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US Imposes DEVASTATING Naval Blockade on Iran, Threatening Global Oil Supplies & World War
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Well, as of this morning, US Iran talks in Islamabad of course have broken down and this two week cease fire is close to total collapse. And of course that's exactly how Israel and the neocons in Washington would love it to be. I'm sure that, I'm sure that Lindsey Graham was doing a celebration this weekend after J.D. vance walked away. President Trump ordered a U.S. naval blockade targeting ships entering or leaving Iranian ports. The Strait of Hormuz that has now started. The key nuance, of course, is that the U.S. military statements say that this is not a total shutdown of every vessel in the strait. Ships traveling to non Iranian ports are still supposed to be allowed to go through. Good luck with that. Even so, it's a major escalation. Iran has threatened retaliation. They're going to close parts of the Red Sea with their with the help of the Houthis, of course. Tanker traffic has now slowed to a crawl. Some ships have totally delayed reverse course by the way, many of them are now heading to the United States into the Gulf of America to fill up and get gas. Oil and gas is exactly what Trump wanted, of course. So all of this is raising fears of a wider conflict, deeper disruption to global energy supplies right now. And the economic shock has been immediate. The Strait of Hormuz carries about one fifth of global oil trade. Reuters reports that the blockade could keep roughly 2 million barrels of a day of Iranian oil off the market. Oil prices jump back above $100 a barrel after these talks collapsed and the blockade was announced. Nikki Haley popped up. You know what's about to happen. Whenever neocons like Nikki Haley pop up on the Sunday talk shows, they drag her out. On cnn. She predicted yesterday that the US Will probably need to send ground troops into Iran. And she basically praised President Trump for blocking the Strait of Hormuz, describing this as something, you know, putting boots on the ground, something America definitely has to do.
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Co-Host Natalie
Nikki Haley, I think she doesn't care where boots go. She just wants American men fighting and dying. Cuz she definitely wanted boots on the ground in Russia.
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Host Clayton
Oh yeah.
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Co-Host Natalie
Now she's like, I guess this will do. We need to send boots somewhere. People need to be dying for the US Government. That is her cause. De celeb.
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Host Clayton
Jeremy Scahill is the author of Dirty wars, the World Is a Battlefield and he joins us now. He's also the international bestselling author of Blackwater. Jeremy, welcome to the show. Great to have you here.
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Jeremy Scahill
Thanks for having me.
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Host Clayton
So maybe you can give us an assessment where you say after these talks failed in Iran, and it seems to be, even though we still have like two weeks on this ceasefire, 10 days, whatever, it seems like everyone's just kind of throwing their hands up like, we are done. We are, we are going back to our corners and that round is over. And back to the fighting. Where do you see things going?
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Jeremy Scahill
Well, I mean, we're witnessing right now out in the open a massive scandal which is that President Trump, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, War Secretary Pete Hegseth and other officials have for the past several weeks told the American people in the world that Iran is begging the Trump administration to cease fire, that the Iranians are begging for a deal. Now, I'm one of the handful of reporters in the world, in the Western world, that has been speaking regularly to Iranian officials. And what they have said is that since the third or fourth day that this US Israeli war against Iran began, that it was in fact special envoy Steve Witkoff that was asking the Iranians to come to the table to make some sort of a deal. And Trump claims that his threat to eliminate Iranian civilization, a multi millennia existing civilization, was what brought the Iranians to beg him to have these meetings in Islamabad. Iranian officials told me, no, the opposite is actually true, that it's the United States that has been asking us for a deal. And the Iranian position is that Trump, Trump had painted himself into a corner, that he was increasingly finding himself mired in a quagmire, and that the Iranians essentially agreed to this two week deal because they felt that they had more leverage than they've had at any point since the 2015 JCPOA agreement was signed under Barack Obama. So they go to Islamabad and the Iranians have consistently, what they've consistently said has consistently been proven to be true. They said they went in there with their minimal bottom line conditions for ending the war. They said that they came within inches of some sort of an agreement, in the words of the Foreign Minister Abbas Arachi, but that JD Vance, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner returned and reverted to this maximalist demand posture. And so, you know, to sum it up, President Trump on the one hand is saying the Iranians are begging him, and then on the other hand, he keeps having to make these escalations in his threats to destroy civilizations. Now they're implementing this naval blockade. It's clear that the Iranians retain control of the Strait of Hormuz. And despite the overwhelming military force that the United States has unleashed on Iran. And certainly the Israelis have been a major part of this as well. Despite the fact that they assassinated the supreme leader, much of the military and political leadership of the country, the Iranians are actually, on a basic level, winning this war in both a symmetric and an asymmetric manner, which because they hold all the cards to whether or not this conflict ends. And so the irony is that Donald Trump right now says that he's blockading the Strait of Hormuz to try to achieve an opening of the Strait of Hormuz. And as you mentioned earlier, Clayton Ansar Allah, often referred to as the Houthis in Yemen, they have not yet implemented a blockade on the other side of the straits here in the Bab el Mandabad Strait. And remember, you have this armada of oil tankers that have amassed on the western coast of Saudi Arabia as a result of the blockade on the Strait of Hormuz of any U. S. Linked ships. The Iranians will correct the record and say it's remained open for any ships that are not attached to the United States or Israeli war against Iran. If Ansar Allah then blockades, that part, you know, of world shipping, what we've seen the past several weeks with the global economy is going to become much, much worse. So, you know, Donald Trump, I think for anyone paying attention, has egg on his face. He's been utterly humiliated by the Iranians. They win by not losing. They win by every time Donald Trump comes out and says they're going to capitulate by not capitulating. And I don't get any sense from the sources I talk to in Tehran of panic. If anything, they feel that they have more leverage right now and that Donald Trump is flailing around and doesn't quite know how to handle them.
