Do Women Gossip More Than Men? featuring Jason Lee & Special Guest

Summary

ReLiving Single Podcast Summary

Episode: “Do Women Gossip More Than Men?”

Hosts: Erika Alexander & Kim Coles
Guests: Jason Lee, Big Les (Leslie Seagar)
Date: November 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of ReLiving Single revisits the classic Living Single Season 1 episode “A Tale of Two Tattles” to dissect the trope that women gossip more than men. Hosts Erika Alexander and Kim Coles, joined by Jason Lee (Hollywood Unlocked founder and media personality) and surprise special guest Big Les, share personal stories, reflect on the nature and impact of gossip, and explore how gossip—for better or worse—shapes personal relationships and Black popular culture. Additionally, the episode features behind-the-scenes insights and celebrates the cultural legacy of Living Single with love and laughter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Who Gossips More: Women or Men?

• The episode launches with playful banter about gossip stereotypes.
• Erika and Kim joke about each other’s “gossipy” tendencies:
  • Erika: “If that’s the case, that means the biggest gossip in your community is probably doing you a public service.” (02:25)
  • Kim: “You’re doing community service. You’re doing the Lord’s work.”
• Jason Lee reframes his own reputation:

  “When people think I do gossip, I’m not gossiping. I’m literally just telling the truth as I see it.” (00:27, 45:04)

• The group agrees both genders gossip—men may just call it something else or do it differently:
  • Kim: “Men absolutely gossip. What do you think?” (22:50)
  • Erika: “Although I think men get treated as if they don’t. Come on, where do they shop, talk?” (23:00)
  • Sports, business, and “shop talk” are highlighted as male-coded gossip.

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2. Gossip as Social Glue

• Erika, citing her anthropologist sister, reframes gossip as an ancient human tool for intelligence gathering and tribe-building. (01:22)

  “Anthropologists actually say gossip is an important part of the social fabric.” (01:22)

• Kim: “It’s not just yapping. It’s how we create our tribes and networks.” (01:33)
• Both hosts reflect on how gossip can foster connection rather than simply being malicious.

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3. Personal Boundaries and Gossip

• Erika shares a personal story about being labeled “difficult” on a show, demonstrating how gossip can impact reputations:

  “Somebody said... that I was difficult. If you have strong opinions, you can be seen as difficult. If you’re a woman, you can be seen as difficult...” (13:23)

• Kim relates behind-the-scenes cast gossip and reputational challenges:

  “We were called difficult because we were asking for the best...” (15:33)

• The pair discuss the blurred line between advocacy and being perceived as challenging, especially for women and Black actors.

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4. Technology, Gossip & The Evolution of Connection

• The episode spotlights how cell phones changed the landscape of communication and, by extension, gossip.
  • The group reminisces about payphones vs. always-on connectivity.
• Erika on pre-digital solitude:

  “You weren’t tethered… I enjoyed the time when I could just be alone with my thoughts.” (10:34–10:57)

• The storyline’s comedic mishaps with cell phones (butt dials, wrong messages) are compared to today’s digital pitfalls.

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5. Inside the Living Single Episode: “A Tale of Two Tattles”

• Synopsis: Regine’s gossip threatens friendships, as she unwittingly provides her comedian boyfriend with material from her friends’ private lives; chaos ensues, and everyone realizes they’re guilty of sharing too much.
• Fun fact: Writer Warren Hutchinson, the episode’s actual writer and first Black male writer on the show, appears as the club’s warmup comic (20:00).
• Kim’s Showbiz Anecdote: She nearly joined “Hangin’ with Mr. Cooper” but held out for her own show—ultimately landing Living Single:

  “I wanted to do my own show... but a year later, Living Single.” (06:56–07:33)

• The group explores comedians’ use of real-life material and the awkwardness when personal stories are borrowed or exposed. (20:44–21:32)

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6. Gossip in the Media & Public Eye

• Reflection on gossip’s centrality in entertainment journalism.
• Kim shares how she managed being the subject of a tabloid scandal, revealing trade tricks of gossip journalism (e.g., the use of “an insider says” for legal protection):

  “We just say that it’s true that someone told us this thing. So it is really... quite an industry.” (30:51)

• Erika and Kim discuss Black entertainers’ complicated relationship with gossip columns and cultural invisibility or hypervisibility:

  “If the paparazzi are not at your door... that means you’re not valuable.” (31:46)

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7. Jason Lee on Gossip, Boundaries, and Media Ethics

• Jason unpacks his rise from tough beginnings to media mogul, stressing empathy and the difference between “gossip” and “truth-telling”:

  “Gossip is when you just create a rumor for clicks... versus getting the facts or the tea, which for me is truth, trust, transparency.” (59:31)

• He details his boundaries (e.g., not attacking children or outing people), and his regrets—most notably, an on-air insult directed at Jennifer Hudson that he later publicly apologized for. (50:31–52:21)
• On ethical reporting:

  “I called Khloe first and said, hey, this is what we got…” (59:44–60:18)

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8. Surprise Guest: Big Les (Leslie Seagar)

• Big Les—the iconic silhouette from the Living Single opening credits—joins the group, sharing her journey from gymnast to legendary dancer and choreographer.
• She highlights the challenges and triumphs of being a visibly Black, curvy woman in the dance and entertainment industries:

  “For me to be able to do like double backs and double twists... with large breasts and thick thighs... I've been doubted for so many years. But you don't realize what you're doing is affecting people...” (64:34)

• Erika and Kim shower her with flowers for her representation and lasting impact.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Value of Gossip:

• Erika: “Gossip brings people together. You and 19, right?” (26:09)
• Kim: “If everyone’s spilling the tea, does that make Regine the leader of the gossip squad or just its loudest member?” (25:39)

On Setting Boundaries:

• Jason Lee: “The line for me has always been, don’t attack children... and don’t out people.” (46:33)

On Reputation and Truth:

• Jason Lee: “I’m not gossiping. I’m literally just telling the truth as I see it...” (45:04)
• Kim Coles: “We were called difficult because we were asking for the best of the best... That is perceived as being difficult. Someone else could go, this is collaborative.” (15:33)

On Representation:

• Big Les: “You don’t realize what you’re doing is affecting people... thank you for representing or being a girl of your size... making me believe that I didn’t have to be a size 2 or that I could be brown.” (64:34–65:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Gossip Debate Begins: 00:00–01:11
• Anthropological View of Gossip: 01:11–02:15
• Personal Boundaries and Early Set Stories: 02:32–03:42
• Living Single Episode Recap: 04:56–09:36
• Cell Phone Revolution & Solitude: 09:36–11:13
• Reputation and Industry Gossip: 13:23–15:55
• Gossip & Gender Stereotypes: 22:50–23:53
• Kyle’s Cell Mishap (‘Butt Dial’): 17:25–18:43
• Comedians Using Real-Life Material: 20:44–21:32
• Media Industry Tricks & Kim’s Tabloid Story: 30:51–32:51
• Jason Lee’s Ethics/Borders on Gossip: 46:33–47:52
• Surprise Guest: Big Les: 61:32–65:54

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Episode Highlights & Takeaways

• Gossip is universal and complex: Both men and women do it; it serves as entertainment, connection, and, at times, cultural survival—but can also be weaponized.
• Personal experience + cultural observation = rich storytelling: Cast and guests blend “Living Single” nostalgia with candid testimony about the realities of showbiz gossip.
• Boundaries and reflection matter: Jason Lee’s evolution and regret over past mistakes shows the personal and professional weight of what’s said in public.
• Representation and legacy: The inclusion of trailblazers like Big Les underscores the ongoing significance of visibility and breaking barriers in Black pop culture.
• Empathy and self-awareness: All guests touch on the need for empathy, humility, and learning from missteps, especially when holding public influence.

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Final Thoughts

The episode ends on a celebratory note—with the cast giving flowers to Big Les and cheers for Jason Lee’s career journey—while reaffirming that gossip, though double-edged, is intrinsic to human relationships and community. As Erika sums up:

“But, you know, gossip, brings people together. That’s U N I T Y right there...” (27:35)

Whether you adore Living Single or are simply fascinated by the ways gossip shapes our lives and culture, this episode’s blend of humor, candidness, and remembrance is essential listening.

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Transcript

[Kim Coles]

Coming up on Reliving Single. This week's episode is all about gossip. This trope that women are the gossips.

[Jason Lee]

Men.

[Kim Coles]

Absolutely. Gossip. What do you think?

[Erica Alexander]

I'm gonna say Women.

[Kim Coles]

You think women talk more? Gossip more.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes. Who was the biggest gossiper?

[Kim Coles]

Why do you say that?

[Erica Alexander]

You did the biggest service to the community.

[Kim Coles]

I like that. The reframe. Thank you, Jason Lee. And the crowd goes wild when people.

[Jason Lee]

Think I do gossip. I'm not gossiping. I'm literally just telling the truth. Truth. As I see it open the door.

[Erica Alexander]

Driving me what people thought. Oh, my God.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, my gosh.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

And we all still look 25.

