Trump pushes "land war" in Venezuela, and Russia goes nuclear | Redacted News Live

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Redacted News – Episode Summary

Podcast: Redacted News
Hosts: Clayton Morris & Natali Morris
Date: October 23, 2025
Episode: Trump pushes "land war" in Venezuela, and Russia goes nuclear | Redacted News Live
Key Guests: Scott Horton (author, Antiwar.com), Kyle Seraphin (FBI whistleblower), Anders Audison (host, Uncanny Expeditions)

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Overview

This episode dives into several urgent and controversial international stories. The Morris duo leads a probing discussion with key guests on recent U.S. military movements toward Venezuela, Trump's foreign policy, escalating nuclear risks with Russia, the January 6th pipe bomber in Washington D.C., and a mysterious crash near Area 51. The show’s tone is punchy, sharply critical of official narratives, and championing investigative skepticism.

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Main Segments & Key Insights

1. U.S. Threats of War in Venezuela (05:08–23:29)

Key Points

• Reconnaissance & War Rhetoric: Trump is reportedly floating the idea of U.S. land strikes and even a land invasion in Venezuela, under the pretense of disrupting drug cartels, specifically targeting so-called “drug boats.”
• Lack of Pretext: Scott Horton asserts there is “no legitimate excuse for war whatsoever” (06:49), noting the U.S. cannot credibly claim Venezuelan military threat or narco-terrorist justification.
• Monroe Doctrine & Foreign Influence: Both hosts and Horton argue that U.S. actions are driven less by drugs and more by geopolitical aims—namely countering alleged Chinese and Russian involvement in Latin America (08:12–08:28).
• Rubio's Influence: Multiple reports point to Marco Rubio as a main driver of White House policy on Venezuela; Horton points out Rubio’s “regime change obsession” and neocon tendencies (12:19, 12:55).
• Historical Perspective: Horton revisits the failed attempt to install Juan Guaidó and previous U.S. interventions (10:55–12:19). He emphasizes selective concern for democracy and likens U.S. motivations to prior dubious interventions in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
• Sanctions & Blowback: U.S. sanctions are exacerbating Venezuela’s economic and refugee crises, contributing to regional instability and “blowback” in the U.S. itself (13:00–14:00).

Notable Quotes

• Scott Horton:
  • “They have no even shadow of a pretext. You think about W. Bush lying us into the Iraq war...at least they lied, right? Give me something, Trump.” (07:16)
  • “It’s not going to be like Panama at all. This could be a real contest.” (09:07)
• Clayton Morris:
  • “If you're watching our show and think this is about narco-terrorism, you'd have to be an idiot to believe that.” (07:53)

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2. War, Accountability, and the Rule of Law (16:29–23:29)

Key Points

• Whistleblower Testimony: The hosts reference the story of Chelsea Manning as emblematic of how U.S. intelligence failures lead to civilian casualties (16:29–18:27).
• Bipartisan Complicity: Horton argues that both political parties have undermined constitutional norms, and that the “Bill of Rights are of the highest importance...our responsibility to enforce that.” (17:36–20:34)
• Propaganda and Pretext: The “Trend Aragua” cartel is presented as the new media boogeyman to justify escalation; all agree this is a “psychological operation” in the run up to elections (20:31–21:10).

Notable Quote

• Scott Horton:
  • “We have to do everything we can to stop them from…they’re gonna launch another war. I almost can’t believe we're even having this discussion.” (23:29)

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3. Ukraine and Russia: Nuclear Brinkmanship and Sanctions (25:27–40:41)

Key Points

• Stalemate & Strategy: Despite campaign promises, Trump’s administration hasn’t delivered peace in Ukraine; instead, U.S.-Russia tensions are intensifying, including the threat of nuclear escalation (26:55–28:00).
• Sanctions as Symbolism: New U.S. and EU sanctions are largely “symbolic”—the U.S. doesn’t buy Russian oil and existing sanctions have already pushed Russia closer to Asia (28:00–30:48).
• Unworkable Peace: Horton outlines why Russia is unlikely to accept a cease-fire or settle for existing territorial gains, given their annexations and battlefield advantages (26:55–33:01).
• Allies Betrayed: A key dilemma is that the U.S. would have to force Ukraine into a peace deal and “betray our friends,” echoing Kissinger’s warning: “To be America’s enemy is dangerous. To be our friend is fatal.” (38:36–40:37)
• Escalatory Rhetoric: Russian officials (esp. Medvedev) have called the latest U.S. sanctions “an act of war,” but both Horton and the hosts are skeptical about whether this is new or mere rhetorical escalation (36:08–37:20).

Notable Quotes

• Scott Horton:
  • “We just have no mechanism to grind this thing to a halt right now...isn't this the highest priority of all humanity, that we don't let there be a hot war on Russia's border?” (37:23)
  • “The only way really to bring the war to an end is to betray our friends.” (38:36)

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4. January 6 Pipe Bomber Cover-Up & FBI Rot (44:17–63:19)

Key Points

• Whistleblower Revelations: Former FBI agent Kyle Seraphin describes strange procedural choices, suppression of high-quality surveillance video, and internal efforts to stifle his and others’ investigation into the 2021 D.C. pipe bombs (46:56–53:16).
• Cover-Up Allegations: Seraphin suggests a “multi-department governmental cover-up”—perhaps a staged training event gone bad or deliberate misdirection. He believes the FBI is either “too corrupt or too incompetent to exist.” (53:36–58:24)
• Pipe Bomber Identity: Seraphin’s surveillance team was pulled off promising leads; questions linger over why law enforcement hasn’t pursued logical suspects (50:17–53:16).
• Broader FBI Critique: The segment pans out into a condemnation of the current FBI's leadership, links to previous abuses (including COVID-era purges), and its “irredeemable” state per multiple whistleblowers (58:24–60:46).

Notable Quotes

• Kyle Seraphin:
  • “They are too corrupt or too incompetent to exist. I know for a fact they are not too incompetent.” (63:09)
  • “The lie was made up. They've stood by the lie…so this FBI and our FBI and that FBI…they're all the same FBI.” (58:24)

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5. Area 51 Crash Mystery (65:48–77:06)

Key Points

• Incident Details: Anders Audison describes a crash near the perimeter of Area 51, followed by rapid and secretive recovery efforts, guarded by armed “camo dudes,” and a conspicuous no-fly zone (66:47–71:44).
• Possible Explanations: The incident likely involved an experimental unmanned drone, not just a common Reaper drone, given the exceptional security response (69:12–70:46). There’s speculation on whether experimental classified craft (e.g. RQ180 or others) may have been involved.
• Aftermath: Audison recounts being harassed by security while investigating the crash site and raises concerns that if lives were lost, families may be silenced by NDAs (71:51–75:51).

Notable Quote

• Anders Audison:
  • “You don’t have Area 51 security guards standing with assault rifles on the highway for a regular drone crash. That’s pretty rare.” (67:09)

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Memorable Moments

• Scott Horton’s Satirical Comparison:
  • “Give me something, Trump. At least Netanyahu lied us into Iran in June ... at least they lied, right?” — (07:16)
• Hosts’ skepticism on war narratives:
  • “If you're watching our show and think this is about narco-terrorism, you'd have to be an idiot to believe that.” — Clayton (07:53)
• Ruby on U.S. alliances:
  • “To be America’s enemy is dangerous. To be our friend is fatal.” — Horton quoting Kissinger (40:37)
• FBI whistleblower candor:
  • “They should close the FBI. That $500,000 reward is safe. They’re not going to solve this case.” — Seraphin (45:51, paraphrased)
• Audison’s real-life Area 51 drama:
  • “They came up in the middle of the night and blasted their horns so I couldn’t sleep ... that was the one thing that escalated to the level of harassment.” (71:51)
• Host banter:
  • “Maybe those camo dudes aren’t human, maybe they’re hybrids or androids.” – Natali (77:28-77:32)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Venezuela War Talk Intro & Setup: 05:08
• Scott Horton on Regime Change and U.S. Motives: 06:02–10:55
• Discussion of Marco Rubio’s Influence: 12:19–14:00
• Sanctions and Policy Analysis: 25:27–28:00
• Ukraine/Russia Conflict Deep-Dive: 26:55–40:41
• FBI/January 6 Pipe Bomber Segment: 44:17–63:19
• Area 51 Crash Investigation: 65:48–77:06

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Direct, skeptical, anti-establishment, often sardonic
• Major Themes:
  • Deep skepticism toward official war justifications
  • Critique of bipartisan complicity in escalating conflicts
  • Concerns about civil liberties and abuse of constitutional rights
  • Government secrecy surrounding critical incidents (e.g. Area 51, Jan 6 pipe bomber)
  • Demand for accountability, transparency, and independent investigation

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a dense, critical audit of recent U.S. military, intelligence, and foreign policy actions. The hosts—joined by trusted expert guests—dig beneath mainstream coverage, offering insight and connecting dots across hot-button issues. The conversations aren’t just informative—they encourage listeners to question first, demand evidence, and defend constitutional principles in an era of escalating global and domestic secrecy and deception.

Transcript

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[B]

Wake up everybody. Welcome into Redacted on this Thursday. I'm Clayton Morris.

[A]

I'm Natalie Morris.

[B]

Lots of war talk today. I mean, we got Venezuela, Trump calling for a land war potentially in Venezuela as two long range bombers have been doing reconnaissance missions over Venezuela. The US Bombers, by the way, we also have what's going on in Russia right now, getting ready for nuclear tests. Putin is getting ready for nuclear tests. And Medvedev just said just a short time ago that it seems that President Trump is moving towards war against Russia. So we have a very good guest on the show today.

[A]

Yes, we do. Scott Horton from Anti War and the author of Provoked. Also, if you haven't read his book enough already, basically that is all you need to know about American foreign policy and how pro war it is and why inexplicably we are so for the war. So he is really one of our go to sources for all things war in American foreign policy. I'm so excited to have him.

[B]

Yeah, walking encyclopedia and really anti, you know, really anti the neocon narrative. Of course, Scott is gonna be able to walk us through what's going on right now with Venezuela and Russia and all of it. We're gonna get with him in just a few moments.

[A]

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[B]

Well, the Trump administration is preparing for war with Venezuela. A few minutes ago, two long range bombers just did some reconnaissance aerial missions preparing for possible strikes and land strikes. President Trump on Wednesday suggested that strikes could start on land instead of at sea. Of course, they've hit about nine of those alleged drug boats, whatever they are. So now we gotta move to the land. Of course, we're done with our little sea experiment. Gilligan. We've been treating these, we've been of course, covering these so called drug boats now for the past few days. Trump has made similar comments before. And according to multiple Media reports, the U.S. is preparing to bomb Venezuela with the goal of pushing out, of course, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and trying to use, I think the drug trade as cover for the larger plan Here. The author of Provoked is a man by the name of Scott Horton. How Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. This man is a walking encyclopedia of how empires try to create regime change around the world. Scott, it's a real thrill to have on the show today. Scott, welcome to Redacted for the first time.

