Morris
Friend of the show, Tucker Carlson mentioned this just the other day. His big concern is that because if you're speaking out against this, if you are actively engaged in trying to prevent wars, that this is. They're going to shut this down. They're going to shut down the ability for us to have this type of speech and a lot of people in the chat room and like Kevin Daniels says, redacted is only for non wars, not on any side. Yet we're vehemently anti war and anti war voices are completely marginalized on these independent platforms. I hope maybe members of Congress. I would love for members of Congress to haul people up from YouTube in front of them and ask how are they actively shadow banning independent voices who are speaking out against these topics. If only we had a Congressman we could speak to about all of these issues. But he's busy with other stuff right now. But we will in just moments talk with Congressman Thomas Massie about that big beautiful spending bill. That's how it's being portrayed right now. The amount of spending in Washington D.C. could it sink the United States of America? The debt time bomb that we're sitting on right now, $36 trillion in debt. And Congress wants, wants to spend. Congress wants to spend more. Really? Is this what we voted for? We're going to talk about that and so much more.
Natalie Morris
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Clayton Morris
Well, many conservatives, or RINOs seem to forget that they're conservative. Whenever Congress is set to vote on a big spending bill. Whoops. My conservative values just seem to go right out the window. Congress is inches away right now from voting on President Trump's big beautiful spending bill. The Wall Street Journal has basically called this debt bill a debt time bomb that could crush the United States. Senator Ron Johnson just told the ugly truth about the bill. He criticized the bill for exacerbating the national debt and ignoring the looming entitlement bomb. Congressman Thomas Massie has never forgotten his conservative values, even in the face of immense pressure from rhinos and neocons. Massie tweeted this. The big beautiful bill will add 20 trillion of federal debt over 10 years. And that's according to the authors of the bill. Massie also posted this meme showing exactly how MAGA folks feel about it. MAGA staring at one beautiful bill with no more omnibus bills, being the old girlfriend on the right. That sums it up perfectly. Congressman Thomas Massie joins us Today from Washington, D.C. congressman, great to see you. How bad will this be for the United States of America, this spending bill?
Congressman Thomas Massie
It's going to be bad. And we're already seeing what's going to happen. There was an auction on 20 year treasury bonds here in the last few hours and the federal government's now going to have to pay 5.1% on 20 year debt. The day before it was at 5% for 30 year debt and 4 1/2% for 10 year debt. Look, the only reason we're already not swimming in interest payments right now, that that would equal $4,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States every day, is because some of our debt is locked in to the old rates. You know, the good old days where we had 2%. But this is. The markets are responding to the big beautiful bill. Look, they're not going to wait for this thing to pass. They're watching the whip count. They know this thing is greased and it's about to go get through Congress. And so they're putting their money where their bets are. They're making their bets. And what we have the Republicans telling other Republicans here is, oh, this thing is deficit neutral. Well, guess what's going to happen in the big beautiful bill. All of the things that cost money, that increase the deficit happen in the first five years and the savings come in the next five years. Let me give you an example. Work requirements for Medicaid. Those don't kick in for several years. And even when they do, they're pretty much fake. You can get out of work by saying you're taking some kind of training. Let me give you another example. All the Green New Deal, which was relabeled, the Inflation Reduction Act, a lot of those subsidies are still going to remain after the big, beautiful bill passes. It should have been just to knock the ball off the tee, just to take out the Green New Deal subsidies. But no, there are so many corporate lobbyists up here who have started planning to build factories and in some cases started building factories, they want their subsidies to continue. So what the Republicans are doing in the big, beautiful bill is they're cutting subsidies. They're cutting the tax credits and subsidies. If you want to buy solar panels and put them on your house, but they're not cutting them for the corporations if they want to buy solar panels, or if you want solar panels on your house, you can get the tax credit. You just can't own the solar panels. You got to go get them through a company. It's bad tax policy. And the worst of the tax policy is the handout to the blue state governors, New York, California and Illinois. This is something called salt tax. I got to give Trump credit in 2017, the original tax Cut and Jobs act, which had the tax cuts that the big, beautiful bill would extend. And I'm in favor of extending those tax cuts. But that tax plan in 2017 reduced the amount of local taxes that you could write off on your federal taxes to $10,000. Well, this bill is going to undo the best tax policy that Trump put in place back then by raising that deduction to $40,000. This is for people who own million or $2 million houses in New York, and they're paying a lot of property tax. This big, beautiful bill is a handout, and it's going to cost everybody else in the red states where the governors don't raise the taxes. It's going to cost about $350 billion to give that handout to these blue states.
Natalie Morris
Goodness. Okay. So I'm very suspicious about the timing about this, because we all got collectively riled up about Doge, like, ooh, they're cutting that, they're cutting that. I like this. Okay. It feels good. Feels good, right? And so it feels like we were built up to think, okay, now the government has saved all kinds of money. Now we can spend on priorities. And Elon Musk, he's done. He's got Tesla to worry about. He's gone. He's gonna step back. Does it feel like a ruse to you? Because it was like we saved $5 and now here's a new $10,000 credit card bill.
Congressman Thomas Massie
You know, it started feeling like a ruse to me back when Republicans and they got the President to go along with this, put a continuing resolution on the floor. And basically that's when you do an appropriations bill, but Instead of writing 12 separate bills, you just say, you know what, let's just do what we did last year. We'll cut, copy paste that spreadsheet into this year's spreadsheet. Well, guess what? But last year's spreadsheet was Joe Biden's spending. They copied all of Joe Biden's spending into Trump's first year with that continuing resolution. I was the only Republican to vote against it because I said spending is policy. When you spend the money, those are the, you're directing the government to do things. And so the only consolation I had, Natalie, was, well, we could do rescissions. We could, we could say we're going to spend this money and we could pass a law to spend this money, but we could go back and claw that money back with this process called rescissions that only requires 51 votes in the Senate. Here's the problem. We haven't done any rescissions. And by the way, this is, rescissions aren't like the big beautiful bill, which is another R word called reconciliation. You can only do that once or maybe twice a year. You can do reconciliation rescissions. Because we could vote on a rescission every day if we wanted to, but we haven't brought the first rescission to the floor. Now Speaker Johnson is blaming the White House. They're doing this quietly. He's saying, well, they haven't requested the rescissions and we're waiting for the request. And it's true enough, he needs a request, but I kind of think he's telling the White House, don't send me the request because that starts a 45 day clock where I have to vote on these rescissions. And you know, when we dig into this, when we ask people at the White House what's really going on, they say, well, we're trying to get past the big beautiful bill and then we'll do the rescissions because we don't want to spend any political capital on these rescissions now, well, what's the political capital you're spending? Cutting usaid again, that should be T ball, put it on the tee, knock it off with A bat run to first base and jump up and down. It should be that easy.
Clayton Morris
It should be that easy. People in the chat room are pointing out. And by the way, ask your questions to Congressman Massie. We're live in front of thousands of people right now. Gualapago says you guys are meaning us, I think, not you. You're mischaracterizing. Doge Musk did good. Republicans didn't want to cut the costs. So it's the do nothing Republicans. Is that fair?
