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Well, you know the political influencer game. You follow someone you like online, you think you're aligned, and then they say something that sounds like war propaganda. You didn't expect it. So now we have a choose your own adventure. Do you a follow them into the propaganda or think for yourself? Someone who exposes this quite often is village crazy lady on X. Her real name is Melissa Witt and she joins me today to discuss this because I think we've all felt this and we are confused about the rhetoric online and, and I think that's purposeful. We're not supposed to think for ourselves. So I'm so glad to meet you. Thank you for joining me on Redacted today.
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Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
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Yes. So you have a really authentic voice sometimes. I see even when you get emotional, it still seems logical. And I'm just so enamored by the way that you do that. But also you are able to point out propaganda even from people who have gained large followings. So can you tell me how you got started on X and what is your guiding principle?
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Yeah, so I started on X in June of 2020. I had no experience on Twitter. I always thought Twitter was dumb. It's so funny. But, you know, Covid happened and it seemed to be. I kept going. This is when you could access Twitter without an account. So I kept finding really the best stuff on lockdowns and stuff like that. I was very Covid dissident from the get go. And so I finally made an account with the BLM riots because you could follow those. But I never had any kind of real following until about 2023. It was in the middle of the summer and I was all in on Ron Desantis. I wanted him to be because of his COVID policies. I really didn't attention to foreign policy that much. You know, I was really obsessed with COVID And so I started doing deep dives on the finances of his competitors. And the first one I did was Tim Scott. And that was the first time I ever had a viral tweet or a thread in which I found that he had been paying just exorbitant amounts of money to a shell LLC for a millions and millions and millions of dollars. I think at that point it was like 12 million. He's up to 30 million that he's paid to this LLC that doesn't exist in any way, shape or form except for on a single registration. But that's besides the point. So that's when I kind of got a following. But then October 7th happened, right? So I had about 6,000, almost 7,000 followers at that point. October 7th happens, and all of a sudden, all of my small government, you know, America first, you know, fear of people turned into these rabid war pigs, and they're just foaming at the mouth. And I was. I was really shocked. Within a week, I was like, what is going on here? This is. This is nuts about me. It was like a state of psychosis, right? And I could not believe how many of the influencers who I was following and who I was kind of looking up to and who had been sharing all of my stuff. All of a sudden they just. All of the PR principles that they said that they had, they just threw straight out the window and they went all in on, you know, forever war and genocide. And so that was very jarring for me because I just went the other way and lost a lot of followers, a lot of support. Had, you know, several rounds of campaigns targeted at me to, you know, discredit me and everything I had ever done and whatnot. And I just kind of pushed through. But, yeah, when you start out like that and you're just pushing against the, you know, the current the whole time, right. It is hard to build up a following. And it's very tempting to just say screw it and go along with the crowd because, you know, the talking points will get sent to you. It's very easy. You don't have to put any effort into it, and then you can still focus on these other things that you really like, you know, so well, no
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one's ever sent me any talking points to support the war in Gaza. Have people sent you those talking points? I mean, I can see what they are on X, but maybe I'm just not popular enough to get them.
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No, but if you are in a group chat with political operatives, you absolutely will get these talking points. And I know that because I know people who are in them who they, you know, they have jobs, they have incomes, they don't post this stuff, but they are offered incentives to post to this stuff. They are sent actual talking points. I have seen the emails with points. They should hit on how much they'll get paid for each one of their posts, for the interactions, for the engagement that comes with it. And as we can see, a lot of people took the money. A lot of them did, you know?
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Yeah, I found it very confusing at this point too, because a lot of my research was around ending the war in Ukraine, the lies of Ukraine as The good guy. And so influencers who actually understood that Ukraine is a gangster company country, all of a sudden didn't understand the politics of Israel. And so, you know, I think it's hard for us to continue because of the momentum of social media, to continue to think for ourselves. It can be so easy to just lock in. Liked that person for this and this. So I'll go with them. And so you see that happening, right? You must have seen this with your following.
