B (16:59)

Political prisoners. And we would ask them, when we speak up and call out your government, is it bad? And they said, well, in the short run it's bad because they torture us. But if you don't speak up, they will torture us and forget about us. The idea is right now is we have to be speaking up.

A (17:21)

The irony of walls behind a border, the irony of him using the security of a parameter and some might call it a wall, while he is basically saying the country has no right to do that. It's always like that with Democrats. The rules are for the. But not for me. Um, it Just makes me think when he is comparing the Trump administration to Communist China, it makes me think that progressives really want a Tiananmen Square situation where they can get that iconic picture. And this truly is an incredible iconic picture. You've got the person who is standing up to tanks in communist China. Such a horrific time in Chinese history when people continued to just be slaughtered and persecuted under Communist, under communist rule. And it looks to me like they are trying to create those images that can again be used to their policy ends. We also, okay, so we're moving around here. We've got, we first had fascism, we went to communism. We're back to Nazism. Here's Walls. Sorry.

B (18:38)

We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can end this now.

A (18:59)

This has nothing to do with the Holocaust. This has nothing to do with Nazi Germany. This is nothing like that. Jews were targeted because they were Jews. There were other groups that were targeted as well. But by and large, this was an anti Jewish operation. That is not what is going on here. ICE is doing its very legitimate and good and overall compassionate and loving job of removing the people who are not legally here. And I know people are saying, oh well, they should just be removing the violent criminals. I agree, let's prioritize the gang members and the murderers and the rapists and those people. But they have every right and responsibility to remove every single person, no matter who they are, who is not a citizen of this country. This is how you protect the sovereignty or the legitimacy of, of your country. Every single nation has the right and responsibility to protect citizenship and to create the parameters of both citizenship and lawfulness and who gets to reside here and who doesn't. That is like nation state 101. Every nation has that right and that responsibility. So comparing this to the Holocaust, to what Hitler did, you're igniting tensions. You are hoping that people go out there and they fight the Nazis because they fancy themselves, you know, Bonhoeffer. That's not what's going on here. And so if Walls wants to continue to see this kind of chaos and conflict that is so tragically getting people killed, then he should keep up the rhetoric like this. It's not just politicians. Media is playing their very, very disturbing part in this as well. We'll get to that in a second. Let me pause. Let me tell you about our next sponsor. This is seven weeks Coffee. We love seven Weeks Coffee so much in our home. 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All right, so MSNBC did this very strange thing. They're called MSN now. Now I don't know why, but they decided to use this clearly doctored picture of Alex Preddy. Okay, so this is the original picture on the left and you can verify this with the other pictures who have that have circulated. This is what he looked like on the left, but this is the picture that they used on the right in the segment talking about him. Here is that clip. This time it was 37 year old Alex Preddy, an ICU nurse who cared for veterans. Donald Trump and his cabinet, his administration are demanding once again that you not believe your eyes and ears. Now why would they use this photo? Let's put up the side by side again where you've got him in the right side looking tanner, looking a little somehow like more muscular. They changed his nose, they changed his chin, they made his face a little wider. Why would they do this? And I pointed this out on Instagram, people got very upset with me. People on the left, all the she hers on Instagram got very upset when I pointed out that the guy, this is why they're doing this. The guy on the left looks more like a left wing agitator and the guy on the right looks like the Persona that they are wanting to convey. Some kind of strong, brave veteran. Now for some reason the she hers got really angry and the they thems got really upset when I said that. As if I am the one who manipulated the image. As if I am the One subliminally making the argument that you can only have compassion for a person when they're tan and when they're more handsome. I'm not making that argument. Like, you might be mad that I categorized him in that way. But that is exactly what they are trying to convey. Like, why else do you think that they're doing this? They're using this manipulated image because they know human nature is, superficial as it may be, is to feel more deeply for a child who is cute or a man who is handsome or a woman who is beautiful, or an image of someone that looks more wholesome and looks more attractive in some way. That is why they are employing this psychological operation. And it goes back to what I talked about on Monday. If you have not watched or listened to Monday's episode, go back and do that. But they are trying to, to target women specifically, knowing that we so often operate on our feelings, operate on those base instincts, and that we, like all humans, but I would say even more so, are very moved by an image, more so than we are moved by an argument. I mean, that's what effective propaganda is. It is meant to paralyze your critical thinking abilities and just make you feel. And whether you like it or not, whether you consciously or morally agree with feeling more compassion for someone who is more handsome or prettier than the other. Like, our instincts, I guess, are just wired in that way. It actually takes, I think, Christian virtue to be able to say, no matter what someone looks like, no matter what their background is, that person is made in God's image and they have innate value. I don't have to be sure about the circumstances surrounding their death to say I wish that they were still alive. And I think there should be a thorough investigation of all of this. Whether or not this person is tan or has a chiseled jawline. Trump is also saying that he wants a thorough investigation into this. And he sent love to Alex Preddy's family. I thought this was a good response. Here's Trump. Do you believe that Alex Freddy's death was justified?

