Why is Ukraine ramping up MASSIVE attacks on civilians as U.S. sends more weapons to Kiev | Redacted

Summary

Redacted News: Why is Ukraine Rampaging Attacks on Civilians as U.S. Sends More Weapons to Kiev

Release Date: May 6, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris and Natalie Morris

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Introduction

In this episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton Morris and Natalie Morris delve into several pressing international issues, focusing primarily on Ukraine's intensified attacks on civilian areas, the United States' continued military support to Kiev, Poland's growing discontent with the European Union (EU), and Mexico's rejection of U.S. military assistance against drug cartels. The episode features insightful discussions with Colonel Rob Manus and Polish Member of Parliament Gregory Braun, providing listeners with a comprehensive analysis of these complex geopolitical dynamics.

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Ukraine's Escalation in Civilian Areas and U.S. Weapon Supplies

Timestamp: 02:40

Clayton Morris opens the discussion by addressing Ukraine's recent surge in attacks on civilian zones, particularly in Crimea and formerly Eastern Ukraine regions now annexed by the Russian Federation. He emphasizes the humanitarian concerns, highlighting the targeting of non-military sites such as nursery schools.

Clayton Morris [02:40]: "Ukraine has been carrying out, of course, a genocide on ethnic Russians that live in what was formerly eastern Ukraine... Why is Ukraine continuing to target these zones?"

Discussion with Colonel Rob Manus

Colonel Rob Manus joins the conversation to provide military insights into the situation. He expresses confusion over the U.S. decision to continue supplying weapons, despite President Trump's initial directive to pause shipments pending a peace agreement.

Colonel Rob Manus [05:20]: "I'm as concerned in somewhat confused as you guys are... Both sides being intransigent... It's very frustrating."

Manus discusses the lack of progress toward a ceasefire and the potential impact of introducing NATO troops as peacekeepers, which he deems unacceptable to Russia.

Colonel Rob Manus [08:06]: "We don't have that situation here... I think President Putin is never going to accept a NATO country's troops on the ground inside Ukraine."

Poland's Discontent with the European Union

Timestamp: 18:15

The episode shifts focus to Poland, where rising frustration with the EU has led to significant political actions aimed at asserting national sovereignty. The hosts interview Gregory Braun, a Polish Member of Parliament, who has gained viral attention for burning the EU flag as a protest against what he perceives as Brussels' overreach.

Gregory Braun [19:05]: "I am against the European Union... It is the real continuation of the Soviet Union and the Third Reich put together."

Braun articulates his opposition to EU policies, particularly criticizing the "Green Deal" and the forced "Ukrainianization" of Poland, which he argues has disrupted the country's economy and cultural identity.

Gregory Braun [25:57]: "We pay 5% of our national growth product... Our agriculture, our mining, our regular everyday life is being ruined by these doctrines."

U.S.-Mexico Relations and the Cartel Situation

Timestamp: 39:51

Natalie Morris introduces the segment on Mexico's refusal to accept U.S. military assistance in combating drug cartels. Todd Bensman from the Center for Immigration Studies joins the discussion to explain Mexico's stance.

Todd Bensman [40:35]: "Mexico has a long history with U.S. military interventions... They are in bed with the Mexican cartels and always have been."

Bensman outlines the Trump administration's aggressive posture towards Mexico, including increased border patrols and potential unilateral military actions against cartels. However, he notes the complexities due to historical tensions and the entrenched power of cartels within Mexico.

Todd Bensman [47:40]: "These are hardcore light infantry ground units that they're deploying to a border that has no illegal immigrants crossing right now."

U.S.-Canada Relations under President Trump

Timestamp: 60:02

The conversation then turns to U.S.-Canada relations, particularly President Trump's recent remarks disavowing the need for Canadian imports while praising Canadian leadership. The hosts analyze Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's response and the underlying tensions regarding tariff disputes and defense cooperation.

Clayton Morris [59:51]: "We don't need their cars. We don't need their energy... All we need is their friendship."

Trudeau's apparent capitulation to President Trump's stance is scrutinized, highlighting the challenges in balancing national interests with international alliances.

Justin Trudeau [Unnamed Timestamp]: "We're stronger when we work together... finding those areas of mutual cooperation so we can move forward."

Gain of Function Research Policies

Timestamp: 65:00

The episode concludes with a critical examination of the U.S. government's stance on "gain of function" research—biomedical studies that enhance the pathogenic traits of organisms. The hosts critique the executive order signed by President Trump, questioning its effectiveness given historical precedents under both Obama and Trump administrations.

White House Spokesperson [66:03]: "This executive ordered does... ensure that biomedical research in general is being conducted safely and in a way that ultimately protects human health more."

Natalie Morris challenges the White House's narrative by referencing past policy reversals and the persistent nature of gain of function research despite funding bans.

Natalie Morris [66:53]: "Obama did put a pause on gain of function... they used loopholes."

The hosts argue that without stringent enforcement and clear penalties, such executive orders remain ineffective, allowing continued risky research under the guise of scientific advancement.

Conclusion

Clayton and Natalie Morris wrap up the episode by reiterating the critical nature of the discussed topics—Ukraine's militaristic actions, Poland's sovereignty struggles, Mexico's internal cartel conflicts, strained U.S.-Canada relations, and the dubious efficacy of government policies on biomedical research. They urge listeners to stay informed through their Redacted Newsletter and emphasize the importance of seeking truth beyond mainstream narratives.

Clayton Morris [72:27]: "It's been a packed show... we learned a lot today."

Listeners are encouraged to subscribe to the newsletter for more in-depth analysis and original source materials, ensuring a well-rounded understanding of global affairs.

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Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [02:40]: "Why is Ukraine continuing to target these zones?"
• Colonel Rob Manus [05:20]: "Both sides being intransigent... It's very frustrating."
• Gregory Braun [19:05]: "It is the real continuation of the Soviet Union and the Third Reich put together."
• Todd Bensman [40:35]: "Mexico has a long history with U.S. military interventions..."
• White House Spokesperson [66:03]: "This executive ordered does... ensure that biomedical research in general is being conducted safely."

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Note: Advertisements and non-content segments within the transcript have been excluded from this summary to maintain focus on the substantive discussions presented in the episode.

Transcript

[Clayton Morris]

Hey, everybody. Welcome into Redacted on this Tuesday. I'm Clayton Morris.

[Natalie Morris]

I'm Natalie Morris.

[Clayton Morris]

And on this show we tend to cover the stories that piss off the globalists in the mainstream media. We're going to talk about why Ukraine is attacking civilians. Why is the United States sending more weapons and defensive weapons systems, Patriot missile systems to Ukraine? But again, why is Ukraine continuing to ramp up attacks on civilians, specifically in Crimea and what was formerly Eastern Ukraine, which is now part of the Russian Federation? We're going to talk about that in moments.

