DAY 6: The European Witch Craze 1 & 2 (ShortHand’s 13 Days of Halloween)

Summary

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RedHanded Podcast – DAY 6: The European Witch Craze 1 & 2

ShortHand’s 13 Days of Halloween | October 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this two-part ShortHand special for their 13 Days of Halloween, hosts Ash Kelly and Alina Urquhart tackle the fraught and terrifying history of the European witch craze. Spanning from ancient origins through to its disturbing peak in Europe and the British Isles, Ash and Alina peel back centuries of superstition, torture, and misogyny to reveal how witch hunts weren’t curious anomalies, but world-shaping panics—whose echoes remain in society today.

The first episode (Part 1) explores the origins and spread of witch hysteria across continental Europe, while the second (Part 2) examines how it crossed to the British Isles, the notorious witch trials in Scotland and England, and why the “witch” became almost exclusively synonymous with women.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ancient & Biblical Origins of Witch Belief

• Historical Roots (03:29, Alina): Witchcraft’s first mentions appear as early as 330 BC in Ancient Greece—with Thessaly as a hotbed of magic. The Old Testament warns against witches (the Witch of Endor; Exodus’s “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”).
• Social Function: Witches once served as local healers and soothsayers—“People might visit them for spells to increase their wealth, or concoct a love potion…” (04:54, Alina).
• Shift to Menace: By the 16th–17th centuries, the idea of witches morphed from neighborhood oddity to agents of Satan, threatening Christian civilization itself.

2. The Theological and Political Machine Behind Witch Hunts

• Church Policy Flips: For centuries, the Catholic Church dismissed witchcraft as superstition, but suddenly reversed course:
  “In just 200 years, the position was completely reversed and the Pope himself sent a decree encouraging witch hunters…” (07:50, Alina).
• Societal Anxiety: The Black Death and wars exacerbated distrust and scapegoating. The infamous inquisitions targeted “others”—in Spain, Jews were often scapegoated; in the rest of Europe, it was witches (08:48, Ash).

3. Key Figures, Texts, and Tools of Terror

• The Malleus Maleficarum: Authored by Heinrich Kramer, this “Hammer of Witches” gave step-by-step instructions for identifying and executing witches, and spread rapidly thanks to the printing press (10:21–11:31).
• Torture as Proof: Confessions extracted via hideous tortures (thumb screws, stretching racks, witch chairs, sleep deprivation) became the “evidence” for widespread witch networks (17:34–19:37).
• Quotable Moment – The circularity of it all:

  “If you go looking for the devil, you’ll find him.”
  (15:53, Ash)

4. The Witch Craze Explodes: Mass Hysteria and Its Logic

• Religious Friction Fans Flames: Rivalries between Catholics and Protestants exploded into mutual accusations and mass executions—particularly in Germany and France. “Both sides took the existence of witches as an incontrovertible fact.” (19:37, Alina)
• Justice Perverted: Judges who tried for leniency found themselves accused, tortured, and executed—exemplifying the self-devouring nature of the panic (22:57, Alina).
• Scale of Madness: European witch trials killed thousands—dwarfing the infamous Salem events (21:13, Ash).

5. Witch Mania in the British Isles

• Arrival in Scotland: The North Berwick trials (1590) kicked off the British version of the craze, purportedly as witches tried to conjure a storm to drown King James VI (30:20–32:22).
• King’s Obsession: King James was superstitious and propagandized the alleged plots against him, even writing Daemonology, which influenced Shakespeare’s “Macbeth” (33:56, Alina).
• Torture-Driven Testimonies: “Gillis Duncan gave over a hundred names and every single one of them were hunted down and tortured.” (36:17, Ash)

6. Gender, Societal Upheaval, and Witch Prosecution

• Why So Many Women?:
  • Economic and social shifts left many women (spinsters, widows) vulnerable and stigmatized.
  • “Up to 40% of the women under 44 were unmarried. That is staggering.” (48:47, Alina)
• Symbols of Domesticity: Household items—broomsticks, cooking pots, pets—became evidence of witchcraft, reinforcing suspicion toward women (49:22, Ash).
• International Differences: In places like Normandy, Estonia, and Iceland, men sometimes predominated among witch victims—showcasing local variations in the logic of persecution (47:12, Ash).

7. Matthew Hopkins: The Witchfinder General

• Hopkins’s Reign: Exploited the chaos of civil war for profit, his “swimming test” ensuring that the innocent died as surely as the “guilty.”

  “If they drowned, they were innocent but dead. If they floated, they were treated as witches and killed anyway.” (54:13, Alina)

• Profiting from Panic: He made over a thousand pounds while sending 300 Englishwomen to their deaths (55:05, Ash).

8. The End (and Endurance) of the Witch Craze

• Gradual Decline: Witch trials waned as social order stabilized, first in Protestant lands, then across Europe (56:15, Alina).
• Legacy of Conspiracy Theories:

  “Stories of clandestine evil powers gathering in groups to worship Satan, eat babies and use their powers to disrupt the status quo have lasted throughout the centuries.” (56:49, Alina)

• Modern Parallels: The hosts draw sharp lines to present-day moral panics like McCarthyism and QAnon:

  “We haven’t evolved at all since this was happening.” (58:22, Ash)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the toxicity of torture-based confessions:

“If you go looking for the devil, you’ll find him.”
— Ash Kelly (15:53)

On mass hysteria’s self-perpetuation:

“Every witch that was interrogated would, under threat of torture, reveal the names of 15 or 16 other witches...”
— Alina Urquhart (26:47)

On fabricated satanic orgies:

“The witch’s mass includes kissing a goat on the bum hole.”
— Alina Urquhart (28:45)

On the gendered roots of witch prosecutions:

“All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women.”
— Quoting Malleus Maleficarum (46:54, Alina)

On the role of the printing press:

“...the printing press did directly, indirectly lead to thousands of people being killed. And there is an interesting quote that these days we have a new technological advancement coming into society on the level of the printing press almost every few months. And how we are not adequately equipped… to not let that lead to more and more panic and craziness.”
— Ash Kelly (58:22)

On the continuing relevance of witch hunts:

