Zelensky reveals TOTAL DESTRUCTION plan for Ukraine in new interview, Iran prepares for US strikes

Summary

Redacted News – Episode Summary: "Silence = Complicity"

Release Date: March 26, 2025

In this compelling episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton Morris and Natali Morris delve into a series of pressing global and national issues, challenging mainstream narratives and uncovering hidden truths. From the unfolding conflict in Ukraine to controversial moves within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and the release of pivotal JFK assassination files, this episode provides a thorough analysis aimed at empowering listeners with unfiltered information.

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1. Ukraine's Dire Situation and Zelensky's Interview

The episode opens with a critical examination of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's recent interview with Time Magazine. Hosts argue that Zelensky has admitted the potential collapse of Ukraine and has called for NATO's increased involvement, effectively advocating for the "total destruction of Ukraine."

Clayton Morris highlights:

"Zelensky... is not afraid to demand the truth from authorities." [00:14]

Key Points:

• Zelensky's Admission: The President admits that Ukraine is nearing collapse and urgently requires NATO's support, which could result in increased casualties.
• Impact on Civilians: The hosts emphasize that the mainstream media is overlooking the atrocities committed against civilians in regions like Donetsk.
• Expert Insight: Colonel Douglas MacGregor joins the discussion, condemning Zelensky as a "pathological liar" and the primary obstacle to peace, calling for his removal to pave the way for normalization with Moscow.

Notable Quote by Colonel MacGregor:

"Zelensky is the principal obstacle to peace. He wants disaster. We want normalization." [18:58]

2. RFK Jr.'s Controversial Role in HHS

Natali Morris voices concerns over RFK Jr.'s unexpected focus within the HHS. Initially anticipated to tackle tangible health issues like fluoride removal and food additives, RFK Jr. has shifted his attention to combating antisemitism, leaving many puzzled by this pivot.

Natali Morris questions:

"What dirt do they have on him, by the way? We'll talk about that." [01:31]

Key Points:

• Departure from Promises: RFK Jr. was expected to address "poison" in food and water but is now concentrating on antisemitism.
• Government Influence: The discussion raises alarms about potential academic censorship and the government's overreach in setting educational agendas.
• Political Implications: The hosts criticize the selective focus on antisemitism while ignoring other forms of racism, labeling it "neo-racism."

Notable Quote by Natali Morris:

"Anti Semitism was not on the list of things that rallied his supporters." [01:31]

3. Big Soda's Tactics and MAGA Influencers' Involvement

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to exposing Big Soda's efforts to undermine public health by funding MAGA-aligned influencers to promote sugary drinks through the SNAP food stamps program. Independent Journalist Nick Sorter reveals how these influencers received payments to push Big Soda's agenda without disclosure, violating FTC guidelines.

Clayton Morris remarks:

"They may be paid fist-sized checks to protect that bottom line." [38:28]

Key Points:

• Coordinated Messaging: Multiple MAGA influencers posted identical messages promoting the use of SNAP funds for sugary drinks, suggesting corporate manipulation.
• Lack of Transparency: Influencers failed to disclose their sponsorships, making the promotion misleading and unethical.
• Public Health Concerns: The subsidy of junk food via SNAP programs has led to increased health issues among low-income families, exacerbating societal problems.

Notable Quote by Steve:

"It’s the definition of selling out. It’s the definition of selling out." [41:05]

4. Unveiling the JFK Files with Larry Hancock

In a groundbreaking segment, Larry Hancock, a renowned JFK assassination researcher, discusses the recently released JFK files. These documents provide new insights and challenge the established narrative of Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone.

Larry Hancock explains:

"We can definitively say that Oswald didn’t do it. Oswald was not directly involved." [57:27]

Key Points:

• New Evidence: The released files include previously redacted memos and documents that shed light on the CIA's internal issues and Oswald's possible connections.
• Conspiracy Theories Validated: Hancock suggests that the Warren Commission may have ignored crucial evidence, pointing towards a more complex conspiracy involving multiple shooters.
• Historical Implications: The findings necessitate a reevaluation of the JFK assassination, indicating potential government obstruction and the need for further investigation.

Notable Quote by Larry Hancock:

"There are a lot of people, and I did call out some people that lied about it straight to everybody's faces. Those people can never be trusted." [54:53]

5. Other News: Iran's Preparation for US Strikes

The episode also touches upon Iran's military preparations in response to potential US strikes. Colonel Douglas MacGregor expresses concern over the deployment of B2 bombers to Diego Garcia, interpreting it as a clear threat toward Iran.

Colonel MacGregor states:

"This is very, very sophisticated aircraft designed to survive integrated air defenses... obviously Iran." [27:08]

Key Points:

• Military Escalation: The movement of B2 bombers signals heightened tensions and potential for military conflict with Iran.
• Strategic Concerns: The precision and power of these bombers pose significant risks, potentially leading to broader regional instability.
• Transparency Issues: The hosts criticize the U.S. administration for publicizing such sensitive military movements, arguing it showcases incompetence and lack of strategic foresight.

Notable Quote by Colonel MacGregor:

"These kinds of conversations are deplorable in any case, for the reasons that you cite." [29:14]

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Conclusion

In this episode of Redacted News, Clayton and Natali Morris navigate through a labyrinth of political maneuvers, military strategies, and historical revelations. By challenging mainstream narratives and presenting exclusive insights from experts like Colonel Douglas MacGregor and Larry Hancock, the hosts emphasize the importance of questioning official stories and seeking the underlying truths that often remain concealed. This episode serves as a crucial resource for listeners striving to stay informed beyond conventional media portrayals.

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Key Quotes:

• Clayton Morris:

  "We want to set the record straight and bring you the stories nobody else tells." [00:14]

• Natali Morris:

  "Anti Semitism was not on the list of things that rallied his supporters." [01:31]

• Colonel Douglas MacGregor:

  "Zelensky is the principal obstacle to peace. He wants disaster. We want normalization." [18:58]

• Larry Hancock:

  "We can definitively say that Oswald didn’t do it. Oswald was not directly involved." [57:27]

• Steve:

  "It’s the definition of selling out. It’s the definition of selling out." [41:05]

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Transcript

[Clayton Morris]

Welcome, everyone, to redacted. Philip says, hey, I hit the wrong button. Steve in our chat says, this music makes me. Wants to. Makes me want to run for my.

[Natalie Morris]

Life or fight for your life. That's why we're here.

[Clayton Morris]

Welcome, everyone, to the big show.

[Natalie Morris]

Fight the narrative, you guys.

[Clayton Morris]