B (25:56)

Well, you know, we're doing a big investigation. I want to see the investigation. I'm going to be watching all over it. I want a very honorable and honest investigation. I have to see it myself.

A (26:07)

He also posted on Truth Social On January 26, he said, Governor Tim Walls called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota. It was a very good call. And we actually seemed to be on a similar wavelength. I told Governor Walls that I would have Tom Homan call him and that what we are looking for are any and all criminals that they have in their possession. The governor very respectfully understood that, and I will be speaking to him in the near future. He said he was happy that Tom Homan is going to Minnesota. He also points out what I said earlier, that they are seeing tremendous success when it comes to ICE operations in D.C. memphis, New Orleans and other places that they have touched down. And even in other places in Minnesota. I mean, you'll remember that Minneapolis was the epicenter of chaos also in 2020. So it just makes you wonder, like, what is going on with local politicians and local left wing operations there. Why do things always turn into this propaganda war and sometimes a hot war in Minneapolis specifically? Something to think about. There will be an investigation into what went on, and I think there should be, and I don't know, there could be an officer that actually is indicted and convicted for murder here. There will be due process that they go through in that. But I think that we can say that we hope for the fullness of justice to be executed here and also say that we don't know everything. Like, we. We just. We just don't know everything. And we can also acknowledge that this person was made in God's image. Now, I want to get into unbiblical response to what's going on and also the biblical response to what's going on, because if we put aside for a second what happened to Alex Preddy, we can acknowledge that that is tragic. What I am actually seeing is a lot of people trying to invalidate the efforts of ICE in general, saying that ICE does not have a right to operate, that they should be abolished, that they should be defunded, that these people should not be deported. I mean, you actually even saw Trump in that post saying that we're just looking for criminals who are also illegal aliens. Well, actually, no. Like, we should be just deporting everyone who is not here legally. Now, you'll hear from the left, and I understand why. This is very compelling. We've talked about this many times before, citing different portions of the Bible to say, no, this is why we shouldn't be deporting people. This is why we shouldn't be closing our border. You've got Gavin Newsom, who of course is a theological giant. He cited Matthew 25:35 in response response to the Trump administration's federal deportations. And this verse says, for I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me and just by the way, this just reminded me. And we'll find a picture and we'll put it up, but you'll remember I wrote an article about this for World magazine a few years ago. Gavin Newsom funded billboards in red states that were enacting pro life laws advertising California as a refuge for those who are seeking abortions and actually put a Bible verse up, love your neighbor as yourself as his justification for inviting women who are looking to hire someone to slaughter their child to come to California to do so. Okay, so I'm not really interested in the theological interpretations of someone like Gavin Newsome. That was just utter blasphemy. You'll remember maybe that the late John MacArthur, a longtime pastor from California, actually wrote an open letter to Gavin Newsom very lovingly but sternly and prophetically urging his repentance because of that gross act of blasphemy. I think it's really important to note that Gavin Newsom right now, if he died right now, he would be going to hell. Like, I think it's just really important to note that, that someone like that doesn't need to be wielding scripture at all. And so I'm not interested in his interpretation. But because some of you might also be persuaded by this, and because Tim Walls is also cited Matthew 25:40, Truly, I say to you, as you did, to want the least of these my brothers, you did to me, I feel the need to kind of respond to this for a second. So if you look at Matthew 25 in the context of what Jesus is saying, he is talking about the persecuted church. I've talked about this before, and Russell Moore said that it is Nazi language to point out this, this widely accepted interpretation of Matthew 25, which is that Jesus is talking about his persecuted brothers and sisters. He is talking about persecuted Christians. In other places we are called to care for the poor in general. But here Jesus is talking about caring for those who are persecuted and who are mistreated in his name. That's why he says the least of these my brothers. So this is a complete misinterpretation and misapplication of Matthew 25. You'll also hear people cite Exodus, that we should care for the foreigner. Now, I want to point out a little bit of hypocrisy there, because the same people that point out the verse in Exodus that tells us to care for the foreigner, they reject the rest of Old Testament law giving when it comes to American policy making. Like, they will call me a Christian