“You can sort of scoff and look at these people and be like, oh my God, weren’t they stupid? But like, we haven’t evolved at all since this was happening.”
— Ash Kelly (58:22)

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• Ancient Witch Beliefs & First Mentions: 03:29–05:34
• Church Attitudes & The Canon Episcopi: 07:10–08:12
• Black Death & Social Upheaval: 08:12–09:17
• Papal Decrees & The Malleus Maleficarum: 09:17–11:31
• Details of Torture Methods: 17:34–19:37
• Catholic vs Protestant Witchcraft Wars: 19:37–22:25
• Notorious German Witch Trials: 22:57–25:05
• North Berwick Witch Trials (Scotland): 30:20–33:56
• King James, Demonology & English Witchcraft: 33:56–39:15
• Witch Sabbaths & Ritual Myths: 39:15–44:01
• Women as Targets & Social Context: 47:12–50:15
• Matthew Hopkins & English Witch Mania: 50:15–55:05
• The End of the Witch Craze & Modern Parallels: 56:15–59:15

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Tone & Style

Ash and Alina balance thorough historical analysis, dark humor, and frank reminders of the brutality involved. Their conversational, sometimes irreverent style (“kissing a goat on the bum hole”; “This is all just Bible fanfiction!”) makes the grim facts digestible without sugarcoating the horror.

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Final Reflections

The European Witch Craze, as dissected by RedHanded, was driven by religious, social, and gendered anxieties, weaponized by those in power and perpetuated by new technology (the printing press). The hosts connect historical panic to present conspiracies, warning that the logic of the witch hunt is never far from the surface.

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Summary by RedHanded Podcast Summarizer

Transcript

[Ash Kelly]

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[Alina Urquhart]

Usually every single week over on Amazon Music, we release brand new episodes of our bite sized sister show Shorthand. It's like Red Handed's Little Friend, where we delve into all sorts of fascinating topics from hell in different religions, Haitian voodoo, the death of Edgar Allan Poe, Cotard syndrome, Japan, suicide forest, and so much more.

[Ash Kelly]

And this Halloween, from the 19th of October to the 31st of October, we are going to be pulling out 13 of our most terrifying episodes of shorthand to drop straight into your red handed feed every single day.

[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

Enjoy.

[Alina Urquhart]

Hello, Hello. Coming to you not live from the podcast studios in Dublin. Welcome to this week's shorthand, which is the first of possibly many two partners. Yes, because even though the whole conceit of this show is short topics, this one was too big. So this is Witchcraft part one.

[Ash Kelly]

We're on tour, that's why we're recording in Dublin. And it is absolutely pissing it down. Outside on the walk here, some coachman decided it would be very fun to just drive through a puddle directly onto me in a comedic scene.

[Alina Urquhart]

I tried to warn you. It was one of those things that you watch like in slow motion.

[Ash Kelly]

I was just like, okay, directions need to look at. Directions need to stop my phone getting too wet. Oh no, now I'm soaking.

[Alina Urquhart]

And I'm gonna get trench foot and.

[Ash Kelly]

One foot because my sock and my trainer are absolutely soaking.

[Alina Urquhart]

Oh no.

[Ash Kelly]

And much to the horror of anybody else in the building, I am now sat here baref.

[Alina Urquhart]

That's okay.

[Ash Kelly]

So yes, ignoring the mild damp discomfort that I'm in, it's going to be great because we're going to talk about witches.

[Alina Urquhart]

Today, belief in witches dates back for at least 2,000 years. The first mention of witchcraft that we know about was by the Ancient Greeks in 330 BC in the region of Thessaly, which is the classical home of ancient witches. Socrates mentions the Thessalian enchantresses who bring down the moon from heaven at risk of their own perdition. The Romans had witches too, and there were even a few mentions of them in the bike ball. The Old Testament features the story of the witch of Endor who advised King Saul before battle in the first book of Samuel. And the book of Exodus features the infamous command, thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. For thousands of years, witches have been known as individual sorcerers who used their powers for specific purposes. They can affect the weather. People might visit them for spells to increase their wealth, or concoct a love potion to attract a prospective lover, or sometimes to commune with the spirits of the recently dead.

[Ash Kelly]

Mostly, the tricks of witches belong to the everyday and had Little effect on the rest of the world. But in the 16th and 17th century, Europe was gripped by a new idea. Witches became more than local soothsayers. They were part of an organized demonic network in league with the devil himself, A negative supernatural force directly opposed to the kingdom of heaven. One that threatened to cloud the whole world in evil and condemn all people to eternal suffering and help. So yeah, they're going big, the witches. They're not just fucking about with a bad crop, bad harvest in a small town, they're like all of you going to hell.

[Alina Urquhart]

Yeah, well, they're going political is what they're doing.

[Ash Kelly]

So this was a centuries long war waged by kings, popes and the greatest thinkers of the time against the Prince of darkness himself to stop the march of evil. More than 200,000 people were executed across Europe for the crime of witchcraft. Most of Europe's suspected witches were violently tortured for days on end to extract confessions and expose more dark agents across the continent.

[Alina Urquhart]

I was listening to a podcast about witches the other day and obviously, like in western tradition, the idea of a witch is like haggard old crone, and it's all to do with fertility because after menopause women are useless to society. So then they become these wise women. And that's why our idea of witches is always old and haggard.

[Ash Kelly]

That's interesting. I guess there's so many theories I'm sure that we'll get into as to why the witch hunts across Europe happened. I'll save it for then.

[Alina Urquhart]

Good, because we're getting ahead of ourselves. Here is this week's shorthand for you. Point 1. First, it's important to say that this isn't a case of people believing weird shit. In the past o times, Christianity, which had taken root across Europe, saw itself as the great civilizer of nations. And for a while it had no time for old pagan superstitions. It just nicked all of their holidays. So no one killed themselves in the winter. In the 9th century, the Pope released the canon Episcopi, which set in stone the Church's renunciation of witches and all of their powers. And for centuries, the Church's top brass was spreading the word that pre existing pagan beliefs, including werewolves, pixies, folk healing and witchcraft were unchristian and even heretical. And this all continued into the 11th and 12th centuries. But in just 200 years, the position was completely reversed and the Pope himself sent a decree encouraging witch hunters to tackle this new demonic menace.

