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Clayton
Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Welcome everybody. Welcome into the big show today. Great to see everybody on this Tuesday. It is Tuesday. It is Taco Tuesday and President Trump is headed to China. Well, could it be too little, too late? And does China have Trump over a barrel? Look at what's going on in the bond market today. Look at what's happening to mortgage rates right now in the United States and what is happening to US Treasuries being dumped in favor of gold. So what does this mean for the US Dollar? And you know, it's kind of, it just seems like President Trump's kind of going there almost like on a begging mission. That's what it appears to me.
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Natalie
Right. So we're gonna talk to an expert about that. We're also gonna talk about this new bill to insert a kill switch into your car. Now what this means is that government surveillance and car companies can dec decide if you are fit to drive. Now you might think, oh good, we'll get less drunkards on the road. But think about it in other situations and how dystopic this could be, having the government watch you drive and deciding when you can do that. When I talk to Ben Swan about this, who's been warning about it.
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Clayton
We also got a great panel today to discuss what's happening with these data and these AI data centers. Now, you know, many communities around the country complaining about this low hum they're hearing from a mile away, a half a mile away. This is constant hum. Well, forget that. Now, certain areas in certain parts of the country, in Georgia specifically, are taking the homes away from people in favor of imminent domain in order to build these massive data AI, these AI data centers. So what does the future look like in the United States for these massive boondoggle centers? Really, really horrible stuff. Also, we're gonna talk about mass deportations in the United States. You might have thought just if you saw the news and you're watching like 60 Minutes or your liberal newscasts that, wow, there's nonstop mass deportations in the United States. There are upwards of 50 million illegal immigrants in the United States, according to the data that we've looked at and the experts we've spoken to on this who worked at the Customs and Border Patrol and ice. Well, it turns out these mass deportations are simply not happening. Why is President Trump actually slow rolling and stopping these deportations? We're going to talk about today exclusively with a member of the Customs and Border Patrol and former member of ICE on exactly what's happening behind the scenes at ICE right now. So a lot to unpack on the show today. Very busy show. Thank you for dialing us up. We're trying to go behind and beyond the headlines of these big stories today. So thank you guys for subscribing and being a part of our community here.
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Natalie
That's right. If you're new to redacted, you may not know our main business is narrative disruption. We believe nothing. We have to see for ourselves. That's what we do here. So we're not fans of people or brands. We are information seekers, is bipartisan. So join us in the independent thinker movement. We're so glad you're here. Speaking of which, I just want to say the Michael Jackson piece I did yesterday, I found myself in the middle of some very active research groups that are around the Michael Jackson cases. And that was surprising and also delightful. These people know a lot more. This is a story that continues to be reported, so we're going to stay with that as well, but not today.
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Clayton
Also, thoughts and prayers out to our friend Ian Carroll and hopefully the medical issues that he's been dealing with. He can quickly be on the mend for that. So love from us here at Redacted to our friend Ian Carroll. Ian, if you're watching, much love to you. Hopefully a swift recovery for you as well. Well, President Trump is going to China amid a massive trade war with Beijing. And you know it's bad when even Fox News hosts are upset with President Trump. Last night, Fox News host Laura Ingraham posted this on X. Mr. Trump and Xi Jinping are reportedly considering deal to allow China to invest 1 trillion in the US largely to build factories on American soil. Trump is on the verge of making a massive error against AIDS advice. Then she posted this, which is yet another reason why we should not be throwing the CCP a lifeline, referring to their sagging economy by giving them access to US Manufacturing, automobiles, food companies, tech companies or real estate. So on this flight to China, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, we've got BlackRock, Blackstone, Visa, I mean, you name it, all of them on this flight to China as part of this. I don't know what kind of mission this is right now to meet with Xi Jinping. This all comes as the US Dollar is collapsing. By all accounts. BRICS nations led by China and Russia of course, are offering countries another way forward, another way to settle transactions outside the US Reserve currency, the US Petrodollar. I don't think it's wrong to say I can be corrected. I, I like to be corrected. But I don't think it's wrong to say this could be the most important trip of Trump's presidency. As the world is running away from the US Dollar, here's economist Peter Schiff yesterday.
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J.J. Carroll
And the world is now pulling the rug out from under the US the dollar is going to collapse. The dollar is going to be replaced by gold.
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Clayton
Central banks are buying gold. They are to back up their currencies.
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J.J. Carroll
They're getting rid of dollars, they're getting rid of Treasuries. We are headed for a economic crisis
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Clayton
again that will make the 2008 financial
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J.J. Carroll
crisis look like a Sunday school picnic.
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Clayton
Yeah, look at the Fox News host. They're trying to cut them off. We can't say the economy's bad. President Trump's telling us it's great. Our next guest says China has us over a barrel. China has America cornered. Trump sanctioned them first enforced tariffs. Now he's running to them as this economy is shaky. Oh, and it's shaky, by the way. Just take a look at the bond market today in the Kobilisi letter talking about how bad things are getting. At the current pace, we're likely to see U.S. mortgage rates rising back over 7% this year. A lot of questions. Steven Hanke is the professor of Applied economics At the Johns Hopkins University, the author of Making Money, how to Rewrite the Rules of Our Financial System. And Steve joins us now. Steve, great to have you on the show.
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Steve Hanke
Good to be with you, Clayton.
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Clayton
Natalie, our pleasure to have you. We try to go beyond the headlines here and look beyond what sort of CNN and FOX News are sort of showing us at the moment. And it just seems odd, President Trump sort of running to China right now. How bad is it for the United States? And does China truly have Trump like over a barrel, so to speak?
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Steve Hanke
Well, to use President Trump's one of his favorite lines, who's got the cards? You know, and Xi clearly has the cards. Trump is in a difficult spot because he's, you know, the tariff man, of course, those terrorists that he imposed the first round of tariffs, the Supreme Court said that they were illegal. And now the second try, second bite of the apple, a federal court struck the 10% tariffs down. So he's got problems with tariffs and particularly with regard to China. So you can more or less forget the tariff threat activity in Beijing at the meeting. They're going to start on the 14th. The other thing is sanctions. Now, sanctions are essentially the same in the same family as tariffs. They're basically acts of war. So sanctions, what about sanctions? Well, a couple of weeks ago, they put sanctions on five small refineries, oil, oil refineries in China. And China finally struck back. They have a statute, a blocking statute they've had on the books since 2021. They've never used it. And the blocking statute basically said orders Chinese individuals and firms to ignore sanctions that are being imposed on them by the United States. So, so we've got two big things there that Trump is kind of disarmed about as he goes into the meeting. So that's one side of things. The other side of things is, of course, the fact that we have depleted our munitions or weapons stockpile in the United States due to the fact that we've been supplying weapons to Ukraine. And also obviously, we burned through a lot of weapons in the Iranian war. We have to replenish those. But to do that, you need critical materials, primarily rare earth minerals. And who controls over 95% of the rare earth? Well, China does. So basically, you're getting into national security zone here were to to replenish weapons that we've burned through, we're going to have to get permission from Xi. So I think Trump's basically going to be, as they say, tiptoeing through the tulips when he goes into Beijing. He's not, he's not going to be threatening and at all.
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Natalie
So can we. What do you make of his traveling companions? And it's reported he'll be taking with him Elon Musk, Tim Cook, Boeing executives, BlackRock, Blackstone, Visa, Qualcomm, all of these companies depend heavily on Chinese infrastructure, Chinese minerals, as you said. So you know, he may be walking in flanked by the business class that's now desperate to calm the war that he started.
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Steve Hanke
Well, this is very interesting because
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J.J. Carroll
that
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Steve Hanke
would suggest that the walls that Trump was trying to build between the United States and China, the business community wants us torn down. And of course China does, too, because since the administration took office last year and started threatening with all the tariffs and increasing sanctions on China, either primary or secondary sanctions, China has been opening up. They've been lifting a page from Adam Smith and the wealth of Nations. They actually have reduced their tariffs to most African countries that they import goods and services from to zero. So when you look at brics in the global south, what's happened is that China's opening up more. Opening up more and more countries are pivoting towards China. And if you look at the International Perceptions Index that just came out two weeks ago, China actually comes with a net plus score of 7. And the United States, in the last two years, our perceptions fallen from a plus 22% to, to a minus 7. Excuse me, excuse me. A minus 11. Not minus 7. US is plus. China is plus 7. US is minus 11.
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Clayton
Now, what do you make, Steve, of, of President Trump's. Well, what Laura Ingram, FOX News host, posted about Mr. Trump and Xi Jinping are reportedly considering this deal to allow China to invest $1 trillion in the United States, largely to build factories on American soil. She says he's about to make a massive error here. And there seems to be quite a few MAGA people who are very upset at this prospect. What do you make of this?
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Steve Hanke
I think this is very consistent with what I just told you before, that Trump's gonna be tiptoeing through the tulips when he goes to Beijing. He's not going to be calling the tune. He's not going to be running the show. The show is going to be running him. That's what's going to happen. And as far as investments in the United States and trade goes, I'm as someone who was Ronald Reagan's advisor and someone who's free market economist and a free trader, I think all the better for free trade. Get rid of all the sanctions at all of tariffs as far as I'm concerned, they've been a disaster and they backfired on the United States. Tariffs have been very bad for the United States and sanctions have even been worse.