That's right. We cover the stories the mainstream media largely ignores, and they're largely ignoring the atrocities that are being carried out against civilians right now in Ukraine, in the Donbas, in People's Republic of Donetsk, which is the area that of course, has been in highly contentious area for many, many. Zelensky just gave an in a big interview with Time magazine about basically admitting, hey, we're done and we're going to collapse and NATO really needs to step in. Western powers need to step in and fund the rest of this so that more people can die. Basically calling for the total destruction of Ukraine. We're going to talk about that. Colonel Douglas MacGregor is going to join us in a few minutes on.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh, and Europe, too. You're next. Basically, we're the first domino to fall. You take it from here. This is a terrible plan. We're also going to talk about RFK Jr. What is he doing over at the Health and Human Services Department? Because he's really focused. Focused on poison, that is Anti Semitism. Well, he promised me as a maha mom that he would work on poison that's poisoning our kids, like food dyes, fluoride, additives in medicine. Anti Semitism was not on the list of things that rallied his supporters. I'm very confused at the politics that's happening in hhs. So we're going to take a look in depth at what they're. What the f, you guys.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. What dirt do they have on him, by the way? We'll talk about that. We're also gonna talk about Big Soda buying off MAGA influencers. You may have noticed over the past few days, a number of your favorite MAGA influencers on Twitter all posted almost the exact same message, defending Big Soda, pushing Big Soda and Big Sugar into people that use the SNAP food stamps program. Like, what the heck? Nick Sorter, who broke that story, is gonna be joining us here. We're also gonna be talking about the JFK files as well with Larry Hancock and what's actually in these files coming up here in a short order. But we're going to get to all of that. But first, I want to tell you about our friends over at Green Chef. If you're a busy family like we are, there's no Bigger savior right now than having Green Chef in your kitchen delivering amazing meals right to your front door. You don't have to think about your dinner plans. It's all beautifully set out for you to choose your meal kits, cook your meals, enjoy your dinner all under one application. Green Chef is the number one meal kit for clean eating. They deliver pre portioned, prepped quality whole foods with limited processed processed ingredients. They send organic fresh produce, responsibly sourced proteins, Chef designed recipes in every box. They're really fantastic if you want to create better eating habits. That last Green Chef makes it easy with dietitian developed recipe options featuring fresh organic produce quality whole food delivered right to your front door. Set your health goals in motion this year with Green Chef's reset collection which is available for a limited time right now. If you want to check it out, really, really easy. It really helps us on our nights to not have to worry about this with you got dance class, you've got swimming pract, all of this stuff after our show at night. It's kind of crazy around here. So this has really been a huge help for us thrive all year with clean easy meals from Green chef. Go to greenchef.com redacted free redacted free is your code. Use that code redactedfree to get started with free salads for two months plus 50% off your first box. Again. Try it now. Redacted free just go to greenchef.com redacted free. Try it. It's the number one meal kit for eating.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

After redacted I drop the girls off at dance. Oh, I do not dance.

[Natalie Morris]

He doesn't take dance.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

No.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm the worst dancer you've ever seen. All right, well, what the.

[Natalie Morris]

What the hell is happening with RFK Jr. At the Department of Health and Human Services? Now, he made a lot of promises on the campaign trail as it regards to health, like human health, not mental health so much as real health. He promised us to get fluoride out of the water because that has been named a known toxin. He promised to focus on food dyes, additives in medicine, real studies around the pharmaceuticals that are pushed on the American public. But instead he's focused on antisemitism as a public health issue. And I'm just so confused at this. So I'd like us to look at this together. I. I want to do an. I have a good news and bad news so that, you know, we don't all get too mad. So let's start with the good news. The good News is that ProPublica is reporting that the National Institute of Health will no longer be funding work on the health effects of climate change. Now, ProPublica is pretty pissed off about this, but I'm not. They call it catastrophic and devastating, but where has research like this led us to? Only more misinformation like this from Pope. ProPublica. As extreme weather events such as hurricanes, heat waves, wildfires and floods continue to intensify and become more frequent, researchers are increasingly examining the impact climate change has on public health. Only most of that is demonstrably wrong. Extreme weather events have gone down. Weather deaths have gone down drastically. The most extreme weather events took place not recently. The strongest landfall wind hurricane was in 1935. The largest rainfall hurricane was Hurricane Easy, 1945. The worst storm to hit California was in 1961. The earth has experienced at least two global warming periods and recovered from both without public policy. So I can send you any of this research if you'd like to see it. Now, a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services said this. Well, we are dedicated to restoring our agencies to the tradition of upholding gold standard evidence based science. As we begin to make America healthy again, it's important to prioritize research that directly affects the health of Americans. Okay, so let's keep that in mind. They're telling us they are interested in only real research on human health, the body. Right. Cellular health. That's what we're talking about. So given this statement that HHS is focused again on the health of Americans, why is this a priority? One of the few things that Secretary Kennedy has announced since taking office. Look, instead of inspiring universal condemnation, the October 7th holocaust triggered a global wave of anti Semitism. Ivy League campuses became a greenhouse for poison. Poison. Remember, he told us about poison in the food, not in the air. But okay. President Trump has ordered his cabinet to use every constitutional tool to uproot. Uproot this divi. Divisive weed. I'm glad Columbia has agreed to this first step. So let's ignore the word holocaust so we don't get distracted by that semantic. What he's saying is that the HHS threatened Columbia University with money and they capitulated. And now the HHS can control the academic agenda. So how do we know that anti Semitism is a public health issue? He promised that he would do research on everything that he declared public health issue because of the COVID pandemic. So now he's saying this without proof. Like you told us, poison was in our food, was in our water, not in the air. An idea that's poison. This is a poisonous idea. Now Republicans refute that racism is a public health issue when it comes to black and Hispanics. Why is it now when it comes to Jewish people? You can't have it both ways. This is the language of neo racists. We talked about that during the Biden administration. And again, the proof that anti Semitism is on the rise. Well, they use the ADL research. This ADL research says that 83% of Jewish college students have experienced or witnessed anti Semitism. But that is broadly defined to include anything from quote, seeing vandalism to quote, being the victim of an assault. And we don't have reports of violence. We do have plenty of reports of discomfort. Why was that okay for black people to be dis. Like Republicans were fine with that. Right? But no, Jewish people cannot be uncomfortable. Okay. They also define anti Semitism as quote, hearing problematic comments about Israel. And they say this is the most an incident of anti Semitism. Well, that logic doesn't hold. We can say problematic things about Israel has nothing to do with Jewish people, nor should it. And again, does this hold for every racial group. Clearly it doesn't. If I want to say that the Turkish government may be corrupt for arresting political opponents, I can say that says nothing about a hate for Turkish people. Clearly not. And many Jewish people don't accept Israel as a representative of themselves. And further, I want to ask Holocaust survivors if hearing something problematic about Israel is anti Semitism having escaped death. So again, just get out of here with that now. It's our collective right to say that. But look what else HHS wants. This is again a document from HHS that they want in this response to the perception of anti Semitism. They want to look into the admissions procedures due to declining admissions for Jewish students. I myself. Not that one. Can we go to the next one? The next. This list, this bullet point list. I. I think that the declining enrollment of Jewish students is probably because fewer and fewer students that subsequent generations of immigrants identify as Jewish as a religion. But that's just my guess. But also they want to review the portfolio of regional studies. They want to what? They want to control the academic agenda of how we teach about Israel. That's not okay. That's 1984 level Indoc indoctrination. Should the government, any government, set the academic agenda of anything? Really? I'm just not getting it. So what do you think that this Academic censorship will include a ban on maybe Edward Said's book Orientalism or a reframing of the Israel Palestine conflict. This should scare us. So why. Why is RFK Jr focusing on this when we had such high hopes for him as a real arbiter of real public health?

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, he was the one guy in this administration, maybe more than any others, that we were hoping would be confirmed. I mean. Yes. Cash Patel. Yes. Tulsi Gabb, head of dni. Yes. Yes. And actually, we saw her yesterday stand up and say, iran's not building nuclear weapons. So she said that publicly yesterday. So that's good. But we thought RFK Jr. Would be the guy, the Democrat who's been pushing for getting fluoride out of our drinking water, talking about chemtrails, talking about making sure that our processed food, these dyes in our school lunches, all of this stuff. And this has been his main focus. I don't understand. I really don't.

[Natalie Morris]

I really don't either. And I'm hoping. And I'm upset about it now.

