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Ep 1273 | Autism Fraud, Islamic Corruption & a Crucial Tennessee Election
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Coca Cola for the big, for the small, the short and the tall. Peacemakers, risk takers for the optimists, pessimists for long distance love for introverts and extroverts, the thinkers and the doers for old friends and new Coca Cola for everyone. Pick up some Coca Cola at a store near you. President Trump is calling out the toxic empathy that contributed to the tragedy in D.C. last week, as well as the widespread Somali corruption in the state of Minnesota. Also, Tennessee, you've got a big election tomorrow. Let's look at who is vying for this seat in the seventh district of Tennessee. All right, we've got that and so much more on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to good good ranchers.com use code Ali at checkout. That's goodranchers.com code Ally. Hey guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so far, that your week is off to a great start. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We had a nice little break over in Relatable land. We did have two new episodes come out, but we recorded those before the holiday week and so we got to take a good break. We're feeling rejuvenated and we have so much to talk about. As ever, God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. I reminded you of this on Thanksgiving on Instagram and X because, gosh, the news feels dark and we're going to get into some of that today. So important for us to understand and to navigate and to push back against the darkness as Christians and especially as moms raising kids in this very often scary world. But it's important to remember that this is our Father's world, that we should never forget that though the wrong seems off so strong, he is the ruler. Yet, as you guys know, that's my favorite hymn. I have to remind myself so often of God's sovereignty. Whatever is going on with you personally, whatever is going on politically, whatever is going on in your life professionally, whatever is going on anywhere, God is never surprised by it. He's never taken aback by it. And Romans 8 reminds us that he works all things, that's all things together for the good of those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. So even the things that we do not understand, even all of the things that seem completely hopeless and void of any benefit, God even works those things together for good. And ultimately he will win. One day. There will be no more Confusion, no more chaos, no more sin, no more gender confusion, no more deception, no more propaganda, no more abortion, no more murder, no more violence. And Jesus will rule in perfect peace. We have that to look forward to. But we are here in this now, in this present temporal moment. We are placed here by a God who does nothing arbitrarily. And our purpose, of course, is to glorify God because. But that means in our lives, both in big and small ways, in private and in public ways, pushing back against the darkness, confronting the lies of this world with truth. And very often the lies of this world don't look like lies. They don't look like evil. They don't look like objective witness wickedness, but just like Satan who disguises himself as an angel of light. Lies sound good. Destruction sounds good. Danger, both to ourselves, to our communities, to our country sometimes actually looks like empathy. And you see the media is very angry again. Still, maybe still again, I'm not sure. The book Toxic Empathy that I wrote came out in October 2024 and I feel like actually the anger and the ire just around the title and the premise of the book and has only grown stronger. It seems like every month there is some new article by some journalist who feels that they are uncovering my book Toxic Empathy and that they have found this trend that's happening on the right. But as I said, of course this is not new. And before I wrote the book, before by the Grace of God, it became a New York Times bestseller. I was talking about this and I'm not the only one. People have been talking about the weaponization of compassion in different realms for quite a while. Paul Bloom was is a Yale psychologist coming from a secular perspective who wrote I believe back in 2016, a book called Against Empathy. And from his professional and scholarly perspective, a hyper fixation on empathy actually makes people more cruel to the out group and in the name of protecting a perceived victim actually is extremely exclusive and unfeeling and calloused to towards those that are perceived to be against this perceived victim. And so my book, from a Christian perspective, simply spoke about the truth that the progressive media and progressive politicians and activists capitalize upon Christian compassion and manipulate our sincere desire to be loving and kind to convince us to to support progressive policies that ultimately are really bad for our country, for ourselves, for the very people that the media claims to want to help. That is true when it comes to abortion, it's true when it comes to immigration, it's true when it comes to gender, it's true when it comes to sexuality and sexual identity. It's true when it comes to crime, it's true when it comes to Covid, it's true when it comes to climate. The argument is if you do not latch on to the progressive perspective on these things, you are a bad person and you hate your neighbor. But it's not true. It's a lie. Their policies actually have deleterious outcomes, but Axios feels that they are highlighting this, I guess, in a novel way. There was an article that came out yesterday by a journalist named Russell Contreras. He wrote empathy is the New Christian Battleground. And there's nothing much wrong with this article. I will say it's pretty straightforward. He talks about some other people who have been speaking about this, namely Elon Musk, who is on Joe Rogan's podcast, Pastor Joe Rigney. He also wrote a book about this subject that came out a little bit after mine. And then he quotes me. I spoke on Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk podcast in 2024, and I said, empathy, hoisted up as the highest virtue, or even a virtue at all, gets us into a really big mess. Which of course is absolutely true, because empathy is powerful. And my argument is, and has always been, that it can lead you in a good direction or it can lead you in a bad direction. It can lead you towards kindness and love, although it's not kindness and love in its own. Or it can lead you to supporting stupid policies and stupid positions. It can lead you to affirming sin, it can lead you to validate lies, and it can lead you to support destructive policies. And I believe when it comes to progressive policies, that's exactly what it's done. And this article quotes some other people who have another perspective on empathy. For example, a Catholic priest, Brandon Booth, says, in the Christian tradition, to have anybody argue that a spirit of empathy is somehow a vulnerability is insane. It is actually. That's actually a perfect way to put it. Putting empathy first is a vulnerability. It makes you vulnerable to lies, it makes you vulnerable to stupidity, because you think that you are supporting these things in the name of love, but really it's just because you feel so deeply how a person feels, which is not the same as love. God gets to define love, and he does in First Corinthians 