[C]

Thank you. It's great to be with you both.

[B]

I think, again, our pleasure.

[A]

I think he's been on once before. This is second time.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did really?

[C]

I didn't talk when enough already came out.

[B]

Oh, okay. But maybe you did a separate interview. That's right. Many a couple of years ago. All right. Anyway, I'm a big fan.

[C]

It's great to be here. Thank you.

[B]

During our live broadcast. I don't think we've had you on during our live show before. Nevertheless. Nevertheless, let's dive into a number of these big stories today. Let's start with Venezuela. After the break, we'll talk about Ukraine and what's going on with Russia seems to be barreling out of control. But President Trump calling for perhaps land strikes and seems like getting ready for some kind of a land invasion. What do you make of these next steps from President Trump going after Nicolas Maduro and regime change there?

[C]

God, man, I don't know. Right. Unbelievable. Should translate somewhere near not believable. And yet, geez, in this case, I don't know what they're going to do. And they have no cost disability. They have no legitimate excuse for war whatsoever. And in fact, like even just on the, on the basic question of stealing their oil, there's only one refinery. Well, this may be outdated information, but the way I understand it, there's only one refinery in Corpus Christi owned by the remaining Koch brother that's capable of refining that heavy Venezuelan crude oil. And I can't imagine the Cokes are behind this, like push it for this. Like they're, they're not that bad, you know, I mean they got their problem.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I can't imagine that's really the push, like their particular interest in, oh, we want to refine and, and turn that into Sitco Gas. I mean maybe there's obviously there's a lot I don't know about what the oil lobby is doing in Washington right now. But, but as far as any threat by the Venezuelan regime against the United States of America, we have nothing like an excuse for war here. You already scoffed at the drug boats because we all know they don't know who they're bombing down there. They didn't even claim that like no, trust us, we have some really good super secret intelligence about who these boats are. No, and we already know that they bombed some innocent people. You know, some fishermen that survived, they gave back no charges because they hadn't done anything at all. And so they have no even shadow of a pretext. You think about W. Bush lying us Into Iraq War two or even Netanyahu lying us into Iran in June. At least they lied, right? At least Bill Clinton pretended that Milosevic had murdered 100,000 Kosovar Albanians. Give me something, Trump.

[B]

And here is this Monroe Doctrine.

[C]

Scott, don't like this guy.

[B]

I know. I guess I'm with you on this because I don't think, I mean our audience is very smart. None of our. I hope that anybody watching our show realizes it has nothing to do with drugs. It has nothing to do with narco terrorism. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that. It has nothing to do with Trend Air Agua.

[A]

Well, if I may, but hold on.

[B]

Let me finish my thought.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So is this then about the Monroe Doctrine, the idea that there's some sort of a Chinese influence, there's some sort of a Russian influence in Venezuela, whether it's with oil and gas relationships, China building ports in Latin America. Is this come back to the Monroe Doctrine, as simple as that?

[C]

I don't know. But there's certainly no need for military force in order to keep old world nations out of the Western hemisphere here and you know, but can handle that just fine. America can play plenty hardball with far short of coups and certainly far short of aggressive wars. And I don't know who is advising Trump and telling him that, like who's the Paul Wolfowitz in this situation? Is Marco Rubio telling him? This is going to be easy, boss, don't worry.

[D]

Worry.

[C]

We're going to knock it out in three weeks and you won't have to worry. It'll be a star on your legacy instead of any potential danger at all. I mean, think about the possible downsides if you're sitting in the presidency right now and someone's telling you to launch an aggressive war against a country with at least 100,000 man military force and a government that's popular, at least among the poor, at least among the people who haven't fled yet. And it's. Right. It's not like it's an alien regime. It does have some indigenous support in that country. And I don't know how tough a fight it'll be, but we're going to lose how many soldiers over this. Or somebody told him what, that we can just do it with airstrikes and we just get one good lucky strike on the guy, like when they tried to take out Saddam Hussein at the farm and missed on the night of the invasion of Iraq. I mean, this is crazy stuff. Panama is Panama, but I think Venezuela has got to be in it. This is not going to be like Panama in 89 at all. This could be a real contest. And, I mean, obviously they're no threat to our country here, but in terms of America's ability to have our way and do whatever we want inside their country, I'm sorry, I am not a member of that religion. I don't know who could possibly convert me, especially after all this time. It's just crazy.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I think that it's worth rewinding the clock, though. Towards the end of the first Trump administration, when the Bill Bar Justice Department indicted Nicolas Maduro for these sort of nebulous charges about narco terrorism and such. And so that indictment is live, the Biden administration tried to sort of work with Maduro in order to get some oil deals going because the economy was so terrible. But this does very much feel like Trump circling back to what he was not able to do in his first administration, which was. What did we even make of that, do you think? What could we get from it?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, well, so first of all, going back to what happened in the first administration was they completely failed in their attempt to put Juan Guaido in there. And they had what Justin Ramondo called the Chef Boyardee coup, where they were. They kind of ginned up a riot over the supplies at the border. Remember that? And all this went nowhere because the right in Venezuela does not have popular support, at least. I mean, I can't speak for, you know, all their recent poll numbers or whatever, but they had nothing like the mass of people behind them necessary to depose the president and force him out. And so the whole thing just completely fizzled away. Juan Guaido is considered to be a joke. He called for direct American military intervention in his country, which. Imagine if Hillary Clinton said Russia stole the election for Trump. So I demand China get in here and do something about it. Right. She'd have been strung up for that. And this new Nobel Prize winning lady, that's what she's saying too. It's time for America to get busy in Venezuela. Overthrow the government with military force, whatever collateral damage. Don't, not even worth a mention, to install me in power, please. I mean, this is completely nuts. And whoever's selling the President on this is I. We need good investigative reporting on exactly what narratives they're pushing to him and what it is that he believes or any skepticism he's shown toward this. I mean, obviously the buildup is very ominous.

[B]

Got sources telling, redacted that I heard this now from multiple sources at the White House that Marco Rubio is really the driver here in Venezuela and this push for this, whether it's some sort of a land invasion or otherwise. So he seems to really have President Trump's ear on this. That's coming from Marco Rubio sticking his hands in this, of course. And this was one of the first things that Marco Rubio did when he was pushed, nominated and became Secretary of State. Flew right down there. So this makes sense, does it? Does it surprise you that Marco Rubio, the heart of trying to move us towards war with Venezuela?

[C]

No, he's absolutely the worst. And you know, even though we don't have any literal neoconservatives in the administration right now, you know, Ron Dermer comes close and, and Marco Rubio sure comes close as well. You know, Dermer lurking around. But I mean, Rubio is the Secretary of State and the National Security advisor as well, so. And I mean, all of us know, just think back to only a few years ago, how well we knew him when he was in the public, much more as a senator. Just what an absolute idiot the guy is, what an absolute blowhard he is, how wrong he was about everything. Tagging along with John McCain, mongering war for Al Qaeda against Gaddafi and on to Syria and on to Wherever, Iraq War 3 and every other thing. Iran, of course, he's a hardcore Zionist. And then, you know, obviously is with the Cuban right, that has, you know, strong ties and obviously strong common points of view with the Venezuelan right, who would like to get rid of these commie governments, which, by the way, I sympathize with that greatly. I just don't sympathize one iota with their will to get the United States involved in their problems. I think, you know, Venezuela is actually a real sad case because their right wing governments there were pretty authoritarian and it was not like it was A total free society, but they had a very highly developed economy with, you know, all kinds of agriculture and industry and whatever. And Hugo Chavez just hollowed all of that out with his idiot commie economics. And then now he's dead and left Chavez Jr. In charge here. And they've made a hash of this. You know, by, by nature it should be an incredibly prosperous and well developed country. And by the way, the American empire has played their role as well in adding economic sanctions and making it very difficult for them to do business with other countries in the world who could at least help them get by. That's at least in part. You know, we would have had this refugee problem anyway. But America's economic war against Venezuela makes it worse, their economic problems worse and makes their refugee crisis that much worse as well. So these Venezuelan gangs in our country are in part blowback from American policy against this country. And again, I can see why people would want rid of them. But you know what, Think about it. In our same circumstance, right? Like what if W. Bush had declared himself President for life, right? And just every day we all woke up in the morning trying to figure out a way to get rid of this guy. But then the Russians or the Chinese came and said, we'll take care of that problem for you. We would kill them. We would not do that. We would rally around W. Bush against our foreign enemies. Because that a patriot would do that. He's from here and he got elected, sorta. And that'll be good enough for us compared to a foreign power trying to dictate terms. Otherwise. No, we will solve the W. Bush problem, not them. Right? So how could it be that we would expect this to work any other way in any other country? Think about when they try to do the umbrella revolution in Hong Kong. You know what? Maybe the National Endowment for Democracy should just butt out, right? Maybe some of these things are too far from our purview and we really need to. And hell, even on the, even on the Monroe Doctrine model, leave the old world alone. But even here, the limit of the Monroe Doctrine could be just insisting the old world stay out. That doesn't mean we need to be the dominant power usa, the dominant power in all of these Latin American countries. We can let them go their own way and let them have their independence. That's obviously what's most important to them, because that's what's most important to us.

[A]

Now, something you said recently, and I cheered this on, that partisan politics is making a fool of all of us. And so we can take a Look at this boat bombing. And no matter what party you fall on, you should not cheer for this because you know that the US Government regularly bombs civilians with bad intel. And in fact, I think about this leftist story in the book of Chelsea Manning, where at the time he was a he. So I'm gonna call him a he. He says it was his gather intel on a terrorist in Iraq. And he said, this guy's moved. He doesn't live here anymore, so if you want to target him, target him there. And then his. And then US Troops went and bombed the old address, and it was civilians who had moved there. And he was like, I told you guys, he doesn't live there, so we just bombed civilians. You have to think that that is not an unusual story. That is what made him become a whistleblower. And so when we see this, there is no partisan politics that should push us to cheer for this. That's how I feel. Can you maybe expand on that?

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. And look, this is. It's a real overall crisis that the center, overall liberal establishment have completely discredited a lot of the good Americanism that they were supposed to be the stewards of, along with their own reputations through especially their wars and their economic crises and the rest. But the thing is, we're supposed to understand each other a bit better so we can work together here. And. And instead we, you know, people are moving further and further apart and a lot of times based on nonsense. And I'm sorry that I thought it was going to come back, but I did lose my train of thought. Can you please repeat the question? And then.