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Co-Host Natalie
I want to talk to you a little bit about the Iranian public relations campaign because it has been exceedingly comical. I grew up around Persians, so I already knew they had a really great sense of humor. This is not new to me, but, you know, I think that it's instigating with our president who is used to being the master troller. And that, as sad as it is, is an element of risk for the whole world because the matter he gets, the worse it gets for all of us. Can you play that out or respond to that?
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Jeremy Scahill
I mean, you know, when you look at, you know, YouTube now is, is, is taking down the channel of an Iranian social media and video production company that's been doing these Lego dramatizations of the situation. They're called explosive media. And the Iranians, in fact, this morning another Iranian collective put out a video about, you know, Trump's threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz and basically warning that if US ships come within a certain range of Iran, that Iran is going to be able to respond. And you know, Trump and Hegseth have both said, oh, the Iranian navy has been completely obliterated. Trump this morning posted on Truth Social about the so called fast boats that the Iranians have and he says that if they start using those against any US Naval ships that they're going to blow them out of the water and kill everyone on board. The way that they've been doing in the Western hemisphere, primarily focused at the US war against Venezuela and attacking so called drug ships. But it's not just sort of Iranian kind of media production. The speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Golubov has a PhD. Abbas Arachi, the Foreign Minister of Iran, is a Western educated man with a PhD. Much of the Iranian delegation had a had PhDs. And then you have Nepo baby Jared Kushner there standing next to real estate golf buddy Steve witkoff. And then J.D. vance, the least popular vice president in American history. The Iranian intellectual heft at those meetings just dwarfs what the United States sent. And in fact, if you look at the Twitter game of both Abbas Haraqi and Golubov, the speaker of the Iranian Parliament, it's pretty ferocious. I mean, it's kind of twisted to talk about it in these terms, but that's the kind of president that we have in office right now. And Donald Trump, as you said, Natalie, and you're completely right, Donald Trump likes to think of himself as the one who's constantly pawning everybody on, you know, online. And in fact, the Iranians have shown at the highest levels of power an ability to troll Trump in a way that I think has really gotten under his skin.
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Co-Host Natalie
Right. The tweet this weekend about Conviti. Convit. The, the. I think it was a 2017 tweet. Confe. Fee. I had forgotten about that. That's a next level deep Cut. And I was like, man, their ability. I can't believe it.
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Jeremy Scahill
They know how to use the Way Back machine. That is definitely true.
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Host Clayton
I wish the Trump administration knew how to use the Way Back machine and actually took us back before these hostilities began. Because I think you're right about being painted into a corner now that we have the Strait of Hormuz being effectively blocked. Like, what is the end game here for the United States? We see massive amounts of munitions and movement, troop movements heading to this region. Nikki Haley and the neocons would love nothing more than boots on the ground in this conflict. Is that, do you believe where we are heading?
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Jeremy Scahill
Well, also, there's one. One other fact I think we should point out. I mean, you're mentioning the neocons, and I think it's really interesting to look at the contrast between Trump's first administration and his second administration. We're basically a kind of cabal of neocons, Israel firsters. And it's basically like the Netanyahu wing of the Trump movement has completely seized control of American foreign policy. You know, Trump used to deride and dismiss, you know, the John Boltons of the world, even though he included him in his first administration when Bolton left in that first term. And John Bolton's one of the most disgusting, disgraceful neocons in a, you know, in the American political scene. But Trump said if, you know, if John Bolton was running the show, we would have been in World War iii. Well, lo and behold, who's on American cable news every single day heaping praise on Donald Trump for what he's doing on Iran. It's John Bolton. And Netanyahu last night gave a speech in which he said that JD Vance on Air Force Two and his way back from Islamabad to the United States, called Netanyahu to give him a briefing, which is not so surprising because you tend to need to update your boss periodically, if not on demand. And so, you know, I think it's unfortunate that what we're looking at here is a total neocon capture of large portions of American foreign policy. You see it in Marco Rubio when he salivates at the idea of conquering Cuba. I think Rubio actually wants to essentially be the viceroy of Cuba. But on the case of Iran, you know, Donald Trump was sold this idea that he's going to go down in history as the man who forever avenged the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the seizure of the embassy. And, you know, and it's all sort of war for Israel stuff on the one hand, but I think that it's lazy to just put it all on. He's doing this for Israel. There is a bipartisan consensus among the elites of the Democratic and Republican parties. Hillary Clinton famously said it herself, if she was elected president, she was going to bomb Iran. The Democrats also wanted this. And part of the reason that we didn't have a war powers resolution vote, which any politician with a spine would have been pushing for before the bombs started dropping on February 28th is because Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and the leadership of the Democratic Party, they wanted this war. And they were very happy that it was going to be Donald Trump waging it because they assessed that it was going to harm him politically and harm the Republicans politically in the midterm elections. And so what we're seeing here is Donald Trump essentially implementing what has been longstanding bipartisan wishes for a full blown war against Iran that are also coinciding with a three decade campaign by Benjamin Netanyahu that included the periods when he was in power in Israel, but also included the periods where he was sleeping in Jared Kushner's childhood bedroom when he was a guest of the Kushner family while he was out of office. And so it's a convergence of the agenda of the elites of the Democratic and Republican parties with this kind of Israel first wing of the Trump movement that has totally seized a large portion of American foreign policy.
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Co-Host Natalie
Can you talk to me about the other players now? The Chinese defense minister has said we have trade and energy agreements with Iran. We expect others not to interfere. The Strait of Hormuz is open to us, meaning we we're not going to pay your thug toll as we go through. And so what, what do you think will happen, China?