13:6. Love, among other things, never rejoices in wrongdoing or, but rejoices in the truth. That means that love, defined by the God who is love, 1st John 4:8, is inextricably intertwined with the truth. So you can't actually Love someone and tell them that they were born in the wrong body. That's a lie. You can't love someone and call a man a woman or a boy she. You can't love someone and advocate for the murder of an innocent baby inside the womb. You can't love someone and support open borders which leads to chaos both for the, for the countries of origin and our country here. You can't love someone and support the soft on crime policies that lead to more death and danger. You can't love someone and deny a child their right to their mother and father by redefining marriage. You can't love someone by supporting sin and telling people lies. It's just not possible. You can feel empathy for them and support lies, but you can't truly love them. And Christians aren't just called to empathy with, we are called to love no matter how we feel about someone. Um, but you know Salon magazine, which is a far left extreme outlet that says all this ridiculous stuff. In fact, I will read you some headlines in just a minute from this author named Amanda who wrote an article about me. Um, and it's called Maga's War on Empathy was started by a woman, Ali Beth Stucky weaponizes her gender to sell the idea of a cold hearted Jesus. Okay, so she talks about how Elon Musk and Gad Sad have talked about this, what they call suicidal empathy. Elon Musk said the fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. And yes, that is true because we are fundamentally, whether we acknowledge it or not, a Christian nation. But as we've become less Christian and trying to hold on to Christian values, we've perverted them. So we've let go of this truth and love dichotomy that we are actually called to that Jesus embodied himself and we, we've taken on this like superficial form of feeling which is empathy. I mean it's the same thing. Like we want to hold on to the generosity that Christians are called to, but we don't want to do the hard thing of actually voluntarily emptying out our pockets. And so we support a welfare state and we call that Christian love. But again that's just a perversion of Christian love. And it's the same thing with toxic empathy. But this woman is especially mad that I am a woman talking about, about this. She says fundamentalist Christian influencer. I would love for all of these people to define their terms. What is fundamentalist? What does that mean? Ali Bestek, he doesn't see empathy as a failure of evolution because I guess Gad Sad and others do, as a creationist who denies the scientific reality of prehistoric dinosaurs. Now, Amanda, would a girl who denies the existence of prehistoric dinosaurs have a daddy long neck right there? Does that sound like me, Amanda? And a stegosaurus right there. And a Triceratops, also known as Baby Bop right there. Amanda, seriously, you've gotten this wrong. Dinosaurs are. They're our mascot here at Relatable because we believe in them so much. I believe in them more than I believe in Santa Claus saying, ho ho ho. I believe in dinosaurs because everyone knows that when you see a bone in the ground, you just know that pterodactyl sounds like. You can just tell. You just know it. You can see it. That's just how it works. Okay? And you know that they have purple and blue scales and little short arms and ran really fast. It's just obvious, Amanda. Why would anyone question that? But just for some homework, you should look up the skeleton of a hippo or a monkey or a chicken and you should just tell me what you think that. What you think that looks like. But I don't know why you would even say this. We have never, ever, ever denied the scientific reality of prehistoric dinosaurs. I love them so much because I know that they all looked like Barney. Okay, we've got more to get into Amanda in just a second. And we've got so much else to talk about today when it comes to toxic empathy. But I found this hit piece in my lap this morning. I had to talk about it. Let me pause, tell you about our first sponsor for the day, and that is, of course, We Heart Nutrition. I love We Heart Nutrition. It gives me the energy to talk about dinosaur source because I've got my immunity supplement that I've been taking that I think has kept my cold at bay for a long time. This cold has been trying to get my immune system down. But this immunity vitamin that's filled with C and D, vitamin C and D and zinc and selenium and so many other good things has really helped me stay healthy and hopefully will through this holiday season. I've also started taking their probiotic, which has been amazing. I think it's made me feel really good. Just helps with digestion and things like that. And of course, I continue to take their prenatals and their omega 3s and their iron supplements. Magnesium. It's also good. It helps me feeling and looking my best with my. With my hair and my nails growing at extraordinary rates. So make sure that you get your supplements from We Heart Nutrition. They're an amazing Christian family owned company that we love so much. Go to We Heart Nutrition.com use code ALI. You'll get 20% off your order. That's We Heart Nutrition.com code ALI. Now, speaking of my hair, Amanda really makes it personal. Okay? She points this out and I just have to say this is not the first time that I've gotten critiques like this. Okay? The Relatable set is not safe. She already came for the dinosaurs, but now she says this Relatable is a try hard name. Actually, I did not try hard to come up with it, if that helps at all. It's. It is relatable. It's relatable to thousands of women. Thankfully, hundreds of thousands of women. And she does say somewhere that this relatable, that this podcast is only talking to men, which is hilarious because I could show her some numbers. It is like 95% women. And that's why we had 7,000 women show up in Dallas. Dallas, Texas, just a couple months ago. This is a women's podcast. Just maybe not for Amanda yet, but I don't know. God could save her. The logos font relatable is straight out of Mid Century Woman's Magazine. I didn't even try to do that. Alexander, the designer of this. Did you. Did you do that on purpose? Stucky has soft blonde hair. Okay, Fact check. True. And favors pastels in her clothing and decorations. Now, this is just. That's just hate speech. Anyone who knows me knows that I am an autumn. I do not. I do not wear pastels. My background is black. This is chocolate brown. White is not a pastel. But I do just want to point out, because you guys can't see this when you see my set, that I have this cross stitch right here. One of my prized possessions that we put up in our set that says past Pastel Hate Influencer. Now, Pastel Hate Influencer is some relatable lore that comes from this tweet from three years ago from a man who believes that he's a woman who writes for Media Matters, who said pastel hate. President Trump is calling out the toxic empathy that contributed to the tragedy in D.C. last week, as well as the widespread Somali corruption in the state of Minnesota. Also, Tennessee, you've got a big election tomorrow. Let's look at who is vying for this seat in the seventh district of Tennessee. All right, we've got that and so much more on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to good ranchers.com use code Ali at checkout. That's good. Ranchers.com code Ally. Hey guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so far. That your week is off to a great start. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We had a nice little break over in Relatable land. We did have two new episodes come out, but we recorded those before the holiday week and so we got to take a good break. We're feeling rejuvenated and we have so much to talk about. As ever, God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. I reminded you of this on Thanksgiving on Instagram, Graham and X because, gosh, the news feels dark and we're going to get into some of that today. So important for us to understand and to navigate and to push back against the darkness as Christians and especially as moms raising kids in this very often scary world. But it's important to remember that this is our Father's world, that we should never forget that though the wrong seems off so strong, he is the ruler. Yet, as you guys know, that's my favorite hymn. I have to remind myself so often of God's sovereignty. Whatever is going on with you personally, whatever is going on politically, whatever is going on in your life professionally, whatever is going on anywhere, God is never surprised by it. He's never taken aback by it. And Romans 8 reminds us that he works all things, that's all things together for the good of those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. So even the things that we do not understand, even all of the things that seem complex, completely hopeless, and void of any benefit, God even works those things together for good. And ultimately he will win. One day there will be no more confusion, no more chaos, no more sin, no more gender confusion, no more deception, no more propaganda, no more abortion, no more murder, no more violence. And Jesus will rule in perfect peace. We have that to look forward to. But we are here in this now, in this present temporal moment. We are placed here by a God who does nothing arbitrarily. And our purpose, of course, is to glorify God. But that means in our lives, both in big and small ways, in private and in public ways, pushing back against the darkness, confronting the lies of this world with truth. And very often, the lies of this world don't look like lies. They don't look like evil. They don't look like objective witness, wickedness. But just like Satan, who disguises himself as an angel of light. Lies sound good. Destruction sounds good. Danger, both to ourselves, to our communities, to our country, sometimes actually looks like empathy. And you see the media is very angry Again, still, maybe still again, I'm not sure. The book Toxic Empathy that I wrote came out in October 2024, and I feel like actually the anger and the ire just around the title and the premise of the book has only grown stronger. It seems like every month there is some new article by some journalist who feels that they are uncovering my book Toxic Empathy, and that they have found this trend that's happening on the right. But as I said, of course, this is not new. And before I wrote the book, before by the Grace of God, it became a New York Times bestseller, I was talking about this, and I'm not the only one. People have been talking about the weaponization of compassion in different realms for quite a while. Paul Bloom was, is a Yale psychologist coming from a secular perspective who wrote, I believe, back in 2016, a book called Against Empathy. And from his professional and scholarly perspective, a hyper fixation on empathy actually makes people more cruel to the out group and in the name of protecting a perceived victim, actually is extremely exclusive and unfeeling and calloused towards those that are perceived to be against this perceived victim. And so my book, from a Christian perspective simply spoke about the truth that the progressive media and progressive politicians and activists capitalize upon Christian compassion and manipulate our sincere desire to be loving and kind to convince us to. To support progressive policies that ultimately are really bad for our country, for ourselves, for the very people that the media claims to want to help. That is true when it comes to abortion, it's true when it comes to immigration, it's true when it comes to gender, it's true when it comes to sexuality and sexual identity, it's true when it comes to crime, it's true when it comes to Covid, it's true when it comes to climate. The argument is if you do not latch on to the progressive perspective on these things, you are a bad person and you hate your neighbor. But it's not true. It's a lie. Their policies actually have deleterious outcomes. But Axios feels that they are highlighting this, I guess, in a novel way. There was an article that came out yesterday by a journalist named Russell Contreras. He wrote empathy is the new Christian battleground. And there's nothing much wrong with this article. I will say it's pretty straightforward. He talks about some other people who have been speaking about this, namely Elon Musk, who is on Joe Rogan's podcast, Pastor Joe Rigney. He also wrote a book about this subject that came out a little bit after mine. And then he quotes me. I spoke on Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk podcast in 2024, and I said, empathy, hoisted up as the highest virtue or even a virtue at all, gets us into a really big mess. Which of course is absolutely true, because empathy is powerful. And my argument is, and has always been, that it can lead you in a good direction or it can lead you in a bad direction. It can lead you towards kindness and love, although it's not kindness and love in its own. Or it can lead you to supporting stupid policies and stupid positions, it can lead you to affirming sin, it can lead you to validate lies, and it can lead you to support destructive policies. And I believe when it comes to progressive policies, that's exactly what it's done. And this article quotes some other people who have another perspective on empathy. For example, a Catholic priest, Brandon Booth, says in the Christian tradition, to have anybody argue that a spirit of empathy is somehow a vulnerability is instead saying it is actually that's actually a perfect way to put it. Putting empathy first is a vulnerability. It makes you vulnerable to lies, it makes you vulnerable to stupidity. Because you think that you are supporting these things in the name of love, but really it's just because you feel so deeply how a person feels, which is not the same as love. God gets to define love, and he does in 1 Corinthians 13:6. Love, among other things, never rejoices in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. That means that love, defined by the God who is love first John 4:8, is inextricably intertwined with the truth. So you can't actually love someone and tell them that they were born in the wrong body. That's a lie. You can't love someone and call a man a woman or a boy. She you can't love someone and advocate for the murder of an innocent baby inside the you can feel empathy for them and support lies, but you can't truly love them. And Christians aren't just called to empathy with we are called to love no matter how we feel about someone. But you know Salon magazine, which is a far left extreme outlet that says all this ridiculous stuff. In fact, I will read you some headlines in just a minute from this author named Amanda, who wrote an article about me, and it's called Maga's War on Empathy was