[Natalie Morris]

Plus, what the media is calling right wing politicians in Eastern Europe are actually gaining popularity. Why would Poland, Romania, why would these countries be annoyed at the European Union? I mean, it's an obvious question. The European Union is by definition annoying. It's a government for governments. But we're going to talk to a Polish politician who's gone viral for pulling down the EU flag because.

[Clayton Morris]

Setting it on fire.

[Natalie Morris]

That's it. Yeah. Because obviously also, why does Mexico not want us help fighting the cartel? They don't got this. Does anyone think that Mexico has it? They don't need our help, do they?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, would they want American troops? I mean, you have the president of Mexico saying, no, we don't want American forces in Mexico. But you know, we'll have a debate about that. We'll have a question about that. Because everywhere American forces have gone in other countries, it has not ended well. So maybe they know a thing or two.

[Natalie Morris]

Right, but what's the plan then? Keep having the cartel run the government? Like what's going on there?

[Clayton Morris]

Also, President Trump just met with Mark Carney at the White House and there were some fireworks. There's some really interesting moments. And before he even arrived, President Trump said, we don't need anything from Canada. We don't need your cars, we don't need your timber. We don't need anything. All we need is your friendship. So this was an interesting meeting. We're gonna dissect all of that and more as redacted starts right now.

[Natalie Morris]

I was at the gym today and the headline on Fox News said, carney, can something be done about tariffs? Trump? No. That's how Fox put it up on their super at the gym. And I was laughing. In fact, other gym goers were too. So. Okay. Busy day of news, everybody. How you doing? You hanging in there is who's getting this U shaped rainstorm throughout the United States? We are getting it in the rocky hills and the rocky hills. Rocky.

[Clayton Morris]

The rocky hills. I've never heard that before. Yeah, we got Like a snow, cold rain, snow mix today in the Rocky Mountains today.

[Natalie Morris]

So, yeah, it was a day we wanted, wanted to take a nap, but we're too busy. We gotta be here with redacted. So you didn't take a nap? So we didn't take a nap. We're here not napping. News time.

[Clayton Morris]

Let us know where you guys are joining us from around the world today. All right, let's talk about Ukraine, shall we? Ukraine has been carrying out, of course, a genocide on ethnic Russians that live in what was formerly eastern Ukraine. They've been doing it for years, of course, using US weapons since 2014, of course, after the CIA backed coup in that country. Well, in recent days, Ukraine has really ramped up in its attacks on these civilian areas. And of course, it's inconvenient to talk about all these civilian attacks. Like, you know, friend of the show, Patrick Lancaster, of course, has been covering it for years. We've had him, Patrick, on the show many, many times in, you know, in, in Donetsk, in Donbass, in Luhansk, in all of those areas near Zaporizhzhia where these areas, you know, schools, playgrounds attacked by where these civilians. There's no, there's no military targets in these areas. Hitting nursery schools is not a civilian target or is not a military target. So why is Ukraine continuing to target these zones? And using American weapons, by the way, American himars using all of these drones. Hundreds and hundreds of drones launched into Crimea over the past 24 hours ahead of the victory celebrations that were set to take place in Moscow. And a massive attack inside of Crimea just happening, targeting Russian military infrastructure. They say there again, Crimea supposed to be on the table for negotiations right now. Like you need to walk away from Crimea, Zelensky. This was part of Trump's message to him also maybe the other big regions, of course, that voted to become part of the Russian Federation.

[Natalie Morris]

It was also part of the Minsk agreements, but they attacked anyway. So they have never actually honored their agreement to be peaceful with the people of Crimea or eastern Ukraine. Look that up. Easy to find. Sorry.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay. On top of that, reports this week the United States is sending Zelinsky more weapons again. I thought Trump was done with that. So let's bring in, let's bring in Colonel Madness, Colonel Rob Manus now who joins us to talk all about this and what is happening here. And Colonel, good to see you. Welcome back.

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Hey, Clayton. Good to see you all. Thanks for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

Our pleasure. So what do you make of these reports over the past few days? United States continuing to send weapons into Ukraine and they tell us, oh, don't worry about it, they're just Patriot missile systems. These are purely defensive, don't worry about it. And I saw the spin on some of this. Oh, this could have been just like a leftover from the Biden Times and President Trump is president. So why, what do you make of this continuing to happen right now?

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Yeah, I'm as concerned in somewhat confused as you guys are. You know, I mean, I thought the President had given direct orders that we would pause shipments until he could get his feet on the ground with a peace agreement and get that ball really rolling. I mean, there has been some forward movement on that. The President talked about a three day ceasefire that President Putin announced this morning, I think it was, or late last night. And that's good news. But man, I thought we were going to be full throttle on this and get the killing stopped, most importantly, very quickly. But you see both sides being intransigent and then, you know, you were talking about Ukraine attacking nursery schools and those kinds of targets. I mean, that's just way out of the law of honor and conflict. I mean, the Russians have been accused of doing things like that too. There's usually some kind of basis for those kind of things. Unfortunately though, we don't know and we can't know. And okay, if we're shipping only patriot and defensive weapons to it, the President can make that part of the deal. He could sweeten the pot for the Russians and say, hey, we'll do a verification regime with this so you can go in and actually see it. We've had that type of treaty with the Soviet Union and Russians before that worked very well between our two countries. But we're not seeing that kind of innovative discussion or proposal being put on the table. I know there's, there's, you know, back channel and behind the scenes discussions going on, of course, with both sides, but it's very frustrating. I'm very concerned that we're losing momentum on any kind of peace deal to get this killing stuff.

[Natalie Morris]

And yet some of the conversation is around we're going to now work with Turkey to instate a peace deal in Ukraine. Working with Turkey obviously pisses off Israel. So it's, you know, you have to be careful who you're associating with if you're a diplomat right now. But some of the language is being presented to us as if, well, this is what's gonna happen after the peace deal in the United Kingdom. Keir Starmer is saying, we're gonna do five year deployments. So UK soldiers will be in Ukraine. And basically they're mercenaries. They're repl. All of the dead Ukrainian military that they don't have anymore. So do you think the United States might go along with something like that? And for instance, Clayton's father was in Germany after World War II to just keep the peace. Would we have an agreement like that where we'd have US Soldiers there to just hold the line?