[Clayton Morris]

I do have some sourcing on this. I'm not going to say much more than that. That, that there. That there are big things coming from hhs, which. So I know he's trying to. According to my sources, he's been really trying to wrap his hands around a big piece of this at HHS right now. So I'm hopeful that bigger things are coming. But why this? I just don't know. I can't wrap my head around it.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, not only is it not pertaining to something that directly affects the health of Americans and a focus on chronic disease, but also it is neo racism. You can't reframe that. There's racism only for one group. Especially, again, as the Trump administration campaigned on the fact that, you know, giving privilege to one group was racist towards others. And so they downplayed Black Lives Matter. They downplayed all of these, you know, racial tropes that the Democrats love, but it pertains only to Jewish people. So I just don't understand it. And I really don't like the erosion of fundamental freedom, such as now the government sets the agenda, the academic agenda at universities. No, no to that. Absolutely no. No matter what party.

[Clayton Morris]

But then people jump right down the rabbit hole. Like, I see someone in the chat, it's like, why do you all hate Jewish people? No one. No one hates Jewish people.

[Natalie Morris]

Who said anything about that?

[Clayton Morris]

But that's the immediate thing. That's the immediate, like, sort of response. And so then it tries to shut down all conversation about it. Let me ask you, do you think that the Health and Human Services should be focused on pushing some sort of academic agenda in our schools? Like, this is exactly what MAGA fought against. Censorship, telling people how to, you know, what to study in their schools. Like, this is. This is exactly what they fought against.

[Natalie Morris]

So you think that the government should prevent students from hearing problematic things about Israel? Like, you're not allowed government.

[Clayton Morris]

You're like, nope, you're not allowed to hear it. You can't hear it. You can't. It's total and drawing a parallel, a.

[Natalie Morris]

Parallel to this in the Holocaust. I mean, that's like.

[Clayton Morris]

You know what I mean?

[Natalie Morris]

That's.

[Nick Sorter]

That's the part I was just like.

[Natalie Morris]

What in the world?

[Clayton Morris]

Like that. That's like a mass casualty event. And they're. They're treating this like it's like the Holocaust again. Like. Yeah, because some people's feelings got hurt. Like, that's really.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, I mean, if we're counting deaths, right, there's fewer casualties on the Palestinian side, if that's what we're really doing. I don't think they want to play.

[Larry Hancock]

No.

[Clayton Morris]

On the Israeli side, you mean?

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

No, there's more deaths on the Palestinian side.

[Nick Sorter]

I know you said there was less, though.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh, sorry. Sorry.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, yeah. Fact that was, I think, like, in real time.

[Steve]

Yep.

[Nick Sorter]

I think a good test for, like, anything like this, like, is just take the names off of it and just insert any other name in there. And if they were. If they were like, you know, the. That. I don't know, like, maybe the universities weren't allowed to mention Jesus, they would not be okay with the government coming in and saying, no, you can't do this. So you've just got to take the name plates off and look at the situation in a more sterile way, and you'll see that it's bogus.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

I don't understand what's going on here. I really don't. All right, we've got more news to get to here. Colonel Douglas MacGregor is going to join us in a moment because Time magazine just. Just dropped a kind of bombshell interview with Zelensky and the future of Ukraine as we get word of additional attacks on the People's Republic of Donetsk using new sorts of pedal mines as sort of a replacement for pedal mines now using these sort of grass mines. So killing civilians as part of your strategy, again, doubling down on that, we're going to talk about all of that and more. But first we are going to tell you about our friends over at Momentous. I've been using Momentous now for a number of weeks since they first started working with our show. And I'm telling you, this has been game changer, Game changer. Momentous. You know, winners don't make resolutions. Resolutions break. Instead they just start and then you maximize that momentum. When the goal is health span or being able to live better for longer, there are a few non negotiables. One of them is quality. When it comes to supplements geared towards high performers, no one does it like Momentous. The in they invest in NSF certification, meaning that every batch is tested for heavy metals, harmful additives and label claim accuracy. And it's the reason they're trusted by 32 NFL teams and collegiate sports team dietitians all over the country. Trusting research and their ecosystem of experts over fads means not offering every supplement on the market. Other brands can do that. Momentous believes in nailing the basics with bone crushing consistency and then curating an intentional routine based on your individual goals. And by basics we mean protein and creatine. Momentous sources Creapure, the purest form of creatine monohydrate available. It's an absolute must for both men and women for peak physical, physical and cognitive performance. My father in law was visiting a few weeks ago. He saw my son and I using the creatine and he ordered three bottles of it right then because he wants his cognitive health as you know, as we age. So he ordered three bottles of it. We've been taking their magnesium nighttime supplement. It's been fantastic for a great night's sleep as well. So go right now. Livemomentous.com try it today. 20% off with their code redacted and start living on purpose.

[Natalie Morris]

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But his electrolytes were in the toilet. So now we're like, you need to drink more water, son, so you don't have these migraine attacks. All right, well, Ukrainian kids now have something new to play with when they go to a toy store. Ukraine this week launched its new new toy line. This seems fun. Take a look at this. This is the AFU fighter Oksanka. Prosthetic leg and a Ukrainian flag on her chest. So little kids can now dream up, dream of growing up and dying in NATO's proxy war or just have a leg blown off in battle. That's for the future of Ukraine. This comes as a new report out this morning shows the size and scope of Ukraine's cemeteries has more than doubled in recent months. Just look at these images. Just take a step back. When you think about the warmongers in Washington, D.C. and NATO and the European Union who want more of these people to die. Look all of the extra space that they've made available. Look at that right there on your screen, the left side of your screen. That's for the many thousands of people that will continue to die unless this ends soon. It's an absolute disaster. The Time magazine just published a brand new interview with Ukrainian dictator Zelensky. And it's pretty damn revealing.

[Natalie Morris]

First they I'll go through this part because this is the part that made me absolutely nuts. They say, well, he doesn't really like all the gold decor in the nation's capital, but he has one room where he goes to chill out and relax. And it has paintings that he picked himself. Take a look at them. They feature the Kremlin on fire, a Russian battleship sinking, and his people at war inside the Russian borders. And he says, this Kremlin on Fire 1 is his favorite. That's not normal. This is not a guy who cares about life, you guys. This is a guy who cares about death.

[Clayton Morris]

So, yeah. So let's bring in Colonel Douglas MacGregor now to talk about all of these revelations in this Time Magazine article about him. Basically admitting now that you know what Ukraine is done, the only way we survive is if the west steps up. He hopes that Europe will be the ones to step up and really fund and supply weapons to continue this senseless war. Colonel, good to see you. Welcome back to the show. Just first, your thoughts on this Time magazine interview with Zelensky.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Well, my thoughts about most interviews with Zelensky are not very positive. The man is a pathological liar. And so it's difficult to accept much of what he says. Though I admit you're correct, that he's finally talking about the losses and the destruction of his country, which in my judgment is largely his fault. Now, you will recall, because you were one of the few people that was interviewing me some time ago when this war got off to a start and I started reporting the tremendous losses the Ukrainians were taking. And everybody said, oh, no, that's a lie. He's working for Putin or something. And then they were attributing these losses Ukrainians were taking to the Russians. Well, now at least we have the true picture, and you're showing it, and it needs to be shown to people, because this has been a terrible, terrible disaster for Ukraine. Russia, of course, has suffered. It's paid a price. It's lost 100,000 Russians, probably 10,000 Chechens on top of that. But those losses are almost minuscule when you figure that somewhere is between 1.2 million and 1.5 million Ukrainian soldiers have been killed. And this man, Zelensky, is the principal obstacle to peace. I mean, the man that obviously conducted this interview isn't aware of it, but the discussions that are going on between us and the Russians in Riyadh are going very well. And we're getting down into details. We're going to iron things out. The only thing that stands between the normalization of relations with Moscow and disaster right now is, of course, Zelensky. He wants disaster. We want normalization. So I plead with the President, whenever he's listening. Exercise your power and authority. Remove Zelensky. Get rid of this man. This man is a danger to all of us. And as soon as he's out of the picture, all the things that the president wants to see happen, an ending to the killing, a ceasefire agreements, all of those things will happen. But you've got to get Zelensky out of the picture.