[Kim Coles]

Yes. Welcome back to Reliving Single, the official unofficial living single rewatch podcast. And this week's episode is all about gossip.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Gossip. Gossip. You know, it's interesting. The anthropologist. Okay, I gotta brag here. My sister, my little sister Myeshia is actually an anthropologist.

[Kim Coles]

Oh.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. She just got inducted as a fellow to the Royal Society of Anthropology. So proud of you. That kind of thing. But anthropologists actually say that gossip is a important part of the social fabric.

[Kim Coles]

Of course. It is not just yapping. It's not just yapping. It's a intelligence gathering. It's how we create our tribes and our social networks.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Love it. Love it.

[Kim Coles]

Reframe.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think you dig anthropology, right?

[Kim Coles]

I do. I actually. Most people don't know this, but one of the times, the last time I dropped into college, I was studying to be an anthropologist. And I love the study of us and how we become us. And it's fascinating. And I think comedians are anthropologists. I think actors are anthropologists. You have to study the human being, the human psyche, the human how we come. Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

How we dig in and figure, you know, I love that.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

You know, it's amazing. I love it. You know, is that clippy?

[Kim Coles]

I don't even know if the kids do to that. So what do you think of gossip? Like, is it a bad thing? Is it a good thing?

[Erica Alexander]

Well, first of all, I think that if that's the case, that means the biggest gossip in your community is probably doing you a public service.

[Kim Coles]

That's it.

[Erica Alexander]

You're doing community service. You're doing the Lord's work. We kind of met each other because you were a person who actually loved to connect people. And one of the things you do is, you know, you tell little tidbits and so you weren't. Not exactly a gossip. But I felt it was gossipy. And when you first met me on the living Single set. When we first met, I famously told you, I don't like gossip.

[Kim Coles]

You shut me down. I was talking about someone. Cause I was. It really is to me a form of chronic. And I wasn't being malicious. And I don't gossip as a malicious. In a malicious way. Like, what do you think of. I mean, well, that had a little edge to it. And you stopped me. I remember where we were standing, we were walking across the lot, and you said, listen, I really like you, and I think that we're gonna be working together for a while. I feel that. And I just. I don't gossip.

[Jason Lee]

I just don't gossip.

[Kim Coles]

And I remember and understand you're nine years younger than me. So here's this young girl telling me I don't gossip, and we're just not going to do that here. And I remember apologizing. I'm so. So if I've offended you, and you're absolutely correct, and that is really not the way to be, and please, please, I will respect that boundary. And then within a week and a.

[Erica Alexander]

Half, a week later, well, you were.

[Kim Coles]

Just great to chop it up with. I wanted to hear your opinion of what was going on, so I trusted you.

[Erica Alexander]

You know, it's fun. It's fun to do, but frankly, that's not what we're doing. We're connecting and that type of thing. But what is the weirdest or, you know, worst or best thing that anything anybody ever said about you in if. Or you read about yourself in the press?

[Kim Coles]

I have a story about being in one. You know, we used to call them the rags. There's a rag, you know, there's, you know, TMZ now and, you know, there's all these places, all these other places. I was actually in one of those rags. And maybe later in the episode, I'll tell you how I managed. The lies that were in this. There were lies. How I got to just wait. Okay, we'll talk about later. We'll talk about it later.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

You're right.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay, let's jump. Okay. All right. Well, let's do this.

[Kim Coles]

Let's do this. Those who lead deserve a car that.

[Jason Lee]

Leads with them, because a car that doesn't move you is a car that falls short of amazing. That's the Lexus standard. The standard of amazing.

[Kim Coles]

It's time for the rewind where we watch and relive living single with you.

[Erica Alexander]

All right, today we are talking about living single. Season 1, Episode 25 A Tale of Two Tattles. Ray Jean's gossiping. She's gossiping. And it's hitting a breaking point when it's revealed that she's been sharing Maxine Sinclair's and Khadijah's personal business with her new standup comedian boyfriend, played by Mark Curry.

[Kim Coles]

Yes, the great Mark Curry.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, there you go.

[Kim Coles]

I've got stories about Mark Curry.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, love it.

[Kim Coles]

So meanwhile, Kyle gets a new cell phone and asks Overton to program it for him. What could go wrong? Now, this is really a beautiful episode for many reasons because we have special guest Mark Curry, but we have Warren Hutchinson. And Warren Hutchinson was the first black male writer on Living Single. Went on to EP the Bernie Mac show, Parenthood, Moesha and Raven's Home. And I know Warren from Stand up in New York, directed by Jim Drake, and like I said, starring Mark Curry. And we'll tell a little story about Warren Hutchinson a little bit later too.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, this is chock full of nuts.

[Kim Coles]

Chock full of nuts. Hey, you guys.

[Erica Alexander]

Hey, Tony. How's the standup going?

[Jason Lee]

Ah, it's going really good. But I got bumped from Arsenio three times. They keep booking me with Richard Simmons. And, you know, once he skips into the audience doing that little dilly mill dance is all over with. You can lose weight too.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, he is going to be big.

[Erica Alexander]

That's why I like him.

[Kim Coles]

Here we go. Regine invites her new boo, Tony over who? And he's a standup comedian who looks like he's about to make it big. No wonder Regine's with him. But it's played by a comedian who really did make it big. And he had already made it big by the time he's doing this episode. His show hanging with Mr. Cooper was on, was a success.

[Erica Alexander]

And this is your friend, a fellow comedian. That means you have the 411 on Mark Curry. Tell us what's going on.

[Kim Coles]

Fun fact. So Mark Curry had a deal at abc, I had a deal at NBC. He called me and said, hey, Kim Coles, come on and do my show. I got a show like he. They put a team around him and this show was being created for him. And he said, come on, do my show. And I was like, I don't want to do your show. I want to do my own show. I, you know, I'm thinking NBC's giving me a deal. I'm gonna get my own show. Come on and do my show, Kim. I was like, I don't wanna do your show. I'm gonna get my own show. And that show was hanging with Mr. Cooper. So I would have been on his show if I had said yes. But I held out. Nothing happened at NBC for me. It all went away. But a year later, living.

[Erica Alexander]

So it's important to believe in yourself.

[Kim Coles]

It is.

[Erica Alexander]

You know what I mean? And take your shot.

[Kim Coles]

I did. I was like, I don't wanna do your show. You know, come on, Kim. We play. We can have some fun.

[Erica Alexander]

Did you feel some kind of way telling your friend no? Cause that's hard sometimes. Because that's not a small thing to say. Come on, do my show.

[Kim Coles]

I did. I felt bad, but I also felt. I think it was ego. I'll be honest. Ego. I was like, you got your show. I'm gonna get my own.

[Erica Alexander]

For sure. You get your own show.

[Kim Coles]

Get my own. I got our own.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, I think that you got your own show that was developed for you. And you know what I mean? And I think that in my way. In your way. And so I think that's confidence.

[Kim Coles]

It was confidence or was it ego?

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

I don't know.

[Erica Alexander]

We're told to be humble and all these other things, and other people are, you know, encouraged to have a push and, you know, and brag and all that. Brag, sister, that ain't real show.

[Kim Coles]

I want my own. And we would have had fun. And I don't know which character I would have been. I would have had to audition or whatever. It would have either been the Don Lewis role or the Holly Robinson Pete role. I don't know.

[Erica Alexander]

Both our friends.

[Kim Coles]

Both our friends. And so they were meant to have that, and I was absolutely meant to have that.

[Erica Alexander]

Good for you.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, he was a little mad at me, but that's okay.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, here he is on your show.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, that's right. There you go. Hey, Kyle. How the hell should I know where you calling from?

[Jason Lee]

Because I'm right here with my brand new, top of the line, state of the art kahara c1000 cellular foe.

[Kim Coles]

I made it vibrant.

[Erica Alexander]

Wait.

[Jason Lee]

Since you are having so much fun with my new phone, why don't you program some numbers in it for me? I'll take care of that as soon as Sinclair works out. There's not over there, baby. That's the spot. You know what I like. Take it home. Take it home.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, Kyle has come over now. He's come over to flex his new fancy cell phone, but it's clear he has no idea how to use it. So Overton agrees to help him program his contacts.

[Kim Coles]

Can you imagine?

[Erica Alexander]

This was the beginning of the beginning. I know y' all don't understand that There was a beginning, right. When these things became to the consumer.

[Kim Coles]

Does Gen Z even understand that there was a time that there was nothing. You went to the payphone that had cooties on it and you shh, tik tik tik shik tick until my generation is the sh. And then came the push button.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right. And this changed everything. It's hard to imagine, but it was new technology then and it changed our whole world.

[Kim Coles]

Do you remember what it was like not to be so connected? What did we do when we were meeting friends out and we couldn't call and say, hey, I'm on my way. What did we do?

[Erica Alexander]

You had to use a payphone.

[Kim Coles]

Uh huh.

[Erica Alexander]

You had to knock on people's door or house phone, call them like, yo man, the phone really was like. If you were close enough in the city. It was a whole different world. I think I remember just having much more time to myself. My own thoughts. Of course, you know, it was a. That was. Wow.

