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Clayton
Welcome to Redacted. We're so glad you joined us. We have a special guest today. We gave you a hint in the newsletter. The hint was that his name rhymes with Mucker Marelson. So who do you think that might be joining us today? We're very excited to have Tucker Carlson. We're going to get to that in a minute.
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Natalie
That's right. And also Grover joined us in the studio today, too, because Grover knows that Tucker is a dog person. So Grover's like, hey, I'm going to. I want to see what all the shit's about today.
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Clayton
Special guest number two. That's right. All right, so we're going to talk about war propaganda. We're going to talk about media propaganda. We're going to talk about escalation of global wars. All of that in a second. But first, we want to tell you about our sponsor, Upward, because, hey, Upward is a place where shared values and family, commitment and faith come first, creating clarity and stability from the start. So if you've ever dated the wrong person, you know how disastrous that can be. But you can filter for values before you even get started. That's a great place for Upward because you don't want to fool around with someone who doesn't share your values, who doesn't want commitment, who's actually not looking for commitment. There are entire acronyms on dating sites of just looking, that kind of thing. Don't mess around with that. You guys find out how you can filter for the right person based on shared values. Modern dating can feel like it is not meant to serve you. So that's why we want you to download Upward today. It's available on the App Store and Google Play. There's also a link in our description because Again, so many apps are built for endless scrolling, casual connections, not for someone who has serious life commitments in in mind like you do. So if you're ready to date with intention instead of confusion, download the Upward app and start from a place of shared values Downward. Download Upward today and have you looked
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Clayton
Meanwhile, in we would like to remind you that In June of 2025, our next guest, Tucker Carlson. War about a war with Iran, and his warnings were not heeded. We're going to talk to him in just a moment, but let's take a look at the a few of the things that he predicted. Number one, he warned that a war with Iran would be hard because they have a well stocked arsenal of ballistic missiles aimed at U.S. bases and energy infrastructure of our allies, and they would use them in those directions. That would be bad. There is Victory lap number one. We're about to give him number two. He warned that this would fly further, ally Iran with China and Russia because it would turn those countries against the U.S. there is victory lap number two. Now, the third victory lap that we'd like to offer him when he comes up in a second, is that he predicted that Trump voters would feel betrayed by this and it could end his pregnancy, not pregnancy, presidency. Of course, I don't hate Trump, but I don't care at all what happens to his presidency. I care what happens to the American people. So, Tucker Carlson, without further ado, thank you for joining us on redacted today. We're gonna give you an opportun opportunity for those victory laps and give you an opportunity to let us know, how do you think this is going to play out for the American people given the prescience of your tweet almost a year ago?
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, gosh, I wouldn't give myself credit for prescience. I think it was also obvious and the effects were so predictable. The disruption to global energy supplies, the effects on the US Economy, the end of US Military bases, probably in some or all of the Gulf states, the loss of control over the Persian Gulf by the United States, the shrinking of American empire. I mean, you can make a case for all of those things, but this is not the way to do it. The way it's been done is so damaging to the United States. You have to believe, and I do believe that that was one of the goals, which was to weaken the US and get us out of the Middle East. And, you know, conceptually that's not, you know, I've never been in favor of American empire because I don't think it helps the United States. Okay. It hasn't. I don't think. However, once you have a global empire and you're responsible for trade routes and you write the rules of diplomacy and war and what we've done for 80 years, you can't just turn it off in a day or your country will be severely damaged. And I'm afraid that we're moving down that path. Like in five years, who's going to secure the Straits of Hormuz? Probably China. Who will occupy, you know, those now damaged and destroyed bases? I don't know. I'm just guessing. I hope I'm wrong. But it wouldn't shock me if it were China more immediately, who's going to bring an end to this conflict? It can't go on forever because this is the center of global energy. And not just energy. Petrochemicals fertilizer, you know, things countries actually need, the non negotiable things, resources. And so world has an interest in ending this, particularly Asia, South Korea, Japan, China, they're all dependent on this energy. So like, who brokers the peace here? It's not the US we don't have diplomacy anymore. We're so discredited. Our diplomacy is seen by the rest of the world as like a cover for war. This is all like a sneaky attempt to, you know, launch a sneak attack. And whether that's true or not, you know, you pray it's not true, but everyone thinks it's true. So we're not gonna negotiate an end to this. I don't know. The losses for the US are so sad that I just can't take a victory lap. I just feel depressed.
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Natalie
Yeah, it is absolutely depressing because so many pieces are moving at once with the US economy right now, fertilizer prices skyrocketing, food prices set to go up. We already see inflation, the numbers over the past 24 hours going up. So all of this is going to be hitting the Amer, you know, the American family, pretty hard, who was already hit very, very hard. And we just got this statement I want to read to you. I'm sure you've already seen it. Iran's new leader, Khomeini, just released the first statement as Supreme Leader, released it to Iranian television. It was, it was read. He didn't appear on video or anything like that. But among the points that he made, the Strait of Hormuz will be shut down forever until the United States begs, basically, we will not ignore the blood of our martyrs. They will be avenged. Basically, an eye for an eye. We are not an enemy of the countries around us. We're only targeting American bases, he said, but bombs are raining on your neighbors anyway. As a result of that, close all U.S. bases in the region or we will attack them all. And he calls for total Iranian unity. He says we will not forego avenging the blood of the martyrs. Every citizen killed by the enemy is a case for vengeance in itself. So it doesn't sound like they're done. Even though President Trump yesterday said we've won this war, it doesn't sound like this is over anytime soon.
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Tucker Carlson
I mean, well, it certainly doesn't. And Trump yesterday suggested we might use nuclear weapons in Iran. So, no, those are escalatory remarks. They're not, you know, consensus seeking remarks. However, you know, that country, maybe not this country, but certainly Iran, seems to have lots of different factions and of course, you know, they just threw the board in the air. A lot of people were killed. Like, it's not exactly clear who's running the country, who's making the key decisions. But my impression is there are different factions and some, you know, seek some sort of negotiated settlement sooner rather than later. But clearly there are a lot of people there after all the civilian deaths, after the killing of their religious leader, and after the failed diplomacy, who, you know, want to fight till the end. The question is, what does that mean? And I just worry that, you know, Israel is going to find itself in a position where, you know, it uses weapons of mass destruction. I'm not even attacking Israel, by the way. It's nine. It's the size of New Jersey. So, you know, you can see why they would feel threatened. I don't think they should ever use nuclear weapons. I think the United States should tell the Netanyahu government absolutely not. In fact, we're going to secure Dimona, we're going to secure nuclear sites. You're not allowed to use nuclear weapons because that could begin a cascade that ends the world. So you're not allowed to do that actually, Netanyahu. But you do understand how if their cities are getting bombed and the United States can't stop that from happening and they run out of missile defense or adequate missile defense, and maybe the bombing moves to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, I mean, you can see this getting super radical, which is one of the main arguments I made against starting it in the first place. You don't control it once it starts. There are other, you know, there are other players here. I didn't realize it was going to be a joint operation with a country that believes in Amalek. Whoever made that decision should be in jail. When was the last time the US Military partnered on a decision making level with another country in a war? That's crazy. You can have symbolic partners, but you can't have a partner who has co equal decision making authority because your interests are different. And you could wind up harming your own interests and those of the world very gravely. So you don't do that because you can't make a clear decision. And I think that we're not far from that right now. Like, their goals have always been different from our goals. Trump was convinced they had a nuclear program. I thought that was silly, but he seemed to believe it. He was also under immense pressure from the Israelis to do this because they were going to do it anyway, as the Secretary of State revealed. That's true, but I don't think there was any evidence that Trump wanted, you know, to commit ground troops to Iran or some protracted war over, you know, the killing of a religious leader or Amalek, or these weird end times fantasies that, honestly, both sides are engaging in. The Israelis especially, just being honest. Amalek. Are you kidding? How can. But by the way, Western civilization has no place for Amalek.