[Ash Kelly]

How? Well, in the 14th century things were not pretty. Can you imagine living through A deadly pandemic, a raging war over disputed land, and intolerance and introversion spreading everywhere. Yeah, okay, well, us too. But this was way worse. The Black Death had wiped out between 30 and 60% of the whole population of Europe. And the Hundred Years War hadn't helped. And it all resulted in a huge demographic shift. Newly multiracial societies and sensitive borders between different communities. And that led to inquisitions.

[Alina Urquhart]

Hooray.

[Ash Kelly]

And those were Christian movements through every corner of the continent, working to suppress heresy south of the Pyrenees. The Spanish Inquisition chose Jewish and North African immigrants as its scapegoats of social nonconformity. There they believed that the Black Death had been the result of Jewish people poisoning the wells and hundreds were burned. But the rest of Christian Europe chose the witch.

[Alina Urquhart]

In the late 15th century, a Dominican friar called Henrik Kramer wanted to go and hunt witches in the Rhineland. And these days that is all Western Germany. And a side note, most of the country names we're going to use were not what they were called at the time. We are talking about a lot of Central Europe was a part of the Holy Roman Empire until 1806. But to keep it simple, we're just going to say their modern day equivalents because you can't just be like so in one bit of the Holy Roman Empire and then another bit. So we're going to use the words that we know. So Cramer wanted to go witch bashing and he went to the Pope himself for permission. By then, changing attitudes in the church had led to superstition and blame. And in 1484, to get the Dominicans off his back, Pope Innocent VIII published an official decree on behalf of the Catholic Church called Service.

[Ash Kelly]

God's fuck sake.

[Alina Urquhart]

Sumis desiderantes effectibus.

[Ash Kelly]

Nailed it.

[Alina Urquhart]

Thank you. Crushing it.

[Ash Kelly]

And this described the terrifying spread of witchcraft through Germany and called on Heinrich Kramer and his other inquisitor, Jakob Sprenger, to go and sort it all out. So they set off across western Germany on their Holy crusade. And based on their experiences, Kramer wrote maybe the most influential book ever written on the occult, the Malleus Maleficarum or Hammer of the Witches. It's basically a beginner's guide to identifying witches, proving their guilt and destroying them. It consolidated all of the superstitions into one book. On the first page, they reprinted the papal decree in its entirety, giving it a legitimacy beyond the doubt of any God fearing Christian. The book also suggested torture as a means to extract confessions and death as the only solution. And it told authorities that if they didn't assist in the hunt, then they were a part of the problem. This was huge and word spread quickly across Europe.

[Alina Urquhart]

This was all shortly after the invention of the world changing printing press and the book soon reached the mountainous regions. The areas around the Alps and the Pyrenees are where the first rumblings of the real witch craze kicked off. And there's good reason for that. Mountains are obviously natural borders and the people that lived on them were less tied to the religion of their state. Plus, up in the more rural, hard to reach places, minds can be hard to change. They hadn't completely escaped the inquisitors, but they did tend to lapse more easily back into pagan rituals and beliefs, and those tenacious habits of thought drove the missionaries bonkers, so witchcraft became heresy. The Dominican inquisitors saw social pressure bubbling and they capitalized on it to spread a hatred of witches throughout Europe. And they wrote mythology to prove.

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[Ash Kelly]

So where did all that information come from? Details of the kingdom of Heaven are all laid out in the book of Revelation. But the Bible doesn't say much at all about the devil's own realm, not to mention his agents of evil on earth.

[Alina Urquhart]

I wrote an essay at university on the appearance of heaven and hell and it's all to do with this. It's not in the Bible at all. The only thing that's in the Bible is the Jewish afterlife, which is neither heaven nor hell. It's just sort of like Gray.

[Ash Kelly]

But the Malleus was different. It was full of intricate details of witches, including their physical features, their rituals, and all the sinful ins and outs of demonic orgies. Now we'll go into all the depraved stuff that goes down at a witches Sabbath next week. But to answer the question of how one Dominican friar knew all that, you can probably guess it was mostly all extracted by confession. And once again we'll go back to that old chestnut that we love to brush off here at Red Handed and on shorthand.

[Alina Urquhart]

Shiny, shiny chestnut.

[Ash Kelly]

Shiny chestnut. It's been rubbed so much it's a mere nub of a chestnut by now. But it goes a little something like this. If you go looking for the devil, you'll find him. And people at the time believed in strict good and evil, so they figured that there must be a whole dark system equivalent to the kingdom of God. Makes sense. So each confession was just another piece of the puzzle. And as for why they saw so much consistency in those answers? Well, firstly they asked very similar, very leading questions. And secondly, they extracted those confessions through torture.

[Alina Urquhart]

And once again, the Pope was all over it. In 1468, Pope Paul III declared witchcraft to be crimin exceptum, which essentially removed all of the restrictions around torture. And it has been argued that those relaxed Rules from the Big man were a huge factor in the spread of the craze. Because physical evidence was so hard to find, inquisitors had to find proof where they could. Everything you're about to hear could and was used to identify witches. The inability to shed tears. So anyone on antidepressants, a patch of skin that didn't bleed, A wart which was obviously used to suckle their familiar. The tendency to look down when accused, or being old, ugly or stinky. They could all be used as reasons for torture. And I know why you're here. You want to know what that torture is? Well, we thought you'd never ask. Over to the executioner.

[Ash Kelly]

The gray Silen was what they called thumb screws, which I'm sure you all know, slowly crushed the tips of fingers and toes in a vise. The Scots gave it the way too cute name of the Pennywinkies, which is in some ways even more sinister because it's like. It's more scary. It's like, get the Pennywinkies and everybody knows what they're talking about. You're gonna destroy your fingers and your toes.

[Alina Urquhart]

Yeah, the Scott's fucking full of it. Do you know what a poppet is?

[Ash Kelly]

A poppet? Yeah.

[Alina Urquhart]

So when you call someone poppet.

[Ash Kelly]

No. All I'm thinking is in Brady and Myra Hindley's dog, was that called poppet?

[Alina Urquhart]

I think it was called poppet. Voodoo dolls, essentially. Like a Celtic version.