[A]

Oh, we were talking about Chelsea Manning's book and the bombing. And it's just something that sticks with me every time I see some kind civilian droning.

[C]

Yeah, because what I was going to say was, I'm sorry, I went too far on the tangent. But the point is they discredited just even the idea of the presumption of the rule of law as the thing that we can. Is there anything that we all agree on, like the Fifth and Sixth Amendments of due process before we let our government kill somebody when we're not at war with a foreign nation or. Actually, no, that. That tradition, the Fifth and Sixth Amendment, they're now quaint. They're now discredited. Along with who. Like Biden and McCain and the Clintons and Bushes, who were supposed to protect them. Right. And they. By being in charge of our Bill of Rights, they have got their ick all over our most sacred traditions. So now if it's your president doing the killing. It's okay if it's Barack Obama murdering people with robot drones or hiring Al Qaeda mercenaries to suicide bomb them all to death. Well, that's okay because he's your guy and he's better than the other guy. Or if it's Donald Trump doing it, well, what are you going to expect? He's got to fight America's enemies and protect America's interests. You're just going to make excuses for it or. No, wait a minute. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they don't change just because there was an election. And they should not in any way be discredited because John McCain failed to protect them when it was his job. Right? And the center liberal establishment got their failure all over the entire American system. Pardon me, the. The constitutional system and especially the Bill of Rights are of the highest importance. You know, let them tell you which church you got to go to. Okay, well, then the Fifth and the sixth Amendments matter too, right? You know, let them take your guns. All right, then due process of law also matters. Every word of that is our responsibility to inflict on our government. These are, in fact, if you read the preamble to the Bill of Rights, these are declaratory and restrictive clauses added by the people against them. That's why it doesn't say we have decided to allow you to go whatever church you want to. It says they have no right to tell us what church to go to. They had no right to take our gun. They had no right to put us in prison without a real process and a jury of our peers and all of these things in order to make sure and all that, that's what they.

[B]

Hallelujah.

[C]

And it's our responsibility to enforce that.

[B]

Can we say before we take a quick break here, Scott, we're going to talk about Ukraine. On the other side of the break, can we all agree, I mean, it seems like this is a psychological operation in the run up to the election. Right after the election, it was trend Aragu. Now that is the greatest threat to the United States. Suddenly it's not Mexican drug cartels. It's now trend Aragua, we never heard of them before. Now suddenly it's the number one thing, the biggest threat to all of us. And now we're going to Venezuela to stop the narco terrorists Trend Aragua and all of the drugs that are flowing from Venezuela into the United States. It's all a lie. But this is how they're selling it to us. Can we, I mean, do you agree or disagree.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

And in fact, like, there's hardly a pretense here.

[D]

Right?

[C]

All the newspapers already quoted all the government officials saying that it's not true. What, the fentanyl doesn't come from the Caribbean. And all of the rest of it, Right. This is already debunked. They have no casus belly. They have nothing even like one.

[A]

And yeah, yeah, you know, I see these people in the drone question.

[C]

They. You're so right about their bad intelligence. They. When they're killing people with drones, when you're seeing that bird's eye view footage, you know as much about the targets as the guy who pulled the trigger. And you take it from. From General Michael Flynn, back when he was the colonel in the Afghan war, he wrote this giant thing complaining about how we don't know who we're killing down there. And that means that we're killing the wrong people, people who don't deserve it. And that's making matters worse and worse for us and for our guys on the ground. Now, his solution was put guys on the ground and get better intel. But the point is that they're bluffing when they tell you they know what they're doing. They don't know what they're doing. No. They call it a signature strike. That sounds almost like it needs the president's signature on it, right? That they take it to the president. They go, well, we vetted this one really good, Mr. President. No, no. A signature strike means this guy behaves just like a guy that we killed before. You see how he drives a pickup truck. You see how he does jumping jacks in the morning. You see how he eats breakfast, and then he goes and gets his cousin. That's just like this other guy who also ate breakfast and then went and got his cousin zapped. And then they kill him based on things that are completely innocuous, things that are not incriminating at all. Like, look, he's driving a boat in the same waters where that one guy was driving one time. Zap. You can bet that that is.

[A]

That is reminiscent of what Obama did by droning anyone of military age and calling them combatants. That is exactly what Obama did. And I learned from your book. Enough already. The idea of precision paradox, this idea that they tell us, we made this surgical killing, no one else got hurt, and that's never true. So I'm just repeating your own work to you.

[C]

You. You know, I just. For my own personal failing, I just have not had the time to. To cover this, hardly at all. And I'm I'm just grateful that you guys are coming out so hard against this. I mean, this is crazy. We got to do everything we can to stop them from. From.

[B]

I mean, no, because I even see.

[C]

They'Re gonna launch another war. I almost can't believe we're even having this discussion right now.

[B]

I know, it's insane. I mean, most people in our chat are like, we've got to stop this. No more foreign wars. No more of this. And then there's some people that are.

[A]

Like, yeah, it was a drug boat.

[B]

It's a drug boat.

[A]

How do you know that, given the stories we just told you? You don't learn.

[B]

Anyway, we gotta take a break.

[A]

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In the format of kebab.

[B]

All right, well, let's talk about Ukraine, shall we?

[A]

Okay, we shall. The US Is all talk about war in Ukraine now. President Trump promised that he could Enter end the war within days of his presidency. But now we're months later and nothing's happened. Not only that, he's escalating war with Russia and Russia is making sure that they are ready to rumble. Just this week, they ran tests of their nuclear arsenal after the US Canceled a peace summit. Now the European Union announced a 19th package of sanctions, and the United States said, we'll do that, too, even though they had pulled back on sanctions after the Alaska peace summit. Now they're ramping up sanctions. They're saying these sanctions are on Russian oil due to Russia's lack of serious commitment to a peace process. That's interesting because we're going to keep spending money, sending money in war and war weapons into Ukraine. But it's Russia that lacks a serious commitment. Now, interestingly, the sanctions focus on Russian oil companies, which sounds super tough, but the US doesn't buy any Russian oil. So it's mostly symbolic. What do we make of this? Well, joining us to discuss is Scott Horton, who literally wrote the book about US Complicity in the war in Ukraine. He will help us make sense of this. So, Scott, have you been dragged along by any of this peace talks? It's happening. It's not. Were you optimistic about Alaska? Now we're back here again. What do you think this charade is about?

[C]

Well, I am, I guess, hopefully pessimistic. Is that a thing? I, I, I'm sorry, I really am repeating myself from everybody else's show and whatever. I don't know really what else to say about this other than it's just a tragedy that Donald Trump was inaugurated to begin his second term when he was, I think he really was sincere about wanting to end the war. He didn't really understand how he was going to. He was just betting that he'd be able to through force of his personality and hopefully through carrots of promises of normalized relation, relations that just will figure it out. The problem is he can't figure it out because the situation on the ground is essentially where the Russians are winning slowly and they have a lot of territory left to take compared to what they've claimed they own. And they're fighting a war of attrition, which means they're not focusing on taking land as much as just trying to grind their enemy down. The Ukrainians say that they're doing the same thing, that that's their strategy as well. And so they're just trying to break the other's army. And then once they do, then they can have their way and go where they want and as is obvious and has been obvious since before this war time is on the Russian side. They got more men, they got more weapons and they're right there adjacent and we're not and that's the difference. And they're going to win. But they still have one fully one fourth virtually, I don't know, right around one fourth of Donetsk is outside of their control. And then somewhere between a third and a quarter of Zaporozha and Kherson also remain outside their control, while they do control virtually all of Luhansk. But these are the four provinces that they've claimed. And to even compromise on Zaprosia and Kherson, I think they should and I think even that they will have, they will have attained much of their goals if they would settle, even as Donald Trump wishes they would do, freeze the line where it is right now. Who cares if they have to leave one quarter of Donetsk out And who cares even if they only get what they have in Zapro and I mean from the Russian point of view here, even if they have to settle or what they've got in Zaprosian curse on because that is the so called land bridge from the Donbass to Crimea and they already have guaranteed the, the source of the fresh water supplies from the Dnieper river through that channel to Crimea and the entire control of the Azov coast, Militipol and Mariupol. And so, you know, Trump wants them to call timeout and I think it's reasonable for them that would be reasonable compromise. I think what the hell, they've already taken a lot and they have paid a hell of a price and so have the Ukrainians. And I agree with Trump, as he puts it, the killing has got to stop is too dangerous to have this war going on on Russia's territory or you know, right on their border like this. And yet the Russians, they're in for a penny, in for a pound. And it was after the Ukrainians escalated In September of 22, remember they had that brilliant feint in, in pardon me, in Luhansk and Harkeev and then down in Kherson where they actually made real great progress and kicked the Russians all the way out of Harkeev Oblast and out of a third of Kherson, kick them back across the river in Kherson. And as revenge for that, essentially Putin got angry and said oh yeah, well I hear by annex Zaprozia and Kherson in their entireties. So now for him to fall short of that when he doesn't have to only what as a favor to Trump is. That's a difficult ask. The, the incentives don't line up Trump. Look at Trump's carrots and sticks. Trump can add more sanctions, which he's doing today, but that's completely marginal. And we all know that.

[B]

Why?

[C]

Because Biden already tried that and, and did the nuclear sanctions as best he possibly could. Crippling sanctions, Iran level sanctions as best as they could. All it did was move them toward Asia, but it didn't destroy their industry or destroy their economy at all. And, and then he can also pour in more missiles. But Biden already tried that, too. As the Ukrainian military themselves have said, they don't really have the manpower to field more weapons than we're giving them anyway. A lot of American weapons, like our frontline battle tanks have already been proven to be completely obsolete compared to tiny little drones. So, you know, 29.99. So they, the Russians have every reason essentially to keep going. Oh, and I was going to say, pardon me. And Trump can also offer them carrots, right? He can offer them normalization. And there's a lot that American Russia can work on. And I don't mean from my libertarian point of view. I just mean all other things being equal, American Russia can work together on everything from space programs to anti drug to anti terrorism to developing resources together. Whatever, whatever, whatever. And so they could do that. And hey, how about getting back into some nuclear treaties like the INF Treaty and the Open Skies Treaty, that's not a nuclear treaty, but still a good one, and extending New Start officially, maybe even getting rid of the sunset on it, making New Start permanent and adding new and better nuclear treaties. Bring Putin to Washington, take him out to the ball game or whatever you got to do to try to mend these fences and get things back, you know, on, on some kind of better keel. But think about what I'm saying, right? That's impossible to ask there, for Trump to go that far after Russia did invade Ukraine. After all, he's going to give them everything just to get them to call timeout. Right, and stop where they are now in a frozen conflict that's bound to probably start up pretty soon anyway. It's, it's impossible that that could happen in terms of Washington, D.C. politics here. So everybody is just stuck between Iraq and, I'm sorry, I left out. Ukrainians don't want to turn around and walk away from land that they stand on. They still stand on a quarter of Donetsk. They still stand on a third of Zaporozha. And which, and Kherson, which includes major.