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Oh, absolutely. You know, I. I did. I did see that. And then at the same time, there were a ton of people. I was getting messages, private messages, every single day, DMs, you know, I used to not get them when I first started. I would maybe get one or two a week. And I started getting them almost every day from conservatives who were like, thank you for speaking up, because there's no one in our sphere talking like this. And then, you know, as my following got bigger and bigger and I had. I had a handful of other viral threads. I did one on Letitia James when Trump was on trial that went mega viral. Then I had another one on Matt Gaetz that went really, really big, also, like, mega viral. And so I got a big following from other things, but I had to stay focused on Gaza because for me, it really is the most important thing in the world happening. It impacts everything else in the US I think everyone will agree now that American politicians, left and right, are completely beholden to the Israeli lobby. And that is half the reason why our entire political system is so constipated, because nothing can get done. And, you know, everyone's always prioritizing this. And it gets used against each side, right, in order to make things happen for whatever, you know, the Israel lobby wants. So, yeah, I did experience a lot of hate. And you'll see people go. And what I have actually experienced also is a lot of people who unfollowed me in the beginning, they came back, right? Because there's only so much bombing you can see before your own moral instincts kick in. Right? Like you might. They might have gone along with it initially, but there's only so much that before even. It doesn't matter how many influencers there are, you see it, you know it's wrong. You know it's morally, it's just wrong. Right. And so, yeah, they come back.
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Yeah. You know, American support for Israel up until 1989 was rooted in anti communism. Right. So that's where the whole idea that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle east comes from. Because, you know, most of the Arab states were either aligned, well, Egypt definitely aligned with the Soviets and that, that kind of. But the Arabs being aligned with the Soviets is what was sold to the American people. And then the, the Jews were the anti communists. So that, I mean, if I could
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just right insert this, you Israelis don't even own their own water if it falls in a bucket in their own backyard. So how can this be the bastion of freedom?
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Oh well, it's really nuts because, you know, the entire kibbutz system is actually like small scale Marxism. So Americans were just sold this whole crock. Right. But they could at least justify it then.
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Right.
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And so then we have this kind of lullaby in the, in like, why are we still supporting them? Right. And it kind of goes through until 9 11. Right. And then what do you have happen? You have not 9 11. And now we have the mass problem of Islamic terrorism. And who's right there? They're our friends. They're helping us fight these terrorists. Right. And so that worked for a little while too. And then when that starts to kind of wane, we see this kind of explosion of Christian Zionist organizations. And that is when it's 2006 is when Pastor Hagee's organization, the Christians United for Israel, is reincorporated in the state of Texas, but it goes out and starts using the Crusade for Christ Campus Crusade for Christ Network that had been built in the 70s, but they co opted it in 2013. But there's a handful of other organizations that you probably never even heard of, like the Philos Project and they're the these huge very, very well funded Christian Zionist organizations. And that is, is when you know it's around 2010 ish. Up till now. Now our support is rooted in this quasi Christian theology that almost no Christian can actually even define for you. Very few can actually tell you what pre millennial premillennial dispensationalism is. They're just told, well we got to bless Israel and this is the way it's always been. And you know, that's one thing I've been trying to focus on is that this is not the way it's always been. American support was not always rooted in this idea of Christian Zionism. Christian Zionism is actually a bit of a fringe ideology within Christianity. You know, Christians United for Israel will tell you that there's 10 million members. All you have to do to be a member is you just put your email in and say you want some information, boom, you're accounted in their registry. So those numbers are over inflated. Most Christians don't actually know what it is that they're supporting. It's just that this is something we've always done. Everybody just, we just support Israel. That's what we do. And I think now what's happening is especially with just the long term strain of this war and now with the Iran war and now with Trump's just kind of slobbering subservience to them and like his, his willing to do their, the, the bidding of the Israeli lobby no matter what. People are waking up and they're saying what in the world? And it doesn't matter where you go, because I was on Facebook earlier, I have a, like I have a burner Facebook account and I like to go and look at people's, I like to look at like the pro Israel posts and then the comments underneath and same for Palestine and whatnot. And I, I'm just amazed. I'm always like so excited when things reach the boomers on Facebook. And you've got boomers on Facebook, I mean just going out and saying no, this is wrong. Why are we doing this? Why? You know, so I am hopeful for change. Absolutely. Yeah.
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I did a piece recently about Cyrus Schofield and the dispensationalism history and most people don't realize it was funded by Wall street and so they think it's a grassroots movement that came out of the doom boom of the late 1800s, post Civil War, you know, this end of the world type thing. But really it was not organic. It's not a grassroots movement at all. It was purposely funded by what was called the Lottos Club in New York City, Wall street, early Zionists. So, you know, you can just keep peeling the onion. And it does seem like people want that. They want historical context because so many of us are like, how the hell
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did we get here?
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What? How is this so extreme? Right.
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So.
