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Clayton Morris
Wake up, everybody. Welcome into show. This show is not brought to you by apec. Just unlike all members of Congress, this show is free of apec. I'm Clayton Morris.
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Natalie Morris
I'm Natalie Morris.
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Clayton Morris
Good to see all of you guys. We got a busy show for you because what the hell is happening right now at the White House? I mean, the White House, I don't even think they're in damage control. They're just continuing to do damage on themselves.
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Natalie Morris
That's a good way to put it.
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Clayton Morris
There's no scrambling. They're just continuing to burn themselves right now. It's unbelievable. Continuing to flip flop on this Epstein story. Yesterday, President Trump comes out and says, well, let Pam Bondi release some of the files that are credible. We'll let her do that. She's doing a great job. And then today says, basically it's a hoax and if you guys believe it, you're all idiots, Right?
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Natalie Morris
As the redhead libertarian put it, we thought that Trump was gonna go scorched earth on the Deep State. Instead, he's going scorched earth on anyone who had any semblance of believing that he would, in fact do what his supporters wanted, which was end the war in Ukraine, release, have full transparency of the Epstein, et cetera, et cetera. Those things don't seem to be a priority. And so instead now the White House is saying, but egg prices are down.
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Clayton Morris
So we'll talk about that.
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Natalie Morris
I don't observe that. In fact, yesterday I bought eggs and I'm like, they're back up again. Same with gas. So it was a temporary. I don't know what the heck, you guys, but we're here together and we're gonna try and make sense of the tea leaves. It sounds to me a lot like, you know, when you go into a bathroom at like a bar or something and it says, if your date's being aggressive, come and ask for the tropical drink. Right? And we'll.
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Clayton Morris
I've never seen that because. But then again, I'm a dude, so I wouldn't be hanging out in the.
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Natalie Morris
Code for, like, if you're in trouble. Because they're lying so badly, it feels like they're saying, we don't even expect you.
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Clayton Morris
Like, are we supposed to be watching, like, Trump to blink twice? Like, are you in trouble?
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Natalie Morris
That's what it feels like. Let me know if you, if you feel that. So we're going to talk to Max Blumenthal on the show here because he is able to make these connections, whereas we can say things like, it does seem like like there's some connections to Israel. He's got the goods. So we're gonna talk to him about that.
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Clayton Morris
We're also gonna talk about all this additional money and weapons going to Ukraine and why the United States is bombing Somalia today. Why is the United States bombing Africa? Also, why is Israel using US Weapons and bombing Damascus, Syria on live television, destroying the defense building there? The head of the defense industry building in downtown Damascus, a friend of the show, Kevork El Masian, said it's even worse than he could have possibly imagined. Syri. So Colonel Douglas MacGregor is gonna join us on that story. Also, Kyle Serafin, FBI whistleblower, is gonna join us today as well to talk about Kash Patel. Because at the FBI, something really fishy is happening at the FBI beyond what we already see. But why is Cash Patel, like, trying to live in Las Vegas in this like giant mansion and run the FBI out of this mansion? We're gonna unpack this weird story. Plus so much more on the show.
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Natalie Morris
And the Holocaust piece on the four story. We're actually gonna do that tomorrow. What we are gonna end of the show is how the EPA is saying chemtrails are a conspiracy. Not real inaccurate.
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Clayton Morris
We're gonna show you that there's a lot of them telling us that we're just being conspiracy. We're just being stupid. You know, this is a hoax. Epstein's a hoax, right? Chemtrails are a hoax. Now you should look away, not even pay. Give me a break. I'm sick of these idiots. I'm really sick of these idiots in Washington D.C. so we'll talk about all of that.
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Natalie Morris
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Clayton Morris
Hell is going on? Yesterday, Trump tells Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files, or at least the parts of it that he says are cred. But she's handled it very well, and.
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Max Blumenthal
It'S going to be up to her.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release.
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Clayton Morris
All right, so whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Then this morning, Trump wakes up, takes a dump, gets on his phone. Boy, he's probably sitting on the crapper for about an hour and a half, and he types out this thing on truth, social and radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like with the fake and fully discredited Steele Dossier, the lying 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell which the Dems swore had come from Russia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now their new scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into this bullshit hook, line and sinker.
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Natalie Morris
Past supporters.
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Clayton Morris
Past supporters. So if you were a supporter and you believed what Trump had to say about getting the Epstein files out there, a past supporter.
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Natalie Morris
Get out of the group. Get out.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah, get out. Then today, he doubled down on this. When a reporter asked him in the White House. He was sitting there. Yeah, he's sitting there with. With the head of. Who's the. I forget who. The.
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Natalie Morris
I can't remember.
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Clayton Morris
Brain. Brain. You know, it's one of those guys. That guy, that guy. He's sitting there and he loves to do this. He'll put on, like, a whole press conference with, like, the head of a foreign country, just like, sitting there like, oh, geez, what did I walk into? Anyway, he was asked about this by a reporter, and he said this.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Mr. Hudson.
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Max Blumenthal
Mr. President, I know you want to.
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Natalie Morris
Move past all this intrigue over the.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Epstein files, but I do want to.
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Natalie Morris
Ask you to clarify something you said this morning.
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Max Blumenthal
You said this was all a hoax. Has your attorney General told you this was a hoax?
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Clayton Morris
What evidence?
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Max Blumenthal
Have you seen the Attorney General?
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Kyle Seraphin
No, I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. It's been run by the Democrats for four years. You had Christopher Wray and these characters and Comey before him.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah. Okay. Then the Babylon Bee tweeted this, which, you know, as Natalie pointed out earlier in our little private text chain, this isn't even a joke.
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Natalie Morris
It should be a joke, but it's not. Man who vowed to release Epstein files berates idiots for believing there are Epstein files. None of his timelines makes sense. Recall that Epstein was re arrested under the first Trump administration after he had already gone to jail. So how is that possible? Max Blumenthal is the editor of the Gray Zone. He joins us now and he has really put together the connections that we are not supposed to put together when it comes to Epstein and what have you. So why, Max, do you think he is doing this? And can you walk us through the connections that you put regularly on X, such as Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Epstein's visits to Israel, the things that we are not supposed to see. Thank you for going through this with us.
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Max Blumenthal
Well, I don't, I don't know if that's the reason why Trump is so out of step with his base. There's, there's definitely an Israel connection there, and that may expose more, but we know so much about it. And I mean, I, I'll answer your question directly. Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, was a Mossad asset, basically had a state funeral in Israel. The Mossad director and the Israeli prime minister went to his funeral. And he was very well connected with intelligence as well as with the French government and with the stepfather, Samuel Pizar, of Tony Blinken, who was a prime minister, was a secretary of state under Biden. Jeffrey Epstein had connections across both parties. He had very close pro Israel connections like Alan Dershowitz. He was deep in Trump, Donald Trump's world. Towards the end of his life, starting in like 2008, he became. No, sorry, starting later than that, he in two. Well, I should mention back to the Israel connection, just so I can nail down this question. Epstein had relationships with four Israeli prime ministers. He's very close to Ehud Barak, who Barack was visiting his place dozens of times. Everyone watching this has probably seen the photo of Ehud Barak trying to slip into Epstein's townhouse with his face covered. He Was he knew Shimon Perez, former Israeli prime minister. He also knew Ehuda Olmert. These are all from the labor side. But he also was able to arrange meetings for JP Morgan executives with Netanyahu, which they were really seeking out after Netanyahu became prime minister in 2009. So that's four prime ministers. Do we know if Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent? I don't know. He. Passports. He went to Israel in 2008 after he was afraid he would be convicted for trafficking in the United States or soliciting prostitution. He also was seeking passports not only to travel through Israel, but also to Africa. I believe some kind of Saudi ID was found in his home after he died. And we don't really know about all the contents of his safe and other things that were found in his home. But there may be a much more mundane explanation for all this, which is that Donald Trump fears deep structural political damage if he releases any more information or allows this to continue because of his deep, long standing, abiding relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And Steve Bannon, also his former chief of staff, was close friends with Jeffrey Epstein, recorded over 15 hours of footage interviewing Epstein in his home, and has never released it. He never even released the 2021 documentary he was producing. Howard Lutnick, who was on the Commerce Secretary, who was on the tarmac with Donald Trump when Trump was basically spitting on his own base and calling them all crazy conspiracy theorists. Howard Lutnick shared a wall with Jeffrey Epstein's townhome, bought his own townhouse from a company, a holding company, set up by Epstein and his business partner, Les Wexner. So these connections are abundant. And I think Trump may have just very personal reasons for not wanting to release any more info.