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Clayton
And when you look at what's happening right now with the bond market, I know you just released a video on bonds specifically. And what's gonna happen here with interest rates in the United States and fears of inflation sounding the alarm again. I'll put this up from the Kobilisi letter just like about an hour ago. The US Bond market crisis is intensifying. While everyone is focused on AI in the Iran war, the US Bond market is in a complete meltdown. What happens next with bonds? What does this mean for the average viewer of our show?
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Steve Hanke
Well, the average viewer is going to be facing higher mortgage rates, that's the key thing, and higher interest rates on credit that they receive from loans they receive from a bank or their credit cards. So what we've got, the inflation number just came out this morning. It jumped from 3.4% per year to 3.8%. That, that's bad news. You're not going to get the inflation genie back in the bottle in the United States. I've been saying this for months and the main reason for that is that for the last 18 months the money supply has been accelerating. And the money supply is the thing that fuels inflation. And if it's accelerating, you're going to end up with more inflation. And that's exactly what we're getting. This will be really the Achilles heel for Trump is going to be inflation and the affordability problem. Inflation and the affordability problem. The 30 year bond went over 5% today. And that, that, that's bad news. The 10%, the 10 year bond went over 4.4%. And a 10 year is the key bond that all, all the interest rates like mortgages are all geared to the ten year. So the bond vigilantes have woken up, they've come out of hibernation. This is a very big deal because everybody's going on and on about the market's going up, the market's going up, the market's going up. Every day we have good news, the market goes up, we have bad news, the market goes up. What market are they talking about? They're talking about the stock market, the bond market. It's been bad news for the last three or four months, particularly after the war started in Iran. Look at that bond market. It started getting into trouble once the war started in Iran. So all these things have very negative feedbacks. And consequences that the administration simply hasn't thought through?
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Natalie
Yes. So is it then your assertion that the stock market is doing well because it's a perversion of belief systems but the bond market is telling the real story?
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Steve Hanke
Well, I think the bond market always tells the real story.
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Natalie
But then why is the stock market behaving this way?
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Steve Hanke
Do you think it, it's. I think the stock market is behaving this way because we're in a bubble. The stock market's been in a bubble for quite a while and there's a, there's a stock market mania going on. It's the AI mania. And if you have a mania going on, no matter what the news is, the market just keeps going up. Now, one thing that is interesting. If you're in a bubble, it's virtually impossible to, to indicate just when the bubble will pop or will it just dissipate slowly and fizzle out over time. We, that's very hard to determine. But there's one factor that is important that usually usually causes bubbles to pop, and that's when the monetary policy of the Federal Reserve tightens up. And right now, as I said when we were talking about inflation, it's not tightening up, it's loosening up. So that's one reason that accommodates the bubble. You see, you said. But why is the bubble going up? Okay, we have a mania, we have the AI mania, and that's part of the picture. But the fuel behind it, the liquidity behind it is the money supply accelerating and going up. Now, if the monetary authorities decide they've had enough of inflation, that's 3.8% now, their target is 2%. And if they start tightening up from where they are right now, then we will see what happens to the bubble and it might pop. That's, that's what, that's what they usually do when, when there's a pivot in monetary policy towards tightness, stock market bubbles pop.
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Clayton
Well, one of the smartest guests we've had here, Steve Hanke as the served as the economic senior economist on President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisors. And you know, I'm just troubled by the fact that most, like I was talking to Mark Wilburn from Neos Capital, he was saying he's seeing very similar, very, a lot of similarities to the dot com bubble with a lot of these stocks going parabolic around this AI mania that you're talking about. But if the Fed continues to print money and allow this to happen, do you think that this AI bubble could continue for another few Years.
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Steve Hanke
Yes, it could. But, Clayton, you're right on. It's that we. We had one of these bubbles before, and you put your finger on it. And when did that stop? It stopped when the Fed started tightening up, as these bubbles typically do. That, by the way, Clayton, that's the only accurate predictor of when a bubble is going to pop is when monetary policy starts tightening up. Everything else, we just don't know.
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Clayton
Yeah, that's fascinating. Well, Steve, it's been. Thank you for gracing us with your presence this morning. You elevated the IQ in the room by being here, so thank you so much.
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Natalie
May I just ask one more question? I know we have another guest. Something that I've been thinking about a lot is that as the AI bubble expands, it will replace a large portion of the workforce. How is the government going to respond to losing taxpayer slaves? And I've seen the World Economic Forum and other financial groups say, well, we're going to have to start some kind of fund that the working people pay into because it will support everyone who then is outsourced by AI. Is that doable? What do you think? How do you think governments will respond when the work is done by non taxpayers?
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Steve Hanke
Well, I think the thing, Natalie, this is a fairly complicated question that you're raising, and I think that the common narrative is very misleading. AI will displace some workers, but then the question is, well, where are those workers going to go? They'll go other places and do other work. So if you look at the thing in its totality, we might actually increase the demand for labor. Look at what happened, by the way, with agriculture at the turn of the last century. Agriculture. We had about 45% of the workforce. They were on the farm. And now you've got, what, 2 or 3% on the farm? Where did all those farmers go? Well, they started doing other things.
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Natalie
Okay, well.
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Steve Hanke
That were more attractive than farming.
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Natalie
Right.
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Austin Steinbart
Okay.
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Natalie
Well, we haven't lived it yet, so I was really interested in your perspective. Thank you so much. We said we'd let you go and then I kept you for longer. So thank you for your time.
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Steve Hanke
By the way, are you out in Denver?
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Natalie
We live in Colorado. Yeah.
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Steve Hanke
Well, you're speaking to someone. My first faculty position after I finished my graduate work at the University of Colorado. I'm a buff.
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Clayton
Oh, yeah.
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Steve Hanke
I was where I was at the Colorado School of Mines when I was 24 years of age and I've been following rare earths and minerals ever since.
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Natalie
Oh, amazing.
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Steve Hanke
The world's top mining school in the world. Is what the Colorado School of Mines.
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Natalie
Yes. And in fact, the high schools here train for the engineering programs there as well.
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Steve Hanke
Yeah, we've got a high schooler, first rate school.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Clayton
Well, and now all of the focus back on rare earths. Like it kind of went through its dormant period and now the focus is off the charts.
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Steve Hanke
You're speaking to the person. In 1967, I taught the first course in mineral economics that was ever taught at mines.
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Clayton
Wow.
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Natalie
Wow. You are really a pioneer.
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Steve Hanke
Yeah, absolutely.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Clayton
Well, Steve, Steve, pleasure, pleasure was all ours. Thank you so much for lending your expertise on this and we'll be watching it closely. People can follow your work as always. Steve, great to see you here. Thank you, Professor.
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Steve Hanke
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
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Clayton
Our pleasure. Our pleasure. All right. Coming up on the show, from the economy to what's happening with the government and they're putting their hands inside of our cars with that kill switch, the ability for them to. Hey, you've been driving too much this month. You've used up your carbon footprint too much this month. We think that you should not be able to drive because you have 10 days left in your month.
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Natalie
Right. How far can that go? Can it be you were, you know, not nice to your husband, so we think you're overly emotional. You can't drive.
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Clayton
I'd like that.
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Natalie
No, you wouldn't.
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Clayton
All right.
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Natalie
No, that's a bad thing. That's a cautionary tip. Clayton.
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Austin Steinbart
Yeah.
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Natalie
You should be able to be a brat to your husband whenever you want.
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Clayton
Okay. Indeed. And that's no one, no one's stopping that. All right. Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a moment. Plus the government taking land around these data and these AI centers. Data centers. Why is this hard for me to say that? Data, AI centers. AI data centers. I want to talk about that, but first need to talk about a snack I genuinely wish I had found years ago. I'm a huge fan of these guys. I just ordered another two rounds of packages that just showed up at the house the other day. UPS delivered them. I'm a huge fan of these clean chips. Better for you. Snacks from Masa Chips. They are made with three ingredients. That's it. Corn, sea salt and grass fed beef tallow. That's it. There's no seed oils. There's no mystery chemicals. Just real food, the way it used to be made. And once you know that, you can't go back. They are crunchy too. They're like, you know, the other ones that kind of fall apart. No, no, you can dip them into guacamole salsa and these things will hold all of your dips. Yes. Good for you. Snacks Masa chips is nothing like eating regular chips. With Masa, you feel satisfied. The light and energetic. No crash, no bloat, no gross sluggish feeling afterward. It's the kind of thing that once you try it, you wonder why you ever ate anything else. And because these chips are made with real food, they're more satiating so you won't find yourself uncontrolled, probably eating bag after bag after bag. We've all done that back in the day. Personally, my favorite chip is the white one. The which kind of it's like similar to like when you go to like a Mexican restaurant, the type of tortilla chips they put out on there. Really, really light. I love their chips. Anyway, don't try them. Don't. Don't sleep on these right now. Give them a try right now. Go to masachips.com redacted news and use the code redacted news to 25% off your first order. And one thing to know, because Masa uses real ingredients and makes everything in small batches, certain flavors go out of stock regularly. I just, yeah, I had a hard time getting my hands on the white ones the other day, but they got back in stock and I ordered them again. So go to masachips.com redacted news use the code redacted news for 25% off or click the link in the video description. Or you can scan that QR code right there on your screen. So thanks to Masa, you're on a GLP1.