Congressman Thomas Massie
Oh, that's fair. I mean, it's not the do nothing Republicans. The money that Doge found was money that Republicans were spending. So when I was standing at the State of the Union and the president, you know, Elon Musk, I'm a big fan. I drive a Tesla, all that. I use Starlink, you know, he was in the crowd. He was up there in the position of honor. And the president's naming some of the things that Doge had already founded that they were going to cut. And my colleagues stand up and start clapping. And I'm thinking, wait, you're the chairs of the Committee of Jurisdiction that spent this money. You are clapping that. You should be embarrassed. You should, like, pull your suit up over your head and pretend you're not even there, because this is shame. And it was all a ruse. They don't want to vote on that. I think there's some reporters that have exposed how some of this USAID money, actually, that goes to NGOs, starts flowing back to organizations where you have members of the House and the Senate who are on the boards of these organizations is starting to expose things. And so my hat's off to Elon Musk and all the Doge folks who found that. But what you have is when Trump tries not to spend the money that Doge found, the courts say, well, wait, you've already signed a law that says you're going to spend the money. And so the courts tie up Trump. And this would be a problem if we didn't control the House and the Senate or if it took 60 votes in the Senate to claw this money back. But neither of those two things are true. It only takes 51 votes in the Senate, and we control the House and the Senate. We should be doing these as frequently as we name post offices up here.
Natalie Morris
Now, I think the rest of us are watching this palace intrigue. Like, ooh, Massey and Trump, they're not aligned. But surely you do have a personal relationship with President Trump that's not contentious like this in public. And what do you think he actually thinks of being held his feet to the fire, so to speak? Do you think that he just really something that I've been wondering is, you know, he told us, expect a little pain while we adjust the market perversions. And maybe he lost his appetite for it, or maybe it's just, you know, it's too scary to do.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Well. You know, he came after me again yesterday on his way to the GOP meeting. He stopped at a media scrum, and they ask him, what about Thomas Messi's claims that you're adding to the deficit? And rather than answer the question, he attacked me, which is fine. He's a bull in a china shop. And if a few of my, you know, glasses and cups and dishes get broken, that's fine. You know, I can deal with that. I've got a thick skin. But he camehe came to the GOP meeting. He asked if I was in the room, and I raised my hand and looked him in the eye, and he said, oh, hey, there he is. There's Massie. And he said, he's like Rand Paul. They're both from Kentucky. They both vote no on on all this stuff, and they both have the same hair. And then he said, but I like Massey's hair better. So, you know, it wasn't like a shouting match or anything. And he and I have had several good conversations on the phone in the past. I think a lot of what he is doing is part of the whip effort to not to change my vote, but to try to get the other members of Congress who are thinking about speaking truth to power like I am. He's trying to get him to think twice about it, in other words, to just sort of go along and rubber stamp this. And there are things, for instance, that Trump said in our meeting yesterday that don't jibe with this bill. And so we go to Mike Johnson and say, what gives? For instance, Trump says, get rid of all the Green New Deal, take it all out. But the reality is they're not taking it out. They're leaving, you know, probably half of it in there. And the stuff they're cutting doesn't get cut for another four years. Again, that that basically creates job security for the Green New Deal lobbyists who have four years to come up here and lobby members of Congress and show them all these projects in their district that are benefiting from this Green New Deal spending that they don't want to cut, and they'll probably get those subsidies renewed before they run out. And that's the problem.
Clayton Morris
Coles Towing in our chat room says, Thomas Massie, you're one of the good ones. Keep it up. We support you, Congressman. I'll get you out of here on this. Well, two questions, really. You know, from Kentucky. I want to know what the hell is going on with this Fort Knox audit that we were hearing all about. President Trump was gonna go in there. Elon Musk was gonna live stream it. We're gonna find out how much gold is actually there. Would we actually move towards a gold standard in the United States, once again, shore up the US Dollar? So I wanna ask you about that and then second. And I'll get you out of here on this last question, which is, I mean, how bad is it right now with the US debt in America? $36 trillion. Are we facing a crisis that we can't come back from in the next few years?
Congressman Thomas Massie
Well, I don't know much about what's going on in Fort Knox that is not in my district. But all of America should be concerned about it. It shouldn't have to be that. It's just Kentucky concerned or district concerned. I'm afraid some of those memes that have, you know, like the guardsmen with Krylon paint painting bricks gold may be too close to the truth. And, you know, it's something that will pass an audit. I don't know. There should be transparency. But again, you know, we're not on the gold standard. We've got a fiat currency, and we're losing basically the reserve status of the US dollar by doing all these sanctions. For instance, you know, I know in your segment earlier about Iran, we've sanctioned Iran, we've sanctioned Russia, we've sanctioned some other countries. And what happens when you do that is they quit transacting in US Dollars, they quit holding US dollars in reserve. And so we're losing our status as a world reserve currency by shooting ourselves in the foot. I had a professor at MIT called this ballistic podiatry, which is a fancy way of saying you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're a practitioner of ballistic podiatry. But I think that we are doing that with respect to our reserve status and what that means. Just to get to the second part of your question, when we monetize our debt, in other words, when we print money and try to buy our own securities, because there's nobody at the auctions that want them at the price that we're selling these securities. When we do that, we're actually not just cheating Americans who are holding dollars and transacting in dollars and getting paid their salaries in dollars. We're screwing the rest of the world. We're actually getting a pretty good deal. Everybody that's holding dollars, we're taking money out of their banks through inflation when we do it. That's why the United States, when you say why hasn't this collapsed before? It's because we can do this inflation trick and we can do it to other countries as well. But the music's going to stop on that as fewer and fewer countries hold US Dollars as a reserve. Now, which gets me to your second question, which is how bad is the debt? Okay, we're at 36 trillion. It's actually a lot more than that because we hit the debt limit a few months ago in reality. And so we've been selling things like the postal workers pension fund. Okay. To like, we've been liquidating that. And so what's going to happen when they do raise the debt? Selling. I don't see anybody talking about this. When we, when they raise the debt ceiling inside of this big beautiful bill, they're going to have to unwind all that, which means there's going to be, the government's going to have a voracious appetite for debt. We're going to go out and sell lots of bonds so that we can get that cash and put it back in the postal workers pension fund because we've been running on a reserve tank that we've got to fill back up. That's when I think you're going to see the bond buyers appetite go down even more, which means they're going to demand higher interest rates. So my complaint about the big beautiful bill is not just that using the budget that supports the big beautiful bill is going to add over $20 trillion to our debt in the next 10 years. Some people say, well, you were going to add most of that anyway. Yeah, but the big beautiful bill makes it even worse and it doesn't address the fundamental problems with Medicaid and Medicare. That's not, that's not even. The only problem is that additional debt. We're sending a signal to the markets that we're not serious about our fiscal policy in this country. They're going to demand higher interest rates on the 36 trillion that's already in the bank. And when they do that, you know, that's, we're going to be paying pretty soon 1 1/2 trillion dollars a year of interest to finance the debt. That's $4,000 for every man, woman and child. If you have four people in your family. There you go. $16,000 is what we're talking about. And for what? So that you can get a sixteen hundred dollar tax break from the big beautiful bill. But the government is now going to be obligating you to 16,000 your family to the national debt to the tune of $16,000 a family.
Clayton Morris
So you're telling me there's a chance you can telling me there's nothing good?
