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Ep 1130 | Is My Target Boycott over?! Corporations Drop DEI | Guest: Bevelyn Williams
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Ali Stuckey
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Bevelyn Williams
Enjoy.
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Ali Stuckey
40% off orders over $29 with code pod40@shutterfly.com and make something that means something. Am I finally going back to Target? They are abolishing their DEI programs, but here's what that really means. First, however, we are talking to Bevelin Williams, who was recently released from federal prison thanks to a pardon by Donald Trump after she was prosecuted by the Biden administration for blocking an entrance to an abortion clinic. She has an amazing testimony. You will be so edified by the reminder that God's eternal plan of redemption is always going off without a hitch and he is always working through the lives of believers. Without further ado, here is Babylon. Bevelyn, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. First, can you just tell us how you're feeling right now?
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Bevelyn Williams
Oh, man, it's a lot of emotions. It's like almost. I'm registering everything, like in waves right now. It's like sometime I just sit in my house and I just feel like, oh snap, I'm really home. I'm not in prison anymore. So I'm super joyful, so happy, so at peace, so thankful. But yet I'm like exhausted. Like, I feel like I can't get enough sleep because I didn't realize how much I was in such spiritual warfare. Like being in prison. Like, prison is a lot goes on in prison spiritually. So I'm exhausted in a sense. And I'm just like, I'm still kind of traumatized by the experience in itself. And so it's just like a jumble, a jumble of emotions.
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Ali Stuckey
Can you tell us more about that, about the spiritual warfare that you saw while you were in prison?
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Bevelyn Williams
Well, like when I would go to the abortion clinic, right, and we would go out and protest for a couple of hours. It was always a known fact, like, after you leave, anybody that has ever protested in front of abortion clinic will agree with me. When you're done, all you're going to need is food, a good shower and sleep. You are like spiritually drained because there's just so much going on. And that literally was prison. Every day, all day, people yelling, screaming, almost getting into fights, getting into fights, arguments. Like, you can't have a normal conversation with people in Prison, like, you really have to pull them in. Most conversations would be an argument or a fight or, you know, people are high. There's drugs everywhere.
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Ali Stuckey
You know, really, in prison, there's drugs everywhere.
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Bevelyn Williams
Girl, there's more drugs in prison than on the street, okay? People go to prison and get strung out, amongst other things. So my bunky would, like, get high in my cell, and it was like, nothing I could do about it because that's her cell, too. Stealing. I mean, like, you got to be on point about everything. You can't leave your locker open because you might go and come back and it's gone. And now if one person reports it to the lieutenant, they're going to shake the whole unit down. And then if you have contraband, it gets taken away. And so let me tell you, I had contraband. Girl, they had give you these mattresses that's this thick, okay? Girl, I had three. I was not about to do that, okay? That's where I drew the line. When my spine started talking back to me when I wake up in the morning, I was like, okay, no, I'm going to have to make it happen. So, I mean, prison is like, it's nothing you can ever just sit and get comfortable with. It's concrete everywhere. It's stainless steel bed, stainless steel toilet. You have to use the bathroom in front of somebody. You have no privacy. You know, we have separate places for showers, but it's like it's only a curtain separating you from the entire unit. So you just. You. You can be as comfortable as you can be, but I just could never be comfortable enough to be rested.
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Ali Stuckey
Were you able to connect to any of your fellow inmates? Like, did they want to talk to you? Did they want to know why you were there? Were there any relationships you were able to make? Or was it really just, as you said, going at it kind of all the time? Conflict, right?
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Bevelyn Williams
So I will say that God gave me the ability to be a light in prison. I was seen as a mother figure to a lot of the women there. Somebody that they could vent to, somebody that they can talk to. When they needed help, I tried to help them, but unfortunately, I was hindered a lot because of drug addiction. Like, I'm not going to give you support for you to go and blow it on drugs. You know what I mean? So I had to give more moral support and more verbal support than anything else. My your actions. So the thing is, in prison, inmate.com works faster than Twitter. When word get out in prison, word gets out. People talk. And so what? You're known for your actions in prison. If you're a liar in prison, people gonna know you're a liar. If you're a swindler, they're gonna know you're a swindler. If you're a homosexual, oh, they're gonna know. Like, whatever you do, not only are people gonna know it, but you're gonna be labeled as what you are. So actions mean everything in pr. You know, word would get out about my actions because I was known as the girl that pays her bills. Like, let me tell you how a bill is created. So in prison, commissary is cash. Whether food, cookies, cakes, all that stuff that you get at commissary, that's as good as cash in prison because that's what you survive on, right? So if, like, a girl works in the kitchen and it's burger day, and I want her to bring me back an extra burger because, you know, the portions are small, she might be like, all right, cool. That's going to be $5 worth of commissary. So she'll write me a bill of the things she wants on commissary, and I would then purchase them and give them to her. And that was my way of paying her back for what she did for me. So it's a lot of bills, like commissary, they will be on for me was Wednesdays and Tuesdays. By that day, people are collecting up bills. And I was known for paying my bills. I was known for being a woman of my word. If I said I was going to buy your book, which buying a book means, like, I get $90 a week to spend on my name on commissary. If I needed more than $90, I would put another 90 on someone else's books, have my husband put it on. And then I would spend $70 worth of commissary, and then that person would spend $20. And usually I would get people that don't have family support, that don't have people from the outside to help them, you know, So I became known for my actions as an honorable woman, a standup woman. They didn't really want to hear me preach. They wanted to see my walk. And my walk made them more comfortable to come and talk to me about the Lord. And, you know, they would hear while I was there. So then they would, like, inquire me and see how I was moving. And then they'd be like, let me go talk to her. Like, oh, are you really here? Because you were preaching like you were Christian and like, oh, man, I need to talk to you. Like. And they would tell me, like, I'm going through this D. Can you pray for me? And that's how that open door came about. My bunky that was smoking at the time, she stopped and she did give her life to Christ.