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Well, Clayton's dad was in a position, his military was in a position where we had won that war outright, completely unconditional surrender. The German army was decimated, no longer capable as a force. The Nazi party was decimated from that perspective and no longer a viable force. We don't have that situation here. I don't think President Putin is ever going to accept a NATO country's troops on the ground inside Ukraine as some kind of peacekeeping monitoring force. We're going to have to go to someplace like an India or some other type of capability there, because I just don't think it's going to be acceptable. But what I do think is that the President needs to get back into this if he thinks he's stepped out of it a little bit like Marco Rubio keeps talking about, and really start pushing on the Ukrainians to get them to stop doing what they're doing and push on the Russians to get them to stop what they are doing with this type of targeting and come to this table. Because look, it's good that we have a NATO ally like Turkey, I guess. And look, guys, I've been one of the people that has said Turkey should never be in NATO anyway because it's becoming an Islamist theocracy really, in my opinion, which is never good for Western democracies. But they were the parties that held the meetings that resulted in the Istanbul agreements that initially, remember, Zelensky had agreed to and then we sent Boris Johnson in to derail that back then and they pulled out of that. And it's my understanding that Putin's side has laid on the table that the items that were in the Istanbul agreement, they are still in agreement to. So there's a, there's a opening here to get this job done. We just have to have the right people to help make that opening happen. And I think most of the intransigence is on the Ukraine side.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, it seems to be. And J.D. vance just in the last few days basically saying he doesn't think that this is going to end well right now. So he's, he's throwing a little bit of cold water on this. And it seems, as everyone in our chat room is saying, why is Ukraine continuing to sort of scuttle these peace talks? Seems like all of this is on Ukraine and you have an entire generation, multiple generations of young men, even older men now, just wiped out completely. There's nothing left. Russia has said they're not going to come to the table with Zelensky as the arbiter of these peace agreements. So it seems to be really stuck right now. But Putin has this 72 hour Victory Day ceasefire proposal still on the table. He's pushing for this while we move towards May 9 for these celebrations. You have a lot of world leaders who are saying screw whatever Ukraine tries to do or flying into Moscow anyway. We're going to celebrate what the Soviets did to stop the Nazis. We're going to be here. You're going to continue to launch drone attacks inside of Moscow. I agree with you. I'm like, where's the leadership right now from the White House on this firm?

[Colonel Rob Manus]

I think the United States should send a representative team, you know, a diplomatic team to those celebrations. Look, the Soviet Union, the Russians lost many, many more millions of people dead, not just wounded, but dead to win World War II. And look, you know, the UK and France and the United States allies, we were all allied with them and we should be celebrating in that victory day celebration with them, regardless of what the Ukrainians are going to do. As a matter of fact, the Ukrainians should take this opportunity and could easily take this opportunity and send Zelensky to Moscow for the celebration with a team negotiate on the side they could.

[Clayton Morris]

Wouldn't that be amazing?

[Colonel Rob Manus]

I would bet that they would be welcome because this is the biggest of big deals in Russia, this victory day celebration on that happens on May 9th every single year. Because it was such a huge sacrifice, Clayton. I mean, the American people that are alive today just absolutely do not understand the level of sacrifice the Russian people from, from, from peasants to the elite put in to cause a victory over War two. And without them, we would not have won the victory that we won from the Westerns.

[Clayton Morris]

No, absolutely. I think people forget that all the time. I mean, the upwards of 25, upwards of 27 million Soviets that died fighting Hitler, died fighting the Nazis, we swoop in right on D Day, right after already it had been cleared, it was a clear path to victory. So people forget that. And I think it's. You go to the D day museums, they actually do call attention to that point out.

[Natalie Morris]

They do. They have Stalin's picture up there.

[Gregory Braun]

Yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

Pointing out that the leaders of the winning side. Yep.

[Clayton Morris]

I think you're right. It would be amazing. But right now, these. Can these civilian attacks continue? We'll get you out of here on this. Colonel, why do you think. I mean, why is Zelensky. Why is. Are the Ukrainians continuing to attack Crimea? Why are they continuing to attack civilians? What is the goal? What is the mission, do you believe, on their side by attacking civilians from a military perspective?

[Colonel Rob Manus]

I think they're very worried, and they should be very worried that they may lose Odessa, the one Black Sea port system that they have, and probably think that continuing to attack Crimea keeps a damper on those forces being able to break out and invade and go into Odessa and take that territory over. But if they're worried about that, Clayton, they ought to be getting themselves to the peace table and saying, hey, we'll sign up to the Istanbul agreement, just like the Russians said they would. And I think overnight you would see a dramatic difference. But I'll be honest with you, I don't have real high hopes for anything like that happening.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I agree with you. And you're right about, I mean, Odessa, we've for years been covering on this show how if they lose Odessa, they lose a country. You're a landlocked country. If you lose Odessa, you're done. You are absolutely done. So, great point. Great point on that. Colonel, great to see you as always. We appreciate your insights here. Thank you so much. Fingers crossed that cooler heads can prevail and we actually get some kind of movement towards peace. Thank you, Colonel.

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

[Clayton Morris]

All right, coming up here on the show, we are going to talk about Poland because they have been under the thumb of Brussels, and the Polish are furious. They are fighting back. They're tired of being told we need to turn over our country to Ukraine. The Ukrainianization of Poland is real. It's been happening. Walk down the streets of Warsaw, you might not just hear Polish language very much anymore. You're likely to hear Ukrainian language signs in Ukrainian and Polish now. And one. One Polish politician decided, you know what? We're tearing down the Brussels flag, the EU flag, and we're going to set it on fire. We are done. That's gone viral. We're going to talk to that Polish politician next because this is indicative of what's happening across all of Europe. We're going to talk about that. But first we want to tell you about our friends over at Connect Invest, because is your money working for you? Well, investing in real estate has never been easier. Savings accounts CDs offer low returns, barely keeping up with inflation. The stock market volatile, unpredictable. One day you're up, next day you're down. If you're tired of watching your hard earned money sit idle or ride the market roller coaster, it's time for a better solution. Now you can invest in real estate. Short notes with as little as $500. Yeah, you can start with $500 and they have annualized returns of up to 9%. Yes, you heard me right, 9%. Real estate has long been a proven way to build wealth for most. The barriers though, are too high. Like how are can I afford $50,000 for a down payment? That's why it's so high. That's where Connect Invest comes in. And we've partnered with them so that you can start. Sign up today and you'll get a $50 bonus in your account. You can start for as little as $500. And you pick the terms like, okay, I want to just invest for six months. Great. 12 months. Great. 24 months. Great. Again, I'm saying annualized returns up to 9%. So try them out today. Just go to redacted.inc invest. Sign up today, get a $50 bonus right in your account. Join thousands of investors who are growing their wealth by investing in real estate. So do it today, redacted.inc invest. Well, the Polish people have had enough of the globalist agenda coming out of the European Union and Brussels forcing their hand against to support Ukraine. The Poland's already had taken in millions, of course, millions of Ukrainians and it's really turned their country totally upside down. Well, Polish political member of parliament Gregory Braun has had enough. He has gone viral today for tearing down the EU flag and wiping his shoes on it and setting it on fire. Watch this, please.