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Denise. Oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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No, so I've. I've been doing a series on the nar, which is the new Apostolic Reformation, which is the. These are the people who are really, really pushing a lot of this really extreme. That's what Paula White belongs to. She's nar, even though it's this decentralized, quote unquote movement. But so I went back, I went through Scofield all the way up into now I am in the 30s. And I'm talking about Frank Norris, who is the guy who ends up influencing this is who Jerry Falwell credits as his kind of like mentor or who he aspired be. And J. Frank Norris actually rejected dispensationalism, which is interesting. But he is the man who convinced Truman to recognize Israel. Like he's credited with that. And he's also the man who was able to capitalize on radio. He had the largest. He was able to reach 20 million people. He was the first pastor of a megachurch in Dallas, Texas. You've probably never even heard of him. And this man was unbelievably influential. And yeah, the dispensationalism, it does. It does get lost a little bit until the 67 war. And when the 67 war happens and when the Israelis take over all of Jerusalem, it's really wild because it's like everything snaps and you have people who had been even sympathetic to Palestinians up to that point. Even Billy Graham wasn't this like hardcore pro Israel person and then. And yet he was pro Israel, but he wasn't. He wasn't out like these pastors are now by any means. And then what happens is that in the 67 war, they read into the recapturing of Jerusalem as this is. This is a sign. Jesus is coming now. And you see this mass explosion of movies and books series that come out in the 70s, 80s and 90s that have really laid the groundwork for all of this today. And yeah, it's. None of it is very Organic. But it's also. There's a fusion of pop culture that went along with a lot of it that really helped to propel it into. And this is why I do believe that like your boomers are just such hardcore. They're so. They're the hardest ones to reach because they were subjected to this weapons grade propaganda about, you know, in the post 67 world, just about, you know, this is a sign like Jesus is going to come back and whatnot. So yeah, your religious ones. But that was never fused into American policy Until the about 2005, 2006 is when you actually see like sitting congressmen talking about, you know, we gotta bless Israel to be blessed. That was never like nobody ever had to give that reason prior. It was like, oh well, you know, there are partners in anti communism, but sorry, I'm talking a lot.
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No, no, it's fine. Because you know, this is something that I constantly want to just not miss because we got so far. I think, you know, I was very liberal until Covid until the war in Russia and then I and the gender ideology turned me on a hard left away from the Democrats. And I was inspired by the revival of, you know, conservatism. And I thought, well that's kind of great. This religion means a lot to a lot of people. It's sort of a return to a family based culture. I thought, I think that it was such a wasted movement because the Trump administration has capitalized on it in order to start new wars and they are doing it under the guise of religion. So it is important, even though we are supposed to be a secular country with freedom of religion, this religious co opting is driving our policy. And at the end of the day it's a theft from us. Every one of us who files taxes is having to pay for a war we don't support. So again, it's good to just sort of talk about these sort of cultural boosts so we don't miss them ever again.
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Right, yeah. No, I agree. And you know, it's important to understand when we talk about new Apostolic Reformation NAR movement that Paula White was installed. She was absolutely installed. I can't prove it. But I do think that ANAR is some form of probably like the CIA. You know, evangelicalism in general has been used by the CIA to infiltrate Latin American countries. They were very involved in that in the 1970s to the point where they actually came out and said, well we won't do that again unless, you know, we won't ask them. But if they come to us that was when George Bush was the head of the CIA. That became his official policy. We won't ask them, but if they come to us, then, you know, we're willing to work with them to infiltrate these countries and whatnot. So they have used evangelicalism for a long time in this aspect. And you'll see these kind of radical sects break off. And that was, that was. That's definitely the case with nar. And the other problem with that is they believe in these prophets and apostles who can just read parts into the Bible. They're told, like, if you are a prophet, you have the gift, the Lord will come to you. And he. You can add. You can, you can make addendums to the Bible itself, which is just kind of. I mean, you know, if you grow up Methodist like I did, that's just straight heresy. Like, what in the world is going on here? But people like Paula White, she does believe that she can. There's a handful of others. Lance Wall now is a big one. But they. This is the woman whispering into the Trump, into Trump's ear, and she's adding parts of the Bible. She thinks she can write additional appendages to the Bible or she has a special interpretation of what the Bible is actually saying. Right. And this is the President of the United States. This is his faith counselor. She has an office in the West Wing.