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Jeremy Scahill
I'm glad you brought this up. China is a very interesting player in all of this. In fact, weeks ago, I think it must have been almost a month ago, I started hearing from Iranian officials that China behind the scenes was playing a very significant role in trying to broker some kind of an end to this war. China, of course, is, does not portray Iran as the aggressor in this. It's been very care how it's spoken in diplomatic terms. It took actions at the United nations to prevent some Security Council resolutions that it felt would have been a subversion of Iranian sovereignty. But of course, China is highly dependent upon the transit free transit through the Strait of Hormuz. It maintains very close economic relations with the Iranians. Donald Trump last night was talking about his own personal relationship with President Xi, said that he has a very good relationship with the Chinese. His stated policy is that by implementing this blockade, it's going to put pressure on China to in turn pressure the Iranians. I wouldn't count on that though. I think that what we may see is the Chinese stop short of saying anything critical of Iran and increase their own involvement with efforts to try to secure a diplomatic resolution to this crisis. But at the end of the day, the bottom line is this. I don't believe that the Iranians are going to capitulate even if the US And Israel resume very heavy bombing. I think that the Iranians are in touch with the fact that their only chance of survival is to re implement long term deterrence. And that's why when they went to those talks with Jared Kushner and J.D. vance and Steve Witkoff, when it came down to the brass tax, at the end of the day, the Iranians would rather walk away with no deal than to hand over their sovereignty to the United States. And whatever anyone thinks about Iran or its politics or its internal dynamics, the fact of the matter is this is a thousands of year old civilization that doesn't view time in the same way that the Western world does. You know, when I used to spend time in Afghanistan, the Taliban would frequently say that the difference between us and you is that we have the time and you have the clocks. And I think that that applies to this situation in some ways as well. Iran is, is not going to simply just roll over here. If you think about it, the Supreme Leader of Iran was assassinated in the opening hours of this. Heads of the irgc, other military branches, political leaders were assassinated. And the Iranians had built a parallel sort of structure called the Mosaic Defense, where they issued command authority much further down the chain so that they were able to hit a target bank within moments of being struck themselves. They dispensed with the idea that they would coordinate or calibrate retaliatory strikes with the US through back channels. And they said, we're not going to accept a temporary cease fire. And so while they did agree to this two week period, they did so saying that their fingers remain on the trigger. And I think that the Iranian track record has been that they pretty much say openly what they intend to do. And right now they're saying that they don't want to be the ones to shoot first to break this, that they still want to make a deal, but that the United States is playing with fire in the Strait of Hormuz right now.
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Host Clayton
Now Turkey has entered the situation in a Much, much deeper way. Jeremy, I'd love your take on the response from Erdogan, which is we will see aggression towards Lebanon and Iran as basically an affront to Turkey. So now Turkey enters the conversation. We talked about China, and then, of course, Russia also being hit in the Caspian Sea. Vladimir Putin, Putin issuing a warning to Israel on that. So this is. Seems like it's spiraling out of control.
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Jeremy Scahill
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting regarding Turkey, too, because if you follow the Hebrew press and you listen to what Netanyahu is saying, it's pretty clear that Netanyahu views Turkey as a potential target down the line. I mean, I think there is some fear of Erdogan, and he has certainly shown an ability to sort of, you know, stand up to Israel. But he also, in a not so clandestine way, has continued to do business in one way or another with Israel, even throughout the Gaza genocide. But, you know, Turkey is a member of NATO, and Netanyahu then would be coming up against Article 5 conditions if he wanted to go to war against Turkey. And so I think that there's an attempt behind the scenes to try to undermine Turkey and its relationship with the United States, rather than an overt sort of military threat against Turkey, even though you do get flashes of that at times from Netanyahu or other senior Israeli officials. Turkey got very involved also with the Gaza negotiations, and the foreign minister of Turkey was a former head of intelligence. I mean, the Turks have been extremely sophisticated in increasing their activity in diplomacy over the last 10, 15 years in Africa and elsewhere, as China has. They brokered the agreement between Saudi Arabia and Iran. And so I think part of what Netanyahu's game is here is to look at how they can try to attack their opponents that can provide any sort of a deterrence against their Greater Israel agenda. That's what this war is ultimately about with Iran. They want to turn it into a failed state. They don't care much who governs it as much as they want to just destroy the fabrics of that society. And regarding Turkey, I think they're looking for any ways possible to sort of undermine them, because at the end of the day, I think Netanyahu does view Erdogan and Turkey as a threat.
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Co-Host Natalie
Threat. So what do you think happens in the next 48 hours as the United States begins to implement this blockade? According to centcom, they're ready.
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Jeremy Scahill
I think it's possible that what the Iranians suspected at the beginning is true. Clayton sort of, you know, sort of referred to this in a way earlier. You know, The Iranian position on this two week pause was that the most likely scenario at play is that Israel's interceptors were running dangerously low, that the GCC countries in the Persian Gulf, the US Bases had been evacuated. Unprecedented in American history to see this happen. That the US Was in a very difficult position in terms of Trump politically and economically around the world under a lot of pressure to wrap this up. And I think that the Iranians suspect that Trump was using this as an opportunity to replenish military hardware to move more troops and weapons into the region. I think they are desperately flooding Israel now with more interceptors and it's quite possible that the war will resume. The Iranians have said that they don't want to be the first party to attack, but that if the United States blockade, which they say, and I think rightly so, is illegal, starts to turn into an offensive military operation, that Iran stands ready to resume the war. So I think the odds are, unless there's some kind of Hail Mary that takes place or some breakthrough in negotiations which I understand are happening in, in an indirect way behind the scenes. Barring that, I think it's quite likely that there's a resumption of the U. S. Israeli war against Iran and that Iran is going to continue its retaliatory strikes in the region. I hope that's not the case, but I think that that's a very plausible scenario.