[D]

Cities, they're not they don't want to.

[C]

Turn around away just because Trump asks them to in order to get.

[B]

Well, that's a great point, Scott. That part of it. I mean, Natalie, I were just looking at each other off camera here about this because that piece of it, right. The whole, one of the whole motivations for this special military operation is that there's been a genocide against the people of the Donbas and Donetsk and Luhansk and Zaporozha and the people there, those.

[A]

Ethnic Russians for the special military operations, they've been petitioning to Russia.

[B]

So are they going to just allow Ukraine to be their daddy again after they were bombing civilians in parks and carrying out attacks on schools? Why would anybody who lives in those areas, who are, you know, ethnic Russian specifically want to be a part of Ukraine at this point?

[C]

Well, that's a good question. I have to say. I don't know for sure the answer to that. I know that in the past there were a hell of a lot of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers and culturally Russian people in Ukraine who had no interest in being ruled by the Russian Federation at all and who very much would prefer to have been Ukrainians. Just saying there's a bunch of Hispanics in Texas don't necessarily want to, to succeed and join Mexico. Secede, I meant to say, and, and rejoin Mexico. You know what I mean? So.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Sometimes people oversimplify that. Now, there were, if you go back to 2014, hundreds of thousands of people did vote in solid majorities to declare sovereignty, which is not exactly independence and secession, but a form of independence from Kiev. So there was, you know, clearly a lot of pro Russian and anti, you know, post coup Hunta in Kiev sentiment there at that time. And certainly there were many people who welcomed the Russians protection when they finally did come in there. I don't know how well that translates, and I suspect it translates less and less the further west you go. So, you know, I know that in Odessa, for example, you have a lot of people who are culturally Russian, speak Russian, don't speak Ukrainian at all, but consider themselves Ukrainian and do not consider themselves to be, you know, or that they ought to be citizens of Russia and would prefer to see the Russians take over that territory. Not that Kiev has been bombing Odessa, which is a distinction you made there when you're talking about Zaprozia. But people get caught in crossfires a lot and they forgive and forget when they have to, when they're just civilians living under one regime or another. Anyway, so I'm not sure how that would. How that would shake out, but I.

[A]

Right. I guess that's what turns my stomach, is thinking about foreign leaders making choices for them based on something we don't understand.

[B]

We want to ask you, Scott, about this, which is just a short time ago, you just mentioned the new sanctions. Well, the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev says that this is war, that President Trump just declared war on Russia. He said this about six hours ago. These decisions are an act of war against Russia. By carrying out these sanctions. This is like. Sounds like taking Putin to a ball game is not going to happen. This is a major escalation according to the Russian side.

[C]

Well, listen, can you tell me more about these sanctions which makes them so dang wonderful compared to the ones that Biden already tried and desperately to inflict on them. Why is this a declaration of war compared to every other goddamn escalation before today?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah, especially.

[C]

It's like a marginal propaganda.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, they love their.

[C]

Like, honestly, like I was looking at these new sanctions like it's just a publicity stunt. What is like flicking them in the ear. That doesn't mean anything. You put more sanctions on their oil, they sell it to somebody else. Who cares? We've been at this for three years already. What are we talking about? I'm honestly.

[A]

They sell it to China and India, not to us. So that's. That's not for us.

[B]

We'll just buy you their uranium. We'll continue to do that.

[C]

Which I. Yeah, no, I'm sorry, I have to tell you, I don't know, and I wish I knew who to ask about why it is that Lavrov would use such severe language over this particular set of sanctions today compared to where we were three weeks ago or a year ago or any other thing. Man, I really.

[B]

Right. I mean, mostly they've not even talked about the sanctions before. They've never really said peep about it. And now suddenly Medvedev comes out and says this is an act of war against Russia.

[C]

Well, wait, was it Lavrov or Medvedev or both?

[B]

Medvedev, yeah.

[A]

It was meant for.

[C]

Okay, well, you know what? He says a lot of things that's a lot different than if it was Lavrov. Yadettev is oftentimes, you know, like angry Obama. That key and peel thing where he gets out there and runs. Right. No, if it was Lavrov saying that, I'm sorry, I take that way more seriously. So. Okay. I still. I don't like it, though. And it's just crazy to think that, you know, somehow there's eight and a half billion people on this planet or whatever, and we just have no mechanism to grind this thing to a halt right now. Like, yeah, isn't this the highest priority of all of humanity, that we don't let there be a hot war on Russia's border right there, 300 miles from Moscow, when this thing could turn into an H bomb exchange that we wouldn't even exist to regret? I mean, it's just. Yeah, it's it's just nuts that this is able to still go on. I. I almost can't. I remember in. In early 24 or maybe late 23, they had an article in Politico. I bet it was late 23, they had an article in Politico that said, well, the Democrats say they just got to make sure and keep the war going through the election so it doesn't cost Biden that he lost a war. And I remember thinking, what you guys plan on keeping this thing going through next fall? And it's like, yeah, no, and now, that was a year ago, you know, a year and a half ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's still. We're still here, and it's just. But again, honestly, I really don't know. Okay, here's, here's. Here's the thing in my mind, what it would take for Trump to end the war is he would have to tell Kiev, sorry, you're screwed. That's it. I really, really, really mean it this time. I'm cutting off all support for you, all advice, all intelligence, all coordination, all weapons, all. Everything. I demand that you give in. Sign something. Here's the parameters. I think that will be able to be acceptable. See you in Minsk or Wherever, for Minsk 3 or whatever the next deal is. And we are. He would have to just twist that arm and force them now and to give up. Yeah. And you see how horrible that is, politically speaking, to do. I was, you know, thinking of this, like, in comparison to calling off Netanyahu, who is, you know, shooting fish in a barrel, crushing these poor, helpless Palestinians down there. This is not that. This is more like if we'd been backing the poor, helpless Palestinians, and now we're leaving them high and dry to finish being crushed. Right. And so it's a. We're on the opposite side of the thing in terms of who's the underdog and who's the thing. And especially when it was, yes, the previous administration, but still the United States of America that did so much to get Ukraine into this mess. Now, the only way really to bring the war to an end is to betray our friends. To finally stab them all the way in the back and leave them high and dry and hopefully not slaughtered. But to, To. To compromise and negotiate and walk away. But, yeah, it's a hell of a thing. This is the famous Kissinger quote about it. To be America's enemy is dangerous. To be our friend is fatal. And he was talking about situations like this where we promise a weak partner that will help them fight their stronger overlord enemy, but then we don't mean it and we're not coming for you. To the Kurds over and over again, to the Hmong tribesmen in Vietnam. And then this is obviously to the Hazaras, Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan. And now we're doing it to the Ukrainians. Oh, yeah.

[A]

No, we got no Taiwan.

[C]

We don't have their back.

[B]

All right. Yeah, well said. Until they become our enemies again, which is how we use them, like Al Qaeda, of course. Scott Horton, the author of the book, provoked. Great to have you here on the show. Check out the incredible book. Check out all of his body of work. Like I said, a walking encyclopedia.

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Yes.

[B]

Stuff. Thank you, Scott. Great to see you.

[C]

Thank you both so much. Appreciate it.

[B]

Our pleasure. All right, we've got a lot more news to get to. We're going to talk about the January 6th pipe bomb suspect. The FBI suddenly dropping new high definition videos. But why will they release all of it? There's going to release a little bit of it. Just like they did. Just like they did at Charlie Kirk's assassination. Just give us a little bit. Our next guest says the FBI should be dissolved, torn down, and we're going to talk. And he was, by, by the way, one of the top investigators on this particular case back in the day.

[A]

No, Clayton, I watched a whole press conference today with 30 people on the stage about sports betting, about the NBA gambling.

[B]

We're all over it. Cash Patel made sure that he was out there.

[A]

There's something that was on my list of things I wanted that was the most important thing.

[B]

Yeah, that was the most important thing. Not the Epstein files or anything else. NBA sports betting. But thank God. We're going to talk about January 6th and the pipe bomber next with our friend Kyle Seraphin right after the break.

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[B]

All right, well, why haven't we caught the January 6th pipe bomber yet? Why were highly trained FBI agents tracking this case for months and then suddenly reassigned to boring ass desk jobs, spending time at their desk playing Oregon Trail or looking up holiday Diwali recipes? I made that part up. Of course they're working hard, but it seems like someone was trying to hide something. These FBI agents were getting too close to the truth. And it seems strange, right? Especially when in just a few short hours, we got the lone gunman who allegedly totally worked alone to kill Charlie Kirk, who totally texted his gay lover with specific details about the murder. Right? As he was being chased by police, he stopped and give a whole flurry of text messages. Case closed. Don't ask any more questions. We were even lucky to have Cash Patel fly into Utah to show how responsive the FBI was. The FBI was all over it. We got this. But four years later, still no pipe bomber caught. Yesterday, the FBI released new, higher quality video of the 2021 DNC and RNC pipe bomb suspect as it renewed a $500,000 reward for information leading to this arrest. Here's the video. Our next guest says, if you can't find a person who dropped explosives in our nation's capital despite using mobile devices, being captured on camera and leaving physical evidence behind, you are too corrupt or too incompetent to exist. They should close the FBI. That person is FBI whistleblower Kyle Seraphin. Kyle, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.

[D]

Good to see you guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And you know what? I gotta be really upfront with my bias cuz I hate the FBI. And I hate it more today than I did yesterday even. Cause I saw some additional articles which we may even just throw out there. The FBI is a walking, breathing, flexing First Amendment violation. And it doesn't matter who's in charge. And they're not going to solve this case. So that $500,000 is really safe. I just want to let everybody know in case they're worried that their federal tax dollars might be going to pay somebody for finding a, you know, a pipe bomber from January six. Don't worry about that. They're totally good.

[B]

So you're. You're furious because I mean, you were on this task force and you were actively working the January 6th case. Suddenly then you were pulled off, put at a desk job and you've been asking why, you know, why did it take this long now to get this high Definition video. Friend of the show Steve Baker says, you know, we have their phone data, you know, like their cell phone data, but you won't even release the full 17 to 18 hours of this footage with these two cameras. Like, what is the FBI hiding here? What if you make of that part of the story, why not release all of this video?