Congressman Thomas Massie
Wait, wait, there. No, there are some good things in this and that's why you're going to have so many people vote yes. I mean, you can picture the ads they're going to run against me already, okay? Because there's border security in this bill. I'm for border security. There's what Trump's calling the gold dome. I want to know why the hell the gold dome doesn't already exist. Why are we building domes for other countries to protect them from missiles. Are you telling me we don't have one? So there's, there's money for that in there. You can imagine the ads. There's a small tax break for seniors. It's not the, the no tax on Social Security bill that I have introduced. It's a small tax break for seniors that goes away after three or four years. The same thing about no tax on tips, that's going away in three or four years. They're getting rid of all that in three or four years. That's how they make the funny math work over a 10 year period. They give you all the goodies in the first four to five years and spend all the money. And they say five years later we're going to start getting serious about it. And you can do all the math you want up here in Washington D.C. but the bond markets are going to do their own math. And they're saying the DC math doesn't add up. And I think what's going to happen is the government is going to be tempted to buy our own bonds. And they've done this before. It's the hallmark of a banana republic. But we've started, we did it during COVID And when you start doing that, you've got to print money to do it and you're going to cause inflation and we could end up in stagflation where you have high interest rates and high inflation.
Natalie Morris
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Congressman Thomas Massie, thank you for always fighting the good fight. We appreciate our audience appreciate it. Audience appreciates it always says here Massey's one of the good guys. So man, keep up the good fight. I know you're in the Belly of the beast, as always there in Washington.
Congressman Thomas Massie
I'm sorry I didn't cheer your listeners up probably with any of this, but.
Natalie Morris
Oh, that's okay. But you came with good hair, so we appreciate it.
Clayton Morris
You got good hair. That's good. That's good.
Natalie Morris
It's a good hair day for all.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Three of us from a man who knows good hair, too. Said that.
Clayton Morris
That's right. It's a hairpiece. Congressman Massey, great to see you. Thank you so much as always.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Thank you.
Clayton Morris
All right, coming up here on the show, we're going to talk about whatever happened to Maui. The real estate development deals there will shock you. We're going to look at all of the updates from that state in the state of Hawaii and what actually happened nearly two years after that devastation. We're going to dive into that and directed energy weapons perhaps involved in this. Well, maybe the geoengineering part of it. We'll talk about all of that.
Natalie Morris
I see a comment here that's pissed me off. It said redacted is dumbing down the masses to support Trump. I wonder how you come to that conclusion.
Clayton Morris
No, that's a guy, that's a troll. He just keeps posting the same thing over and over again. Then he changes it and he says to support Zionist Trump. He just keeps posting the same thing over and over again.
Natalie Morris
Okay, are you listening? Because I don't think that we've given the Trump administration a pass for literally.
Clayton Morris
The last three segments we just did on the show. Okay. Are the exact opposite of that. But again, again, don't pay attention to trolls and don't get riled up by them.
Natalie Morris
Okay?
Clayton Morris
Yeah. This is me giving my own advice to myself because I often will do that, too. But I do like this one where they called you out for pronouncing it Tesla instead of Tesla.
Natalie Morris
Stop it. That's how Natalie says it.
Clayton Morris
She always says it. Tesla with a Z.
Philip
Hey, you know, I, I was just watching. I don't remember who it was, but I was just watching something today and the guy that I was watching pronounced it Tesla exactly like Natalie does.
Clayton Morris
So, yeah, as incorrectly as Natalie, I'm.
Natalie Morris
Gonna keep doing that. So that's my accent. I'm like Hilaria Baldwin.
Clayton Morris
Okay?
Natalie Morris
It's my accent. I say the Tesla.
Clayton Morris
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I'm talking about Maui. 102 lives lost, thousands of homes and businesses destroyed. Historic Hawaiian town left in ashes. Who's buying up this land? Where are the families now? And why does it seem like the people who lost everything are being pushed out permanently while developers move in and buy up this land? So today we're pulling the curtain back on the rezoning games that are taking place right now. The land grabs, the permit denials which are in full effect. Yes, even the directed energy weapon theories that just won't go away. Why? The geoengineering, the climate engineering that's maybe mostly responsible for this. Why? Because it's probably true. So let's dig into this. Let's start with the basics. How is the rebuilding going? This is where my research started on this. Well, the short answer is it's not. Almost nothing is being rebuilt. As of a few weeks ago, just A few weeks ago, at the end of April, only eight homes have actually been rebuilt. Meanwhile, 341 permits have been issued for reconstruction. But that's out of the over 2,200 destroyed structures. So why the discrepancy? Hmm, it's interesting. Is it because the people that own those structures have been paid off? Gone. Many of them, yes, gone. Moved away, never coming back. The property numbers astonishing. 300 property owners have been issued permits allowing them to rebuild their houses on the front side of the further from the ocean. Not a single permit though has been granted to anyone with a coastal home that was in the fire zone. Debris has been cleared from over 1500 properties. So they they're ready to go. Builders call that a scrape and build. A scrape and build. One builder I spoke with today told me a scrape and build permit process can take four to six weeks. Four to six weeks. Many of those locals are either living in temporary housing hotels or they've already left the island altogether, never to come back. Just for some context here, I wanted to look at a similar timeline, something that happened at a similar pace and time of the Maui fires. So I decided to look at the Marshall fire near Boulder, Colorado. It happened around Christmas 2021. Destroyed, entire neighborhoods, gone. So how is the rebuilding process going? Great actually. Let's dive into the numbers in Louisville, city of Louisville, approximately 90% of destroyed homes. Now maybe I'm saying this wrong. It might be Louisville because you know, like Louisville, Kentucky, but Louisville, Louisville, 90% of the homes were destroyed and have been rebuilt or are under construction. 90% were destroyed and almost all of them are rebuilt fully. The town of Superior rebuilding permits have been issued for 74% of the destroyed structures. Over half of those rebuilt homes cleared for occupancy now. And the unincorporated area of Boulder county, rebuilding has been slightly slower because you have some big custom homes that were destroyed and but get this, 63% of homes, they have either been fully rebuilt or have received permits to do so. Again, large custom homes on multiple acres in the Boulder region. Totally different from these 60, 70, 80 year old homes in Maui that were small. They were small humble homes. The native population that lived in these homes for decades handed them down from through their family's history and Boulder is almost fully back. Hmm. But this is where it gets interesting. According to the Maui county officials and the mayor's office, they've offered permit exemptions to help homeowners rebuild quickly, but only if those homes aren't too close to the shoreline. That's right, rebuilding inland Mostly allowed rebuilding on oceanfront land. Sorry, blocked. Not gonna happen. Not gonna work here anymore.
Natalie Morris
Anymore.
Clayton Morris
So now let's talk about who owns Maui. Now. In the months after the fire, rumors started swirling that Blackrock and other deep pocketed developers were swooping in to buy the land from desperate families. Of course, we know that BlackRock uses all sorts of subsidiaries, so good luck tracking it back to Blackrock. But the truth is a bit Mercury. Murkier. Murkier than all of that, but it's still pretty troubling. According to a 2024 report from the Civil Beat, land sales around Lahaina jumped significantly in just the first four months of 2024. Some of these were sales to local buyers. Yes. One developer though alone, paid $20 million for a 20 acre parcel near Lahaina. And once you start seeing multi million dollar oceanfront deals going through while residents still can't even get permits to rebuild their homes, then you have to start wondering what's going on here. Was this all just a coincidence or was this a disaster leveraged for mass development? Hmm. Take a look at this. We looked into this $20 million purchase here. I went through it today. You can see this is an 8K filed with the securities and Exchange Commission. Kanapali Land LLC entered into the purchase for the $20 million. And here's the smoking gun. Guys, again. Over 300 property owners on the Moaca side of Front Street. That's the side further inland from the ocean. In other words, the less desirable land from a development perspective. They've been granted permits to rebuild their homes. 300 of them. But guess how many permits have been granted for the oceanfront properties? Zero. Zero. Not one. This is two years after the fire. 348 inland building permits, zero for the coastal properties. So if you live inland, great, you're allowed to start rebuilding with a lot of conditions if you can afford them.