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Natalie
Can you explain to our audience, if someone's watching, have no idea what the hell that is? It's absolutely insane.
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Tucker Carlson
So Amalek is. There are many references to Amalek in what we call the Old Testament. Jews are called the Torah. And Amalek has referenced the Amalekites, who are the historic enemies of the Jewish people and who I think pursued them as they fled slavery in Egypt. Okay, so there are many references to it, but the critical reference is in 1st Samuel 15, in which God commands the Jews to kill the Amalekites. Amalek, all of them. And I mean literally kill all of them. Men, women, children, infants. I'm quoting now. Sheep and camels all trace. The Amalek of Amalek disappeared. Genocide, actually. Literal genocide, like they never existed. So the Jews, their leader, I think it was Samuel fails, he leaves some alive, and he doesn't kill all the camels, and God punishes him for not wiping Amalek off the face of the earth. So whatever you think of that as the theological matter or moral matter that's in the text, Christians reject it completely. There's no Christian concept of Amalek. Genocide is alien to Christianity. It's anathema to Christianity. It's a grave sin. Murdering innocents is a grave sin in Christianity. That's not the theology of Netanyahu. He has used the term amalek repeatedly since October 7, including on the day that the bombing started in Iran and described the Iranians as Amalek. So here you have the supposedly Western leader in, like, a necktie and, like, a Western haircut. He kind of looks like maybe he's from Europe or the US but his attitudes are not Western. They're Eastern. They're medieval. They're primitive. They're scary. They're genocidal. And we know that not because we hate him and we're making up things he said because we're listening to him say Amalek repeatedly to his people and to the world. So the idea that that guy is your partner or your friend or your ally or any kind of person you'd even want to have dinner with is insane. That person's way More dangerous. Who's more dangerous than that? For a head of state to say out loud, our job here is to kill everybody, including their children, because the bloodline itself must be extinguished. You know, I'm very opposed to Hitler. Okay. Just saying. I don't think Hitler ever said anything like that. I'm serious. I mean, killed a ton of people, including a ton of Jews, of course, but I don't think. Was Hitler ever on the record saying, we need to exterminate every single member of a specific bloodline? Maybe. I haven't read it. Netanyahu just said that last week, and he said it many other times. This is bonkers.
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Clayton
Yes. I want to ask you about influence inside the White House, because as someone who follows the conversation online, and you've said so this week that you visited the White House several times. I think you said three in the last year. And every time that gets reported on Twitter, that feels like a salve to my soul because I think there's an adult in the room. There's someone who is part of the anti war faction that does have connections in the White House. And it plays out very much like a Game of Thrones because we can't put the horse back in the barn because the war did go forward. And so we are left wondering, is Trump really the Joffrey Baratheon here or are there many Littlefingers? Maybe you don't watch Game of Thrones, but the Littlefinger character is very much the.
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Natalie
You forget, Tucker doesn't own a television thing, Right?
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Clayton
Okay. I don't know if you know these characters or not. Do you know what I mean by, like, Littlefinger as this sort of smarmy saboteur who is getting bad things to happen and puppeteering people in power, AKA Lindsey Graham or Laura Bloomer, those kind of. So what is your take on how many of those archetypes are in the White House?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, that's an interesting question. I mean, I was there three times, actually in a month in the month preceding the war and talked to the president by phone a bunch of times. So I definitely talked a lot to him about this. And my views haven't changed in 10 years, I think. I thought then, I think now that the US Getting into a war with Iran would be a disaster for the U.S. that's my concern. I'm not a secret Shiite, but I am an American, So I just have the same position I've always had. Trump had that position, too, as you well know. So the question is, how did this happen? I don't I mean, I don't work there, so obviously, so I don't really know, and I don't want to pretend I know more than I do. But my impression is that there weren't a lot of prominent people in the White House pushing for this, as far as I understand, again, could be wrong. But I understand most of the principals, you know, the people with the big jobs at the White House understood the risks. I think the President understood the risk. I mean, he did understand the risks. And generally. And I don't think any of them were pushing for it. I think all the pressure, or most of the pressure came from the outside. It came directly from Netanyahu. And in the end, my impression is what was decisive was Netanyahu's threat to just do it anyway. And meanwhile, you've got, like, a million Americans living in the Middle east, and you've got all these bases on the Gulf of the Gulf of Arabia, Persian Gulf, and you've got Israel, with which we have an implied defense guarantee. And so you have a lot of US Assets and Americans downrange from the Iranian response. So I think the idea was, well, now we have to go, well, that raises the really obvious question, which is like, well, why would Israel be in charge of that decision? Israel is a proxy. It's a client state. I mean, they. They wouldn't exist except for the United States. They wouldn't have nuclear weapons if they hadn't stolen the material from the United States, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not an attack on Israel. It's just an acknowledgement that a country of 9 million is not allowed to boss around a country of 350 million? Because that's crazy. But that's what happened. And so why did nobody call Netanyahu and say, listen, son, you know, I understand, you know, like Iran, get it, they funded Hezbollah, get it? But you can't go to war with them because this is the main route through which global energy flows. So we have an interest, the world has an interest. And moreover, we have all these assets there. So this affects us. And we're saying no. And as far as I know, and I definitely have asked a lot, that was never under consideration. And so then the final question is, well, why? Why would it not be the obvious first step to constrain a client state when it was about to do something that hurt you? Why is that off limits? Why are you not allowed to do that? And, you know, we can only guess, and some of the guesses are very dark, and they May be true. I can't prove it. But you have to ask yourself, like, what force could be that powerful that a president knowing this is not going to help him or his nation, does it anyway? And, you know, I don't know the answer. And if I did, I would just say it.
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Natalie
You talk about the, you know, collective punishment, and it's disgusting. I think we're, we're sort of crossing a Rubicon now in the United States, and it really, it sort of terrifies me. Do you think that the US is drifting into, like, a moral framework that it doesn't even recognize in itself anymore?
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Tucker Carlson
Are we adopting the ethics of the Israeli government? Yeah, obviously. And. Obviously. And by the way, I don't, you know, Israel's a very complicated topic and, you know, there are 9 million people live there, and not all of them agree with this stuff. But the Israeli government has been moving ever more openly toward this policy where, you know, I don't like the guy, but I'm also going to kill his kids because they could grow up to be that guy. And that is the antithesis of Western civilization. That's the distinction between east and West. Western civilization, Christian civilization rejects that. That's not just like a piece of our civilization. That's the foundation stone of our civilization. That's why we don't put families on trial for the crimes of the father, whereas other countries do. But we don't. We never have, we never can. Because that's the opposite of justice. Like that. This is the most basic concept in the West. God created each person as individual. And as an individual, you'll be judged for what you do, not for what your ancestors did, not for what your children did, for what you did. The primacy of the individual created by God, the existence of the individual soul. That's the basis of what we used to call human rights. Human rights apply to whom? Humans. All of them, by virtue of the fact they're human. That's where the rights come from, from God, because he made humans in his image. It's literally the basis of everything that we have. And so subtly, over time, due to kind of, you know, the normal decadence inspired stupidity of rich countries, we've kind of forgotten that. And you wake up one morning and like, oh, it's okay to kill an entire group of people because you don't like what some of them did. And at the same time, we're screaming about how antisemitism is wrong. Well, why anti Semitism is wrong. I agree. Why? Because it is always wrong to blame People for things they didn't do to hold them accountable for their bloodline. And so anti Semitism is absolutely wrong. And it's precisely as wrong. No more, no less than hating Arabs for being Arabs or hating whites for being whites, which is the most common form of bias in this country. It's embedded in our government against hating blacks for being black. It's all the same. And yet the same people who are constantly telling you that antisemitism is the greatest threat have actively abetted anti white discrimination for like 60 years. Like the ADL is fully on board with keeping people from getting jobs or college admissions or federal grants because they're white. So then you like reach the conclusion they don't care about human rights, they don't acknowledge their existence. They believe in tribal rights. My tribe gets these rights, yours doesn't. That attitude, precisely that attitude will destroy the United States. First of all, it's totally against Christianity, it's totally against Western civilization. But it also, as a practical matter is the road to violence, civil war.