nationalist for saying, well, one of the Ten Commandments is thou shall not murder. Or pointing to Psalm 139 to look at the preciousness of life inside the womb. That's scary Christian nationalism. But they can go to the Old Testament and say, oh well, God told ancient Israel to care for the foreigners, so we should too. I just want them to pick a lane. Like, if we're interested in applying all the biblical principles to America American policy today, I say let's go. We also read in Exodus, Exodus 12:49, there will be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you. There is nowhere in the Old Testament or the New Testament that justifies the idea of elite legal immigration. Because of course, illegal immigration is lawlessness. It's anarchy. Lawlessness and anarchy are always depicted as satanic agents and satanic outcomes in Scripture. Remember the curse after the Tower of Babel of people trying to build this building up to heaven to be more like God themselves was a difference in language that caused chaos. That was not good. And now we're trying to actually do the same thing here in the United States, bringing a curse upon us. We've got this very popular perspective on white evangelical Christian Instagram. I won't post like the entire account, but this person posted. Jesus wasn't white. Jesus wasn't American. Jesus wasn't God and country. He was God for the world. He was an immigrant. Nothing good could come out of Nazareth. They'd say he crossed cultural divides, etc. Etc. This is a straw man. No one is claiming that Jesus was white. No one is claiming that he was American. No one is claiming any of these things. To say it's just good sense for a country to have borders. A city without walls is like a man without self control. That is a proverb that has a principle that still rings true today. Read the Book of Nehemiah. Read Nehemiah 6 to see the wisdom of the walls that were built around Jerusalem in order to protect her. The same is true today. What do we always say? That we were placed not in a jungle, but in a garden. And the difference between a garden and a jungle is order. God is a God of order. He created governments. He created laws. He created borders. He created nations. All of these things were his idea. Now can you believe in all of these biblically true things and also still have a problem with what happened with Alex Preddy, in your opinion? Yes. But do not allow your compassion to lead you to very stupid and evil places and advocate for borderlessness. Remember, nations are like families. Just as you are tasked with stewarding the lives and the protection of your children. So governments are tasked with protecting their people first. Allowing unvetted strangers into your home does not make you a good neighbor. It makes you a bad parent. And just because you lock your door at night doesn't mean you hate your neighbors or hate your community or that you think all of them are murderers and thieves, but you're thinking there might be one out there who is, so it's probably safe just to keep your door locked. The same principles are true when it comes to caring for a nation. And I also just want to remind you that while ICE is deporting all of these illegal aliens, that there are very real criminals who are being deported. And we'll put some of their pictures up. ICE reminds us of these people that they're deporting. Many of them are sexual offenders, many of them serial drunk drivers. Many of them have killed innocent people either accidentally or on purpose. And these are the people that these protesters in Minneapolis are protecting. And it's evil. And I also just want to remind you that illegal immigration kills. It kills unnecessarily. We already have homegrown criminals here. There is no just need to add to those by importing people who shouldn't be here. I don't understand why this is hard for people to understand when they say, oh, well, you know, citizens commit crimes, too. Sure, citizens commit crimes. So is that your argument for importing more criminals? I just want to show you some of the pictures of the people who have died very recently at the hands of illegal aliens. AKA people who should never have been here in the first place had we enforced just immigration law. We've got Fletcher Harris and Skyler Provenza. This was a sweet young teenage couple who was killed by an illegal alien drunk driver, Maverick Martin, A young boy. Alex Wise. You'll remember Kate Steinle, Little Ivory Smith. Remember Molly Tibbets. Remember Lake and Riley? Lake and Riley brutally sexually assaulted and murdered by someone who snuck in under the Biden administration. Look, all of these people, including Alex Preddy, including Renee Good, would be alive today if we had enforced common sense immigration law in the first place. This is the sacrifice that we have decided to make, sadly, because we have stupid, lax immigration law, okay? And it's really ugly and it's really sad. But this is why lawlessness and disorder, when it comes to our nation and our protection and our security and our immigration process is so unjust and so wrong. So just remember that. I'm sure we'll be talking about this more But I do want to move on to some things that I've been meaning to talk about for a couple weeks now. So we'll get into them in just a second. Let me pause and go to our next sponsor for the day, and that is Alliance Defending Freedom, y'. All, I love Alliance Defending Freedom so much. I've had several of their clients on this show. Jessica Bates, mom out of out of Oregon, came to share the Arrows got her share the Arrows award because of how she is courageously trying to adopt children out of the foster care system without compromising on her Christian beliefs. They represented Jessica. They've represented so many young women who are fighting for fairness when it comes to women's athletics. 