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Wow.

[Clayton Morris]

Done.

[Natalie Morris]

Tell me how you really feel about it.

[Clayton Morris]

Polish politician, member of parliament Gregory Braun joins us now from Warsaw. It is almost 10:30 at night over there. Gregory, great to see you. Welcome back to the show.

[Mark Carney]

Thanks for having me. God bless you. God bless everybody.

[Clayton Morris]

Everybody, God bless you. What do you want?

[Mark Carney]

Totalitarian systems.

[Clayton Morris]

So you are angering a lot of people. You are angering the establishment, you are angering the globalists saying, we are done. I mean, can you explain why did you light this flag on fire? What do you want the world to know about and what the Polish people and how they are fed up with the European Union?

[Mark Carney]

Well, I want to know everybody, that each of my compatriots, Polish people paying Their electric bills, paying money for electricity. They pay 40% for this green deal, this climate change human caused idea, which is obviously ridiculous, which is non science based belief, religious belief and everybody is paying money. And that is why I am against the European Union, which is true, inheritor. It is the real continuation of the Soviet Union and the Third Reich put together. You had Euro Communists and Euro Nazis in the beginnings of this project. Walter Holstein, Hitler's lawyer, Altiero Spinelli, Stalinist Communist who predicted that nations and private property is supposed to to vanish because they wanted to to build their brand new world. I don't want to be a part of their brave new world. And that is why I oppose and protest.

[Natalie Morris]

Now I've never met an actual European from Europe who thinks that the EU makes their life better. Every European knows that the European Union is there only to add weight to your back misery. That's it. I don't know a single European who thinks that the European Union's doing great for them. Yet the EU continues to publish these surveys saying people love us, they feel safe in the European Union. The Polish. Not true. Absolutely. Now the Polish have been asked to sacrifice. Sorry, Go ahead please.

[Mark Carney]

To confirm all your worst diagnosis that you can give about the European Union. My political action today, together with my friend, member of Polish Parliament Roman Fritz, we visited the Ministry of Industry, which is actually the Ministry of Annihilation of our industry. And everybody knows that it's costly, that it's absurd, that it's also illegal because it breaks our constitution. But totalitarian systems have this quality of, you know, staying around for much longer than they should.

[Natalie Morris]

Right. So my question is, why don't more Europeans understand that when the media calls someone far right, what that means is that someone wants to break from the power structures that are hurting you and so they should align themselves. Far right should be the calling card of the politician you should support. So what are the narratives that you fight to show people? These globalist institutions hurt us. It's time to break them.

[Mark Carney]

Well, more and more people in Europe seem to understand better and better that this is, you know, some Titanic, that we are, that we are linked, that we are attached to. And it looked very nice, it looked very well, as long as it stayed in the carboard. Now it's heading to its future, it's going down. All demographic, economic data numbers are showing that it's dead end, that it's no business anymore. It's simply, it's simply doctrine, Euro communist doctrine that is against human freedom and property and health. And it's it's the brave new world. It's George Orwell and, and the people, other people who could see future earlier than the others. They described the European Union pretty, pretty well years ago. Now it's sad reality and we have to oppose it.

[Clayton Morris]

I think Brussels turned off the lights in your car because they're furious about you standing for the truth. Gregory, you have announced, I think back in January you announced you are running for the presidency of Poland.

[Natalie Morris]

True.

[Mark Carney]

That is why you can see me sitting in some car in the middle of nowhere, heading from, cruising in between Polish cities, meeting my compatriots and running for president. And it's, it's very fruitful, this campaign because obviously we are running against the establishment. I personally have zero minutes, zero seconds on major TV stations. But more and more people seem to, well, they seem relieved when they hear my message. Down with commune. Down with Euro commune. They just like to hear that normal life would be possible.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's fascinating because the last time you were on, I mean, millions of people, millions of Polish people reached out to us and said, thank you for having Mr. Braun on the show. We don't see him on our local media. We have to tune into shows like Redacted to hear the truth. And they thanked us for having you on. One of your big messages then was about the Ukrainianization of Poland and how Ukraine, of course, has the boundaries. The flood of immigrants into your country has really remade Poland. Is that a big part of your message going forward?

[Mark Carney]

It's grave danger coming from the east and from the west because we are in between. The European Union would like to force us to accept migration from the west, mostly Germany is trying to re export their problem, their social problems that they have to Poland. And from the east, millions of Ukrainians had crossed the border three years ago and hundreds of thousands of them settled down here. And they are well supported. It's not well enough. Put well Simply, we pay 5% of our national growth product, 5% each year for some other nation. This is crazy. This is insane, right?

[Natalie Morris]

So Polish people may, who support the establishment, they may wonder, without the European Union, could Poland survive? But how much worse could it be because they are supporting other nations, supporting wars that they don't belong in, based on a lie that Putin's coming to Poland next. And Polish farmers were asked to stop producing to privilege Ukrainian farmers since the war began. How bad could it be if Poland was going it alone without the European Union?

[Mark Carney]

This is the question that I am putting every day here. I'M asking my compatriots, my listeners, my voters, what else, what else would they do to us and have us accept what they do? Obviously, this is tyranny and this is bankruptcy that we are facing here. Our agriculture, our mining, our regular everyday life is being ruined by these.

[Clayton Morris]

By.

[Mark Carney]

These doctrines, false doctrines and wrong directions. And obviously the danger of us being pushed into the war is the most horrific, very real danger. And I must say, it is up to you, it is up to you Americans to spare us this tragedy. Because the people who are in charge in Warsaw are, are very well, they are simply servants of your politicians. They are, they are agents of different foreign governments. And that is why Polish nation is, is not safe. It was never safe, but now it's, it's really becoming more and more dangerous. And obviously we can appreciate the movement, this wind of change that is coming from the United States of America. I myself would love to repeat Mr. Trump's some of his actions, like throwing out WHO, World Health Organization, well, canceling your version of the green deal, restarting mining and so on and so on. But on the other hand, we are very worried that again, the United States of America is going to sell us in the course of their great game that they are playing with Moscow, with Beijing. This is very dangerous because you, I mean, American politicians and American, American army and CIA and dia, I am afraid, have the keys to the politics in Poland, in Warsaw, and nobody knows now how they are going to use these keys.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, folks, you're looking at. This could be the next. This could be the next president of Poland right here. Gregory Braun, we appreciate you joining us late at night, in between going to meet different Polish people, different campaign stops around Poland. I know you've been tireless there. Gregory, Great to see you. Good luck to you.

[Gregory Braun]

Thanks.

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Thanks for having me.