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Host Clayton
Yeah, it seems very likely. Jeremy Scahill, great to have you here finally after many, many years trying to get you on the show.
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Co-Host Natalie
A wealth of knowledge.
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Host Clayton
We are blessed to have you, so we'd love to have you back anytime. Jeremy, great to have you here. Thank you for your analysis.
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Jeremy Scahill
Thank you both. Thanks a lot.
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Host Clayton
Appreciate it. Thanks, Jeremy. Well, he was fantastic.
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Co-Host Natalie
Yeah,
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Host Clayton
yeah, I think he's right and I, I'm sad to say that this seems like it's barreling towards a re, you know, a renewed, renewed war that's about to unfold here in the next 48 hours or, or maybe longer than that. But just look at the troop movements. A friend of the show, Brandon Weickert has been points. Just look at the ship movements right now. Look at all the forces, look at all of the, the resources that are being moved to the region like it's happening in real time.
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Host Clayton
You don't do that if you believe that a ceasefire is imminent. But.
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Co-Host Natalie
Right. NPR over the weekend had a report about increase in conscientious objectors or what, what do you call it, People who want to get out of the military that There's a hotline for them and they're, you know, it's like quadrupled over the last month. People are saying, I don't want to do this. So my heart breaks for people who have no choice.
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Host Clayton
All right, coming up, we're going to talk about the Russian angle of this. We're also going to talk about the European Australian angle of all of this. I mentioned it briefly with Jeremy, but you know, Israel decided to attack a key port that really bifurcates the north south movement for Russia in the Caspian Sea. Okay. That was a direct attack and Putin issued a warning on that. So I don't know that he will issue a second warning. I think the response will be severe if Russia has to enter the fold against Israel. Like, why the hell would Israel poke the bear on this? So we're gonna talk about that and the European Australian response to shutting down the Strait of Hormuz. We will not be party to your shutting of this, of this strait. That'll be next.
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Co-Host Natalie
You need a little break there?
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Host Clayton
Okay, I just need a little water. All right. Well, Russian President Vladimir Putin just issued a warning to Israel. Do it again and there will be severe consequences. I don't think that Putin likes to bluff often. Israel struck Anzali, Iran's most important Caspian seaport, right here. Take a look at this map. It sits on the edge of Russia's strategic inland lake. And if you've been watching our show for any length of time, you know this area is a basically a logistics hub for Russia. It's, it connects north and south corridors. So now Israel is hitting essentially Russian infrastructure. Russia currently a country that has more nukes than anyone else in the world, including the United States. So what exactly is Israel playing at here? This was not a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing. And then there's the Europe, NATO question, of course, with Turkey in the crosshairs and Australia, all of this coming together as President Trump tries to implement this Strait of Hormuz blockade, calling on NATO partners, NATO allies, European leaders. And he's getting a lot of flack from a lot of those European leaders who are saying, sorry, we're not going to be a part of it. Keir Starmer says the UK Will not join Trump's blockade of Iranian ports. And also Australia saying, sorry, we're not down for that. Well, Trump lashed out at that, saying, we don't need NATO allies and we certainly don't need Australia. Any help there over this Iran war. Murtaza Hussein is a national security and foreign policy reporter at Dropside News, and he's watching the European piece of this story very closely. Great to have you back on the show.
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Murtaza Hussein
Thanks for having me.
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Host Clayton
So there's quite a bit of backlash from Europe. There's quite a bit of backlash from Australia. Does this really mean. And now we enter in the Turkey piece of all of this. Do you think that this is the end of NATO.
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Murtaza Hussein
Well, you know, it's really astonishing actually. The way that this entire war has been prosecuted has been almost calculated to blow up America's existing defense relationships and alliances. And those alliances are very important to, to the makeup of the post war America centered order. It seems that the US under the Trump administration is taking a policy that the only country whose views matter vis a vis US foreign policy is Israel. The European countries are all unanimously to various degrees opposed to the war in Iran. It's very bad for their energy security, it's very bad for their strategic picture. It strengthens Russia, whom they're at war with and also raises the possibility of not just energy disruptions, but even future refugee blows if the Israeli plan for causing state collapse in Iran comes to pass. So they're all really against it and they're protesting in various ways. But the US is almost single mindedly focused on the Israeli perspective here. And you know, I think it's very important that this war has actually changed everything. It's been a complete 180 in many different political trends that are going on before because the European strategy for ending the war in Ukraine was pretty much economic. They were planning on using economic pressure on Russia effectively to make the war so difficult to prosecute it have to stop and agree to a peace deal. But because of the disruption of oil and energies, export from the Strait of Hormuz and from the Persian Gulf, oil is extremely expensive now. Gas is very expensive in Russian oil and gas also been unsanctioned to try to deal with the global economics fallout. So the whole European strategy of pressuring their pocketbook has gone out the window. So I think that, you know, this is happening in the context of pre existing tensions of NATO, the Greenland conflict and other disputes that are taking place. And now it seems that the stresses have become so great that, you know, if it does not lead to a breaking point in the short term, certainly has done tremendous damage such that these countries are already trying to plan for a post American future outside of NATO. And I think that would be very, that'd be very injurious not just to those countries but also to the United States which enjoyed tremendous influence as a vehicle using NATO.