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A while ago when we first started talking about it, we got a ton of pushback, even from Christian conservatives. And I understand why. We like babies. We want people to have kids. And so if you don't think about it, you could justify and ends justify the means approach to having children. But as you dig into the industry and just the practice itself, what it does to women's bodies, what it does to the physiology and psychology of babies, you see that it's actually a very disordered practice. So whenever there is a celebrity that posts a picture glorifying this practice of surrogacy, I always use it as a way to kind of remind us that this is something that goes on and that is very, very harmful to both women and children. So this time it is singer Megan Trainer and we can put up the picture that she has. She shared a photo of herself holding her baby that she had through a surrogacy surrogate. She's having skin to skin contact after taking the child away from the woman who carried this little girl. And look, images, as we've already talked about, we can put the image back up, is very powerful. You see this image and it looks like a mother and her baby. She's obviously very happy that happiness is sincere. This really is her biological child. So she loves this baby. There is absolutely no doubt about that. But Christians are not just called to feel. We are not just called to see an image, to feel something and then to make our decisions, especially big moral decisions that affect vulnerable children based on pictures that make us feel a certain way. We've got to think more deeply than that. And so this is how I responded on X. And it's kind of the kicking off point for what we're about to talk about. People are waking up to the fact that womb renting, which is what surrogacy is, is disordered and unethical. Number one, the physiological bond created between a baby and the woman who carried her is necessary for the child's healthy development. It is meant to continue after birth. You see Megan doing skin to skin there, but skin to skin with this woman, the woman who carried the child, not just anyone regulates the baby's heart rate and makes the stark transition to the outside world more peaceful. We somehow understand this when it comes to puppies and kittens, but not with human babies. Puppies and kittens have to stay with the mom for eight plus weeks. Yet when it comes to surrogacy, we take babies away from the only woman he or she has ever known, give them to people who to them are strangers, and then number two, surrogate pregnancies are high risk for the surrogate and the baby. They regularly result and preterm deliveries, late term miscarriages and NICU stays. When moms hire a surrogate, they are transferring the risk that she would carry. So in this case that Megan would carry to another woman and her child. And then third point I wanted to make here, the surrogacy industry is inherently exploit. Exploitative. Women who need money sign hefty contracts, often with requirements to abort the baby if the parent so choose. We have interviewed one of those surrogates to commodify their bodies. There are no background checks for the parents who purchased these surrogates, which is why this is a method used in all kinds of child buying schemes around the globe. That's not what's going on in this story with Megan. But people should know that it is not all rainbows. It is a very dark practice and industry. So for those who don't know how surrogacy works, in this case, I assume that Megan Trainor used her own egg. So she has to pump herself with herself, with a lot of. Of hormones in order to be able to ovulate artificially. And then they harvest the eggs from her body, and then they take this egg and I suppose her husband's sperm. They put this together in a dish in a lab, and they make not just one embryo, but multiple embryos. And typically, just like in the IVF process, these embryos are graded it. And very often, especially in celebrity cases, you determine the gender of these embryos. You determine if this embryo has some kind of special need like down syndrome or other kinds of chromosomal abnormalities. Very often these embryos who are not graded well, they're graded as weak or something else, they're thrown out. Maybe they are forever frozen because you want a girl and you created six boys. That happens very often. Paris Hilton talked about having all of these embryos on ice because she wanted a little girl and her embryos kept on being boys. You even have fertility clinics or IVF clinics in places like California that can guarantee a certain eye color in the embryos. All of this is possible. This is all human experimentation that is happening completely legally in the United States because this industry is very lucrative. So in this case, Meghan Trainor has probably made multiple embryos. You transfer an embryo