[Natalie Morris]

Right. And so one of the things that kills me about this article is that the author says, well, I met him last year in Switzerland when he was pitching his piece Peace Plan. And this quote, some of its demands struck his allies as fanciful. And no one expected Ukraine to achieve all of these goals, certainly not anytime soon. Well, that's nice of them to admit. A year later, after people have already died. So I wanted to throw my computer. The fact that the mainstream media is now admitting that this has always been Zelensky's ego project, to the death of thousands. Oh, but we knew that all along. No, they didn't. How can they say that they've been lying to us?

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Well, I think you're hitting the key point, and that is, yes, they were lying to us. Because truthfully, behind the scenes, I'm sure they knew the truth. And they were told to lie, and they readily lied. This was the whole narrative problem that Clayton has talked to many of his guests about. You can go back to Mike Krupa and talk about this sort of thing. The truth was out there, but no one wanted the truth. And so the lie took over, and everybody accepted it. The media accepted it. Not just here, but all across Europe. Now, suddenly, they Say, well, we knew these were fanciful aspirations. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead as a result of fanciful aspirations. And of course, the main culprits are, of course, Biden and his administration, but also the people in London and Paris and Berlin and the other major capitals that maintain the fiction. And anybody challenged it was a traitor, was somehow or another selling out his country. It's crazy.

[Natalie Morris]

Or just a betrayal to this myth that was Zelensky. This line also made me crazy that they need to make sure that there is some kind of peace agreement that Zelensky will not find too humiliating. Who the hell cares how he feels? So people have to die so he's not humiliated. What the hell kind of journalism?

[Clayton Morris]

Kid gloves.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, sorry I'm ranting, but I'm pissed.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

No, Natalie, you're 100% right. And that's why this man needs to go away. And the President of the United States who's presided over this disaster in the past has been replaced. We have a new one. His name is Trump. He did not create this. This is not his responsibility. But he needs to act decisively to get out of this, and that means get rid of Zelensky and the gang of criminals that surround him. If he doesn't do it very shortly, he's going to own this disaster. You know how Americans are. They only have so much patience. Yeah. He promised an end to this disaster. He's gotta end it. To end it, you gotta get rid of Zelensky.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, as an Eagles fan and a Philadelphia sports fan, I know it. We have a very thin amount of patience. And as soon as you. As soon as you screw up, as soon as you start underperforming, you're gonna start hearing boos, you know, and so. Yeah, you're right about that. I want to get your take on this KUR Journal. So a friend of the show, Eva Bartlett, one of the great. I think one of the greatest journalists, really, in the world, she really shone a light on the pedal mines that were being used by Ukraine to attack and kill civilians. They were like these green, little, like, leaf, like petal mines that would wind up in children's parks where they'd pick them up and they'd have their hands blown off or killed. Hundreds of people killed civilians targeting this. Well, now, here's their new strategy. These new grass mines. Mines which are now meant to look like sort of chunks of grass so that children can pick these up and they'll blow up so they don't look like petal mines anymore. But these are the new types of mines that Ukraine is launching into civilian areas in the People's Republic of Donetsk. So while these peace talks are going on in Riyadh, they're rolling out new strategies to target and kill civilians. Are you surprised?

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

No, because we tolerate it. Remember, we outlawed after Desert Storm the use of these DPCIM IPCM munitions. These were little bomblets that looked like baseballs. And children in Iraq would find these on the ground, picked up the ball and throw it. The next thing you knew, it exploded and either killed the child or maimed the child for life. And so we went back and said, no, we're not going to produce these anymore. We're going to outlaw these. And then we discovered we had some of these remaining in the arsenal that had not been destroyed yet, and we shipped them to Ukraine. The Ukrainian leadership, this criminal government is full of hatred. It hates in the plural, which is the worst kind of hatred. It's bad enough when one person hates another, but hating in the plural leads to disasters like the Holocaust during World War II and innumerable other places, Cambodia and so forth, forth. This has got to stop. Zelensky is responsible. He's pushing this. His supporters in Washington are pushing this, because it's all about hatred. That's another reason why President Trump's got to get involved and say, that's it. We're finished. They're out. We will do no more business with this regime. They must go.

[Clayton Morris]

I want to ask you, we both want to ask you about the signal leak before we let you get out of here. And also the. The Diego Garcia news over the past couple of hours, you probably have a lot more awareness about this, which is, normally, America has its B2 bombers in America. Well, suddenly, over the past couple of days, there's been a huge influx of American bombers appearing in the atoll, the island of Diego Garcia, showing force to Iran, preparing for strikes against Iran. This comes on the heels of this signal leak week, of course, that we saw with the attacks on the Houthi rebels in Yemen. So, first on these, on Diego Garcia and these bombers, what is your thought here? What are we positioning to do?

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Well, first of all, nobody should know about this. And unfortunately, today, in the world of satellite surveillance, it's very difficult to hide forces on the surface that move around, whether they're surface ships or aircraft or troops. But I am disappointed that this sort of thing is peddled by the media. If I were the Secretary of Defense, I would be furious. You know, this sort of thing should not be common knowledge. Now, what are they going to do? I think it's pretty clear, Clayton, this is all about Iran. You don't need to employ B2 bombers to strike the Houthis in Yemen, for God's sakes. So this is very, very sophisticated aircraft designed to survive integrated air defenses at 35, 40,000ft and bomb with precision. There's only one target set out there for which these would be useful to the United States at this point, and that is obviously Iran. Now, you know, I don't support this idea. I think this is a catastrophe. I don't think we should bomb anybody over this business right now. But unfortunately, we're not in charge. And this administration has played its cards and said, you know, we're the Israel first administration and we're going after Iran. So I think it's pretty obvious now, is this just a threat? Well, I don't think it's just a threat. I don't think it's a meaningless gesture. You don't move this kind of equipment, and this is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. This is what you see. Beyond that, there's a lot more firepower now that's being assembled in the region.

[Natalie Morris]

Now, we learned from this signal leak that it's. It would seem that the person who was flying the aircraft was not the same person that was actually deploying the weapons and that there was authorization to strike a civilian apartment because one of the targets was in it. That's usually not allowed. Right. And so you're talking about war crimes in Ukraine, and then we are watching it play out in front of us. Us. There were civilian deaths. Am I reading this correctly?

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Natalie? I thought the clown show was over.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

You know, when the election occurred and we got a new set of people, this is a clown show. First of all, these kinds of conversations are deplorable in any case, for the reasons that you cite, the sort of cavalier attitude towards the loss of human life and celebrating the death of an individual that for some reason we decided we wanted to personally annihilate, which, as you point out, strictly speaking, we have laws against assassination, particularly of people in other governments. But having said all of that, putting this out on signal is incomprehensible. We have encrypted networks. There's no reason that any discussion impinging on national security involving secrets and some of this could be construed as, well, it's not, strictly speaking, classified. Well, hell, you've just revealed tremendous intentions. You've revealed what you are about, who is making these decisions. You're Talking about the fact that Americans really don't know anything about the Houthis, so they don't understand why it's necessary for us to annihilate them from high altitude. These kinds of conversations are frightening. Frightening. And they're amateurish and they're unprofessional. So I don't know what the President is going to do about any of it, if anything, but under the circumstances, I think someone should pay the price. Whoever set this up, and I don't know how this man Goldberg, who is a card carrying enemy of Donald Trump and the administration in general, would have ever been included in something like this. I haven't figured that out. If this is a hack, do we know that? If it's not a hack, who put the name on there and why did that name show up there? The whole thing is incomprehensible. It makes us look clownish in the eyes of the whole world.