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Ali Stuckey
Wow.
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Bevelyn Williams
That's one person known for sure who lived with me because I would just minister to her all the time. We would be on lockdown and I would just, you know, listen. I listened a lot. So by me being a listening ears to these women, I was able to be a woman of counsel. You know, she would get upset about something and she would come in a room and she's ready to fight or beat the girl up because she's mad. I'd be like, listen, you can't just put your hands on everybody. You have to have a conversation. Go and talk to them. She was like, well, I was going to do. She asked me to do her toenails. Now I'm not doing them. I said, no, now you are going to do them because you're a Christian and we're supposed to bless our enemy. So now you're going to do them. You're going to do the best toenails she's ever had in her life. Right? So I would teach her, like, principles like that, and she would listen. And so the ministry was. It was thick in prison. It was a lot of ministry.
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Ali Stuckey
Gosh. What Satan means for evil, God always uses for good and the life of the believer. Can you tell me about what your prayers were like while you were there? Because even while God was redeeming that time that you spent there, I am sure you spent many, many hours just wanting to be home, to be with your baby, to be with your husband. So what were you praying when you were laying at night on your three mattresses?
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Bevelyn Williams
Oh, man, I. Oh, man, a lot of nights I would just pray for peace. Like the first three weeks, I would wake up in shock. Like, my heart would be beating out of my chest. I would just be like. It would hit me like, oh, my God, like, you're really in federal prison. It's so humbling. Like, you're. You're stripped and you're placed at the lowest. I mean, after prison, what is their death like? Those are only two lows you can go to on this earth. So a lot of waking up in shock and asking God for peace. I never in my mind thought that he would leave me nor forsake me. I trusted him and I knew. I know God enough to know he's a good God and he keeps his promises. So that wasn't the issue. It was just the hurt, the anguish, the loneliness, missing my daughter. I was praying for, like, God to protect her from my absence, that she wouldn't be so grievous about it. So a lot of peace, a lot of protection, a lot of prayers of shalom. And I knew it was an assignment, so I said, lord, I want to be able to not focus on my own personal issues and get to the assignment with these girls in here, because these girls in here are lost. And I mean, when I say the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few. You had Christians even on the compound that were, like, working there, but they weren't strong Christians. They were very judgmental to the girls. They were very condemning of the girls and telling them, oh, you know, you're a sinner, you're a sinner. And my concept was like, no, listen, yeah, we were all born in sin. That's why we have to be born again. But we don't have to be stuck in sin. Jesus didn't die for us to keep crucifying him with constant sinning like he. We were birthed in the flesh, but now we have to be birthed of the Spirit. And so a lot of, like, the way I would teach and the way I would talk to these girls, it was literally the same things they would say about Jesus. They was like, who? Like, I've never heard anybody talk like that before. Many of them would be like, I never really met a Christian before. Like, you're so. You're not. Like, I wasn't stuck up or hard to talk to, or so holy art thou. Like, they would come and talk to me, and, I mean, they're dropping F bombs in every sentence. And I still was, like, able to sit and listen to them and be like, oh, okay, all right, I understand. All right. And my mom did this to me. My mom did that. You know, my bunky, she was a prostitution. She was 13 years old. Thirteen. And so for me, I had to operate with complete compassion and patience. I couldn't be caught up on what's going on at home. So those prayers were prayers of peace, prayers of shalom, and also praying for the people in the prison.
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Ali Stuckey
And your daughter is how old? She's. Is she two or three? Two. My goodness. And you were sentenced to three and a half years. So you were thinking that by the time you got out of prison, gosh, so much. I've got, you know, three little girls myself all around that age. So life goes by so fast. You were thinking, you're not going to be able to be with her, hug her again until she's a kindergartner. Going from a baby to a kindergartner, I'm sure that was heartbreaking to process.
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Bevelyn Williams
I never processed it. I wouldn't allow myself to. I would never allow myself to agree or even touch and agree with the sentence that they gave me. And I would never allow myself to just be like, yeah, okay, this is it. I'm not gonna be able to spend time with my daughter till she's five. No, I wasn't accepting that. No, I knew that I was going home. I knew that God was going to deliver me from the situation. I didn't know when, God forbid, I had did my full time in prison, I would have still trusted that God had a better plan or had saw something better through it. Are they nights that I cried to God and was, like, upset with him? Absolutely. You know, Paul says in his book, he says, I think it's in Romans, he says, Or Corinthians, he says, sometimes I feel like, you know, apostles, we just laid on display for everybody to look at and mock and make fun of. And that's how I felt a lot of time in prison. I felt like, dang, man. Like, I feel like I'm just laid on display to be made fun of, to be mocked. Like, I was mocked all the way up until the day I walked in that cell. My life just laid on display to just be here. Here's the example of what happens when you serve God. Blah, blah, blah, like, taunting mockery. And I just felt like, no, God, this can't be it. This can't be the finisher. I just knew that this couldn't be the end of the story because, you know, God does not like to be mocked. You know, when he says, touch not my anointed. So I'm like, something has to come from this. So, no, I never accepted that I would be out and not be with my daughter until she was 5. No, never.