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Natalie
Well, Congress just voted down an effort by Representative Thomas Massie to stop enforcement of a controversial provision buried inside the 2021 infrastructure bill that will require new vehicles to issue advanced impaired driving prevention technology. Now what does that mean? It means the government and car makers can monitor drivers in their own cars. The law specifically describes systems that can passively monitor drivers behavior, detect possible impairment and prevent or limit motor vehicle operation if impairment is detected. Now supporters say this is just about stopping drunk drivers, high drivers, by a passive monitoring system. Critics say the language goes much further than that. And the law specifically allows for technology that's capable of monitoring driver behavior and legal limiting vehicle operation, which is why opponents have dubbed it the kill switch mandate. Now, Massey introduced an amendment to block the federal funding for implementation implementation of the program, but the House rejected it. Republicans and Democrats joined together to keep the mandate moving forward. Here's a roll call. So what does that mean? How much monitoring could eventually be built into American cars? And are Americans being conditioned to accept constant surveillance inside their cars? And then what's next inside other private spaces, perhaps our homes? Joining us now is Ben Swan. He's an independent investigative journalist and the CEO of Truth in Media. He's been reporting on this. Nice to see you, Ben. Thanks for being here.
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McDonald's Advertiser
Thanks for having me on, guys.
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Natalie
Okay, so play out. Let's, let's go all the way. Dystopia. What is the worst that could happen with this? Let's just.
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McDonald's Advertiser
We're already there. We're already there.
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Natalie
We're here.
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McDonald's Advertiser
Listen, I think if you look at the kill switch bills, it's being called. The concept is, look, there's a way. If you're driving drunk, there are going to be sensors all over your car, right? It's detecting eye movement. It detects whether or not you're falling asleep or you're distracted or your eyes don't focus or whether or not, you know, your pupils are dilated. That's the concept behind it. The problem is, is that in order to put this into place, it requires that you're going to fill the car with sensors that are monitoring your heart rate, it's monitoring your, your pulse, it's monitoring again your, your eye and your eye movement. And once all of those sensors are in place, there's nothing in the bill that prevents it from being used for a thousand other things. And we know for a fact right now that Ford has Filed patents specifically on AI detection software that essentially is going to be able to monitor whether or not you seem to be distracted or whether or not you're looking away for whether you're looking down, possibly at a phone. So they've already asked for patents on a bunch of this different kind of software that would be able to monitor you in a myriad of ways. Look, we all are smart enough here to understand, and I think your viewers are as well, that just because something is introduced into a piece of technology does not mean that it's required to be only used for one thing. And so there's no question that at some point, insurance companies will want to use this, the car companies, and even the government itself will want to use this to determine whether or not driving is a privilege and not a right in their minds. And whether or not you can be punished. No, not if your wife is bothering you so much. But how about if you're late on your taxes and you haven't paid your taxes? Or what about the fact that if you have, you know, parking tickets that you haven't paid, they're able to look at your car and say, you know what? We're going to disable the vehicle so you can't drive. There are a lot of different ways that that can be used, and I think that we're expecting to see. I'm expecting to see in the very near future it being used in that way.
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Clayton
Well, Ben, here's one thing. I trust these companies to keep this data private. I think that they're gonna be really good stewards of our data. They're not gonna share this with any government entities. Nothing like a backdoor access like Facebook had or the CIA has with Facebook or Twitter. So I'm fine. I'm sure these companies will keep our data safe and secure, and it's just to make sure that we're safe on the road. It's all about our safety, Ben.
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McDonald's Advertiser
It's all about safety. Right. It's all about making sure that we do not have drunk drivers on the road. The funny thing is this about the drunk driving part of it. There are already breathalyzers that are attached to vehicles for people who have been convicted of drunk driving, where they have to breathe into that breathalyzer before the car will start. If it was really about drunk driving, why not just make that the mandate? Every car has to have a breathalyzer attached to it, and you have to breathe into the breathalyzer before the car starts. I wouldn't agree with that. I still think that's a violation of people's civil liberties. But it makes more sense if your actual agenda here is to prevent drunk driving. Just attach breathalyzers to every car. But instead, actually, nothing about this bill that prevents specifically drunk driving, nothing about the bill prevents you from getting behind the wheel and duping the system. But one of the concerns that some people have, and we've seen a lot of videos online about people, by people about this, is the fact that there's no guarantee that the vehicle will properly diagnose whether or not someone is inebriated or whether or not it might be 100 other things. Is your heart rate too high or up because you just witness something, or you're being chased by someone and the car won't start because it's a danger for you to drive in this state. We don't know, and who knows, you know, how this will impact ultimately. But we know this. We know that if you use any AI programming right now, AI is not without flaws. It does not read things correctly, and it makes determinations that may not be accurate. So enabling vehicles with technology that, that disable it or make it unable to function or start based on kind of a strange set of categories. It seems like not only problematic, but again, at the end of the day, whose car is it? Is it your car or is it the government's car?
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Clayton
I mean, let's be honest, it's all about control. To back to your point, about not paid your taxes, it's all about control. It's about, they don't want us on the road. They want us, they want to control. They wanted to control us, they want to control our movements and they want to have surveillance of it. Look at all these flocking cameras that are popping up everywhere. This is all about surveillance and control.
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Natalie
Well, let me just play a bit of devil's advocate, because I'm a mom of three, there's nothing I wouldn't do to keep drunk drivers off the road. But I also know that the data shows that drivers who drive while they're tired are equally as dangerous. And this is not. And this doesn't address that. And I also understand that usually it's not the government that will solve problems like this. So when you think about, you know, okay, how do we actually make driving safer? It seems that the private market is actually addressing that quite adequately, because every generation of cars is safer than the last. What do you think of that?
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McDonald's Advertiser
No, I think that's absolutely true. But again, the question is, so if it's just the private market, there would be an argument to be made for, well, private companies may say, well, we want to do this right. We want to install sensors and cameras all over your vehicle. We want to be able to remotely disable it. I mean, Tesla can already do that. Many of the electric vehicles can already do that. So is it a question of, to me, of whether or not it's just a private market solution, or is it a question of fundamentally who owns what property? Right. If I buy a car, I pay off that car. I should have the right to drive that car. If I drive that car drunk and I'm caught doing that, I go to jail. That's the consequence for breaking the law. But the problem is we're slipping into this kind of fake dystopian pre crime concept, which is we're going to catch you before you do it. And the problem with, with any kind of pre crime concept, just watch Minority Report, is that it's not always accurate, first of all. But secondarily, not only is it not necessarily accurate, but then it spreads into so many other categories. And the thing is, it's very easy to make the argument because this is what politicians do, right? They always make some argument based on some, well, we want to stop. Don't you want to stop drunk drivers? Don't you want to protect the kids? Can't we just save the kids? And that's always the concept, right? Oh, yeah, that sounds great. But the truth is, at the end of the day, when this technology is instituted and it's supposed to start in every new car made after 2026, I would be willing to say in the next five years, you probably won't even see a decrease in the number of drunk drivers on the road. Because first of all, if you're going to drive drunk, you just won't drive one of these vehicles. It doesn't retrofit every car that's out there. All it does is create surveillance on every new car that's being designed and being made.
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Clayton
Yeah, and it's usually the people that are not doing those things. You know, it's like the gun owners, they get punished for it.
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Natalie
Clayton thinks that we won't see humans driving in the span of a decade because insurance companies are already incentivizing you to use full self driving on as many cars as they want. You're getting discounts from it. There's a new program called Lemonade that gives you money back for as much as you don't drive.
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Clayton
Yeah, 50% discounts. So it's like already being baked in and encouraged. Like we, well, it's, you know, these full self driving cars are like eight to 10 times safer than humans. So. And insurance companies are already pushing people in that direction. So I think in like a decade you're going to see very few human beings. Once the new cars are really fully on the roads, you're going to see very few human beings driving anymore. It's going to be crazy.
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McDonald's Advertiser
I think that's true. You know, down here in Miami, if you go around downtown Brickell, any of those areas, it's all waymo, right? It's all those, they have all the cameras, you know, hooked up around them. And pretty soon I would agree with you, probably within a decade a lot of these Uber gig jobs won't even exist anymore. Right. Because it'll all have gone to the robots. And even if you look at Tesla vehicles, I know a few people who own Teslas with the self driving feature. They just sit in the car and it drives for them and it ultimately determines the time they're getting to where they're going. So to me, the right to travel and that freedom is such a fun, fundamental American right. And I think we take it terribly for granted. You look at other countries around the world where, you know, you have to have papers to travel. We saw that in the past in the Soviet Union and in many places in Eastern Europe where that kind of control, it wasn't that long ago, just a few decades ago that this existed. And I think we're fast losing that and we're going to call it safety and they'll try to price it out. And I guess, Natalie, this would be my criticism of the private market is that the private market has the ability to also couple with government to eliminate things like that by saying, well it's better for insurance companies. Well, the car companies like it better. Well the car manufacturers like it better. And if all the private market kind of colludes together to eliminate this ability for you to drive and prices you out of the market, they can do so pretty easily.
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Clayton
Yeah. Well this is where capitalism can come in, right? You have car manufacturers that will put commercials out there. Be like, we think you, you should be able to drive. You know, come over here, come over here to Clayton's car company where you get to drive. The problem I have the hang up in all of this is, is if, if I'm not driving, why am I paying insurance? Let the, let the, let Tesla pay the insurance. What the hell, I'm not doing anything.
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Natalie
Tesla does have their own insurance.