[Kim Coles]

It's actually a good time.

[Erica Alexander]

We had free range minds.

[Kim Coles]

We did, yes. I actually fought having a cell phone for a long time. Like I was not an early adopter at all.

[Erica Alexander]

Pre cell phone, we had landlines. But you still had your own thoughts. You still could, you know, do your own thing.

[Kim Coles]

Right. There was no sitting on a subway and texting or watching a video. Like you just, you read a book or you just were alone with your thoughts.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. You weren't tethered.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, right. And I love the connection that we have. But I gotta tell you, I enjoyed the time when I could just be alone with my thoughts. Now you have to choose being alone with your thoughts. Why are you laughing? You have to choose it. You have to choose it.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, it's actually most people can't do it.

[Kim Coles]

No, no. Young folks don't.

[Erica Alexander]

They don't even know their own thoughts because you now regurgitating other people's thoughts. You're not ideating. That was ideation time.

[Kim Coles]

Right. What did our grandmothers think? What would they, you know, they think that we move fast and we think that this new generation moves super, super fast.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Anyway, she was calling to say she couldn't make it to the comedy club tonight.

[Jason Lee]

All right.

[Kim Coles]

She also said that she was glad.

[Erica Alexander]

That Alonzo and I made up.

[Kim Coles]

Now how does this fruit shaped friend.

[Erica Alexander]

Of yours even know Alonzo and I had a fight?

[Kim Coles]

Cause I, I may have mentioned it.

[Erica Alexander]

That's because Radio Free Ray Jean is on the mic 24 7.

[Kim Coles]

I do not gossip, all right.

[Erica Alexander]

I merely Commiserate on the human condition.

[Kim Coles]

Okay?

[Erica Alexander]

And if you don't like it, you.

[Kim Coles]

Don'T have to use my free tickets.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

To the comedy club tonight.

[Kim Coles]

Oh, you think I'm on the take?

[Erica Alexander]

You think you could just buy me.

[Kim Coles]

With a couple of freebies? Well, you lucky you can. Yeah, well, Regine clearly has a gossip problem.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

And she's spreading everybody's business. She told her co worker that Khadijah's fighting with her boyfriend. And she told her friends at home all the details about her co workers. This earns her the nickname Radio Regime after Do the right things, Radio Raheem, the great Bill Nunn, who's a sweetie pie, too. And so to make up for it, she invites her friends to see her new boyfriend's comedy show.

[Erica Alexander]

You know what? We look.

[Kim Coles]

It's how we socialize, though. Did you hear about so and so? I think that part of it is about making us feel better about our lives. So if we can gossip about so and so having an affair or so and so's life not being so so and so. Did you hear that the only way they could lose weight is if, you know, took this pill or just like, it makes us feel like, oh, so much. Oh, my God, my life is so much better. So I think that's also part of the lure and the love of gossip.

[Erica Alexander]

But does it sometime help you learn more? Learn something, well, important about yourself, like something that people wouldn't say to you, but the gossip kind of finds its way back.

[Kim Coles]

Has that happened to you?

[Erica Alexander]

Yes.

[Kim Coles]

What do you mean?

[Erica Alexander]

Well, somebody said, not somebody who knows who, that I was difficult. Now, that comes up a lot because if you have strong opinions, you know, you can be seen as difficult. If you're a woman, you can be seen as difficult. You can do it. So I'd heard it, but this was very specific to a show that I just did. And it came from the executives at a major studio. And so. And they felt comfortable telling me because they were all young executives, younger than me, and there they were telling me, oh, yeah, they say. And I was. So who did they hear it from?

[Kim Coles]

Who did they hear it from?

[Erica Alexander]

They heard it from a writer from one of the shows. That's what it turned out. And I was like, there's no way. I came in and did that gig and left, and there's no way. And I couldn't figure it out. And it haunted me a little bit, only because I can let things roll off my back. I got a strong, thick skin. But that was particularly egregious because I know who I was in that moment. You know what I mean? And there was no time for that. And also, I pride myself on being very low maintenance on set. I just like to. I don't even ask too many questions. If I have a question, I'll ask. If I disagree, I might say, well, you know, whatever. But actually, I don't. I want to keep it moving. I asked. I called and asked one of the cast members, and we went through it and he. And finally he said, I know who it was. And then once I kind of knew and it made sense. It was just one of those things where what he had put on the page wasn't physically possible. So I said, well, show me how and I'll do it. Just show me. Oh, no, I want to do that. I said, but I don't mind, actually, that's fine. Wouldn't do it. Do it. And then from there, I think he felt like I was pushing back or didn't want to do what he said. But I was just making it make sense for me, you know, because. And so it came back. It was gossip. And it came back from people who. You don't want them gossiping about that where you eat and live, you don't never shit where you eat.

[Kim Coles]

Right?

[Erica Alexander]

Also, as a cast, we had a reputation that we were difficult and, you know, that the gossip out there. And I thought to myself, well, they're not looking at the full totality. And at any one point, perhaps anyone could make that, you know.

[Kim Coles]

Well, we were called difficult because we were asking for the best of the best or wanting to be very involved in our characters and in the. And in the, you know, the writing and the script, like, hey, instead of this line, how about this? And so that. That is perceived as. By someone else as being difficult. Someone else could go, oh, wow, this is a really collaborative experience.

[Erica Alexander]

So, yeah, plus, we were cast to doing a lot of things. You know, if you look at any sort of production, it has its issues, and over five years, you have issues, whatever. But I think that overall, I'm really proud that this cast, and you can see it in the work, you know, how we banded together and show up. We had our own sort of observations. But, yeah, over and over, a little bit, that was a little difficult to be like, yo, man, we were one of the coolest cast you could be on. If you came on our show, you had a good time, you were respected, and we did our gig. And so, yeah, it's all.

[Kim Coles]

It's perception and perspective and if you're a producer that's like, just read the lines as written, then we would be perceived as difficult.

[Erica Alexander]

That's that. That part, right. And guess what?

[Kim Coles]

I'll take it. I'll take it.

[Jason Lee]

I'd really like to figure out how to program more numbers into Kyle's phone. Cause 56 ladies numbers just aren't gonna fit.

[Erica Alexander]

56 ladies girl.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, but see, most of them are just to support Kyle's playboy delusions. Guess we'll start off with bachelorette number one. Phaedra. One button. Hello, answering machine. Hello, Phaedra. This is Overton, Kyle's roommate, and I'm programming his new cellular phone. And you'll be happy to know that your phone number is the first in his new phone as well as in his heart. Oh, cool. You're home, Phaedra. Hey, I was one. Uh, Leslie.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay. Uh. Oh. While hanging with Sinclair, Overton finally programs Kyle's phone like he promised. But in true Overton fashion, he accidentally exposes Kyle. Two time aways with both of his girlfriends. Lord have mercy.

[Kim Coles]

What?

[Erica Alexander]

Come on. I mean, come on. This is foreshadowing the butt dials.

[Kim Coles]

The butt dials.

[Erica Alexander]

And how we end millions of relationships in the future. My God.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Globally.

[Kim Coles]

Globally around the world.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, yeah. He was trying to do a good thing.

[Kim Coles]

He was. And also proof that, you know, again, I always come back to us not being dumb at all. He was brilliant. He was able to program. He's a mechanical genius. Yeah, nowadays we know how to program without even thinking about it. But back then, Overton's doing the. Doing the do and messing it up.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, see, that's just it. And also nowadays, when you push send, sometimes you're horrified when you realize that it's to the wrong person. And that, to me, is an example of how you can tell somebody's business or your own business by mistake accidentally, and go, oh, my God, that's happened. Now you have a sec? Now they have this like, vanish thing.

[Kim Coles]

You can pull it back unsend.

[Erica Alexander]

You know what? I think a lot of people were having heart attacks. To this day, I actually have ptsd. Yeah, because it's happened. And it wasn't anything bad. It just. I hate it. So I can barely push send without feeling that checking over and over.

[Kim Coles]

I double check, make sure. Okay. Make sure.

[Erica Alexander]

And on Instagram, loading up stuff. What if I put the wrong picture?

[Kim Coles]

Right, Right. And people see it right away, right away.

[Erica Alexander]

You can never pull it back.

[Kim Coles]

Has it happened to you something?

[Erica Alexander]

No.

[Kim Coles]

Okay, okay.

[Erica Alexander]

But that's my fear. So I rarely post things without having.

[Kim Coles]

Check and double check. Right.

[Erica Alexander]

It's like I've had a night sweat posting an Instagram. It's horrible.

[Kim Coles]

Time to be careful. Very careful.

[Erica Alexander]

This guy, you've probably seen him in strictly business 3.

[Jason Lee]

He's currently on a 10 college tour opening for Leroy and Skillet.

[Erica Alexander]

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mr. Tony Ross.

[Jason Lee]

Give it up for her. Check this out. I know a woman, an attorney, ate a whole pot of free chili before she went to court. She had so much gas. The judge said, another outburst like that and we gonna clear the courtroom.

[Erica Alexander]

Now.