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Ali Stuckey
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Bevelyn Williams
So I actually watched this happen in the TV room. So, okay, usually when you have people that been there, I was locked up with people that got like 15 years, 30 years, 20 years, 50 years, like people who doing bids. So it's called being institutionalized. When you get in prison that long, you start to kind of claim things as your own. Like this table is my table, that TV is my tv. And so like you kind of start to personalize things in the prison because you're there for a long time. And so the TV room was this girl's name, it's a nickname, Flaca. She was my neighbor. It was her room. And so I woke up, I think they pop our locks. We lock down at 9:30 at night, they pop our locks at 6. So when I heard them pop the lock, I just was like, no, let me go run and put my chair in the TV room. If you put your chair in wherever you put your chair, it's yours. So I put my chair in the TV room by the TV I wanted to use. And I was like, listen, I don't care how much flock, I want to watch her show today. It's quiet, I'm watching the news. Okay. Then I went, got back in bed, went to sleep, got up again. It was a very peaceful day. It was a weekday, it was a Thursday. Usually on weekdays you got to be up by 6am dressed in room, spotless bed made by 7:30 in the morning every day or you can get in trouble. So it was so crazy because on this particular Thursday people were sleeping in. It was very quiet, it was very still, it felt like a weekend, you know what I mean? And so I'm like, dang. Like, I get up and I'm about to go hop in the shower, and I'm contemplating do I want to put on my uniform or do I want to wear my grays, which you can only really wear at the end of the day and on the weekends. And I just felt like this whisper, like, you're going home today. And the thing is, it was so hard for me to receive the whisper because I had experienced every prayer being answered with a no. So I had gotten used to, like, not even getting my hopes up about anything because it seemed like I was getting, like, crash and burned. I mean, almost. I'm gonna tell you on the 20th. So I was locked up with two J6ers, and one of them stayed in my unit. Her name was Audrey. Me and her were very close. You know, us Pro lifers and J6ers, we stuck together in prison because we were, like, the only few people that felt like we came from some type of similar cloth. You know what I mean? It's hard to, like. It was hard to, like, vibe with somebody when, you know, like, you're there because you're really innocent and you're there because they're guilty. Even if they've had a change of heart, it's like. It just is different. So I was expecting when the J6ers went home that the pro lifers would go home too. So when I woke up that morning on the 21st, and Audrey was gone, and I wasn't there, I was devastated. I was devastated. So this was here again. Another prayer I'm thinking is not being answered or answered with the no, I didn't leave on the 20th. Like her, I'm stuck here in this prison. So now I'm like, oh, my God, am I really stuck here? Am I really left here? And so now this is why the 23rd was so important for me to get up and hear that whisper. And I just kind of dusted off. I didn't say no to it, but I didn't really be like, okay, girl. Yeah, I'm going home today. I didn't do that. So then I took a shower, put on my grays, went into the TV room, caught on the news, and I'm just like, you know what? I'm gonna chill in here, and I'm gonna just watch the news. I don't care. I'm just gonna watch the news. And it was very hard for me on the 21st and the 22nd to watch the news because of what? Cause the J6ers had left, and I was still there, so it was really hard for me. But anyway, so I'm watching the news, and all I'm seeing is, like, World Economic Forum go on, him addressing them. And then I'm watching some things about ICE in Boston and how he's kind of clearing it out, clearing out, you know, the illegal immigrants and stuff like that. And so then I take a break, I call my husband, and my husband's like, babe, you're buzzing on Twitter. I'm like, really? What's going on? He's like, well, Charlie Kirk just retweeted, put your name in it. It's saying that pardons are coming out for y'all soon. They don't know how soon, but they were hoping it would be at least Friday. So he was expecting to come pick me up that morning, thinking that Trump will pardon me Friday, and then I would get out that day again. So we're, like, hoping, like, man, maybe I could get out on Thursday. That would be even better today, but whatever. So I get off the phone with him, and I go sit back down and watch the news. All I see on the screen is breaking news, Trump signing executive orders. So I'm like, all right, let me watch again. I'm not thinking that he's gonna sign my release. I see him sign two executive orders about some. Two things that I forgot now, because you know what happened. And the next thing I know, I hear, okay, then we're gonna sign this executive order to pardon the pro lifers who've been unjustly charged. And he said, how many of them? And the guy said, 23. And he said, yeah, shouldn't have never happened. And as I heard, shouldn't have never happened. I'm like, wait, what? I'm, like, freaking out. I'm like, whoa. Oh, my God. Wait, he's about to sign it right now. Girl. He grabbed that pen, and I heard. I was screaming, girl. I ran through the whole pot. I'm speaking in tongues. I'm praising. I'm going, thank you, Jesus. I'm going bananas. And believe it or not, the inmates didn't get jealous. They started applauding me. They started caring. And I was just like, oh, my God. I'm going home. I'm going home. I called my husband. I said, babe, come get me. Come get me. Excuse me.
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Ali Stuckey
That's okay. Excuse me.
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Bevelyn Williams
I'm coming up from a cold. I was like, babe, come get me now. Come pack the car.
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Ali Stuckey
Up.
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Bevelyn Williams
Come get me now. I should be out in a couple of hours and I'm home.
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Ali Stuckey
Okay, we played this yesterday, but in case people missed it, I want to play the video of you reuniting with your daughter and with your husband. Here's thought two.
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Bevelyn Williams
Look at us.
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Ali Stuckey
Oh, Bevelin, that just makes me cry. The joy there is just so real. You're exuberant. I mean, I can't even imagine what you were feeling in that moment.