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Yeah, it's not make of that because I think there's a lot of demographic shift that shows that people become more religious as they get older. And Trump is an elderly man now. He was never religious before. He didn't have a strong religious platform. Do you think? Let's just surmise, because sometimes I teeter between. Yeah, he just. What elderly people do is they cling to something that. That is comforting because their life is ending. Or do you think it's blackmail that would install these people? You know, this is something we are constantly teetering on, like, how can this explain what you think you're doing? The opposite of what you promised? What do you think?
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So initially, Paula White was installed by Johnny Moore, who is from Liberty University, which, I mean, that's a whole rabbit hole in and of itself. But what happened was the, the Protestants, the evangelicals were very anti Trump in 2016. Right. And that was a problem for him. Once it became clear he was going to win the nomination, they all came out. And the big funders, the Wilkes brothers, who were at that time the biggest funders, they backed Ted Cruz explicitly said they would not be giving any money to Trump. The Israeli Lobby. At that time, the Adelsons were not, they did not want Trump. They had wanted Rubio. And so he had a problem. And what happens is that he gets approached by Johnny Moore, who at that time was running the Kairos company that he had just started. It's a PR firm. And that's where Andrew Colvett that was, he was his right hand man at that time. They bring Paula White in, and Trump kind of knew Paula White a little bit because she was a televangelist and that's how she gets installed, right? So they come to him and they say, you have a problem with the evangelicals, we can help. He says, I know this lady, Paula White. So Johnny Moore brings all of the evangelicals through his connections through a man named David Lane, who is probably the most important evangelical political operative in the country. You've never heard of him. There's a white supremacist named David Lane. It's not the same person. This guy is very much behind the scenes. But they have a private meeting at Trump Towers in June, the third week of June of 2016, where the week prior David Lane had been quoted as saying, no one is with him. We are not with him. No one knows who this lady, Paula White is. Lane is brought in for a private meeting the very next week. He says, all right, we're all on board, everything's good. And then David lane received a $15 million donation to the organization that he runs a month later, private donation, which he runs a church, a faith based organization. So we don't get to see 990, so we have no idea where this money came from. But that's how he got installed. That's how she got installed, but that's how this movement gets installed. And yeah, it gets really, it starts to get really, really radical around the 2020 election. Right? So that's actually where I think Trump really got radicalized religiously was he felt that the election was stolen. He couldn't prove it. And you had all of these NAR guys, there's a handful of them. They're the ones who planned the January 6th protest. But they are literally saying Trump is ordained. They're telling him, you were ordained by God. This is your, this is your, your battle essentially. And if you win, you know, you, you will be like David essentially. And he starts to get this God like, complex. And it gets, it starts to get really, really more and more radical as he is, you know, starts to face kind of the weaponization of the DOJ under the Biden administration. Right. And so I actually think that that's probably the thing that fed in the most to it, is that he is more and more isolated people. After January 6th, he's no longer president and whatnot. But these people, they all stick around him and they're all very loyal to him, to their credit. You know, there's. We can probably have a whole conversation on that. But so I actually think it's a combination of loyalty, of just being old and senile, and then also the kind of brainwashing, the bravado that they're told. He thinks he's Cyrus, he's David, he's. He's whatever biblical character, you know, they. That they whisper into his ear and they really, really feed into his kind of megalomaniac personality, you know.
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Right. I'm sure the weaponization of the DOJ was very scary. And so it feeds into this, you know, hero's journey. Like you were in the belly of the whale. You've come out. This is what you are meant to do because of it. And so there's no rational thought, you know, of like, well, people will die. This is not what you promised. And so you don't buy that there's some kind of blackmail going on. You've never. I mean, I've looked for that as well. You know, if you read the Epstein files, all you see is allegations. They're not complete by any means, but I'm not looking away from them. You know, I want to see what was done about these allegations. We never get that. What do you think?