[Clayton Morris]

Right? Yeah. Pete Hegseth can kind of downplay it and kind of spin it and say there's nothing classified in here and go back to peddling nonsense and propaganda and that's fine. But at the heart of it, there's something really fishy with this and how this all unfolded. And it's really senior levels.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Clayton, when you get to senior levels like this, you're dealing with four stars and secretaries of defense and vice presidents and national security advisors. And I've been on the periphery of some of these things, and I watched as a particular general officer was told to speak to the Secretary of Defense and in came the man with the satellite phone and the encryption device and connected back to the Secretary of defense in Washington. And then the Secretary of Defense came up on the net to talk to the general officer. All of that was encrypted. All of it was secure. And the conversation they had in comparison with what we've heard about Clayton was modest. In other words, this is back in the mid-90s, and people would take no chances, none that this kind of thing could ever go public.

[Natalie Morris]

It's. Yeah, it's not just goonery, it's wrong. Yeah, it's flat out wrong to, yeah, you're right, assassinate and have acceptable civilian targets. This is one of the things that turn most of us against Obama. So come on, guys, you got to.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Remember something else that you're talking about a generation of people who are in charge right now. I exclude President Trump from that because he's not part of this generation. But if you look at the ages of these people, they don't have any real military experience, I'm sorry, but showing up for a few months in the National Guard and going on patrol or being in the public affairs office of the Marine Corps, these things do not prepare you to understand the gravity of the situation you're discussing. You're talking about the destruction not just of property but of human beings on a grand scale with weapons of mass destruction. And people say, well, that's not true. Well, I got news for you. A 2000 pound bomb that is precision delivered is a weapon of mass destruction that will kill and annihilate everything. You start talking about these things and you don't have an appreciation for what's at stake. Because there are consequences to our action. They're not limited to Yemen, they're not limited to Iran. These consequences can reach beyond the region. And this is the problem. And the danger of a regional war. I don't think we understand, frankly, the consequences involved. I don't think we understand the implications. It frightens me.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Yeah, frightens all of us. Colonel Douglas MacGregor, always great to see you. Thank you for your insights as always and being clear headed in this right from the very beginning. Thanks, Colonel.

[Colonel Douglas MacGregor]

Good to see you. Bye bye.

[Natalie Morris]

You too.

[Clayton Morris]

Thanks. All right, coming up here on the show, we're going to talk about these MAGA influencers who all suddenly posted the same thing within a 24 hour period promoting the idea of using SNAP food stamps to buy sugary drinks. Like what the hell's going on? We have the reporter who broke this story, friend of the show, Nick Sorter is going to be joining us here, here in moments.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Really wants people to use food stamps to buy their products. Yes. Being allowed to use SNAP program to buy sugary drinks. Do you support this? Your tax dollars going to fund this? It seems ridiculous. So they really support it. So much so that they're paying MAGA influencers to tweet about this. And Nick Sorter independent Journalist uncovered this story exposed influenceable the company cutting big checks to influencers on behalf of Big Soda. Over the past 48 hours, several large supposedly MAGA aligned influencers posted almost the identical talking points fed to them, convincing you Maha was out of line for basically not supporting Big Ship Big Soda. And you can see some of the tweets. They're all almost the exact same thing. Here's Clown World. Here's Eric Daughtry, Ian Miles Chong, not Jerome Powell. And the list goes on. There was a lot of them. Nick Sorter, who broke this story, joins us now. And nice to see you, Nick. Welcome to the show. Great to have you back.

[Steve]

I appreciate you, Clayton. And maybe if people realize how much money was actually spent tax dollars subsidizing these big soda companies. Of course you're going to see Coca Cola Company and PepsiCo dumping tons and tons of cash into these influencers cutting big checks, sometimes up to $1,000 per post, because tax dollars are currently giving them over $10 billion per year for sugary drinks and junk food. So, I mean, they are in scorched earth mode at this point and willing to write whatever checks necessary to protect that bottom line.

[Larry Hancock]

The.

[Steve]

The reason that this was so easy to point out, Clayton, is because how many people on our side of the aisle believe that we need to be subsidizing Coca Cola and PepsiCo to the tune of that number? And so I smelled a rat immediately, especially when I saw multiple of these quote unquote influencers invoking Donald Trump's name and saying, well, Donald Trump would be against this because he likes to drink Diet Coke. It was like, what kind of argument is that?

[Clayton Morris]

Right, Right. So we need to have tax dollars being used to fund food stamp programs because Donald Trump likes to enjoy a Diet Coke every day or multiple times a day with a Diet Coke button. And they all posted the same exact thing. I mean, this is exactly what I remember a few weeks ago. Of course, everyone was criticizing the whole Cory Booker posting of the exact same script that all of these Democrats were reading. That almost like they were just viral. They were grabbing their phones and like, you know, I just want to talk to you. About what? About something. They're all reading the exact same script and MAGA went crazy and they're doing the exact same thing. Yeah.

[Steve]

And so it makes us look terrible. But at least the difference between the right and the left is that we are willing to call out our own and keep ourselves in check. And that was a big takeaway from, from this weekend. You had a Lot of, of MAGA people that were rightfully outraged by this coordinated message. We want to be able to trust these people and not feel like that they can just be bought. If you're going to be part of the movement, you can't sell out to big soda lobbies for a few hundred or even a thousand dollars. You got to stick on your principles here. And I think it sort of reveals to us a little bit maybe who to question and maybe not trust to give us.

[Clayton Morris]

It's question everything, question everything. Right?

[Steve]

It's fine to do ads, it's fine to just, you know, have sponsors. You know, we have to make a living.

[Larry Hancock]

Right.

[Steve]

But disclose these sponsors and don't sell out your principles like that. That's why this is such a big deal.

[Clayton Morris]

No, I think you're right about that. I mean, we hear on the show we usually have like three or four sponsors per during our show every day. And if you watch like, you know, like a Fox News show, a FOX morning show, there'll be like 24 sponsors. I think in a show they go to commercial break or whatever. And we always say, you know, we're proud to sponsor, you know, this show is sponsored by this. I know like our friend of the show, Tucker Carlson, when he posts a video that he puts like, you know, brought to you by or whatever, partner paid partnerships or whatever else. So I want to put up your tweet because I think this is an important point. So you put up this tweet that says every influencer contacted by this company called Influenceable met the same criteria, supposedly MAGA aligned. This was all meant to manipulate their followers, which trust them for news and opinions, into siding with Big Soda. A grand total of 0 of them disclose that they were paid to push. And then your tweet goes on this, you know, push for Big Soda. So I think that's at the heart of it. Like if they tweeted, hey, I was paid $1,000 to promote people with food stamps drinking soda, but I'm going to tell you, I believe that. Would that have sat differently with people, do you think?

[Steve]

Let's see, the problem is not a single one of them actually believed what they were tweeting. That's why they ended up taking them down at the end of the day. And you know, some of them even issued retractions. Eric Dougherty actually came out and said, yep, it was dumb, I shouldn't have done it. Because, you know, essentially admitting that this wasn't what he believed. It's, it's one thing you Know, sometimes you get paid to post something that you genuinely wholeheartedly believe to begin with. And so, you know, it's a little bit more acceptable to accept a check for something like that. But then when you, when you're literally just. This is the definition of selling out. It's the definition of selling out. You know, floating this to your audience. And you know, it goes further with the Maha folks were particularly pissed off about it because, you know, they see it as, this is. I don't know if you ever read J.D. vance's book Hillbilly Elegy, where he would talk about these children with Mountain Dew mouth, you know, because they, they grew up on food stamps that were paying for Mountain Dew. And it, it just, these kids forever, you know, for the rest of their lives they live with these mouths that it looks like meth mouth, you know, so, so why are we subsidizing that? And then we have to subsidize the health, health insurance payouts or the health care costs from the federal government, Medicaid to the tune of even more tens and tens of billions of dollars a year to deal with the adverse side effects of subsidizing junk food. It's crazy.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, also the idea of promoting Donald Trump drinking Diet Coke, I mean, you want to talk about aspartame and how horrible that is, I mean, it's up to him. He can do whatever he wants with his body. Right, but with the money of like.