started by a woman, Ali Beth Stucky, weaponizes her gender to sell the idea of a cold Hearted Jesus. Okay, so she talks about how Elon Musk and Gad Sad have talked about this. What they call. They're not a Christian nation. But as we've become less Christian and trying to hold on to Christian values, we've perverted them. So we've let go of this truth and love dichotomy that we are actually called to, that Jesus embodied himself and we. We've taken on this, like, superficial form of feeling, which is empathy. I mean, it's the same thing. Like, we want to hold on to the generosity that Christians are called to, but we don't want to do the hard thing of actually voluntarily emptying out our pockets. And so we support a welfare state and we call that Christian love. But again, that's just a perversion of Christian love. And it's the same thing with toxic empathy. But this woman is especially mad that I am a woman talking about, about this. She says, fundamentalist, Christian influencer. I would love for all of these people to define their terms. What is fundamentalist? What does that mean? Ali Bestek, he doesn't see empathy as a failure of evolution because I guess Gad Sad and others do as a creationist who denies the scientific reality of prehistoric dinosaurs. Now, Amanda, would a girl who denies the existence of prehistoric dinosaurs have a daddy long neck right there? Does that sound like me, Amanda? And a Stegosaurus right there. And a Triceratops, also known as Baby Bop right there. Amanda, seriously, you've gotten this wrong. Dinosaurs, they're our mascot here at Relatable because we believe in them so much. I believe in them more than I believe in Santa Claus saying, ho, ho ho. I believe in dinosaurs because everyone knows that when you see a bone in the ground, you just know that pterodactyl sounds like. You can just tell. You just know it. You can see it. That's just how it works. Okay? And you know that they have purple and blue scales and little short arms and ran really fast. It's just obvious, Amanda. Why would anyone question that? But just for some homework, you should look up the skeleton of a hippo or a monkey or a chicken, and you should just tell me what you think that. What you think that looks like. But I don't know why you would even say this. We have never, ever, ever denied the scientific reality of prehistoric dinosaurs. I love them so much because I know that they all looked like Barney. Okay, we've got more to get into Amanda in just a second. And we've got so much else to talk about today when it Comes to toxic empathy. But I found this hit piece in my lap this morning. I had to talk about it. Let me pause tell you about our first sponsor for the day and that is of course, We Heart Nutrition. I love We Heart Nutrition. It gives me the energy to talk about dinosaurs because I've got my immunity supplement that I've been taking that I think has kept my cold at bay for a long time. This cold has been trying to get my immune system down. But this immunity vitamin that's filled with C and D, vitamin C and D and zinc and selenium and so many other good things has really helped me stay healthy and hopefully will through this holiday season. I've also started taking their probiotic, which has been amazing. I think it's made me feel really good. Just helps with digestion and things like that. And of course, I continue to take their prenatals and their omega 3s and their iron supplements. Magnesium. It's also good. It helps me feeling and looking my best with my, with my hair and my nails growing at extraordinary rates. So make sure that you get your supplements from We Heart Nutrition. They're an amazing Christian family owned company that we love so much. Go to weheartnutrition.com use code ALI. You'll get 20% off your order. That's sweetheartnutrition.com code ALI. Now, speaking of my hair, Amanda really makes it personal, okay? She points this out and I just have to say this is not the first time that I've gotten critiques like this, okay? The relatable set is not safe. She already came for the dinosaurs, but now she says this relatable is a try hard name. Actually, I did not try hard to come up with it, if that helps at all. It's. It is relatable. It's relatable to thousands of women. Thankfully, hundreds of thousands of women. And she does say somewhere that this relatable, that this podcast is only talking to men, which is hilarious because I could show her some numbers. It is like 95% women. And that's why we had 7,000 women show up in Dallas, Texas just a couple months ago. This is a women's podcast. Just maybe not for Amanda yet, but I don't know. God could save her. The logos font relatable is straight out of Mid Century Woman's magazine. I didn't even try to do that. Alexander, the designer of this, did you, did you do that on purpose? Stucky has soft blonde hair, okay? Fact, tech true. And favors pastels in her clothing and decor. Now this is just. That's just hate speech. Anyone who knows me knows that I am an autumn. I do not. I do not wear pastels. My background is black. This is chocolate brown. White is not a pastel. But I do just want to point out, because you guys, you can't see this when you see my set, that I have this cross stitch right here. One of my prized possessions that we put up in our set that says Pastel hate Influencer. Now, Pastel hate Influencer is some relatable lore that comes from this tweet from three years ago from a man who believes that he's a woman who writes for Media Matters who said pastel hate influencer. Ali Besteki shared a list of alternate words instead of groomer to hurl at LGBTQ people on Twitter with her listeners today, doubling down on maliciously portraying queer people as a threat to children. No, no, no, no. Not queer people, just pedophiles. That's it. That I was actually talking just about people who groom children. I think it's weird that you conflated those two things, but the link was to an article from Media Matters, and Media matters said in 2022, Stuckey's bright pink Twitter header, Instagrammable set decorations that thank you and aesthetic podcast apparel are in stark relief against the backdrop of the virulently anti LGBTQ rhetoric that fuels her extremist right wing world view. Okay, so these people. So that's where this comes from. This beautiful cross stitch right here. Pastel hate influencer. Again, no pastels. But these people have a hard time with the aesthetic. I guess they believe that. I don't know. It's supposed to be harsh that it's supposed. I'm supposed to look like Biden did a couple years ago with the, like, red light backdrop behind him. I'm not really sure what they think that I should be communicating with my aesthetic. Even Cosmo in July 2025 said started this article saying. In the recording studio, Ali Beth Stuckey sits on a cream sofa, her blonde hair perfectly tousled. She leans into the microphone and speaks. I'm loving. I'm loving the hair descriptions. I'm loving that they are pointing those things out as something that is nefarious. Later in this article, she says, I have fascistic views somehow believing in free speech, believing that you shouldn't die for preaching the gospel or saying things that are true the way that my friend Charlie Kirk did. Like believing that people should have freedom of religious expression. I believing that men can't be women, believing that women shouldn't be slaughtered inside the womb believing that parents have a right to raise and protect their child and that