to a woman that you hire. This is the surrogate. The surrogate is typically not related to anyone, certainly not related to the child. The surrogate has to be pumped with all of these artificial hormones so that the embryo will actually implant in her uterus, and then she carries this child. Because this is an unnatural process. This is very risky for everyone involved. And the bond that's created between this baby and this woman knows the smell, knows the sound of the heartbeat, knows her voice. All of that is very important in the psychological development of the child. And creating that brokenness of bond on purpose at the moment of birth, I think is extremely unethical, immoral, and cruel, especially when we're talking about two men that are buying the eggs from one woman and then renting the womb of another woman, two separate women, and then taking that child away, both from the biological mother and from the only body that he or she has ever known, to put that baby on their hairy chest. It's disgusting. It is immoral in every single way. Again, this is more cruelty that we show to human beings than we would ever show to puppies and kittens. And it happens on a daily basis. There was this other article that was going around a few weeks ago that I been meaning to talk about and it's from the Wall Street Journal. Chinese use US Surrogacy Industry for Birth Tourism. I think that we have the headline to put up. This article says a Wall Street Journal investigation revealed that an increasing number of ultra wealthy Chinese individuals are using American surrogate mothers to have large numbers of children, sometimes dozens or even more than 100 in order to get it US citizenship. Traditional birth tourism, where pregnant women travel to the US to give birth so that the children are born citizens, has been dropping due to greater, greater scrutiny and enforcement by authorities like the Trump FBI. Now birth tourists are taking advantage of the fact that the US along with Ukraine allows surrogacy for international clients unlike most developed countries. And so this is basically trafficking. These women's bodies are being commodified, their wombs are being rented, and these children are being used as pawns. They are also being commercialized. I mean, this is almost like a form of slavery that we're talking about here. And then also when people say, well, you know, at least they consented to this. While you can consent to being objectified, but objectifying a human being is still wrong. The investigation into what was going on here highlighted the case of someone named Zhu Bo, a Chinese billionaire in the video game industry who has become a prominent example of this trans extremes. Zhu sought legal parentage recognition for multiple children born via US surrogates. But in 2023, a California judge unusually denied his request in a system where such orders are normally granted routinely, leaving some children in legal uncertainty. At the time, certain children were being looked after by nannies in Southern California while waiting for travel documents to leave the country. These poor children, I mean, think about how confusing and how disordered this is for them. And again, this is happening to millions of people every year. America is the wild, wild west for the reproductive technology industry. And Christians in particular are way too silent about this because we want to pretend that this is being pro baby. Being pro baby does not mean that you justify every means of creating a child. We're not pro rape, right? And pro rape or rape sometimes conceives a child so we don't support this ends justifies a means method to procuring children. Children are a gift. Children are a privilege. Children are not a right. You don't, you are not entitled to a child just because to pay for it and remember, these people don't have to go through background checks. Children have a right to a mother and father, ideally their mother and father. But if not, then through adoption or some ethical means, which really is just adoption. Whether it's a private adoption or through the state, they should still be entitled to a mother and father. We are creating this grand social experiment at the expense of kids and it's just sad. 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We don't really know the long term consequences of a child being created to be taken away from the woman who carries him or to be raised motherless. Christians are called to care for the fatherless but Motherlessness is really a historic anomaly. Just doesn't happen very much. But we've manufactured motherlessness by saying two men can pretend to be a mom and a dad and take a child away from his mother. It's actually very sick and saddening. This particular story that we were reading about in the Wall Street Journal, that guy Zubo, the billionaire from the video game industry, he, their network was questioned about the number of this guy's children and the company, I don't know how to pronounce it Dowie Network confirmed that after years of surrogacy efforts in the U.S. he had has only. Only a little over 100 children. Okay, this is an immigration story. This is a child trafficking story. This is a, I think a form of prostitution story. I mean, you're paying someone to use their body. It is, it is prostitution. And so, I mean this is so should so obviously be unethical and illegal in