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Natalie
And maybe the moral part of this is if you can remove yourself, you can remove the human element of it and you can avoid, of course, then use AI or autonomous targeting of these individuals. Right. And so that is a concern that certainly is top of mind after the, the targeting of the Min Minab girls school strike and whether or not AI machine assisted targeting played any kind of role in it. Where it sort of absolves us of like the moral conundrum here. And we can say that was AI was a mistake, it was, you know, we can't really have our hands in that it was. Humans weren't involved in that because it was AI, it was Palantir, whatever it was. Have you, in your massive connections and any kind of discussions you've had with maybe sources in the White House have heard that maybe AI was in any way involved in that.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, actually, it's funny you said that, I don't know much about much, but I'm interested in this subject and I know people involved in it. So I've definitely learned about it over the past six months. And yes, there are examples of ongoing work wars, not any I'm aware of in this war, but in other conflicts ongoing where targeting decisions have been made by machines with no human sign off. So I find that like one of the most shocking things and that's a fact.
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Natalie
With no human sign off.
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Tucker Carlson
That's correct, that's correct. I mean, I, you know, I mean the data are input into the, you know, I mean, I think the targets are loaded or something. But like at the end stage, it's just like, you know, identify, kill. And so that to me is like a profound change and really, really distressing. It's like, it's like the pager attacks, you know, 100x, you know, the pager attacks, where we just, we put bombs in these pagers and then they, they kind of circulate and we hope that they blow the legs off the right people, but there's no way to know. That's not acceptable. That's a, an act of terror. And yes, I'm aware that, like bad people were killed, but innocent people were killed. So that's an act of terror in my view. I mean, not in my view. That's, by definitionally it's an act of terror. I think it's very closely related to autonomous weapons. And you saw this really interesting argument fight break out between a big AI company and the administration right before the Iran war. And the company made the case that, look, we are not into two things. We are not into autonomous weapons and we're not into mass surveillance in the United States. And they lost their contracts, famously. And it was. There was so much going on at the time that I didn't look quite closely enough into it, but I have since, and I do think those were the sticking points. And maybe I'm being misled, but I believe that's right. Autonomous weapons and mass surveillance in the US Both of which are totally unacceptable, both under our constitution and under our existing moral framework. So. But as to the bombing of the girls school attached to the Iranian military base, I actually called around today on that because I'm really bothered by it. And the response that I got was, yes, AI is involved in all of this, but under current protocol, and in this specific case, a human being pressed play on this. Okay, so there was a human. Here's the question. Where the coordinates come from?
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Natalie
Right, right.
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Tucker Carlson
Who fed those coordinates to the United States military? This was the United States military. Now, we know that most of our sigyn, our signals information, or electronically gathered information from Iran, is translated by Israel because they're our partner in this venture. Well, we have two different aims. Israel wants the total destruction of Iran. And at this point, I think the United States, I can say, kind of just wants to get out. So Israel has every incentive to encourage the United States, you know, intentionally or not, to do things that cross the point of no return, where a diplomatic solution is really not possible. One of them would be killing the head of shia Islam, who's 86 and like has prostate cancer. Why would you do that? That'd be one, once you kill their religious leader, you're kind of all in. And another would be at least potentially killing the daughters of Iranian naval officers. And so I don't know that that happened and I don't want to suggest that I do, because I don't. But as this is investigated, I hope the question of where the targeting coordinates came from is raised and answered, because they certainly had motive to do that, because again, it's not even an attack on Israel. Their goals are different from ours. And so to partner with a country in a war that has a different endgame than you do is one of the craziest things this country's ever done.
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Clayton
Well, right. And if you, as you've made the case beautifully over the last week, if Israel is trying to sabotage the American government to get them to leave the region and no longer be a competitive superpower, which would mean that they don't have our best interests at heart, then this technology, which is born and used in Israel first and foremost, you know, the Palantir Maven software is used to track people in coordination with Dataminer, which can also cross check your social media and target you. And so the things that we've worried about the most have come to fruition being led into a war by our model ally, according to the Department of War. And so what we worry about next is that it will be targeted towards us. And that seems like a real possibility, that your social media will target you as someone to be tracked in order to. And can you play out worst case scenario? Because we already are in one. What would be the next?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I mean, you know, big picture, it's just always true everywhere that war changes societies faster than anything else. It's a great accelerant of social change. And a lot of the big social changes in our society over the past couple hundred years grow out of the changes during war. And some good, some bad, but always big. And one of the changes you see in every study, you've seen it in Israeli society, The Israel of 2026 bears no resemblance as a visitor to the Israel that I visited in years past. It's just a different, seems like a different country, different attitudes, different people. One of the reasons for that is a seven front war. You know, if you're constantly fighting wars and people are dying, you know, your tolerance for brutality, your anger at the people you're fighting, everything about your attitudes changes very, very fast. They harden and you become much more tolerant of atrocities than you would be in peacetime. That's just a fact. And you become much more tolerant of hurting your own citizens. People who disagree. I mean, you saw this in Great Britain during World War II. Winston Churchill, who I know were required to, you know, deify, presided over the imprisonment of his opposition party during the entire length of the war. And their families and their wives, they're rotting in prison, away from their little kids, in some cases their infants. And their crime was being the opposition party and being disloyal and unpatriotic. They weren't. The opposition party was led by a first World war war hero who fought not just as, you know, a pilot in the sky, but and in the trenches, like one of the great war heroes, former member of parliament the country ever produced. And he and his wife and his compatriots and their wives were interned without charges by Winston Churchill for the duration of the war. And that happened in Britain, which is, like, much more humane than a lot of places. So, you know, we should not fdr, intern the Japanese, including American citizens. That stuff happens during war. And so I think we should be on guard, for sure. I don't want to be paranoid or, you know, creeped out or inspire paranoia or fear in other people, but I think it's worth worrying about it. And rule by technology is clearly one of the goals. I mean, what else is the end game? If the US Government doesn't spend, relatively speaking, much time trying to improve the lives of the people who pay for it, like the citizens of the country, you either get some kind of revolt, or people like, this isn't working. Why would I pay my taxes? Why would I put up with this? Or you respond to people's legitimate concerns, make a good faith effort to make their lives better. Or you use technology to enslave them and shut them down so their opinions don't matter. Those are kind of the three options I'm hoping for. Number two, but. But you can certainly see the incentive to use technology against Americans to stop their bitching. I saw today. Who's the guy with the eyebrows on Facebook?
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Natalie
Oh, Ben Shapiro.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm so sorry to be mean. Yes, Ben Shapiro was. Was calling everybody who disagrees with him left and right because it's a horseshoe theory. He's sort of right about that, actually. But the party of discontent or the party of complaining. You're complaining?
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Natalie
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
Why are you complaining so much? The Guy's, like, got 105 IQ and he got into Harvard. So it's like, I'm thinking he Might have been the beneficiary of some special treatment. He and bill ackman both went to Harvard and they're both kind of dumb. So it just tells you that this is, you know, these are the people who run the country. This is the ruling class. Every nation has one. But to get a lecture from them about how you've got it easy. Stop complaining.
