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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey
Ep 1276 | TPUSA Fact-Checks Candace Owens. Are Things About to Get Ugly?
Date: December 8, 2025
Host: Allie Beth Stuckey
Network: Blaze Podcast Network

Overview

This episode covers the evolving conflict between Candace Owens and Turning Point USA (TPUSA) regarding the investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination. Allie gives a Christian, conservative perspective on Candace’s methods and TPUSA’s response, discusses the upcoming live fact-check event, and unpacks the social media uproar over Pantone’s "white" color of the year. The episode also features an insightful interview with Amy Huber (First Choice Women’s Resource Centers, NJ) and Erin Holly (Alliance Defending Freedom) about governmental targeting of pregnancy centers.

Main Segments & Key Discussion Points

I. Candace Owens vs. TPUSA: Fact-Check Showdown

[02:10–29:00]

Background

• Candace Owens has been conducting a podcast investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk, sharing fragmentary evidence and implicating figures close to Charlie and TPUSA, including suggesting Israel and members of his team played a role in his death.
• Allie critiques Candace’s methods as innuendo-driven, lacking evidence, and potentially slanderous from a biblical standpoint.

Candace Owens’ Claims:

• Allegations that Mikey McCoy (Charlie’s chief of staff) was happy about Charlie’s death and was told he’d be Charlie's "heir."
• Claims of a pressure campaign (by Josh Hammer and Seth Dillon) for Charlie to support Israel, linking this to his assassination.
• Assertions of unaccounted funds and financial impropriety within TPUSA.
• Theories about foreign aircrafts “following” Charlie’s wife, Erica.

Allie’s Critique

• Allie is supportive of seeking truth and justice, but not in the form of “evidenceless accusations.”
• She warns against the spiritual dangers of slander and innuendo, pointing to Scripture (Proverbs 18:21, I Corinthians 6, etc.).
  • Quote [09:40]:
    “Innuendo is not investigation, because a true investigation asks questions based on hard evidence…and then releases the proven facts as they come.” — Allie Beth Stuckey

TPUSA’s Position & Public Fact-Check

Blake Neff, TPUSA Producer, explains the organization’s silence and shift to public response:

• Initially, TPUSA ignored the claims, thinking they were “beneath contempt,” and followed Charlie’s preference of not feeding trolls and focusing on the mission.
• With persistent inquiries and harm to staff, they’ve decided to openly address the allegations.
  • Quote [11:03]:
    “We thought that her prevarications were so absurd that nobody would believe them…[but] Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend and we were holding out hope she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing.”
    — Blake Neff

Fact-Checking Specific Allegations

• Blake Neff details falsity of each major accusation, including the supposed roles of Turning Point staff and claims about finances.
  • Quote [17:14]:
    “She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud…which again is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year…”
    — Blake Neff

Announcement of the Public Fact-Check Stream

• TPUSA schedules a live stream for December 15 at 4pm EST, inviting Candace to join in-person in Phoenix for transparency and authenticity.
• The choice of in-person event was to avoid advantages a remote guest could have (such as being aided by producers).
  • Quote [19:06]:
    “If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that livestream… At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court.”
    — Blake Neff

Candace Owens’ Response

• Candace objects to the in-person only demand, citing personal and scheduling challenges, and offers to join virtually.

  • Quote [24:21]: “When you extend an invitation of live streaming and you don’t explicitly say it must be in person, why would I assume that you’re going to rescind the offer if I say that I can appear via livestream?... That’s a hostage situation, okay.” — Candace Owens

• The back-and-forth continues, unresolved as of recording.

Allie’s Viewpoint:

• Allie sees the in-person requirement as fair for a discussion of this magnitude.
• She expresses sadness at the public spectacle but approves of TPUSA fact-checking allegations directly.
• Emphasizes a scriptural, prudent approach—public accusations deserve discernment, not hasty judgment.
  • Quotes:
    “Public accusations require discernment, not instant judgment, not hunches, not vibes.”
    — Allie Beth Stuckey [25:50]

II. Pregnancy Center Under Fire: Interview with Amy Huber & Erin Holly

[30:21–48:33]

Background

• Amy Huber (Director, First Choice Women’s Resource Centers, NJ) recounts her center’s history and recent legal threats from the NJ Attorney General demanding ten years of records, including donor information.