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Co-Host Natalie
Well, it also sort of lifts the veil behind the curtain of NATO because NATO, I'm confused by this. NATO countries were all in on the war against Russia. They loved it. They crashed their own economies in Europe. They were like fine, we're all in. Europe's the enemy. And what they did that we lived in Europe at The time, what they used that for was to increase the power and decrease power of the people. But when NATO insisted that Portugal, for instance, send fighter jets, they said, we can't. We have like two. And so there was no. NATO's armies are US armies. So the US calling on NATO countries for firepower, they know better, they know it's there. They don't have it. Right?
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Murtaza Hussein
Yeah, you know that's right. And remember, NATO was originally formed to fight the Soviet Union. So the idea of using it to fight Russia in some way has some sort of historical parallel. And you know, the funny thing is, you're absolutely right. NATO does not really have tremendous military capacity on its own. That the United States. The United States is the biggest NATO army, and the second biggest NATO army is Turkey. And then you can keep going on that list in there. The one benefit that NATO offered in the political sense, which is why the US Asked for its involvement in many of these conflicts, is that it kind of provided political cover. So if the US Went to war in Afghanistan or Iraq or now with Iran and so forth, it looks better to do it with a huge coalition of countries such that if it goes poorly, well, it's like a murder weapon where many different people's fingerprints on it. You can kind of but cast blame quite broadly. But now, you know, the Iran war, the US Is going into it alone, pretty much just the US And Israel. And if it goes poorly, everyone knows who's to blame. And so the political cover is not there. And now Trump has been trying to bully the NATO countries to get more involved in this, but they're so averse to this war because it's so injurious to their direct economic interests and political interests that they're totally rebuffing him. And he's responding in to it with some personal offense. You could say he's kind of escalating the conflict and he's really kind of leaving the breakup of this Post World War II Cold War alignment between the US and Europe, which I think is being pushed to the brink by the dispute over this Iran war that none of them want to take part in.
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Host Clayton
What about the Russian piece of this? As I mentioned at the top, Israel struck Anzali, very important Caspian seaport. They knew exactly what they were doing when they struck this. It was a direct attack, really, on Russia. Vladimir Putin responded, warned Israel about this. Why poke the bear? Why do you think Israel wants to poke the Russian bear?
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Murtaza Hussein
We know Israel and Russia have had a very complex relationship. There's some disputes They've had, but there's also been cooperation and so forth. This attack was very interesting because it also comes in the context of a much more pronounced cooperation between Israel and Ukraine. At the start of the Ukraine war, Israel took a very equivocal position towards the conflict and tried to remain neutral. But that's kind of changed now. They're becoming very, very overtly pro Ukraine helping Ukrainian war effort. And I do believe that a kind of a system of blocks is emerging now because prior Iran and Russia had a relationship, but it wasn't that close. You could say they were actually historically Russia and Iran had a very bad relationship, but they've gotten closer recently. And also China has become closer with Iran as well. So I think that if you look back at what Cold War or planners greatest fear was was the emergence of a kind of anti American bloc in Eurasia. And that block would include some of the largest countries in Eurasia, which would have been Russia, Iran and China. That's actually coming in the past. Now it's not coming because those countries all love each other. It's because they're all feeling themselves to various degrees to be threatened by or adverse to American policies in the region. And so Israel is on the other side of that block. They're now aligning with Ukraine, obviously with the US and attempting to fight them as a coalition. So I think this attack against Russian interests in Iran can be seen in that view that Israel is gradually escalating its own confrontation with Russia. Not a direct confrontation for the most part, but a war by supporting Ukraine, by hitting Russian linked targets inside Iran. And we might see that escalation continue.
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Co-Host Natalie
Now Viktor Orban has been voted out of power in Hungary. He was one of the last European leaders to defend Netanyahu and the Israeli government. So with him out of the way, do you think that the European Union, the bloc, will now actually implement sanctions on Israel where they have been hesitant before?
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Murtaza Hussein
Well, you know, it's interesting. Orban really stuck his neck after Israel to a tremendous degree in the eu. He constantly vetoed measures to sanction Israel, including sanctions on settlements and so forth. And it was always kind of curious why he was so, you know, adamant. And so, you know, he went to such great extent to do that. You know, one can only speculate, but he had very good ties with Netanyahu. And now Peter Magyar, the new de facto Hungarian leader, you know, he is not like radically anti Israel or anything, but he has more of a normal mainstream European Union position, which is that he would go with majority European Union decisions. And he wouldn't completely buck the trend to defend Israel, defend it from sanctions, even the minimum sort of accountability and so forth. So that's a huge problem for Israel, actually, because Orban's vote was keeping them out of a lot of trouble, potentially being cutting them off from European Union economic agreements, sanctions against the west bank, which would complicate governance to Israel as a whole, given that the West Bank's very integrated with the rest of Israel now. So it's alarming to them. And it kind of actually shows the degree to which support for Israel has rested on thinner and thinner foundations everywhere. In the European Union, obviously, Hungary, that, that, that dam is broken now. But even in the US Too, like this, the support for Israel is kind of really whittled down to a segment of the Republican Party. If you look at polls, it's not the Democrat Party collapse has been quite significant now. And the Republicans is really more this neoconservative Trump administration, that segment, whereas a lot of skepticism is also other parts of it. So I think that this is another step towards more of the isolation of Israel internationally. And I'll add very quickly, I just got back from a trip to Asia. I was in Singapore and a few other places. I was shocked, actually, the level to which people are angry about Israel now because they're all feeling the economic impact of the war and the world choice, those war wages impacting all of them quite a bit. And I do think that you'll see more diplomatic measures and pushback coming from that part of the world, too. So I think that this is another step towards isolation of Israel and maybe treating more economically and politically as a priority international system with the loss of some of its last offenders.