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Clayton
Tesla has their Own insurance. Yeah. And so they almost. So our insurance companies, you'd think insurance companies would be like, wait a second, you know, like maybe we don't want this. Oh, boy. Well, it's the same thing. Like why, you know, get flow of oil has just happened and now gas prices are still staying high. Like something's going on here. We're being price gouged. Ben Swan, great to see you. We know you have to run. Thank you so much for staying on top of this story. We'll be watching it closely here. And Thomas Massie once again fighting the good fight to try to protect civil liberties. But in the end, you know, big money wins out in all of this. Ben, great to see you as always.
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J.J. Carroll
Thanks, guys.
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Clayton
Thanks so much.
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McDonald's Advertiser
Thank you.
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Natalie
All right.
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Clayton
All right. Coming up, we're going to talk about AI data centers and imminent domain and the power companies now basically able to take over your home in favor of putting in these AI data centers because what, because of national security. Because these things are just like getting on a highway and they need to put a highway there like they used to and they would take your home for that. We're going to talk about this and the rise of these massive, massive, loud, low humming AI data centers in a moment.
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Clayton
all right, hey, get in your questions now. Thank you. Wow. Jewel Prague. Thank you for your $1,000. Holy smokes.
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Natalie
Oh, that's incredibly generous. Thank you so much.
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Clayton
Wait, that's jewels, though. That's not dollars. Dollars don't equate jewels.
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Natalie
It says USD.
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Clayton
I was like, all right. Well, all right. Thank you. Thank you for your. Thank you for your $1. I think it says. Anyway, maybe I'm reading it wrong, but anyway, thank you for your kind donation to the show.
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Natalie
We have equal enthusiasm for one and $1,000. Thank you so much.
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Clayton
Thank you so much. And Ashnel, thank you for your $20. Super chat says I'm in PA three whistleblowers with receipts on the GOP bonus mentality and my termination. Okay, thank you. I'm in PA third district whistleblower with receipts on the GOP bonus. So it looks like the. Yeah, looks like the conversion rate is $0.01 per Ruby or jewel. Oh, okay, okay. So I know what these jewels. Where did that come from? All right. Anyway, thank you for your jewels. I don't know where. When did YouTube add jewels? I don't even know what that is.
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Natalie
I don't know.
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Clayton
Thank you.
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Natalie
But I like it.
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Clayton
Appreciate it. Thank you for Your feedback and get in your questions now about these AI data centers. We've got two great guests we're going to talk to about this in a little panel discussion here because we keep hearing the human crime. More and more people complaining about this. People who live in communities around the country are now complaining about this low hum, this buzzing noise of these massive, massive AI data centers that are being built near their homes. Take a list. I would go insane. I would go insane. Can you imagine that?
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Natalie
Well, it's kind of like a white
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Clayton
noise machine, but non stop, constantly. Can't even hear the birds. Like you'd just be hearing this low hum.
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Natalie
I just feel like anxiety about what possible radiation I may have exposed myself to just listening to this.
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Clayton
That. Yeah, I don't know. But your hearing is not the best in the world, so you probably wouldn't even notice it.
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Natalie
Well, that's rude and unnecessary.
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Clayton
But true. But the noise is one thing. Now governments are being accused, state governments and local power companies are being accused of seizing land as part of imminent domain. Yes, people's homes, in order to tear them down, build large data centers. Here's one Georgia resident who went viral this week saying her home is about to be taken for an AI data center. Watch.
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Natalie
Hey, you guys, my name's Ansley. I live in Coweta County, Georgia.
- [45:05]
Austin Steinbart
I wanted to come out here and
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Natalie
show you guys firsthand what is happening into our county. So as you can see behind me we have these power lines. Georgia Power is going to expand these lines to support power to the data center. What they're doing to homeowners is they're taking their homes. This is my childhood home behind me. It is being taken by force by Georgia Power. Homeowners in this county do not have a choice. It is called eminent domain and they will take it.
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Clayton
Unbelievable. Austin Steinbart is a social engineer, founder of the Quantum Party of America. Shannon Joy is an independent commentator and host of the Shannon Joy show and they both join us now. Great to see both of you. Thank you for being here again.
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Austin Steinbart
Thanks for having me.
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Shannon Joy
Clinton.
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Clayton
Our pleasure. Shannon, I want to start with you on the local communities piece of this and this displacement of families. Can they do this? I mean, you hear about governments taking homes for the expansion of highways or to put in a reservoir. But now AI data centers.
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Austin Steinbart
Well, there's been an expansion of the use of eminent domain. When Donald Trump signed the executive order, I think it was an emergency authorization. He declared an emergency in regards to the artificial intelligence arms race. And I think that that has Opened up a lot of doors. I mean, there are a variety of ways for these corporations that are tethered to the federal government and to the powerful class to come in and make a justification for seizing land. I haven't seen anything as blatant as what you guys have just played there in that clip, but it doesn't surprise me at all. The use of eminent domain has expanded over the past 20, 30 years. And Donald Trump was actually notorious for. Even before he became president, when he was a real estate developer, he was notorious for aligning with governments to force people off of their property using the justification of eminent domain. So this doesn't surprise me at all. And they probably have a variety of tools in their toolbox to shove people off of their land. It's pretty grotesque.
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Clayton
I mean, Austin, it sounds like. I mean, the idea of it being sort of like a national security. This is for national security. We need these AI data centers. That's really what they're almost like, what
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Shannon Joy
they're saying here, and that's the difficult part for local residents who are going and voicing their concerns is because once there becomes a national security thing on it, they can kind of just truck right through. The other thing that's happening, the other thing that's being talked about in the tech community here is they're pushing this idea that these people who are objecting to this, that they're being funded by some kind of other power, they're hinting that it's a foreign power. And in the past, they've used that silence activists, right? They'll get one person in there who's a nefarious character, and they'll use that to slap a foreign designation on them.
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Clayton
Right?
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Shannon Joy
They're a Russian agent, they're a Chinese agent. And then FBI can just. The legal doors open for them to just come in and destroy that movement.
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Austin Steinbart
And remember, Donald Trump used this tactic and technique in the lockdowns of 2020. It was the emergency declaration and the fact that it was a military operation that was deployed to lock us down in 2020 that opened the door to all of the abuses and the liability protection that practitioners had in hospitals and nursing homes. When they used Covid recommended protocols that came from the federal government, not only were they reimbursed for those protocols to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars, they enjoyed liability protection for any of the countermeasures, including the COVID shots, which have maimed and killed so many. But no one is being held accountable because of the emergency declaration. So it's no, it's no surprise to me that Donald Trump has deployed this exact same tactic again to unleash these horrifying, grotesque, monstrous data centers across this country on every American with no recourse whatsoever. It's disgusting.
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Natalie
And I'm specifically curious about the bed fellowship between private enterprise and the government. And what do you think this tells us about the, you know, what we often refer to as the technocracy? I'll let either of you respond to that.
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Austin Steinbart
Why don't you go ahead first? I said I don't want to go on and on, but you start.
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Shannon Joy
So the military industrial complex and the intelligence community, the COVID aspects of it in the past and organized around the kind of what I call the satanic bankster wing. And right now we are moving into the, like, breakaway tech bro wing. So the fact that that is the power, the most potent power of the military and the intelligence services comes from this wing of these technologies. So it becomes a very difficult thing to push back against once that happens.
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Natalie
Absolutely.
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Austin Steinbart
And it was very evident in the summer of 2024 when Donald Trump, when Bobby Kennedy Jr. Aligned with Donald Trump in those months, it was very obvious that that big tech, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel Palantir, Oracle, Google, they were all aligning around the president. And I reported to my audience at the time that it was clear to me that the tech oligarchs or the techno fascists had purchased Trump's presidency. They pushed him over the finish line. They put him and installed him in office. They dumped millions and millions of dollars into his campaign. And we knew, at least from my perspective, we knew even before he got into office that he was going to be a handmaiden for them and a Trojan horse for the techno fascism that we're seeing now.
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Clayton
They're literally on a flight with him right now to China. I mean, the head of Blackstone, blackrock, Visa, Oracle, I think Larry Ellis is there, Elon Musk, Elon Musk is there. Tim Cook, I think even Zuckerberg is on there.
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Natalie
Blackstone, Qualcomm, they're all on a flight
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Clayton
with him right now to China right now.
- [51:14]
Austin Steinbart
He's their puppet.
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Clayton
Yeah, I mean, Austin, one of the things you've talked about is this decentralization. And I've seen this pop up on social media over the past week, actually. And I thought, what is, what is this about? And this idea that instead of these massive data centers, there's a company that's popped up that is now sort of partnering with, I think, local power companies, you can correct me if I'm wrong, where homeowners can like almost put like one of those like Mitsubishi style air compressors on the outside of their house. And it's a small node that will power these data centers, but it will be decentralized. And so like if you have a neighborhood of 50 homes, instead of having one giant data center, those 50 homes would have these small like air compressor AC units on the side of their homes processing the data centers.
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Natalie
Doesn't that sound like the Matrix?
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Clayton
I know, it scares me. I mean they're selling it, Austin, as this idea. I don't know if you like it or not, but this idea that hey, we'll also pay your power bill, we'll pay your Internet and we'll pay your power bill, just let us stick this thing on the side of your house. Where do you come down on that?