[D]

So the FBI is hiding what happened. That's really obvious to anybody that's paying attention. And there's an analogous case that happened in 2018, which I was in the FBI during that time between March 2 and March 21, and I had a long discussion about this on my. My podcast this morning. But the FBI found a pipe bomber who was throwing out explosive devices, mailing them through FedEx and attempting to kill people. And it took 19 days, and that person is now dead. So they've done that. They did it in 2018. They did it with less technology than existed in 2021. They did it with less political pressure, and they did it in Austin, Texas, which is nowhere near as surveilled. And I would say critically important when it comes to the number of federal assets, security cameras, federal agencies. Take your pick. Not to mention the fact that January 6th was apparently a really big deal, and the. The dropping of explosives next to politically sensitive targets would be the most terroristic thing that happened on that day, bar none. Nobody could argue otherwise. So if they didn't show you what happened and they haven't released this video up until now, I've got a really dark suspicion about what happened. Can we get. Can we get kind of. It's not conspiratorial per se, but can I do a little bit of. Kind of like my own kind of analysis on this? Because I think this is what actually happened.

[B]

You worked at the FBI. You worked on this case. If there's one person that I would say, yes, run with it, please. What is your assessment of this?

[D]

All right, let me. Let me broadly say what my association with. With the case was. On January 6, 2021, I got leave. I got leave to go and do a shooting class. And I was up with state police officers and some SWAT team guys from Maryland. I was in Frederick, Maryland, but I was assigned to the Washington Field Office. I worked for a team that was called the Special operations group, or ID. Is that right? ID 21, which was the intelligence division, 21 squad. And what we did was surveillance all the time, full time, thousands of hours a year. We watched bad guys of various kinds. Sometimes it was bs, sometimes they were really bad, sometimes they were Child traffickers. They were Ms. 13 guys that had cut up people with a machete. Sometimes they were a lady that the FBI wanted to bump and talk to because maybe she knew something about her boss's white collar fraud. It was an entire gamut of that. And the crazy thing was is that every time that we had a big event in DC, which was frequently it would be 4th of July, July, it'd be the March for Life, it'd be the State of the Union. Every inauguration they did this thing called an nsse, a National Special Security Event. And that's where dhs, specifically the DHS entity called Secret Service, would make a declaration that we were going to call it an nsse. And everybody would get an all hands on deck. And so all leave was canceled and all of the local overtime was paid for by the feds. And everybody would step up and they would make sure that we had a secure environment so that First Amendment liberties were protected. And that meant that you had FBI plainclothes people walking around in the crowds and you had some that were in suits that were ready to go do interviews and you had ATF and you had the, you know, Department of Energy flying around out there with drones and they'd be driving in their trucks looking for dirty bombs. And everybody was there, everybody was available to stop riots, to stop explosives, to stop terrorist attacks, to make sure people could do what they wanted, which was have their say, be able to participate. January 6th was not declared at NSSE. That was step number one. That was weird. So I was allowed to be on leave and when we got back, they tasked my team with a person of interest. Now I got every variety of garbage from the FBI when it came to go find this person and watch them. And they would say, go pattern their life. Just find out what they do. And you go, oh, okay. So we'd ask about the case and we'd get various amounts of details. How do you know this person is involved? What's, you know, this and that. The story we got on January 6th with the person of interest that we followed for January 6th was incredibly specific and really, really capable. The person that you're showing on the screen that's wearing the hoodie, supposedly left the D.C. area on a D.C. metro car. That's the public transportation system. That means they went through a turnstile that had cameras looking just like that, was able to be traced all the way through, leaving the area with a time coded DC Metro card. That card was bought with a credit card and I was told it was bought a year prior and had never been used up until that point. That's really specific. That's oddly specific. And I remember it four years later that I was briefed on this stuff. We were also told that that same card was used to exit a facility in Falls Church, Northern Virginia, on the other side of of the Potomac, and was picked up by a car that had a license plate where the license plate and the user of the the credit card were in fact the same person. So same address, same name on that license plate and on the card. Now, that doesn't mean that that person was the owner of the car or that person was the owner of the credit card, but it means that that's a pretty darn good place to start. And that's what they had us watching out in Northern Virginia for about four or five days. So we sat out and watched a house to no avail. We got additional information about this person association with the Air Force. Some of the information they had on, on scene was a little bit off. I found out after the fact because I've looked this person up and I have his name sitting on my computer. I don't believe that the person that we were watching was the person that we're seeing on the screen wearing the hoodie. But I do believe that there's a decent chance that that person knew. And I do not know and I don't actually trust the FBI went out and did an interview. Because I asked to do an interview. I said, let's just go knock on the door. Let's just go knock on the door and ask some simple questions. I was in the Air Force. I can talk to people that were in the Air Force. Let's just try to do a basic knock and talk and see what's going on. Wouldn't we want to start anywhere if we have nothing? And we got pulled off that case? We got sent back to our off site. I was sat at a computer where they gave me garbage leads that came in from people who called into the 1-800-FBI tips line and said, my neighbor Clayton is a jerk and he thought Ronald Reagan was cool and he likes things that are libertarian or he doesn't. He doesn't think Joe Biden's a good choice. And so you should go get him because he was probably at January 6th. And so I threw out at least 100, maybe two or 300 of those leads that came in. I lost count of them, but every time that I would read them, they would be garbage. They would be predicated on nothing. And so I would eliminate them from my queue. And I did that for a little while. And eventually I was able to take paternity leave and leave that field office. And I never went back. And as far as I know, and I know up until like a couple of weeks ago, they never put somebody back on that guy to watch him again because my friends are still were on that team.

[B]

So here's what I went. Knocked to the door, never went nasty as far as I know. And you believe 100% that that is not the guy that we're seeing in this video. So why now? I mean, we see this video, high definition video. There's a voiceover that the FBI released with this whole video. They even added music. They added like creepy music to it, like somebody in their sound engineering video.

[D]

They did this. They did this video in January. People can find it in my X feed. It's at Kyle Seraphin, if you guys want to go see them side by side. They actually released this video, identical video in January of this year, trying to say, like, hey, we're still working on this pipe bomber nonsense. And then they did it again a couple, you know, yesterday. And it has two more minutes of footage. But that's the only change. It's the same graphics. It is the same sort of creepy atmospheric music. As you mentioned, there's the same voiceover and the same discussion. So all of those things are identical. The only difference is they added a little bit more footage. And here's what I actually think happened. You mentioned Steve Baker. His partner in crime is a guy named Joe Hanneman. Hanneman was at Epoch Times for a little while, now works for the Blaze. And they released a story about two weeks ago that disrupted the FBI's attempt to try to pass this off as a training exercise. They wrote a story, and we have it on pretty good authority that the senior executives in the FBI, the seventh floor. So that's going to be your people that are the public affairs types and the Bongino and the Patel. They had a plan to basically go forward and say this was a training exercise. We've run it to ground and we have found out that the person, you know, it was just a bad time thing and nobody should read anything into it. No big deal. And the problem with that is it's pretty apparent from some of the research now. It's single source, but it's a very good source that that Baker and Hanneman have shown is that the person who dropped those devices very likely actually moved one of the devices more than once and may not have been the final person to touch said device. And also went into two different congressional office buildings according to the surveillance footage that they've been able to review. And there we'd be able to find out very clearly what happened because the FBI has had the footage you mentioned, 17, 18 hours or so, that's from the DNC's building. The cameras that we've seen, some of them are actually not belong, they don't belong to U.S. capitol Police or any other federal entity. They actually are part of the party system. So the DNC's is, is a non governmental agency and we have never seen what happened to the device during the time between that placement that we're seeing on screen and then when it was discovered because it would have obviously be found in any sweep. Dan Bongino said that very clearly when he was a podcast guy. He was like, yeah, they would have walked out there. There's no way they would have missed this. They're, they're, you know, their dogs are too good, the handlers are too good. There's some pretty serious evidence that this is a multi department governmental cover up. So here's what I actually think the wider thing looks like. I think that either U.S. capitol Police or congressional staffers were involved in the placement of these devices for whatever reason. We're speculative, but maybe it was a distractionary tactic, maybe it was part of a training exercise, but they left them. It doesn't really make a difference what they were, were, that's what went down. They were discovered by U.S. capitol Police officers. That's actually very clear. Tom Massey has said that on record. Now Baker has also identified this to be the case and nobody seemed to be all that worried about these particular devices. And then the FBI was the mop up crew and they came in and they grabbed all the video footage and they did all the prosecutions. And the DOJ was the ones that ended up putting, you know, probably almost 2,000 people in the criminal justice system. And they've wrecked thousands of lives. I mentioned this this morning as well. But people's lives will recover. There are some that have still not been pardoned. Guys like Joe Biggs, they're still out there waiting. Purple Heart veterans, retired, lost their pension, lost their access to the VA hospitals are considered, you know, PNG by anybody that's reputable in media simply because of this, they cannot do work. JD Rivera just got kicked off a job the other day. I've interviewed him as well, also at J. Sixer. So a lot of people's lives were upended by this. And the DOJ was the mop up crew. I don't think they had undercover agents the way you think, not from FBI in the crowd. And the reason that would be is because you wouldn't want to compartmentalize that problem. You wouldn't want to have the same agency that set up the bowling pins be the one that goes in and knocks them down and prosecutes them. So the odds are there were people, there were likely instigators. And I think we're going to see some of that stuff come out from the guys over at the Blaze as well. I'm kind of monologuing this, but let me just say I am more furious with them releasing this because what they're trying to do is rebrand garbage from January because we, we screwed up their narrative. I'm trying not to swear we screwed up their narrative really aggressively a couple of weeks ago by exposing that you can't call training event and then keep the FBI open because it means they covered for something they've known for literally years at this point.

[B]

Right. I mean, you're a great point. I mean, adding these two additional minutes of footage here, why not just release all of it? Like if you have this additional footage that you're just sitting on, release that number one. But also, if it's a training exercise, then why would you put out a, you know, a reward for $500,000 if you knew, if, you know, internally this was a training exercise, we should just come out and admit it's a training exercise. You can't do that now, now because you've made up this lie.