[Mark Carney]

God bless you. And let's try to do our best to not to find ourselves in the course of the Third World War. That would be really miserable. And Poland and Central Europe obviously would be the first playground of this war. So let's do everything to stop it. Thank you very much.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, thank you, Gregory.

[Clayton Morris]

Great to see you. Thank you so much. And good luck to you And Greg, he's kind enough because he knows I have difficulty saying his first name in Polish. So he's like, you call me Gregory, so I will call you Gregory.

[Natalie Morris]

You got a pass.

[Clayton Morris]

That's nice, Gregory. I tried to say it properly. It's just hard for me. But anyway, thank you. And yeah, you could be looking at the next president of Poland right there.

[Natalie Morris]

I mean, it's amazing the things that, if we stop and think about that are being repeated from World War II is this globalist agenda uniting different cultures under one government, governments for governments, and taking. Taking away farmers and their right to grow. I don't know if you remember. We were talking to a friend. I can say his name because everyone in Portugal's name's Joao, who said when we, you know, Joo. When we were. When he was a kid, he would drive through and see crops and crops and crops. But as soon as Portugal joined the European Union, those crops were no longer allowed because they had to buy bread from Ukraine or. Or, you know, this crop from here, this crop from here, it was no longer a free market. And look how that's created poverty for every. Every individual European nation.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. I mean, again, like, someone in our chat was just saying, it's, like, in Poland, like, well, we can't use our own coal now. Like, we're not allowed to use our own coal in Poland. Like, we have to bow down to Brussels. And you're going to tell us how, you know, and you watch, like, cnn, which was, you know, the worst propagandist arm of the eu. CNN loves the eu. And you can see, like, CNN and all of these broadcasts that always push the value of the EU and commerce, they run, like, segments and pieces about how, you know, we get our. Our, you know, Europe is one happy family, and we. And it's all one big organization, and we don't see countries in between.

[Natalie Morris]

Right. I mean, it is culturally. And I think that, you know, people in Europe really feel a camaraderie around their geography, but not their economy and their culture and their livelihood. Like, when you ask farmers not to produce, that's never going to be a good thing, whether it's under the guise of economic development or the guise of climate change. Right. And didn't we learn that in World War II we had collectivism? Should we not want to do that again? I'm. I'm for not doing that again. So Joao was right.

[Clayton Morris]

Gail Seeker in our chat says. Yeah, it reminds me of how we can't use our own resources here in Quebec.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

Again, you push towards globalism, and that's exactly what's gonna happen. All right, we've got more news to get to. We're gonna talk about Canada a little bit later here, because Mark Carney just flew in and met with President Trump in Washington, D.C. we're also gonna talk about Mexico refusing American troops to fight the cartel violence it's very interesting. Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum says she's turned down President Trump's offer on that fentanyl. Is that still flowing across our borders? Are the cartels really responsible for that? We're going to look at all of that and more.

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[Clayton Morris]

Someone in the chat room says Spanish fly. Says redacted. Goofy enunciation of Quebec, sir. So am I. Am I supposed to. Am I been saying Quebec wrong? Or am I supposed to say.

[Natalie Morris]

I think. I think it's Quebec. Speakers say Quebec.

[Clayton Morris]

Quebec. Quebec.

[Natalie Morris]

Sorry, but you're not a French speaker, right?

[Clayton Morris]

So I always hate when you have, like, these. I don't know, these, like, Latina broadcasters, and they're speaking, like, perfect English, and then they're like, what? What?

[Natalie Morris]

And they're like, Guadalajara, you know, and.

[Clayton Morris]

We'Re going to go down to Guadalajara now.

[Natalie Morris]

That's my big deal with Giada De Laurentiis is we're going to make the spaghetti.

[Clayton Morris]

Spaghetti.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah. I don't like when proper nouns are changed. Full stop. We should call Germany Deutschland. If they call it Deutschland. I hate that. And so changing a name just for the language you speak. I'm against this. I've said this before, and I will say it again.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, what are other examples of that?

[Gregory Braun]

I mean, but I think.

[Clayton Morris]

But I think. I think it's okay to. To like. To kind of keep it in your own accent, though. Like, it's a bit odd, you know, if I'm like. I'm like, hey, do you guys want to go to Starbucks and grab a croissant? You know, like, it just sounds freaking weird.

[Gregory Braun]

Yes.

[Colonel Rob Manus]

Right?

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

All right, so is it Quebec or Quebec?

[Natalie Morris]

Well, what is the Anglo pronunciation? And what is the.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I'm not French speaking.

[Natalie Morris]

I don't know.

[Clayton Morris]

Quebec. People are in the chat trying to give me answers.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh, we get so many comments about Iran. Because I say Iran. It's not Iran or Iran. I surely.

[Clayton Morris]

Go ahead, Shirley. In our chat, Shirley says you're saying Quebec correctly for an English speaker, and she's Canadian. Thank you, Shirley. I appreciate that. Quebec. Quebec. Quesadilla. Yeah, quesadilla. All right. Well, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum says that she rejected President Trump's offer to send U.S. troops to Mexico to fight the drug cartels.

[Natalie Morris]

Now, what is this about? Because nobody really believes that Mecca Mexico's got this. They clearly don't have a handle on cartel violence. The cartel is well embedded into the Mexican government, so why would they not want this? Is it just as simple as they can't fight the cartel? Or do they know that the US Track record of getting involved in foreign conflicts is not good? Both things are valid. Right? Todd Bensman is from the center for Immigration Studies, and he joins us to explain this. Thank you so much for joining us. Why do you think that the Mexican government is posturing so much that they don't need the US Military.

[Gregory Braun]

Because Mexico has a long, in their view, sorry, history with US Military interventions that has kind of permeated the, the, the. The basic political culture of the country. You know, the big bad gringos coming in here with military, you know, punitive expeditions, you know, lots of bad history, wars all the way to Monterey, Mexico. And this is, to this day, a very sensitive topic for Mexico when it comes to their domestic, Domestic politics. The problem is for them is that now they've got Donald Trump to contend with. And Trump is rattling the sabers. And he's not just rattling the sabers. He's got a lot of sabers all around the country now. He spent the first three months just setting the table for U.S. military intervention, unilateral military intervention. He wants the fentanyl stopped. He wants that all shut down. He wants the Mexican drug cartels severely wounded, if not mortally wounded. He wants to strike at them. And he probably realizes that the Mexican government is in bed with the Mexican cartels and always has been in bed with the Mexican cartels to the extent the Mexican military has ever done much of anything, especially in any kind of recent years, the last 15 years. It's kind of dog and pony show stuff. It's Hugs not bullets was actually the name of their official policy. I'm not making that up. That's their name.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Gregory Braun]

Hugs not bullets. And Trump wants to make it Bullets not hugs. And he's made that clearer. And if they don't make it Bullets not hugs, for real, I think Trump will actually strike militarily and unilaterally at those cartels. I think he wants to. I think he's aching to do it.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, let me just go on record in saying, because there's a lot of Yah. I don't know where you come down on this, and I'm not calling you this at all, but there's a lot of the warmongers and neocons and nutjobs that I can't stand who are pushing us, want to go to war with Russia. They want us to go to war with Iran. I don't have any tolerance for those people. However, this is, to me, the greatest threat to the United States right here, right now, right on our border, is what these cartels are doing and the cartel violence that's poured into the United States of America. This is a clear and present danger. Colonel MacGregor has said it. Get our troops out of the Mid east, put them on our US Border, get them here to protect the United States of America. And President Trump has said that US, the Mexico has to be doing more to combat these gangs and cartels, otherwise we're going to step in. Are they doing more to stop the drugs and cart and the cartels?