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Natalie
Yes, right. And else I'm supposed to be compliant because there's no outrage from Ben shapiro or the others about that. We're, you know, handing. We're turning into, you know, with the central bank digital currency. Or as Katherine Austin Fitzes so rightly put about the control grid. And we're handing over all of our data to these big tech oligarchs. And no one's speaking out against it. We're supposed to just be compliant and not complain. Shut up, you little. You know, I mean, really? Okay.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. I mean, I. I think I've thought a lot about it over the. I mean, I wrote a book about this almost 10 years ago. Like, what has gone wrong in the United states? And my first thought was, well, the. You know, we have a ruling class. This is supposed to be an egalitarian country. Well, there is no egalitarian country. There's a ruling class in every country, always from the beginning of time to the end of time. So the question is not do you have a ruling class? You do. The question is, how do they feel about the people they rule? And I think the key difference between the people in charge now and the people in charge say 60 years ago, is the people in charge now really dislike the population. And I think it's obvious in the results in declining life expectancy and the degradation of physical health. And 20% of white girls are on only fans or just name your measurement. It's like there's an intentional degradation, an intentional abandonment of the population that can only be attributed to loathing and contempt. And I think that's really scary. And so people who hate you probably predisposed to hurt you if they can. And if they have the technology to make it easy to do that, to constrain you from talking or expressing your opinions or having certain thoughts or going certain places, they'll probably use that technology in order to do it. Right? I mean, you can't assume any goodwill from people like that.
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Natalie
Absolutely, no. And you can't accept any goodwill or expect any goodwill from the mainstream media at all. And the propagandists in the mainstream media Is something that we all, all three of us actually know. Really, really well. So we're gonna take a quick break, grab an Alp pouch if you have one. Grab, grab a beverage of your choice. And we're gonna take a quick break.
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Clayton
I got a water bottle.
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Natalie
And we're gonna come back and talk about and how they're selling this war. We'll do that in a second. Our guest is Tucker Carlson. So we'll be back with him in just a second.
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Clayton
All right, all right. We're going to talk about mainstream TV and its pro war factions. Basically everything that you get on the boob tube, we'll sell you this war. Now we have Tucker Carlson as a guest today. Clayton warned me, Tucker doesn't watch tv, so don't use a lot of pop culture reference. So, Tucker, I just cut 4 inches off my hair today. And I said, I will keep cutting my hair and pull a Mulan if they try to draft my son. And Clayton said, Tucker's not gonna get that reference.
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Tucker Carlson
Mulan.
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Clayton
No, it's a Disney reference.
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Natalie
No.
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Tucker Carlson
No idea. No idea. But I was thinking both about cutting your hair. I need a new wig, obviously, myself. And then drafting your son, I mean, that's so it's. You know, I don't think that would. By the way, there's going to be no draft. Who would join, who would obey? Some, I guess people took the COVID shot, but I think they would have to give the slots to illegal aliens. They have to arm foreign nationals. A lot of people want to do
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Clayton
that, which may have been the plan all along.
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Tucker Carlson
I agree with that.
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Clayton
So, I mean, what the reference is, is Mulan is the Chinese story of the. Of the young girl who cut off all who went to war in place of her dad. And so that all that to say if they try and take my son, they're gonna get a fiery 5 foot 2 Latina instead, because they will not take my boy for a war based on this lie. So let's talk a bit about propaganda, because this week you had a show about this propaganda that's being used to sell the war. The White House is now resorting to using pop culture, movies, video games. Here's one they put out today, which is basically the Nintendo Wii. It really is conveying the idea that the US Military is heroic and unstoppable and that human life is nothing more than a video game avatar. I find this very insulting, but this is not new. And I brought an artifact to show this. During World War II, the Treasury Department literally hired Disney to teach Americans that paying taxes was patriotic because it bombed, it bought bombs and tanks. Now, it's amazing to watch this. We're just gonna show a few seconds, but you can watch the whole seven minutes if you just search for the New Spirit, 1942. And here is Donald Duck telling us we need to pay taxes to beat the Axis. Watch.
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Tucker Carlson
Your country is at war. Your country needs taxes for guns, taxes for ships, taxes for democracy, taxes to beat the Axis.
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Natalie
I'm burning taxes to beat the Axis.
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Clayton
So my question to you is, will it work this time? It does not seem to be working.
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Tucker Carlson
No, of course it won't work. I mean, because, by the way, propaganda only works if there's a predicate for it. You gotta lay the foundation for the propaganda, which you then repeat. Taxes against the Axis. But that assumes you know who the Axis is and why it's bad. But I don't think that anyone has even bothered to explain why we should be taking military action against Iran. Yeah, they might have nukes, but then you told us in June that we eliminated that threat. So, like, what is this? I don't really understand. And again, I felt like I was fairly close to it, but I still never have understood why the US population was never brought on board, or no one even made a good faith effort to bring them on board. And I find that a little more chilling because the message is it's not even worth propagandizing you. It's not even worth lying to you. We're just gonna do it anyway because what are you gonna do about it? That's the vibe that I got anyway. And that would be a big change.
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Natalie
Why do you think so many TV news anchors, the mainstream media, are so comfortable right now, sort of repeating the government lines in real time without any sort of checks on it whatsoever? No one's really questioning how this war ends, what is the goal? What is the end game? The embedded sort of Pentagon media that is, you know, now inside the Pentagon there I call like access journalism, which just infuriates the hell out of me because it's like the Fox News of the world. MSNBC is the NBC's or whatever that want to have interviews with high profile members of the administration. And so the only way to really do that, of course, is to just kiss their ass and to not ask the tough questions and so to have them on on a regular basis in that capacity. But no one's really asking the tough questions about how this thing ends. What is the, what is the timetable for getting out of this? What does the off ramp look like? There's, to me, total media malpractice. What do you, what do you see?
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Tucker Carlson
I mean, it's there, you know, because you worked there for so long. It's a lot of things. One is just shallowness. You know, these are people who know that their jobs are a lot less significant than viewers imagine they are. They're just reading some script, right? So it's kind of exciting to be talking about something big and historically important like a war. And you have no sense what that actually looks like. No one's ever actually seen a war. Those who have are a little less anxious to talk like that, but most of these people haven't. Some of them are not super geniuses. A lot of them are pretty nice, but they just don't know what they're talking about. The other factor is they know it's the red line. That's the red line. Like you could, you could get on tv. You know, there's so much like pretending that the red line is about race. And like, if I got on TV and said, actually black people committed an awful lot of crimes, that I'd be fired. It's like, not really. Actually, not really. Nobody really cares. If you get on TV and say something like, why are we supporting Ukraine in a war against Putin? Like, why should we be enemies with Putin?
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Natalie
Woo. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
Like the war stuff's not a joke. That's what they really, really care about. And I just know that from extensive experience, then the question is, well, why is that the one thing they really care about? Why was Rupert Murdoch on the phone with Trump constantly for the past year begging him to start a war with Iran? Which he was. That's right. And why are his media outlets, the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal, and then most obviously, Fox News relentlessly pushing for this? And I Mean pushing in a monochromatic way. Like, there's not what. There was one person whose name I don't want to mention because I don't want to hurt this person who asked one question, like, really, is this really a good idea? And that person's never addressed the topic again. They're very serious about this question. And the question is, like, why is that? Why is this your red line killing people in faraway countries? I don't really know the answer. And I've spent a lot more time than most people pondering this. I know a lot of people involved, or most of them, and I still don't really get it. And I feel like there's a spiritual element to this. Like killing other people makes you feel godlike. I do think that I watch Lindsey Graham, and you can tell it's like his psyche shattered by sodomy. He just, like, he's desperate to get the power that fills you when you know you're taking human life. I really think that, yeah, it's the same.