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Host Clayton
Yeah, there was, I mean, there's the burning of, even across Europe right now, the burning of Netanyahu as a pinata in burning in effigy right now. And I imagine, and I know that there's also similar blowback across Asia.
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Co-Host Natalie
I just want to put a little disclaimer on that, because now Israel is framing this as an anti Semitic exercise. Last year, that same exercise, which is against authoritarianism, they burned Trump. So Trump is not a Jew, he is not an Israeli. That is not an anti Semitic exercise. I think their feelings aligned with most of us about globalist power and bloodthirsty demons.
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Murtaza Hussein
Yeah, that's absolutely correct. And I think that, you know, this defense, that every, every criticism is a bigotry or prejudice, that that's not really not. You know, there's only so much Capital you can get out of that. We're kind of start to see the limits of that. You know, anti Semitism is a very bad thing. And of course, everyone condemns prejudice against any group of people. But at the same time, you don't want to politicize an accusation so much that people stop taking it seriously. And I think, unfortunately, that's kind of where things are headed. You know, people, it's obviously aghast at many of the things that the Israeli government's doing. We're almost three years into this war, and the level of killing is just unbelievable. Like just last week, there was one of the deadliest days in Lebanon ever. Nearly 400 people, more than 400 people were killed in 10 minutes of attacks in central Beirut. Maybe half of them are women and children. This is really outrageous behavior. It's crazy. And we're seeing this all documented in tremendous detail with photos and videos and so forth that he didn't often have in the past. So I think this is really damaging Israel's public opinion and just, you know, calling people racist or what have you at some point, it's really not convincing to a certain degree. And I like one thing that the South Korean president very surprisingly made a lot of negative comments about Israel the past week, pointing out to an incident where Israeli troops had pushed the Palestinian out the building, criticizing Israel's human rights record, comparing it to the abuses took place in World War II. And I thought that was very notable because what's happening now is that as the impact of the Iran war is actually hitting other countries economically, they're feeling less of the need to pay lip service to the American government's interests or pieties, especially around issues like Israel, because they're not getting anything out of this relationship anymore. So the less that the US Is able to offer economic and political protection to other countries as part of this umbrella relationship, the less those countries will feel the need to indulge Israel as a friend of the US and so so forth. So I think that's kind of a trend that we're going to start seeing a lot more of. And the Israeli government's behavior is really driving the vast majority of it.
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Host Clayton
Murtaza, great to see you. Thank you so much for your analysis. Really appreciate it.
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Murtaza Hussein
Thanks for having me, guys. I always enjoyed being here.
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Host Clayton
I appreciate it, as always. Thanks.
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Co-Host Natalie
Yeah, Dropsite is killing it. One of the go to places to really understand the complexities of this war as it unfolds, for sure.
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Host Clayton
Absolutely. All right, coming up on the show, we're going to talk about the Pope and why now? The Pope is calling him weak. President Trump is calling the Pope Leo weak. Well, of course, I don't know if you recall, but the last time that a pope went up against the globalists,
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Co-Host Natalie
he was heart attacked.
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Host Clayton
He was killed. I'm just going to say it, assassinated. Maybe. A lot of people don't know this story. So not that we want to say anything about what's going on with the current Pope, but when you stand up
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Co-Host Natalie
to power, well, we would like to. This is in no way a defense of the Catholic Church. It is not an indictment of the Catholic Church. We would like to ask you why when institutions speak against power and become inconvenient to power, they become a target. So this story reads like a murder mystery. So lock in. If it were fiction, it would be a page turner. It's like a Dan Brown novel and it's true. So hold on. We're going to tell you about that in a second.
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Co-Host Natalie
to tell you a story about the last Pope to cross the globalists. And this is relevant, especially since over the week weekend, President Trump took aim at Pope Leo in this rather lengthy truth social post. It's a whole rant about how Pope Leo has lost it, how he was probably elected out of nowhere just solely to counter President Trump's power. Now, rather than dissect this, I want to tell you this story about the last Pope that took on the globalist. He was heart attacked after just 33 days in the papacy. Now, I don't say this to wish harm on Pope Leo. This is not an indictment of the Church. This is not an endorsement of the Church. On the contrary, I tell you this to underline the power of subversive forces inside world governments, religion and secret societies. So again, this story is kind of like a down brown novel, but it's true. It involves the CIA, the Freemasons. P2. Hold on. Okay, if you don't know this story, I'm going to tell it to you. And I'm painting in broad strokes. This is Pope John Paul I. He was the last Italian Pope for a reason. His real name was Albino Luciani. He was known as the Smiling Pope because he was constantly smiling, just like this. He was the Patriarch of Venice when he was elected to the Papacy on August 26, 1978. And he died under very mysterious circumstances just a month later, September 28, 1978. Now, the Vatican refused an OPSA autopsy and rushed to embalm the body. Now, while he had a funeral procession in the Vatican, Italians who came to pay their respects were sobbing and yelling, who did this to you? Who murdered you? Meaning the populace knew. They suspected foul play all along. But the Vatican rushed in Pope John Paul II and never gave answers. So back to the smiling Pope. He did not want to be Pope. I know they all say this, but if you read his writings to his close friends and family, he really didn't. In fact, he drove himself to the Conclave in an old beat up car and was like, I need to get the engine fixed so I can get right back to Venice. He thought he was just one and done. He left all his stuff behind. He did not campaign for the Papacy and yet he won. Now, he was not known to seek power, but he had a deep disdain for corruption. He opposed