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Shannon Joy
Well, I think the particular way they're packaging this, I think the particular company that's doing this, it's Span and Nvidia and Dell and some other people aggregating into this thing. I think the particular way they're doing it is not necessarily a very good deal for the homeowner. It's a big thing out on your front lawn. It has to be liquid cooled in their model, so it requires regular maintenance. And the economic benefits that are, they are reaping from that versus the economic benefits that they're giving you. Is it really a good deal? They're, you know, they could make 200,000 to $400,000 a year, generate in revenue off of that one box. And they're offering to give the homeown or we'll give you a free wi Fi and we'll pay part of your power bill. So this is seems like a panic play of them to, to move it to a decentralized situation. But I, so I will say I don't like that model. But I think the, the decentralization model in general is something that we should absolutely take a look at. So with these data centers there's a few main concerns, right? There's the power concerns, there's the water concerns, there's the noise and radiation concerns. And then they're, to me, the most important concern I have is the consolidation of all economic and political power on earth. So, so I think that is the, at least from where I'm saying, the top priority. And so what do we do about that? How do we push back? If they're building this massive machine, how do we push back against that? So I think we need decentralized compute. Not as in the way that they're doing it, but we need to add some stuff to our constitution. The right to decentralized compute and the right to run your own open source models. Open source isn't something that goes to a big main brain at a company. It's something you could run on computers at your house and you could tweak the model weights so how it thinks, how it processes, you could adjust that and you could circumvent these woke safety layers. Right, right now we have a Republican in office and so they're not going as hard on these woke safety. The safety layer is the thing that takes the answer I would give you. And it says, okay, if it's going to give you this answer, that is something that goes against the pieties of the day, then transfer this over here to this mental gymnastics matrix and serve that to you instead. Kind of like what they're doing with the trans stuff. Kind of like what they are doing with a lot of the other issues. So, so we in my mind, and I come from, I used to be a data center engineer. I look at the right to have your own open source compute as essentially the only way that ordinary people can push back on this centralized machine here. To me it's like the 21st century second amendment. Because think about it, what if just one brain and one computer controls everything? If, if that's the case, then all political and economic power is getting consolidated in one space. So, so I have a different model here. And obviously on the model that they're floating here, that, that is floating, hey, we're going to take those machines and instead of putting them all together on the grid over there, we're going to decentralize them, but we're going to still put them on the grid. So I'm, I'm working with a group right now. We're bringing out this thing called quantum energy. A lot of people, there's a lot of talk on the Internet about, you know, the Tesla model zero point, like the idea you can open up a portal to this other dimension in the universe and harvest unlimited energy. So we're going to be bringing out concept that could do that this year or taking it to mass market. And that is one of the things that I would take for decentralized compute to make sense. Because obviously a regular person, if you run, you know, few servers at your house, it's going to cost you thousands of dollars a month in power. So, so to make a decentralized compute model viable, you need to main two Main advancements. One of them is energy. And we're going to be taking care of that. We can have a box that you could put on your house that you could just pull unlimited energy out of the ether. You buy one time and now you have no power bills ever again. The other thing that they need is cooling, right? So that really treacherous noise that you hear, a lot of that is from the cooling systems. A lot of the water that they're drawing is from the cooling systems. So there's this other new innovation that's coming out. It's this molecular air beam technology that can essentially channel air particles the same way a laser channel channels photons. And so it's this really super novel and cool way to cool computers. So, so we would like to say, right, instead of everything centralizing into one thing and then, you know, consulting all economic and political power on earth, that every single person, they have their own energy unit and their own mini data center at their house. And we could put it in a case, right, that where it's not this incredibly loud treacherous noise like that that would be unbelievably irritating to me. And I'm sure it's all child animals too. It could be in a EMF shielded container. It would take no extra power drawn off your house. And what that would do would be two things. One of them, it would give you the ability to run your own open source computer. Because if you think about it like the idea of using AI to consolidate laws or to do a lot of the complicated things that our government really needs right now, in theory that sounds nice, but if it's done in a centralized way, it's good. It's a artificial neural net, right? So it's going to take the priorities, right? Okay, who's the most important oligarchs, who's the most important industries. And it's going to prioritize those people, people at the top and kind of put everybody else's interest to the side in the same way that the politicians are doing right now. So if everybody has their own compute, right, and that compute is, is advocating for your interests right now, all of a sudden it's not just turbocharging the centralization that we have now, it's decentralizing that power. So that's from a political power, that's one thing. And the second thing is right now those data centers, right, they are essentially taking, right that. That is going to the air, is going to swallow huge portions of the economy. And so when it does that, like what do regular people do if it's going to put, you know, like 50% of the country out of work. So what this would do is it allow you to, when you're not using it, which would be most of the time, contribute that power and that compute in a, in an aggregated way towards these frontier models. And it would allow the homeowner to reap the benefits of that. So I have a post on my Twitter or by my axe, excuse me, I still, I still mess that up, but essentially doing, doing the math out on this. So where a homeowner could buy a unit one time instead of having them pay for everything, like the homeowner would pay for it. So, so you could either get financing or you could pay for it out of pocket. It would cost about $300,000 and it would make 200 to $400,000 a year. So even if you went and got a zero down loan for, at a ridiculous interest rate, which, you know, obviously our interest rates are pretty high right now. So I was trying to be realistic in the calculation here. Between you could net. Between what you could make and what that would cost. Even with the payments on that thing, you could net 4,000 to $16,000 a month. And so think about that. Think about every single person in a suburban home that wanted to be able to participate in the future, that wanted to have, instead of AI being this dystopian thing that's consolidating all power and finances, have it be something that everybody could participate in and can kind of lend, lend that compute towards that you could make even with, with no money down, you could make $4,600 a month. And if you were to buy the unit outright, you could make, you know, 15 to $25,000 a month. That's, that's the economics on that. So that would allow everybody to share in the economic benefit that this is creating. And what else that would do is if they created some kind of nightmare artificial superintelligence that is going around wreaking havoc, you know, like, like Skynet style, that would, that would put everybody collectively right. They would have a piece of that compute that we could just turn our machine off. And now that the brain is pushed back on, the brain isn't out there just roaming free. So it would be a way to completely change the power dynamics of this whole situation here.
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Natalie
So exceedingly practical. Like, I feel like a lot of times on this show we sort of complain and then you're like, well, let's try this. I love that.
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Clayton
Shannon, would you. I mean, do you think the politicians, the powers the be, whatever, let this roll out, Would they be able to. Would they be able to stop it, do you think? I mean, they're going to go to great lengths to consolidate power to what Austin is saying?
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Austin Steinbart
Well, I guess that's the big question. I really love your vision of decentralized power, of allowing Americans to essentially become almost like homesteaders. I think that that could be a way for the regular people to decouple from the system or emancipate from the system. The question is, are they going to allow us to emancipate? And the answer is no, unless we fight back and unless we organize. And so I think what Austin is laying out is a really great alternative that people can accept and people can decide whether or not they want to participate in. From my perspective, I use a little bit of AI, but I have largely found it to be wanting in a lot of ways. And I think that there's also a movement across the United States of America and the world of people actually rejecting technology in certain aspects. They don't want the Big Brother surveillance cars. They don't want the Big Brother surveillance appliances. They don't want the government to collect all of our information. They don't want AI running courts, and they don't want AI doctors and AI hospitals. They don't want AI determining who is elected, the politicians that are elected, or whether we even have elections. They don't want AI governing. And so there is going to be a resistance, and I think it is natural and normal and actually healthy without actually throwing away artificial intelligence. We can use it for some things without throwing away technology. We also have to make sure that we throw away the types of technology and AI that are not good for humans. And so we're seeing. There are trends, I report on these on my show every single week, of people who are saying, you know what? This is more trouble than it's worth. We don't want what they are cooking up for us. And they do have an ambitious agenda, like, first we have to stop the technocracy, the techno fascists. They have committed a coup d'. Etat. They have taken over our government. It was never more clear than when Elon Musk went in under the guise of Doge and sucked up millions, if not trillions, of data points of every American. They went into Social Security, the Treasury Department, Health and Human Services, and literally vacuumed up trillions of dollars worth of private information. Donald Trump handed that on a silver platter to Elon Musk. It's why they're not fighting anymore. And they were never really fighting to begin with. But our job, I mean the reason they need these massive data centers is so that they can absolutely suppress and control and destroy humanity and do with humanity what they want. So they want the robot police and the drone surveillance, they want the bio surveillance. They want the tokenization of every living thing and every object on the face of the planet. They want all of your data regard from the moment of birth until your natural death. They want the digital id, the digital currency. So all of that needs a lot of compute. They need to process all of that so that they can use that and deploy it back on you so that they can surveil you and set up the 15 minute cities. They want all of the AI automation and I'm telling you, I don't want any of it. I want total decentralization. So I think that Austin's, his ideas are fantastic. We should start with local governments, local municipalities, your township, your village. I mean people now, if they're not organizing at the local level, from every corner of this country to get to their town board meetings and smash these. And by the way, these data centers, 50% of them have already been completely canceled or delayed because of local pushback. So the idea that this is inevitable, that resistance is futile, this is what Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and they would all like you to think, that this is just inevitable, that's absolutely false. We can move into the 21st century with reasonable amounts of technology and reject all of the rest. And I think that's the discussion that needs to happen in this country. And I think it's going to happen because people are freaked out by all of it. They think it's creepy. And I agree.
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Clayton
Do you think, Shannon, at the heart of it is a depopulation agenda? This is agenda 2030.