Natalie Morris
By the way, maybe they've been busy, Clayton, because the weather's been nice, been at the beach.
Clayton Morris
But take a look at your screen here. See these green areas here? This is the area. Now this is the prime coastal real estate. Zero rebuilding in these zones that have all been destroyed. And what's the excuse? Well, they say, you know, environmental concerns and in fact, they can rebuild with SMA permits. SMA? Shoreline Area regulations will still apply to parcels located on the McCallay Front Street. But SMA establishes control and developments near the shoreline to protect the coastal zone. Coastal erosion is a worsening problem and 85% of Maui shorelines experiencing long term erosion you need to get that SMA permit. But locals aren't buying it and neither should you. Because what's really happening here is a form of slow motion land seizure. They'll bury you in red tape, stall your permitting process, wear you down until you finally give up. You sell that land, you sell that property. Usually at a massive discount to property developers. Then the developers swoop in, they rezone it, they get the permits, they get everything flipped and taken care of. Sound familiar? It should. It's happened many times before. Now let's address the elephant in the room, the directed energy weapons dews. Sounds crazy, right? Science fiction stuff. Did the government, which has had directed energy weapons, climate manipulation weapons, geoengineering weapons since at least World War II that we know of, did they destroy or manipulate this valuable land on purpose? Well, of course the story gained massive traction in the days after the fire when people started noticing, you know, weird patterns. Right? Cars melted next to untouched trees and structures. Homes burned to the foundation, while plastic trash bins were perfectly fine. Okay. Blue objects mysteriously unscathed. Blue roofs, blue cars. Fine. Cars to umbrellas, to rooftops. Maybe that's all a distraction though, you know, the same, the same kind developed for military use since the 1940s. These climate engineering weapons, these directed energy weapons were used to target specific areas in Lahaina to clear land for future development. Maybe fact checkers, of course, quickly jumped in on this call, this nonsense. They said it's just dry brush, it's hurricane force winds, downed power lines that caused this. The good old fact checker websites, factcheck.org a name you can trust. High winds, drought conditions led to Maui fires. No evidence that it was intentionally set, they said. Hmm. Or the Associated Press, which is a mouthpiece of the intelligence community, received lots of money from usaid. They said nothing to see here. Trees and poles standing, that's normal. Video doesn't show a laser beam. That's just an old explosion from Chile that was used and shared online. But in their debunking, did they actually just confirm that? Yes. Hurricane force winds, dry brush conditions, all of those things were used under climate geoengineering by United States military for a long time. All of this talk of lasers might be a total distraction. No, lasers weren't used. There's no evidence that I found at all of lasers being used there. But in fact, wildfires as a military weapon has been long established. Take a look at this report. Forest fire as a military weapon. 1975's classified report exposing how the US military uses weather Modification and yes, wildfires as a military weapon. Geoengineering. Watch.org you can watch the full report on it. We're gonna have more on this part of the story in a with a special guest in just moments. But let me ask you, why is it always the most valuable land that gets conveniently wiped clean, just like the ones in New Orleans after Katrina? The most valuable riverfront property, homeowners now permanently pushed out, sold off to casinos. Shopping centers now lie in the places where there were hundreds of homes before. All gone. Now. It's very great place to go stroll now with your. Push your strollers around and go shopping. No homes there anymore to deal with. It's really hard to believe that this weather modification. Is it so hard to believe that this weather modification arson or is at the very least a willful act of negligence? Could it be used as a cover for something bigger? We've had the dw, we've had the directed energy whistleblowers on our show who've worked on these projects, who told us right to our faces how the deep state has used these weather modification tools and directed energy weapons to launch earthquakes, destroy entire cities and more, destabilize governments. It works. That's why they use it. Blame it on the weather. In California during the wildfire. Smart meters being used in homes to incinerate homes from the inside out. When other homes on the street were totally untouched. Why did the fire start inside homes? I thought there were wildfires coming over the hills. Why did that house just there burst into flames? Because of a smart energy meter inside the house. That's odd, right? You decide. So let's not forget what else was lost. The Lahaina fire didn't just destroy buildings. It erased history. Native history. Natives who no longer live there. Places like the Waiahola Church founded in the 1800s. The Lahaina Heritage Museum, gone, destroyed Hawaiian families that have lived on this land for generations. As we've well documented over the years on this show. Displaced, forced into hotels, shipped off island, and for what? So the resorts can expand? So foreign investors can turn Lahaina into the next Waikiki? It's not just a land grab. It's a cultural erasure. Two years later, the story of Maui isn't over. But the media has stopped talking about it, of course. And maybe that's the point, because the less we look at it, the more they can get away with. So we're here to keep looking, to ask the uncomfortable questions and to expose those hidden agendas. And we've Got more on this story coming up in moments. We're going to speak with Dane Wigginton, geoengineeringwatch.org specifically on the directed energy weapons section of this and the climate engineering used to destroy Maui. We're going to talk about all of that and more. Any thoughts? Thoughts? Feelings?
Natalie Morris
Well, lots.
Philip
Yeah, that.
Natalie Morris
More questions than anything. Go ahead, Phil.
Philip
Well, you know what, what chaps my ass is when we first covered this fire, when it first happened, we brought up the, the, the real estate angle of it two years ago. We're like, this looks like a land grab. I mean, like we were talking about that at the time. And then what, two years later we get these reports where it looks exactly like a land grab. Like if you don't want it to, if it wasn't a land grab. They're trying awful damn hard to make it look exactly like a land grab because.
Clayton Morris
Right.
Philip
And how you make it look like.
Clayton Morris
A land grab by having it actually be a land grab and having none of the permits actually go through on the coastal regions and then put all sorts of environmental restrictions on top of it so that only multimillionaires can come in and adhere to those new permit restrictions. It's brilliant. It's a brilliant move.