[Steve]

He'S paying for it.

[Clayton Morris]

Right, exactly. With his own Diet Coke button. But we have to promote this like, canard. It's, it's, it's just crazy. So, Nick, I'll get you out of here on this. So how many total influencers do you think that you were able to figure out were paid to push this story? And how many of them have now retracted it or deleted their posts?

[Steve]

About 7 out of 10 of them @ this point have retracted their posts. The other ones deleted it and then lied about it and said, no, I wasn't actually paid for that. It's like, oh yeah. So you used all of the same talking points. You used the link to an article that was in the influenceable's work order to you. Yeah, you're full of crap because this article wasn't like published in widespread anywhere else. It was only given to these influencers to post. So. And there are a lot of people, and I did call out some people that lied about, about it straight to everybody's faces. Those people can never be trusted. Again, just there. It's pretty Obvious who they are at this point.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, well, you can read through Nick's. Nick Sorter's timeline here and you can see if you want more details about these influencers supposed, you know, MAGA influencers who are taking money for this. You can read all of. All of Nick's coverage on this. So great job, Nick. Great to see you. Thank you so much for this. And I hope. I hope people learn a big lesson from this. Thank you, Nick.

[Steve]

Thank you, Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

Unbelievable. All right. I know. It's just so gross. And, you know, it's the same thing when you see all. It's like over the past few years, you see all these, like, Democrats posting the exact same post that they got from, like, dn, the DNC or whatever, like sort of super PAC gave them these talking points, you know, and they're all posting the same videos. And then, then everyone in the, like, the MAGA movies that's, like, furious about it, and then they're doing this exact same thing.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, not to mention that it's also illegal. It is literally a crime to not disclose sponsors.

[Clayton Morris]

Right, right. Under FTC guidelines. Right?

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

I mean, you have to disclose it. I mean, it's right there in the terms of service. It's crazy. Yeah, it's a great point. All right, well, we have more news to get to here. We're going to talk about the JFK files in a second. What's really in these JFK files? We've been wanting to have Larry Hancock on the show for months now, but we really wanted to wait until these files were released. And then on top of it, we get word from Javier Milie in, in Argentina that he wants to look at the files for the Nazis that escaped, including Hitler, left the, you know, 19, 1945 and actually escaped to Argentina and spent the last 20 years of their lives living out the. The glory days in Argentina. So now it seems like an era of transparency. But we're going to talk about these JFK files in a second. But first we want to tell you about one of our sponsors.

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[Clayton Morris]

So what's really in these JFK files now that we finally have this massive release? I mean most of the documents to my knowledge, unredacted. I mean thousands upon thousands of pages. Historians have been pouring through all of this. Someone who spent most of his life focused on this is Larry Hancock, a respected author, national security researcher, best known for his deep investigations in the assassination of President Kennedy. And I think what set sets Larry Hancock apart is his commitment to looking at the documented evidence here, the meticulous use of the declassified intelligence and these documents. And Larry joins us now to kind of go through these files. Larry, welcome to the show. Good to see you.

[Larry Hancock]

Well, thanks for having me on. It's a challenging time for document geeks, which we kind of consider ourselves to be as like, okay, what did we look at last week and what's it look like this week? Week?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I got to ask you that. So you've been studying this story for decades, and then suddenly you're met with this massive trove of documents. Where do you start and what sort of jumped out to you right away that maybe you didn't know and maybe our audience had no idea about?

[Larry Hancock]

One thing I think it's important to realize is that the JFK collection basically constituted by everything that the FBI, the CIA, the agencies turned over during the initial Kennedy assassination investigation, plus all of the inquiries that followed it. The Church Committee, the Rockefeller Committee, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and most recently in the 90s, the work of the Assassinations Records Review Board. So it's a collection, everything gathered together in one spot at the National Archives. But parts of it have been there for decades. It's not a new collection by itself. And when I was first scanning through a few nights ago, we have a tool that actually lets us look into a search and say, for this particular document, has it been released before? And by the way, how many times? And I was looking at documents that had been released 3, 4, 5 times before that I had written about. And the big challenge was, is anything unredacted now that we didn't see before, which generally, I have to say they had told us to a large extent what they had redacted were names of sources, names of operatives, sources themselves, identities, which unless you're really into this and you already know a lot of these people and you know a lot of context, text, it's not going to be too meaningful. The good news is if you do, then suddenly you can go, aha, I was waiting for that kryptonim. Or I was waiting for that identity for 30 years and now I can do something with it.

[Clayton Morris]

But did any of those jump out.

[Larry Hancock]

To you, seeing as a re release?

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, most of it's so. Most of it's a rerelease. Were there any aha moments though, like, oh my God, I've been waiting for this for 30 years?

[Larry Hancock]

Sure, there, there were a couple of documents, amazingly, that have been almost fully redacted. I think one, I would say it's important to realize that this is what we're seeing now is probably as important to historians as it is to JFK researchers. For example, one document that had been almost entirely redacted was a memo from Arthur Schlesinger, a major advisor to President Kennedy, about restructuring the CIA. Kennedy was not happy with the CIA's military operations after the Bay of Pigs, over the missile crisis, Just generally wondering if the CIA, if it was working like it should be working. He'd established a Separate intelligence directorate to consolidate information from the services. He was satisfied with that. And it's like, do I need to take this further? Well, we knew the memo had been written, but we had not seen it. Now that we can see really is an itemization of everything that the Kennedy administration understood was not going well with the CIA. What the CIA was doing contrary to State Department policies and literally kind of disconnecting covert operations, even covert political action from administration policy. And it's a very negative, negative report which you can understand the CIA probably would be, you know, happy to have that redacted forever. So we're seeing that sort of thing for very, very important, for context, not a smoking gun for the assassination. What we are seeing on the assassination is some interesting things about Lee Harvey Oswald. For example, there have been a lot of claims that Oswald was an agent for the CIA, an asset for the CIA. When he went to Russia he was working for the CIA. And one evening last week I'm looking at the document saying well, this is a CIA internal memorandum and they're really not sure how Oswald got into, into Russia through Helsinki. And they have questions about that. They have questions about how he got back with the Russian wife. And you're kind of going, well wait a minute. Clearly if they have all these questions still he's been and he's come back, it argues against that he was going over under their control task by the CIA.

[Clayton Morris]

Right, right, that's a great point. I guess we were sitting here thinking about what is the smoking gun here? So is there a smoking gun in any of this? I saw someone in our chat just said, let me sum it up for you. Here's who killed jfk. They posted here, they put Israel, Mossad and the CIA and the mob case closed. Closed. Like is it, is it that case closed?

[Larry Hancock]

Oh no, it's not case closed at all actually. What it is is case open in a way because what we know now, we've, we've invested some of us investigated, invested decades in looking at, at options and alternatives. And what we know by now, after all the work that's been done, looking at this collection is no legitimate investigation was ever made. Not by the Warren Commission, not initially. We know why it wasn't made. We know who gave the orders, how that happened. And we also know that especially the CIA and the FBI obstructed all the follow on investigations. And if you were to talk to people from the House Select Committee or the ARB who are still living, we'll tell you now, they know that too. So the good news is we've learned why we don't know what we should know if an investigation had been covered. Plus, we have leads, and that's important. And I think Representative Luna is doing something very important because we know the body that we've got now that we've unredacted it helps understand how to get outside that box. The JF collection as it sits now is like a box, and if you stay in it, you're going to be trapped in it forever. But now we have the leads and we know where the leads go to look for what should have been collected that wasn't. Things that could be brought in, things that could be investigated. But if you just closed it off now and said it's done, then we're done. But the good news from all of this is we know where to look. We're providing information to her on where to look. And I think we've learned enough that something productive could be done. There's a lot of things that should have been brought into this that were not. And now we know what they are. Are. So that's good news.