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Natalie
I just want to follow up with that, which is like Mark Levitt, like, if I were still working at Fox and if I had gone on social media and said, hey, we need to kill the head of a foreign country, and I repeated it loudly in all capital letters on a regular basis. If I said, you know, kill this person, kill that person, person, I have a feeling I would have received a phone call from the powers that be at Fox and said, I'm sorry, either knock it off or you're fired. But for Mark Levin, who's on the payroll, it doesn't matter. And just amplified. I don't understand that.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, it's more than that, too, because, I mean, Mark Levin, whatever you think of him, is talentless and was never successful in television at all. And Hannity got him that job on the weekends. It never rated. It doesn't rate now. Nobody watched it just because he's not good at tv and that's which is fine, you know, but he's not. And everyone knows that professional TV people look at Mark Levin, they're like, no, you're not getting a show. Sorry. And yet he has, through partly force of will, but also other forces that I'm not sure I can identify come to define the network. Like, he's. I don't have a tv, as you said, But I keep hear. I'm fascinated by this question. He's apparently all over the channel all the time. That was not true when we worked there. You wouldn't put Mark Levin on your Show. Why would you do that? Hannity did. Levin has some weird control over Hannity. I'd love to know more about that, but I don't. But he's on other people's shows and I just think it's amazing. They're basically hurting their own business in order to promote this war. And that's a, that's a pretty powerful statement.
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Natalie
Yeah, yeah, that is a great point. He has like a pawn show. He's like a pawn shop salesman. Like, if you look at him, you'd think, oh, that guy runs a pawn shop. He doesn't have a TV show. Sorry, go ahead.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, he's angry and unpleasant, unattractive, and he's not super articulate, actually, or interesting. It's like I can think of a lot of. I mean, you work in tv, you know what a good host is. That guy's the opposite. He's just not good. Even if I greeted him, I'd say
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Clayton
that, yeah, but why don't we look at it from the other end too? Because Fox News, for whatever reason, is going full force into this war. Or last summer we were watching when bombs were hitting Tel Aviv and Harris Faulkner said, Iran is doing this because they want to eradicate all Jews from the planet. And I was like, what a stupid thing to say. No context. That Israel had fired first. That's their line. It's completely ignorant. But the radical left is aligned with this war too. And I just really wonder how this happens now. I read Rachel Maddow's first book, Drift, and it is a condemnation of forever wars and a reminder of the human cost. Now fast forward 10 years later and she publishes prequel which is a condemnation of the anti war movement during World War II. And she lumps in mothers like me who don't want their kids drafted with Nazis. How does that happen? I know you knew her at one time. I just really don't understand how 10 years goes by and you, you are warning about the dangers of endless war and then all of a sudden you're warning about the dangers of anti war movements. What do you think happens to someone when they gain power in the media that would switch your brain so drastically?
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Tucker Carlson
Tribalism, that's what. And that's the point of whipping up tribalism because it short circuits people's brains. I watch this Naomi Wolf, who I love, was like a great person and I agree with her on everything except this. And all of a sudden she's calling me an anti Semite and texting me, why are we an anti Semite? And I'M like, I actually hate anti Semitism. I'm not an anti Semite. Yes, you are. And it's because people get terrified that their group is going to be hurt. And you know, I get it, I'm not even judging it. But I'm saying this is the fruit of a long term strategy to make people feel insecure and afraid on the basis of group identity because they're much easier to control when they're terrified. And I saw this exact same thing when I covered black politics 30 years ago, covered Al Sharpton, who I really liked, actually. Funny guy, but totally unqualified for anything. He's a criminal. And he would go to or travel around with Al Sharpton and no one in poor black neighborhoods. A lot of them are like, this guy's a total fraud. But they would never say that it's like a white person because the feeling was he's a fraud, but we're under attack. Therefore we have to stick together and not criticize a guy who calls himself our leader. By the way, you see this a little bit with whites, rural whites, and Trump just being honest. I mean, I actually technically am a rural white. I'm white, I live in a rural area. I campaigned for Trump, voted for him. But we just have to be honest that tribalism, which is to say the strongest stoking of primordial fears that my group is going to get killed by that group, makes us much more obedient to our leaders and much more likely to stick together on the basis of tribal identification and much less interested in, like, reasoned argument or appeals to the common good. It's just a fact. And I think you're seeing that in part now. And I think I do. I do.
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Clayton
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
I think, I mean, I guess they're telling that we're on the verge of pogroms.
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Clayton
I guess I just thought, does she have defense contracts that she would publish a book like this after what I thought? Drift was quite a prescient book. I don't mean to have used that word twice now, but.
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Tucker Carlson
No, it's appropriate.
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Clayton
Yeah. And now this. And I just don't get it. How someone can go so hard in the anti war paint, I just don't understand. So you think it's not just defense contracting money?
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Tucker Carlson
I don't think I would be shocked if Rachel was like tied in with Raytheon in any way, though that may change. Can I suggest another answer? I actually wrote a book about this once, about 10 years ago that I do think that liberals have always hated war and the Sincere liberals have hated it because they don't believe in hurting people and killing the innocent. And those are the kind of liberals I'm very much on side with. But there were other liberals who didn't like the defense establishment because they thought it was not on their side. And a lot of them realized under Clinton when he started blowing up baby milk factories and bombing the Serbs, that actually war and the war machine could be used on their behalf. And that actually if we spend a trillion or a trillion and a half dollars on the Department of Defense, like that's a lot of power, we should probably take control of that. And it may be that Rachel Maddow sympathizes with the war machine because the modern war machine is populated by people who watch racial Maddow. And that's something that non liberals don't really get, that most flag officers I've run into in the US Military lived in DC My whole life. So there's everyone's rotating out of the Pentagon. So you run into a lot of military people. Like at dinner, all the not all, but most of the generals and admirals that I sat next to were like Rachel Maddow liberals. And they all had like master's degrees in something stupid from Stanford. They were dumb people. They were almost all dumb people, but they were compliant, obedient, organization type people. They were bureaucrats. And bureaucrats are liberal because they're broken inside. They seek safety in numbers. The organization's more important than the individual. For all the familiar psychological motives that Ted Kaczynski so brilliantly described in his first book, they are liberal. And I think Rachel Maddow, who's smart, knows that, like the war machine is on her side. That's just true. It is. It's on her side, which is why they kill so many Christians around the world. It's why they hate Putin. I mean, honestly.
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Clayton
Yeah, no, you're right to swallow.
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Natalie
It is hard to swallow. And it's spot on, though. I mean, we've been around these New York City liberals, these media liberals. I want to ask you, sticking on the media question here, Tucker, before we let you go in a few minutes, is about this media blackout on a whole host of questions right now in this war. But first and top of mind for me is the number of Americans killed and the number of Americans wounded in this war. On Monday on our show on the 9th of March, we reported here, according military sources we've been speaking to, that the number of wounded was 147Americans and that had that number hadn't come out. And then the next day Reuters had an exclusive, which I find it's very interesting how that works. Had an exclusive where they reported 140 soldiers wounded. And then the Pentagon responded and says, yes, that's accurate. And then it turns out that those wounded aren't just like, they don't have hang nails, like they got it caught on a piece of cotton on their shirt. Like traumatic brain injuries. Their lives forever devastated, of course. And this is all, of course, being kept. No one was really asking the wounded question. And now we're getting like slow rolling of these numbers out about the American killed and wounded from your sources and very, very close to the White House. Are those numbers accurate? Are you hearing something different? And why do you think the media is just hiding these numbers?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I think there are a couple of reasons. And the short answer is I don't know the truth. I would say the media is hesitant to push on this matter for two reasons. One, they support the war because they just support war reflexively, because they support big organizations reflexively, because they're cowards and weak inside. And they realize that the enemies of the institution are their enemies. So that's number one. For the same reason Rachel Maddow supports Raytheon. The second reason is, I think more legitimate, which is, you know, it's people died, the families. It's like, ooh, you don't want to get, you don't want to do anything disrespectful. There's a kind of moral blackmail when you deal with the government, as I have for like 25 years on this question. Various conflicts, how many people died? Like, don't you have an obligation to tell us that? Whoa, you know, you're disrespecting the families. And part of that is just like a cover for their lying. They don't want you to know people have been injured. They don't want you to know the cost of this in dollars or in lives. But part of it is kind of real. Like the last thing you want to do is make the families feel worse. They feel bad enough. So I do think it's just a touchy subject as to how many people have died. And by the way, the same with ground troops. So. Ground troops. The United States I don't think has any intention at all ever of sending like an Iraq invasion style force into Iran. I just, I just don't believe that's going to happen before we did that. That's my impression. But that doesn't mean that there aren't boots on the ground, there aren't Special Operators, you know, Tier one guys on the ground. You know, it doesn't mean that at all. And those poor guys, some of whom, you know, because we know, because they're in media world a lot, so much is put on their shoulders. It's like they actually don't send regular army troops as often as they send Delta Force and various SEAL teams. Like, those guys get used a lot. I would say too much. I think it's terrible for them. It's obviously risky for them, but it's not good for them. And I wouldn't assume that they're not there. But then on the other hand, at all. Wouldn't assume that at all. On the other hand, do you really want in the middle of a war to be like, oh, yeah, you know, Seal Team 4 is here. So I think we're at a huge, I feel personally at a huge disadvantage. I feel much more comfortable saying, when are you gonna get the Straits of Hormuz open? Than I am saying, like, you know, do we have guys on the ground on some island?