[D]

That's exactly why they can't do it though, Clayton. They can't do it because the lie was made up. They've stood by the lie. The same people that work in the middle management of the FBI from 2021 are still the people that are slightly more senior or, you know, significantly more senior. The people that surround Cash Patel, the people that are in charge, they all got promoted under Chris Wray. And we need to be really serious about what the FBI is and what it is not. And the people who got promoted within the FBI, they are still there. So. So this FBI and our FBI and that FBI and today's FBI, they're all the same FBI. My friends still work there. They're still decent people. I had probably one of the better whistleblowers come to me and he actually ended up working directly for Cash Patel for a little while. He went to headquarters and tried to do some things. And he left in disgust. And the thing he said before he went there was, I do good work. The stuff that I do directly impacts my community in a positive manner. And our agency is irredeemable. And when people that have 16, 18, 20 years on the job in that particular agency have that mindset, and my friends that have just a couple of years away from retirement don't know if they're going to make it because they can't stomach what's going on. How do we keep this thing open? And all we're seeing right now is an inability to throw away that ring of power, which is what it is. It's a powerful agency that has intelligence at its disposal. And it's also got law enforcement, so they can spy on you, but they can also kill you. They can send, you know, a SWAT team through your door. They can send armed agents to come knock on your door and say, hey, you are an anti ICE protest. Now, I don't much care for the anti ICE protesters, but they have a right to do that in this country. And I'm going to stand behind that right to go knock on their door and say, your name came across my desk. Which is the same crap that we saw for people that had MAGA hats on during January 6th. Your name came across my desk. Ken Klippenstein has some great pieces over at his substack right now today talking about exactly that. And I sent it to my buddies and I said, you're working for fascists. That's what these people are. They have taken the government and they have used it for their power. And the next time somebody else steps into that space, the next time Democrats grab it, they're going to use it, too. And the crazy thing is nobody in the FBI is going to say no because they ran all those people out over Covid. So all of this has been very, very obvious to me as someone from the inside. But unfortunately, me, I'm also really angry about it. And I think more Americans should be. And I have to acknowledge my own bias there. But at the same time, like, I don't think my analysis is off, unfortunately.

[B]

No, I think you're spot on. I have a friend who worked at the FBI. He quit in protest. His boss asked him a lie, cover up a big piece of a case that he was working on, discovered all of this fraud and abuse, and his FBI boss, boss told him to cover it up and look the other way, and he quit. So this is the kind of rot we're talking about inside the FBI.

[E]

Well, can I say real quick, like, how. How this discredit, like this video discredits a lot of what they put out in the Charlie Kirk case. Because if they had this quality footage back then, and the university has more advanced footage and they're putting out stuff that looks like a potato, this just proves that, you know, we're not getting clear footage.

[D]

We're kind of doing apples and oranges and, and. And there's a big chunk that needs to be acknowledged, that there's an active. There's an active prosecution that's going on in. You know, we don't have a subject that we can. They're still in the manhunt phase for the. For the pipe bomber. So release whatever you have to. At this point, it's too late. And again, I think it's probably either going to be a federal contractor, it's going to be someone that works for us, a Capitol police, or somebody that's in a congressional staffer role, maybe a DHS person. On an outside chance, there's a really good chance that that person knows how to get in and out of the buildings of Congress, because during the hours that that person accessed the building, it's not logical for it to be someone outside of law enforcement or staff. But the Charlie Kirk thing is, at this point, they cannot release more information about it because they're going to end up screwing up the case. And there's significant amounts of Supreme Court precedent that says if you prejudice the jury, then you will have. Even with a successful prosecution, you'll have that verdict thrown out. So they probably actually released more than they should have. And if you guys think about any other murder case, you've never had that kind of details. I know people feel entitled to having that information at this point, and they all want to solve the case. Whether they're on X or they're on Facebook or they're watching on Rumble, they think that they should be able to have access to the information to solve the case. That's not the way that our system works. As unfortunate as it is for all of our curiosity and sort of the Netflix generation that wants to be able to watch the entire season all at once and binge it, that's not the way that it works. But these are two different cases. In so much as one has a subject in custody and they're going to try to do a successful prosecution. The other. We're in the hunting phase, and we're four years deep into the hunting phase, and they got nothing. Which tells me that either Our FBI is too incompetent to exist or it is too corrupt and has been lying to us. And I know for a fact that they are not too incompetent. That's the part that really troubles me. I know better. And so do both of you guys. I mean, everybody knows that, actually.

[B]

Well, we'll see. This narrative changes anymore and they try to pass off this training exercise. Kyle, great to see you as always. Thank you so much for this. Appreciate it. Yeah, you bet, bud. Thanks, Carl.

[A]

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[B]

Well, on September 23rd, just a few weeks ago, mysterious aircraft reportedly crashed just beyond the boundary of Area 51. And it happened near the restricted zone. Near the restricted zone. In the days that followed, then authorities launched a large scale recovery, according to reports, and some sort of a massive cleanup effort as well. Armed security personnel, often referred to as camo dudes, were seen guarding dirt roads that were like, branching off of the main highway. The FAA even established a temporary no fly zone over this area, even though it was outside of the normal area of 51 for reasons of national security, they said. Anders Audison is the host of Uncanny Expeditions. He went to this area or got as close as he possibly could and tried to get some answers. Of course, Anders, we head on to Deep dive. What was going on in Lockheed Martin's skunk work. So thrilled to have Anders back here, here on the show. Welcome back.

[F]

Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate you having me back.

[B]

Now, I know you were away or you were not near the site at the time of the crash, but then you kind of hightailed it to get there to be near the location outside of Area 51. Maybe you can just describe what you were initially hearing about this crash and what spurred you to take action and actually go to the crash site.

[F]

Yeah, so I was filming when it happened. I was filming actually for that Helendale project I was working on. And basically the Air Force came in and they had the whole site cleaned up in about three or four days, which is crazy fast. And initially I thought, well, it was probably just something like a Reaper, which is a really common drone that the military flies. They fly them in training missions all the time. So I didn't necessarily plan on going out there right away because I didn't think it was going to be that interesting. Then the days after the cleanup, it kind of got a little bit strange. So it was announced that somebody had planted wreckage of some kind on top of the crash site after the cleanup. So there was like a dummy training bomb and like some other aircraft parts, almost like they were trying to sort of disguise a crash site as something else. So I was like, huh, okay, that's kind of strange. And then, yeah, just the fact that the response was so different from what a normal Reaper crash would have been because. Because reapers, they crash pretty often out there in the desert. They're flown in all sorts of training missions and they don't necessarily prompt this level of national security response. You don't have the area 51 security guards standing guard with assault rifles on the highway. That's pretty rare. So I went out there after the cleanup had already been done, and I went out there with a metal detector to see if I could find some stuff that was underneath the layer of dirt that they put on. So after they did the cleanup, they disguised the burn mark by trucking in more dirt from somewhere else nearby and pouring it on top of the crash site. So the only way I could tell from a distance at least was the fact that there were these burned Joshua trees there that pretty much gave it away as to where the impact site was. So I just dug down after I got some hits with my metal detector and I found a few pieces of whatever it was. There was also some non metallic pieces out there too, like carbon fiber weave and things like that. And yeah, essentially that was it.

[B]

I mean, what do you think it was? I mean, I mean, what do you think? Area 51. We know that all of the black book secret projects have been happening at Area 51 for decades. Of course you know whether. And we know reports obviously from Bob Lazar and others, reverse engineering of craft, of alien alien craft or advanced technologies, off world vehicles that has been taking place, test flights of these craft at Area 51. Most of the, I think the sightings that people are seeing near Area 51 are American craft, black book project craft that we don't know about. No one have no idea what they are. Maybe 30 years from now we'll find out what they are. But what do you think actually went down there?

[F]

Yeah, if I had to guess, I would say it probably is some type of unmanned aircraft behind probably not a conventional Reaper. I think it probably is something that was being test blown, something experimental. It could be something like there's these new collaborative combat aircraft CCA drones that are being worked on. It could also be something that is acknowledged, but it's still kind of sensitive. Like there's a drone called the RQ180 that there's very few photos of out there, but it is a really high tech, advanced piece of unmanned equipment. It also could be something that is being test flown that'll never see the light of day because a lot of these black projects, they may get declassified years down the line, but they also may not. You know, for every aircraft that we hear about that they flew, you know, 10, 20 years ago, there's probably 10 other ones that just get shelved and we never hear about them. So it could be something kind of a one off prototype like that as well.

[A]

And so what do you think? What agency would be tasked with cleanup in something like this?

[F]

So it definitely would have been the Air force, the Area 51 security guards, which are called camo dudes. They were, they actually established a perimeter around the site. So they're actually a private contractor that the company that contracts them. Now I believe it's Amentum. I could be wrong about that. But anyways, they handled perimeter security, but the actual recovery and cleanup would have been the Air Force. And there's a gentleman by the name of Jorg Arnou, he lives in Rachel and he's actually who I initially heard about the crash site from. He did a live stream where he saw some flatbed trucks going out there. They set up some sort of a tent. So they really dug in for about four days and they hauled everything, everything out of there.

[B]

When you, when you were there and the security guards, I saw you riding up on the motorcycle and so forth, did they give you any shit?

[F]

Yeah, well, it was kind of. It was actually kind of strange. So I went out to the crash site a grand total of. I think it was four times. The first time I went out there, I was just kind of scouting to see if I could even get there. After the second time I went out there, I was camping out in the desert. And these days the camo dudes kind of leave me alone because I spend a ton of time out there. I do all sorts of investigations, so they know me. But this time, after having visited the crash site two times, they came right up into where I was camping in the middle of the night. I don't have this part on video, but they came in and were blasting the horns on their truck. So I couldn't sleep. Probably every hour, every two hours from about 11 till about 3am which was super weird. That was like the one thing that kind of escalated to a level that I would consider harassment. And I was on public land. I was not. I was well away from the Perimeter. And then as you can see here, they did fly one of their Area 51 security helicopters over my position. That's something they haven't done to me in about a year. Again, because they usually, you know, once they kind of know you, they're not going to harass you as much. But in this case, they did fly this helicopter out over me and yeah, some sort of surveillance, I would say.

[A]

Are you able to ask them any questions or they just like storm? Yeah.

[F]

They don't talk to you. So the Area 51 security, it's, it's really weird. If you ever go out there, that's the one thing you'll always notice is that they will not interact with the public unless you cross that perimeter. So if you actually approach one with a camera especially, you know they're going to back away from you. And if you do have your camera out, they're going to pull their, their mask up over their face because they, they're basically under strict regulations to not have their identity revealed to the public and especially not published on the Internet.

[B]

What have you experienced at Area 51? Any anomalies? Anything in your multiple visits there? Things that you can't explain?

[F]

Yeah, so initially when I first started going out there, I didn't have nearly the amount of equipment that I do now, but I saw, I think I touched on this last time I was on, but there was some things that looked like satellite. They're really high altitude and they're moving in a straight line, but then all of a sudden they'll make a really sudden like 90 degree turn, which isn't consistent with what I would consider a satellite or any other conventional aircraft. So those are something I've seen on probably three or four occasions several years ago, I would say. That's the one thing I've seen that is pretty much unexplainable from the, from the standpoint of a conventional aircraft. Beyond that, I've seen all sorts of military exercises, military aircraft, definitely some other lights in the sky, but a light in the sky, it's kind of hard to identify what it is if it's not doing any erratic movements. I hesitate to call it a ufo.