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Clayton Morris
I mean, does he have the power to do that, to just not release this? I mean, you know, Congress, you saw that motion by Thomas Massie yesterday, Congressman Massey, pushing forth to. To solidify this and to try to get Congress on the record about this and release that. Roger Stone coming out saying, there's one way to do this, which is under the Trump administration, in the Southern District of New York, under the former Trump administration in 2019. Just release. Release that indictment, release everything that was related to all of that, and stop calling us all idiots, stop calling us all morons for wanting these files release.
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Max Blumenthal
Jeffrey Epstein died on Trump's watch after, right. Being visited in prison by then Attorney General and former CIA agent Bill Barr, who wrote all the pardons back in the day for the Iran Contra felons. He's Sort of a cover up, man. So there was, there was not really much hunger in the first Trump administration to get any of this out. Then you have the Biden administration come into power. They didn't bring up Epstein when it clearly could have hurt Trump during the campaign. Kamala Harris didn't have any connection to Jeffrey Epstein. Why didn't she bring this up? And why didn't Biden's very weaponized, very politicized FBI under the watch of DOJ Director Merrick Garland seek to release anything? Well, maybe, maybe there was nothing there, or maybe the Democrats were also compromised because Bill Clinton was still a towering figure in the Democratic Party along with so many others in the Democratic Party who had known Jeffrey Epstein. But now what you can see the Democrats doing, and if I had been an advisor to Kamala, I would have told her the only way you could possibly win because you're one of the worst candidates since I don't know Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton, is to bring up Epstein again and again because it will demoralize Trump's base and break his mystique. What I would have done, you know, if, if, if I were or them was to bring it up constantly. But we're at a different point now where the Clintons don't have the same hold over the party. Barack Obama's a faded figure, like the past is kind of gone, but Biden's like staring at a wall right now, drooling. And so you have a younger generation of Democrats who have figured out that this is the Achilles heel of Donald Trump. And so Ro Khanna, who wants to be the future of the party and kind of be the meeting point between the Bernie Sanders movement and the kind of Obama centrists, he is pushing this very hard in, in the House. And Thomas Massie, who is being targeted by Donald Trump, is joining him to introduce a resolution to call for the full release of the Epstein files. So this is sort of a generational thing because the Epstein generation is dying and you have a young generation at the base, Donald Trump's base, I wouldn't even really call them Republicans. They're sort of like right wing America first that is in sort of full revolt against Donald Trump and they want a new generation of leadership. So this is not going to go away. And finally, this isn't just about Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein has become a proxy or a catch all for all of Trump's betrayals of his base on Ukraine, where he's now rearming Ukraine and imposing sanctions on Russia, bombing Iran. You know, the Anti immigrant. Part of his base is mad that he's gonna do a potential amnesty for undocumented hotel workers. There are so many betrayals, and Epstein just kind of crystallizes it all.
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Natalie Morris
Now you can tell that he thinks he's launching a new conspiracy theorist term that will deter people from looking there. So Russiagate, Russia, Russia, Russia, fake news. These things have worked really well for him in the past. So this branding of Epstein hoax, it does feel to me like he thinks that this, this will do it. And as soon as you slap this crazy person label on it, then you know there's no more. But the mainstream media, it's so funny, is not fighting him. And so we see here it at play a uni party, people trying to protect themselves. And so it does feel very much like the last. There's this older generation that needs to be protected. But do you think that there's anybody new, like any, any of the up and comers who may be compromised by anything like this, or is it just like, you have to be under 60 to want this?
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Max Blumenthal
I mean, I was on the Hill yesterday. I went to a meeting of the Republican Study group, which is 70 Republican members of Congress, and they, they were setting up meetings with new media in a big room in the Cannon House office building because these are like backbenchers who want publicity. And so I kind of swooped in there and started asking them all about the Epstein files. And they, most of them were just falling into line with Trump because they have to, because it was Trump's movement and Trump's money and political muscle that put them in power. And he can take them out. Look at what he's trying to do to Thomas Massie teaming up with AIPAC to take out one of the favorite members of America first, because he hasn't fallen into line with Trump. He's too independent. So they're all afraid of Trump. Trump thinks that his base is a cult and they have behaved like one, partly because of weaponized investigations that were fake, like the Russiagate hoax. Trump has said that if I stood in the middle of fifth Avenue York and shot a man, they would all still support me. The problem is that he was seen as a sort of victim hero in the past. But then he and his influencers, like FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino when he was an astroturfed radio host, were promising this giant drop of the Epstein files, which sort of capitalized off the narrative in the first Trump administration. Started by like, influencers, like lesser known figures like Ron Watkins, who started the QAnon concept that Trump was going to take down the pedophile elite blackmail rings. And so they. There was this expectation that Trump would actually take on the deep state and that releasing the Epstein files would be the ultimate takedown. Then it turns out Donald Trump is compromised. There are photos, there's video of him and Jeffrey Epstein hanging out with Buffalo Bills cheerleaders who are grinding all over Trump and Trump's joking about them. And so it starts to seem like actually they've been had, they've been took, they've been hoodwinked and bamboozled by this guy who's one of them. And I don't know. I mean, I, I think, I think you have to be a massive dupe to not realize that this was always the case with Trump. But they were tricked by all these influencers. And now where's Dan Bongino? Where. Where is he? He's hiding in Florida. He might quit the FBI. I don't know. He had a huge screaming match with Pam Bondi, who's the Trump loyalist Attorney general, and the crack up is just beginning. And I think the Democrats are going to take this Epstein ball and run with it. And that will be the only thing Trump will have. Well, he'll say, well, the Democrats are trying to exploit this Epstein hoax, this Epdine conspiracy theory, so you have to line up with me. Otherwise they're going to, they're going to fill up your daughter's locker room with, with, with trans males or something, and he'll take it back to the culture war.
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Clayton Morris
I mean, it's so disturbing. Yeah. I don't know if the strategy's gonna work where he calls us all retarded for wanting the release of the Epstein files. You know, that's basically what he's doing. He's like, oh, last week we were all in favor of getting the Epstein files out. I stood up here at the podium and told you we're gonna do it full transparency, and now you're all retarded.
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Natalie Morris
Right. But I think that, you know, most of us were really keen on getting Democrats out of office because the Biden years were hell. But we knew that Trump had not done a lot of swamp draining during his first administration. We thought we'd get maybe small measures of something. This is really insult, this is beyond insulting. For anyone who had any kind of hope that small measures, which. It feels like a poison pill, don't you think?
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Max Blumenthal
It was a poison pill that Donald Trump injected into the veins of his base by making these promises. I mean, that's the difference between this and the Russiagate hoax is that Trump tried to own this or his people tried to own it. And it worked very well along with the Hunter Biden laptop, which was real, in poisoning the Democrats in their eyes. The problem is Jeffrey Epstein was a sort of a bipartisan operation. He compromised everybody who touched him. And you know, I should say that I come from the left. I'm not a Republican. I did not support Donald Trump, but I didn't support Biden or Hillary or Obama either. I just, the reason that I didn't couldn't support the Democrats is I don't support the status quo. And the Democrats and their donor base and a large part of their base in general just generally supports the status quo in the United States. And what Trump successfully did was he, he peeled off all these different groups that opposed the status quo for various reasons, including Rust Belt voters who were abandoned during the years of globalization under Clinton. He peeled off Iraq war veterans who felt abandoned and hated John McCain and on and on. I never really came along. But now you have Trump owning the part of the American electorate, or a large part of it, that opposes the status quo, doesn't trust the elites, hates the establishment. And now they're identifying him with Jeffrey Epstein and starting to see that there's this actual cover up of Trump's relationship with one of the most odious figures sitting at the center of the world of reptilian, shape shifter, Davos hovercraft, elite sex perverts. And that's a big problem. They're not. And the only thing Trump has though is that in the US there's no choice. Like, what was my choice in the last election? My choice was to vote for either these two or to vote for Jill Stein. And, you know, I helped her get to like 0.9%. So there's no vehicle for anyone who's disgusted with Donald Trump within his base right now. And at the end of the day, in 2026 or 2028, he's just going to say he's going to just bring up a bunch of culture war issues as the Democrats do, and expect his base to fall in line.