every way. It's hard for me to see. Well, I can see why America wouldn't crack down on it. It makes a lot of money. And the reproductive technology industry is very powerful because of that. There was a 2024 study published in the Journal of Fertility and Sterility by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine that analyzed international commerce commercial surrogacy contracts in the US from 2014 to 2020. The study found that the percentage of gestational carrier cycles involving international parents nearly doubled from 2014, 22% to 20 to 39.7% in 2020 before dropping off slightly to 31.8%. And the study showed that Chinese nationals accounted for 41.7% of these international surrogacy agreements, making then the largest group driving the rent a womb industry. And so when you think about the stories that come across your feed the woman who went through and then survived ovarian cancer and was only able to have a baby by freezing her eggs and then using a surrogate or when you come across this very sweet picture of Meghan Trainor, it's very easy for us to feel and to arrest our thinking and to say, you know what? I'm just not going to think about that because this person wanted a baby and I'm just glad they're happy. But that kind of thinking that is so prevalent among all of us as women is actually what allows us to be silent and complicit in this widespread evil practice. Now, I am a hardliner on this. I think surrogacy is always wrong no matter what, because unlike an adoption, you are purposely creating the child to be separated from his mother or from the woman who carried him. Like you are purposely creating that brokenness. Whereas when a child is conceived and then adopted out or given to adoptive parents, that wasn't intentional. The baby wasn't conceived with the intention of breaking that bond. But when you're talking about egg selling, when you're talking about sperm selling, when you're talking about surrogacy, you are intentionally creating that brokenness in order to satisfy adult desire. So you're sacrificing the well being of a child on the altar of adult desires. And that is disordered. Parents were created to put our desires last and put the needs of our children first. And if you start that in a disordered way during conception, then you're not really set up well for the rest of your parenting experience. Senator Rick Scott thankfully introduced something called called the Safe Kids act In November of 2025, a bill that would prohibit foreign nationals from adversarial countries like China from participating in the US commercial surrogacy industry. And in January 2025, President Trump issued an executive order titled Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship, which has prompted renewed examination of birthright citizenship, especially when it is acquired through legal loopholes rather than authentic connections to the United States. Shortly after the executive order was issued, surrogacy organizations released guidance aimed at preserving the citizenship pathway. That's good. With immigration lawyers and agencies arguing that a child born to a US Citizen surrogate should still qualify for automatic citizenship. That's not good. Even if the intended parents are foreign nationals. Like, how can you not see that that is just enabling and exacerbating human human trafficking, international human trafficking. I think they do see that. I think surrogacy agency agencies are complicit in this. Knowingly complicit in this. Just the same way that Planned Parenthood knows that there are children, that there are girls being brought in against their will who are being trafficked, prostituted, raped to have abortions to cover up the men's crimes that are buying their bodies. I think that Planned Parenthood knows that they sell fetal tissue to, to different organizations that are doing research. And in the same way, I think that these surrogacy agencies are participating in evil knowingly. And when you think about that, women and children, consenting or not, are all kind of at the center of this scheme, of this objectification and commercialization of bodies scheme. It just makes you again, go all the way back to the garden. And I know we do this on every episode, but Everything we talk about like reminds me of the order than the disorder that occurred when Satan tempted Eve and she said yes because of her lust, because of her mistrust of God. Did God really say, obviously Satan had it out for women, but Satan obviously has it out for children. Satan is going to be defeated by a king who came to earth first as an embryo. And Satan loves to prey upon the minds of children, the bodies of children. Child sacrifice is a tale as old as time. Something that God prohibited from the very beginning, but something that Satan loves. So when I say children are always the subjects of progressive social experiments, that's not just a political statement. I actually think it's a spiritual one too. Because the powers of darkness hate the innocence of children. And Jesus Christ changed everything. He changed everything because he came as a savior, not in the form of an adult warrior king that so many expected him to, but first as an embryo and then was heralded by the kicks of an unborn. John the Baptist was worshiped in a manger as a newborn and then against the protestation of his disciples said, no, let the little children come to me, for such as these belong the kingdom of heaven. Jesus and then his followers changed how the world saw children. And so I think it is 100% the response responsibility of Christians to continue to stand up for children from the embryonic stages onward. Like we understand that a life is a life no matter how small when it comes to abortion. But for some reason a lot of Christian pro lifers when it comes to IVF and when it comes to all these reproductive issues just don't want to wade into it. It's inconsistency, it's ignorance and it's fear. And the time is done for all of that. So let's start speaking up about the things that matter, especially on behalf of behalf of kids. All right, I've got more to say about the biblical perspective on this and that's where we'll end. 