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Bevelyn Williams
First of all, before, they didn't record this part, but as I was walking out the door of the prison, my daughter sees me and she starts kicking her feet like she's trying to jump out of my husband's arms to see me. She missed me, of course, so much. Like we never been apart. The longest we had ever been apart was maybe five days when Ricky took me to Vegas. But other than that, I'm a stay at home mom. I'm always with my child. You know what I'm saying? A couple of hours, that's what I get to take a nap, and then it's back on mom duty. I mean, so. Oh, my God, just to see her so happy to see me, like, so ecstatic and laughing and smiling and giggling and singing and she has not nonstop since I've been home. She is so joy. Even my husband's like, babe, she's so joyful. Like, I don't think I've ever seen her this happy before. Mind you, I have a happy baby, but it's just like another level. And so for me, I just. Man, yeah, I couldn't get out that door fast enough. I. I just enjoy getting in a car and just hearing an engine run and just watching, like, the lines on the road go by. Like, it's like these small things that you probably take for granted, they become everything when you don't have them anymore and you're stuck in a cell and in the same compound for days on end. It was amazing, girl. It was amazing.
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Ali Stuckey
My goodness. Praise God. Um, yeah, can you take us back to the day of the incident that you were prosecuted for? You were. They say that you were obstructing the entrance to a clinic. What was really going on that day that got you in trouble with the Biden administration?
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Bevelyn Williams
Right. So what they don't like to talk about was, and this is. You got to understand, when you go to trial, the judge has the power to. And allow certain evidence to be administered or not. She also, or he also has the power to decide which arguments can be presented to the jury. And which can't. So if you have a corrupt judge, your whole trial, even with enough evidence to be exonerated, can cause you to be convicted because the judge can control the narrative. And that's something that people need to understand. So I was. It was a Jesus Matters rally that I had did. There were police present at this rally. There's a video that was posted on Facebook and Twitter of officers saying that we have been going to that clinic for months and have never blocked the door. The judge would not allow that to be presented to the jury. Okay. The woman who claimed that I slammed her hand in the door, officers were present. I didn't get arrested. I didn't get a ticket. I didn't get a citation. I walked away two years later, after Roe versus Wade was overturned. Next thing I know, I'm indicted. And they're saying that I caused a hand injury to this woman who did not go to a doctor or urgent care until five days later. Okay? So so much could have happened in those five days. That bruised arm could have came from so much more. And technically, on the stand, she lied about which hand was messed up. In the picture, it shows the left hand, but then on the stand, she claimed it was her right hand. And unfortunately, I had a court appointed lawyer who did not hammer those questions. We spoke to him when we would take breaks and we would say, hey, you need to ask questions like this. You're not asking these type of questions. And he was just. Oh, yeah, I got it, I got it. He was a dei. Respectfully, he was. And he just wouldn't listen. And it was as if he was acting like he was for me, but he was kind of serving me up on a platter. And so the whole system was set up for me to fail. What they claimed happened. And what actually happened is two different stories. And to say that I went there with the intent of crushing that woman's hand on the door is an absolute lie. The woman open. I was standing on a public sidewalk, New York City's public sidewalk, that my taxpayer money paid for. The woman opened the door and hit me in the back. I then leaned back on the door. Right. Now, did I take my time getting off the door because she had kind of whacked me with the door? Yeah, I did. But to say that I went there and I just put her hand in the door and crushed it with my back, it's a blatant lie. And I should have been found not guilty because intent alone, even if the hand injury actually happened. Intent, you're Supposed to be convicted on intent.
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Ali Stuckey
Right.
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Bevelyn Williams
The question was, did I intend to go there for that? No, that was a happenstance. Okay. And so there was just again, so much that my lawyer didn't explain, so much that the judge hindered from happening. She did not even allow us to bring up the argument of freedom of speech, which basically happened to me. I was violated from my freedom of speech. They will manipulate the words that I said when I say this is war and we're going to terrorize this place. Even though on video you could see I meant protesters coming preaching against abortion, not violence. They never shown on video. There will not be a video of me getting violent. I think they have one video of me, like kind of moving someone out my way. But in the video, I got 40 people around me and I think I had one protester kind of like feeling all my butt. And so I had pushed them, pushed the protester back. So it's like, how do you present this type of evidence where there's 40 people around me, pro life protesters and pro choice protesters, and say, oh, she's violent for moving this person from her with 40 people surrounding me. Make it make sense. So the whole thing was a railroad and it was just corrupt from the beginning.
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Ali Stuckey
And tell us how you got into that kind of advocacy of going to these pregnancy or not pregnancy centers, abortion clinics, trying to convince women to not abort their babies, trying to just sound the alarm about the violence that is actually going on inside these clinics. I mean, like you said, they, you know, these prosecutors said that they were looking for violence while the real violence is going on inside the clinics, not outside the clinics. But they're not concerned about that. So tell us a little bit about your story. How did you become so passionate about this cause?
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Bevelyn Williams
Well, Governor Cuomo did it. Chris Cuomo. I was already doing ministry, but I was doing like homeless ministry, things like that. But Chris Cuomo decided that he would legalize abortion up to nine months in New York. And when he did that, I was like, first of all, I felt ashamed of myself that I had not prioritized abortion before that. Because it took for. It took for him to legalize it up to nine months for me to realize, oh, snap, this is murder. It been murder. But it hit me like, nah, y'all gonna really take a nine month old baby from out straight out their mama woo and kill them. That's too far. So from that moment on, I'm like, no, I'm gonna hit them with everything we have. We're gonna preach, we're gonna pray in the Spirit. We're gonna go all out for the kingdom of God. Because this. What they did was wicked. They lit up the Empire State Building pink.