Key Points

• Subpoena Chilling Effect: The subpoena potentially intimidates staff, volunteers, and donors, straining resources and impeding First Choice’s mission to support women with unplanned pregnancies.
• Wider Context: NJ officials have warned against “deceptive” pregnancy centers despite lack of any complaint against First Choice.
  • Quote [35:07]:
    “There simply is no allegation that anyone has been misled by first choice.”
    — Erin Holly
• Legal Battle: Pregnant centers face complex litigation on multiple legal fronts. The Supreme Court recently heard oral arguments, indicating national stakes for pro-life organizations’ donor privacy and operational freedom.

Personal Impact

• Amy highlights the emotional and practical burden on her nonprofit, the loss of potential volunteers, and the testament of faith and unity it has brought her staff.

  • Quote [44:00]:
    “The unity and…cohesive nature of our staff and board, the courage that everyone has had and how we have united through this is really a gift.” — Amy Huber

• They share a personal client story of “Mila,” whose abortion pill reversal led to her daughter’s life—underscoring the significance of their services.

  • Quote [45:27]:
    “Her daughter Scarlett is eight years old today… And you just realize that anything like this legal battle, while we wouldn’t have chosen it, God has chosen us…” — Amy Huber

Call to Action

• Pray for pregnancy centers facing legal attacks.
• Volunteer with or donate to your local center.
  • Quote [47:01]:
    “Prayer…that’s the best way. There are people praying all throughout the nation… So prayer without a doubt. Find your local pregnancy center and volunteer…if people are led to give, our website is firstchoicegive.com…” — Amy Huber

III. Pantone’s “White” Color of the Year: Another Culture War?

[50:48–63:31]

Pantone Announcement & Backlash

• Pantone selects “Cloud Dancer,” an off-white, as 2026’s color of the year—the first time a white hue is chosen.
• Online reaction accuses Pantone of racism and tone deafness, citing the broader discourse on whiteness in America.
  • Example post: “Pantone picking white as the color of the year during a time when white supremacy on the rise is so [tone deaf].”

Commentary

• Allie critiques the outrage, calling it symptomatic of Western society’s misplaced priorities and “collective guilt” narratives.

  • Quote [55:55]:
    “It's literally just a color, okay? It's an inanimate color. And the subliminal message is far more offensive than any supposed message Pantone is communicating...That being white or having white skin…is something bad. That we need to reject the color of our skin. No thank you.” — Allie Beth Stuckey

• She denounces “social justice” approaches that shift guilt collectively and warns against anti-white rhetoric infiltrating church and culture:

  • “The same God who providentially made my melanin count made someone else’s melanin count a lot higher than mine. And we are both equally made in his image. Shouldn’t be radical, but of course it is.”
    — Allie Beth Stuckey [58:46]

• Pantone clarifies their choice was about a “blank canvas,” not about race.

Scriptural Anchoring

• Allie references biblical impartiality (James, Romans), arguing true justice is individual, not collective.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Innuendo is not investigation...” — Allie Beth Stuckey [09:40]
• “We thought that her prevarications were so absurd that nobody would believe them...” — Blake Neff [11:03]
• “She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud…which again is not true.” — Blake Neff [17:14]
• “When you extend an invitation of live streaming and you don’t explicitly say it must be in person, why would I assume that you’re going to rescind the offer if I say that I can appear via livestream?... That’s a hostage situation, okay.”
  — Candace Owens [24:21]
• “Public accusations require discernment, not instant judgment, not hunches, not vibes.” — Allie [25:50]
• “There simply is no allegation that anyone has been misled by First Choice.” — Erin Holly [35:07]
• “Her daughter Scarlett is eight years old today…anything like this [legal battle], while we wouldn’t have chosen it, God has chosen us.” — Amy Huber [45:27]
• “It's literally just a color, okay? It's an inanimate color.” — Allie [55:55]
• “The same God who providentially made my melanin count made someone else’s melanin count a lot higher than mine…” — Allie [58:46]

Overall Tone

Allie maintains a thoughtful, pastoral, unapologetically Christian and conservative tone—calling for discernment, caution with public accusations, and trust in God’s providence, while also interspersing humor and incredulity at certain cultural flashpoints (such as the Pantone controversy).

Recap by Section & Key Timestamps

• Intro & Episode Overview: 00:30–02:10
• Owens vs. TPUSA Investigation, Fact-Check Response: 02:10–29:00
• Pregnancy Center Legal Battle (Interview): 30:21–48:33
• Pantone’s White Color Controversy: 50:48–63:31

Action Points for Listeners

• Exercise discernment and avoid spreading accusations without evidence.
• Support your local pregnancy center (prayer, volunteering, donations at firstchoicegive.com).
• Reflect on Christian principles of impartial justice and avoid falling into divisive identity politics.
• Stay informed and engage constructively on cultural issues.