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Natalie
Right.
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Tucker Carlson
Even if you suspect we do. And the last point I would say is there's so much lying and so much censorship and some of it is on purpose. So much AI designed to deceive you and make you unsure of what you know. That like, you end up thinking, I don't know anything. You know, you read Ben GVIR got killed or the Ayatollah, the second Ayatollah is actually dead. You know, who knows?
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Natalie
Netanyahu's brother was killed. I mean, I guess that was going to be. My next question was about, you know, do we know how. What the destruction has been like in Israel? I mean, there's been a total blackout
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Tucker Carlson
on,
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Natalie
total blackout on Israeli attacks. What's your sense of everyday life now for the Israelis?
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Tucker Carlson
I don't know. I'm not quite as popular in Israel as I once was. I'm not quite as well sourced. I do know a lot of people in the Gulf and where it's also illegal, by the way, to share social media video of the destruction. And in those six Gulf monarchies, some wonderful people there. And I think it varies by country, but I think in some of them it's pretty tough. Pretty darn tough. The one piece of tape that got my attention that I've been thinking about for the last five years is video of a missile or a missile segment about 100 yards from the Dome of the Rock, an Al Aqsa mosque complex. And by the way, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. And I think the concern, the global concern, the concern that like our descendants will be talking about, is the destruction of the Al Aqs Hamas complex and the Dome of the Rock, you know, the gold dome over the foundation stone in Jerusalem, that's like at the center of two of the three Abrahamic faiths. If that were destroyed in this, you would have a genera. Well, I think you would. I don't even know. But nothing like that has happened in our lifetimes or in our ancestors lifetimes. Like that would be the beginning of a generational global war and perhaps a nuclear exchange. I mean, that would be the end. And there are a lot of people in Israel who want that. Not a lot. Maybe I don't know the numbers, but there are certainly prominent figures in Israel who want that. And so I think the second thing the US Government has to do, in addition to making certain that Israel never launches nuclear weapons against anybody, the second thing they need to do is make sure that the Dome of the Rock, that mosque is protected. Not because we're Muslims, we're protecting Islam, but because that would end the world as we know it. So, no, we're not doing that. You know, we're not false flagging Dome of the Rock. We're also going to try to protect it from errant Iranian missiles or whatever. But that's a priority. That's my opinion. I think we should do that because I'm concerned about that.
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Natalie
You are, politically. Can I ask you a question?
- [60:21]
Clayton
Oh, I just wanted to tell you this little anecdote since I know you don't worry about popularity at all. You're really immune to that kind of thing. But let me just tell you, this nice anecdote is you're a Californian. I'm a Californian. I have a lot of friends that are Californian liberals who are now sharing videos of Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee getting absolutely wrecked by you and saying, look at this, I can't believe I'm sharing Tucker Carlson. And my response is usually, why? What? What don't you like about Tucker Carlson? They don't know why. They've just been told not to like you because of the mainstream media. But look at this new generation that you are inspiring now with your commitment to honesty. So if that's a comfort to you at all, you know, in the popularity that you've lost, you've gained many too.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, thank you. I grew up with the furry armpit ladies making granola in my classroom in first Grade. There was a whole, whole category of California liberals who I really liked. I mean, I made fun of them, but I always liked them. They were sweet people in their tank tops and their God's eyes hanging on their rear view mirrors and everything. And I hope they're still around because they were fundamentally nice people.
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Clayton
They might be cheering you on again.
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Natalie
I hope so. It's true. Like they're saying, I've been red pilled by Tucker Carlson. I like hearing these stories of people. They've been awakened by it all. Oh, yeah. I guess that's all we've got for you, Tucker. I don't want to take up more of your time. Thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
It's great to see you.
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Natalie
Yeah, it's been great to see you as well and keep doing what you're doing, the incredible work that you're doing and, and being one of those. I guess I wanted to ask you real quick before you go, because we just saw last night. You follow politics so closely. You know it better than just about anyone. I know what you saw happen with last night with Thomas Massie at Galrain, down there with Donald Trump in Kentucky. And so after Trump has this rally with Galrain, who gets up on stage and makes some really weird speech. After that, the numbers, the poll numbers shifted for 15 percentage points in Massie's favor. I don't know how closely you looked at those polls or not, but I just think to me that's like a microcosm of this battle right now. What's happening in Kentucky with Congressman Massie versus this sort of war machine. How do you see it?
- [62:41]
Tucker Carlson
I see it as really sad. I mean, I was there. I was standing next to Trump at Mar a Lago when he won. I was with him on stage in the weeks before. I was there the next morning with all the transition guys. I mean, I really felt like I saw that all up close. I thought it was thrilling. I thought the coalition that he pulled together in last election was like a true sign of hope in American politics. People who never voted for Republicans, never voted at all voted for him. Young people, you know, black men and Hispanic guys and like, just Americans all coming together, you know, And I really like that. And to see the neocons intentionally destroy that coalition because ultimately it was a threat to them. Anything. America first is a threat to people who demand loyalty to a foreign country. They did it on purpose. And it worked. It worked. And all of a sudden MTG and Massie are the main enemies. I'm a bigger danger than according to Ted Cruz and any liberal like, what, it was all on purpose. They did it on purpose. They destroyed Trump's 2024 coalition, got him to go along with it somehow, and they just blew it up. And I hope someone rebuilds it. I hope someone rebuilds a political coalition of normal people who just want their government not to hate them and to make a good faith effort to improve their lives. Recognizing it's not easy. We have different views on how to do it, but we can at least try. Doesn't always have to be about degrading people and putting them deeper into debt and getting their daughters on Onlyfans and invading Iran. Like, that is not a program anyone really wants other than Ben Shapiro. So I would like to have a party for people who just want normal. Hey, let's improve the country politics. And I hope we can have that.
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Natalie
You know, imagine that. Imagine that. Imagine that. That's so radical. Remarkable. Oh, man. The great Tucker Carlson. Great to see you, my friend. Thank you for being here. It's wonderful to see you both so generous with your time.
- [64:39]
Clayton
Really great.
- [64:39]
Natalie
Thanks.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I love it.
- [64:40]
Natalie
Thanks.
- [64:40]
Tucker Carlson
Thank you. See you guys.
- [64:42]
Natalie
See you.
- [64:42]
Clayton
Hello to your family.
- [64:43]
Natalie
Yeah, give my. Give my best to your lovely family. All right. Thanks, Tucker.
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Tucker Carlson
Thank you.
- [64:47]
Natalie
All right, let's check in on the chat room. People are saying Massey 20, 2028 and Tucker 2028. Wouldn't that be amazing?