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Ali Stuckey
Yep.
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Bevelyn Williams
And they celebrated throwing peoples all through. Do you remember that?
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Ali Stuckey
I do. And I had the exact same feeling as you. I would say, for lack of a better word. It was that moment, that piece of legislation, that moment when the chamber, after he signed the law, they erupted in cheers, the buildings lit up pink. That I also felt. The Holy Spirit just pierced me. And I was already pro life.
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Bevelyn Williams
Right.
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Ali Stuckey
But like you, I just started sobbing. I was pregnant with my oldest child, and it was like the evil of not only what abortion is, but this movement. I mean, it hit me like a ton of bricks. So there's only one spirit. So obviously the spirit was working in the same way among a lot of us Christians in that moment. But keep going.
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Bevelyn Williams
Right, right. You hit. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what it was for us, too. And I was just like, no, we're going to take action. I'm in New York City. I'm at one of the big. I'm near the biggest abortion clinic, really, in the nation, takes up the most abortions. And it's Margaret Sanger Square Abortion Clinic. I'm going to come here every morning. I'm going to preach this gospel. I'm going to do what I know. I'm going to operate in the power of the Holy Ghost, and I'm going to be obedient to God. I did not care about how many babies were saved. I didn't care about how many women I talked to. All I knew is that I was going to be a witness. Now, the crazy thing is this. After I started going to the abortion clinic, like, I think I. I'm the type of person where I know how to suppress trauma, but then it pops back up out of nowhere. You understand what I'm saying? But I'm really good at, like, mentally suppressing trauma. I forgot about when I got my first abortion at 15, and I had forgot about how there were protesters out there screaming and yelling and picketing. And I went in and I got my abortion. But when I had remembered that, I was like, oh, my God. God, you were always there. You were a witness. Even when I didn't know it, you were witnessing for me. So that's what I'm going to be. I'm going to be a witness for them girls who walk in. I'm going to give them the opportunity to have a second Choice. And obviously there's plenty of not for profit organizations and plenty of ways God can facilitate choosing a different choice. But I need to be that witness to let them know before you walk in here. This wasn't your only option. And that's what I was. Period.
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Ali Stuckey
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Bevelyn Williams
I was 15 when I had my first abortion and I actually became a Christian when I was 22. I was in jail. I was in Rikers island waiting on my dad to come and bail me out. And I had met a woman on Rikers island, some woman that for her faith ended up in jail. And she prophesied to me and told me that I need to give my life to Christ or I'm headed towards death. And she said the next thing at the prison is death. And when she told me that, I'm like, no, I don't want to die. And I knew that if I did, I would die in my sin. And so I just repented and I gave my life to Christ and I never looked back since. So I find it so interesting that I ended up taking up that same mantle by going to this federal prison. There was a lot of girls that I ministered to and told them that they need to get it like the Christmas and they need to the next thing is death. And also, while prison wasn't fun, prison was mercy. A lot of them girls in prison, if they wasn't in prison, they'd be dead, burning in hell. It would be better for them to be in prison than to be in hell. And so I saw that God used me as a mercy too in that prison to minister to those girls, to spend time with those girls. To sow into those girls and to tell those girls there's a God and he's available. And so that's really what kind of solidified my faith. And then I ended up meeting my best friend Ed May a year later and she started to mentor me on being a Christian and reading the word and walking the walk of a Christian.
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Ali Stuckey
And was it your abortion experience that inspired you specifically to fight against this and to, like you said, be a witness?
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Bevelyn Williams
No. I mean, I always knew abortion was wrong. I never was that crazy. To be like, yeah, abortion is healthcare. I never was that crazy. In your heart, the word of God is written on your heart. You know, when you're wrong, you, you choose to justify it and you want to make legislation affirm you because your pride. But I had never gotten so powerful in my life that I would sit here and co sign, oh yeah, abortion is okay. I knew it was wrong. So when I got saved, it was a no brainer for me to repent about abortions because I knew they were wrong. What had sparked my desire was that I become a Christian now. I had to learn to let God's light shine wherever and an abortion clinic wasn't an exception. And then on top of that, the fact that I had already had three myself, I felt this is the perfect opportunity to relate to these women because I've been there. I'm not here to judge. I've been there. I know what it's like, you know, so if anything, it just kind of gave me proper footing to talk to these girls. But no, it wasn't my motivation. My motivation was purely Christ.
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Ali Stuckey
What does it look like now for you going forward?
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Bevelyn Williams
Man, I don't know. I think, I think sky is the limit right now. I think that God is about to put me in places that I've never been before. I feel like I graduated. I feel like I reached, you know, as Christians, right, we talk about different seasons that we go through and I know we talk about a job season, but we don't really talk about an Abraham season and an Isaac season where you're tested for the promises that God has given you. But you're tested and God is watching to see how you react before he reacts to the promise that he wants to pour in your life. I feel like all of the promises that God has sown into me, they're going to come to pass in abundance for my children and my children's children. And there actually was a generational chain on my family line from my dad's side of prison. You Know, a lot of the men in my family have been in and out of prison, I feel like. And I knew that going into. I was breaking that chain. I was breaking it. God was using me to break it for the rest of my bloodline. I know what I'm saying may sound kind of foreign for people, but you just got to read your Bible and you'll get it. So I know glory is next. I've never seen not one person in the Bible go to prison for their faith and for their righteousness. And glory not come from that. Even for Paul, glory came from that. So I feel like that's the season. How does it look? I don't know, but. But I know it's coming.