[B]

Personally, what upsets me about this too is that somebody, somebody or multiple people may have died in this crash. And this will all be hidden. Yeah. And families will be having to sign NDAs to receive some sort of a pension or some sort of a military payout. Do you know anything about loss of life from this crash or was it unmanned? Do we have any ideas?

[F]

Well, I mean, the reports, the scanner traffic the night of and the subsequent. Subsequent reports all classified it as an unmanned vehicle. I guess it could be possible that if it's something really, really secretive, that they're, you know, disguising the fact or hiding the fact that there was injury or loss of life. I don't know that to be the case. I think it's very possible that it could have been unmanned, but we really don't know. You know, we really just have the word of the Air Force, and the word that they put out was very, very limited. We know that whatever it was was critical to national security because of the FAA no fly zone. It specifically said it was for national security reasons, which, again, that never happens with an MQ9 Reaper crash. Those things, they're common. They don't. They don't prompt this level of secrecy.

[B]

More questions? Yeah, probably just weather balloons or swamp gas. I'm sure. Anderson, probably here. Nothing to worry about here, Anders. Where, first of all, people have to follow your YouTube channel and follow you on these expeditions. You do a great job. Where do you think you're heading next, if you can let the cat out of the bag?

[F]

Yeah, so I'm going back to Southern California, to the Antelope Valley, kind of. That. That's. That's the region that Helendale is in. There's a few more places out there that I'm going to be doing some filming, and I may do another pass by Helen Dale to see if I happen to get lucky. Although I will say I think they might kind of be onto me there. So they might be a little bit more, I don't know, ready for me this time. But I do have some other locations in that area that I'm going to keep secret for now until I publish them.

[B]

Great. You got to wear a mustache and.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

A disguise. Like a dark.

[A]

Like a Louvre.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, like a Louvre.

[A]

Like a Louvre robber.

[B]

Right. Stealing the crown jewels. Just wearing. I don't know. I don't know who Anders is. This is my first time visiting here. I have no idea. Great to see you again. Continued great work. And anytime you've got any great information, please share it with us and we'll get you right here on the show. I love talking with you. Thank you so much.

[F]

Yeah, sounds good. Fun to be on.

[C]

All right.

[F]

Right.

[B]

Awesome. Thanks, Anders. So cool. I. I mean, and those guys come out. How intimidating. These guys come out. You're on public land. You're like, I'm here filming because there was a crash.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're like, blasting their horns at you. They're, you know, trying to provoke you and get you out of here. So where do we live? Where do we live that you can just do this? They're human, those bot. Those camo dudes.

[A]

Is it a possibility that they're not.

[B]

Maybe they're like. Yeah, maybe they're like hybrids.

[A]

That's what I was thinking.

[B]

Or androids.

[A]

Yeah, that's where I went.

[B]

Maybe Elon Musk has some, some Tesla Optimus drones or androids that are. You know, they have these, like, sensors too. They have, like, vibration sensors. So the vibration sensors around in least parts of Area 51 are so sensitive that they can even pick up, like, prairie dogs. Oh, yeah, vibrations. You know, like, they can tell the difference between, like, prairie dogs and, like, human traffic or car traffic. They're that sense sensitive all around the whole place.

[A]

All right, all right.

[B]

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[A]

All right, well, we'll take your super chats in just a moment, so thank you so much. And again, this is our last live show for the week, but we will be back on Monday. So we appreciate you, you being here. If you, I'm curious if those of you who are news junkies like us, you know, we, we stick with the serious stuff, but the funner stuff has to give us life. We had a lot of fun with Blue Origin. We had a lot of fun. Now I am enjoying very much the Louvre heist that was in the newsletter today.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This idea that the, the Louvre went full on. We have our first female security guard. This woman's fully in charge of security at the Louvre prove a year later, first robbery.

[B]

I do appreciate that you're laughing at this.

[A]

I am laughing at this.

[B]

Now it's a DEI hire. That's a d. You know, we're trying to be inclusive with our security. So we're hiring a woman here as the head of security for the most popular museum in the world with it.

[A]

I mean, it'd be one thing if she was a just a woman, but she was a very experienced woman. She was not. She was in policing before and she was in advisory role rules. So she's not the guy. Like literally our alarm.com people who come out here all the time can like see. Okay, well we can't see this with this camera. Like those people are better than you know, someone who does. Like now the Louvre is saying our building's just too old. There's no way that we could have had cameras on everything. Do they know how cameras work? Like it's, that's crazy. So, yeah, I've been enjoying that.

[B]

This.

[A]

Now the, the head of the move is saying, go ahead.

[D]

They're like the, the buildings were built.

[B]

By like 700-year-old camera repelling stone or what? Like you can't bolt A camera to them. Like, how does that. Maybe.

[E]

Maybe it's because it's gas powered and there's no gas powered cameras yet.

[A]

Right. Perhaps that's. That's something. I don't know. I feel like there are some really technical dudes who couldn't come out and said, here's your vulnerabilities right now, obviously, the vulnerabilities existed before she took the job, but there was no one to continue to secure it. There was no audit done.

[B]

So why couldn't you have hired Lupin? Hire Lupin. Hire Lupin to come in and figure it out for you. Like, where are the vulnerabilities here?

[A]

There. There had to be some really qualified dudes who were passed up for this job so that the Louvre at the time said we need to work on feminization of our leadership at the Louvre. Why was that? That was more a priority than securing these jewels and crowns.

[D]

I mean, if it was me, did anybody ensure.

[B]

Did anybody ensure that the thieves themselves were diverse or.

[C]

I want to know.

[B]

There was one black guy. There was a guy in a wheelchair.

[A]

Was there a black guy? We don't know that.

[B]

I'm just making this up.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

It looked like the Burger King kids club. You know, you had, like, an Asian guy, a white guy. You had an LGBTQ woman and a guy in a wheelchair. They're like, we normally we have to run. We have to run away in a heist, but, you know, we're gonna take a chance on you.

[C]

That's a.

[E]

And then they said that they. After they were done, they all took off on scooters, like, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the way you want to go through Paris. You don't want to be driving a.

[A]

Car and then, you know, using that hoist to get back down. Like, you didn't think to wait at the bottom. You saw this happen. And then you wait for them to literally take one of those grandpa wall sliders.

[B]

Down deep, deep, deep.

[A]

I just love it. I love every meme about it. It's giving me life.

[B]

What's hilarious is if you wrote this as a script for Hollywood, like, hey, we got a new heist heist movie. And I'm reading over the script, I'm like, no one's gonna believe this. Like, this is what. In broad daylight? You're gonna do this with a whole. No, this doesn't make any sense.

[C]

This.

[B]

This is like, a terrible story.

[A]

Right?

[B]

No one would buy this story, but it worked.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I do know that there exists people who could secure the Louvre I believe that those people would not be hard to find if you gave a little effort, don't you think?

[B]

Yeah, I just don't think Dominique with her, like, butch haircut.

[A]

I mean, again, she just. She didn't have experience in security.

[E]

So I'll tell you what. If I was. If France hired me as the. The first. First female, I would have been like, okay, we're gonna do a thorough, thorough, thorough look here. Of all the vulnerabilities because we. This can't go wrong otherwise, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Because this will be embarrassing for me, at which it is. So. Yes. It's stranger than fiction.

[B]

Soldier says a two. Two pound. Is that pounds? Two pounds. Two pounds. Natalie is hot. Yes.

[A]

Oh, that's a fire emoji. It could be fire in any way. And I. I agree. Or not agree. I appreciate that. I didn't mean to say I agree. That was weird.

[B]

Bindi Boxer says. I'm worried. Has anyone seen Candace lately?

[A]

You are right.

[B]

I'm worried. And pray that she's safe.

[A]

She did say she was taking a vacation. She said so before she went on vacation Monday. Oh, she took two weeks. We only took one. So when people hit at us for taking breaks.

[B]

Not that it's the fall break. Fall break? Yeah. Ocean's LGBTQ instead of Ocean's Eleven, I think it's the.

[D]

The Bobby.

[B]

The Bobby Crown Affair.

[C]

Not, not. Not as good as its cousin.

[A]

I saw someone online today saying maybe they were Horcruxes, which also gave me a lot of joy because the diadem, the cup, the locket. Oh, yeah, right. So good. They possibly were Horcruxes.

[B]

Doctor wants to. Where's Morris Invest? Oh, yeah. It's now under the umbrella of redacted, so thank you for asking that. Yeah. So she is fine. Candace is fine. Someone says. I remember when Clayton. Someone says, I'm going to go to the mats about Charlie Kirk. I still want answers about it. Are you kidding me? For sure. And I think we've covered how many angles of it possibly there's more coming out every day. Like now we have the chief of staff on the. Charlie Kirk's chief of staff who just walks away after the shooting and it's just like seen casually kind of walking down by an suv.

[A]

Yeah. We refer you to the most recent piece by Jimmy Dore about how his. And it's the son of the preacher who was saying no more, asking questions was his chief of staff. And in the video, you can see him. Oh, my friend just got shot. Put my backpack on and just Walk away. I mean, I don't think that's how any of us would react. You know, if you're a good friend. Like, he doesn't look scared. He's not ducking. He's not running like a coward. He's just walking away. That's strange.

[B]

Well, they also found a handgun separately on the grass. So there's new footage of that just came out. Well, it's like.

[E]

It's like if you have one anomaly. Okay, I can understand. Right. But when the whole story isn't enough, like, every single part of it that we get, it doesn't make sense.

[B]

Yeah, I know the whole. The whole thing doesn't make sense, but.

[A]

No, we're still on it. You know, when we are able to further the story, we will. As things come out that wasn't in.

[E]

Our schedule, I have a feeling Candace is really going to further the story on Monday because she said she has some stuff. So I'm like, on the edge of my seat waiting.

[A]

Yeah, this is playing out like a better than.

[B]

Well, she's having to work around this gag order now, too, which is another big piece of this story. Like, you know, yes, 3,000 person gag order.

[A]

Right. How do. How do 3,000 people lose their First Amendment rights for witnessing a crime? That explain that to me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I believe we will. We will. There's a. There's a hearing tomorrow, so when that happens, we'll continue to the story the best we can.

[B]

What I want, because obviously the story around Tyler Robinson, specifically, like, I want to know what the prosecution is going to put. Like, I want the facts around that piece of it. So I want to see what the evidence they're going to use. And they're going to have to present that so that the defense has a chance, of course, to answer it. Right. Any sort of exculpatory evidence, all of that needs to be presented to the defense. So once we start to get these pieces of it and how this case is going to come together, that's when we're going to start to see huge, you know, huge stories around this or huge problems with their prosecution.

[E]

And what I want to know is that firm that's representing Robinson, was that hired or were they installed? Like, I didn't hear anything like whether they were hired by his family or were they installed?