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Actually was that last night or this morning that we were reading in Genesis about Abraham? It was just this morning. Wow, it's been a long day. We were chief related. Bro and I were reading about Abraham and Sarah and the decisions that he made based on fear and all of that. And we were reading about Hagar and how Hagar was used basically as a surrogate, obviously in a different way. They didn't have egg donation and egg selling back then, but because Sarai couldn't have a child, they then used Hagar the concubine, the slave woman to have Ishmael. And you know, it's funny, whenever I'm arguing with Christians about the ethics of surrogacy, they'll point to this. They'll say, well, surrogacy is in the Bible. Look, mo wives, mo problems in the Bible. Things are descriptive in scripture that are not prescriptive. So just because the Bible describes something doesn't mean that it is prescribing it. And actually we saw so much jealousy, so many problems, so much pain for Hagar and for Ishmael and for Sarah and for Abraham because of this situation. You can read, I won't read all of this because it's long, but in Genesis 16 we read about this that really Sarai, I didn't trust the Lord and that's why they used the surrogate. And Sarai said to Abram, may the wrong done to me be on you. I gave my servant to your embrace. And when she saw that she had conceived, she looked on me with contempt. May the Lord judge between you and me. But Abram said to Sarah, I behold, your servant is in your power due to her as you please. Then Sarai dealt harshly with her and she fled from her. And then of course later we see that when Sarah actually was given a child by God, when she delivered Isaac, she wanted nothing to do with Hagar and Ishmael and basically pushed them away and they had to flee. And so this caused all kinds of divisiveness and pain because they didn't trust the Lord and because they used surrogacy. We also read in Genesis 30, when Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, she envied her Sister, she said to Jacob, give me children or I shall die. Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel. And he said, said, am I in the place of God, who has withheld from you the fruit of the womb? Then she said, here is my servant. Go into her so that she may give birth on my behalf, that even I may have children through her. And so the servant did so. Then Rachel said, God has judged me and has also heard my voice and given me a son. Therefore she called his name Dan. So this highlights once again the envy and the rivalry again that that can come up because of the use of the servant as a surrogate. I'm not saying that this describes every situation of surrogacy in the United States today, but this is not a prescription. Remember that children are a gift from the Lord. Psalm 127:3 says, Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb, a reward. And so I think a lot of times we think that this is something that we are, are entitled to, but we are not. And having children and desiring children is a very good desire. But we are, we do not have an entitlement or a right to have or to fulfill all of the desires that we have on earth. There are ethical ways to go about that, like through adoption and unethical ways to do that. Remember that our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit. And so renting them out or getting paid to use our body, even if it seems altruistic, but in a way that actually harms us and hurts a child, even for the benefit of parents who want that child, is not okay. 1 Corinthians 6:19 19 through 20 or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God. You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body. So this underscores the sanctity of the body opposing the commodification that comes through surrogacy. So Megan Trainor, I'm sure she loves her children. I have no doubt about that. And I'm sure that she is a great mom. It's not about that. It is about causing brokenness intentionally in service to your own desires. No matter what we are talking about, that's always wrong, but especially when it comes to sacrificing children and remi remember the dark, dark, dark world that is underneath the surface of pictures like that. Reproductive technology industry is trafficking children every single day in the name of just wanting to be a parent and Christians have the responsibility to speak out about that. All right? I want us to be Christian thinkers, not just Christian feelers. The world needs that now more than ever. We will be back here on Friday. Sa.