Natalie Morris
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Anyway, we're going to cover that part of the story, the, the other side of this, the geoengineering side, in just a second. But first, when is the last time that you have checked your home title that's the legal proof that you actually own your house? We talked about these land grabs a second ago in Maui. You know, if you're like me, the answer is never. You don't look at who owns the title of your home. You're probably not even checking it. The problem is, in today's AI cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles. I know this sounds like a scary. Oh, this is like fear mongering. No, it's happening and happening in a huge way. And the FBI has been calling it out over the past couple of years. The FBI says it's one of the fastest growing crimes in the United States because people don't know that it's even happening. It's so easy to pull it off. All you need is a simple notary stamp that you can buy on freaking Amazon. You stamp it on a paper, you take it down to the county. Boom. Suddenly that title has been transferred and the homeowner doesn't even know that it happened to them. And then suddenly people are taking out mortgages in your name. This is happening. I'M telling you, we have firsthand experience watching this happen. So people are stealing home titles and then they're going and getting mortgages and loans in your home's name, using it as collateral. And you don't know it's too late about it. Criminals are forging your signature on one document using a fake notary stamp on the other, paying a small fee with the county and then your home title has been transferred out of your name. That's where our friends at home title lock come in because they will stop it. They can help prevent this from happening. And what's amazing is they will actually protect it. So if something happens to your title on your home, home title lock will monitor it. And if your home title is stolen, they actually have a team in place that will get it back and fix the problem. I think that's the biggest selling point on home title lock. They are fantastic to me they're triple lock protection will actually go and actually get the title back on your home and fix it for you. That's how great they are. You're also going to get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title and urgent alerts. So if you get any urgent alerts and any changes to your title, if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it on your home. This is fantastic. So go to hometitlelock.com right now and use the promo code redacted. And guess what, what's amazing is even in that first 14 day trial, like even if you don't continue their service in that 14 days, that's free just for signing up, you'll be able to look at all of this and find the monitoring of your home's title within those 14 days. But Natalie and I personally pay for our service. We pay for hometitlelock.com on our title of our home. We are proud card carrying members and we pay for it. They haven't given us a promo code or anything like that. We pay the full price for hometitlelock.com on our own home to protect our home. So go to hometitlec.com right now. Use the promo code redacted. That's hometitlelock.com use the promo code redacted in your first 30 days of their triple lock. Home title protection is free.
Natalie Morris
All right, well the other day my mom asked me about the tornadoes in the Rocky Mountains that we experienced over the weekend and I said oh, you know, weather manipulation. And she said, what's that? Because she doesn't watch our show obviously enough. And I said, mom, weather manipulation. Well, our next guest is the expert at this. Dane Wigginton is gonna join us and ring in on the segment Clayton just did about the fires and more. So, Dane, thank you for joining us.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, Dane, welcome to the show. So I wanted to talk about Maui specifically today and the weather manipulation. So it's almost two years now since the Maui wildfires. And as you saw in our previous report, as Natalie mentioned, they have not rebuilt these homes along the coast. They have not been approved for permits along the coast. Clearly they have been allowed to rebuild a little bit more inland. But this looked like a land grab from the very, very beginning. And right away on our show we were saying directed energy weapons or weather manipulation. Clearly something seemed to be going on here. But you, my friend, have essentially confirmed that yes, in fact, weather manipulation, geoengineering, climate engineering has been used to destroy Maui. Am I right?
Dane Wigginton
There's no question about that. Natalie and Clayton, thank you for your exceptional reporting on the permit and property debacles that go with this. The agendas and objectives being carried out in regard to what happened in Lahaina, there's nothing natural about it. And with climate engineering, those that don't understand the issue and the technology involved, they can actually manipulate and are manipulating atmospheric pressure zones which then affects surface wind flows. So in the case of Lahaina, we had an extremely anomalous high pressure zone to the north. And there are energy weapons like HARP and Alaska that can and are transmitting extraordinary amounts of power into the electrically charged ionosphere. Harp can transmit 3.6 million watts of power. It causes an electrical chain reaction which superheats that layer of the atmosphere. And that expansion pushes downward also. And that creates the high pressure zone on the surface, which spins clockwise in the northern hemisphere, which spins upper level winds clockwise around that. So picture a clockwise spinning rotation north of Lahaina, south of Lahaina, we had a counterclockwise spinning at very anomalous low pressure zone also being manipulated. And picture between those two, you create a surface wind field, massive surface wind flows, a bellows effect. And that is absolutely a result of climate engineering and atmospheric pressure zone manipulation. As far as the land itself, Natalie and Clayton, we had a flash drought declared one week before those fires were ignited. Source of ignition, Separate subject completely. We can debate that. But what established the conditions for those fires to burn with such ferocity? And that is climate engineering, period. Not just the bellows effect from the 80 mile an hour winds drying out the region. Flash drought effect. Exactly what's described in the US military document that you showed a moment ago. The geoengineeringwatch.org found on military archives and posted. And you have the incendiary dust that's very important to consider. So you have this extended period of time, no precipitation, an incendiary dust. It's part of climate engineering operations, starting with aluminum nanoparticles that are such an effective incendiary that that's the primary element used in military demolitions. Thermite. So again, this incendiary dust covering everything.
Natalie Morris
It'S like a fire starter, is that what you mean?
Dane Wigginton
It was already in place once ignited, Natalie. Yes. I mean, again, this is military demolitions, capable of creating extraordinarily hot temperatures. And when you add that wind, the surface flow, it's a bellows effect that creates much hotter temperatures. Every condition that was there in Lahaina is absolutely directly attributable to climate intervention operations, AKA weather warfare, period.
Clayton Morris
So what's amazing to me, I'd never heard, and I know Philip is probably itching to like, jump in and ask this question, or ask questions too, Philip, jump in when you want, but I've never heard of a flash drought. Usually to me that's like something that builds up over time. Like we've had three months now of no rain. That's not a flash. So I have heard of flash flooding. So they can literally create flash droughts.
Natalie Morris
Like the way you dehydrate your beef jerky.
Dane Wigginton
Yes, that is exactly the term. That's not my term. That is the term from the meteorological community for what was declared in Lahaina one week before those ignitions, flash drought. So when you saturate the atmosphere with desiccant particles, Aluminum is a desiccant. It was used in deodorant to the detriment of our health. But you can actually dry out lower atmospheric Rh relative humidity, which sucks the moisture out of everything, foliage, everything on the ground. And yes, flash drought is now an official term and used commonly. It was used specifically in Lahaina. So, again, every piece of this puzzle we see fits completely with what's described in the military document. Wildfires as a military weapon, as the preparation for that kind of incineration. Every single piece of this puzzle matches Clayton and Natalie.
Clayton Morris
So couldn't we say then, well, like, I just want to play the devil's advocate here. Let me be the skeptic, which is not usually my role, but this is all natural. You can have a flash drought, you could have these bellows like 80 mile an hour winds that come out of nowhere. You could have the perfect conditions for all of this. And then, you know, it was the downed power lines day and that, that's what started it was the downed power lines. Even though I think we knew that this was all coming and I think they knew about the power anyway, now I'm, I'm reversing my own skepticism by answering my own question. But.
Natalie Morris
So stop there and ask them.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, so it's all natural.
Dane Wigginton
Dane, again, this is that kind of argument being made and ignoring what we can see on satellite imagery, these operations being conducted over these regions. And for those that don't think, the skeptics that don't think that this kind of power is held over the hydrological cycle, for example, it's not speculation, theory or conjecture. We have historical record, Project Popeye in Vietnam in the 60s, so successful at controlling the flow of precipitation over that country that in the 70s they passed in MOD treaties, environmental modification treaties, forbidding that kind of weather manipulation for wartime purposes, but not over a country's own population. That's key. There's always those caveats, those loopholes. So again, that technology is not disputed scientifically. And any insinuation by official sources that there was anything natural about the Lahaina fires is ludicrous. It would be like again running someone over in a crosswalk and saying, hey, it wasn't me, people die, it's natural. No, when we have these factors that we know have a cause and effect, we have to resolve to resort to Occam's razor principle that all things being equal, the most likely causal factors can't be ignored. And again, when you have aircraft dispersing desiccant particles that are also incendiaries that disrupt the hydrological cycle, they cut off the precipitation, that coat the foliage and the structures with an incendiary dust, whatever the source of ignition. Then you blowtorch those flames through those urban regions. There is nothing natural about this. We saw the same thing in the Palisades fire. Dried out completely, almost nine months with zero rain in that location. Not a coincidence. We see the same thing, Clayton and Natalie, for example, in the Canadian fires from 2023, the drying out of those regions and the incineration there. We have peer reviewed science study advocating, if you could imagine this, advocating for the intentional incineration of boreal forests as a form of geoengineering. Think about that. So again with the Lahaina fire. There is nothing natural about the pressure zones that created the wind flows, nothing natural about the drying out of that region. Nothing natural about the incendiary dust that coated everything. So again, this is verifiably a weather warfare event, period.