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Well, I do think that at a certain point, yeah. The bravado, the Trump whispering or whatnot, it doesn't explain many of the things that he has done now because he has essentially lit his entire legacy on fire. He was the peace president. Right. He was the guy. He was the economic president. I still remember the Tiktoks, the people, they were so excited that we're finally going to have some more money in their pockets. Right. And what do you know? So it doesn't. That doesn't make any sense if we're talking about someone with a narcissistic personality disorder. They don't do the things that he's been doing. Right. They go along with the crowd, they do the popular things, which consequently, for him, it was going to work out just great. That was what he was saying he was going to do. It was going to go along with it, everything. And then he turned around and just did this total 180. So you do have to wonder, is there Blackmail? Are they threatening him? Right. I mean, you know, I don't buy the official narrative about what happened at Butler. You will never convince me that this kid, who has no history of radicalization or mental health issues, just woke up one day and was somehow able to position himself just perfectly on top of a roof and fire off five shots at the, you know, Republican nominee for president. No, I don't. So is he scared? You know, he's had more gunmen get close to him than any president that I know of, because even with Reagan, you know, obviously he was shot, but after that, no one ever even got close. It's very. And he was a very controversial president. Every president we've had since has been very controversial and had, you know, really rabid haters on, you know, whatever side, and no one gets that close. And yet now we're on, you know, to the point where now people are saying, is he staging these? Right? Is he involved? Are they. They're fake. They're, you know, what's going on here? So I'm. I'm of the opinion, sometimes I think that it actually is a threat from, you know, the. The powers that be that want this war. But, no, I would. I absolutely do agree with you. There's something else going on here. We just don't know what, and we can't prove it. And so everybody says, you know, it's a good thing I'm the village crazy lady, so I can just say whatever I want to. Right. Because.
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Right.
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I just lean into it, you know. But.
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Well, yeah, so one of the things that really bothers me in terms of reactions to the questions that we ask is when people say, oh, you just have Trump derangement syndrome. And I find that it rings of sexism to me. Maybe that's just the way it lands on me, like, run along, little hysterical lady. You don't really understand, you know, the politics you're talking about. It really. That really bothers me more than anything else. I don't care if you call me a Putin lover or an anti Semite or anything else, but, like, you're just hysterical and you don't understand. Really gets under my skin more than anything else, because I was hopeful for the Trump administration. I did have Trump derangement syndrome during the first term, but I was hopeful during this one. And so I just wonder if there's a value in saying, I'm going to ask every question. And I don't care if it seems crazy, because if we can do that, we will get in, because a lot of Times the truth is in fact crazy.
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Right? Yeah, no, I, you know, anytime that I get a lot of, you know, repeal the 19th right amendment all the time, I just, those people are immediately dismissed because they don't have anything to offer. Anyone who talks like that has nothing to offer to the conversation. Who want to talk about, you know, hysterical women or whatnot. So most of the time if I see it, it's just the hide and block because I know that you're not actually going to be able to bring anything here, you don't have anything of value to add here. But no, I think it is important to just kind of throw it out there. Number one, it does lend to just authenticity as a human being. There's so much AI on that, so much AI created content and whatnot. But it's okay, it's okay to ask questions. It's okay to ask crazy questions. You know, it is okay to make assertions based upon what you know to be true and real in life. Right. You know that it's not normal that this many gunmen have come around, Donald Trump have been able to get access within a couple hundred yards. That's not normal. We know it's not normal. So yeah, you actually do have to answer the questions about why I'm allowed to ask questions about why this was able to happen. Because we've already established that there's an abnormality in what's going on here. And I think you can just apply that to everything else you want to ask. And who cares if they call you crazy? That's the first and only thing they have to say. Well, then they just don't have anything of value to add anyways. And yeah, vamoose, you know.
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Right. That reminds me, this repeal the 19th, I've seen some sort of people now speaking at turning points, organizations that are sort of trad wives, you know, we believe in one vote per family. That feels like a new divisive project, like a chaos, like purposeful. Because why would we do that? You know, what's the point of that? And so I constantly now see these movements as just a distraction. I don't think anyone really means it. I think it's just, you know, I see like blue haireds yelling about it like they want us to have kids. Can you believe it? And do you think that will continue to work?
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No, I don't think, I think that the. For right now, I do think that the culture wars have started to kind of run their course because again, anytime people can't afford groceries, they don't Actually give a shit. Sorry, they don't actually care about your, you know, your frivolous little things. But that goes back. I like to call it kind of like my million dollar theory. You know, they say, oh, repeal the 19th. I'm like, that's. That's the equivalent of me saying, well, everyone should just win the lottery, right? If everyone just had a million dollars, everybody's problems would go away. That's not going to happen the same way as the. You don't even know anything about. If you actually think that could happen, that you could repeal the 19th Amendment. You don't know anything about voter turnout and the fact that you need two thirds of the state's legislatures and the Senate and the Congress or, excuse me, all of the Congress to repeal a constitutional amendment. And who votes? It's women. It's. Women are 54% of the electorate. So you'd have to actually get them to vote against their own interests. It's just never going to happen. So to me, people who use things like that, it's because they don't have any real solutions to problems, right? So they like to put this thing up as well. All of the problems could be solved or we could just do this one thing that's actually never going to happen. And because that's never going to happen, none of their other frivolous, stupid ideas can never happen. And then it just, you know, it just becomes this constant kind of convenient scapegoat for everything. And I think people are getting tired of listening to people like that because they don't, you know, people want change. They want to be able to afford their groceries. They want their elected representatives to be responsive to them, right? And the one thing I do worry about often is people, and this is already a serious problem in America is just apathy, right? So much that, you know, nothing ever changes. You switch the Congress, you switch the president, things just get worse and worse and people just check out.