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Clayton Morris
A lot of them are. Max Blumenthal, great to see you as always. Thank you so much. And watch Max's clip. He went after Randy Fine yesterday. It was amazing. Go on, go on X and watch that. We don't have time now to talk about it, but it was, it was a thing of beauty.
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Max Blumenthal
Well, I got an Epstein video coming out from that same setting, so look for that at the Gray zone.
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Clayton Morris
All right. Yeah. Follow Max on X. He'll publish it there. Also, check out the Gray zone. As always, Max, great to see you. Thanks so much, man.
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Max Blumenthal
Thanks a lot, guys. Good seeing you.
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Clayton Morris
All right, coming up here on the show, we're going to talk about these. Max just talked about. We're rearming Ukraine, doubling down on that. Can you. Can you attack Moscow? Trump says. I didn't actually say that when I talked to Zelinsky, but we're also bombing Somalia as we speak, and Israel is using our weapons right now to bomb the capital of Syria. Let's talk to Colonel Douglas MacGregor on that story.
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Natalie Morris
Before we move on, do you feel. Because he does such a great job of pointing out these are unanswered questions. And so we. We absolutely cannot accept the Epstein hoax branding. We absolutely cannot accept that there is no connection to Mossad. But just because Naftali Bennett says it. I don't really care what the Israeli government says. They lie all the time. So that's not a data point. So it feels like.
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Clayton Morris
No, but Ben Shapiro said he heard right from Naftali Bennett.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, no. Ben Shapiro believes it himself. On X. He put his own post up, but.
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Clayton Morris
Ben Shapiro believes it.
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Natalie Morris
Okay.
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Clayton Morris
Shouldn't you.
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Natalie Morris
No, these are. I'm just gonna say, in case you didn't know this about me, that trusting governments is not my strong point. So I don't give shit what Israel says. I'm not gonna believe them. And so these are. These are mountains that have not been explored. Right. This is unchartered territory. So we need to collectively say we reject that. We know that there's something there. We don't know what it is.
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Clayton Morris
They're gaslighting us.
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Natalie Morris
Right.
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Clayton Morris
And they hope that we're.
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Natalie Morris
So no to this branding. Absolutely. No. Okay. Just. I just wanted to see if you felt that way or.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah, I do. I mean, you know, Trump's basically calling all of us who believe it retarded. And I'm not. I personally am not retarded. And I'm not gonna.
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Natalie Morris
He's not.
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Clayton Morris
I'm not. And I'm not gonna sit back and allow you to call me that because of the facts that are there in front of us. So you can. You can. You can suck right off to that one. Okay, we've got more news to get to here in a moment. We're going to talk about Ukraine, we're going to talk about Somalia, we're going to talk about all of that. We're going to talk about Kash Patel and chemtrails as well. We're going to do all of that. But first, if you're still tossing and turning at night, feeling edgy during the day, let me tell you about our friends over at CBD Distillery. Millions are turning to their CBD for relief because it works. In fact, over 90% of customers report better sleep with CBD. And it's not just sleep. CBD Distillery offers targeted formulations for just about everything. My mom, I've been sending this to her since Mother's Day for like a few years now. There's like a cream that she can put on her hands because she's got arthritis and it makes her hands feel incredible. So much better, releases that inflammation, gets rid of it. No fillers, just pure premium cbd. They actually sent me some of this and I put it on. It's like some shoulder pain and it comes like in a roller and you can actually just rub it on. My neck pain was gone a few minutes after putting it on. It's pretty amazing. So check it out. If you're struggling with sleep, stress or other health concerns and haven't found relief yet, make the change, like millions are to CBD Distillery. And for a limited time, you can save 25% off your entire purchase. So visit CBD Distillery, use the promo code redacted at CBD Distillery. Promo code redacted. And again, CBD Distillery. And check them out. Go there right now. And specific product availability depends on the state regulations, by the way, in your state.
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Natalie Morris
All right, well, why is the US Bombing Somalia right now? Do we have the bandwidth for this? You may remember we are supporting the war in Gaza. We are supporting the war in Ukraine. We are also bombing Syria and now Somalia. In fact, U.S. african Command, that's AFRICOM, has admitted to at least 51 airstrikes in Somalia so far this year with limited media coverage and vague civilian casualty reporting. That's not new. We always get this precision strike bs, but really, we kill civilians all the time in the Middle east, so why are we doing this while we are also escalating a war with Russia, which the media is very confusing about. We don't know what to believe. President Trump yesterday said he did not not ask Ukrainian President Zelensky to strike Moscow, contrary to what the Financial Times reported. Here's how the FT put it, according to people who had heard a conversation. Vladimir, can you hit Moscow? Can you hit St. Petersburg, too? Trump asked on the call, according to the people. Okay, Zelensky said, absolutely we can. If you give us the weapons. Okay. The people. I don't know how to take that one. But Trump says that's not true. Meanwhile, Politico reports that Trump doesn't even believe that Ukraine can win the war against Russia. No serious person does. So what's going on here? Joining us to discuss is retired Colonel Douglas MacGregor. Douglas McGregor joins us and he is the one who knows these things about these types of strategies. So that's the person we go to. What do you make of this? Let's go. I don't know. It's, let's roll the dice. Where would you like to start? Ukraine, Somalia, Syria?
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Kyle Seraphin
I'd like to state right up front that I am not the president's psychoanalyst, so please don't assume that I understand everything that's happening. Secondly, I got to go back to Max Blumenthal's segment and memorize that list he came up of reptilian shape shifting, UFO chasing. Good Lord. Whatever it was, it was, it was classic. We need a shirt Saturday, Saturday Night Live will get a hold of that and make millions from it. It was brilliant. Look, why are we doing what we're doing in Somalia? Somalia is this basket case that has had Al Shabaab and ISIS related entities in it, as have several other African countries. Now, we've been booted out of most of Central and West Africa where we had a substantial presence, but we're still in Somalia and presumably welcomed by the government, which is partially subsidized by us. And so we are at will to pick targets or to take nominations, I guess, from our friends in the Somali government regarding who out there deserves to die. Now, if you're going to ask me, does this make sense, is this part of a coherent strategy? Is this making us any safer? You know, I have no idea. You know, it's one of these things. You do it because you can and you're dealing with people that have no air defense weaponry, no capacity to detect you and fire at you. It really doesn't drain, drain us in terms of weapons because we're using precision guided bombs, no doubt, but we're not using the more expensive missiles that are so vital to operations as we saw in the 12 week war with Iran. So, you know, that's the best answer I could give you on that one.
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Natalie Morris
Now, if I may, you have been an advisor to secretary of defense in the past. So you know, can the US Defense, the US Military handle this many wars? Can any organization do this with any type of measurable success?
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Kyle Seraphin
Well, we're not. We are at war with Iran. You know, President Trump made us a co belligerent, but at the moment, we're not shooting at them. And as far as I know, they're not shooting at us in Ukraine. We are effectively a co belligerent and we are at war with Russia. But Russia has chosen to exercise restraint and not counterattack us. So to answer your question, if these things were to grow hot tomorrow morning, you'd be right. We'd be very overstretched. In fact, a good friend of mine who's familiar with the missile inventories, who's still working for the Department of Defense, said we have about eight days worth of missiles. I said, so what does that mean? He said, well, the conventional war, if we fight it against the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, doesn't matter anywhere, can last eight days. After that, we have to go nuclear. I said, you're kidding. He said, oh, that's the truth. So I. To answer your question right now, yes, you can get away with a lot of things because it's tertiary, but it could rapidly become overwhelming overnight. And you're, you're right to make that point, Natalie.