the child doesn't belong to the school or to the state. I guess those are fascistic beliefs. But I'm sure that this woman, Amanda is a bastion of liberty and courage. And I took a screenshot of some of the other articles that she's written. Why JD Vance and Erica Kirk's Hug Made Tongues Wag. Gross. Usha Vance doesn't do dishes, so why the wedding ring excuse? This is just kind of who she is. She has, like a real problem with women who don't fall in line with her extremist, progressive, pro baby killing, pro men in girls bathrooms ideology. And she's really angry that someone like me, who represents a huge demographic of Christian women exists. She's like, very, very bothered by it. And so she wants you to think that this feminine aesthetic is a cover for something actually nefarious. And, and I hate to break it to her and all of these people that have such a hard time with this, but it's just genuine. I really am just a wife and a mom trying to navigate the craziness of this world with as much clarity as the Bible gives me as I can possibly muster. And thankfully, there are so many of you who do relate to it. And not everyone has to agree with us. Of course. That's just going to be. That's just, that's just reality. But when you have someone who is so darkened in their understanding, whose heart is so hard, you just have to pray for them. You really do. And I think Amanda would probably hate it if we all prayed for her, but we should. And I don't mean that sarcastically. I don't mean that tritely at all. Like, I, I genuinely mean that, not pray that she would start listening to relatable and become a related girl. By the way, I think I like that better than related gal. I think I'm going to test that out. Um, but that truly Jesus would save her. Like, if you look at the writings that she has, she is actually the one that is, like, very angry, very resentful, very bitter, very deeply disturbed. And like, let's just pray that Jesus, like, frees her from that and softens her heart towards the truth. That's the best thing that we can do. And actually that's what Jesus asks us to do for our enemies. It's easy to pray for our friends. It's easy to love our friends. Um, but it's much harder to be kind to and pray for and truly want the best for people who position themselves as their enemies. So let's pray for these people. Let's pray for the people at Media Matters, the people at Cosmo, the people at Salon. They really, really need it, truly. Um, okay. The truth is, though, is that we are over the target. That is why this is happening. Uh, we are over the target when it comes to toxic empathy. Progressives don't want us to talk about this because this is the sharpest sword that they have in their weaponry. Like, this is the best tool they have in their toolkit. It's not facts, it's not data, it's not persuasive debate tactics. We know that that's not the case. It is the weaponization of your empathy for the purpose of carrying out their causes. And that is exactly what is behind all of the chaos that centers on Muslim migration and violent crime that has really, really hurt our country and has hurt our community. So we're going to talk about some of that and we're going to get into an election that's happening in Tennessee that also has to do with toxic empathy. So I want to talk about this horrific story of the National Guard soldiers. What does this have to do with toxic empathy? We'll get into that. But first, let me tell you what happened. Two West Virginia National Guard soldiers that were deployed to Washington D.C. and Trump's crackdown on crime were shot by an Afghan national on Wednesday, November 26th. So right before Thanksgiving, this was 20 year old Sarah Bergstrom who died the following day. Just so awful. Her dad posted about this, just missing his little girl. Absolutely devastating. And 24 year old Andrew Wolf who was in critical condition and fighting for his life. So everyone please pray for Andrew Wolf. We've put his picture up there. That is according to West Virginia Representative Riley Moore, that he is still in critical condition. So please pray for him. Pray for Sarah's family. Pray for his family. According to law a law enforcement source, the suspect allegedly shouted Allahu Akbar before firing at the victims. This is according to journalist Julio Rosas. The suspect was injured when other National Guard soldiers returned fire. He was immediately taken into custody, transported to a hospital. Hospital, yeah, there's this picture of him. He's like almost naked on this stretcher. Just so. The whole thing, just so awful. We don't know about his medical condition. Honestly, I hope he lives for a couple reasons. I want him to repent and to know Jesus because eternity is a really long time to spend in hell. And I also want justice to be carried out like death at like in this way, in a comfortable hospital bed would be a mercy. And of course, the state needs to pursue the death penalty and that should be carried out very quickly. That's how we used to do things. We used to execute proven murders very quickly. That is actually mercy and that is actually justice. The only reason that the death penalty, quote unquote, doesn't work into Turing crime, which I don't even know necessarily if that's true, is because we don't do it quickly enough. We do it way too arbitrarily. There is no confidence that any killer has that they are going to be executed. They're probably going to get a climate controlled cell with three square meals and exercise and hobbies for the next 50 years. And so it's just not worth it for them to not carry out the murder that they want to carry out. We need to make the cost of murdering someone really high. Duh. I shouldn't have to be arguing for that. On a podcast, Secretary of Homeland Security Krisni Noem said the shooter may have been radicalized, actually not in Afghanistan, but here in the US Here's Kristi Noem saying that.
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Secretary Noem, thank you for joining us. Have we learned any, have you learned anything about the motivations of this shooter? Why did he do this? Why did he drive across the country and carry out this brazen attack in Washington?
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Well, the investigation is still ongoing and we're allowing our partnership with the FBI and DOJ to continue to reveal all of the sources of motivation. But we do believe this individual, when they came into the country, we know he was unvetted. He was brought into the country by the Biden administration through Operation Allies welcome. And then maybe vetted after that, but not done well, based on what the guidelines were put forward by President Biden. And now since he's been here, we believe he could have been radicalized in his home community and in his home state. So as we continue to talk to his family and his contacts, more details will be revealed and we'll release those when it's appropriate. But this is something that for these individuals, when they're brought into our country, it's a dangerous situation if you don't know who they are, if they're coming from a country that's not stable and doesn't have a government that can help you vet them, that we shouldn't allow it. And that's why I'm so grateful that President Trump has taken the action that he's taken the last few days. To stop all asylum, to stop all processes that bring people into this country until we ensure that we know who these people are.