- [64:56]
Clayton
Is that what the chat room's saying? And do they have an opinion about my new haircut? Just kidding.
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Unknown Male Host
I'm not reading the chat. I'm not reading chat. But I'm telling you that they are 100 on board. Everybody is all right.
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Clayton
When a woman cuts this much off of her hair, it's a big day. And then also I got to talk to Tucker Carlson. So, you know, I think I've seen 75.
- [65:19]
Tucker Carlson
75 comments so far saying 4 inches. So they. They know the exact.
- [65:23]
Clayton
No.
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Natalie
And they were talking about. They were talking about David. Okay,
- [65:32]
Clayton
That's a good one.
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Natalie
So, yeah, no, it's a good day. It's a great day, and great to have Tucker here on the show. I think what he said there at the end is really important. I mean, basically, the neocons and this, like, pro war movement have really blown up the entire MAGA movement. The Trump coalition that Trump built has been basically in many ways destroyed by this.
- [65:53]
Clayton
I've been thinking a lot lately about Tulsi Gabbard, specifically, you know, the actor that was very much Zachary Levy, not Zachary Quinto is from Heroes. Oh, Zachary Levy, who was Campaigning with. And like, this was. This was the. This was the plan, guys. How did. How'd we get here? You know, and. Yeah. What, what we may or may not have. Have, have swallowed anyhow. Yeah.
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Natalie
All right, we're going to take some of your super chats here and get to all of your commentary here if we can. Any kind of comments coming in, super chats coming in. We'll try to take them and put them up on the screen. Blue Ridge Bobcat says Natalie looks like Velma from Scooby Doo.
- [66:36]
Clayton
Do I. Yeah, okay, I could see that. I'll take that.
- [66:40]
Natalie
I. Yeah, not really agree with the dark glasses, maybe.
- [66:43]
Clayton
Possibly.
- [66:45]
Natalie
Hard to say. All right, yeah, we're gonna do that. But first, first I want to tell you about our friends at Rumble Wallet. Rumble Wallet. Okay, so we've had many of our guests, many of our journalism friends have been debanked. Why have they been debanked? Because of their politics, I guess, or because of their reporting. I don't know. But that's why we need to step away from these big banks because they are threatening and they are threatened by the blockchain. They are threatened by crypto. They are threatened by Rumble Wallet. And that's why I love Rumble wallet. Go to wallet.rumble.com and download it today because you have control of your finances. No one can cancel you. No one can take away your wallet and it again, you have protection. No one controls it. Not even Rumble has access to it. So Rumble doesn't have access to it. The big banks don't can't touch it. They can't do anything with it. When you die, download it, it's yours. And you can, of course, buy physical gold bars using usat, which is the new Tether Gold on the blockchain. You can buy and save digital assets like Bitcoin or Tether Gold or usat, any of them. You want to buy the new Z Cash. Zcash is probably about to take over Bitcoin because it's anonymous, whereas Bitcoin, everything is tracked and they know exactly what you're buying. Zcash could be the next big cryptocurrency. So it's not only a wallet to buy and say, but it also allows you to support your favorite creators by easily tipping them with the click of a button. You can do that. There's no fees when you tip our channel or any other creator, and we actually receive the tip instantly. So many of you have been kind and you've sent a nice little tip that's very kind. Of you, and we receive it instantly. I was just sitting there the other night on the couch after a long day, and I got a nice little tip from a viewer. So thank you very much. You can do that and you don't have to at all. I just want you to try Rumble wallet for yourself. You don't have to worry about tipping us at all. Go. Go to wallet.rumble.com support our show, support other creators, Open an account and step away from big banks for good. Wallet.rumble.com or just go to. Just search Rumble wallet on the app stores. Any app store you want. All right, all right, all right. Trust the plan. Anthony Goodley. Let's see here. No, just laughing at a. Like a maga comment. Oh, that's pretty funny. Hair looks great. Natalie, I truly appreciate all that redacted team does. Love you. Thank you so much. Easy G17. Really kind of you.
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Clayton
Thank you so much.
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Natalie
Let's see.
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Clayton
There was another Californian saying, thanks for having Tucker on. And the truth will. Will out. Do you have that one? It was. It was way up there.
- [69:37]
Natalie
Oh, no. Here's a super chat.
- [69:39]
Clayton
There was another one. Not that one.
- [69:41]
Natalie
Trying to.
- [69:44]
Clayton
Yeah, yeah.
- [69:46]
Natalie
I don't know. Anyway, you can just say it. That's all right.
- [69:49]
Clayton
It was.
- [69:49]
Natalie
Was.
- [69:49]
Clayton
It was something like that. That was another Californian saying, you know, love Tucker. Let's see. I can find.
- [69:58]
Natalie
Oh, you got it there. Okay.
- [69:59]
Clayton
Thanks for hosting Tucker from rpjm. Telling the truth wins people over, even those in California. That's right. So they're. They're not mention. They're not confessing to be a Californian. They're saying even Californians can see the truth. I hope that's true. I am a native Californian, man.
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Natalie
Big balls says zcash is actually traceable. The only one that's not as Monero Clayton. Is that true? Okay.
- [70:23]
Clayton
I don't know.
- [70:24]
Natalie
Thank you. Thank you, Big balls. Appreciate that. Pantime says, love your hair, Natalie.
- [70:31]
Clayton
Thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
Hey, sorry. I just.
- [70:33]
Clayton
Go ahead.
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Natalie
I just.
- [70:34]
Unknown Male Host
I just got back in here.
- [70:35]
Tucker Carlson
I'd been gone for a little bit.
- [70:36]
Natalie
Did.
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Tucker Carlson
Did you cut your hair? Stop it.
- [70:42]
Clayton
Sometimes I have small complaints about being the only woman on our team. And so I sat down and I was like, they're gonna notice, and they didn't. But I thought my mulan joke was pretty good. Right? And I. I mean it as well. You come for my kid, I'm going instead.
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Natalie
Well, you'd have to fight me first because there's no way they're taking my son to fight on Israel's behalf. I will. I will Red dawn their asses. I will tell you that much. Wolverines.
- [71:09]
Clayton
John Wick, right.
- [71:10]
Natalie
I will John Wick their asses. That's right. You come for my son.
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Unknown Male Host
And that's. That's. That's one of those things. I said it yesterday about Lindsey Graham, but Ben Shapiro, too. Like, I'm a. I'm a firm believer that if you're going to stand around and spout that we need to go to this war, then get your ass out there, buddy. And Ben Shapiro is young enough. He could still enlist. I'm sure. I'm sure they'd take him.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Unknown Male Host
It'd be like, does he have kids the day after tomorrow, like, with Tom Cruise? Ever seen that one?
- [71:35]
Natalie
Yeah.
- [71:36]
Unknown Male Host
Where he's like. He's. He's a. His character's like a. Like a military media person. And so he's like, telling this general, like, how it should be and how he should do this to sell the war. And the general's like, well, good, because you're shipping out tomorrow. And he's like, no, wait, I can't go out there. And they freaking put him right out on the front line. And it's like, yep, there you go, buddy.
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Clayton
Oh, I would like that movie.
- [71:56]
Natalie
Noel says John Wick has nothing to do with Red Dawn. No, I know, but it's just about
- [72:01]
Clayton
using the pop culture references.
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Natalie
We're just spitting, like, badassery, you know, like, Red Dawn. Like, I'm going to defend the homeland. You know, that's the point. Someone. We were talking. It's the other day, maybe it was Colonel McGregor. The idea that Americans would defend their homeland, like, if we had invaders. Actually, I don't know that to be the truth anymore, because we had 20 million invade us over the last four years, and Americans kind of did. Didn't do anything about it. Right. I mean, other than.
- [72:28]
Tucker Carlson
Well, but it was kind of like, under the radar.
- [72:30]
Clayton
Yeah.
- [72:31]
Tucker Carlson
It was like a known thing and everybody was happening.