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Natalie Morris
Eight days. Eight days until nuclear.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
Eight days to nuke. Okay.
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Clayton Morris
I want to show you what happened over the past few hours in Damascus, Syria. Of course, we are providing bombs to Israel, of course, and coordinating with them. They're not doing anything on their own without direct involvement, I would think, from the United States. I went downtown. Yeah. Let me just show you some video here, Colonel, and I'm sure you've seen it. Downtown Damascus, Syria, today, live on television. Bombing of their defense industry, defense buildings. Watch. But don't worry. Benjamin Netanyahu says we're going after the bad guys. So, you know, this is all good news. Colonel, what do you make of what's happening in Syria?
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Kyle Seraphin
Well, there are a number of things going on. First, you have the Druze who've had their conflicts with the Sunni Muslim Arabs that are in the government now, the sort of rebranded ISIS slash Al Qaeda types. And Israel said that it was going to strike in support of the Druze, which is, you know, as far as we're concerned, that's fine. Now they suddenly attacked the Defense Ministry people trying to figure out what's going on there. There are various theories because we have a very definite conflict underway between the Israelis and the Turks. It's not a hot conflict, it's a cold one. But some people are theorizing that striking that Defense Ministry was a message sent to Mr. Erdogan and the Turks You've got this fragile pact, if you will, between the Turks and the. And the Israelis, that they're going to sort of jointly administer what's left of the region. The Turks want control of most of Syria. The Israelis want some of the south. The Turks don't agree with that. The government in Damascus has now said they want northern Lebanon to be annexed to Syria. And I suspect that they're looking to eventually seize control of the area where the Russians sit. The Turks are in favor of this, as long as it doesn't result in war with Russia. You know, this is what happens when you unhinge the region. And we have been working tirelessly for years, certainly for at least 15, to bring down Assad, destroy that country, which we've done, and to bring a government to power that we thought we could control. Well, I don't think we can. Despite Mr. Trump's visit and telling everyone that Mr. Jelani, the former Al Qaeda slash ISIS terrorist, is really a very fine young man and a very smart guy.
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Clayton Morris
Right? Yeah. I mean, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. And, you know, it's also convenient, too. I mean, we'll put this up here on the screen. This was all happening inside of Israel. This bombing happened right as Netanyahu was sitting in trial, but it was convenient. The trial got adjourned right as the strikes were happening, because, you know, Netanyahu had to go to television and tell us all what was really going on. So it's very convenient. Every time he has to face the judiciary, he just bombs somebody.
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Kyle Seraphin
Well, I'm surprised he hasn't jailed the judiciary as a matter of national security. That may yet happen. Remember, President Trump, at the insistence of the Likud and the Israel lobby, said, you know, I stand 100% by Mr. Netanyahu. He's a great hero. You have no right to prosecute him. I'm with Netanyahu, so that's kept him in power. I suspect that that'll work for some time to come. But the point is that nothing is solved. There is no peace in sight, and there is no coherent strategy. The strategy right now is effectively we're going to do in the region whatever the Israel lobby wants us to do, whatever Mr. Netanyahu tells us to do. And eventually, we're going to get back to war with Iran, and anybody who thinks otherwise is probably delusional.
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Clayton Morris
So you really, I mean, because you heard all, like, the MAGA influencers that were making fun of people like us saying, you know, we're sitting on the precipice of World War 3, and they're like, look at all you pannikins out there. You know, World War III didn't happen. We're not going to war with Iran. Trump is, you know, Jesus Christ, he's just walking on water. He carried out this attack, and now we're moving on from it. So you really believe. I mean, I believe it, but you really believe we are going to war with Iran?
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Kyle Seraphin
Well, we're already at war. It's just that for the moment, there's a pause. That pause is going to end. Now, I predicted that it would probably last well into September. I could be wrong. It could go hot again, you know, by mid August. But it struck me that it would take that long for us to replenish at least a substantial portion of the missile arsenal in Israel. And remember, we had all of these ships and aircraft sitting in the Middle east or at sea for a very long time. Our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines were worn out. They needed a break badly. The fleet is overstretched, and they've run out of a lot of missiles. So those things have to be addressed because we certainly don't want a war to restart unless we're present, because otherwise Israel is unable to defend itself when it comes under attack again by Iran. So everybody wants to know, okay, Doug, when's the war begin again? You know, I sort of thought September, but you've got all sorts of people out there gaming this, trying to figure out when it'll go. But I think logistics constrain us at least until the middle of September. Now, as far as World War 3 is concerned, it's very important that everybody understands something. President Putin no longer pays any attention, really, to what President Trump says. Nobody in Moscow cares what he says because he's not truthful and they don't depend on us. They watched us lie to the Iranians and then effectively set them up for a surprise attack by the Israelis. We lied to them about the Minsk accords. We've lied to them continually about everything. And Trump turns around and says, well, I'm unhappy, so I'm going to restart aid. Well, the $10 billion, I mean, probably 40, 50% that'll be stolen anyway, which is what we've seen in Ukraine before. But it's certainly not going to make any difference on the battlefield. So I would expect the Russians to press ahead until they've achieved their aims. They have a way to go yet. They're close. But I would not exclude the possibility that they cross the Dnieper river and they move directly on Kiev and eventually down to Odessa, then I think they will be somewhat satisfied. And one of the things that I think President Putin is waiting for is change in the governments in Western Europe. They're all very fragile. Anyone who thinks that Matz is wildly popular in Germany needs his head examined. He's hanging on, but he could be gone very quickly. So could Macron and even Starmer. So I think they're trying to move cautiously. They don't want to provoke a wider war if they can avoid it. But they're not going to stop what they're doing and they're not going to pay any attention to anything we say.
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Natalie Morris
Right. The RT headline just a few moments ago, Trump Arms Ukraine. Russia doesn't care. I mean, they really don't. Right. And so Zelensky today says, well, can you reconsider those missiles? But what you just said is we kind of need them ourselves, first of all, and we're only giving, we're giving them breadcrumbs. But now Zelensky has withdrawn Ukraine from the landmark Anti Mine Treaty and they've been violating it all along. And so it's like we are allowing them to continue to fight dirty instead of pushing them to a peace negotiation if they in fact had nothing. Right. And so it's like they're fighting with brass knuckles. And, you know, however else you might want to define fighting dirty, if we just took it all away, they would have to go to peace. But instead we are facilitating just this horrific suffering civilian by civilian. Is that how you see it?
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Kyle Seraphin
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And everything the Ukrainian government has accused the Russians of doing are things they themselves have done. The Russian performance in the field is remarkable. Not only has Putin been very, very cautious about the loss of Russian life, he's also instructed his generals and they have largely done this more successfully than I think I could, and limited the collateral damage. Ukraine is now, what's the right word? A totalitarian state where goon squads run around and press people into service. They tried to press a Hungarian out in Western Ukraine on, on Ukrainian soil into service and he was killed. The Hungarians are up in arms over this. I think the Ukrainian state is falling apart. If it was ever that good to begin with, it's being held together basically by graft. And we've facilitated the graft. Well, that's just about as far as they're going to get. I don't think you'll ever get someone in Kiev to say, that's it, we give up, let's come to a solution. I think, in fact, he and his inner circle will climb into jets and fly off to parts unknown and leave the country to be destroyed. Because that's effectively what they've done. They've led Ukraine down the path of destruction. I see no evidence that that's going to change. And by the way, people aren't paying attention to what's going on in the Pacific. In the Pacific, we're still trying to build up in a rather laughable way for a war with the Chinese, you know, and it's simply ludicrous nonsense, thinking we're going to turn Taiwan into a Ukraine at sea. We have no chance, no chance whatsoever of success against the Chinese. They are a great continental power. They have all of the advantages of sitting on land with all of the missiles you could ever imagine. Whatever numbers of missiles you saw that the Iranians can shoot, there are infinitely more that will come from China. This is all nonsense. We really need to put an end to this. But there is no strategy and no will. And the President of the United States seems to be a puppet of whomever last spoke to him. He's surrounded by Israeli influencers. He's surrounded by lobbyists from the defense industry. Advocates for the pharmaceuticals just go down the list. The man is not his own free agent. Now, could he be? Well, of course. But, you know, remember what Andrew Jackson said. One man with courage makes a majority. Well, it's time for him to have some courage. Because none of this is in the interest of the American people at all. And the fact that he would continue to ignore the atrocity in Gaza is incomprehensible. It's unforgiving.