[Ash Kelly]

Creepy. Right, the next one, the eshel, or ladder, was a stretching rack to which they could also add ropes around the arms and legs and slowly tighten to snap the limbs. The lift pulled the arms violently behind the back. And the witch chair, or ram, was a set of spikes heated from below that suspects would be forced to sit on. Then you've got the leg screw, or Spanish boot. And this was all the rage in Germany and Scotland. The device was fitted around the foot and the calf of the suspected witch and squeezed until the shin bone shattered. And this has been described as the most severe and cruel pain in the world. And then you've got the bed of nails, which more or less speaks for itself. That brings us on to maybe the most widely used and effective form of torture, which used no cruel equipment at all. And it was called tormentum insomnia, which I'm sure the Sharpit among you will already have guessed stands for sleep deprivation. And this would go on for days on end. And some that still insisted they weren't witches after hours on the rack would eventually cave.

[Alina Urquhart]

So the witch craze was mostly kicked off by Dominican inquisitors who were building on the atmosphere of social unrest and wanting to wipe pagan rituals out in Europe. But if Christians vs. Pagans kicked it off, it was Protestants vs. Catholics that made it into a bona fide centuries long mania. What a surprise when Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of a church in 1517. It started the split of the church into Protestantism and Catholicism. We don't have much time to go into the differences for now, but the Reformation and its sequel, the Counter Reformation, was an especially bloody part of European history, mostly because each side was absolutely convinced that they were fighting in the Lord's name and the opposition represented the devil himself. Similar thing happened in the Crusades and both sides took the existence of witches as an incontrovertible fact. And celsipries. The areas of Europe with the most Catholic versus Protestant friction also had the most reports of witchcraft. In England, it was Essex and Lancashire, where Catholicism ran deep and Puritans did not fuck around, giving rise to our own witch finder General. But that is a story for next week. In France, the whole of the southern region was declared to be teeming with demonic witches. And in the north, Toulouse became the capital of witch burnings. A French law was written that said children who were said to have attended attended the witches mass with their mothers were flogged in front of the fire upon which their mums were burned.

[Ash Kelly]

In Germany, the Protestant war against witchcraft was particularly savage. But the Catholic revenge was even worse. The Prince Abbot of Fulda, Balthasar von Durbach, had been driven out by Protestants. So when he returned, he was pissed. So he gave his minister, Balthasar Ross, the name Malefitzmeister or witchmaster, and gave him pretty much carte blanche to hunt and execute as many witches as he could. For increasing rewards. The witchmaster came up with a load of imaginative new torture methods. And in three years, he sent more than 250 people to the gallows. And I think that the Salem witch trials that happened in my least favorite place to say Massachusetts, gets a lot of attention when people are talking about witches and the history of witches. But this is a good time to remind everybody that in Europe we were fucking mad for it. We were burning people, hanging people, torturing people left, right and centre. People died by the thousands here at the Salem witch trials. A grand total of 19 people were killed.

[Alina Urquhart]

Yeah. I often wonder if we would talk about it at all if the Crucible had never been written. Hmm.

[Ash Kelly]

It's interesting I think it is an interesting, like, study of a microcosm of how witch accusations can blow up quickly. Because it happened within this very small community. It happened very quickly and it died out just as quickly. It was over in a matter of months. It really didn't go on for that long because people were like, what the fuck are we doing? And they really regretted it as soon as it had happened. But in Europe, it went on for fucking years.

[Alina Urquhart]

Over in Germany, Archbishop Elector Johann von Schoenberg dedicated his whole reign to rooting out dissenters. First he went after the Protestants, then he went after the Jews, and then finally he went after the witches. And this campaign swept the region. In six years, across 22 villages in Germany, 368 witches were burned alive in the year 1585. Two villages were left with only one female inhabitant apiece. One of the court's chief judge, Dietrich Flade. When he spotted that people of noble birth were starting to crop up amongst the accused, he was a lot more lenient when it came to their punishment. And if there's one thing von Schoenberg hated, it's leniency. The judge was immediately accused of witchcraft himself and was subjected to hours of torture until he confessed to his heresy. And then he was strangled and burnt to a crisp. And that meant that judges all over stopped being lenient and the main executioner of that area of Germany became a big man on campus and bought himself an expensive horse and strutted around in silver and gold clothes, which I imagine is a new look for an executioner.

[Ash Kelly]

Well, they were very wealthy often because they were doing a job that nobody wanted to do. And it became like big dynasties of executioners because typically their children weren't able to get any other jobs and they married within other executioner communities and they kind of just hoarded a lot of their wealth because nobody else wanted to enter their families.

[Alina Urquhart]

So they had no one to go to the pub with, they had no.

[Ash Kelly]

One to hang out with, so they just had a lot of money. But let's continue with all of the horrible witch burnings. So the Prince of Wurzburg took it even further in his eight year reign. Eight years, 900 people was sentenced to death for witchcraft. 19 Catholic priests, his own nephew and a group of seven year old children that he claimed had had intercourse with the devil. You do have to wonder, like, how bored were these people?

[Alina Urquhart]

I mean, there wasn't that much going on.

[Ash Kelly]

No, they're like, we've got to entertain ourselves somehow.

[Alina Urquhart]

Church only takes up one day of the week.

[Ash Kelly]

And they're like, let's burn witches the rest of the time. And that brings us on to last, but by no means least, the self styled witch bishop, Prince Johann Georg Fuchs von Dornheim.

[Alina Urquhart]

Yikes.

[Ash Kelly]

Yep. And he built his own dedicated witch house in the garden, complete with his own torture chamber and Bible pages nailed to the wall. Everyone back then was a serial killer. Like, this is the most serial killer shit you're ever gonna hear. And it was all state sanctioned as one of his officials, Johannes Julius, after hours of unbearable pain, confessed that he had renounced God and was in cahoots with the Prince of Darkness himself. He also named for good measure 27 colleagues that he had seen at the witches Sabbath. And this is the thing, when they're being tortured, it's not just to be like, admit that you've been doing it, admit that you're a witch. They're also like, give us as many names as you can while you can withstand the level of torture that we're putting you through. But before our friend here, Julius, was burnt, he smuggled a note out of the witch house to his daughter Veronica. And this is what it My dearest child, you have here all my acts and confessions for which I must die. It is all a falsehood, an invention, so help me God. They never cease to torture until one says something. If God sends no means of bringing the truth to light, our whole kindred will be burned.