[A]

Well, that's what Elizabeth Lane said on our show, is that there were lawyers offering themselves up to be his defense. And the prosecution said, no, we're choosing the defense, which is strange for the prosecution to choose their own opponent. That it had to be state appointed. So how can he get a fair trial without any choice of his defense? Now what she said is that there are laws in Utah that make that legal. To me, that seems a federal constitutional violation. So I don't exactly know what those laws in Utah could possibly be. He should have the right to choose a defense that is not compromised. It would seem obvious that the defense would be compromised.

[E]

Then isn't it even in your Miranda that you can, if you can't afford your own lawyer, that you of your choosing, one will be provided for you?

[B]

But that's in the Constitution.

[C]

Right?

[D]

So I mean, yes, it is not.

[A]

A matter of him not being able to afford. Because many lawyers have stepped up and said, I will take this case.

[E]

Well, right, that's the point I'm making.

[A]

State is disallowing that.

[F]

That.

[E]

Right, that's the point I'm making is like he had, he had every, every reasonable means to get his own lawyer. But like, was he denied that? Like, I don't, I still don't know if the people that represented him are the ones that he chose or if they were the ones that were chosen for him.

[B]

Like, and normally, you know, we would hear from them. We would hear from them on television. I mean, you would literally not necessarily television. You definitely have press conferences and other things.

[A]

Oh, by the defense.

[B]

Yeah, by the defense, absolutely. So I can't wait to hear Diddy's.

[A]

Lawyer making a full press rounds as soon as the indictment came down.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So. Yeah, good point. Very good point.

[B]

We have Luigi Mangione's defense attorneys also talking out. So you know, there's precedent for defense attorneys speaking, but we haven't heard one thing about it now. And someone else point in the chat says, yeah, they had said a couple of days before they didn't even know who the 3,000 people are for this gag order. So, so how do you like enforce a gag order on 3,000 people and.

[A]

It binds future lawyers. Any future. How do you know like that you might be a future lawyer? How would. That makes no sense.

[B]

Right? Like you're in college and you're like, I might be. Take a tract of law. I happen to be at uvu. And like, I can't like in the future talk about this.

[E]

Like, well then are they going around and making these, all these students that were there and putting up video footage and talking about their experience? Are they, they scrubbing the Internet of their videos and testimonials and.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I mean, well, there, there are There are a lot of people who are saying anomalies, such as some people saying that Charlie Kirk's team at Turning Point USA refused to work with the campus police for a plan. So those people now are. That's maybe one purpose of the gag order. Because the prosecution doesn't want to hear that, the court doesn't want to hear that. These are interesting things that are being preemptively shut down, but they exist on the Internet. There's a woman who broke down the gag order, Andrea Burkhart Law. I put this on my ex and you can find her YouTube channel. But the gag order is the strangest thing. I mean, it's not the strange. Everything about it is strange, but it is certainly unusual and cause for concern.

[B]

Well, why don't we have any answers still? I mean, you know, people, conspiracy theories emerge from a lack of transparency. That's how it always happens. Whether it's Butler, Pennsylvania or whether it's this. Give us the answers we are entitled to. If this person is dead, give us the story. Explain to us how this happened. Why were there drones there that day? Why were there aircraft in the air that day? Why were all the of these pieces. They are happening. Please let us know and give us concrete evidence of this. But they won't do it. They won't do it. Thank you for see Andrew's Bible prophecy or End Times Bible prophecy says I don't care about Charlie Kirk and I'm tired of hearing about him. There, I said it. All right, End Times Bible prophecy. Thank you for that.

[E]

Well, actually the story is not about Charlie Kirk. It's about a cover up. It's about, you know, clearly the means our government is willing to go to hide things from us that are a much bigger picture on what our government is doing.

[B]

Well, you bring up a great point because as Colonel Towner Watkins said on our show, she said people are missing. The bigger story here, the 30,000 foot level story here, is that these intelligence agencies, regardless of whether it's like Mossad or the CIA or MI6, they operate in conjunction with each other other and they control all of us through MK Ultra programs and mind control programs and all of these things that they do at such a high level of control that we get so caught up in the little drip, drip, drip. She says this is a strategy they use, which is a little drip of information, a little drip of information to get you, all of us down here feeding off of it. And I think that to me really stood out. When she made that point, it hit me Like a ton of bricks where were stuck on. Oh there was someone, someone dropped a pin. Someone did this. We're doing you know all these little pieces of the story when they want us to be doing that. And that's I think because they have the videos, they have this information. They know exactly what's going on here but they're giving us this little drip feed of information to keep the, the piranha sort of swimming in the, in the pool I think was her point. Vincent Vlad's mercado joining us from London says never watch the mainstream media ever again since I found redacted and the thousand thousands of open minded people that are in the chat room streams well done all from London. Thank you so much Vincent. Appreciate that. Yeah we have a lot of different obviously sorry for your loss over there.

[E]

London of your rights.

[B]

Yes. Sorry for your lack of free speech over in London. Yeah, all right. I think that's about it. Chumps Maga brand equals Reagan's war on drugs plus W em wmd. Brad Gilbert says two dollar Super Chat chat Starch Manning says the Epstein Memorial Ballroom. That's what's being built to the White House. The Epstein Memorial.

[A]

Oh that's a good one.

[B]

$2 super chat.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

Brad Gilbert says a redacted viewers making $7,000 in the chat room going against Scott Horton. No, there were, there were definitely some, there were definitely some pro empire people in the chat earlier when Scott was on like who definitely want us to.

[A]

Like well bomb Venezuela. They like it it.

[B]

Well they will. No, I think they'll just believe anything that the Trump administration says about narco terrorists and like that's what they're bombing. And now we need to go to war with Venezuela and Scott was not having any of that. So I think most, most of our chat room is anti war but you know I believe everything Hegseth says.

[E]

Yeah, they probably still buy the Iraq war.

[B]

Yeah, if the boats were big enough maybe, but they're not. Like, like where, where are they? Like where are they driving these boats to that you can't cross the ocean.

[C]

One of those little speedboats.

[B]

You know it's just not how it works. You need to refuel like 30 times. It's so funny to me how people are so unwilling to like believe what the FBI is saying about Charlie Kirk. You know we just don't buy it at all. Or the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting of President Trump. I mean I don't believe them at all. I think they're liars. Right. But on this like when the administration Says these are narco terrorist boats and they're on their way to the United States and they're going to be putting fentanyl.

[A]

They're like, good enough for me.

[B]

They're like, oh, really?

[D]

Oh, good.

[B]

Okay, great. It's a great story. Like, I'm pretty sure.

[E]

Go ahead. People buy, people buy 10 different stories. They're like, or don't buy it. I don't buy this. I don't buy, you know, September 11th. I don't buy this, this, this, this, this, this, this, But I buy this one. It's like once you, once you look through that glass that you don't buy it. You don't buy anything unless you look at it critically and.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Have to look at everything they say critically because they, that's what they want. They would. Don't want you to look at it critically.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Including your heroes.

[C]

Like I was gonna say, like, I.

[B]

Think, like, of the entirety of the government that I'm aware of, the people that I'm aware of in our government.

[C]

Like, I think, I think Thomas Massie.

[B]

Would probably be the only person that if he says something, I'll be like, yep, that's probably exactly what, what that is. I, I can't think of anybody else. Like, like Trump included. Like, I don't trust anything any of them. Say the Paul's not a one.

[A]

Both of the Paul's.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, there you go. Zero fentanyl. Like, they're not making fentanyl. And these, these boats would need to be refueled more than 20 times in order to try to get to the United States. Not going to happen.

[E]

I mean, I mean, what did George Bush say? Fool me once, shame on. Shame on. Yeah, shame on me. Fool me twice. Can't be fooled again, right?

[B]

Can't get fooled again, right?

[A]

Yeah. I, I think we should all agree, start by not believing and then make them prove it. Like, how about we start there, okay. Because these are lies. These, these are people's lives. And again, again, the story that I told you about, the Chelsea Manning story, where his job was to find intelligence about a terrorist so that they could attack him, and he said, that guy moved. Don't bomb this house. He's moved to this house. And then they went and bombed the old house. And he's like, I told you that. And you just bombed an innocent family that just moved in there with children. That's probably not an unusual story. So let's start with, let's not bomb people. How about that? How about we start there? So Knowing what we know about how that's the normal modus operandi.

[C]

I.

[A]

That's how it happened throughout the whole of the Obama administration. We know that Trump continued it in Somalia, in Yemen and other places. We can't say, oh, yes, but those ones.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with that. Well, now work that stuff out. We worked all that out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the kind of thing that belies logic. So stop it.

[E]

A whole organization of veterans against the Iraq war started because of all the atrocities they, they were made to do over there that they didn't even know know was going to happen. And then they, they catch them, catch themselves like shooting into villages with kids and stuff. And they're like, we shouldn't be doing this, but it's their orders. And so there's like so many veterans that were misguided over there.

[B]

Tommy Vito. Tommy Vitor posts this. Why is the Maga movement letting Marco Rubio shove a regime change war with Venezuela down their throats? None of them like or trust Rubio in the first place. It's baffling. Great point. Word like we. When. When he chose Marco Rubio, I said ab. The worst choice you could possibly make. This guy is a neocon. He wants wars. That's all he wants. He's a moron.

[A]

Russia blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. You guys, Their own pipeline.

[B]

That's how dumb Rubio is. Glenn Greenwald then reposted, says Rubio has been obsessed with for decades with getting the US to engineer regime change in Venezuela and Cuba. I grew up in South Florida where the Cuban invasion. Venezuelan. Cuban communities remain fixated on that region wanting the US to fix it. Weirdest America first movement ever. Yeah, regime change. And Nick Fuentes posted this golden age update. Regime change in Venezuela. Pardon for Netanyahu. Authorized Ukrainian strikes on Russia. Threatened to bomb Hamas, CBS and TikTok. Bought by Zionist Jews. 500% tariff on China. Imminent recession. Happy Diwali. No mass deportation. Patience. Cool.

[A]

Winning.

[E]

Oh, I think I also read on Rubio's blog that he thinks the latest Taylor Swift album is her best work yet. So you cannot trust that guy.

[A]

Even my 13 year old doesn't think that. So it's verifiably. All right, we're gonna go. Thank you so much for being here with us this week and we will see you here on Monday. Remember, we're live at 4pm Eastern. We also have a newsletter that, that prepares you for the things that we're gonna talk about in the show. It's totally free. You can find it at redacted.inc and it has links to original source material. We write it in the run up to the show and so please subscribe again. There's nothing that's upsold or cross sold is totally and completely free. Just put in Your email address reprodacted.inc and that's the way you know when a new show is coming out. We'll see you on Monday, everybody. Have a great weekend right now.