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Clayton Morris
Colonel Douglas MacGregor, always great to see you. Thank you so much for your analysis and insights, as always. We appreciate it. Thanks, Colonel.
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Kyle Seraphin
All right, thank you both. Bye bye.
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Clayton Morris
Thanks, Colonel.
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Natalie Morris
Well, the theme of the show today, Clayton, is wtf? Yeah, that. That is that. We just have to keep asking the questions while we're allowed, you guys. We can't figure out what the hell's going on, but we'll just keep asking the questions. Coming up, we have questions about the FBI. What the heck's going on there? How is Cash Patel running this? How is he again? Wtf. The eta, the Environmental Protection Agency, is now saying chemtrails are not a real thing. It is based on false conspiracies. We're gonna talk about that as well. But before we move on to more wtf, Clayton is going to tell you about our friends over at Bright Core Nutrition. This is Something that Clayton loves to talk about, which is his kimchi pills. Go ahead.
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Max Blumenthal
The only reason I took this job was because my business acumen sucks. All these guys have their own private jet.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
So the only way I was going.
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Max Blumenthal
To get home was becoming the director of the FBI.
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Clayton Morris
FBI whistleblower Kyle Seraphin joins us now. Kyle, great to see you. So you posted this question, why does an unelected FBI director need a private jet? Not just one private jet, but two to fly around the country. What did your audience say about that?
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Well, the folks on X, I think, interestingly enough, a few people think that they should have private jets. I, I got the impression that they were being facetious. They thought I was being facetious. Maybe the way I asked, but 80 plus percent of people think that they should fly either first class or coach and, you know, fly like the rest of us. A couple folks asked me, how do FBI agents fly? Can you justify business class or an upgrade? And the answer is no. If you get upgraded, great. If you happen to have a lot of frequent flyer miles, so be it. But you can't spend the government's money on it. You're supposed to be a good steward of the, the public's money because you're supposed to be in theory, a civil servant. I always heard about service, but at the end of the day, we know that people are not just serving, that there's not this big opportunity cost that they, that they're giving of their lives to go do these jobs. Because we saw people get kicked out of the state department and they were crying and they wanted to stay. Right? It wasn't like, it was like they were doing some burdensome thing and they were going to get to go back to a better life. Like that's the life they chose. And so even characterization of doing public service, when you're in charge of an agency like this, if you've got a 20 person protective detail that's on you 24, seven, there's six or eight federal agents, you're flying around in private jets, Everybody kind of fawns all over themselves wherever you go. You're living like a billionaire, you're living like a, like a member of royalty. And that's kind of anti American in a lot of ways. Certainly when you're not elected, you know, and, and you're going to hold that job for 10 years. It's, it should concern more people how much money we spend on this stuff.
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Clayton Morris
Well, and this is exactly something that conservatives would have lambasted the Obama administration or frankly the Biden administration. I remember when I was at Fox News, I mean there was plenty of stories about, you know, Democrats in the Obama administration or just members of Congress having cushy private jet trips. All of this stuff, this would have been something that conservatives would have lashed out at liberals about. And now here they are doing it themselves. But, but so he's now trying to upgrade this jet, trying to get larger, larger accommodations. And he makes that joke in that video that you shared where he's like, not just one jet, I want two to be able to fly around. What's, why does he need two?
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Well, they already have two. That's the thing. They have two jets. They have got a turboprop, they've got this, and they've got the, the Gulf stream, the 550, which allegedly used to be owned by Robert Kraft, an actual billionaire, a guy who's worth north of $10 billion, owns the Patriots. So that's apparently where the first jet came from. So they got it on the used market and I think they spent 40 or 50 million dollars on the thing. It's a 62 million dollar aircraft plus whatever the FBI does for comms. So it's not an inexpensive tool to be used. And originally it was actually not acquired for executive travel as the, the current request for information says. It was actually acquired for counterterrorism resources so they could fly out to like, you know, major event and, and collect evidence and get people on the ground really quickly, kind of criminal mind style where, you know, the jets on the tarmac and they run out there into it if they need to. There are all kinds of like fast response teams that are out of the Quantico area and the Northern Virginia area that theoretically have to go to national priority events. But I think he wants it because he wants to, you know, because it's probably really nice to be in there. Chris Ray apparently put a snow cone machine in, so that was one of his upgrades to it. So that's kind of fun to think about. It wasn't box of the booze kind of scandal, but I mean that's fairly scandalous to have that. And, and I've been completely consistent about this ever since I've been in the Bureau. I called this stuff out. I think they're problematic. I think the fact that they use it like it's their own personal, you know, sort of jet setting tool. Chris Wray left a hearing when he was in front of Chuck Grassley and folks in the Senate doing a judiciary hearing and was, was called out for that. Miranda Devine has written about it. I've contributed to pieces for the Daily Wire about this. So it, it was the reason that that director, what was it? Was it sessions that actually got kicked out over this? I know Comey had issues about his use of the private jet. It's been a contentious thing. It's just become more and more normalized. And my favorite answer, because Chris Ray said it now Cash Patel will hide behind it too. It is the policy of the FBI that, that the FBI director fly everywhere in a private jack so he has access to communications. But to be clear, Clayton, the policy is written and it is under the direction of the FBI director. So it's a self serving policy. We can't act like this is something they don't have the ability to change. They could change that tomorrow. It's something that Louis Free used to do supposedly like he, you know, disbanded the director detail and actually lived kind of like an agent would, like you'd expect. Like you get on a plane and you fly out and do this stuff. That's, that's what Americans should expect. That's what conservatives should be consistent about.
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Clayton Morris
You've been following this Muldon part of the story. Maybe you can bring our audience up to speed on this. Mega donor for gop, for Ted Cruz for Senate and others. Walk us through how this all ties together with Cash Patel and what's happening at the FBI right now.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Sure. So one of the people in that video that you just. The clip you showed is a guy named Mike Muldoon and he's based out of Las Vegas, although he lives in other places and has houses other places. He's Very wealthy, and I don't know exactly how wealthy he is, but wealthy enough to own a private plane. And if my memory serves, I think he owns like a Gulfstream 400. So it's the step down from the one that Cash Patel is currently flying in. And the reason why I know that he has a private plane is because he was talking to me and Cash Patel about it while we sat at dinner in Las Vegas. This was for shot show, I want to say it was in 2023, the beginning of 23, so before Trump has been elected. And it was in the middle of the Biden term. And we were talking about Chris Rey's use of the jet, which was really contentious at the time. And something I was focused in on, Muldoon was explaining the cost per hour of operating these things, the cost per touchdown at various different airports. And so why someone who owns a private jet might fly into a regional area instead of landing at, let's say, DCA Reagan in the, in the Washington D.C. area. And at the time, the issue was is that Chris Wray was permanently making the FBI jet leave the place where it stays, which is a hangar in Manassas Regional Airport called Hef for the three little title. It would fly over to Reagan to pick him up. DCA at a cost of 2500 dollars for a government jet. Muldoon told me it's $10,000 for a regular private jet just to land there, just to put its wheels on the tarmac. And the government was getting a discounted rate at 2500. And then every single time Chris Ray would his sort of vehicle, you know, three vehicle convoy, drive him down there, he would load up in the jet, he would fly to where he was going, and then the jet would fly back up to Manassas, wait for him, then fly back, and then land at DCA. So it was costing us upwards of like 10 or $20,000 every single time, additional cost that Chris Ray wanted to use that jet. So we were talking about what a problem that was. Patel agreed. At the time, Muldoon, I didn't know this, but he owns the house that Cash Patel has been living in for the last couple years, at least since 2022. And so the two men in Las Vegas. And so I've confirmed this, looking at the Federal Election Commission records, the house of record, or the home of record for Michael Muldoon is the same house of record that Cash Patel votes out of. That's very strange. And I don't know if the men are roommates or if he just has an extra house so Cash could live in it. And it was an advantageous thing. But we do know from guys on the detail, people inside the FBI reporting to us that Cash Patel is spending an awful lot of time in Las Vegas and flying that private jet that he currently has out to Vegas. So all these things are very unusual. And it's just like it's the opposite of what people thought was going to do when we were complaining about Chris Ray corruption. To see someone coming in and doing like what looks worse at this point?