[Alina Urquhart]

By 1620, the mania had reached fever pitch. Killings had broken all previous records. Lawyers, judges and members of the clergy were routinely being burnt at the stake. This hysteria was built on the idea that the witches of Europe were building a bigger army than anyone could possibly imagine. And it had to be obliterated. Every witch that was interrogated would, under threat of torture, reveal the names of 15 or 16 other witches in the community, or perhaps in the next village over. And anyone showing a shred of doubt and disbelief would be put to death. And as it got bigger and bigger and more out of control, the massive scale brutality of the whole thing finally prompted some people to start asking questions. And we mentioned the infamous Wurzburg witch trials a bit earlier on, where the court's chief confessor, Friedrich Spee, sent hundreds of suspected witches to the stake, which actually traumatised him so deeply that his hair turned prematurely white. It's dramatic, Friedrich. And all too late, he realized all the confessions that he had seen extracted under torture had obviously all been false.

[Ash Kelly]

In 1631, he even wrote a book, Courtio Criminalis, and secretly distributed it he didn't even doubt the existence of witches. But he wrote that all Germany smokes everywhere with bonfires which obscure the light. And that through the whole great persecution he had never actually seen any witchcraft with his own eyes. Like we said, the book was secretly spread far and wide. And those that read it wrote more about the excesses of torture and brutality in drawing out confessions. Now we'd love to say that everyone read it and just changed their mind, but not quite. The witchcraft stayed a solid part of intellectual, religious and everyday social life throughout the whole 17th century.

[Alina Urquhart]

And that is only half the story. To hear how the fear and violence spread through Scotland and England via a demonic storm conjured to drown the King himself. And to hear how 19 year old Matthew Hopkins became the self styled Witchfinder General responsible for more executions than anyone in the previous century. And to understand why it was women that took the brunt of the violence. And to hear the sordid details of what was believed to go down on the witches dark Sabbaths. I'll give you a breadcrumb spoiler to satiate your thirst for next week. The witch's mass includes kissing a goat on the bum hole. And we'll tell you all about that next week when you come back to our next dark gathering next Tuesdays. Red handed colon shorthand.

[Ash Kelly]

Bye.

[Alina Urquhart]

Hello, hello and welcome to the second part of the first ever two part show. We are coming to you from the passed. We are still in Dublin. By the time you listen to this our tour will be over and we will be sad. We are currently still on the road.

[Ash Kelly]

Having a great time. I'm still damp, but that's okay because you're not here to listen to me talk about that. You're here to listen to me talk about witches.

[Alina Urquhart]

Exactly. Last week we told you how witch hunting mania spread across mainland Europe. But how did it get to the British Isles? What did they believe went down at those satanic gatherings? Why did women make up 90% of those persecuted for sorcery in England? And what is the legacy of witch hunting today? Here is the shorthand, Part 2.

[Ash Kelly]

For generations in England and Scotland, the state sanctioned killing of anyone suspected of demonic activity thrived. Thousands were tortured and executed. And everyone from the village preacher to the king of the realm was eventually involved in sniffing them out. But for a while, England resisted. It all began north of the border in North Berwick, Scotland in the year 1590. Word spread of a gathering in the old Kirk of St. Andrew. It was a witches sabbath on a rocky outcrop that jutted into the cold North Sea, a group of witches were said to have gathered. Apparently they drank flagons of wine and they all sang with one voice and the devil himself was in attendance. Soon they began to concoct dangerous spells. They took a cat, christened it, and tied to it, dismembered parts of a dead man.

[Alina Urquhart]

He's not very busy, the devil, is he?

[Ash Kelly]

No.

[Alina Urquhart]

Seems to be available for all of these.

[Ash Kelly]

Sounds like a good party though. He's like, I'll be there. But also, how are you tying dismembered parts of a dead man to a cat? I guess we don't know how big these parts are.

[Alina Urquhart]

I don't know, maybe they chop the cat up too.

[Ash Kelly]

But what they did do is they whispered a spell and then threw this cat man concoction off the cliffs into the waves. And according to a pamphlet from the time, this is what it said, there did arise such a tempest in the sea as a greater have not been seen. And apparently all of this cat killing, man chopping up, wine drinking, devil hanging out business was all a plot to kill James vi, King of Scotland, who had been returning by boat from Denmark. James ship was pummeled on all sides by a violent storm and water started gushing into the ship, but James miraculously survived.

[Alina Urquhart]

This story was told in a pamphlet called News From Scotland and it was distributed far and wide by, of course, King James himself. The story was accompanied by pictures of witches stirring a cauldron and a goat legged devil preaching from a pulpit. James was deeply superstitious and considered himself an authority on witchcraft. He even wrote a book on the subject, demonology in 1587, which actually provided some of the background characterisations for the witches in Macbeth, which is a good fact. The Scottish Witchcraft act had already been in place for decades, making the practice a capital offence. And that act provided a legal framework for the prosecution of witches. Suspected witches were tried in the courts and sentenced to death. King James had heard from Europe that the witch's numbers were fast growing and considered them to be a very real and serious threat to his kingdom's stability. And James wanted to be the figurehead of a strong and stable Brexit at the time of huge religious upheaval and social change. He'd been the King of Scotland since he was 13 months old and at 24 he had his eye on the English throne. Elizabeth I of England was getting on a bit and she had no children and he was her cousin, so he thought he better positioned himself as a worthy successor, which is why he printed and distributed all of the pamphlets.

[Ash Kelly]

That'll do it. So why had James been traveling back from Denmark?

[Alina Urquhart]

Well, he's Hamlet.