[Kim Coles]

That sounds like what happened to you.

[Erica Alexander]

Sounds like Ray Jean been running her mouth.

[Jason Lee]

I know a woman will get her feet waxed every other week. I can't get with that. I was at the other feet saying, damn, Sasquatch, I thought you was wearing fur slippers. She got in the shower, looked like she had a Jheri curl on her ankle.

[Kim Coles]

So there's a lot going on in this scene. Let's break it down. First of all, the first person that you see on stage is the writer of this episode, Warren Hutchinson. Hutchinson. And the reason why this is, I really want to point this out, is that we, at this time of working on Living Single, requested to have more black men in the room. There were no black male writers in that writer's room. And we felt that it was needed and necessary. John Hinton said, what about Warren Hutchinson? I co signed because I had done standup with Warren in New York and he was the perfect person to come and write on this show. And he wrote himself into the episode as a warmup. Right. And it's beautiful. Cause he's gone on to do amazing, amazing. And he's the nicest guy.

[Erica Alexander]

So Mark Curry as Tony.

[Kim Coles]

Yes.

[Erica Alexander]

Is in this scene using material that Regine gave him for his act. Now, is that normal for a comedian?

[Kim Coles]

Oh, comedians, of course. You use your life. You use. We are observers of. We are the thieves. We are the anthropologists. Well, you're just looking at life and you're telling the stories on stage and hopefully changing the names of the innocent. But it was just. It was a straight run from her mouth to his stage.

[Erica Alexander]

So since you say it's okay to have the material, were you ever in someone's act and you recognized that that material was you?

[Kim Coles]

I didn't say it was okay. I just said that's what comedians do. I don't know that I've been in someone's act.

[Erica Alexander]

So you're not the source code.

[Kim Coles]

I'm not the source code for someone. For someone's act. But I've used a little bit of stuff. I changed of the innocent.

[Erica Alexander]

Oh, come on, y'.

[Kim Coles]

All. Somebody talk to me.

[Erica Alexander]

Why bother? Well, just talk to Tony. Eliminate the middleman.

[Jason Lee]

Come on, ladies. Now don't you think you're being a bit hard on Regine? You need to take a page from our book. Men would just laugh this whole thing off.

[Kim Coles]

That's right.

[Erica Alexander]

And when you think about it, it's really pretty funny.

[Jason Lee]

Women have no sense of humor. Yeah, not like us, huh? That's right, buddy. Yeah, me. And we can laugh at anything. I'm telling you, man, we can't. Remember that time you told me to program your phone?

[Kim Coles]

Uh huh. Here's the.

[Jason Lee]

I thought I was calling Phaedra and it turns out Leslie answered the phone. Man, I done dialed the wrong number by mistake.

[Kim Coles]

Well, well, well, here we are, the girls are pissed and giving Regine the silent treatment. Now Kyle shrugs it off, claiming they're just being sensitive and don't know real comedy. That is until Overton casually mentions that he accidentally programmed Kyle's phone to blow up his side chick situation. Suddenly Kyle's not laughing either. Now that's comedy.

[Erica Alexander]

Woo. Come on now, who gossiped more, men or women?

[Kim Coles]

Both. And I don't like this. This trope that women are the gossips. Men absolutely gossip. What do you think?

[Erica Alexander]

I'll say. I'm gonna say women.

[Kim Coles]

You think women talk more?

[Erica Alexander]

Gossip more. Yes, I do. Although I think that men get treated as if they don't come on where they shop, talk.

[Kim Coles]

And then we have that episode that we did where we're playing cards. It was awful gossip that this man was talking about how he had had sex with Regene and he had not. So sometimes it's made up gossip to make yourself look, you know, more virile or something.

[Erica Alexander]

So maybe you're saying there's gossip and then there's straight lines. So you know what happens?

[Kim Coles]

Straight line and talking about it.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, because maybe things get conflated, like when you just talk and shooting the breeze. Is that gossip? No, that's y' all connecting and talking. Shooting the breeze, you know, and I.

[Kim Coles]

Think there's a fine line between talking about something, sharing it, you know, because we're just being social. And then there's the malicious gossip. It's still malicious and mean and meant to hurt someone if they were to hear it. Certainly.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, but men have a lot to gossip about. If you think about in sports, they're always talking about who's trading who? Somebody's going over there. Like, I hear this, I hear that if we look at those shows on ESPN and other places, you know, a lot of that, what they talk about is rumors. So let's say we say gossip. But the rumor mill is, oh, we have a rumor that.

[Kim Coles]

Right, right. We heard that this is happening behind the scenes. We hear that so and so is getting married. So it's all, I. I think we need it. I think that's what keeps life. I'm not saying we need it and it. When it's negative, but I think it's. Again, I go back to. It's looking at someone else's life. You know, your life is your life, but you're looking at someone else's life as being more interesting or more worthy of talking about. Cause ain't nobody talking about you anyway.

[Jason Lee]

Hey, I'm sorry.

[Erica Alexander]

All right.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Okay.

[Erica Alexander]

We cool.

[Jason Lee]

It's just that I like to talk about things that are real. But you must admit, the part about stuff in the prom dress was pretty funny. You know about that? Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

And I never even told Regine. Only person I ever told was.

[Erica Alexander]

Well.

[Kim Coles]

I ain't tell regean. I told Max. And it was funny, and I had to tell somebody.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Dagnabbit.

[Erica Alexander]

Ray Jean, I told you in the strictest confidence.

[Kim Coles]

Uh, don't even try to play me like that, woman.

[Erica Alexander]

If you didn't want me to know, you should have.

[Jason Lee]

Hey, thank you. I'm Tony Ross. You guys been great. Drive safely.

[Erica Alexander]

Tony tries to make things right, but the crew quickly realizes Ray Jean wasn't the only one leaking secrets. It turns out it's a total clatter fart. Hope you looked that up. Everybody's been sipping and spilling the tea, so they make a pact to stop gossiping. And that's for real this time.

[Kim Coles]

So now we have Regine is redeemed.

[Erica Alexander]

Yep.

[Kim Coles]

If everyone's spilling the tea, does that make Regine the leader of the gossip squad or just its loudest member?

[Erica Alexander]

Its loudest member. Yeah, she was outed before, but then suddenly, Tony's material starts to reveal that they have all been talking and he's been listening to them all. All of it. So, you know, maybe even they didn't know accidentally. It's all in there. They feel like they are all guilty.

[Kim Coles]

And are they guilty or they just living life? This is what we do. We talk. We talk.

[Erica Alexander]

That's what I say.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah. Gossip brings people together. You and 19, right?

[Kim Coles]

Whatever it takes.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes. So I'm gonna cut in right now. As you guys are talking about gossip. So between the living single cast out of everybody, who was the biggest gossiper?

[Kim Coles]

Uh, why do you say that?

[Erica Alexander]

You did the biggest service to the community.

[Kim Coles]

I like that. The reframe. Thank you.

[Erica Alexander]

Y' all are not gonna believe what I just heard.

[Kim Coles]

Look, we not trying to hear any more of your gossip, all right?

[Erica Alexander]

It's about Kyle. Okay, Maybe we should consider that Kyle sprinkles his sheets with enough baby powder to choke a horse. Then.

[Kim Coles]

Wait a minute.

[Erica Alexander]

Charles, the brother ironed his underwear. He's the main course when Kyle reaches his romantic peak. My brother stutters.

[Kim Coles]

The crew has agreed to stop gossiping, but Regine returns with some tea. So good. Too good to keep too juicy. Yes. A Kyle puts too much baby powder on his sheets, and he stutters when he climaxes.

[Erica Alexander]

Wow.

[Kim Coles]

I love this. I love this because we're like.

[Erica Alexander]

We're like.

[Kim Coles]

We just get so excited.

[Erica Alexander]

But, you know, gossip, bring people together. That's U N I T Y right there, right? You know, I love it. Yeah, yeah. That's fun. But by the way, great writing. Great writing. Yeah. Thank you for watching. Yeah, yeah. Because why you got to do comedy within a comedy, right?

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

It's a whole nother skill set. Gossip is big business. There's a whole cottage industry devoted to gossip. And I think it has built empires.

[Kim Coles]

Built empires and has been going on for a long, long. So we know, you know, human history has been going on long, but come on.

[Erica Alexander]

Archaeologists, anthropologists.

[Kim Coles]

But then there's also, you know, the industry, show business. You know, they would put two stars together even if they weren't really together, and then create gossip around them. Absolutely.

[Erica Alexander]

They absolutely did that. Yeah. So, I mean, and then you have all the things. You have the National Choir, TMZ, page 6. Page 6.

[Kim Coles]

Star Magazine, Shade Room, Reddit, People magazine.

[Erica Alexander]

The thing you're talking about is the Confidential magazine, Confident magazine. That's the 1950s. They would definitely create these larger than life Personas through the gossip pages.