[Natalie Morris]

Can we start to rule things out, though? Because we know that the term conspiracy theory was born out of the government wanting us to not question their narrative, which tells us that their narrative of a single shooter. Can we just now declare that to be bs? Can we do that?

[Larry Hancock]

Absolutely. Dead. We know that even the war.

[Natalie Morris]

So they need to reshoot all the movies.

[Larry Hancock]

Yeah, we can. We can get that away.

[Clayton Morris]

Not single shooter. Not single shooter. And was. Did Oswald fire a gun? Was Oswald one of two, three. Do we have a number that you're kicking around in your research now that it's four, five, six people there that day?

[Larry Hancock]

Here's where I have draw a line as a historian, try to do historical work. You can't totally. You can rule out there's not the evidence to prove Oswald Lynn is the shooter. Shooter. We see that in the documents that have been collected. We see that even the Justice Department advised the Warren Commission not to publish a position that Oswald was a shooter because they couldn't defend it. And they just ignored him and went ahead and he was their advisor. What we're seeing now, it looks. The best definition I can give is two to three shooters. A paramilitary exercise by people that were trained. Trained very well. Proficient in infiltration, exfiltration. These were people that knew what they were doing. This is not a. A shooter contracted by the mob. It's just somebody goes in and takes a shot and makes it. It's Something that's organized and structured and comes out of a group, a clique, a working group that have been together probably at that point in time for three, four years in anti Castro operations trying to topple the Castro regime. And we actually, now that we've seen all the documents, have a good clue as to what triggered that. And these people were told that JFK was in November beginning back channel negotiations with Fidel Castro at his request, Castro's request to go neutral, get the Russians out, reach an accommodation with the US and unfortunately, when that word, as you can imagine, so critical to the parties that have been trying to kill Castro and overtow the regime for three, four years now, it was explosive. So to answer your question, we can definitively, I'm comfortable with saying we can definitively say that Oswald, Oswald didn't do it. Oswald was not directly involved. The actually the evidence in hand shows if he had been tried in court, it's very unlikely with a good defense attorney he could have been convicted considering all the problems we know about now. So we have to look towards an organized, structured, professional attack on the President for what you'd call strategic reasons. The personal reasons for some people, but strategic in regard to Kennedy's policies.

[Natalie Morris]

I am so frustrated. I know, I get that. I, I really appreciate that answer, but.

[Clayton Morris]

We have some big advancements, I think.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, yeah, no, I, I definitely appreciate the answer, but it, but then I want to ask you, well then who killed Oswald? But I think maybe we should table that, right?

[Clayton Morris]

No, no, I'm gonna not table it. I want to ask it because. Because what do these documents talk about? Jack Rubenstein, AKA Jack Ruby. How in the world was he there to shoot Oswald that day? Did we learn anything in the documents about Jacob Rubenstein?

[Larry Hancock]

No, we haven't learned anything in the new documents about him. But the shocking thing is we didn't need anything new. We know that the Warren Commission, even in the very beginning, had come across information about Ruby that was so critical that they refused to do what Ruby asked them to do. Ruby told Earl Warren in Dallas that if he would take him back to Washington D.C. where he would be safe and protected, he would tell them about the conspiracy Earl Warren refused to do so.

[Clayton Morris]

Right.

[Larry Hancock]

What we know is that Jack Ruby himself was connected to this clique of people. Ruby had been involved in Cuban activities since the Castro revolution. He was connected to one of these team members, Johnny Roselli, who had been trying and working with CI officers to kill Castro and overthrow regime for again 3, 4 years. Jack Ruby can be connected into the plot lot. And I, strangely enough, and this is really sad, that the only two unique Warren Commission controlled investigators other than the FBI, who they had to rely on, they could hire two people. They sent them to Dallas to investigate Jack Ruby, and they found connections that were so explosive that they were forced to resign. And when they did resign, they asked only one thing, and that was when you guys interviewed them. We want to be in the room because we've got the tough questions that need to be asked and they didn't call them back when they did the interview. So we, we don't really need anything new on Jack Ruby. We've kind of know where he's been coming from and what had to be avoided for decades.

[Natalie Morris]

Now I have a question. I was reading Rob Schneider's book, and he talks about the JFK assassination. And he, he says that there were trees, trees in the way that were removed after the assassination. And it pretended that they were never there. And those trees would have blocked the Lee Harvey Oswald viewpoint where they said he was. But I couldn't find any evidence about those trees. And so I figured you would know because I went looking for that and I was like, what's this about the trees? Is that true?

[Larry Hancock]

There are two things that get convoluted on the trees because there's two tree stories. Okay?

[Natalie Morris]

I want the true stories.

[Larry Hancock]

One is if, if Lee Harvey Oswald was shooting at the President, the most obvious shot is to shoot straight out the window looking down the street at the limo coming towards you. That would be straight. Okay, yeah, there's some trees there and there might be some. That's, that's the good shot to take. That shot wasn't taken. The shots were not taken until the car turned the corner, slowed down, and started down the grade on Elm Street. Okay? So that kind of gets confused sometimes. But the, the other trees, I think were there. There was a writer early on who started talking about trees that over. Were over by the grassy knoll that were not there afterwards and had been taken down. And that's not really true. That, that, that was kind of an urban rumor. So you got trees that you have to contend with in two places at this point in time. The shots that were taken on Elm street were in a very well defined kill zone. If you, if you were in the infantry and you were trained in how to do that's. That's where you would do it. Because you want to have multiple shooters. You can't risk.

[Clayton Morris]

Risk.

[Larry Hancock]

In all honesty, you can't risk not killing the President.

[Clayton Morris]

Speaking of the President. Let's talk about lbj, Larry. You know, we know the dirty, dirty stuff that LBJ was involved with over the years. We've covered here on this show extensively, the USS Liberty, the intentional killing of American sailors on the USS Liberty that Lyndon Johnson was fully aware of. So he's a dirty guy. Do these documents show him involved directly in any way with the assassination?

[Larry Hancock]

And again, they do, in a way. Okay, let's go back to the situation, because again, we shouldn't. This is the collection that was assembled, in essence, to support the Warren Commission report of a lone gunman. So I don't think we were expecting to find that. But what they do show is a couple of things. They do show that. That. Here's an example. When the Assassinations Records Review Board did its, its work in the 90s, after the stone movie and after all the, the interest in the assassination, the ARB called the autopsy doctor in Admiral Berkeley. Lots of issues with the autopsy. They asked him to show them the pictures of the entry wound that killed the President. Okay, that seems reasonable enough. They gave him the official photos, the X rays, and he said, well, I can't do it. They said, what? And there's nothing here. That's. I can't tell you that. And they said, well, this was a medical autopsy. You were in charge of it. You wrote the report even though three copies of the report were destroyed. Okay, we won't go into that. That's a separate question. You know, how can you not tell us that? And basically he just shook his head at them and said, good luck with finding out. Now. That right there tells you there's a problem. What goes along with that is purely anecdotal. And that's the fact that we know now this part's not anecdotal, that the autopsy directions on all the medical evidence were coming from the White House, from Lyndon Johnson, Johnson, Berkeley Evens went so far to show the ARB personnel the ring that Lyndon Johnson had given him as a reward for his work. You know, like, wait a minute. How blatant do you have to get? More, more importantly, and I think to step back something. It's kind of like your question about Jack Ruby. We have now known for years that the investigation of the assassination stopped in terms of conspiracy Friday night of the assassination with a series of telephone calls from Lyndon Johnson's office, which essentially told the police in Dallas, the Attorney General of Texas, that no charges would be filed that talked about a conspiracy, and if you had paperwork that talked about a conspiracy Tear it up. We know that actually Dallas had filed its initial charges of Lee Oswal was part of a conspiracy that was torn up and disappeared. We know that. After who? After Johnson talked to Hoover that evening and next morning, the next morning Hoover issued a directive to the entire FBI that said, you know, like yesterday evening we gave you a directive to do an open ended investigation. All sources, all possibilities, all people that might have been behind it. The next morning, Saturday morning after call with Johnson, Hoover's directive says this will be entirely focused on Lyndon Johnson. No more open ended investigation. If it's not a lead involving Oswald, we don't want to see it. And Sunday afternoon Hoover issued a directive that said the FBI would immediately produce a report showing that only Oswald had been involved. And the essentially the investigation was done. And we all know that's impossible. You know, it's just clean, so.