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Ali Stuckey
Well, certainly God works all things together for the good of those who love him, who are called according to his purpose and all things. Even martyrdom is used for the glory of God. And you said that, you know, glory follows sacrifice. Sometimes that glory is on the other side of eternity. But God is always glorified through the obedience of believers. And we can trust in that for sure. And I just appreciate your faithful witness and your faithfulness, your boldness, your courage. Courage. Courage is contagious. And you've been an example to all of us through the power of the Holy Spirit and for the glory of God. And I am praising God for your release, for the release of Joan Bell. Herb Garrity, Lauren Handy. So many of the other pro lifers who put themselves on the line for the sake of the unborn and for the sake of the gospel. So thank you so much, Bevelin. I really appreciate you.
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Bevelyn Williams
Thank you.
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Ali Stuckey
Thanks. So good. She is such a peaceful demeanor and also a powerful present presence. And I'm just so thankful for how the Lord has worked in her life and will continue to. So just pray for her. And pray for all of those who have been released from prison. You know, not all of the pro lifers that were prosecuted and then pardoned are believers. For example, if I remember correctly, Herb Garrity, whom we talked to a couple years ago now, Herb was not a believer. I'm not sure if that is still the case, but pray for all of those who have been released from prison that they would know the true freedom that is found in Christ. And I am so thankful for the courage that they have. But we want them to know their Creator and the God who offers them true liberty from sin and from darkness. And so pray for all of them and just continue to thank God for the providence and the mercy that is being demonstrated to Our nation right now through Donald Trump. I know I alluded to this yesterday at the end of the episode, but I just want to say again how pleasantly surprised I am by the swift action that Donald Trump has taken in the way of pro life advocacy. We were all worried about that, right? Like, based on the things that he said in interviews, we were worried about how he would actually come down when it came to abortion. And already he has exceeded expectations, and I'm so grateful for that. Now, tomorrow and the next day, we will see the confirmation hearings of RFK Jr. Who has been nominated for the position of the Health and Human Services Secretary. And he is pro choice and the HHS is very involved in federal abortion policy. And so while I obviously support him as a pick, as a superior pick, I should say to the previous Health and Human Services secretary. And while I think he is going to do a lot of good work, we need to be very watchful and very vigilant to ensure that the policies that are being advocated for from that level are on the side of the dignity of unborn children. His confirmation hearings will be very, very interesting to watch. I mean, he's got a lot in his background that you and I as supporters of. A lot of the things that he supports that he advocates for are not down with, like, would not agree with. There are going to be Republicans and Democrats who take issue with some of his policy prescriptions and a lot of things in his past, both personally and politically, but also professionally. So it'll be very interesting to watch. Of course, we'll be covering that, but I want to get into some other good news. This is political, but it's also, it's also just cultural. Has to do with Target. Remember Target? Now, those of you who have been boycotting Target for the past few years, maybe you have forgotten what Target is, but it is this huge store that white ladies frequent when they want to spend money that they don't actually have. That is what Target is. When you want to go somewhere to buy a bunch of things that you do not need, but you really want, that is when you go to Target. I say that from experience. I used to love Target, would go to Target all the time, just as an activity, spending money that did not need to be spent on candles and, like, random pieces of decor that lasted only six months. And then when I saw a few years ago that they were not only celebrating pride, I think we've come to expect, expect that from a lot of corporations, but that they were actually selling things like chest binding, sports bras. And packing underwear for what seemed like, from their marketing, minors when they were putting androgynous child models on their website to model transgender flag T shirts and skirts, I said, okay, for me, that's too far. And that's not to say that the other corporations that I support, because I don't boycott everything that they are perfect. But for me, it was the combination of the time and the money that I was spending at Target and the just brazenly demonic values that were targeting, no pun intended, children. I just couldn't. I couldn't reconcile that, and I couldn't justify continuing to spend time and money there. So I literally have not been there since, I want to say, 2021. Has it really almost been four years? But maybe not. Maybe it was 2022. I'm having a hard time remembering. But it's been a long time. It's been since the spring of one of those years. And we have seen some indications that maybe they're walking back a lot of their unabashed progressivism. Last year, for example, the Pride displays weren't nearly as out there and as prominent. In fact, some of you said that at your local Target, you walked in and you only saw a Fourth of July decor, and you saw displays thinking veterans, and you saw, like, a few rainbow flag things, but it wasn't nearly as prominent as it had been in years past. And so we were like, okay, maybe they heard us, because, hey, conservative suburban moms, like, we hold all of the buying power at Target. Surely we have some capital. Surely we have some sway. We weren't sure because, of course, they are trying to please their. Their shareholders at BlackRock and Vanguard. They don't really care as much about their customer base, but maybe we have some power. And so it was starting to look this past summer like things were going our way. And now we have even better news. And this news is that Target is abolishing their DEI programs. If you have been living under a rock, that's okay. Welcome to the podcast. You're going to learn a lot. But DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. And maybe, again, if you're just a sweet summer child, you're thinking diversity, equity, and inclusion. Awesome. You have friends who look completely differently from each other in all different kinds of backgrounds. And you think equity, and you think fairness, Everyone being treated the same. You think inclusion, and you think, great. I don't want anyone to be bullied or excluded because of what they look like or what their socioeconomic class is. And you're thinking, well, DEI sounds Wonderful. Why in the world would we want it abolished? But dei, functionally, when you look at the actual programs that are being implemented in many of these corporations, it typically manifests itself in racial quotas that discriminate against primarily white men, but also white women, also Asian men and women, depending