[Kim Coles]

Or even, you know, you would get dressed up and go, you know, grocery shopping and there be someone there taking your picture. Look, Joan Crawford buys her own cantaloupes. And that was all part of the lore of, like, see, look, the stars are just like us or they're nothing like us. Look at, you know, Elizabeth Taylor and her 17,000 diamonds and all that. Yeah. So it was and is still an industry.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, it's an industry that built Rupert Murdoch's empire.

[Kim Coles]

It sure did.

[Erica Alexander]

And if you look at certainly the National Choir and Page Six and Fox News Network. One of the things that you'd have to sort of admit is that there was this, you know, industry of trading information. And that still goes on, I guess between. If you're on in media, you kind of need people to tell you things. That's how politics works too.

[Kim Coles]

This is the story I was not gonna tell, but I'll tell. Oh, I was in one of. We used to call them the rags. I was in one of the rags. A story that was completely untrue, but it was fabricated. That this was happening and this was happening and the details aren't such. And I had the great joy or privilege to interview a major player in this. I don't wanna say names. Cause I don't wanna get sued. A major player. Cause I did a talk show from Chicago and I asked him why did. Like I could prove each one of those things in the paper that was not true. And he said the way. How do you get away with this and don't get sued all the time? He said, well, we get sued, but the truth is we don't say that it's true. We say that it's true that someone told us this. So that's why you see, an insider says someone close to the star says someone close to the production says. We just say that it's true that someone told us this thing. I later found out that that's how there are people who get paid. Like, just do me a favor, just say this. Tell me, tell me this is what you saw on set. Great. Read that. Great. You told me that. Great. It's been told. Now we can print it. So it is really. It is quite an industry usual talk about that could have ruined my life. Because that thing that you print, it was not true. So. But someone told us that it was. I was like, oh, wow.

[Erica Alexander]

So it's hard to. You can't be vindicated because unless you start to engage.

[Kim Coles]

Right.

[Erica Alexander]

Was there ever a way that you thought that you could defeat it?

[Kim Coles]

I thought I could, but there's nothing I could do other than say this is not true. And then it goes away.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, they say all press is good press. But let. Let. Just to let you know, I have a different take because I saw for years and I used to notice that it was very hard to get into those magazines. And then I thought, well, maybe it's good we're left out of. Especially for black people. Black, you know, artists, black actors, they're not, you know, they're not spreading our business. And it's not there. There were other places that could. But why not in the big pages? Unless you were, say, as popular, as famous as Halle Berry. But that's a problem, because if the paparazzi are not at your door, if you're not included in those types of, you know, information exchanges, that means you're not valuable. And so I think that it's all.

[Kim Coles]

They don't think that you're valuable.

[Erica Alexander]

Of importance when those people show up at your door and take pictures. And then those photographers can sell those pictures. If they can't sell them, they're not going to take a picture of you.

[Kim Coles]

So catch 22, then.

[Erica Alexander]

Catch 22, yeah.

[Kim Coles]

So you don't want to be in them, but you. And then we also know there's plenty of folks who pay to be seen, pay to get in.

[Erica Alexander]

There's no doubt. There's no doubt. It's all sorts of manipulation. Certainly in the radio, we call it pay to play. You know, you give me, Give the person the money, and then they'll play that record. But in a way, you kind of need to plant these stories in these magazines. So then suddenly people think, oh, they're of importance. I need to get them on my interview show. And so it is a catch 22. And I think that rap certainly changed it. You know, it became a force that you had to deal with. They were so huge and there was so much going on, good, bad and ugly, that people started to report the Source magazine, remember that Vibe? You know, but still we were outside of the mainstream gospel.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah. We created our own cottage industry around that so that we could have it for ourselves. I think some of it's good, and I think a lot of it is not so good.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, yeah, because you're promoting it. You say brand awareness and, you know.

[Kim Coles]

There'S that famous phrase. It's, I don't care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right.

[Erica Alexander]

That's true.

[Kim Coles]

And it's like, oh, wow. And that's the. That speaks to your. You know, the idea that now I've. I'm valid or validated or now they think I'm important. So it's, it's a. It's a. An interesting relationship that we have with this quote, unquote gossip world.

[Erica Alexander]

It's crazy. Well, this is juicy.

[Kim Coles]

It's real juicy.

[Erica Alexander]

Let's keep it going.

[Kim Coles]

Let's keep it going.

[Erica Alexander]

How in the reverb.

[Kim Coles]

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[Erica Alexander]

I do everything out of my car. I do everything. It's my office, it's my studio, it's my nap podcast.

[Kim Coles]

And shockingly, not where we're recording this podcast.

[Erica Alexander]

Don't spoil season two. Oh, but seriously, I take my calls, I write scripts, I do table reads. All from the car.

[Kim Coles]

I know I do the same thing. My car is like my home, just with better acoustics and less judgment. You know I don't sing.

[Erica Alexander]

I do. I do. And that's why your car can't just be functional. It has to fit your whole vibe. That's right.

[Kim Coles]

And Lexus understood the assignment. I mean, I'm talking about the LX Woo. Luxury to the max. There's poor wood trim, massaging seats, and wait a minute, retractable ottoman.

[Erica Alexander]

Come on, a whole ottoman, y'.

[Jason Lee]

All.

[Erica Alexander]

Plus, it's hybrid, so it's smart, sustainable, and the storage. Mm, Chef's kiss. I even have a table for writing.

[Kim Coles]

And it's a rolling sanctuary that helps you move through life with excellence.

[Erica Alexander]

And you know, Lexus has always been excellent, even back in the 90s. Just like us.

[Kim Coles]

Because that's the standard of amazing.

[Erica Alexander]

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[Kim Coles]

All right, y', all, welcome to the Reverb brought to you by Lexus. Y' all know this is where we reflect and connect and talk about how the episode's themes still echo in the culture. Because just like our stories, Lexus keeps raising the bar. That's the standard of amazing. Since we're talking about buzz and gossip, well, we had to bring in an expert. Someone who knows how to spill it, how to stir it, and how to serve it hot. He's a friend of the show. Literally. And if you're a real fan, you might even remember that he popped in in an episod.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right, Kim. Let us give y' all a little tea on Mr. Lee. He is the founder of Hollywood Unlocked, a host, media mogul, reality TV star, and the current vice mayor of Stockton, California. He's so locked in, rumor has it he once cozied up with the ghost of Marilyn Monroe and went toe to toe with a rock. And won. And won.

[Kim Coles]

Allegedly. Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Lee. And the crowd goes wild.

[Jason Lee]

So crazy.

[Kim Coles]

It's so wonderful to have you.

[Jason Lee]

This is, like, real full circle. All of this came about because of you getting me on the show as, you know, an extra. My first job ever.

[Erica Alexander]

I told you, it's a SAG card. Express.

[Kim Coles]

So you had met Dana in Stockton.

[Jason Lee]

Yes.

[Kim Coles]

And something about you all developed a friendship or. There was something about her that she was just like, I just like this kid. And like. And something about her that you thought that you could reach out to her.

[Jason Lee]

When I met her, we were just kind of, you know, chopping it up. And this was. This was young Dana. Unity. You know, somebody had called her a B. She was still mad in the song, you know. And so in meeting her, we were just talking, and I saw how real she was. And I was in an environment where everybody was dying, selling drugs, doing drugs, or losing things. And I had just come home from foster care, and so I said, you know, I liked her. So I said, you know, give me your number. I'm gonna keep in touch. And she said, no. And I just thought, well. Cause you the queen. I can't get your number. And we started going back and forth, and she, yo, this young boy is crazy. And when she drove away, she just said, if it's meant to be, he'll find me. So, you know, three days later, I was in the hospital. I got shot. I had time on my hands, so I started calling the Man.

[Erica Alexander]

Now, see, that's why I wanna go back. It's literally. You said you got shot. Of course you said you came from foster care. There were all these things. I just gotta back up.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

How'd you get shot? I know you say foster care. Please just give us a little.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, no, for sure. Stockton is a pretty rough community, and even today, it still has its challenges, like a lot of communities around the country. But my mother was a single mother. She was doing the best that she could. My father was already in a marriage with his wife, and so she was trying to figure out how to raise these kids, fell into drugs. This was when cocaine and heroin was really just becoming a big thing in our communities. And so she decided to allow me to go into foster care so I didn't have to go through that struggle with her. So at the time, you don't understand it. But now I look back, and I'm glad that she made sure I was good. But when I got out, I had this newfound freedom. So I was in the streets, and I was on the south side, where I now represent in my community.

[Kim Coles]

Wow.

[Jason Lee]

So I was running these streets, and I went to the fairgrounds, which is in my community, and Dana was one of the performers there. And I just. I liked her. I was able to get backstage and meet her. And we spent the whole afternoon together. And at the end, I wanted to stay in touch. Because where I was growing up, I didn't have a relationship like that. My mother was a recovering addict. My family was industries heavy, and there wasn't really role models that I had. And I looked at her, and I had always been in love with the entertainment culture, celebrity culture. I thought, you know, let me be a friend. And when I asked her for a number, she said no. I said, how dare you?

[Erica Alexander]

He doesn't like no.

[Jason Lee]

That was the beginning of being told no. But that gave me a challenge because I really did want to connect to her because of how pure she was and how nice she was, and she was just cool. So she told me if I was up for the challenge, to figure it out.