[Ash Kelly]

He's Hamlet. And he had gone there to meet the 14 year old Anne of Denmark, who he had chosen to be his queen. But he came back with a lot more than just his child bride. If you listened last week, then you'll know how manic the witchcrace had grown in Europe by the end of the 16th century. Hundreds were being executed. And while he was there, at Cromer Castle near Copenhagen, two witches were arrested and put to death for conjuring the storms that James had met on his way there. And when the second storm that almost killed him on the way back happened, James returned even more fired up with righteous anger. It must be more witches. In November 1590, David Seton, the deputy Bailiff of Trent, grew suspicious of his young housemaid, Gillis Duncan. He said that she'd acquired healing powers and had been slipping out at night and was sure that witchcraft was the only explanation. So he, with a few others, tortured the young woman. They used thumb screws to crush the flesh and bones on her fingers and tightened a rope around her face until her skull almost fractured. But still, Gillis Duncan would not confess.

[Alina Urquhart]

So they searched her body for the devil's mark, which is a mark on the skin that's less sensitive than the rest of it. The idea is that it's where the devil had touched her when they sealed their bargain and they found a spot on her neck. She confessed. She said that she'd gone to a town where a witch was present and danced with her, but in an evil way. And that was the first recorded instance of a Scottish witch confessing to being in league with the devil. Gillis was immediately taken to Tolbooth prison in Edinburgh, where more confessions were drawn. Now, she told everyone that she was part of a coven who, with another coven from Copenhagen, had attempted to destroy the King's ship. Gillis Duncan gave over a hundred names and every single one of them were hunted down and tortured.

[Ash Kelly]

I cannot believe that somebody back then knew 100 people.

[Alina Urquhart]

I don't know A hundred people? No.

[Ash Kelly]

Could you give a hundred names? No.

[Alina Urquhart]

Gillis was held alone in prison for a year before she was burned at the stake. One of the names that she gave was Agnes Sampson. Records show that she was a Grace wife, which is essentially a midwife, and was also known as the Wise Wife of Keith. So Agnes seems to be some sort of folk healer, a wise woman who might use charms, amulets, potions to protect townsfolk, rid people of evil spirits, safely deliver babies. How dare she? And these weren't uncommon things to be doing. These figures were only concerned with smaller local problems. Folk beliefs, along with fairies and elves, coexisted for centuries with a religious belief in God. But under this new campaign for Christian values, folk powers took on a new sinister dimension.

[Ash Kelly]

And now the King himself got involved. The people of Scotland were big into the divine rights of kings and believed that if witches weren't punished, God might punish the country with famine, plague, pestilence and losses in battle.

[Alina Urquhart]

The divine right of kings. For maybe, if you haven't heard that before, it is a very British Isles thing. It means the King is appointed by God and therefore anything the King says is also God.

[Ash Kelly]

So the Scottish church was in the hands of the radical Protestant reformer, John Knox. He believed in a new kind of religious puritanism and wanted to harshly crack down on things that he saw as frivolous and ungodly. Things like singing, dancing, drinking, fornication, all the fun stuff. So just weeks after the alleged gathering in North Berwick, Agnes was arrested and accused of being the coven's most senior witch. She was taken to Edinburgh and she found herself face to face with King James himself. Reports say that at first he was sceptical that Agnes was the witch she had confessed to be. But when she leaned over and whispered to him the words that Anne had said to him on their wedding night, he was convinced, he was now sure, that there was an international satanic conspiracy out to kill him. Under even more torture, Agnes filled in more details of the gathering. She had her head shaven and her head crushed with the rope. She only confessed, though, when they found the devil's mark on her crotch. She was then subjected to more hours of sexual torture and later burned. 59 people were eventually killed in relation to the supposed gathering at Berwick, and it was the first large scale witch trial in the British Isles and served as a blueprint for the next two centuries of massacre.

[Alina Urquhart]

When Elizabeth I died in 1603, King James did become the King of England and the scale of the witch trials south of the border suddenly exploded. Parliament passed a new witchcraft statute which made witchcraft a capital offence, which had already been in Scotland for some time. Eight years later, 10 women were hanged in Pendle for witchcraft. Four years after that, another nine were killed in Leicester. Suddenly, witches were being found in every town and every time they confessed, they would reveal more and more names of Arthurs who they claimed to be members of their coven, or people that they had Seen at the witches Sabbath. At these Sabbaths, women would gather in cemeteries in the dark hours between Friday and Saturday in a sort of reverse communion to mock the Christian faith, which is why tabernacles have locks on. And apparently these witches would spit on the Bible, curse the cross, and their demon paramours would turn up and join in. The devil would appear at every single one because he had nothing better to do. And sometimes he would appear as a big black bearded man, sometimes as a stinky little goat, and occasionally he would show up as a toad, depending on how he felt that day, according to the Malleus quote. And the devil appears to them in the assumed body of a man and urges them to keep faith with him. That means sex, by the way, promising them worldly prosperity and length of life.

[Ash Kelly]

Yeah, it's like that great line from the witch film that came out a couple of years ago. It's like Black Philip talks to the girl in it and he's like, would thou likest to live deliciously? That's what he's promising them. I'll give you a way better life if you just do evil stuff. That's what people are accusing them of.

[Alina Urquhart]

And apparently the witches would take it in turns to kiss the goat devil man. Oh, if he was a toad, they would kiss him on his toady mouth. And if he was a goat, they would kiss him right on the bumhole. Goats also have mouths like. I don't. I'm not questioning it. Moving on. And then after they'd kissed loads of bum holes, they would dance around the devil for a while and soon enough it would all descend into a massive mad orgy.

[Mr. Ballin]

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[Alina Urquhart]

Are we really safe? Is our water safe? You destroyed our tap.

[Mr. Ballin]

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[Ash Kelly]

We call things accidents. There is no accident.

[Alina Urquhart]

This was 100% preventable.

[Mr. Ballin]

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[Ash Kelly]

Then when everyone was done, they'd have a great feast, either of turnips, which for some reason was mocking to God. I mean, this is just like a great representation of how fucking shit everything was back then that they were like. And then they all ate turnips that prized delicious fruit. So yes, apparently eating turnips is a way to mock God. So, you know, ignore that hack I gave you of using turnips instead of green papayas, which are very expensive if you're ever making a papaya salad. And apparently they'd also just boil a human child and eat them, presumably with a side of turnips.

[Alina Urquhart]

I mean, I would argue that boiling a human child is more offensive than a turnip, but who the fuck am I?

[Ash Kelly]

I mean, that's only on the big feast days, the big satanic feast days.