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So let's talk about why the shooter is here in the first place. How did this person who is not a citizen, who is from Afghanistan, a military aged male who obviously has very extremist beliefs and violent tendencies, why is he here in our nation capital? Well, we got to go back all the way to 2021 when Joe Biden was president to understand that. Let me pause before we get into that and tell you about my next sponsor for the day. It is Good Ranchers. Go to Ranchers is exactly what you need for this holiday season. We want to make sure that we are making it a good end of year for American farmers and ranchers. They just have such a hard time because of the regulations that have been put in place by so many different administrations that make it really easy for foreign companies to import their meat or to export their meat here and for us to sell that meat at a much cheaper price. And that just makes it so difficult for American farms and ranches to compete. 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After American forces with Drew In 2021, the Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital city, Kabul on August 15th of that year, effectively winning the war in Afghanistan. After facing intense criticism for the deaths of 13 U.S. service members during the withdrawal, President Biden immediately blamed the collapse on Donald Trump and Donald Trump's foreign policy. Of course, Trump was not president at that time. $7 billion of military equipment the US gave to the Afghan government was left behind and ended up in the hands of the Taliban, which of course could very easily be used against us and our Allies. Biden ordered the Department of Homeland Security to bring in vulnerable Afghans who worked with various US Government entities, including the CIA. So this suspect apparently had worked with the CIA in Afghanistan, and that's how he was able to come over here. In this program that's called Operation Allies welcome, it granted Afghans two year humanitarian parole with no permanent immigration status. Now, you might be wondering, okay, but it's 2023, or it would have been 2023 when that expired. So why in 2025 is this person still, still here? Well, after roughly one year oaw, that is the operation allies welcome transition into the longer term, Operation Enduring welcome combined resettled almost 200,000 Afghans in the U.S. now, hopefully, all of these people from Afghanistan were well vetted, right? Probably not. A 2024 DHS Inspector General report confirmed data inaccuracies in some evacuee files. Every person who came in under this program is supposed to have something called an A number or an alien number. But this report found at least one occasion of two different individuals sharing the same A number or there were multiple alien numbers assigned to one individual. Another example that was highlighted, ICE records had two different spellings for an OAW parolees name with a different A number assigned to each spelling. We have no idea how often that happened. There was simply just no way to track these people or to even know their background. Because to do a background check, you have to at least somewhat rely on Afghanistan and their officials to tell us the truth about these people. Can we rely on our enemies? No. A June 2025 DOJ report stated the need to immediately evacuate Afghans overtook the normal processes required to determine whether individuals attempting to enter the United States pose a threat to national security, which increased the risk that bad actors could try to exploit the expedited evacuation. And of course, that is always what we are weighing. I understand the argument that, look, these people helped us over there, so we should try to prioritize getting them to safety. Okay, that may be a priority, but it's got to be weighed against the safety and security of the people that you actually are tasked to govern. Whose interest in well being should come first. That is the righteous responsibility of any government to put the well being, the security and the interests of its own people first. Well, in this case, they decided that these people that we are not actually tasked to govern are more important. Their security is more important than the security of American citizens. We see that trade off happening over and over again, especially when a Democrat is in office. The same report that we were Just talking about revealed that 55 OAW evacuees were later identified on US terrorism watch lists. It's exciting. That's great. So this particular suspect had been living in Washington, had no prior criminal. Washington State had no prior criminal record. The suspect's government file claimed he underwent biometric and biographic screening. Apparently didn't have any disqualifying information in his background. Now, it is important because you're going to see people. See people say this. He applied for asylum in December 2024 and was granted it on April 23, 2025. Okay, so this is three months into the Trump administration. So the Trump administration has got to figure out how exactly this happened, why this person was granted asylum. Now, if it's true that he didn't have anything in his background and he was trying to go through legal means, that's not necessarily nefarious that he was granted asylum. People do have the legal ability to do that in that, that's fine. But it is important to note that part of this happened under the Trump administration. Leaked emails even show that refugee agencies and state services were actually warned that the suspect had been spiraling into mania since March of 2023, but no effective action, no effective action was taken before the attack. This is according to the New York Post. Now, why did the people in the Trump administration, or the people who are responsible for this, they may not have been hired by Trump at all of granting him asylum. Like, why did they not know that a neighbor had repeatedly contacted the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, uscri claiming that the suspect had become not functional as a person, a father or provider, that he had been abandoning his family, that his children were seemingly abandoned, that he would take the car and just abandon everyone for days and weeks on end. These organizations who were supposed to be kind of like vetting and tracking these refugees, they didn't do their job. They did nothing. So, as almost always, there were signs. There were signs. And the people who are responsible for noting these signs and taking them to the right people, they didn't do their job. Now, was it incompetent? Was it malice? Was it political ideology? Was it toxic empathy? That organizations like this just ignore the danger that some migrants and some refugees bring to the country? It's probably a combination. It's really easy to just believe kind of the emotional rhetoric that, well, we're helping refugees, we're helping people who are in harm's way, we're helping allies. Everyone wants that. I want that, and I think it's okay. Of course it's good to have that kind of compassion, but we have to be more thoughtful than that. Every policy, every decision that is made by people in power is a trade off. Every single one, whether it's COVID policy or anything else. You're asking what are the benefits? What are the risk? Who is this harming? Who is this helping? What outweighs what? And when it comes to this, the risks outweighed the benefits for the American people. So here are some other crimes committed by resettling Afghans. Two Afghan nationals were charged with plotting an ISIS inspired attack to disrupt the 2024 election in Oklahoma City. Another Afghan evacuee was arrested in Texas for posting a TikTok video featuring bomb instructions. That happened very recently. He said he was going to blow up a building in Fort Worth. There was an attempted sexual act with a minor, assaulted multiple minors at base, charged federally to eight years in prison, according to the doj. There was also, according to the Washington Times, a rape of an 18 year old woman in a Montana hotel by an Afghan national. Domestic assaults threatened to this man threatened to send his wife back to the Taliban. Multiple domestic violence and child assault cases at bases, some charges reduced to misdemeanors, according to Fox News. And I know people are gonna say, well you know, this is not just this group. You're just demonizing this group because they don't look like you or whatever that, you know, American citizens and white people. And they commit crimes. Of course people of all nationalities, citizenship statuses and skin colors commit crimes. That's not the point. The point is that these people aren't supposed to be here. And we do already have homegrown criminals. Why would we add to our criminal statistics by bringing people in who should not here let's deal with the crimes that are committed by citizens. We have a method to dealing with those crimes. But crimes who are committed by people who should not be here in the first place, that is absolutely preventable. Those are preventable assault cases, preventable murder, preventable child rapes. And we are allowing them in the name of just. Oh, it's empathetic in kind. Empathetic to whom? To the military aged men that are coming in here and raping children and murdering National Guardsmen and women. It's certainly not empathetic to the victims as the problem with empathy is that it has the ability to blind you to both reality and morality. It has you focus so much on one side of the moral equation that you ignore the other one. You have so much empathy for the person born in the wrong body that you ignore the rights and the privacy of girls and women. You have so much empathy for the plight of the pregnant mother that you forget that abortion butchers the child inside the womb. You have so much empathy for this illegal migrant coming from violence in Honduras that you have no empathy and no thought about Kate Steinle or Molly Tibbets or all of the victims of these preventable crimes committed by illegal aliens or people who should have never been allowed in legally in the first place. That's the problem. But if you think through this truth and love dichotomy, then you're thinking what is factually true, what is scientifically true, what is historically true, what are the trade offs, what is biblically true, most importantly, and how can I love this individual while still upholding what is true and what is right for my country, for my community and for my family? It's possible to do that. Empathy is actually the easy way out because you don't have to deal with the consequences of toxic empathy if you're rich enough. Half. And that's exactly why, of course, most Afghan nationals are resettled to Houston, San Diego, Sacramento, San Antonio and Denver and not to D.C. where all of these politicians who decided this live. We've got a little bit more on this. Let me pause tell you about our next sponsor. It is Crowd health. All right, you know, open enrollment, all that craziness. Health insurance is a hassle. Sometimes. It makes you feel sicker. It makes you feel like you don't have insurance at all because of everything that you have to go through, all the prices that you have to pay. Maybe it's time to just opt out to get your freedom back and join Crowd health. This is not health insurance. It's healthcare. 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White House border czar Tom Homan predicted on Sunday yesterday that most Third world migrants will be deported because there's no way to properly vet them. Here's what he said.