[Gregory Braun]

Well, in, in fairness, they are. The, the Mexicans have actually gone kinetic against the cartels and the fentanyl producing hubs, primarily in Cooliacon, which is Sinaloa State down there. You can look it up on Google. That's where most of the fentanyl got produced and is shipped into the United States over the borders. Well, Trump said 25% tariffs unless you put a stop to that. And it has been nonstop raiding and arresting, blowing stuff up, dismantling labs all over Cooliacan. And the fentanyl seizures coming across the US with more troops, with more border patrol available to look for it and interdict it is down 50% from where it was at this same period of time last year. It appears as though they're having some effect. Now. I interviewed recently, Derek Maltz, who's the acting head of dea, had him on the phone and I asked him what was going on down there. And he said, well, the cartels have decided that fentanyl is just too hot of a product and they have made a strategic business decision because of the pressure Trump is putting on to stop trafficking it over the US Border and to send it to Europe instead of, oh, geez. So we'll see if that actually turns out to be the case. They're still picking up fentanyl. We're still fighting it. There's still stuff coming over the border. But, you know, the Trump pressure campaign on Mexico, even in light of that, even in light of the Mexican effort to shut down the illegal immigration on their side of the border, it's still not enough. That's why I say I think Trump may be aching to go unilateral here. One quick thing. Well, I don't know how quick it is, but, you know, when I say the administration is setting the table for something, what I mean by that is that they are doing unprecedented numbers of spy flights over Mexico, which means they are mapping targets. They have shifted CIA personnel from Ukraine and the Middle east into Mexico to do counternarcotics work. They have put three destroyers off the coast of the Pacific in the lanes for Mexico in international waters with Coast Guard contingents aboard that can pop off on dinghies and zoom over and do operations. They have put warships also on the Gulf of America. They have put the 10th Mountain Division, which is just a badass unit, storied unit in Arizona and New Mexico, and they put Stryker brigades, those big eight wheeled 15 ton monstrosities loaded with all kinds of weaponry, machine guns and surveillance technology and everything else in Texas, New Mexico and everywhere else. So it looks like if Trump administration, which by the way, has been reported in the Washington Post as saying that they are having meetings about unilaterally doing drone strikes against the cartels in Mexico with or without Mexican knowledge or assistance, then all of that armor and hardware bracketing Mexico will be there in case they try to strike back.

[Clayton Morris]

This is huge. I just want to.

[Natalie Morris]

I just want to clarify my jaws on the floor.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, you're breaking some big story, big news here, Todd. And I think arguably no one knows. Yeah, I mean, no one knows more about this than you. So you're saying that the c. A lot of the CIA that were focused on Ukraine have been repositioned in Mexico now carrying out spy flights, identifying cartel targets, basically ready to go. So everything is like lined up and ready to go. Did I hear you correctly?

[Natalie Morris]

And if you think about, if I can just piggyback that question, Think about what we need to go to war with Afghanistan is we need allies in and around that region so we can launch from those places. We would not have to do that if in fact there is a path forward to going to war with the cartels. That's wild.

[Gregory Braun]

Yeah. And you know, by the way, you know, this isn't. I'm not getting this from secret sources or anything. I'm just following the public dots that are already out there. You know, it was the Washington Post that reported about the transfer of CIA officers from other regions into Mexico. It's been the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal reporting about the spy flights, the Striker Brigades. That's all. You can read all about that in the Stars and Stripes and Military Times. It's all out there. But it's unprecedented the things that they're doing. I mean, these are hardcore light infantry ground units that they're deploying to a border that has no illegal immigrants crossing right now. And people are starting to say, well, why are you doing that? There's no illegal immigrants crossing. And the answer is silence. And I can read into the silence about why they're putting these heavy duty combat units on our border. And it's to deter retaliation against whatever they've got going. That's my guess. It's a speculative guess.

[Clayton Morris]

I heard about these spy Flights I had missed that CIA in that Washington Post piece had been repositioned from Ukraine to carry this out, I guess. Todd, we'll get you out of here on this. You talked a little bit about how it's been affecting right now in the United States on the fentanyl side, how many border crossings? We hear the numbers from the Trump administration on border crossings and let's include Canada in this mix as well. What is your assessment of where things stand right now, illegals coming into the United States? We had to stop the bleeding. Has the bleeding stopped?

[Gregory Braun]

Yes, the bleeding has stopped. The mass migration crisis of the last four years is over. And I officially declared that in a column back in January after going down there, and I've been down there on both sides of the border twice since Trump came into office. It's over, folks. It just ended in about an hour. Took about one hour. Not a big Senate bill. It just took, it took a will to use the existing tools provided by Congress in statute in the law, which is detain and deport everybody that you catch. It's that simple. Stop letting everybody in. It was that simple. They turned the switch. Now we still have about 250 to 300 day crossing border wide, but that compares to 14,000 a day at the height of this thing and 8, 9, 10, 12,000 a day for months and months and years and years. So in all of those, mostly, most of all of those were allowed in, but the 250 to 300 a day we're getting now are all being returned. I saw Homan or somebody recently went public and said we did release nine. They released nine. I'd like to know why they released even those nine. They kind of got my curiosity, like, okay, you released nine. Like, what's special about those nine? Remind me to look into that.

[Natalie Morris]

But like nine, I have that somewhere. It was like, I can't remember. I can find it in my notes. Go ahead. I remember that nine number from recent.

[Gregory Braun]

Yeah, if you're not letting anyone in and you're catching everybody. And by the way, they're not only catching and they're not only hunting, aggressively hunting them and detaining and deporting them, they're also referring thousands of those that they catch for prosecution, federal prosecution. This is not, well, very widely known, this part of what the Trump administration is doing under INA 1325 and 1326, these are prosecutions in the criminal, federal criminal courts that can get a first time offender about six months in prison. But if you do it again, it's a 1326. And you can get up to 20 years, especially if you have any sort of criminal history on you. So you could get 10 years. You could get a lot of prison time if you're crossing and they're doing that and then they serve their time and then they send them home. Well, that kind of activity on this side spreads all around the world, and nobody wants to spend the smuggling money to get that. That's what they get. A jail term or else a deportation and they're broke and in debt. That's the whole game right there. And that's why the numbers are ridiculously low. And by the way, one last thing. There is this category, a very dangerous category called gotaways. You probably have heard about it.