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Austin Steinbart
If they want. I mean, they see us as the herd. Imagine, imagine the people who run things. They view populations the same way an exterminator would view cockroaches or a farmer would view a livestock. If we're useful, they'll keep us alive. If we're doing what they're told within the, you know, corralled into whatever system they want us in, then they'll let us hang around for a little while. But if they want to call us, they will call us. If they want to vaccinate us, they will vaccinate us if they can. Right? And that is their dream. So I think the idea of, you know, mass depopulation maybe, I mean, these guys they're creepy. They all look crazy. I mean, Peter Thiel looks like death warmed over. He looks like a demon already. I don't even know why we allow these people into these positions of power. They're weird, okay?
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Clayton
And they have horrible halitosis, I can tell you, just standing. Oh my gosh. I'm just gonna share.
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Austin Steinbart
They have too much money, too much time. They have a God complex and they're running amok and we need to stop.
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Shannon Joy
So, so I run this organization, Quantum Party. And that's kind of the idea of that, is everybody goes independent and then we can pull from all sides and we can kind of have a realistic conversation about where this is going and how we're going to orient it in a way that, that takes care of everybody. So we want decentralized AI, we want to make it a hard set legal principle, like constitutionally embedded, that all of the data we generate is constitutionally our intellectual property. And so every time it's touched that they have to pay us royalties. And so I see that, as with this surveillance state, I don't see there to be like a very good way to push back against it besides to make it prohibitively expensive for them to do these dragnets on us. Right. If they had to pay us royalties every single time that it touched our data, whether that's the FBI, the nsa, whether it's Google, whether it's whoever, then all of a sudden it would get prohibitively expensive for them to do that. Obviously we, we have this amazing window. I think the Israel situation has kind of caused some of the left and right to drift together around baseline of anti war. And I think this stuff will continue to bring the left and right together. So if we can generate a massive movement that is like tech focused, right. What is the world about to look like and how do we make that an acceptable place for regular people? People? That's kind of what the Quantum Party is all about. We're all about decentralization. And how do we orient this technological world that we're going into to serve the people and have it be a rising tide that lifts all ships and have it also importantly, have it be something that you can opt out of. Right. If you don't want to be a part of that, you should not be dragged into that kicking and screaming.
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Austin Steinbart
I was just going to ask you that. That was going to be my question to you. There has to be that option. I live in upstate New York, Finger Lakes region of New York, and heavy, heavy Amish and Mennonite populations up Here. And so we have the farmers markets, and, you know, every so often we'll go and, you know, I'll talk to some of the Mennonite farmers or the Amish, and you get the sense that maybe they have it figured out. They're doing just fine. They're doing just fine. And we're kind of like, oh, my gosh, we need all the robots. And it's like, it does not have to be that complicated. But I like technology and so I like a little bit of it. So I love where you're going with this. That there is. We don't need their dystopian, nasty model of control and tyranny and totalitarianism. We can take this back. But you're absolutely right. We're gonna need Democrats and Republicans who are normal, insane, to kind of shed the fear of one another and come together because, you know, they put together an unholy alliance designed to suppress us, suppress our Constitution, crush our God given natural rights, and take everything for themselves. They want all of it, and we have to stop them. So I love what you're doing. I think it's really exciting.
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Natalie
Yeah. All right, well, Shannon, Austin, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it.
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J.J. Carroll
Yeah.
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Clayton
I love this discussion. Discussion.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Clayton
Thank you guys so much.
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Natalie
And especially because it's not an all or nothing type discussion. We've just had like, yeah, let's all be afraid and freak out.
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Clayton
So, yeah. Or let's. Let's all become Amish. Like, we don't necessarily have to.
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Natalie
I couldn't do that. If you want to.
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Clayton
Yeah.
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Austin Steinbart
I told my kids the other day I couldn't do the outfits. That's the only.
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Clayton
I know. I grew up in Amish country, not too far from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and so we see Amish on a regular basis. And. Yeah, look at. Look at how they handled Covid. Look how they handled. How they handle so many different things. So great to have you here. Maybe there's a good balance there. Austin and Shannon, great to have you both here on the show. We really appreciate it.
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Austin Steinbart
Thank you, guys.
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Shannon Joy
Thanks, Claire.
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Clayton
Thank you.
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Natalie
All right, coming up, we're gonna talk about mass deportations. What is going on with ice? Is it really as dystopic as the media would have you believe? Is it really what President Trump promised? Well, we're gonna talk to JJ Carroll, who has written books about it, who rejoined what is the.
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Clayton
He was 24 years Customs and border Patrol, and he just most recently joined ICE to come back into the force. And he was just terminated because they discovered that he had books and a podcast and had all of this information that was public. Suddenly they just decided to fire him. And now he knows what it's like on the inside. Right, going to talk about that next.
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Natalie
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Right.
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Clayton
Sleep well. This may come as a shock to most Americans, but there are no mass deportations happening in the United States of America. It's one of the greatest lies being told to maybe even MAGA supporters or people who voted for President Trump. This idea that there would be mass deportations across the United States of illegal immigrants, well, guess what? It's simply not happening despite the lies that they are telling. How do we know that? Well, we know that from insiders, specifically person who spent 24 years in the Border Patrol as a supervisor and most recently six months inside of ICE took the call from President Trump and his team to rejoin this process. And J.J. carroll is that person. He's not only a friend of the show, of course, he's an author, a massively successful author, a podcaster, a writer about all of America's immigration problems. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is no one in the United States of America who is a better expert on the current state of immigration in the United States than J.J. carroll. And we're thrilled to have him back on the show. And we should just point out jj. So you took the call, the call to go back in and help with this process, and you spend over the last six or seven months inside of ice after you spent 24 years serving the country and then took a few years off, but then went back in to ICE to try to help out, and you are no longer with ice. We should be very clear about this. But it's incredible story, and I just, I'm thrilled to have you back here on the show.
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J.J. Carroll
Well, thank you very much, Clayton. I appreciate being back and be able to talk openly as you allow me to do, and be very honest about my experiences. This is not anything that I come up with. This is all factually based in numbers. And I did. I went back to ICE as Donald Trump and Tom Homan called out former Border Patrol and ICE officers to go back to either Border Patrol and ice. And I went to Kansas City, Missouri, where I live outside of there, and I joined ICE and I was on the Fugitive Operations Teams team. Had over hundreds of arrests and within four months on that unit. And then my past caught up with me. Clayton, I'm not the average guy that gets rehired out of law enforcement, which. This is an anomaly. This does not happen anywhere in law enforcement, especially federal law enforcement. So I have a history. I have books, documentaries. I have a successful podcast. I get paid for writing on Substack. So the federal government finally caught up to me and said, hey, you can't work here anymore. You have outside employment. And to my.
- [75:28]
Steve Hanke
To.
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J.J. Carroll
To. To my upsetness, if you will, if that's a word to say, well, hell, how did you not know this? Right? This is a boondoggle. The rehiring before.
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Clayton
Before we start. You testified before Congress, and because of your expertise, you've. You've written multiple books on the invasion of the United States through the illegal immigration pouring across our borders. You've done multiple documentaries, you had a podcast. You've been on our show countless times. You've Been on Fox News countless times. So this idea that they didn't know any of that when they rehired you into ICE is just garbage.
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J.J. Carroll
It is. And it's not the officers in ice, it's the attorneys. It's the human resources. And I understand that. I understood that going in. And I told you off camera, every day my routine was I'd get up at 4:30 because I had to be out with my fugitive operations team by five in the morning to sit on the target to murders and rapists and child predators that we arrested every single day. And I would look at my phone, my government phone in my government vehicle and say, did I get fired today? And I would look at my phone and go, okay, I didn't get fired today because of my past. Then let's go. Let's go do God's work and start arresting people. And I want to say this too. The men and women working in ICE that I worked with are the most professional, had the highest integrity, were absolute professionals at the highest level. They are excellent, excellent. And I cherish my time working with those men and women on ice, and especially the men that I worked with on the fugitive operations team was incredible. But just like Greg Bovino saying repeatedly, the commander at large in the Border Patrol, and I'm telling you, because I've been in Border Patrol and I've been in ice, there is no mass deportation. This. Everything that we are doing to rid the 50 plus million illegal aliens from our nation has to be overhauled. And the clock is ticking. I mean, Donald Trump, his second term is almost halfway through, and if we don't change things immediately, we are going to lose america because those 50 million illegal aliens plus are having children five times the rate of our women. And it is basically a numbers game, and we're gonna lose.
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Clayton
So when you told me this, and that's why I wanted to have you on, because, you know, I think we hear about Trump's reelection, the mass. You hear about all the news reports, of course, about ICE and the clashes in Minneapolis and all of this, you think, my gosh, ICE is out there, they're doing by the tens of thousands and they're rounding up illegals, and we're gonna get rid of this 50 million number pretty quickly. But no, not even close. Not even a drop in the bucket, sadly. And as President Trump heads towards the midterm elections and his polling numbers right now are absolutely in the toilet, thanks to everything that's happening in the Iran war and God knows what else. So this clock is ticking faster than ever before. And his ability to try to round up 50 million illegal immigrants is running out right before our eyes. Would you say that's true?
