Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

Episode 1254 | Jubilee Reaction: How to Debate 20 Liberal Christians
Date: October 15, 2025
Host: Allie Beth Stuckey, Blaze Podcast Network

Episode Overview

Allie Beth Stuckey kicks off this episode with an enthusiastic recap of her recent women’s conference, "Share the Arrows," before diving into her much-anticipated analysis of her appearance on the Jubilee YouTube show, where she debated 20 liberal Christians. The episode centers on lessons in debate, strategies for persuasive conversations, and the importance of both biblical conviction and relational kindness. Allie offers candid advice for Christians facing ideological opposition and reflects on her own experiences in debate settings and spiritual growth.

Share the Arrows Conference Recap (00:01–40:00)

Purpose & Highlights

• Second annual "Share the Arrows" Christian women’s conference in Dallas, Texas, with almost 7,000 attendees.
• Described as possibly "a revival," with time needed to see its spiritual fruit.
• Worship, teaching, prayer, and abundant mutual encouragement among women—regardless of whether they came alone or with friends.
• The event focused on Christ, biblical truth, and equipping women for bold living.

Notable Speakers & Insights

• Elisa Childers: Apologist noted for her honest struggle with the "fear of man."
  • Quote:

    “People say you’re so bold, and I just wanted to hang my head in shame and say, no, I’m not. No, I haven’t been. There have been times when I’ve held back out of fear of man … and I realized that the main thing I needed to repent of was fear of man, which is the opposite of the fear of the Lord.” (25:40)

• Katie Faust: Delivered clarity on the distinctions between mothers’ and fathers’ roles.
  • Quote:

    “It’s actually a physical depiction of the differences between mothers and fathers. … They have another parent that is conditioning the child to go out into the wide world and achieve and conquer and push.” (32:40)

• Ginger Duggar Volo: Warned against the idolatry of people-pleasing and the need for Christ-powered holiness.

Memorable Moments

• The presence of babies in the arena viewed as a "symphony” and a testament to life and community.
  • Quote:

    “I loved it. It didn’t distract me for a single second. It was like a symphony to me.” (13:40)

• Attendees sitting with strangers, caring for each other’s children, and forging new friendships.
  • Allie gets emotional:

    “The Lord sat you by just the right person and the person next to you held your baby and shushed your baby and maybe held you … it was just so special to see all of you there.” (16:10)

Testimonies from Attendees

• Recurring theme of not feeling alone in faith.
  • Testimony:

    “It truly felt like a glimpse of heaven. Being surrounded by so many like-minded women was completely surreal [and] filled me with so much hope.” (1:01:15)

• Stories of encouragement, healing, and spiritual conviction.

Cultural Impact

• Mainstream media coverage included Dallas Morning News, Washington Post, AP, NPR, Wall Street Journal, NYT.
• Allie recognizes the media’s tendency to paint it as a battleground for the "culture war," but she emphasizes the spiritual (not merely political) nature of the conference’s "fight."

Jubilee Debate Experience and Debating Advice (Starts ~1:10:00)

Background

• Jubilee is a YouTube channel known for episodes where one person debates 20–25 with opposing views.

• Allie participated in “1 Conservative Christian vs. 20 Liberal Christians”—her "exact niche," but an unfamiliar debate format for her.

• Inspired by advice and encouragement from Charlie Kirk, Elisa Childers, Natasha Crain, and Frank Turek.

  Charlie Kirk’s debate coaching:

  "It's really important to make sure to say, ‘Is that biblical? What's your standard? There’s a difference between describing and prescribing in the Old Testament.’" (1:18:45)

Surprises & Reflections

• The group was kinder and more civil than expected, with several expressing condolences for Charlie Kirk’s passing.
  • Quote:

    “I made it my aim – I’m going to out-compassion them and I’m going to out-love them and I’m going to out-kindness them … but truly, they did that to me too.” (1:24:00)

• Allie’s primary goal: NOT to "own" or "destroy" opponents, but to connect and persuade.

Allie’s Nine Debate Tips with Examples

1. Connection Without Compromise

• Show human empathy but maintain biblical truth.
  • Example: Asked about celibacy for gay Christians.