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No, no, no. I absolutely, I mean, I think we're all subject to it. I'm very much a human. And the one thing I try to do, especially when I am feeling apathetic, like I'm just feeling like a screw, it is I try to find individual stories in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Iran to focus on and sometimes I'll do threads on them to really bring people back to the fact that these are human beings. These aren't statistics, right? These are. This is a mom and these were her babies and this is what she did for a living, you know, and she is a real person and she could have been your neighbor. These are not some kind of, you know, you Know, Lebanon is such a developed. Like, it's practically a developed country.
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Yes.
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It's very Westernized. Very, very Westernized. Sometimes I get grief from the other side where they're like, it doesn't matter if they're not Westernized. And I'm like, I'm not saying that. I'm just trying to show people that these could be your. Like, it's anybody. It could be anybody that, you know, that's who we're bombing. Like, that's who they're bombing. That's who they're murdering, you know? Yes.
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There's been this idea that, oh, it's just a backwater. They're basically Bedouin camps. They don't have society. I don't know why that makes any difference. Right. It would never see the Bedouins.
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Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't. I don't. I literally don't care if the women can't. You know, they. You know, their eyes, that's all you ever see of them. They're human beings. Right. And I absolutely advocate for them as well, obviously. But I think sometimes it's really important because part of the disconnect, part of the apathy is, is that it's like, well, you know, it's because part of the propaganda that we're sold is that the women are oppressed. Right. So I try to share that. No, these women are not oppressed at all. These women are actually. They. They dress exactly the way the Westerners dress. These are totally. They're sending their. Their babies to school. They're doing. You know, there was this one mother who. She survived, but her husband and her baby were killed in a bombing in southern Lebanon a few weeks ago. And I was looking through her Instagram, and, you know, she had the baby, like, the smash cake for the one year old. Like, oh, it was. It was just wrenching to look, and the whole family's just gorgeous, and it's all gone. You know, their whole home, everything that she had was gone. And now this mother is all alone. And that was so heartbreaking for me. And it's like, no, I can't stop. Like, no, we have to keep advocating and we have to keep really holding these elected officials responsible. Every time I see a politician get confronted when they're giving a speech, like, my heart does soar. I think that these politicians should be confronted every single day of their lives for what they have supported and enabled. We have had exactly one member of either the Biden or Trump administration resign, Joe Kent, in protest. And I know he protested because it's bad for America. I would genuinely like to see people protest because it's bad for humanity as well. But I'll take what I can get. I'm not trashing Joe Kent at all. But again, it's an absolute indictment of the American political class that we've only had one right that we know of. There were some State Department employees that did resign under Biden. I do know that. I do want to give them credit.