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J.J. Carroll
Well, let's look at the numbers, Clayton, because the numbers do not lie. Per Donald Trump, we are arresting, ICE is arresting and deporting anywhere from 1000 to 1200 people a day. Okay. Over a year, we're looking at about 400,000 and change, maybe about 400 and a quarter. We have 55 million legal immigrants in America. The government, if you trust the government, and I do not, absolutely do not, but let's use their Data. They claim 1 to 2% of those 55 million abscond and become, we call overstays. They overstay their visa, thus become illegal aliens. We are arresting, deporting 400,000 ish out of our country every year. We are allowing in over 500 to 800,000. If you listen to the government of people that are becoming illegal aliens, we are still at a net negative every year on illegal immigrants. This has to change. There has to be a moratorium on all immigration, legal and illegal. Look, I tell you, Donald Trump, the greatest border president in the history of the United States of America, nobody's even close to being second. However, the interior has to be addressed. It has to be addressed right now. And what we're doing as ice, and I say we because I was a part of it, is not working. Working. It's not working. Clayton, let me give you an example. So I would go out with a fugitive op team and they are absolute patriotic people. I have never seen this level of violence in my 24 years in law enforcement. And I took down El Chapo Guzman's drug loads on the Pacific coast. I battled MS.13 at 2 o' clock in the morning on ATV unit in Tijuana border. I have never experienced this level of violence by illegal aliens and from US citizens trying to thwart our ability to arrest these people. But say we arrested 10 people, it would take those 10 people, it takes us about two or three hours to process them, Clayton. Two or three hours of mind numbing paperwork for an illegal alien that has already been deported five, six, ten times. Everything that we're doing to deport people is, is ineffective. And, and saying that is a gross understatement. I would change everything. And you and I, and this is not someone that's looking through the 2020 lens and saying I, you know what, we should do this. No, if you go back to the, to your graciousness allowing me to be on your show, you and I discussed this many, many times where I said before I went into ice, this is not working and this is why it will not work and why it's not working. So I have been saying this, this is not new. I'm just now have validation, if you will, by being inside the beast to look at you and say everything you and I discussed many, many times prior is absolutely the truth, factually been verified that there are no mass deportations. And it is not because of the ICE officers. It's because the Democrats and Republicans have systematically destroyed the immigration system, the pipeline of moving people. And there's no infrastructure, there is zero infrastructure to move 50 million people out of America.
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Clayton
So both Democrats and Republicans have stonewalled this. That's been the great lie about all of this, right? Is that, oh, it's. Democrats are anti. They, you know, whatever. They're all the same, Democrats and Republicans, and they've destroyed, as you point out, the infrastructure to facilitate the, the arrests. The speediness of getting these individuals was out of the country. So you guys are processing 10 people after spending hours sitting on targets, arresting these people, then filling out paperwork. How many ICE age? Well, I guess, I mean we can reverse engineer the math here, but like how many ICE agents would it take? What would it take from a bureaucracy overhaul to like make this anywhere nearly close to efficient?
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J.J. Carroll
You're never going to do what the ICE officers say. I want you to take. Let's say you have a field office of 100 people, okay, 75 of those hundred are not in the field, Clayton. They're doing paperwork. They're doing administrative paperwork to get these people on planes and fly and get them out of our country. Only a quarter of the ICE agents are actually doing street work. This is the anomaly. There's no more. There's no more Greg Bovino with the green machine going out there and going to city to city. It's ineffective. Everything's wrong. If you want to do this right, you have to create an agency outside of DHS that is called the deportation agency. You, you have military units deployed to that. You hire men like me and Greg bovino. Buy a hundred, two hundred of us, make us commanders at large and give us 100, 200, 300, 500 officers through the military and ICE and supplement them through the border patrol. And we go out there and we systematically root our country out out of these people and we make it impossible for them to live. But we don't have the political will because they, the Democrats get voting rights and get Their power and wealth from illegal aliens. The Republicans are so gutless. Speaker Johnson is so spineless. The Pencil. John Thune. I call him the Pencil because he has the charisma of a pencil. John Thune hasn't passed any bill to help us. Nothing. Zero. They're complicit in all of this. And why I'm so angry is. And I'm energized about this is because I just came from working with men that are patriots, and they are getting. In my first two to three weeks on the job as a fugitive operation guy, I saw two of my officers get attacked and attempted murder on their lives. Did those people go to jail? No, no, no. We live in an alternative universe. It is the most violent time to be a law enforcement officer in America, and it is the most violent time to be an ICE officer. With all of the hatred, the vile slander from the Democrats in the left that we're not qualified and we're not real law enforcement. I mean, I don't even know where they come up. It's slanderous. They should all get sued for this. But America needs to understand 55 million illegal. 50 million to up to 100 million illegal aliens are in America right now. That's the new number they're trying to throw out. We have a net positive of illegal immigrants in our country every single year, having birth rates five times that of our native. Our native women. We are looking at a math problem that will destroy the demographics of America forever.
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Clayton
Do you think that President Trump understands this math problem?
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J.J. Carroll
Does.
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Clayton
Does Tom Holman understand this math problem? They can do as many Fox News hits as they want and talk on Fox News all the time about this arrest in this town and this is what we're doing. But at the end of the day, they don't have the resources. Are they aware of it?
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J.J. Carroll
They must be aware of it because they got rid of Greg Bovino. Why would you get rid of Greg Bovino? The commander at large that had a Border Patrol unit with him and was basically going and arresting people out of city after city after city. But there needs to be not one Greg Bovino. There needs to be 100 or 200 of those units run by men like me and him and guys that have been in the service for 20, 30 years that know what the hell is going on and that will go ahead and do it in a professional, civil way, but will enforce the law in the most use of force, level of violence necessary and needed to get the job done. And then we have to have U.S. attorneys in our back pocket, meaning assigned to us, that when we get assaulted, they immediately, immediately arrest and prosecute these people. The idea, Clayton, that average, average normal American citizens can drive their cars into ice, officers throw stuff at us, yell at us, threaten to kill us, and nothing's done. Nothing's done to them. Do you know the wear and tear on a man's body and psyche to go to work every single day and have the threat of being murdered every. And this is not hyperbole. This is the truth, Clayton. Look, I'm a guy that has been through it. I'm not fearful at all. I am telling you, Clayton, I would drive from my house to the first target and make my first arrest. And I would not stop praying until I got to my first place. And then my mind would change and then I would go full in with my guys. But I was praying as a Catholic, I was praying to my God. And this is my prayer, Clayton. Please, God, keep my guys and my unit and me safe today and allow us to be reactive and do what's necessary to affect the arrest. I never had that mindset in 24 years. Arresting the quotes, the worst of the worst in six months. I said that prayer a million times because that is how violent it is. That is how vile the Democrats are and how gutless Republicans are. That there is a new environment within the United States of America, that the illegal aliens feel so emboldened that they don't have to listen to anything that we say. They can ram us with cars, they can try to shoot us, throw things at us, and then we have our own American citizens driving by. I can't tell you out of the hundreds of arrests I had, Clayton, this happened to me every single time. I would have literally, literally handcuffed a murderer. I'm standing on the street corner with a murderer that ran away from me. And I have Karens driving by cursing me out. And I'm looking at them almost perplexed, like you're. I'm the enemy. I just arrested somebody that was murdering people in your community. It was maddening and is still maddening. And my heart goes out to those men that are on the fugitive operation teams across America. They deserve to be called patriots and lionized for their efforts, not demonized by our politicians and the gutless people in America that are doing everything they can to help illegal aliens. It's maddening.
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Clayton
It's unbelievable to me. What would the numbers look like in order to right this ship? What would ICE need? What would the Border Patrol need in order to try to write this ship apart from the lawyers piece which you mentioned.
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J.J. Carroll
But I would do. I would do things. I would do five or six things immediately. Number one, I would create an agency outside of dhs. You have to Tom Holman run it. I don't care. But it's an agency outside you now bring in the United States military. I don't care. Special forces, whatever you have. How about we get them out of all across the nation, bring them to America, have them go under the immigration and enforcement apparatus and model. You hire guys like me and Greg Bovino by the hundreds. You bring them in. Then you. You do executive order meaning you get rid of all the administrative paperwork. All of it. I should as an immigration officer have. We have the ability to scan their retinas and their face and say you're an illegal alien. I check a box to where they're and I check a box and then I drive them to the military operator that is is attached to me and he drives them to C130 sitting on the plane tarmat. And they. Once that plane is filled with Mexicans, Guatemalans, Ukrainians, Nigerians, whatever, they fly them out of here. That's how fast they needs to happen. And if you have 100 of those Greg Bovino units, then those people will begin to self deport in conjunction with. You make it impossible for people to hire illegal aliens. You make it impossible for illegal aliens to. To open bank accounts and you make it impossible for them to work. And then you get them the hell out of our country. Clayton, we have a infrastructure that is dying right now. We have an infrastructure built for 340 million people. It is servicing 450 million. What if I got rid of 50 million illegal aliens? Do you think we'd have a housing crisis? Do you think we'd have overcrowded schools? Do you think our health care system would not be crumbling amongst us? You think our infrastructure, roads, sewers, etc. Would not be dying? Well, do you think there's a correlation between the number of illegal aliens and legal immigrants in our country to our infrastructure? And bottom line is I want foreigners out of my country. If you think America is doing well now, you're a. You're a fool. And there's a direct correlation between the massive amount of foreign agitators that hate America? Let me be very clear. The people that I arrested hate America. Hate them.
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Clayton
How would the military component be? I'm sure there would be. People say jj, I love. I love exactly what you're saying. Except the. The Civil liberties piece of this. Like, you know, what kind of due process will we have? We're just rounding up random people. You're doing retina scans or throwing them on an airplane. Are American citizens going to be wrapped up in this dragnet? You know, it sounds like something out of Nazi Germany. You're going to hear that. And then the military component, right. That this is something you'd see all over television, like, you know, boots on the ground, United States military walking down. By the way, hand of the heavens. I've been saying this for years on the show. Get 50,000American soldiers out of the Middle east and put them in the United States of America and start to assist with this process of securing our country again, just like Colonel Douglas MacGregor has been saying on our show as well. So I'm on that side of it. But what would that look like logistically? I mean, how many? We're talking hundreds of thousands. What would you say?