[Alina Urquhart]

The high knights.

[Ash Kelly]

Yes, in the Alpass region of France, witches were a little more refined, however, and they ducked into a fricassee of bats.

[Alina Urquhart]

Typical French. Always, always one up in.

[Ash Kelly]

Now, many of this information was set out in the Malleus Maleficarum, and many more details were hashed out by religious leaders, including one very divisive debate. Can the devil jizz?

[Alina Urquhart]

Oh, holy Jesus. I don't know.

[Ash Kelly]

It's a big part of the conversation because when he had sex with his followers, as we told you he did, the devil could appear as either a succubus, which is a female demon, or an incubus, which is a male demon. And it was thought that he was freezing cold to the touch. And to answer this question, we don't really have an answer, but basically there were some allegations made by some people that, quote, some items in the devil were lacking in his equipment. Doctors have said that he could still come though, but some have said that he only emitted worm like creatures.

[Alina Urquhart]

Oh my God.

[Ash Kelly]

This is also strange because. Well, because for very obvious reasons. But where are they getting this information from? Who is giving this? Presumably this is just crazy shit that people are saying when they haven't been allowed to sleep and they're being tortured to death. Very specific though, which again makes you realize these people were so fucking bored that they were just making up the craziest stuff.

[Alina Urquhart]

Read a book. They had books.

[Ash Kelly]

This is all just Bible fanfiction.

[Alina Urquhart]

Also, probably most people were illiterate. I take that back.

[Ash Kelly]

Well, they've had the Bible read to them and then they've been like. But there's no dark, creepy, gory stuff which we absolutely love and want to hear more of. So people are just writing this. Malefas Maleficarum is just dark Bible fan fiction and then they've all run with it. So others who were presumably tortured as witches also said that the devil would squeeze the spunk out of the balls of recently dead men to use that as well. But thankfully Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine, the two founders of demonological science, settled the whole debate once and for all. The devil would appear as a succubus to have sex with a male witch, then once he had the man's seed change into an incubus, which is a male demon, and bang, a female witch.

[Alina Urquhart]

Simple.

[Ash Kelly]

Yeah, that's it. And no joke. These debates were actually raging in the cathedrals of Europe. It's not just a joke that we're making up. These people were actually arguing about this. And according to the Malleus, this is a quote. All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women.

[Alina Urquhart]

Insatiable bloody women. So why did the women catch it so badly? They already were having quite a difficult time in the Middle Ages. I think it was like 50% chance you die in childbirth. But on top of that, the witch craze was almost a woman only massacre.

[Ash Kelly]

Definitely in the uk. Yeah, I was listening to another podcast which was basically talking about how in other countries, such as Normandy, which is now in France, obviously Estonia, which is now, I know also the name of a ship in Burgundy, Russia and Iceland, the majority of people that were killed in the witch crazes there were all men. So it's interesting because I think there's something about that society that tells you who they were going after and why they were going after them. Was it because of the church sanctioned reason? Was it because of misogyny? Was it because of power grabs? It very much depends on the country, but in the uk, absolutely, the majority of people killed were women.

[Alina Urquhart]

Men were accused of being witches and found guilty of witchcraft, but they were less likely to die because of it. So why were 90% of those put to death women? Well, lots of reasons. The 13th and 14th century brought massive social, economic, demographic and religious change to the British Isles. And the role of the woman was in real flux. Many families had moved to cities from rural areas and society was moving from the exchanging of goods to a more cash based economy. And the population was booming. On top of that, wages were low, jobs were scarce and many men just couldn't afford to get married, which meant families just couldn't afford to support unproductive members. So many women either had to get jobs spinning or weaving or were just sent off to a convent. And the number of unmarried women grew and grew. Up to 40% of the women under 44 were unmarried. That is staggering. And the stigma against spinsters and widows was pretty obvious.

[Ash Kelly]

Then there was the Black Death. The bubonic plague swept through Europe and killed almost half of the entire population of the continent. Obviously that's bad, but for workers it was kind of a turn up. Wages were now higher, job security was better, there was plenty of food and lots of people inherited a bunch of money from their plagued relatives. Many people didn't want to squander their newfound prosperity. Plus the Renaissance was making everybody a bit more individualistic. Families shrunk, casual sex grew and new contraceptive methods were all the rage. All this sexual promiscuity came at the same time as large numbers of unmarried women were suddenly not under the authority of their fathers or husbands. This led to quite a bit of fear and resentment. And when the witch hunt kicked in, that expressed itself squarely on women. A lot of the symbols of witchcraft, like broomsticks, cooking pots, household animals, are symbols of domesticity and related to the traditional role of women. It was still a hyper religious society. And the changes sweeping through Europe also represented a return to strict moral boundaries. And in England that meant Puritanism.

[Alina Urquhart]

Which brings us to the infamous no nonsense, self styled Witchfinder General himself, Matthew Hopkins. Hopkins was born in wenham, Suffolk in 1620, when Puritanism was really kicking off. If you don't know about Puritans, they were a reform movement of English Protestants who, like John Knox earlier, thought that anything fun and cool was a sin. And they took themselves off to the New World because they didn't think England was boring enough, basically.

[Ash Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, that whole, like, mythos of the Puritans leaving the old world for the New world because they wanted to escape persecution is not true. They left so that they could persecute.

[Alina Urquhart]

Exactly. So take that, the Mayflower. Okay, moving on. King James died in 1625, and this is another particularly knotty period in British politics. Basically, there was a civil war between the new King Charles I and his Parliament. And as war usually does, war hit England hard. Poverty and famine were widespread. Local courts were suspended and law and order totally broke down. Hopkins's father, uncle and brother were all Puritan preachers. So he was raised with a hell of a lot of fire and brimstone. And when his father died, Hopkins moved to Manningtree, Essex. And very unlike a Puritan, bought a.

[Ash Kelly]

Pub when a landowner called Sir Harbottle Grimstone.

[Alina Urquhart]

That is not your name.

[Ash Kelly]

That is not a real name. Sir Harbottle Grimstone. Okay, fine.

[Alina Urquhart]

It sounds like a name that someone would give a very small dog, you.