on the institution that you're, that you're looking at. And also prioritizes the color of someone's skin, their religion, their sexual orientation, their so called gender identity over merit. And unfortunately we have seen this even in the medical field, even when it comes to airlines, even when it comes to the military, as we have talked about many, many times. But these corporations were really some of the first entities that introduced these DEI programs that had these racial quotas and this emphasis on things like white privilege and white supremacy and forcing their employees to use so called prefer pronouns that don't correspond to someone's sex and the pushing of things like transgenderism for children, all of that falls under the umbrella of dei. Whereas conservatives have been saying for a long time, the Trump administration is saying through his executive policy that hey, we're not going to have dei, at least in the federal government. We're just not doing that. We're prioritizing merit when it comes to the military, we're prioritizing lethality when it comes to other parts of the government. We are prioritizing competence. No matter what your skin color is, no matter what your background is, we are going to prioritize deservedness. If someone is going to do an excellent job in this role, no matter what they look like, then they can get the job. But we are not going to have these unnecessary quotas that unfortunately lead to the demise of any institution. So last Friday, here's the news. Target announced that it would join rival Walmart and a number of other prominent American brands in scale scaling back diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. The program is called there's always Euphemisms Belonging in the bullseye. That was the program being so that was the. The goal of this. Belonging in the bullseye is driving growth and staying in step with the evolving external landscape, which is a terrible idea. You should have timeless values and your goals should always conform to those timeless values that are rooted in virtue and truth. In 2020, many corporations made investments into so called racial equity initiatives following the death of George Floyd, the riots in Minneapolis. So in 2020, Target launched its Racial Equity Action and Change initiative. It was already slated to end this year. The program implemented anti racism training for employees, prioritize, prioritized hearing and promoting black Workers, which again means discriminating against other people because of their lack of melanin and looked to grow the number of black owned businesses represented on Target shelves. So again, that is a reverse kind of racism, which is exactly what Ibram X Kendi supported when he or argued for in his book how to be an Anti Racist. And so when they say they're specifically promoting black businesses, they are saying even if a white business would qualify, even if an Asian owned business would qualify, well they don't make the cut because they aren't owned by someone with a certain amount of melanin in their skin. In 2021, Target pledged to invest $2 billion in Black owned businesses by the end of 2025 as part of the program. Last Friday's memo that Target sent out saying, okay, we're ending all of our DEI programs. Again, that one was already slated to end, but the belonging in the bullseye that's coming into an end to the memo said that Target would no longer participate in surveys designed to gauge effectiveness of its actions, including submitting the its information to the Human Rights Campaign. Human Rights Campaigns Corporate Equality Index, which evaluates corporate policies on so called LGBTQ inclusion. That is huge. That is huge. The HRC has had these corporations by the, by the neck saying if you do not meet our standards of LGBTQ inclusion then we are going to give you a low score on the human rights scale. This arbitrary and subjective scale that they came up with. And I don't, I don't really know what happens after that. Probably they would be punished by their shareholders like BlackRock and Vanguard who probably look to the scoring of a progressive entity like the Human Rights Coalition. Was that campaign to decide how much money they are going to invest or how, how much of a partnership they are going to have with these corporations? Since 2002, the HRC has been publishing their Equality Index which serves as a national report card, using surveys from hundreds of companies for how well they are supporting the quote, LGBTQ community. They send representatives to corporations every year telling them what kind of things they have to do to promote LGBTQ causes. HRC will often give a list of recommendations or demand along with the implication that if the recommendations are not followed, that company's Corporate Equality Index score will decrease. Also important to note, the CEI scores were also a lesser known factor in the environmental, social and corporate governance ESG movement that was pushed by the country's top investment firms, BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street Bank. If you don't know what I'm talking about when I talk about ESG and Vanguard. You've got to go back and listen to all of my episodes with Justin Haskins. I've got to get him back on to just see what he thinks about the whole great reset that these major corporations and the World Economic Forum have been pushing successfully for so long. How are they going to accomplish their corporate oligarchy, their global corporate oligarchy without the compliance of places like Target? If an entity like Target is saying, I don't really care what the Human Rights Campaign says, I don't really care what my ESG score says. I don't really care if BlackRock and Vanguard are mad at me, how in the world first did Target make that calculation? Because it's very surprising. But how is George Soros and Klaus Schwab, how are they going to accomplish what they want to accomplish, which is a reset of the world order in service to their climate agenda, which they hope will lead to depot population, which will lead to a world that is much easier to control? We've always said a strong America stands in the way of that. And I would love to get an update from Justin, especially when it comes to that EU law that we talked about last time. Like, how is all of that going to work out now that Trump actually did win because we talked to him before the election? Wow. I'm so interested to hear what he thinks about the changes in all of this. So other companies are also shifting away from DEI. We've got Walmart, McDonald's, Ford, Harley Davidson and John Deere. They're among well known consumer brands that reduced or phased out their DEI commitments in recent months. Several of these companies also joined Target in announcing they would not be participating in the HRC's Corporate Equality Index surveys. Like, it is so lame to be a liberal now. Like, how did that happen? I mean, we've been saying it for years like it is so lame to be a liberal, but really like now they're seen as like the heartbeats. They're seen as the people who are just like the, the moralizers. Like you have to use these pronouns. You have to use these words. You have to believe this speech. You have to believe that two plus two equals five, that a man could become a woman and you're not a good person. And I love, at least it seems like it. I would love to know what's