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Clayton Morris
So let me just get this straight. Cash Patel, we have the photos here. This is the house. This is the house here in Vegas. So I'll put these up on the screen here. So from your sources at the FBI, Cash is basically living in this house. We don't know if he's living there with this billionaire donor Michael Muldoon in the house together, which is strange. And where is Cash's girlfriend in all of this? Does she live there at the house as well?
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Everything I can tell she lives in Nashville. So not there now. Maybe they've relocated and decided to cohabitate, but maybe not. You know, there's been a lot of questions about the age differential between Cash Patel and the girlfriend. A lot of sort of like Israeli intel speculation. I think those are speculative. I can't substantiate any of it. I don't think they can either.
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Clayton Morris
Like a honey pot or something.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Correct. But the other question that I've had people bring up, including people that are homosexual, FBI employees that are pro Trump, which is not a big subset the, of the world, let's just be real, like there's not a ton of that. Just if you were to put those categories together, have indicated to me that they don't really know a lot of 50 or 40 something year old Indian men that are unmarried and living with other men that don't have something going on. So there's like, there's, you know, kind of a rumor in intel kind of passing around through the FBI folks that have come through whistleblower channels, folks that I know personally that have kind of intimated that like this may be more than just, you know, two men living together, which by the way, in their 40s and 50s is a pretty strange circumstance. I don't know any of my friends that are doing that. Maybe, maybe one friend of mine that does that's kind of like, you know, kind of live in an alternative sort of scenario. But it's just, it's a, it's, it's not sort of the transparent sort of look. And then the last thing we've been hearing is that the protective detail is having to wake up Cash Patel on a regular basis because he's out partying all night in Washington D.C. maybe in Las Vegas as well. And then we heard exactly the opposite said by Dan Bongino when he went out on a Fox interview saying, you know, he's there at 6am and he's working until, you know, from 6 to 7pm and he's there all day long. And everything I hear is the exact opposite of that. So now you've got Dan Bonino apparently, like maybe running cover and acting like he's working when he's not. And at the end of the day, all of this does, especially in the light of this Epstein situation, it's making Donald Trump look terrible, is giving him people that seem to have, they're more focused on themselves. Again, that, that website is very, very unusual. You don't see the FBI director call attention to himself. Usually the FBI's director's profile is he does some hits in front of Congress. He does a couple of like, canned puff piece interviews with whoever's friendly or sympathetic. And they kind of stay out of the way and try to let the FBI do the work because it's not trying to be, you know, a look at me type organization. And we've seen the opposite in this Trump administration.
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Clayton Morris
Here's this headline. I'll put this up on the screen. Cash Patel wants to work from home for the FBI. But who does he live with? The new FBI director says he plans to work from home and run things remotely from Las Vegas. But why won't he answer about who else he lives with in this house? So how problematic would it be for the FBI director to live in a home? I mean, I'm thinking about like state secrets and confidentiality, classified information. Living with like a billionaire donor to the Republican Party in a huge mansion in Las Vegas, like it sounds, this sounds incredibly fishy to me.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Yeah, it's, it's, it's very unusual to say the least. Also, while Cash was working for the National Security Council, he apparently accepted a pretty expensive lavish trip to Scotland with the same guy, Michael Muldoon. They, they haven't hidden this friendship that they've had for a long period of time. This goes back, you know, to the previous Trump administration. It's, it's just really unusual. And here's the deal. This is the basic nuts and bolts of it. As somebody who used to, to have to fill out a background form. You have to notify the federal government when you hold a high level clearance, if you hold a top secret clearance, if you hold the sci, read INS for compartmented information. You have to tell them when someone decides to live with you for more than a couple of days. If I were to take on a parent, for example, if I'm an FBI agent and my parent gets sick and I'm going to move them into my home, I have to let the FBI know about that and they're going to go do a vetting process, be able to confirm if you take on a roommate because you're financially not solvent, you have to let the FBI know who that is. You have to let the national security organizations go and they do a vetting process. They'll go look into your roommates as well. Because when you're privy to certain secrets like you're not going to be perfect at home. And so they know who your spouse is, they know who your children is, they know the people that you live with and what kind of people are going to know what's going on in your, in your life. And that becomes the business of the government. So that question in that headline, which is basically a regional newspaper, it's a, it's a valid and legitimate question. And it's also one that the intel services ask of their own employees. So you don't get special rules when you're not elected. The only person that really gets special rules are the people that get interim clearances from the President and the President himself. And he gets to decide, you know, who is and who is not out. But at the end of the day, the, the, the agencies that work for the American people all kind of have a kind of a rule book. They follow, know and, and the FBI director, as far as I know, is not actually an exception to it. They actually do follow through on. They. We used to do background checks on federal judges and everything else and all these things are, are necessary. You fill out this whole packet. It's called the SF86. It's, it's grueling. If you're a grown up and you've lived in more than one place, you're writing every single address, people you knew in those addresses, every employer you've ever had, people who knew you at those jobs, you know, both in the job and that were friends of yours at the, at the time. And it ends up being a really thick stack. And so the Office of Personnel Management holds onto these things and they do special investigations through the FBI to be able to make sure they can grant these clearances and we don't compromise state secrets.
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Clayton Morris
That's all so creepy. It's all so weird. Kyle, always great to see you. Thank you so much for this. This is just the beginning of the onion being pulled back, I'm sure. Thank you for, for your reporting on this. And this is. I hadn't heard this before, so this is fascinating. Thank you, Kyle. This is great.
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Natalie Morris
Great.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
That's. My pleasure.
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Clayton Morris
All right, thanks so much, Kyle. Great. Great to see him as well. All right, coming up on the show, we're going to talk, we're going to decide what we're going to talk about here because we're working on that. One of our guests is having some issues with their webcam so we're trying to get them on here in a second. But.
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Natalie Morris
Well, our plan is to talk about the new EPA report that chemtrails are a not a real thing. It's based on inaccurate claims. If we don't talk about that, we have other things to talk about. Clayton is very, he's very keen on talking about the Superman boycott because he is dead set convinced that it is an anti Israel movie and that it is actually playing out what is happening in Gaza in front of us. If we don't talk about that today, we'll talk about it tomorrow. Because you're excited about that, right?
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Clayton Morris
I am.
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Natalie Morris
So that's a little teaser. It may be a 24 hour teaser. We'll see what happens. Before we do that, though. What was that?
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Clayton Morris
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
What?
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Clayton Morris
Nothing.
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Natalie Morris
Okay.
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Kyle Seraphin
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
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Clayton Morris
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Natalie Morris
We'Re drawing parallels here. It is a well funded army backed by weapons makers in what is presumably the United States against a civilian army on foot, unarmed, with shovels, children, donkeys. Children with donkeys and shovels. Could it be any clearer? The thing that we are experiencing in real life? And I've been thinking about this a lot because I'm like, how long did they have this planned? How long was this, this written? Could it have been written to showcase what we're seeing in Gaza when that war is about a year and a half old? I don't know anything about filmmaking to know, could they have pivoted like that? Could they have foreseen this? Is it that intentional?