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There's no way to clearly vet these people, you know, 100% that they're safe to come to this country from these third world. President Trump's doing the right thing, reviewing every one of these people came under Biden administration and drilling down on them. I really, truly think that most of them are going to end up being deported because we're not going to be able to properly vet them.
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Okay, well, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Like, let's go ahead and get it done. Like, I know you see a lot of people and a lot of your friends who are totally incensed about this and they believe all of the lies, that citizens are being rounded up because they look brown or being deported to Mexico. That is not something that is happening. That's not something that's happening. And Obama deported more people than Trump has. And Biden also deported over a million people. Did you hear about ICE raids under Biden? Did you hear about ICE raids under Obama? Did you hear about kids in cages under any of these administrations? Administrations, even though that was happening, if you want to call these detention centers cages. Like, did you hear about all of the lost children who were abandoned and not accounted for under these administrations? Did you hear about the sex trafficking, the human trafficking, the drug and weaponry trafficking that was happening under these administrations? No, it's not because it wasn't happening. It's because the media is in bed with the Democrats and they don't want you to to see the Democrats doing things that they are criticizing Donald Trump for. Like, you see that, right? That's again, how the weaponization of empathy works. There's a reason why you read a story about abortion. You only get the perspective of the mother. Not that the mother doesn't matter, but again, her comfort and her desire to have an abortion has to be weighed against the life and the rights of that child who is about to be murdered. But they only want you to see one perspective, one way. So you have to be more thoughtful than that. God gave you a brain. God gave you a mind to think. Now, like, here to me is what this looks like. As a Christian, some of my favorite people in the world are immigrants from what are considered Third world countries. They are immigrants from Africa. They are hard Working people who have rejected dei, who have rejected the welfare state, who have rejected every single opportunity to join this like complaint driven coalition who is constantly seeing the system is out to get them. And they have raised three kids, they became citizens in 2020, raised three beautiful, responsible, hard working children. They are hard working themselves. Anyone would be incredibly blessed to be these people's neighbors and their fellow church members. They are incredible people. Like I would rather live next to them than some Portland antifa lib or even some toxic empathy like liberal wine mom from Buckhead any day of the week. Okay, we can acknowledge that. We can acknowledge that we shouldn't paint a broad brush, that we shouldn't generalize, that we shouldn't say everyone from one country is like this or all immigrants are all refugees. Like we shouldn't do that, like we should love people and see people as individuals while also saying, but in principle and statistically and in general, it is better for the well being and security of our country if all refugees and all asylum seekers and all migrants are extremely well vetted. And that it makes sense at least for a period of time to say, you know, some immigrants from some places are just not getting it in. We don't have the capacity to vet them right now. And because we care about the safety and security of our Americans, of the people that we're governing, then we just can't let them in. And that is why Donald Trump, he said that he would halt all immigration processing for Afghan nationals pending a thorough review of security and vetting protocols. He said we must now re examine every single alien who has entered our country from Afghanistan. Under Biden, we must take all necessary measures to ensure the removal of any alien from any country who does not belong here or add benefit to our country. Again, I say yes and am amen. Like, let's go. And in principle, on a micro level, everyone agrees with this. There's a reason why you live inside your home. There is a reason why you don't sleep on your front sidewalk. There's a reason why you don't leave your door open. There's a reason why you don't let strangers come into your home and eat all of your food and sleep in your children's bed. That doesn't make you a good neighbor. That makes you a bad parent. And countries are like families, just on a bigger scale. You put the safety and security of your people first, not because you hate people from other countries, but because you love people in your country. It is not possible for us to equally prioritize all of the interests of everyone in the world and all of their safety and security. It's not possible. So Americans come first. That is their righteous responsibility. I believe we see that principle in Romans 13, that governments were instituted by God to punish the wrongdoer and reward the good. You take care of your people. Nations were God's idea. Borders were God's idea. Government, laws, all God's idea. And they are good. Also, Trump is talking about re migration. And so, so people who are here remigrating them back to their home countries, of course, not American citizens. But he points out how this really, this is on Thanksgiving Day. This is a very long post by Trump that I'm trying to decide, like, I can't read the whole thing. So he kind of weaves together a couple things that are happening here. He's. He says, okay, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna read it and we'll see how far I can it. He says, a very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged, and laughed at. Toxic empathy, along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid. When it comes to immigration, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs, or drug cartels. I mean, does that sound like a good process for Americans? No. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape or form. They put up with what has happened to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so. A migrant earning $30,000 with a green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their families. The real migrant population is much higher. This refugee burden is the leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over the once great state of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses, hosting, hoping against hope that they will be left alone. Okay, so then he uses, which I know my. Like the world, it has mixed feelings about the R word, and I will not say it, but he does call. He's calls Governor of Minnesota Tim Walls, mentally incompetent, which. Okay, you can quibble about the use of the word, like, let's focus on the main point. He said the Tim Walls does nothing either through fear, incompetence or both, while the worst congresswoman in our country, Ilan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling hijab and who probably came into the USA illegally and that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hatefully complain about our country and how badly she is treated. Okay, so that is all true. Sleepy Joe Biden. He said only reverse migration can fully cure this situation. Other than that, Happy Thanksgiving. Other than that, other than that, Happy Thanksgiving to all except those that hate, steal, murder and destroy everything that America stands for. You won't be here for long. Okay, I love it. Let's go. Let's go. I don't people again who agree with Donald Trump in my DMs. Why does he have to post this on Thanksgiving? Why does he have to say this? Why does he have to say it like this? I'm over caring about that. I just don't care. Like this is just such a bigger issue. Okay? This is a much bigger issue because what is happening in Minnesota is absolutely awful and it does go to show again that our empathy that is extracting our tax dollars from us to support not only migration but to support these good causes and these programs that it's actually working against us, that our empathy is allowing us to be be stolen from and for children to be stolen from. And that's really bad. So let's take a brief look at what's happening in Minnesota and then we'll close out by talking about what's going on in Tennessee. Let me go ahead and pause tell you about our next sponsor for the day it is preborn. Okay. If you actually want to love, not just feel deeply for someone which only goes so far, but actually love someone, then you should put your money where your heart is and then support pregnant moms in need support their babies, make sure they have the resources that they need to make a life affirming choice and to take care of their baby. 