[Clayton Morris]

Right. Yeah.

[Larry Hancock]

It's too clean.

[Clayton Morris]

It's so clean. It's so that. Just keep it clean. Right. It's one person. We got him. He's dead. Move on. Let's move on. As a country. It's like the veil Vegas shooter, it's one guy. Turns out it's not. Just move on. Don't ask any questions, just move on. It's very convenient in that way. You know, Larry, I mean I could talk to you for hours about this and I'd love to have you back on. As we learn more and maybe more details are revealed about this. I guess people in the chat have been asking about Zabruder and I'll ask you about that. And I've got a question about Argentina here in a second. But Zapruder always like a shady character in all of this. Did we learn anything? Can you maybe paint a picture like him filming this, his involvement in this? And what are the documents now show in these files about Zapruder?

[Natalie Morris]

I don't know who Zapruder is. So can you ask a question?

[Clayton Morris]

Educate my lovely wife.

[Larry Hancock]

Mr. Zapruder actually had a firm in downtown Dallas. Actually his building was in the school in the right next to the Texas Schoolbook Depository, the Daltex building, which is right down at the street. And, and he decided that the story is he decided that he wanted to go see the motorcade which, okay, a lot of people did. He had a camera. He took his camera with them and gave us the closest film of the motorcade coming down the street, coming down Elm street, which is a critical film if you're going to do trajectory analysis. And again look into the possibility of a single Shooter, multiple shooters. So it kind of became the benchmark. Okay. And in any criminal investigation, of course, it would have been seized immediately by law enforcement and taken into custody and very tightly controlled. Unfortunately, in this case, it was not. Life magazine bought it that evening, bought rights to it. And the story from that point in time, I would say bifurcates. But it's worse than that because you've got multiple copies going to multiple places and you've got people describing things differently. The bottom line for the Zapruder thing, I think that people should appreciate is it was. It was not released other than through Life magazine, who showed it, printed a series of shots supposedly showing the. The fatal bullet. And for some reason, the most important film certainly in the history of the period. Whoever did the layout supposedly got the sequence of frames wrong. So they don't show you what you see when you really look in the movie. When you look at the movie, Chad.

[Natalie Morris]

Is pointing out, yeah, yeah.

[Larry Hancock]

Intuitively, there's no doubt that JFK is shot from the front. There's just his head snaps like this. You can have every physicist in the world in and come up with an explanation which they. It's showing the Zapruder film real time would have been disastrous to the Warren Commission. So it was held back. And what you had was Life magazine controlling it. And what you had eventually, insanely enough, enough decades down the road, is the US government paying the Zapruder family a horrible amount of money and still keeping it out of circulation. But if I, if I could just elaborate on that one thing. There are several other films, and when I talked about Representative Luna and the work that her committee could do, there are several films that were held back by the media companies that acquired them, NBC being one of them. If we really want to resolve some outstanding questions that have come up, including the fact of a person that's been talked about a lot as Lee Ivory Oswald, shown in front of the Schoolbook Depository at the time of the shooting, which needs to be put one way or the other. We need the originals of those films.

[Natalie Morris]

That they've been sitting on.

[Clayton Morris]

They've been sitting.

[Larry Hancock]

That's right.

[Clayton Morris]

So we've never. Are they on the Internet anywhere? Have we ever seen them?

[Larry Hancock]

We've seen second and third generation copies. What we need is the original. That takes us into Internet. You don't want to go into Internet.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay, that's.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie Morris]

Surprising, but not surprising.

[Clayton Morris]

Larry, we'll get you out of here on this. And I don't know if you have any knowledge of this at all. But yesterday we reported here what Javier Amelie, the, the head of Argentina, of course, is now sort of following a lot of moves on transparency there to release these Nazi documents in Argentina. All of the Nazis that moved to Argentina had set up a base of operations there during World War II. It was almost like another version of Germany in a lot of ways. The Third Reich had set up a major base of operations in Missiones and Bariloche and multiple locations in Argentina. It's widely reported that Hitler survived, did not shoot himself. I don't think anyone really believes that. I certainly don't. And the evidence supports that he went to Argentina and lived out his days into the 1960s. So these documents that Argentina is about to release, what are you hoping you'll see? Is there anything there that stands out to you that you're looking at as a historian?

[Larry Hancock]

Yeah, and interestingly enough, that's having been involved with way too many subjects over the decades, I suppose. Yeah. Very familiar with the so called rat line that took Nazis of all types, a lot of ss, but also a lot of scientists into Argentina. And I mean, amazingly, you find things like Argentina starting its own fusion nuclear program with Nazi scientists that had been working on atomic research in, in Germany. But the other thing you find is that the, the CIA, they had convinced themselves that a great number of these former Nazis from the intelligence community, from the ss, not just the scientists, we tend to think that they just brought the rocket scientist over, but they didn't. They brought a lot of intelligence people, but they didn't bring them directly from Europe. They, they kind of enabled them getting to Argentina and then they recruited them from Argentina into the U.S. and if you, if you really want the full story of what evolved with the intelligence network and, and to some extent why the intelligence network became so obsessed with communists operating, you know, immediately prior to the end of the war. A lot of that influence came from these Nazis who of course had been fighting communism as much as anything else. And they had a major influence inside the American intelligence community. It would be great to see exactly, exactly how those ties evolve. We know they're there, but again, the devil is always in the details. Who and when. Timing is especially critical.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I think a lot of people would like more information about Operation Paperclip and how many of the Nazis held really real positions of power inside the United States. Americans might be shocked to learn that. I hope we learn some of that in these documents. Larry, great to see you. The book is called the Oswald Puzzle. I know you're knee Deep in documents right now going through all of this. I hope you'll come back on the show with more revelations that we can talk about here on redacted. Thank you so much, Larry.

[Larry Hancock]

Would love to. Thanks for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

You bet. Thanks, Larry.

[Natalie Morris]

All right, bombshell there. NBC News has exculpatory evidence for Lee Harvey Oswald. Sat on it, never told us the truth. Okay. That's a major betrayal of the American people. And go ahead.

[Nick Sorter]

I think what you're describing is called journalism. And I don't. I wouldn't expect that out of any of the American media companies.

[Clayton Morris]

No, no, no.

[Natalie Morris]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

Not out of NBC for sure.

[Natalie Morris]

And that we can put the single shooter bit to rest. Okay. And it was not leave Lee Harvey Oswald. We're done with that now. We're putting that aside. And also, conspiracy theorists were right all along.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

So let us know what was revelatory for you and we'd love to hear it. That was amazing.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

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