underneath these corporate changes. But on the individual level, on the cultural level, that so many people, including engineers z are like, I really don't care what you think. I really don't care what you think. I really don't. And you have no power over me. And I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who have been courageous, who have spoken the truth in love, and who have been willing to say not only these policies are lame. I know someone out there is going to be like, oh, that's rude. Okay, does this help? They're evil. Leftist policies are evil. The liberal worldview is actually evil. Evil. They're wicked and they cause death and destruction and chaos. And the Satan. And Satan is the author of those things. I think most liberals are very well meaning, but the policies that they support are destructive. And because I love my neighbor, I don't support left wing policies. And so it's actually very good that it is now seen as lame, as powerless, as impotent to have this kind of, like, leftist worldview and that corporations are like, I, I don't care what y'all say anymore. I'm not saying that these corporations are now virtuous or that you should go support them. I just think this indicates a shift in the culture, the vibe shift, if you will, that we should be thankful for. Meta, the parent company for Facebook and Instagram, also announced in early January that it is getting rid of its DEI program that includes hiring, training and picking vendors. Interesting. Joel Kaplan met his global policy chief, told Fox News Digital that the move will ensure that the company is building teams with the most talented people instead of making hiring decisions based on protected characteristics. Huh. Well, that is just a novel idea. I had no idea that what they should call that something. Is it like, is it, is it meritocracy? I don't know. I've never. This. You know what? I'm gonna have to fire my team because my, my entire team, I have had these quotas, these DEI quotas. I was like, I have to get someone with glasses. Okay, I got Bri. I have to get Catholic. I got Vince. Let's see. I have to. I, I don't know. I had. I have, like, a lot of different qualifications and quotas, my DEI quotas, and I met them all. But now that I know that this strange concept of just hiring people that are good at their jobs, that it exists out there because Mark Zuckerberg has introduced it to the world, now I can just completely rearrange my team. So pack up, y'all. On his first day in office, Trump signed an executive order aimed at ending DEI programs across the federal government. And again, that is a very, very good thing. However, there are some companies that are resisting this shift. And actually this company surprises me a little bit because I really enjoy this company. Yikes. Let me pause and tell you about our last sponsor for the day. 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Well, isn't that interesting because Tim Apple was at the inauguration. Do you remember when Trump called Tim Cook Tim Apple? I remember that. And now he will never be known as anything else. So people are boycotting Target on the left now, so we'll see who actually holds more sway. Target is being threatened with boycotts again, but this time from activists who are angry the retailer is dropping DEI programs. How dare you use merit to hire your employees. How dare you. Here is Al Sharpton, a totally sincere, truthful, genuine, down to earth guy saying that people should no longer shop at Target because you know Al Sharp Our Sharpton is always shopping. The McGee and Me and Magnolia brands there. Here's salt one.
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Bevelyn Williams
So that is why we will stand with those that stand with us. Costco's immediately stepped out and said that they will not back off dei. But today we are calling a buy in. I have bought 100 people $25 gift tickets. We're going shopping at Costco because they've stood with us. People that stand with us, we will stand with them.
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Ali Stuckey
Okay, so Al Sharpton is the reason why I can't buy my Mega Topa Chicos and my mega peanut butter anymore. He's standing there in front of Target. Bully or Costco bullying? Costco. Insane. They are not going to back back off their DEI initiatives. Did you even shop at Costco, Al Sharpton? I, for some reason, I just doubt that. Nina Turner, activist and former Ohio state senator is calling for a Target boycott starting on February 1st. Her post has 2.4 million views and 48, 000 likes. So she said this. Yesterday Target announced it was cutting their diversity, equity and inclusion programs, including a program that focused on carrying products from black and other minority companies. My organization, Strike for All, is calling for a boycott of Target starting February 1st. Target never said that they weren't going to carry products made by black people anymore. They just said, okay, we're not going to have this program that prioritizes them over other kinds of businesses. We're just going to, I guess, carry the products of the people that they want to work with no matter what their background is. And look, if you've got a good product and you've got a good company that Target wants to sell or Target wants a platform or Target wants to partner with, then I'm sure they will. So I don't understand boycotting because you want special treatment. However, I totally support your right to boycott. Obviously it would be very hypocritical if I didn't. So, yeah, vote with your dollar. I think that's totally fine. I am not yet going back to Target. I will say that I am going to wait. I'm going to wait until the month of June and if they have Happy NOAIC Covenant Month T shirts being sold in Target, then I might consider going back. But if they are still, if they are pushing the trans stuff, then I, I, I'm not, I'm not gonna go back. And again, they're, I mean they're making a very deliberate choice to try to push that upon children. And that's where I'm drawing the line with that. And I encourage you to as well. Like for the month of June. Just for the month of June. And I'll remind you, don't worry, I know it's only January for the month of June. I do encourage you to boycott Target if they are still pushing that nonsense. Um, we don't all have to boycott the same. I'm not someone who boycotts everything. I've told you that many times. And I don't expect everyone to boycott the same as me. We have to pick and choose where we vote with our dollar. And we still live in the modern world and all of that. And some people do, though. Some people completely boycott all of the companies that don't support their values. And I say yes and amen. Yes, and amen to that. But I will not judge you if you still shop at Target. But I will call us to solidarity in the month of June if they are still pushing that nonsense. And I promise you, like we have, we suburban moms, like, we have a. And a lot more sway when it comes to Target than Al Sharpton, Okay? He's not buying his trench coats at Target, I promise. We've got several other conservative commentators who are celebrating this. I said hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Haven't been to Target in a while, but that might change. So we'll see. Lots of good news. We've got so much more to talk about over the next couple days, so buckle up, everyone. We'll be back tomorrow.