[Ash Kelly]

Know, Harbot or Grimstone. And he noticed that a mysterious illness was sweeping through his cattle and he suspected foul play. Classic a Harbot or grimstone. And in 1645, he pointed the finger at an elderly one legged widow who lived on his land. He accused Elizabeth Clarke of being a witch. At the time, the witchcraft act was in place, but torture was still illegal. So witches would be monitored by watchers to see if they shot off on a broomstick or started suckling rats or something else that looked witchy. But Clark had annoyingly not done any of that. So Hopkins and fellow witch hating Puritan John Cern managed to convince watchers to pass the case over to them. And they dragged this old one legged widow, Elizabeth Clarke, into Hopkins pub, the Thorn Inn. And they say that in the time they were there, they saw Clark summon many familiars in various animal forms, including a demonic rabbit called Sugar. Why not these people? Imagine if they'd just written a young adult fantasy novel. Much better use of all of this imag imagination. But we can be pretty sure that all that really happened in that pub that day was the brutal torture of an old woman until she admitted to witchcraft and named a slew of other witches too.

[Alina Urquhart]

And the Witchfinder General took this confession and a new list of names to the Earl of Hardwick. This Earl was impressed and he gave Hopkins a warrant to go after more of these witches. And then Hopkins gave himself the name the Witchfinder General. As we have discussed at length, if you give yourself a nickname, it is not cool like L. Ron Hubbard calling himself Flash. It just makes you look lame. And soon, 23 women in the town of Manningtree had been arrested for witchcraft. They all confessed. 18 of them were hanged and four more died in jail. Only one of the accused, Rebecca west, was set free. And she was let go because she confessed that she had been forced by her mother to lie with the devil and that only her mother's death would save Rebecca from Satan's spell. So she throws her own mum under the fucking bus. So let her go. Word of the Essex trials spread like wildfire across England. And just months before, Puritans had been doing more. Sweeping through the country, they were burning churches and vandalizing anything they deemed too extravagant. Many towns and villages were decimated. As always, fear and uncertainty turned to blame. And soon communities were inviting the Witchfinder General to rid them of their demons. And yes, he really did use the swimming test. Amongst his methods, and what that was was suspects were thrown into a river and if they drowned, they were innocent but dead. And if they floated, they were treated as witches and killed anyway. So you're not coming out of it alive.

[Ash Kelly]

And the way things would go down with Hopkins is that he'd come into a village, he'd get these confessions. Once they were in, he'd disappear. He'd usually skip town before the actual executions took place. And like this, Hopkins went to countless villages over the years and made over a thousand pounds. That's at a time when the average wage was 6p a day. He was personally responsible over the years for sending over 300 Englishwomen to their deaths. Hopkins crusade eventually came to an end with the death of John Lowes in August 1645. The 80 year old priest was forced to run on the spot without sleep until he collapsed from exhaustion. It was part of a witch panic that eventually saw 100 people in one town arrested. And that came to the attention of the government. Soon they retried all 100 and only 18 people were found guilty. Suddenly, Hopkins seemed more dangerous than the evil he claimed to be fighting. The war was dying down and the fear did too. And the country now started to turn against the witchfinders.

[Alina Urquhart]

It's hard to say what finally brought an end to Europe's witch craze. For at least 200 years, all of Europe's brightest and most influential minds were part of a fight against witchcraft. And hundreds of thousands of women were killed in a meaningless holy war. But across Europe, as the social and religious conditions calmed, so did the witch frenzy. Protestant countries like England and Holland were first, and by the mid 18th century, witchcraft was back to being a local superstition. Meanwhile, over in Salem, Massachusetts, there was their own cute mini version of the witch craze that lasted just 14 months. But in some ways, the craze has never really stopped. Stories of clandestine evil powers gathering in groups to worship Satan, eat babies and use their powers to disrupt the status quo have lasted throughout the centuries. So the episodes that you have just listened to have been about a conspiracy theory, about fundamentalists wreaking havoc on a changing society and making a return to pure religious morals. And when you think about it that way, it's not an old story at all. Especially when 15% of Americans now believe that Satan worshipping pedophiles run the government and the media. And all they need to start hunting these Satan worshipping lizard pedophiles down is the right people in power.

[Ash Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, I think that the witch craze has been used. It's nothing new to use it as an allegory for other crazes that have come and will come and that we are living through. Obviously you can make direct comparisons to the witch craze, to things like McCarthyism. And yes, if you want to be more literal, not even allegorous, you can look at the QAnon shit. And we have covered that in a two part. If you go back and listen to it on Red Handed. Yeah, I mean, I think this is the thing is you can sort of scoff and look at these people and be like, oh my God, weren't they stupid? But like, we haven't evolved at all since this was happening.

[Alina Urquhart]

No.

[Ash Kelly]

A few centuries ago, we haven't evolved at all. And I think there's a really interesting quote. I can't remember who said it, but I'm sure you'll be able to find it if you Google it. Is the idea of the printing press really kicked off a lot of this stuff because it made things like the Malleus maleficarum easily accessible by people all over the world. And obviously we're not saying that the printing press was a bad invention. Of course it's not. It's great. But the printing press did directly, indirectly lead to thousands of people being killed. And there is an interesting quote that these days we have a new technological advancement coming into society on the level of the printing press almost every few months. And how we are not adequately equipped or emotionally or psychologically mature enough to be able to not let that lead to more and more panic and craziness. And you wonder what somebody's going to invent that's going to kill us all. So there you go.

[Alina Urquhart]

Great. Wonderful.

[Ash Kelly]

Well, on that happy thought, we'll update you on what's going on in our.

[Alina Urquhart]

Show of a government international embarrassment, that is the United Kingdom.

[Ash Kelly]

So we'll talk about that later probably on under the Duvet. If you would like to come check that out, join us at patreon.com redhanded where you can do that. Otherwise, we hope you enjoyed this two parter on the witch hunt of Europe and well, specifically in this part, especially the uk.

[Alina Urquhart]

And we'll eat some turnips.

[Ash Kelly]

See you next week. The Lord Bye bye. Foreign it's all a light hearted nightmare on our podcast Morbid.

[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

And I'm Ash Kelly.

[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

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[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

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[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

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[Alina Urquhart]

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[Ash Kelly]

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