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My Blaze colleague Chris Rufo has done a lot of great work when it comes to the corruption in the state of Minnesota through Somali nonprofits. So this is according to Blaze Media and City Journal. A City Journal investigation exposed multiple massive fraud in Minnesota's welfare programs, almost all perpetrated by members of the state Somali community collectively stealing billions in taxpayer dollars. Okay, just think about all of the people who are working so hard to pay their mortgage and to pay for their kids school. Think about that family who has made the sacrifice to live on one income so the mom can homeschool their kids. The dad is working late, he's working hard, he's paying the government because he doesn't want to go to jail. How is that money being used? Is it being used to fix the pothole and his road? Is it being used to make sure that the education system for his neighbor's kids is performing well? No. No, it's being stolen from him and it is being funneled through these groups for the enrichment of these groups who hate America, who hate the Constitution, and who seek dominance. That is just true. That's exaggeration. So for example, the Housing Stabilization Services program, meant to cost $2.6 million per year, exploded to $104 million annually by 2024 and $61 million in just the first half of 2025 before being shut down because the vast majority of it was fraudulent. Federal prosecutors say that HSS providers were fictitious companies, often run from rundown storefronts that signed up vulnerable people for services they never intended to deliver while billing Medicaid. Any way. The $250 million Feeding Our Future scandal saw Somali owned nonprofits claim to feed thousands of children daily with fake rosters and invoices, then use the money for luxury cars and overseas real estate. On September 18, 2025, the 56th defendant pleaded guilty. So you see, like if you were, say you were a Republican who had been running in Minnesota and you had run on, hey, we got, got to cut, we gotta, we gotta cut spending and we have to cut the taxpayer dollars that we are Giving to feeding our future. What would the liberal media have said? Oh, you're evil. How dare you doge this? You don't want to feed innocent children. You want these innocent children to starve. And they would have found one kid on the streets of Minneapolis who didn't have food that day. And they would have said it's because of this Republican politician who wants to cut money from feeding our feet the future. You saw the same thing with Doge when we cut funding to usaid. Well, usaid, as you heard my guest who is a missionary to Nigeria say just the other day, they're doing jack squat in most of these places that they say that they're doing something for. Okay, so when people say we got to cut this stuff because we have to protect the American taxpayer, what does the media do? And it works so well. Even sometimes on this audience, they say, well, you don't have empathy, you don't love your neighbor, because look at what these dollars are intended to do. Never ask, what is the dollar intended to do? Ask what does the dollar do? Like, what is the outcome of this program? Not what is the stated intention. A separate 14 million dollar autism services fraud ring paid Somali parents cash kickbacks of $300 to $1,500 per month per child to enroll kids, many without actual autism diagnoses and lucrative therapy programs, driving statewide autism claims from $3 million into 2018 to $399 million in 2023. What are we doing? What are we doing? I mean, if this is happening in Minnesota and this is actually being uncovered in Minnesota, which is pretty incredible, like what's happening in California, what's happening in Illinois, what's happening in New York, what is happening in Houston? These Democrat run places where there are these large Somalian Islamic groups who. True. I mean, you kind of give them credit. They look out for themselves. They're going to put themselves first. They're looking out for Somalia, they're looking out for Afghanistan, they're looking out for Islam, they're looking out for their people and they're going to get theirs. And you know, a lot of people see this as reparations for colonialism. That's how crazy it is. I mean, that's how much truly like America hates itself. And it's sad and I don't stand for it because I don't hate this country. I love this country and I want it to be a good country for my kids and grandkids. U.S. attorney Joe Thompson described the scandals as schemes stacked upon schemes. It takes his Breath away. At least 28 major fraud scandals have erupted in Minnesota since Governor Tim Walls took office in 2019. And if he ran right now, every Democrat in the state of Minnesota would vote for him. I mean, we already had someone in the state of Virginia win after texts were leaked that said that he wanted to kill his opponent's children. So I don't think that fraud is like the moral limit that the current Democrat Party has. Billions in stolen welfare have been sent as remittances from Minnesota to Somalia. Somalia first. Somalia first. See, it's crazy how other countries are allowed to put their country first and that's totally fine. But when America does it, or when Britain does it it or when Italy does it, it's bigotry and it's wrong. But the important thing is, is that people, not that people see this fraud, not that people are worried about their hardened dollars, not that people are worried about corruption. The important thing is, is that we're not mean to the people who are committing this fraud. Sought to. Do you take responsibility for failing to stop this fraud in your state?
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Well, certainly I take responsibility responsibly for putting people in jail. Governors don't get to just talk. Theoretically, we have to solve problems. And I will note, it's not just Somalis. Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota is a prosperous state, a well run state. We're AAA bond rated. But that attracts criminals. Those people are going to jail. We're doing everything we can. But to demonize an entire community on the actions of a few, it's lazy.
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It's not a few, it's not a few. He emphasized later that it's also just important that we have diversity. Diversity is not a strength in and of itself. It actually is much closer to a detriment than it is a strength. It can be a strength if you are unified by something much deeper than skin color and nationality. If you're unified by a creed, if you're unified by the gospel, then having different perspectives and different backgrounds can actually be a benefit. But if you only have diversity, if that's the only commonality that you have the no, that leads to a freight trade social contract that leads to chaos.