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J.J. Carroll
I would say tens of thousands of those officers. Because they are going to be the logistical markup of this. Of this new agency. They're going to be. I would hire a general that has wartime experience, and his. His expertise is logistics. How do you move a hundred thousand military men 7,000 miles with food, water, etcetera? You're now in charge of developing the system that moves 50 million illegal aliens onto C130s and flying out of here. And those C130s go non, stop, non stop. And then if we have to charter planes, we got to do whatever we got to do to do it. The idea that we're arresting US Citizens is absurd. This is how it goes, Clayton. I know someone's illegal. If I go up to them and they say, hey, which has happened. Hey, I have a residential. I'm a legal resident alien. I have status. Okay, show me your card. Because you're. By law, you have to show me your documents. They show it to me, I scan it. I look at it. Good. Thank you very much, sir. On your way. I'm a US Citizen. I was born so and so. Here's my id. Thank you very much. Have a great day. Oh, you're from Mexico. You're from Sudan. You're from Senegal. Okay. You're illegal. You're under arrest. That's how it works. The idea that we're arresting and deporting US Citizens, I could tell my son, one of his teachers says ICE is deporting Americans. And I asked my son, son, where do I deport a US Citizen? And my son's looking at me like, complex. It's like, well, I don't understand yet. Well, your father. Just tell your teacher that your father just arrested somebody from Indiana. That was in case. In, in Kansas. And I just deported them back to Indiana. You see how absurd this is?
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Clayton
And ultimately, rather tell your teacher, no, my father just arrested a murderer in a neighborhood like that's who is from, you know, here illegally. And I sent them back.
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J.J. Carroll
I mean, it's, Listen, it has to happen. The military, we have to go all in. This is. I, I want your audience to also understand something. And I don't say this with any malicious. I'm just telling you the, the factual truth through my 24 years and now my time in ice. And I know this to be a fact. We have imported tens of millions of people from the continent, Africa, the Middle east and Latin America. Latin America has an average IQ of under 80. There are people, there are groups of people in the Middle east that's around 70, and then Africa, especially Sub Sahara, are under 70. Why that, why is that important? Because 70 is the demarcation of. For being medically deemed medically retarded intellectually. I am telling you, the people that I have been arresting are beyond the retardation level. They don't know how to spell. They don't even know how to communicate. Like I'm asking a question, like, simple question, what's your name? And there's a hesitation because they don't know. They don't know how to articulate it. There's a disconnect intellectually. We are looking at a nation, a United States of America, with tens of millions of people that would be medically deemed retarded intellectually. And that is not being mean or malicious. I'm just telling you the facts. How does that bear for the United States of America in the present and the very near future? Not well. Not well at all. No.
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Clayton
And they're receiving government subsidies to set up things like the leering center instead of the learning center. And then we're like, we're giving them government grants and subsidies and money, American taxpayer dollars, in order to teach our children through learning centers. I mean, Somalian learning center. Give me a break. Oh, my gosh. I mean, is anyone in this administration willing to grab this thing by the ball, so to speak, and run with it? I mean, I know Tom Holman, certainly, but he's at the mercy of whatever he's given at this point. And I don't know that the Trump administration seems like they've kind of fallen back and gotten weaker on this issue because of all the bad publicity from Minneapolis and other places. So they've sort of fallen backwards on this. Do you think that there's any kind of, I don't know, cojones inside the Trump administration to carry this out anymore?
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J.J. Carroll
I say this with great sadness because I hold Donald, President Donald Trump, in the highest regard as a Border Patrol agent because he shut the border down. He was the greatest president I ever worked for in the United States Border Patrol, period. With that said, I have inside direct knowledge that the lack of arrest, the slowdown, if you will, the, the capitulation comes from the top, from him to slow down after a minute, after the Minneapolis, whatever you want to call that, we should have never pulled back. Should we have done Minneapolis differently?
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Clayton
Sure.
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J.J. Carroll
Hindsight's 20 20, but why are we pulling back? Why are we allowing illegal aliens to have a foothold in our country? You don't think this is going to play out? How do you think. How do you think people that were illegal aliens that are now in the House of Congress? Dalio Ramirez, illegal alien, anchor baby from Guatemala, is in the House of Congress. Ilhan OMAR, immigration fraud. J.D. vance openly stated she is 100% committed immigration fraud. Well, J.D. vance, I have a question for you, sir. Where are your brass balls? Why can't you start making arrest of someone that committed immigration fraud? That's a felony. Why are. We have felonious people in our positions of authority. We have people that literally have wet feet, meaning they just got off the boat and they walked into the House of Congress and they're a congressperson. This will have detrimental effects in the United States of America. Why? Clayton? Because in less than four years, we have the 2030 census and they will count every single, every single illegal alien and you will see a flipping of the House of at least 60 seats to the Democrats and then the game is over. That's why the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep them in our country.
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Clayton
Yeah, 100%. I just interviewed Peter Schweitzer a few months ago here on the show, you know, about the systemic plan. I mean, it was all, it's all laid out there. Let's just, you know, that's all part of the plan, of course, and it is to replace it is to make sure that they have seats in Congress. It's all part of the plan. If you don't think it is, you know, you're fooling yourself at this point. JJ I wish we had better news, but like, you know, what are they saying to you now? Now that you've been terminated because they finally discovered your books, your, your Amazon best selling books.
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Steve Hanke
Yeah.
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Clayton
Oh, my God.
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J.J. Carroll
No one's saying anything to me now. I feel as if I'm on the outside once again. I have, you know, like Greg Bevino and those types.
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Clayton
Yeah.
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J.J. Carroll
What, what a talent not to have out. You have. And I've said this to your, to you and your audience prior to me going back to ICE because it took a, it's a long process to get, quote, rehired. There are more men like me that are willing and that, that don't want to just come back and do grunt work. That, it's, it's very, I, I enjoyed every second of it. But my level of experience and Greg Bovino and other men, we have experience. Why are, this is a national security issue. Why are we not being brought in and said, okay, what is your plan? Because obvious, our plan's not working. It's just not working. I love Tom Holman. I love all these guys. They are patriots. But everyone knows it's not working. It's not, it's not what I believe or what you say Clayton or Greg Bovino or Schweitzer. Look, the numbers are what they are. The deportation numbers are what they are. And the legal immigration that is pouring into the illegal is what it is. We either are going to make strides to change what is ineffective or we're going to do nothing. And I'm going to tell you, I bet money on we do nothing. Nothing. Donald, I think President Trump is scared to death of mass deportations. How will affect his, his midterm. And the irony of all ironies, if he just went full throated, everyone's getting deported, his numbers would skyrocket.
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Clayton
I agree with you. This is, instead of focusing on Middle east wars like this is why, this is the number one reason why he was elected is to secure the border and mass, mass deportations of illegal criminals in the United States, which are destroying the United States of America. That's the number one issue. And he's farmed it out and he's gone half ass and he's focused more on, you know, Netanyahu's wars in the Middle east. And if, if he would reverse course, you know, he wouldn't have these poll numbers that he has heading into the midterm elections.
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J.J. Carroll
I agree.
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Clayton
It's deeply sad. Jj, thank you so much for your bravery, your honesty, your patriotism. I mean, going back into the force trying to do God's work and secure this country, and then now trying to do God's work from the other side, to alert all of us about this. But no one's talking about it. So thank you. Thank you for sharing this. Again, no one is talking about what you're talking about talking about here. And I hope that this gets shared far and wide and I hope that people in the administration pay attention to this segment. I sure. I sure as hell hope they do. So, jj, thank you so much as always. Great to see you, my friend.
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J.J. Carroll
Thank you very much, Clayton. Have a great day.
- [101:10]
Clayton
Well, thanks to JJ for that. Let us know your thoughts on that in the comments below. I sure hope the administration pays attention to this segment. I don't know if it's coming right from the top, though. If it's coming from President Trump to slowly roll heading into the midterm elections, then that's the order. The Trump administration saying, Hey, 50, 50 million illegals, fine, we'll slow it down. We'll slow it down till the midterms or beyond or, or never go back. And so this is what we're stuck with now heading into the 2030 census. Deeply troubling. Anyway, that's gonna do it for us today. Hey, we have a daily newsletter. I'd love for you to subscribe to it. Just go to redacted.inc that's the place to go if you and you just put in your email address there and you will receive a welcome email from us and then just need to confirm that you want to receive the newsletter. It's, you know, we don't sell your information or anything like that, but we publish a newsletter every morning, Monday through Friday. So you get a great newsletter delivered to your inbox. We cover about four or five of the big stories of the day. They've got market news in there as well. So what's going on with Gold and Silver and everything else and things you might have missed while you were sleeping? Again, redacted.inc is the place to sign up for the free newsletter. We've got a hundred subscribers of thousands of you who are daily subscribers and we really try to work hard to bring value to your inbox every day. So that is the newsletter. Well, thank you everyone for joining us today. We really appreciate it. We'll be back here Tomorrow live at 4:00pm Eastern Time. We hope you have a great night. We'll see you back here tomorrow.