Clayton Morris
Can I say something about the lasers now in my report, and I encourage people to go watch that separate piece that will release separately on the current state of Maui and the rebuilding process. And in that report I talked about the distraction. There was so much, I think, and maybe this is a sort of a look over here, not over here kind of thing on the lasers. The idea of using directed energy lasers to ignite these fires, you think, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but do you think that's a total distraction and takes away from the real story, which is the weather modification piece of this.
Dane Wigginton
That narrative has done exactly that. So am I saying that directed energy weapons don't exist? No, I'm not saying that. They definitely exist. And especially when we look at, and many people don't associate installations like HAARP in Alaska, which is an ionosphere heater, and there are many around the globe, there's another in Antarctica, and you guys have covered that, I believe as well. That is a directed energy weapon, but not of the type that many people construe in relation to Lahaina, for example. So if we look at current technology, could an airborne platform actually ignite something on the ground? Yes, that technology definitely appears to exist. And if we look beyond that, once there's smoke in the air or if there's any other type of cloud cover also obstructing a surface to ground trajectory laser, anything doesn't work, can't work. That's why the laser targeting and for example, the Middle east can't work. If there's any sandstorms or anything else, you cannot have obstructions and a platform big enough to do the type of damage that's claimed by some of those narratives weighs about 1.8 million pounds. Takes 18 semi trucks to move that platform that's not flying. So again, what we're trying to get people to focus on again is not a denial of very technologically advanced weapons that could be used under some circumstances. What we're trying to point out is that we have other forms of these weapons, like ionis for heaters that are creating the pressure zones. Again, the high pressure to the north of Lahaina, the anomalous low pressure to the south between you have this blowtorch wind field that is in fact a form of directed energy weapon that's being used to manipulate the pressure zones and the actual jet aircraft. Aerosol sprayed dispersions that have been occurring for weeks and months over a location like a hyena are core to this issue. They establish conditions on the ground, a template with which once there's an ignition source, Clayton and Natalie, there's an unstoppable, catastrophic, completely unnatural blowtorch scenario. That's what happened.
Natalie Morris
Okay, I think Philip has a question.
Clayton Morris
Go ahead, Philip.
Philip
Oh, no, yeah, I was just gonna say, like, if you can create those conditions, a Zippo would take care of it. You don't need a laser. It's like if you can create the conditions. But like. So my question, because last time you were on Dane, Clayton and I were talking about afterwards and it's the thing that, that, that like I can't get over mentally is like, is the why. So if you have people that, that have this ability, like the, the capability of. Of manipulating the weather and they're dropping like the, the aluminum nanoparticles everywhere, like they're poisoning the soil. They're basically making the earth unlivable for humans. So it's like the why ends up being like, you know, do they want to be kings of a graveyard? But how are they going to survive like that? That's the thing that like, what is the motivation behind it? Is it just ignorance or is there like, I just don't understand the why?
Dane Wigginton
That's such a key question, Phil. Thank you for asking. And yes, it's doing everything you described. In fact. The ubiquitous contamination of the planet with bioavailable aluminum nanoparticulates is sterilizing everything. Soils, root systems. That's why every time the wind blows, you see trees tipping over now because the root systems are dying off, just like the crowns are dying off. They're destroying the ozone layer. So few talking about that issue, that's an immediate existential threat by itself. No, it hasn't gotten better. No, it's not the hairspray cans. Climate engineering is the core causal factor for ozone destruction, which is again part of the drying out of Lahaina as well. So why would they do this to themselves? Because we're not dealing with sanity. We are literally not dealing with sanity. Why would they. The same they ultimately those who print the money. That's who's at the top of this food chain. Why would they detonate hydrogen bombs in the magnetosphere? Project Starfish Prime, Project Fishbowl. They thought it could collapse the entire atmosphere. Did that stop them? No, there's no dealing with insanity. And the psychoanalysis of those in power reflects a common thread, and that thread is this quote unquote from the manual. A near total lack of comprehension as to the consequences of their actions, even to themselves. Does an addict care the next fix might kill them? No, they don't. They do it anyway. And we're dealing with the power addiction here. They're not going to let go. And climate engineering, AKA weather warfare, is the crown jewel weapon of the controllers, the weapon with which they can and are bringing populations to their knees without those populations ever even knowing they're under assault. They blame it on nature. Perfect question, Philip. Thank you.
Clayton Morris
I mean, it's almost like. Philip, and maybe I'm wrong, but like, it's almost like the idea of, like, you get, you went to McDonald's, you got a big bag of McDonald's and you're done with all the garbage, and you just throw it out the window. Like it's, it's like a small microcosm of the larger destruction of the planet. Like, they, you know, they don't see that if I keep doing that every day in my neighborhood, my whole, My whole yard would be filled with garbage. And they don't care because that's how they operate mentally.
Dane Wigginton
There's other aspects. I mean. Oh, I'm sorry, Phil. Good.
Philip
No, that's okay. I was gonna say it's, it's, it's as if they just. Like the whole. The whole plan, like the master plan is just to be the last ones left, as opposed to, you know, like.
Dane Wigginton
Yeah, yes, that's true. And also consider that this is the paradox that they are also using climate engineering. This is a very important component of these operations to mask some of the damage done, much of the damage done by ramping up the operations that caused the damage in the first place. And here's an example of that. When we were having, again, and I think we've discussed this before, snowstorms in New Orleans and Florida while it's above freezing and raining in the whole polar region in the Arctic that confuses and divides the population as to the true state of damage done to the climate already much of it from climate engineering operations.
Philip
So it's.
Dane Wigginton
So again, that paradox of using the same operations that caused much of the damage in the first place to try to mask some of that damage in an ongoing scenario so that they can continue to use this as a weapon. We have a military document titled Owning the weather in 2025. That's a very interesting document to add into this equation because this has been and is a goal. And if they could control the cloud layer in 1962, as Lyndon Johnson stated on film on the record, it's the first 30 seconds of our weekly geoengineeringwatch.org commercial free broadcast. He who owns the weather controls the world or he who controls the weather controls the world. How far have they come since then? So again, we have so many layers to these operations. We have winter weather warfare, engineering wildfires, engineering drought. They can bring populations to their knees without those populations ever even knowing they're under assault. That's exactly what's occurring.
Clayton Morris
So you would say with 100% certainty any doubt in your mind that what happened in Maui was intentional and carried out with weather manipulation?