[Clayton Morris]

Yes.

[Gregory Braun]

During The Biden administration, 2.4 million, at least that's an undercount. Got away into the interior. Never. Nobody ever laid hands on them. They just got a picture of them from a blimp or, you know, game camera or something, or somebody spotted their footprints and they get counted. So it's probably an undercount. Well, today it looks like the number we have whole days and weeks that go by without a single got away. No runners at all. And that's a high concentration of criminal aliens that would want to run into the country and try to escape and get away. They usually have to pay smugglers a lot of money to do that. Well, the smuggling fees have just gone through the roof because the risk against the smugglers, who all get prosecuted under to the highest nth of the law that we can prosecute them for, don't want to smuggle them in anymore. It's not worth it. So they're hiking their prices to make up for the risk, and nobody can afford the prices except the richest of the rich. So there you go. It's like every category is just doing really great.

[Natalie Morris]

All right. I found it in my notes. Those nine, eight of them were material witnesses in criminal cases.

[Gregory Braun]

There you go.

[Natalie Morris]

And one was a medical emergency. Yeah, I found it. Sorry. It was bothering me because I had just looked into this and it was in early April that he said that. You're right. Do you have another question?

[Clayton Morris]

No, I was just going to make a statement and thank Todd. My point is that what you just said there at the end underscores how this was treason by the Biden administration. I mean, you write about it in your book Overrun that this was calculated. The fact that with what, what Trump is able to do in just a short amount of time shows you that it was Criminal negligence on the part of the, in the Biden administration. But beyond that, it was intentional and it was brought to bring America to its knees. All of the things you just labeled there, you cut out, you cut off their money, you cut off their supply. You make it, you make it incredibly dangerous for them to do it and you stop the bleeding and you could do it within a few weeks. And the Biden administration chose not to do it. They did the opposite.

[Gregory Braun]

Right. And they bamboo the American public about, you know, we, we just, there's a, there's just an inevitability about this. We just can't do anything we're powerless against. We need a, a big Senate bill. If only Trump hadn't killed that Senate bill. Remember all that.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Gregory Braun]

We need comprehensive immigration reform. We have a broken immigration system. We've got to fix all that. Root causes. We got to rebuild the nations of Central America so they don't want to come here anymore. After 30 years, a big Marshall Plan or something. All of that is just exposed. Absolutely. With brilliant white light, sunlight as total bs. None of that was ever true. The only thing that stands unscathed is this policy of catch, detain, deport, end of story.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Now it's happening to Europe. So the delusion and. Yeah, and now you tell us fentanyl is going to Europe. This is going to be a bad, bad situation for the Europeans. Todd, great to see you. Thank you so much for your expertise on this. Really fascinating.

[Gregory Braun]

Thanks for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

And thank you for your great work as well. All right, coming up here, we're going to talk about Mark Carney flying into Washington, D.C. sitting down with President Trump. What does Trump want from Canada? What does Canada want from Trump? We'll talk about that in a moment.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, no, I'm just.

[Natalie Morris]

We're both still recovering from some congestion, so I notice Clayton is huffing and puffing.

[Clayton Morris]

What?

[Natalie Morris]

In that last segment, you said Mexico. It's Mexico. Just. Excuse me.

[Clayton Morris]

Mexico.

[Natalie Morris]

Pardone moi.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay, how's everyone doing on. On. On Rumble? And good to see all of our folks watching us on YouTube as well. Nice to see all of you guys lost the mouse again. All right, let's dive into this. So ahead of the meeting with Mark Carney today, President Trump said, we don't need anything from Canada. All we need their friendship. And I'm quoting him now. We don't need their cars. We don't need their energy. We don't need their lumber. We don't need anything they have other than their friendship, which hopefully we will always maintain. They, on the other hand, need everything from us.

[Natalie Morris]

How would you feel if you had flown from Canada to be told that to your face as the newly elected Prime Minister? You know, I don't need anything from you. Nice of you to come for lunch, though, as nice.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Here. Have a nice lunch here in the White House. But we don't need anything from you. We just need friendship. We don't need your timber. We don't need anything that you have. What's interesting, though, because the prime minister, you know, he ran on a campaign of Trump is bad for Canada and Trump is bad for America. He's a tyrant, he's a dictator. But then there he is sitting right next to Trump and then he starts. He spends like a minute and a half just like praising Trump on a whole host of issues. It was a really bizarre thing. It's like just to show you that he was just spouting a lot of BS in order to be elected in Canada because he doesn't believe any of it. Watch.

[Justin Trudeau]

Thank you for your hospitality and above all, for your leadership. You're a transformational president. Focus on the economy with A relentless focus on the American worker, Securing your borders, providing, ending the scourge of fentanyl and other opioids and securing the world. And I've been elected with, with my colleagues here, with the help of my colleagues here, I'm going to spread the credit to transform Canada, with a similar focus on the economy, securing our borders, again on fentanyl, much greater focus on defence and security, securing the Arctic and developing the Arctic. And, you know, the history of Canada and the U.S. is we're stronger when we work together, and there's many opportunities to work together, together. And I look forward to, you know, addressing some of those issues that we have, but also finding those areas of mutual cooperation so we can move forward.

[Mark Carney]

That's great.

[Unnamed Reporter]

Very nice. Thank you very much.

[Clayton Morris]

Wow, Interesting. So, okay, you're a strong leader. You're focused on the American worker. Okay. You're securing the worker, which is a specific attack on the tariffs. I mean, that's not even an attack. It's like kind of you're acknowledging your American workers have been decimated. So the tariffs, that's an American workers point. The, the fentanyl crisis, which Mark Carney, of course, and this is exactly what Trudeau didn't do, which is lockdown, stop any of the fentanyl flowing in from China through the port of Vancouver into the United States. I mean, he sounds like. He doesn't sound anything like he did when he was running.

[Natalie Morris]

No, he doesn't. And Canada continues to try to align themselves with the European Union. There are even jokes that Trudeau wants to be an EU leader or wanted to while he was in power. They continue to say, you know, it's. It's the EU that's going to lead the war against Russia because the United States is giving up, and so we're going to have to go and join them. But that doesn't seem. But now he says it's the United States that is securing the world. It's Trump personally that's securing the world. The President went on to say, well, you know, we will always. We look out for Canada. We will always secure Canada, but we need to not send them quite so much money. We need to stop that. But we're always going to look out. It was very, you know, avuncular. Like, when your dad died, I promised I'd take care of you, so I will always do that. It's kind of our responsibility. We don't like it. You can't do it yourself. Very infantilizing, don't you think?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. And also, it's interesting to see him talk about Trump on subsidizing Canada. So this sort of back and forth about why are we gonna spend $200 billion subsidizing Canada on a regular basis? And he was asked this question by a reporter, and here's what he had to say right to. Right in front of Carney's face.