Vatican too. He was disgusted by the money making endeavors of the Vatican. As Patriarch of Venice, he was deeply affected by the scandal of the Banco Ambrosiano, which I'm gonna. You're just gonna have to believe me. That's. It's a scandal for time's sake. And then you can look into this separately. But the bank was closely tied to the Vatican Bank. When it failed, the many people in his diocese lost their savings. He saw firsthand how church linked institutional power and money grabs could harm the faithful. Now, after a month as Pope, he was set to clean house and dismiss the people he believed were connected to the banking cabal. Including. Now, these are two people you need to remember. Archbishop Paul Marcinkis and also Cardinal Jean Velotron. He was both of them. He was the Vatican Secretary of State. Both of them were connected to this banking scandal. They were also both Freemasons, which was another subset of the Church that Luciani was against. And in fact, the official position of the Church was that Freemasons be excommunicated. But the Pope had found evidence that both The Freemasons and P2 were operating inside the Church and he was against it. What those are, are fraternal networks that operate in separate secrecy. So they're basically what we call today globalist elites. They subvert institutional will to their will. Their elites basically both have ties to the CIA. So the story goes that after a few weeks in office, the Pope drafts a list of higher ups in the Church who he would like to resign or replace. One of them was Chicago Cardinal John Cody. He was a famous scam minister who was in charge of the Church in Chicago. Previous Popes had failed to get rid of him, despite mountains of corruption and evidence of corruption. And in fact, he was under investigation by the US Government. He also told Cardinal Villote to his face that he intended to replace him again. He was the Secretary of State and his notes were set to replace Bishop Marcinkis. Those two men I told you about. President of the Vatican Bank. So Wednesday night, September 27, he has a two hour meeting with Cardinal Villote. He explains all the changes he's about to make. He shows him a handwritten list. He goes to dinner at 8 o'. Clock. He goes and has a phone call at 8:45, and then he finishes up a speech, goes to bed around 9:30pm at night. Now, the Pope's habit was to get up every day around 4.30am and then meditate between 5 and 7am he was always awakened by Sister Vincenza. She's a woman who had worked for him for almost 20 years. She always brought him his first flask of coffee at around 4:30. And then he would say, okay, good morning, thank you. He would get it outside the door. Now, that morning she did in fact knock on the door, bring the coffee. Nothing happened. She noticed the lights inside the room were open, but the coffee sat there getting cold. And she thought, that's strange. Finally she knocks on the door and says, are you okay? She finds him sitting upright, lights on. He's wearing his glasses, gripping a sheet of paper, and his head is turned and his lips are parted, showing his teeth. Not like a smile, but like agony, like pain. She calls for help. A Few men come in. One of them, the first, one of the first being Cardinal Velotes, who had just been fired. He enters the room at 5am he walks over to the Pope, takes the paper. He's holding the glasses, a medicine for low blood pressure, which was on the desk next to him, the bedside table, his slippers. And then he begins making phone calls. Now what? Those pieces of evidence were never found. Again, he comes in, takes evidence, and then tells Sister Vincenza, don't tell anybody this, and then starts making phone calls. Oddly enough, as news begins to spread of the Pope's death, a Vatican bank official reports to seeing Bishop Marcinkus in the courtyard of the Vatican at 6:45am now this is weird because he did not live there. He lived 20 miles away, was not usually in the Vatican in the early morning hours. Why would he be there when no one expected the Pope to die? Why on this Thursday he happened to be there? Also odd is the fact that the embalmer's car arrives at the Vatican at 5am now remember what I told you, the body's not found until 5:45. Cardinal Villote doesn't walk into the room until 5 5am how is it that the car arrives at the same time the body is being found? The embalmer's car? That's weird, right? These two brothers who were famous embalmers of Popes, they're called the Sign Brothers, they swear that they had got a call in the early dawn morning hours and that they drove there in their car, arriving at 5 the same time the body is found. Now the Vatican starts to put out these contradictory statement. One of them that he was found reading a book that he loved called the Imitation of Christ. Now the problem is he loved this book so much, but his personal copy he had left in Venice, he had actually just borrowed a copy from someone and returned it. So he didn't have his personal copy that. So all kinds of inconsistencies like this start popping up. Now the Vatican refuses an autopsy, saying that's against Vatican law, which is not true. Other pubs have had autopsies. They rush to embalm him so that an autopsy would be difficult. And look at this account from the book in God's name of the embalming process. Journalist David Yallup. This is a fantastic book if you want to know more about the banking cabal and the different inconsistencies. But he reports that at the Vatican's insistence, no blood was drained from the body. Neither were any organs removed, and in fact the embalming took place three hours because the Vatican was adamant that no blood be drawn from the body. Even a small quantity of blood would have been more than sufficient to establish the presence of any poisonous substance. And yet they specifically refused no blood. Then they turned to the media, who was complicit in their cover up. The press starts to tell these crazy stories. The Pope had a history of illness that was not true. His own doctor was shocked when he heard about this. They make up stories about how he was found, about this crazy story about smashing the papal ring. And in fact, he was Pope for too short of a time to even have a ring. Now the autopsy, the. The outcry for an autopsy grows so loud that the Vatican eventually does perform sort of a scam of1. On October 3, a group of doctors show up at the site of the body and they put up large screens, they kick out the Swiss Guards, and they just stay there for 90 minutes. And then they told the press. Actually, that wasn't a full investigation. We were only there for 20 minutes and we were just checking the embalming. Even though they did not bring in the Signorachi brothers to check that embalming. Now there are again other major red flags, links to the mob. It can be linked to Michelle Sindona, who was in jail in the US at the time. But I think you are under indictment. At least I think you get the picture. The Vatican did weather this controversy. And part of the way they did that was by rushing in the election of Pope John Paul ii. The press turned their attention then to him as the first Polish Pope. He was charismatic. And I would say. Would you say he was widely beloved Pope John Paul ii?