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Yes, early. Actually, early on, you're right. What do you make of just switching gears a little bit? Because a lot of the ability to ignore this is sold under rejecting personalities. And so if you can reject Tucker Carlson, you don't have to hear what he's saying because he's gone too far. And they can call him a vicious anti Semite and then you don't have to worry about any more of the stories that he wants to highlight. And I feel like that's such a dangerous game because they're asking the rest of us who exist in the peripherals to like, condemn Candace Owens, condemn Tucker Carlson. And that sells you the idea that a personality is the whole narrative. Something David Icke likes to say is don't follow people, follow ideas. And so, you know, how do you feel playing that game? Because I don't, I just don't like it. Like, I don't know Candace Owens personally. I don't have a problem with the questions she asks. It's not for me to like follow a personality. It's for me to only follow the ideas. So what, what do we do with that? The sort of personality wars that really, I think only exist, they don't exist in the grocery store, they exist on X. But still it's useful for, for a certain power grab.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. It's, it's very useful to, you know, spare people as, you know, racists, anti Semites, homophobes, all, you know, all of the things. But what that really does, the whole entire purpose of it is really just to kind of keep us in own camps, right? To keep that. That partisanship and partisanship is the greatest tool that the powers that be have, right? The people who actually control society. When I was, you know, digging in on this NAR stuff, I really, I got to prohibition, right? And one thing, I'm actually dropping a thread later on today about, about this man, Wayne Wheeler, who was the head of the Anti Saloon League. And you know, the prohibition movement was actually one the most successful political movements of all time in America. And the thing about Wayne Wheeler was, he was nonpartisan, he did not care. He would work with Democrats or Republicans. And that is how they were able to pass in, I think it was 19 different states anti liquor laws in a period of like 10 years. And then they got their, their amendment to the Constitution passed. From the time Wayne wheeler starts in 1908, it takes him about 12 years to get an actual amend amendment to the Constitution passed to ban the sale of liquor. Which is just crazy when you really think about it. And how did he do it? Because he worked both sides, he did not care. The only thing he absolutely cared about was do you support our cause? Everything else was whatever. And if he, and he had a whole policy, if he went in, if both candidates supported, they just stayed out of the race. If one candidate did and one candidate did, of course they backed the candidate who did support Prohibition. And the only other entity that we can think of right now that does that is aipac. Right?
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They don't care.
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They'll work left, right or center. They do not get hung up on personality. They do not get hung up on, oh, who, you know, they said this, or they, as long as you say the right thing about Israel, they literally don't care about anything else. And so I'm now at that, that's my approach now. I actually don't care, I don't care what you said about right now. I think that stopping this war machine is the most important thing in America. And it's, I don't care. I work with anybody who, who, that's their goal too. Even if I disagree with them on 80 or 90% of other things. Right. Because we can, we'll get to that bridge, you know, when, when we actually have a victory here, we can start talking about those other things. But I, I think that's the only way we're actually going to, to make any difference is to just, yeah, get past the, the, the team. Right. Sometimes one of my conspiracy theories is that, is that, you know, professional sports and whatnot, it actually trains us for partisanship, right. So we get on our team and that's, and we get just hyper focused on it and we are so loyal to it and if there's any threat to our team, then, you know, at the end of the day we'll, we'll go against even our own conscience sometimes.
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So I feel like I'm just sharing and maybe you can feel some recognition in this. Like during the Biden years I was so upset at all the ways I had been lied to by liberals that I went A little too hard on anti liberalism. And I was mad, like, really mad. And now I feel like, like liberals, they're holding court for the peace movement. I don't think their leaders mean it, but I do think people who identify as liberals do. And so I need to learn to, you know, see them as people again. I need to humanize the other side and. And break even. Though I don't really believe in partisan politics in terms of leaders, they're. They're a uni party. But I think people. People really do adhere to these labels. And so I went a little too hard in the paint because I felt betrayed. And now I have to widen the lens and be like, actually, we agree on a lot more. You know, they're not trying to. Nobody's, you know, the movement to inject our kids with hormones has died down somewhat. We need to be able to talk again. And so that's my mea culpa. How do you feel about that?
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Oh, yeah, no, I mean, you have something like the transgender ideology, which is so divisive and such a hot topic. Right. Because it did feel like they were preying on our kids with these, I view as medical experimentations. Right. To further the interests of pharmaceutical companies, to pad the pockets. But also, I think there was kind of a darker, more sinister goal there as well. Whether or not the average Joe Schmo was involved, I don't know. I doubt that, actually. But so, yeah, so that's. It is difficult because you do go really, really hard on that. And now Republicans have some things that. I don't know if Republicans. I can think of something quite as extreme, I guess, as the. As the trans stuff, but they are in. I don't know if. They're certainly much more extreme on Israel, that's for sure.
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Well, yes, it's freedom of speech that they no longer believe in freedom of speech. Do with criticism of Israel. Yep. They're like, absolutely. Lock that person up. That person shouldn't be, you know. Yeah. I don't know how that happened when they were all for free speech around Covid.
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Oh, I. I know. Now we've got. Oh, we're going to target your. Your advertisers. If they advertise with you. We're going to try to get your job. I mean, doing all of the things that the left did. They literally were. It's like they were all just sitting there taking notes. Right. And then. And now, quote, unquote, becoming canceled for them is. Well, you're not. No one's putting you in jail. They're trying to pretend like that was always. Their definition is. And it's like, well, no one was ever going to jail, you know, that said. No, you. You stood against people being punished for simply expressing their ideas. And someone who was very, very good about always. That was Charlie Kirk.