[Kim Coles]

But I love that. And what's beautiful about Dana is now. So now we enter. And I would see you on the set, your eyes big, and you were very quiet. You just paid attention to everything. And you took it. And you were so kind. You were so sweet. But Dana gave you that challenge. Cause it was meant for you to do so. Because if she really didn't want you in her life, she never would have let you even let you in. And so there was something about you that she probably loved, that you're probably pure. You're probably reminded of people she knew back home. Because that was just like, hey, I want to be your friend. And it was just real. And I think Dana at the time was navigating Hollywood and you know how fake it can be. And there was something pure and innocent and just, I want to be your friend. That she recognized in.

[Erica Alexander]

Well, you know, Jason has at least exhibiting right at that moment what people call moxie. Your kid. You got moxie.

[Jason Lee]

Moxie.

[Erica Alexander]

And Dana would love. Let's say Latifah loves people who have moxie. You know, somebody who's like, oh, okay, here he is.

[Jason Lee]

But the bigger thing, and this is where I say, this is all full circle. Even being here with you two because when I wrote the book, God must have forgotten about me. And everybody thought it was this Serena Williams. You thought it was that I didn't love God? No, I mean, that's my friend. But she thought the title was kind of scary because she's like, what, you mean you don't love God? No. I think we all go through life when we're going through things and be like, come on God, when you gonna let up? And then you look at other people who have dark spirits or who are not fulfilling as, and you like how you get God, how they get it. So I was always going through life saying, God must have forgotten my being. Here's where I landed with you guys. And then here I come from Stockton, California. Everybody getting shot, drugs, mom recovering, just everything in disarray. I come here the first time and I put this in my book that I had seen black people loving on each other. I positive the energy on the set was just, please, I mean, at least front facing for the audience. No, it was, it was great. But you two in particular, out of everybody, and I'm not saying this just cause I'm here. I remember how nice both of you were to me. And I was a young kid coming out of chaos, always polite, always embracing. I think one year I gave you a big teddy bear. I don't know if you remember this big white teddy bear at the wrap party. Cause it was in garbage bags. I remember having to pull that out. And then I remember just always feeling like you guys were like big sisters to everybody on the set. And I just feel like I don't think people really think about the impact that they're having on other people. Here I am 48 now, 30 years later, 30 some years later, and still remembering that. So, yeah, it's crazy.

[Erica Alexander]

You come from somewhere and you can tell a story that's different to say I came up through the fire. And so therefore I have empathy. And I can see things in a way that is layered and that is different from somebody being an outsider judging.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting because when people think I do gossip, I'm not gossiping. I'm literally just telling the truth as I see it. And the truth is I see it sometimes it's painful for other people who display things they don't want people to see. The first time I met Rihanna, who I had fallen in love with, in terms of like her just representing everything that I want to represent and that I think our culture should represent. Coming from a small town, growing up, poor, fighting Hard to pursue your dreams, becoming everything that you were destined and God wanted you to be, and then pouring back into the same culture and being such an example for people. The first night I met her, she said, the first time. First thing I have to say is that I know it's hard with you doing what you do, being friends with people like me, but I have to tell you, as a woman who's in the industry, I respect how you built your brand. And I just thought about the validation in that, because there are so many narratives that have been built around how I do what I do, because when people have fallen on the other side of my interest, I just tell them the hard truth.

[Kim Coles]

You do.

[Jason Lee]

But I've learned over the years now the power of my platform, that words do have power and that I do have a responsibility to make sure that it's well thought out and not just too reactionary. But, yeah, I mean, I love the entertainment culture, and I love what I do. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's an interesting journey.

[Kim Coles]

How do you know where the line is? Is there some. I bet there are things that, you know that you will never tell. And where do you draw? Where does Jason draw that line?

[Jason Lee]

You know, the line for me has always been, don't attack children. Like, keep children off limits and don't out people. So that's. The ones are just two of the things.

[Erica Alexander]

And those are the lines in your life, too. Like, if you're. You can. Let's just say people can be messy in your own life.

[Jason Lee]

Yes.

[Erica Alexander]

Where does. Where's your boundaries? Because I know this Jason is a Jason that we're seeing, but you also have a Jason that goes behind closed doors. Where's that line?

[Jason Lee]

Well, that Jason is funny because I just had therapy today. That Jason doesn't get judged on the grace he gives. He only gets judged on what you see. Right. And so there's a lot of things that you talk about. Like what? Don't you say, like, private time is private time? When these cameras go. Go off, whatever we talk about is private. I don't go out and share that. And I can spend time with everybody we've talked about today, and what we do or talk about or what I see is off limits because it's private time, and those people that are close to me know that. And then the Jason that is off camera, that doesn't get grace for the grace he gives, that found out all the things or knows all the things he knows, he doesn't get judged. So I have to be very solid in who I am. Because it's not about. For me. It's not about what people think about me. Because, you know, we all gonna die, and you gonna die thinking what you think. And it is what it is. You know, if you don't know me, then. Then you don't get the benefit of having me in your life. And if I don't know you, for whatever reason, I don't get that benefit. But it is what it is.

[Kim Coles]

I've heard you say that you have very few real friends in this business. So you've also. I feel like you've created boundaries so that you are. You only allow this number or this particular person to get in so that you can be able to still do your. Your gig. And how do you. How do you. Do, you know, how does somebody. How does somebody get.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, it sounds like you also isolating yourself, too.

[Jason Lee]

You find it out by being burned, right? Like, I. I say this. I said this the other day at city council. I said, you know, I know I'm the vice mayor.

[Kim Coles]

I know I'm the vice mayor. Come on now. Yes, I remember. I get it.

[Jason Lee]

Yes, I get it. I'm the vice mayor of the 11th largest city in the state. Yes, I am all those.

[Erica Alexander]

That's extraordinary.

[Kim Coles]

Extraordinary.

[Jason Lee]

To go from running the streets to running your city. Right? Like, I get that.

[Kim Coles]

But why not you?

[Jason Lee]

Why not you? But when I walk around, I. In my mind, I'm just. Jason, like, even day walking in here and y' all playing around like, I'm here with you guys. If you read my book. And, you know, all my fans know my story, like, it starts with the day and the journey. It starts with all of that. Anyway, I had. And I'm not gonna be messy today. I'm gonna choose to be not messy. But I will say there's a singer who I befriended who I thought was my friend for me. And then that person would. I started paying attention to little signs where they would. The conversations went from, you know, therapy, empowerment, fixing our lives, you know, all these things to, like, spilling the tea. And I don't gossip about. About celebrity in my real life. Cause I don't care. I don't even know what people are doing half the time. Cause I'm too busy trying to build a city. But they'll shoot. The person would just drop little things. And then it was like I was seeing that they were doing it for me to. They were talking to Hollywood unlocked. They weren't talking to Jason. So once I realized that, I just, you know, I went out there and I put out some of the stuff that they told me. So you were telling me clearly, because you wanted it out there, but you wanted me to be the gun that. That.

[Erica Alexander]

The conduit. Yeah.

[Jason Lee]

So I conduited it right out there.

[Kim Coles]

And I put the name I conduit.

[Erica Alexander]

I conduit.

[Jason Lee]

I conduit, conduit. And I con.

[Erica Alexander]

Did it.

[Kim Coles]

I can't.

[Jason Lee]

And I did the Lord's work, and the Lord removed that person from my life. But what I'm learning in establishing boundaries is that I know who I am. And when I see people like Rihanna or Dana, who are icons in their own right, but I see them as them. We don't see each other as all the other things, then I'm like, okay, I can trust these people. I can be me, and they can trust you, and they can trust me.

[Erica Alexander]

1000%, balancing being an entrepreneur, leading this huge media company. But you can also, you know, slings and arrows, they hurt. You may not know if you're abusing that power. How do you balance that? What keeps you grounded? And you said, partly because of how your story, where you come from, what else?

[Jason Lee]

I mean, there was one time where, you know, I try not to regret anything, and I don't have many regrets, but there was a time where on one of my shows, I said something. I was on the Breakfast Club one day and I was being asked something, and I was one of the co hosts, and, you know, it's live. You're just saying what you think and whatever. And I said in that at the intro to a topic that had nothing to do with anything, I just said, jennifer Hudson is illiterate, and I don't know why anybody would talk to her. And I went on to criticize her show in the moment that was. Was old Jason saying some reckless thing that I can criticize someone's work product without being mean. I didn't even think about. She's lost her family. She's been through what I've been through. She doesn't hurt nobody. She's the epitome of excellence. She's won every award that has acknowledged her effort and her contribution. And she ain't even respond to me. That's the grace. And that's just. It was bad. It was mean, it was unnecessary. And I wanted to apologize. But then I also felt this. I felt the ego. Right? Like, you know, time will pass. And when I saw everybody's reaction, I was like, you know, they're right. They're right. And so I did Go and apologize. I'm back on the Breakfast Club, the same platform that I did that on. And I apologized to her, and I saw she followed me, and I sent her a message. We haven't talked yet. And I ran into her at Kamala's house when she was vice president. You know, we didn't say nothing to each other, but like, we like right here. And I wanted to apologize. So at some point, I do owe her an in person apology. But. But I've publicly said it was reckless. And that wasn't even too long ago. That was just like it came out that Ol Jason came out. So, yeah, I do realize that there's power that comes with this platform. And I'm not gonna always be perfect.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, you say pain, not privilege.