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Host Clayton
Oh, yes, yes. And so he would get crowds, I mean, all over the world, the right people. He would, you know, get inside the Pope Mobile and millions of people would line the streets to see.
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Co-Host Natalie
Yes, okay. But under his leadership, the Vatican bank scandal and other scandals did not, in fact, disappear. They only deepened during his period. The bank became entangled in the collapse of the Banco Ambrosiano. The chairman, Robert Calvi, was found dead under mysterious circumstances in London. Archbishop Marcinkus, he was a Chicago native too, was implicated through offshore entities, very questionable financial dealings. And again, rather than expose this network, the Vatican moved to contain the damage, denied legal responsibility, but did, in fact, pay out millions in settlements to Ambrosiano creditors. And it was a massive theft from the Italian people. It crashed the lira. You know, it created massive hardship throughout Italy. At the time, Marcinkus was Never prosecuted, he was shielded by the Vatican and Pope John Paul ii. Archbishop John Cody of Chicago. He would in fact face US investigations for financial misconduct. But Pope John Paul II kept him in power too. And in fact, he was alleged to have funneled money to the Vatican through Poland. And it is widely reported that when Pope John Paul II was visited him in Chicago in 1979, he met him at the airport with a big box that he said was a personal present filled with $50,000. So the result was not the clean break from corruption that Luciani had been concerned about, but in fact it was a period that was managed, absorbed, and allowed to persist. So you see the inconsistencies. Here comes a Pope that's ready to fight the globalist and clean house and oh, he's dead in 30 days. His successor, totally fine, looks the other way. Does this remind you of anybody? The story of anybody? Anybody? I'm thinking of JFK Jr. JFK, JFK, who, you know, had plans to fight corruption and RFK. Yes.
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Host Clayton
I mean, as Attorney General. And who was actively going after these people in the mafia, specifically.
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Co-Host Natalie
Yeah, yeah. So in sum, this is a decades old conspiracy with clear implications for the deep state. Now, am I saying that Pope Leo is a deep state hunter like Pope John Paul the First was said to be? I'm not prepared to say that. But it is clear that the Pope has opposed the war and other tenets that the deep state clearly wants. The Pope has opposed territorial expansion. The Pope has opposed bombing civilian sites like hospitals and schools. The Pope is against. For instance, he spoke out recently in a speech in January, spoken out about the dissent, the silencing of dissent. In this speech, he said that freedom of speech depends on truth. But in the west, language is being manipulated in ways that actually shrink real freedom while enforcing ideological conflicts. Conformity. Here, he warns that this leads to restrictions on conscious and emphasizes that refusing to comply with immoral demands. He calls it conscientious objection is a moral duty. Now, of course, these are things the US Government does not like. If people are listening to the Pope, this is a clear problem for the US Government, which may be why President Trump is now presenting himself, himself as an alternative religious leader in this truth Social post he posted over the weekend, although he has since deleted it because the backlash has been so fear fierce. It may also be why it's being reported that the Pentagon allegedly told Vatican leaders to get in line. According to the Free Press, in a January meeting, U.S. officials told the Vatican America can do whatever it wants and the Church had better get in line. Now, again, I want to be clear so we can all draw our own conclusions. Do I think the Catholic Church is a savior from the Epstein Warren class? I don't know. I'm not an expert in Catholicism. This is again, neither an indictment of the church or a defense of the church. But what I do know is this, when institutions speak against war, expansion, coercion of conscious, they become inconvenient to power. And when they become inconvenient, they are challenged, undermined, and reframed. And that is happening right now. So the question isn't whether the church is right. The question is why is it being positioned as an adversary?
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Host Clayton
Yeah, it's fascinating. And to your JD Vance question earlier, is it what will his response be in all of this as a, as a Catholic. As a Catholic.
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Co-Host Natalie
Right.
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Host Clayton
And other Catholics that are in the Trump administration, like, are they openly allowing this? And I mean, it's very fascinating right now.
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Co-Host Natalie
So let us know what you think of that. If you knew this story, if you knew a lot of these inconsistencies, like I said, to me, it reads like a Dan Brown novel. And the Vatican has never, you know, never advocated for giving the public true answers.
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Host Clayton
Yeah. No autopsy. They come in, they grab his glasses, grab his slippers, like, grab all of his personalities.
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Co-Host Natalie
No blood being drawn. Quick embalming.
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Host Clayton
His friend shows up at like 5am never comes there that early. Like, what is this guy doing here?
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Co-Host Natalie
Right? The embalming car. I mean, there's more. I'm giving you, again, broad strokes and all of this is verified. So again, let me know what you think.
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Host Clayton
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Co-Host Natalie
Well, we really appreciate you being here with us on this Monday. It's the beginning of a very long week. You know, last week, Clayton and I, we don't drink very often, but we felt like, okay, we were not nuked by the nuclear war that President Trump tried to civilization tried to start. And so we had a beer. We had one beer on Friday.
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Host Clayton
We went to Buffalo Wild Wings, one of our favorite places.
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Co-Host Natalie
And we're like, hey, we didn't get nuked. Let's, let's celebrate that. So I thought that maybe this week would be a little easier and I thought wrong. I might have another beer waiting for me on Friday, but it's Monday, so not yet.
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Host Clayton
Get a six pack this week. All right.
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Co-Host Natalie
A whole beer or go out.
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Host Clayton
Yeah, go out and get some sunshine, take a walk with the dog, get some fresh air. Because these freaking politicians in Washington are just hell bent on destroying this country. That seems to be the case right now. All right, everyone, we will see you back here tomorrow at 4pm Eastern Time. That is redacted for this Monday. Have a great night everybody.
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