[Unnamed Reporter]

Watch Trudeau. When I spoke to him, I used to call him Governor Trudeau. I think that probably didn't help his election. But when I spoke to him, I said, so why are we. Why are we taking your cars? Why are we taking your. We want to make them ourself. I mean, I said, and if the price of your cars went up or if we put a tariff. If we put a tariff on your cars of 25%, what would that mean to you? He said, that would mean the end of Canada. He actually said that to me. And I said, that's a strange answer, but I understand his answer. But, no, I mean, it's hard to justify subsidizing Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion a year. We protect Canada, Canada militarily, and we always will. We're looking at, you know, that's not a money thing, but we always will. But, you know, it's not fair. But why are we subsidizing Canada $200 billion a year or whatever the number might be. It's a very substantial number. And it's hard for the American taxpayer to say, gee whiz, we love doing that. Thank you very much.

[Natalie Morris]

We're going to have. It's a hard sell, guys, now that the American taxpayer knows that. And I love Carney's face when he talked. He made the joke about govern Governor Trudeau, because he's not supposed to laugh at that, but he wants to sort of give Trump a sympathy chuckle, chuckle.

[Clayton Morris]

But he just kept his face as straight as could be, like, no sign of emotion. Oh, you're making fun of Governor Trudeau.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay.

[Clayton Morris]

He also commented about Christia Freeland, and he, you know, said, she's a horrible human being, a horrible woman. And he's just sitting there like, that's my friend Christia Freeland. So I don't know, we're gonna see what happens here. But this was a really interesting. Trump didn't seem to pull any punches on it.

[Natalie Morris]

I'll say. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, the Trump administration issued an order to end gain of function research on Monday. This means that laboratories manipulate dangerous viruses for experimentation, they say for research and vaccines. But you know, where that's led us. Now, here's the White House explaining this as the president signs this order. But before you watch this, keep in mind that President Obama did the exact same thing first, and then it was during the Trump administration when the NH NIH resumed gain of function. So this has all happened under Trump's watch, and yet the White House is pretending this is a brand new thing. Let's break this down. But watch first.

[White House Spokesperson]

The first relates to gain of function research. Gain of function research is a type of biomedical research where pathogens are adulterated, viruses are adulterated to make them more potent or to change the way that they function. Many people believe that gain of function research was one of the key causes of the COVID pandemic that struck us in the last decade. What this executive ordered does, first of all, it provides powerful new tools to enforce the ban on federal funding for gain of function research abroad. It also strengthens other oversight mechanisms related to that issue and creates an overarching strategy to ensure that biomedical research in general is being conducted safely and in a way that ultimately protects human health more.

[Unnamed Reporter]

It's a big deal. Could have been that we wouldn't have had the problem we had.

[White House Spokesperson]

A lot, a lot of people say.

[Unnamed Reporter]

That, sir, if we had this done earlier. Thank you.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay, but it was done under Obama and then undone under his first administration. So how did that happen? It wasn't Trump himself that undid Obama's order. But let's look, because instead of celebrating this like, oh my God, we wanted this, we got it. Let's ask the question, if we're being prudent now, why is it gonna work this time? Because again, I'm telling you, and here's proof from the Obama White House in 2014 that Obama did put a pause on gain of function in again, October of 2014. And the rationale was that a pause was needed to assess the risk and benefits of this dangerous types of research. The Obama administration established a board to assess gain of function and then paused all federal funding for it, much like the order we got yesterday. But mad scientists did it anyway. They use loopholes. They used foreign contracts with labs in, oh, Ukraine and China, and they basically never put a pause. So if someone knows of any research that was actually paused because of Obama's order, I would love to know about it. Because from what we've seen, it kept going. They did what they wanted. Uh, and again, what happened in December of 2017 when Trump was president, is the National Institute of Health saying, we unpause, we push that button, we're gonna do what we want here is that order from. Again, December of 2017 from. I'm sorry, I don't have the name in front of me, but the NIH director at the time said we need this to develop strategies and countermeasures against evolving pathogens that pose a threat to public health. So naturally, the questions remain because we've seen this before, how do we know that this actually will end gain of function, given it was supposed to 10 years ago and they did it anyway? Since this order only applies to federally funded research, couldn't it be that the private sector keeps doing it? And if they do, would it be with less government oversight, which might be scary. Who can we trust here? And again, because we've been lied to by our own government. Journalist Sam Housini makes this great point that it's worth noting that the dangerous lab work was initiated following the false flags of anthrax, which were blamed on Muslims. But do you know who made that? That ended up also being from a US Lab. Government labs. So the Trump order does prevent collaboration with foreign labs on gain of function. There's also a concern that foreign labs may not be forthcoming with their projects. So the government could say, hey, you know, we're working with China on this, but really it's that, right? Because we don't get the full scope of their work and their projects. So again, this. Go ahead, please. I was going to say, I just believe that that's why they have those biolabs in Ukraine that are under, under, like outside of the US Purview. That's why they're, you know, because they're not going to report anything. They're not going to say what's going on there. This executive order is supposed to review foreign contracts for science and research. Will they actually do it? Because that's what the Obama order was also supposed to do, and it didn't happen and we continue to get gain of function. So again, this executive order doesn't really address these questions. It doesn't say what happens if you do it anyway. And the government funds this because obviously Foushee wasn't supposed to do it and he did it anyway. Other government scientists did. So then what is the penalty? Lose your medical license? Go to jail? Something like that. Right. It only specifies that within 120 days there will be a plan for those things, a plan for punishment, a plan for execution. So we don't really know. And it's not actually as novel as all that because again, it's happened before. And so I mean, and I would love to ask President Trump personally, did you know the na nih unpause the pause under your first administration? Why did you let them do that? Did they even tell you? Was that done with? You know, was this part of the swamp that was working against you? I would love to know. Now, I did put these questions to the White House on their X account. Here is my tweet to them saying, great, but I have these questions. So maybe if you have an ex account, retweet it, because they did not respond to me. And I want to know, how is this time different? Why is this going to be different? We cannot celebrate this unless we have answers to those questions. So let us know what you think of that. All right. Well, that's going to do it for us today on redacted. It's been a packed show. A lot. I learned a lot. I learned a lot today. So please come back tomorrow. 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[Clayton Morris]

Bye, Clayton.