[Jason Lee]

But you also have to be able to own when you do something wrong. And I'd rather say it here with you all than say it on Piers Morgan show or somebody that doesn't look like us, that ain't gonna care and see any value in giving that apology. So.

[Erica Alexander]

Yeah, so we got a lot to cover, Jason. I mean, we really do. Let's talk about your time on set. What happened on set for you?

[Jason Lee]

Okay. Well, look, it was almost a coming out. You know, the thing is, Dana didn't know I was gay. Nobody knew I was gay. Hell, I don't even think I was about to say.

[Erica Alexander]

Were you projecting that?

[Jason Lee]

I think I had a girlfriend and a boyfriend at the time.

[Erica Alexander]

You didn't tell anybody? Okay, well, you were fluid. And just so you know, you were figuring it out.

[Jason Lee]

I was figured. Well, I had figured it out. I learned everything at the time. But then I didn't know what I wanted to do with my career. I love celebrity life. I love celebrity culture. But then you may not remember, but you told them to call me, and they called me. I did get my SAG card, one of my sad credits, doing the Living Single show as an extra. And my fans have found it over the years. Cause I had a long ponytail and I was a lot younger at the time. But yeah, I was in a scene with you and Kyle. Were at a date in a movie theater and then I was on with some girl. Know that was acting. But anyway, that was my first little bite at the gang.

[Kim Coles]

But what did you see in him that you were like, you guys should call Jason to be in this scene.

[Erica Alexander]

So you should know this. And this is why I don't know how is because I came from Philly, and a lot of my friends came from Philly from the University of Arts. And they needed a way to get their SAG card. When I was on the Cosby show, people would. If you do background work, you can qualify and get levels and points to do it. And as an actor, as a black young actor, there are very few places you can do that. And that was one of the places you could. So if you could put people down, you just wanted the stage manager, which would have been Maynard or one of those, to recognize that you give them the thumbs up. And then they would call them in and give them a way to make a little money and also get their SAG card so they could be on SAG production.

[Jason Lee]

They had a little white sheet and the us.

[Kim Coles]

And you were gonna be there anyway. Cause you were there with us. You were there in Dana's trailer anyway, so might as well see what you do.

[Jason Lee]

But listen, y' all need to understand what happened there. I don't know if you. I know you don't know what happened that night. Cause Dana, she gave me.

[Erica Alexander]

Were we all drunk? It's not like we don't know anything that happened.

[Jason Lee]

No, you weren't around to see this. So you get me in Living Single as an extra. I'm a star. I'm on camera with convention stars. I'm what this is.

[Kim Coles]

And she's your friend.

[Jason Lee]

No, with all of you, Martin. Living Single. Everybody in my hometown is going to see me. So in my mind, I lost my damn mind. I thought I was a star on Living Single. So when we went to lunch, you know how we have the. Where you go and you eat, like.

[Kim Coles]

The little buffet in the cafeteria.

[Erica Alexander]

It's a little sort of room.

[Jason Lee]

I went in there. I was so rude, and I was treating the staff so bad. Dana. All I remember is Dana flying in that room and saying, come with me. Oh. And she drugged me to her trailer. And she checked me so hard about how we treat people with respect, how we don't disrespect the people who are supporting the show, our behavior on set, no matter what's going on. And she made me eat in her trailer, which was not because all the other extras that we.

[Erica Alexander]

But that's really where you wanted to.

[Jason Lee]

Interior.

[Erica Alexander]

He's a Leo.

[Kim Coles]

He's such a Leo. We love it.

[Jason Lee]

So while I acted like I was heartbroken by the reprimand, I was really like, I am where I deserve to be. But it taught me, like, you know, no matter how big of a star you are, no matter what environment you in, be kind and be nice to people. And I'VE carried that lesson along the way.

[Kim Coles]

Has that opened other doors for you? That having that skill set?

[Erica Alexander]

Well, he's a shape shifter. Let's be clear.

[Jason Lee]

You can code switch without switching up.

[Erica Alexander]

Okie doke.

[Jason Lee]

I've learned how to code switch today. I'm on my best behavior because I'm around people that I respect. Now, if I was over somewhere else, I could roll up my sleeves and get a little dirty.

[Erica Alexander]

Matter of respect for you. Respect somebody that there's a certain kind of force field that you're not out to now. Listen, doesn't mean that you won't tell something that you may know about us eventually, but it wouldn't be to harm us or anything. It wouldn't be that. And I don't think. And that's what I want to know about. What is gossip?

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, gossip is when you, like, hear some. I'll give you an example. So, like, early on in Hollywood Unlocked and trying to figure it out. You know, the whole idea of it was going back to my roots of when I was on living Single, like, you know, stripping back that veil and letting you see your favorite celebrity, but also giving them a trusted platform to clear the air when things were written about them that don't want you. Because you saw the TMZs creating headlines that could. Could destroy careers. Well, where would our people go when they need to clear the air? That was the intent. But then when I got in the game, nobody really gravitated towards that, because I think all of us were put in that bucket of the people who were just out to destroy us. So paparazzi, celebrity news sites, like, stay away. The Perez Hilton culture at the time. And I remember Dana calling me one day and saying, I just ran into Perez Hilton in New York, and this was right when I started. She said, I really feel like you could be like Perez Hilton and tmz, but with a whole heart. And that was the driving force for what I wanted to do.

[Erica Alexander]

Wow.

[Jason Lee]

But when I got into it and people were just shady or mean or judging or would attack me, I was like, okay, y' all got the right one. Because now I can. I can. I developed this character who they know as Jason Lee, who would just get on a mic and just say whatever he thought, pop off. But it was like. It was like continuum continuous pop off. There was. There was no room to breathe. And I think that's where people were like, oh, my God, I'm terrified.

[Erica Alexander]

You were still learning.

[Jason Lee]

I was still learning. And now I've learned. Now I've done all the shows, I've done all the interviews, I've gone around and I've absorbed how people are doing their thing. And I've watched the impact that our platforms have on the culture and have on people being able to survive in this cancel culture world that we're in. And I'm like, yo, we gotta evolve past that. So I created the Hollywood Unlocked Impact Awards where y' all need to come. I need to make sure.

[Kim Coles]

I'd like an invite. I'm there. Oh, we're there, yes.

[Jason Lee]

To honor us. And, you know, now I'm getting into other parts of the industry that I'm excited about.

[Erica Alexander]

But is gossip. I have to ask this. Is it a covert way of telling the truth? Is it truth telling in a covert way?

[Jason Lee]

If you're making up the stories, then it's, then it's not. But I mean, if it's, if it's, if it's all rooted in fact, then it's, it's news. And I think that when you are a black owned or black targeted, black owned, and there's a difference in that platform, you're automatically labeled gossip. Whereas we compete with. We compete. You know, people in our culture don't know what's going on on CNN because they're not watching. They're going to Hollywood on lockshade room, ball alert. You know those platforms. Now we're not watching news and waiting for a journalist to figure it out. We're going straight to podcasts or we're going straight to live streaming. And things are changing rapidly. And people who are stuck in that dinosaur age of how they digest news, they're missing the moment because it is moving. And I think gossip is when you just, just create a rumor for clicks or you create scenarios that may allegedly happen for clicks versus getting the facts or getting the T, which for me is truth, trust, transparency. And you put it out there for people.

[Kim Coles]

Listen, what are all the T's? What are all the. I need to hear the T's again.

[Jason Lee]

Truth, trust, transparency.

[Kim Coles]

And so you vet your stories, you vet the truth, you make sure that you've got everything lined up so that.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah, so that. Yeah, I mean, like the first big story we had at Hollywood, unlike that kind of just broke everything out was when you know the whole Tristan Thompson, Khloe Kardashian story where they were like, he's cheating on Khloe with her sister's best friend that lives in her sister's home. That sound like the crazy story. But my reiner happened to be in the room when it was all happening. So it was like, oh, okay. But I did what most people would not do. I called Chloe first and said, hey, this is what we got. This is what happened. This is all the information. I gave her a chance to vet it out. And she called me back and said. I said, okay, cool.

[Erica Alexander]

Wow.

[Jason Lee]

We ran it. I think my legacy is gonna be that I did it all on my own terms. Like, right. I came from nothing. I built my way out of it. And I'm now trying to give back to others.

[Kim Coles]

And you are giving back to the. And you're showing us how to do. You've become the ripple in the pond.

[Jason Lee]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

And I love that, at least in real time, you seem to always be adjusting. Oh, yeah. Just out of your mind. But can I ask you what's the most surreal thing?