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Clayton Morris
Well, it's hard to say. I mean, how long the Script has been in the process. James Gunn, by the way, who comes from Jewish heritage, who's the director and the writer of the film. Although he was raised Irish Catholic. He hasn't professed to be Jewish, but of course he has that background and he's not spoken on that specifically. But anyway, he wrote the film, he directed the film. I don't know how long it's taken him to actually put this into place. So you could say it doesn't matter if it's about Israel. It's an anti genocide movie, it's an anti war movie. And this has Israelis taking to the Internet and boycotting the film. And of course you saw Ben Shapiro come out and say that he wasn't a fan of it. He's really trying to like, like, do as much as he can to basically not admit that this is a really a reflection on Israel. So it really doesn't matter if it's about Israel or not. It's an anti genocide film. It's an anti war film. It's an anti ethnic cleansing film at the heart of it, right?
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Natalie Morris
And so now Israelis are taking to social media saying that they should boycott it. They're boiling with rage because of the parallels here. They don't like the way that this has been betrayed.
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Clayton Morris
To me, I'm trying to think of the way, the best way to describe this that's like, oh, you mean it's. So you're looking in the mirror and you're seeing yourself back in this. Because nowhere in the movie do they mention Israel. Nowhere in the movie do they talk about Palestine. It's a fictional country. So it's like they're almost like they're having their own self reflection. They're projecting. They're like, oh, so you're talking about Israel. Then you're saying that we're bad because we like, you know, because we want the war. Isn't it cleansing? We want this? No, that's not in the movie at all. But I guess you feel that. I don't think it's a guilty conscience, perhaps. Go ahead, Philip. See, I don't think the movie's about me when I see that because I'm not doing a genocide. So I don't draw any parallel back to me, you know? Yeah. Do you have a good point?
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Natalie Morris
Good point.
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Clayton Morris
So are they upset then that Superman is trying to stop the bloodshed of innocent people caught in the crossfire of. Of warmongers and war machines? Like that's essentially what they're doing here. You have children that are standing up raising like a Superman flag, saying, don't kill me. We hope that you'll come and protect us, Superman. Will you in fact step in and protect us? There's no, again, no mention of Israel. It is Joe, though, just an anti war film. So it's hilarious to me. It's like a lot of self reflection. They're just upset that, hey, we're not embracing this type of ethnic cleansing right now.
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Natalie Morris
It's not. Obviously we don't know how widespread it is. We don't have numbers for how this movie performed in Israel yet. But the tweets that we do see, the, the movements that we do see to boycott because of what they think is this art mirroring life is interesting. Especially because Zionists don't condone boycotts, especially peaceful ones like the bds. The BDS is boycott divest from Israel while they are treating Palestinian people this way. Now Zionists want to make that illegal for Americans. Meaning we are not allowed to boycott Israel. So we are not allowed to boycott Israel. But they can boycott, by this logic, anything they want. They can boycott a movie they don't like. So I guess it's just, just us that shouldn't be allowed to boycott by this logic. Right? Do you follow that?
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Clayton Morris
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just reading the comments here in the chat. People are like, well, if Gunn wanted to make. Izzy Chance in our rumble chat says, if Gunn wanted to make an anti genocide film, let him not screw over an established ip, perhaps. Okay. I mean, just read the comic books. I mean I have for years have read the comic books and this was really a throwback to like the golden era of Superman comics. And blowing up tanks was a regular thing that Superman did. So this is, I mean, this is like right out of the comic, it's on brand. So. Yeah, it's not, it's not. It's not destroying an established ip. And we're talking about the film. I have to say, like the last, like, I think if anything, Zack Snyder in many ways kind of tanked a lot of what Superman did in the man of Steel. And then the Matt, you know, Superman versus Batman garbage, all of that stuff. Like he wants money. Make no mistake that James Gunn didn't make.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
Like he had to get permission to.
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Kyle Seraphin
Do everything he did.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
The studio wouldn't let him do something.
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Clayton Morris
If they didn't agree with it. Yeah. When you're talking about an established. When you're talking about like an iconic character like Superman, you're not, they're not just gonna like blindly just Kind of go, well, whatever or whatever Warner Brothers wants here.
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Natalie Morris
That bit aside, I will say it is a crowd pleaser. We have two girls, 8 and 13. We have a 15 year old boy. Everyone liked it in our house. Everyone enjoyed themselves.
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Clayton Morris
Oh, I should also point out there is a great moment in this too. And this is again, not a spoiler, but. Well, I guess it's a little bit of a spoiler. It's not.
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Natalie Morris
Now, I cannot corroborate this on the Internet, but this is what we think.
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Clayton Morris
Oh, no, that's not what I was gonna say.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, okay.
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Clayton Morris
But I was gonna talk about the monkeys.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, yes.
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Clayton Morris
So there's something with Lex Luthor where he has like an army of, you know, he has a whole thing with. It's a real quick clip. I mean it's like 20 seconds long. But he has like, basically an army of like Internet trolls.
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Natalie Morris
Propagandists.
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Clayton Morris
Propagandists, like Hasbara monkeys basically on the, on the Internet, like bots, like going after, you know, like saying negative things. And like, you know, like when we would speak out against the Ukrainian war and then the genocide that was being carried out against the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and we were talking about the BS in the Ukrainian war, we would get these bot armies would come on immediately and start in our channel.
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Natalie Morris
Russian propagandists, Putin lovers, that kind of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Right. So anyhow, we found it to be worthwhile effort. So let us know if you, you see those parallels. All right, coming up, we're going to talk about chemtrails and how the EPA is saying that this is absolutely a conspiracy. Before we do that though, is it okay if we tell our friends over about Genicel? Are we prepared to do that? Is that okay, Phillip? So summer is here. And of course summer comes with those dark marks, sunspots and other blemishes that the sun leaves behind. But you can correct that with the Genel Dark Dark Spot corrector. It visibly fades away. Dark marks, sunspots, scars and other signs of discoloration all over your skin. Formulated with the patented Luma skin, a revolutionary new ingredient. And Genucel's legendary base is shown to visibly reduce those age spots sunspots and make for a brighter, more youthful look. You'll be amazed at how you look guaranteed or your money back. Right now you can get this Dark Spot corrector with every detail. Genyacell completes package for over 70 off. If you use our code redacted at checkout for this extra discount. It's world class Skincare that works, guaranteed or your money back. Order yours now and get the Genucel moisturizer for hydrating moisturizing effect on your delicate skin during again harsh summer months. So Again, go to genucell.com redacted. Use the code redacted at checkout. Get that extra 70% discount on the skincare package. It's genucel.com redacted. Well, the environmental agency is now saying that chemtrails are not a real thing. They're calling this a conspiracy theory. Here is now according to this new report on the EPA website where they say that chemtrails is a term that some people use to inaccurately claim that contrails are the result of of routine air traffic and are intentionally releasing dangerous chemicals into the atmosphere. Here is where you can find that on that government website. No chemtrails, they're saying it's only contrails, which is normal condensation from airplanes, they say. But they do admit that airplanes do spray things for agricultural purposes or firefighting. What about weather manipulation, though? They say they don't know anything about that. The federal government not aware. Well, this doesn't add up for many, many reasons, one of which is that we've seen permits for weather modification. We know that that happens through all sorts of legitimate sources. Anna Matson is an independent journalist and the host of if People Only Knew, the podcast. She's been following us. So she joins us us to discuss. So what do you think of this absolute burying of what are legitimate concerns?
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Anna Matson
Well, first, thanks for having me on. And second, when I first saw the announcement that we're releasing all this information, I was so excited to go dig in and I should have known better that, you know, can't get too excited about what the government's doing. So they actually released two different pages. I believe it was like epa.gov and epa.gov geoengineering. And they are playing word games with us because on one hand they say, no, no, there's no chemtrails, you silly goose. Okay? And then they go on to say that there's no such thing as geoengineering. Government's never been a part of it. We're not aware of anything, nothing. But then they do actually admit that there is weather modification going on, but they only say that they know of one company doing it. And then they talk about cloud seeding and they're like, yes, nine different states do cloud seeding, and we're very well aware of that. So they're just playing games with us. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a gut duck. If you are spraying chemicals in the air to change the weather, that it's weather modification, geoengineering, whatever have you.