- [72:34]
Natalie
We knew weird choke points were. We knew where the. The Darien Gap. We covered it.
- [72:39]
Clayton
But a lot of Americans thought they were voting for that, and they did, by the way, to be fair, Trump
- [72:46]
Natalie
closed the border, so. Absolutely. That was the. Like, that was one of the most impressive things about voting for Trump. Right. For the people that voted for Trump. Close the border. Shut it down.
- [72:54]
Clayton
Yeah.
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Natalie
Talk to the border patrol agents, like, almost. No. No one coming across now. So great. Shut down. Still got tens of millions of illegals in the country now here, sleeper cells and otherwise. That are actively in the United States. So got to get those people out. It's much taller order to try to track them down. But I guess my point is like, Red dawn is like, hey, defending the homeland. And if you told us that, like Iran was invading the United States right now, there's ships on either coast, they're bombing the middle of the country, Americans would rise up and defend their homeland. That's what Americans would do. But because these boondoggle wars in the Middle east have nothing to do with us. They're so separated from us.
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Clayton
Well, we wouldn't have the equipment. It's overseas. That's something that Tucker brought up on his show yesterday. Yeah. Most of our. Our gear is not even here.
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Natalie
It's unbelievable. Lee, Lisa says talk to Colonel Towner about the UNESCO stay behind units. Well, I've done a whole deep dive with Colonel Watkins about the gladio stay behind units. You can watch that full interview here on the channel next week on the show. She is going to be here and joining us to deep dive the Iran war and who's benefiting from this war and the stay behind units that are being used right now to sort of foment this chaos. We're going to talk to her. I'm very excited about that.
- [74:13]
Clayton
Yeah. Okay. Ronald Vaught says thank you. Wonderful program. Thanks for having Tucker on. Can you see that one on YouTube? No.
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Natalie
Where's it?
- [74:22]
Clayton
You. You only have Rumble?
- [74:23]
Natalie
No, I have both of them here. But this is the dashboard I can click on as they fly by.
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Clayton
Oh, well, I got you a little. A little too fast.
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Natalie
Blue skin 57. Clayton, what is your. Your favorite conspiracy theory?
- [74:37]
Clayton
Bigfoot is his thing.
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Natalie
I don't know. It's a conspiracy. Like you. No, like.
- [74:41]
Clayton
No, no.
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Natalie
That's just. That's just paranormal. That's just. That's not a conspiracy. That's just cryptids.
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Clayton
What about the mer people?
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Natalie
No, but then again, that's just. That's just cryptids. That's just paranormal. My favorite conspiracy theory probably is that the unite. Well, I don't know. It's tough. One of them is that the United States government has all of this advanced technology, like free energy. We have jump rooms that we can actually walk into and be transported instantly. There are jump rooms in the United States? Members of the military I've spoken to have seen them. They've been in them. We have time travel rooms. The US Military has access to those. So I think those are. And the fact that we have this free energy.
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Clayton
Yes.
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Natalie
Like, then I don't need to, like, pay for gasoline anymore and I could just be teleported somewhere.
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Clayton
Yeah.
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Natalie
What about your favorite conspiracy
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Clayton
McCarthyism? I like that. I like the global banking cabal killed John Paul I.
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Natalie
That's a good. All right, so the global banking cabal killed John Paul Pope John Paul I in the 70s.
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Clayton
That's. I'm sure of it. I think that's a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy.
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Natalie
I think.
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Unknown Male Host
I think mine. I don't know if it's a. I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory, but. But I'm always fascinated with the.
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Tucker Carlson
The.
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Unknown Male Host
The simulation hypothesis for.
- [76:04]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Unknown Male Host
The universe.
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Natalie
Yeah. That's a good one. That we're living in a. Living in a simulation, as David Ike, as David Icke says. I mean.
- [76:12]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, mine would be there.
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Unknown Male Host
Fascinates me.
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Tucker Carlson
What? Oh, yeah.
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Unknown Male Host
Kind of goes along well, the simulation theory. Like, it fascinates me because, like, would it matter? Is it. Are we any less real if we are in a simulation? Like, the. The. Our experiences are still the same whether they're simulated or not. So it's like. It's one of those, like, conspiracies that I go down. And then at the end of it, every time, I, like, I don't lose my mind over, like, contemplating infinity because I'm like, it doesn't really matter, though.
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Natalie
The thing that really matters. Matters is to know that we're being controlled, right? That we are being controlled and manipulated. That, to me, it's more empowering to know that we are living in this simulation where we are being controlled with, you know, AI programming, propaganda and programming, all of it. The graphine, graphene oxide, you know, manipulation. Now through that, the intelligence agent agencies are using through different shots and vaccines and things like that 6G technology that's controlled, you know, about to be really rolled out and controlling us. So it's empowering to know that we are being controlled. And you could, like, break three free of the Matrix, as David Ike likes to say. Break free of it, you know?
- [77:23]
Clayton
Yeah.
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Natalie
So how many of you in the chat room right now? We got tens of thousands of you. How many of you believe we are living in a simulation right now? Let us know what you guys think. Think energy from ether is real and should be free by now. Yeah. I mean, freaking Nikola Tesla, for crying out loud. Yeah, right. You.
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Tucker Carlson
You know what really made me think about the. The, you know, that theory is the, the whole. What's it called, where there's different timelines, two different things have happened. The, The Mandela effect, like, getting down, going down. That Rabbit hole. Of all the different things that, like, we remember versus what somebody else remembers, like saying the. Oh, yeah, the cornucopia for Hanes never existed.
- [78:03]
Unknown Male Host
But if you look it up, like,
- [78:04]
Tucker Carlson
you can actually find it, you know,
- [78:06]
Clayton
or the bear seen bears. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- [78:09]
Unknown Male Host
Stuff like.
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Natalie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool stuff, too. Someone in the chat room said a minute ago that you, Clayton, you really think that they have time. Time machines? Do they have time machines? Oh, there it is. The cunning linguistic says, duh.
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Tucker Carlson
They're called watches.
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Natalie
Time machine. Yeah, well, I really do. Again, I can only go on what military sources that I've spoken to who've witnessed them, watched them, seen them with their own eyes, seen these time machine jump rooms where they've walked into rooms and it's like a giant hall and there's different rooms for different periods of time, and members of the military are, like, coming in and out of them wearing uniforms from that time period. Again, take it or leave it. Believe it or not. I don't know. I want to believe it, though, because I love time travel. I love time travel movies. Back to the Future, probably my favorite movie of all time. So I do. But I believe it. And not because I want to, but because people have told me this. Multiple members of the US Military who've been involved in the secret space program I've heard this from. So. And we think of time travel sort of like in a linear way, but it's not at all. And if you understand how this crazy universe works, it's probably more believable than that, so.
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Clayton
Well, I don't understand how the universe works, but I am so grateful for our audience for trying to figure it out collectively because the more we can collaborate, the more we can say, speak freely, the better and the safer we are, the less we hand our government's power. So thank you so much for joining us today. We will have content for you throughout the weekend and be back here next week. And anything else you'd like to say before we go?
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Natalie
No, I mean, well, someone in the chat said we don't have time travel because obviously they would have manipulated certain things. But the truth is, if you understand, again, secret space program people saying we are not able to actually manipulate time, where we're actually able to, like, visit it, but not manipulate it, because it's already happened, so.
- [80:12]
Tucker Carlson
And how do we know that all these billionaires aren't a bunch of biffs, Right?
- [80:16]
Natalie
They got the almanac, the sports almanac. Hey, Biff McFly. Anyway, that's all yeah, that's all we want to say. Thank you to Tucker Carlson, thanks to our great team here at Redacted for doing an incredible job. And yeah, we will be back here with great content throughout the weekend and and next week as well. So have a great night everyone.
- [80:34]
Clayton
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Natalie
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Natalie
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