Dane Wigginton
Zero doubt. And we can back that up with data. There is nothing natural about those events. What set the template for those fires to burn with such ferocity? Again, source of ignition, separate subject. But in regard to what established the conditions for those fires to burn with such ferocity, that is absolutely a core cause of climate engineering, period.
Natalie Morris
All right.
Clayton Morris
Dane Wigginton, always great to see you. Our audience loves, loves you and loves your honesty and not afraid to, not afraid to, you know, hold truth to power here. We really appreciate it for. I would encourage our audience to go watch your documentary, the dimming and visit geoengineeringwatch.org to learn more about this. You've got all the documents there. I've been going through them. It's really important piece of this Maui story. Dane, great to see you.
Dane Wigginton
My deepest gratitude to you, Clayton and Natalie. Without voices like yours, all our research would not get the exposure that we need to have. Thank you. My deepest gratitude to you and your followers.
Clayton Morris
Thank you.
Natalie Morris
Thank you so much.
Clayton Morris
Same to you. Thank you so much, Dane.
Natalie Morris
All right, well, that's going to do it for us at Redacted today. Thank you so much for being here. Let us know what you think of any of these segments, really. It was a dense show today. A dense, dense show. Dense topics.
Clayton Morris
Yeah.
Natalie Morris
You know, again, I just, I really want our audience's feedback on what are the voices that they are seeing as we continue to, you know, be pushed into a war environment right now? What are the voices that you're seeing about the debt? What are the things that we are expecting from our government that are not happening? What is it that, you know, are we, are we going to keep calling each other names over weather manipulation which is, is so apparent now? It's like that's not even a tinfoil hat type thing. Anymore.
Clayton Morris
Oh, you mean like calling it a conspiracy theorist or something like that?
Natalie Morris
Things like that.
Clayton Morris
Like.
Natalie Morris
Oh, that's, that's.
Clayton Morris
I think we moved past that. I mean, I think. Yeah, I think we're finally.
Natalie Morris
You think that, right? Because I do.
Clayton Morris
But I don't give a rat's ass when I see like an Associated Press article that calls us conspiracy theorists for talking about manipulation over Maui. Like those, those, those news outlets have lost all credibility. So I don't, I don't mind when CNN calls us that, you know, or whatever.
Audience Member
Well, and if you watch and I.
Philip
Think that, like the way that I.
Audience Member
Do, you can see the narrative on so many of these things. Like, they try to start these narratives now and it's just not working like it used to. Like, people aren't buying what they're putting out anymore. I mean, you look at somebody that posts, like, look at one of Netanyahu's posts recently, how many people are now attacking him compared to like last year or, or before. People are waking up.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, I think you're right. And you're seeing that across the eu finally. You're seeing that in different world leaders who are quiet or kept their mouths shut about it. You're seeing that. And finally some independent media. I mean, you know, there's some topics they just feel like that they're off limits and they can't talk about because they're worried about, you know, some sort of a retribution from, from Netanyahu or Israel or something else and.
Natalie Morris
Yeah. Yeah. What were you going to say, Philip?
Philip
Well, I was going to say that that was kind of like the, the, the point of my question today is, is really like, I think like if we acknowledge like, so the, the government acknowledges they have the capability of manipulating the weather. So we know that. So then why is it so unbelievable that it's happening and it comes down to that? Because you'd have to be mad to do it. And I think that's what they're hiding behind because like, that's the, that was like, for me, the hang up is like, it's like, okay, yeah, we can do this, but who in their right mind would.
Natalie Morris
Why would you do it to yourself?
Philip
Yeah, exactly. And that was, that was the question I felt Dane answered. And, and I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with the answer, but that, you know, it could just very well be that they're just better tell you a little.
Natalie Morris
Anecdote from Batman about the, I can't tell it.
Clayton Morris
The Dark Knight with the Joker about.
Natalie Morris
The guy who steals the rubies oh, yeah.
Clayton Morris
When. When Alfred. When Alfred explains to Bruce Wayne, you know, about the. The man stealing the rubies. And he was only stealing it just. Just because he enjoyed it.
Natalie Morris
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
He just wanted evil. Some people want to see the world burn.
Natalie Morris
To hurt yourself. Yeah.
Clayton Morris
I mean, these people are freaking nuts. Indeed.
Natalie Morris
I didn't tell it. I said, let me tell you. And then I told. It was like, I actually don't remember.
Clayton Morris
But if you're gonna tell. Let me tell the Batman story because I'm a Batman obsessed. But I think it's, it's. It's really. It's definitely true. And when you look at. Just study World War II and study the Malthusian. Study the Malthusians study the transhumanist movement, study. We've covered deeply here on the show the transhumanist movement and the engineering, the killing off of individuals. I mean, this is part of the transhumanist movement is alive and well. And it's infected our liberal population that continues to push for the chopping off of genitals of children. I mean, this is existing right now. This isn't some conspiracy theory, right? I mean, look at Diddy, for crying out. Look at all of the sex trafficking stuff that we cover here on the show. It's not only is it alive and well, it's more prominent than it's ever been. It's larger than it's ever been.
Natalie Morris
Maybe.
Philip
Yeah, but it's like that.
Natalie Morris
There's a push to finish off our human bodies and move us into AI so we're no longer vulnerable to these kind of things.
Clayton Morris
Now that's okay. That's the next level. What do you guys think about that? The idea that.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, like, let's just go there. Let's just do it.
Clayton Morris
Push us into an AI consciousness. Like, get us away from these physical bodies. Move us to the ultimate plan, which is total control in some sort of an AI.
Natalie Morris
Can you be controlled in a virtual consciousness like the Matrix? These are existential thoughts I've been struggling with lately.
Audience Member
This goes back to my, like, my reasoning why I still feel like the reason we'll never see the JFK files fully, the reason we'll not see the Epstein files, the reason we're not going to see all this information is because think of all the minds that would be woken to the fact that they've been lied to about this. And then it's like, okay, they lied about that. They lied about Epstein. So now what else are they lying about? You can't have those minds awake because. Because we figured out their propaganda would no longer work. So it's like, you know, too many.
Clayton Morris
People breaking free of the matrix.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, yeah.
Audience Member
They can't have break free.
Clayton Morris
Matrix would collapse.
Audience Member
Yeah. So now. Oh no, we can't have that. It was a suicide. Okay. Thanks, Cash. Thanks, Don.
Clayton Morris
You can't, you can only have. You can only have a few Neos out there. You can't have everyone breaking free of the Matrix.
Natalie Morris
Right?
Audience Member
Yeah, because you can still. They're conspiracy theorists. They don't know what they're talking about. They can still ridicule you.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, okay, well, let us know your thoughts on that. We'll be back tomorrow with more existential thoughts. What?
Clayton Morris
Linda in our chat says, Linda Saison says I'm still human 1.0. Thank goodness.
Natalie Morris
So how do you know that?
Clayton Morris
Yeah, that's a great question, Linda. How do you know that you're just human?
Natalie Morris
Here's an old Chinese proverb, is you're having a dream that you're a butterfly and you wake up. How do you know that you're not the butterfly's dream? How do we know anything right.
Philip
Now? You're getting into the, getting into the hot. The, the universe could just be like all being programmed by some kid in their parents basement. We could just, all just, just be part of that. That's, that, that's a rabbit hole you go down.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, we're all part of Sim City or Civilization 7. You know, like that's. We're all part of the simulation.