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Clayton Morris
It's a pure gaslighting. Right? I mean, that's the way I, I see it. They're telling us that don't believe you're, you know, don't believe your lion eyes. So when campers, you know, near what happened in Texas were out in the forest and they're, they're, they're, their tents are filled with like blue, blue rainwater. Don't believe that. Nothing to see here. Don't pay attention. And they change these terms semantically. You have what, stratospheric air aerosol injection, chemtrails, cloud seeding. To me they're just playing semantic games here at the end of the day. And there's no government accountability for these companies. We saw what happened in Dubai when they overseeded the skies and we know that the companies there that were responsible for it were wide scale flooding as a result of that. So just like tweaking it a little bit can lead to widespread problems. But there doesn't seem to be any government accountability at all for this.
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Anna Matson
Well, and what's interesting is as I was digging through those WebPages that the EPA released, I went down this rabbit hole of, okay, they cited this, they sourced that, and it ended up coming. I found a study about the silver iodide that they use when they cloud seed. And the study said that repeated cloud seeding can actually have damaging effects and prevent photosynthesis from happening. So this is what's crazy to me. I always say I'm a true environmentalist, not a fake one. So I actually want to protect the environment. And while people think that they're doing that by trying to make it rain, they're actually preventing plants from growing if they do it too much in one area. So, you know, we really, if we want to take care of the planet, which I think everyone does, we need to be smart about it. We need to stop playing God here.
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Natalie Morris
Now the problem is we see state by state, certain states are saying, well, we're going to introduce legislation to stop chemtrails and weather manipulation and what have you in our state. But we spoke to Nicole Shanahan on this show and she said it really doesn't matter because it's the federal government who has really the overall overarching legislation, the final word on this. So could this possibly be covered for the Federal government putting a stop to what each state may be trying to do. What do you think of that?
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Anna Matson
Well, I will say I just went to Florida. They banned geoengineering and it looked like they were spraying the skies. When I was there, obviously I talked to some pilots and pilots do tell me that some of what we're seeing is probably a true contrail, but other. Other things we're seeing are chemtrails. So all I know from my experience is that the last two years I live in Michigan, the last two years I was able to plant things actually in April, outside. This year I had to wait till the end of May. And our first nice week this year, we saw all the lines in the sky. I even saw two planes going by. One had a trail, one didn't. I don't know how you explain that. And then we had the coldest spring into summer we've had in years. So that's what I know. Now I will say Marjorie Taylor Greene did just introduce a bill yesterday to prevent it even at the federal level. So that's where all of our eggs are right now, in that. Even the text hasn't come out yet about that bill. But, you know, we'll see what happens with that. That's where. That's where the real change will happen.
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Clayton Morris
I love the idea that we're conspiracy theorists when you literally have Bill Gates on the record, you have the UK government on the record telling us they're trying to dim the sun. So screw you. I mean, telling us that we're conspiracy theorists. I mean, again, incredible book. Go back, read the book that I think is called the Year Without Summer. It's about the volcano that happened. I believe it was Indonesia and all up and down the east coast of the United States at the time. We had widespread crop destruction. We had snow in the middle of summer in the United States because of a volcano in Indonesia. Like, you want to create famine, population control, you want to destroy our food supply, get rid of meat so that Bill Gates can start giving us his processed man boob making, fake processed, whatever it is, vegetable burger thing. I don't know what the hell it is, but we're not conspiracy theorists. They're telling us this. This. We're just putting the pieces together, are we not?
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Anna Matson
No. I mean, the CEO of the company that was doing cloud seeding in Texas admitted that they were doing cloud seeding two days prior. But don't worry, it had nothing to do with the flood. So they're. They're literally saying it. And this guy Actually messaged me a few months ago and he's like, okay, do you want to talk about it? No. You're. You're telling me you've already admitted to the world that you are geoengineering, that you are putting harmful chemicals into our air and a little bit off topic, but not really. I mean, there's been study after study of all these things. Like even baby formula has been found to have arsenic and lead. Tampons have been found to have lead in them. And it's because of all the chemicals everywhere. In our air, in our soil, in our water. And where does it come from? It comes from things like this. And we need to stop doing it.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah. I mean, the only thing I can think of when I read this website is, no, why? What is the motivation to lie to us? And I don't know. Like, I just.
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Anna Matson
Yeah, I don't know.
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Natalie Morris
Why would they?
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Anna Matson
I don't know if it's coming from the EPA level or from a different level. The EPA administrator very well might think that he gave us everything, but who knows who's actually pulling the strings? He seems like a genuine guy. I don't know him, but I have followed the President's cabinet very closely and he seems genuine. But when you actually look and read through the website, anyone should be like, wait, you just said that you don't do geoengineering, but then you say you do weather modification. It doesn't make sense. So anyone should be asking more questions after reading it.
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Clayton Morris
Anna, thank you so much for joining us. What is the name of the show and where can people find it?
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Anna Matson
If People Only Knew is my podcast and you can find me on all socials. Anna R. Matson is all my social accounts.
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Clayton Morris
Thank you. Anna, great to see you. Welcome to the show.
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Anna Matson
Thank you.
- [80:38]
Clayton Morris
Really appreciate you sticking around. I know we had some back and forth tech issues, so I appreciate it.
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Anna Matson
No problem.
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Clayton Morris
Finally getting lined up. Great to see you. Thank you so much. Hope you'll come back.
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Anna Matson
Thank you. Of course.
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Natalie Morris
I love the name of the show. If people Only Knew. I was thinking about how I didn't realize this until we had the pleasure of meeting with Neil Oliver and his family. And his wife was saying that a lot of times she'll listen to something and she'll come out of the shower and be like, did you know this? And she's indignant about being lied to by mainstream narratives. And I'm like, I think we're the same. There must be a lot of us who just want to be smarter. Listen to things all the time and just get, get pissed when we are told, when we would learn what we were not told, when the narratives break down, when we had, you know, sort of swallowed things and then didn't question them. And then it comes up. So I think we're an archetype. What do we call ourselves? It's like, it's like that. If people only knew. It's like indignant, sincere information searchers. We're workshop that.
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Clayton Morris
How about redacted? How about redacted rebellion? How about we're. We're the redacted rebels.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah.
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Clayton Morris
How about that?
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Natalie Morris
Okay.
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Clayton Morris
Of our show.
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Natalie Morris
How about that? And I think it's like, I'm especially like these kind of, I'm saying women, but you know, men do it too. I don't know. Yeah, we'll workshop this. What do you think?
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Clayton Morris
Because you're more emotional than men. Is that the thing?
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Natalie Morris
Yeah. Like, I don't know. For whatever reason, I felt like this. Is this, is this the point?
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Clayton Morris
You tell her she's acting hysterical. Yeah. Colton, Natalie, we had a funny text thread earlier today about that. Women love to be told when they're being emotional.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, yes. Because somebody who is a Zionist told me that my information about Israel came out too emotional. Not uncomfortable, factually incorrect based.
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Clayton Morris
Just emotional.
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Natalie Morris
Too emotional.
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Clayton Morris
Your tweet is too emotional.
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Natalie Morris
Right.
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Clayton Morris
Thank you, Zionist.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor
How dare you tear up when talking about murdering kids.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah. Okay.
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Clayton Morris
Yeah. How I guess we should do it in sort of in, in, in cold, cold emotion, no emotion, like no country for old men kind of way, I suppose.
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Natalie Morris
Okay.
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Clayton Morris
Because that's how we should do it.
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Natalie Morris
But then you wouldn't need us because your AI could deliver this show and you'd have no personality. Right. So anyway, but you're here. We're here. We're doing the work.
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Clayton Morris
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Natalie Morris
All right, we'll see you tomorrow, everybody. Thanks for being here.
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Clayton Morris
Bye everyone.