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Yes.
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He absolutely walked the walk and talk to talk. And he took so much criticism and so much, you know, real kind of hate from both sides for allowing different points of view on his stage. And he is certainly sorely missed on that.
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But.
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So, yeah, going forward, how do we kind of reconcile with each other? I. I think that we have to just have grace, you know, and if you can't have grace, well, then, okay, just. I always say, you don't need to forgive me. Just get out of the way. Right.
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Yeah. Or cast a wide net for questions. You know, some. I saw it a comment recently because Clayton did a piece about O.J. and, you know, the prosecutors who presumably planted the glove, and someone was like, that was a bridge too far. I'm done with you now. So we asked a question that's a reasonable question, and that's the question you cannot hear. And we're all the worse for it if we jettison people, because there was. Was something that they said that they didn't like. So we have to somehow keep engaging, even when there's something you don't want to hear. And so maybe that's. That's the. The purpose of calling yourself crazy is because crazy ends up being right so often. I mean, literally, the CIA funded feminism. That would have sounded crazy to me 10 years ago. I know that now. And so, like, crazy usually is where the truth is, don't you think?
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Oh, yeah. Well, you know, the. The village crazy lady thing came from. I was at a protest to reopen our schools in August of 2020, and there was, like, five of us out there, right? And. But the. But the Raleigh News and Observer came, and the guy. There's a guy in a pickup truck, and he rolls down his window. He. He stops in front of us because we're out in front of the governor's mansion, and he says, you guys want to open up the schools? And we said, yes. You know, we were all excited. And he goes, you're like the village crazy ladies out here. And it was just so. I was like, yeah, I'm the crazy one. I want children to go to school. I'm the. I'm the nut job, right? Like, because I think that children are much safer in school and that the harm being done by These lockdown is far greater than any harm that was going to be done with COVID Right. And of course we knew that because the governor was allowing private schools to open up and it was, you know, there was a lot of controversy there. But so, yeah, very often it's the crazy ones or the quote, unquote, crazy ones. So that was just kind of a play on that, that thinking. Yeah, don't be afraid to be called crazy. It's okay. It's. Yeah. If you knew all of the things our government has done, it's, it's, it's just nuts. You look into MK Ultra, you look into, you know, the coups, you look into. I mean, our government was running guns into Mexico, giving them to the cartels so they could quote, unquote, track them. The amount of drugs that are allowed and just certain things that are just allowed to happen in this country. And you know that. But that's not right. There's gotta be some other hand guiding all of it. So I, I think it's perfectly normal. And sometimes, yeah, you do feel like you're crazy. You absolutely do. I think Covid, if Covid didn't convince
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you also, it doesn't. It. The sting goes away eventually because I didn't like it. I was beholden to. I wanted a certain reputation, you know, and now I'm all in. It's not that bad to be cool of names because you get to be right. And also the world is less confusing if you can ask crazier questions.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. And yeah, I always try to tell people, just lean into it, it's okay. And it's okay to be wrong too. That's the other thing. I was wrong the other day on the Graham Platner, he. They posted a video. Well, I was wrong, kind of. But it was the Daily Wire guy who posted a picture. You know, I guess Graham Platner had a KIK account and they were presenting this as. This was current. This was a picture of him like that he took the other day or something like that. And it turned out that it was much older than that. But, you know, I'm like, I've seen Graham Platner without a shirt off many times now, and he's a bit flabby and this guy's got a size six pack. So I don't think it's the same person. I think this is an edited, you know, and it turned out I was wrong. It just. He had gained weight in the last 10 years and whatnot. Just admit it and move on. Yeah. It is what it is, you know.
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Right. Yeah. You can have a human reaction and they then be like, actually, that wasn't right. So. Yeah, absolutely.
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Well, own it and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, it absolutely was my pleasure to talk to you. You know, the things I surmise from your very authentic Twitter account. Turns out I've been right. You are that authentic in person. And so I've been really looking forward to connecting with you. So follow. Follow. The Village Crazy lady on X. It's V. Is there an I in there? Yeah, Vil. Village.
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There's a character.
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Okay.
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There's no A in village. Yeah. But, yeah, usually if you just type in Village crazy lady, it'll come up. Yes.
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All right, well, I'm glad to be, you know.
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Yes. Thank you.
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Ideologically aligned.
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I love you guys. Yeah.
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Yeah, ditto. Okay. Thank you again for your time.
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