Natalie Morris
Right.
Audience Member
Well, they could have designed me a little bit more symmetrical. I'm about pissed off about that, I guess.
Clayton Morris
Right, good. More svelte. Yeah, we'll ask you guys this and maybe we can talk about that. I would love to have a deeper discuss that. We're all in a simulation. There's been a couple of whistleblowers who've come forward lately and who've been talking about how that's exactly that we are in a simulation.
Philip
I mean, they're prominent physicists that mean if you get into like, like they're physicists that entertain that idea as well. I mean that's, that's a very scientific possibility.
Natalie Morris
Yeah. Okay, I want to let you guys know that this is the last week of School for My Children. So it's the last. So the show's gonna change a little bit.
Clayton Morris
That's not a simulation.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, that's real. They will actually be in the house while we're broadcasting throughout the summer. That means I don't have to rush off for pickups, which is nice, but they may be obnoxious, which is not nice.
Clayton Morris
They might be annoying and obnoxious, which children are.
Natalie Morris
Yeah, but that's. We signed up for that. So I can be obnoxious right back. You already observe that, dear audience, clearly.
Clayton Morris
I mean. I mean, I didn't say that.
Natalie Morris
That is a simulation.
Clayton Morris
It was so funny earlier because I was trying to get to Thomas Massie because we were running heavy and we were doing something, and I was gonna do, like, a rap.
Natalie Morris
Oh, I saw it.
Clayton Morris
Yeah. And David And I stopped myself, and I just, like, sort of stretched my fingers out, and David. David messaged me and he said, did you just try to rap? Natalie, did you try to rap? And I said, I stopped myself because then I remembered who I was married to.
Natalie Morris
I didn't like it. I saw it. I'll contend with it later.
Clayton Morris
Fiery Latina. So I'm married to. Oh, no, here we go. Yeah.
Natalie Morris
Yeah. Did you just do that?
Clayton Morris
No, just stretching my hands out. Stretch my hand. It's getting a little.
Natalie Morris
Oh, I'll deal with you later, Poppy. Okay, we will see you guys tomorrow.
Clayton Morris
Is it a threat or a promise? I'm looking forward to that. All right, everyone.
Natalie Morris
Okay. See you tomorrow, everybody.
Clayton Morris
Let's go. Deal with me. Come on.
Podcast Summary: Redacted News – “They’re Lying to Us!” They ALL Want a War with Iran and It’s Coming
Date Released: May 21, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris and Natalie Morris
Guest: Congressman Thomas Massie
Special Interview: Dane Wigginton, Geoengineering Expert
In this episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton Morris and Natalie Morris delve into pressing national and international issues, blending investigative journalism with candid discussions. The episode kicks off with a preview of the major topics, highlighting a contentious spending bill in Congress, looming national debt concerns, the potential escalation of war with Iran, and alarming developments in Maui following devastating wildfires.
Key Quote:
Clayton Morris [00:01]: “Welcome everyone to Redacted on this Wednesday. I'm Clayton Morris."
Natalie Morris [00:04]: “I'm here too. I'm Natalie Morris."
The hosts express deep concerns over a significant spending bill poised for a Congressional vote. They label it as a “big beautiful” yet perilous proposal that could exacerbate the United States' national debt, which currently stands at $36 trillion. The discussion centers on how this bill threatens to ignite a "debt bomb," potentially crippling the nation's financial stability.
Key Quote:
Natalie Morris [00:04]: “...massive debt bomb that's about to go off in Washington.”
Clayton Morris [23:07]: “...the big beautiful bill will add 20 trillion of federal debt over 10 years.”
A significant portion of the episode addresses the escalating tensions between the United States, Israel, and Iran. The hosts question the sincerity of U.S. intentions, suggesting that media narratives may be skewed to support an inevitable war with Iran. They scrutinize shifting U.S. policies on Iran’s nuclear program, highlighting inconsistencies in official statements regarding uranium enrichment levels.
Key Quote:
Natalie Morris [06:02]: “...intrinsic inconsistency of our own diplomats...”
Clayton Morris [06:38]: “They keep moving the goalposts here.”
Morris and Natalie draw parallels between the current suppression of anti-war voices and historical events like the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. They argue that platforms like Redacted are being downranked to silence dissenting opinions against the looming conflict in Iran, raising concerns about freedom of speech and information warfare.
Key Quote:
Natalie Morris [08:52]: “...shadow banning of anti war voices...”
Clayton Morris [19:44]: “...shadow banning seems to be happening, if you ask me.”
The episode features an in-depth interview with Congressman Thomas Massie, who provides a critical analysis of the pending spending bill. Massie underscores the bill's detrimental impact on the national debt, criticizing its expedient passage without addressing fundamental fiscal issues in programs like Medicaid and Medicare. He also touches upon the implications of redefining tax deductions and the broader economic consequences of the bill.
Key Quote:
Congressman Thomas Massie [23:07]: “...the federal government's now going to have to pay 5.1% on 20 year debt.”
Massie [26:42]: “...the big beautiful bill is a handout, and it's going to cost everybody else in the red states...”
Transitioning from fiscal concerns to environmental disasters, the hosts investigate the aftermath of the Maui wildfires that devastated Lahaina. They highlight discrepancies in rebuilding efforts, noting a significant number of permits issued for inland properties while coastal homes remain unreconstructed. This selective rebuilding raises suspicions of land grabs by wealthy developers and hints at underlying motives beyond natural disaster recovery.
Key Quote:
Natalie Morris [42:07]: “...102 lives lost, thousands of homes and businesses destroyed.”
Clayton Morris [49:46]: “...is this a disaster leveraged for mass development?”
In a pivotal segment, Dane Wigginton, an expert in geoengineering, discusses the possibility that the Maui wildfires were exacerbated or even caused by deliberate weather manipulation techniques. Wigginton explains how atmospheric pressure manipulation and the use of aluminum nanoparticles could create conditions conducive to catastrophic wildfires. He firmly asserts that the events in Lahaina were the result of intentional climate engineering rather than natural phenomena.
Key Quote:
Dane Wigginton [63:33]: “...weather manipulation, geoengineering... has been used to destroy Maui.”
Wigginton [65:55]: “...every condition that was there in Lahaina is absolutely directly attributable to climate engineering, period.”
The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the discussions and engaging with their audience. They emphasize the importance of independent journalism in uncovering hidden agendas and encourage listeners to remain vigilant against potential misinformation and media suppression. The hosts also briefly touch upon future topics, including ongoing investigations into Maui and broader geopolitical issues.
Key Quote:
Natalie Morris [79:12]: “...we really appreciate it for. I would encourage our audience to go watch your documentary...”
Clayton Morris [80:53]: “...we moved past that. I mean, I think we're finally.”
Throughout the episode, Clayton and Natalie intersperse promotional segments for various products and services, including meal delivery services, educational courses, dietary supplements, and home security solutions. These segments are seamlessly integrated but intentionally omitted from this summary to focus on the core content.
Conclusion
In this compelling episode of Redacted News, Clayton and Natalie Morris tackle complex and controversial topics, from fiscal irresponsibility and potential wars to environmental manipulation and media suppression. With insightful interviews and bold assertions, the hosts strive to shed light on the narratives they believe are being obscured by mainstream media, urging their audience to seek the truth and remain informed.