    “I think that we are all called to deny what the Bible calls sin ... all of us, every single Christian in one way or another, is called to take up our cross … That goes for all of us.” (1:29:15)

2. Define Your Terms

• Insist on mutual understanding of key definitions before arguments proceed.
  • Example: On abortion:

    “Can we agree that abortion is the intentional killing of a human inside the womb?”
    “I don't agree that abortion is murder.”
    “I said killing. Can we agree on that?” (1:36:00)

3. Always Go Back to Your Claim

• Maintain focus; don’t get sidetracked by tangents.
  • Example:

    “Let’s go back to my claim … do you think it’s possible to feel so deeply how someone feels that you end up affirming something bad and wrong and harmful and sinful in their life?” (1:40:25)

4. Avoid Rabbit Trails & Red Herrings

• Stay anchored in the main issue, even when others try to broaden or redirect the focus.
  • Quote:

    "That's a red herring. We can talk about what we should do for children outside the womb. … I don't see why your compassion for kids outside the womb stops just based on location or size or age." (1:42:45)

5. Concede Without Compromise

• Make minor clarifications to strengthen your argument, not weaken it.
  • Example: When challenged on "the Bible says marriage is one man and one woman," clarifies:

    "What I am claiming is that the Bible says that holy marriage, that good marriage, that right marriage, the marriage that God condones and calls holy, is only between one man and one woman." (1:49:12)

6. Get to the Core of Their Logic

• Push resistant perspectives to their logical conclusions to test consistency.
  • Example:

    “Say every single person in this country believed that transgenderism was right … except this one person … Would that person be a progressive?” (1:53:25)

7. Remain Calm Even When Others Aren’t

• Maintain steady, assertive energy but don’t escalate aggressive engagement.
  • Quote:

    “You can match their energy without matching their aggression.” (1:57:15)

8. You Don’t Need to Know Everything

• Admit gaps in knowledge gracefully, then steer back to your main point.
  • Quote:

    “It's okay if you don't know everything. Get back to the claim, get back to the core of the logic.” (1:59:30)

9. Know When to Let It Go

• Sometimes, agree to disagree when the impasse is clear.
  • Example: Conversation with an LDS ("Mormon") participant.

    “She goes on to say … we have gendered souls in heaven before we come to Earth … And then our conversation just ended because, okay, that is different than Christian theology …” (2:01:15)

Practical Apologetics Resources & Mindset (2:02:00–2:13:00)

• Recommends “Tactics” by Greg Koukl, Center for Biblical Unity, Elisa Childers, Mama Bear Apologetics, Red Pen Logic, Wes Huff.

• Learn principles and tactics, not just memorized arguments.

• You are a seed-planter, not the main character; trust God’s sovereignty for growth.

  Quote:

  “You are not trying to win every argument and every conversation … You are trying to advance the ball down the field a little bit more. You are trying to plant a seed.” (2:10:30)

• Allie credits parents, Christian education, and church upbringing for biblical knowledge and confidence in debate:

  “There was a lot of good to Awana, okay? There’s a lot of good to church camp, there’s a lot of good to youth group. … all of those things planted seeds and God uses them for the Rest of your life.” (2:12:15)

• Conservatives are often more prepared for debate because their worldviews are constantly challenged, unlike progressives.

Tone and Disposition in Debate (2:13:00–2:16:00)

• Tone policing can sometimes distract from substance, but tone still matters for persuasion.
  • Analogy: “Banana soup vs banana pudding – same ingredients, but the texture is different. … You want to make sure the texture of what you’re saying matches the content of what you’re saying without compromise.”

Closing: Quick Response to Trump’s Comments on Heaven (2:16:30–End)

• Allie plays and responds to Donald Trump’s recent joke/comments about not knowing if he’ll get into heaven.
  • Quote:

    “All of us are too sinful to get into heaven because all of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. … Salvation is a gift, Mr. President.” (2:18:45)

• Urges prayer for all leaders to come to true faith.

Key Quotes & Timestamps

• “You are not trying to win every argument and every conversation … You are trying to advance the ball down the field a little bit more. You are trying to plant a seed.” (2:10:30)
• "I made it my aim – I’m going to out compassion them and I’m going to out love them and I’m going to out kindness them and we'll see how it goes. But the truth is they, for the most part ... did that to me too." (1:24:00)
• “There was a lot of good to Awana, okay? There’s a lot of good to church camp, there’s a lot of good to youth group.” (2:12:15)
• “Tone policing is annoying … but at the same time, tone doesn’t not matter. Tone does matter. Your disposition matters.” (2:13:40)
• “[Charlie Kirk said:] For your Jubilee thing, it's really important to make sure to say, ‘Is that biblical? What's your standard?’” (1:18:45)

Segment Timestamps

• Share the Arrows recap: 00:01–1:01:15
• Attendee testimonies & media coverage: 1:01:15–1:10:00
• Jubilee background & prep: 1:10:00–1:29:00
• Debate tips with examples: 1:29:00–2:01:30
• Practical resources & apologetics mindset: 2:02:00–2:13:00
• Tone in debate: 2:13:00–2:16:00
• Closing/Trump commentary: 2:16:30–End

Summary prepared by podcast summarizer – for listeners who missed the episode and want a comprehensive understanding of the conversation, strategies, and tone.