[Jason Lee]

The most. At this point, the most surreal thing? Two things. One, you know, I keep following and unfollowing Erica, so. Because I've been waiting on her to DM me. Like, I've been waiting on her because I've been trying to get to her for all this time.

[Erica Alexander]

That's hilarious.

[Jason Lee]

Now I'mma follow both of you, put you in a group chat and be talking shit.

[Kim Coles]

The inside front of my back.

[Jason Lee]

Here's the biggest surreal thing. Okay, so how did I meet y'? All? That Dana who did the song to the show, Living Single.

[Kim Coles]

Dana. Dana.

[Jason Lee]

Okay. But who danced?

[Kim Coles]

Big Les, Big Less.

[Jason Lee]

She's everything. Love her. Yeah, yeah.

[Kim Coles]

We need to have her here.

[Jason Lee]

Well, no, I brought her here with me.

[Kim Coles]

What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Lee]

What?

[Erica Alexander]

No, no, no. Are you kidding?

[Kim Coles]

No, no, no. What are you mean?

[Erica Alexander]

What?

[Kim Coles]

I didn't know what this was leading.

[Erica Alexander]

I know.

[Jason Lee]

This is crazy.

[Erica Alexander]

You're driving me. What people thought. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

[Kim Coles]

Oh. So delighted. So excited to have sitting at the table right here right now, the one and only Big Les. And her name really is Leslie Seagar.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Seagar.

[Kim Coles]

Who you all know as the opening of our living single sequence, the day.

[Erica Alexander]

The classic, the iconic opening. And that beautiful silhouette and dance, you know, extravaganza is.

[Kim Coles]

Is blessed. What a lovely treat to have.

[Erica Alexander]

Are you kidding? We love you. Look like, first of all, you're a force of nature. Literally, when you move, the world moves.

[Jason Lee]

I love it.

[Erica Alexander]

And here you are. So. It's really beautiful. Anyway, how are you?

[Kim Coles]

Hi, girls. Hi. See y'. All. They don't know that we've known each.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Other for, like, 907 years. Right?

[Kim Coles]

Like, I knew you back in New York in the. When I left in 1990, so it would have been late 80s, early and watching you do your thing. So let's talk about your origin story. Where you from, what you do.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

I'm a Queens girl, New York City. Roller skating, handball chick, you know, in the clubs, riding the train, concrete jungle girl. I'm a YMCA child. So I started gymnastics at the ymca, lived my whole life there and got a full scholarship to college. Division one and Division two. So I'm an NCAA child, gymnastics.

[Kim Coles]

So that back band that we see, that's not dance, that's gymnastics.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Yeah, I started like in college and I was watching music videos and you would see like Janet Jackson and Jody Watley and Paula Abdul and I'd be.

[Kim Coles]

Like, oh my God, I can do that, I need to do that.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Because you don't know what your life is going to be like. I knew I wasn't going to the Olympics, right. I just become very close to all American and it's like, well, what am.

[Kim Coles]

I going to do?

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

I got a five year scholarship to get my master's in. Five years in sports medicine or physical therapy. And I was like, I want to dance. Like, my mother's looking at me crazy. You know how black mother's like, you going where exactly?

[Kim Coles]

What?

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Please, you know. And so I literally. My very first audition in New York was an off Broadway play which happened to have myself, Wyclef, MC Light and Lauryn Hill came onto a later production. So it was a Shakespeare's Twelfth Night remake done in hip hop.

[Kim Coles]

Oh my God.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

And Wyclef had written all the music and stuff like that to it. I was an actor and a dancer in it, so. And then in New York, you know, you have these communities of all the dancers got together. So it was me, it was Flex, it was Elise Neal, it was Josie Harris. Like, it was Darren Henson, it was Jennifer Lopez. Like, all of us were broke backpack kids in New York City just thirsty for music videos. I was a battle in the circle, battling back, flipping on people, like, and they'd be like, yeah, you, we want you in our video.

[Erica Alexander]

When music videos came out and then they realized how powerful they were, that was the currency. So to actually have such a huge part of that, what do you feel.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

When you're in the trenches of auditioning and hustling and trying to go from job to job? You don't recognize what your role is. You just want to work, you just want to perform. That artist in you has to get out so you can Feed your soul. It wasn't until years later, and not just people recognizing you, but saying thank you for representing or being a girl of your size. I felt it as a gymnast, being the tallest girl. I'm only for people who don't know I'm five foot six. Then I was probably like, then 140 pounds, which is still large. Most of this, like Simone biles are like four feet, you know, tall and 90 pounds. So for me to be able to do like double backs and double twists and all these things, and have large breasts and thick thighs, they're like, wait, what? So I've been doubted for so many years. But you don't realize that what you're doing is affecting people from your performance through the television. And it wasn't until later on when people just started saying thank you, or making me believe that I could be a dancer or that I didn't have to be a size 2 or that I could be brown. Because of course, the 90s too came with, we're only hiring mulatto girls or next gen girls. Used to be this big, like. And the difference between auditioning in New York and LA was night and day. Oh, I'm sure I'd be in a room in la, girls are in fishnets and heels and all these weaves and I knew I could out dance them. But you were in a cattle call line. They'd be like, thank you. You stay, you stay.

[Kim Coles]

Thank you.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

And I'd be like, but I didn't even get a chance because I didn't look the part. So I went back to New York. You know, this full circle moment just warms my heart. Oh, God.

[Kim Coles]

About to cry.

[Erica Alexander]

No, it's important.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Thank you.

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you.

[Kim Coles]

Legacy. You are a legacy. You are Les. You are big legacy. How about that?

[Erica Alexander]

The scene that I see you signal to the world what this show is going to be about. The minute they see you, they understand the power of not only in the presence of black culture, and when I say culture led by black people, which is the most powerful culture in the world, but also black women. And that cannot be denied. It is right in front of them. And then the rest is butter.

[Kim Coles]

You were there and you're still here. And we're so grateful for you to come in and talk to us. And we get to just love on you and celebrate you and give you your flowers and all the things. And then you gave us flowers and all the things. Thank you, Big Les.

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you.

[Kim Coles]

Thank you for your excellence.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

So proud of you girls.

[Erica Alexander]

So happy for you.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Girls. Thank you. And we all still have 25.

[Kim Coles]

Some of us. Some of us. Some of us. I take 35. I love you big.

[Big Les (Leslie Seagar)]

Always.

[Kim Coles]

Always.

[Erica Alexander]

Okay. It is true Blue time, Kim, where we answer a query from our friend. Our friends. What is it? Go on, Amber. If you had to choose three sitcoms with black casts to do crossover episodes, which ones would you have chosen? Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah.

[Erica Alexander]

So let's explain what a crossover is. A crossover episode is when you take a cast member from somewhere else. The character comes and goes into another show. I definitely. We should have done it with Martin, with Tichina and Tisha. Oh. Oh.

[Kim Coles]

We certainly. Now we had Tommy on the show, but he wasn't playing his character from Martin.

[Erica Alexander]

That's right. So it has to be that they'd be playing the character.

[Kim Coles]

Yeah, that would have been.

[Erica Alexander]

What else could have happened? That would have been fun to bump into Will Smith somehow, like cross networks. Yeah. Especially with Latifah and the Fresh Prince, meaning the Khadija character to meet the Fresh Prince.

[Kim Coles]

Right.

[Erica Alexander]

That's kind of like a meta thing for two people who were hip hop star, those characters to meet themselves would have been awesome.

[Kim Coles]

Well, that's our show. Wasn't that great? Wasn't that great?

[Erica Alexander]

Thank you, Jason Lee, for coming in. Come on.

[Kim Coles]

And he's looking good.

[Erica Alexander]

Let's sing on his good side.

[Kim Coles]

Let's, let's.

[Erica Alexander]

We already are. And appreciate that you drop in and, you know, and give us all the tea. But make sure you follow us on all our socials at Reliving Single Podcast and listen and Watch us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Kim Coles]

And don't forget to like and subscribe. And tell all your friends we're here. We're here forever.

[Erica Alexander]

Yes. And watch all the way through. Yeah.

[Kim Coles]

Okay.

[Erica Alexander]

How about that? We'll see you next week.

[Kim Coles]

We'll be here. Bye for now, maybe.

[Erica Alexander]

Reliving Single is hosted by me, Erica Alexander and me, Kim Coles. Reliving Single is a production of Heartbeat in association with Color Farm Media, executive.

[Kim Coles]

Produced by Kevin Hart, Jeff Clanic, Eric Eddings, Leslie Guam, Erica Alexander and Ben Arnon.

[Erica Alexander]

The show is produced by Kim Coles.

[Kim Coles]

Amber Watson is our senior producer.

[Erica Alexander]

Our associate producer is Kenny Jackson.

[Kim Coles]

Our other associate producer is Electra Telesford.

[Erica Alexander]

Our sound engineers are Eric Hicks and Cedric Wilson.

[Kim Coles]

Production supervision by Razak Boykin and Brett Calkins.

[Erica Alexander]

Additional production support from Alex Atkins and Z. Taylor.

[Kim Coles]

Special thanks to B.K. augustine and Dr. E J. Johnson.