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Derek Thomas
You think you've seen it all in Pilgrim's Progress, and you've been in the valley of the Shadow of Death, which was a pretty dark place. And you've been in Vanity Fair, which was a dark place. And now you're coming to perhaps an even darker place, the dungeon of the Castle of Giant Despair. They're locked in a dungeon without food and without water and without light.
Nathan W. Bingham
Christians can find themselves captured by Giant Despair in the basement of Doubting Castle. It's a dark place, and perhaps you've been there or someone you know. So the question is, how do you get out if you're there? Hi, I'm Nathan W. Bingham, and you're listening to Renewing youg Mind. This week we've been exploring John Bunyan's classic, the Pilgrim's Progress. Taking us on this tour has been ligonier teaching fellow Derek Thomas. And if you're just joining us, this allegory follows a man named Christian and his journey to the Celestial City. Today is the final day that you'll be hearing from Dr. Thomas. So it's also the final day that you can request access to the complete 19 message study of this masterful piece of literature. Request digital access and the DVD set with your donation of any amount at renewingyourmind.org before midnight tonight. Well, on this leg of the journey, Christian does find himself in Doubting Castle, but thankfully, there is a way out, and that's a truth we all need to remember. Here's Dr. Thomas.
Derek Thomas
Welcome back to our studies. In Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, we saw the valiant faithful's martyrdom. And then that beautiful description that Bunyan gives of a chariot and horses, reminiscent, of course, of Elijah, and that he's taken up to the nearest gate to the Celestial City. And the sort of vindication of God to this faithful servant called Faithful. And then that little song that was sung in his memory. Well, faithful, thou hast faithfully professed unto thy Lord with whom thou shalt be blessed, when faithless ones with all their vain delight are crying out under their hellish plight. Sing, faithful, sing, and let thy name survive. For though they killed thee, thou art yet. And then the next line, you know, that's a terrible bond of friendship that's been broken. Faithful has just emerged in the story now he's been taken out of the story. The next line in Pilgrim's Progress says, now I saw in my dream that Christian went not forth alone, for there was one whose name was hopeful, being so made by the beholding of Christian and Faithful in their words and behavior, in their sufferings at the fair, who joined himself unto him and entering into a brotherly covenant, told him that he would be his companion. What a beautiful thing. Here Faithful is gone. But this man, Hopeful, has seen the death of Faithful. This blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, Tertullian said. And out of martyrdom the church has emerged. We see that story in Eastern Europe. We see that story in Korea, we see that story in China. We see that story in parts of Africa in the 20th century. And now emerges hopeful. Hopeful will be with Christian right to the end of the story. Some of you remember how Christian has a little bit of trouble crossing the river that eventually leads to the Celestial City. And it is Hopeful who actually almost carries him across that river at the end of the story. So hopeful is yet another friend. And the importance of friendship, I think, in Bunyan's understanding of what the Christian life should be like now. Hopeful, then, has been converted through the valiant testimony of Faithful, in particular in vanity. Now the two of them walk together and come across Mr. Byens, who is from the town of Fair Speech. He doesn't tell them his name, but he does relate to them some of his kindred, including a Mr. Facing both ways, the parson Mr. Two tongues and his wife, My Lady Feigning's Daughter. That's, I think, Bunyan cocking a snook a little at the aristocracy. Bunyan was decidedly blue collar, I think, and his politics. Some of Bunyan's great interpreters in the 20th century have been of communist persuasion in political history, for entirely different reasons, you understand, but in the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, Bunyan was definitely of the pro proletariat variety rather than the bourgeoisie. So communist historians in the 20th century have sort of been drawn to Bunyan and have made him out to be something that I don't think he was. Baernes tells Christian now, and Hopeful tells them eventually that this is not his real name, but a name given to him by someone who did not like him. And he wants to go with Christian and Hopeful, but cannot leave his old principles since they are harmless and profitable. And as they look back, Christian and hopeful, see that three others have joined. Mr. Hold the World, Mr. Money Love, and Mr. Save All. Bunyan had a thing about preachers who preached that everybody would be saved in whatever way they thought. So universalists were alive and well, of course, in the 17th century. And here's one called Mr. Save All. Now. It all sounds like A conversation about health and wealth. As you overhear the conversation between Byens and Mr. Money, love and save all and hold the world. And eventually they drift out of the story. Hopeful and Christian now pass through a narrow plain called Ease, with its little hill called Luca. Luca was a 16th, 17th century word for money. Hence the King James talks about filthy lucre, meaning the love of money. And there is a place now in this story called lucre with a silver mine in it. A man called Demas calls out, and Hopeful is tempted to go back and have a look. But Christian senses the danger and stops him, because Demas, in the New Testament is the man who, having loved this present world, forsook Paul. On the highway, Christian and Hopeful come across a statue of a woman with the inscription remember Lot's wife. There's a discussion about the dangers of covetousness. Next they come to a river where the two stop and take a drink. On either side are meadows and pasture and leaves that are good for medicine. There's a recognition here of passages like Psalm 23 and Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22. They lied. They fall asleep. Actually, they spend several days there, and then they go on, and the road becomes considerably more difficult. And on the left is a meadow called by path meadow. And there is a parallel path on either side of the fence. And because Christian and Hopeful are discouraged, they step over the fence and they join this path. Hopeful is somewhat suspicious, but Christian prevails. The path, of course, leads them into trouble. They meet a man called Vain Confidence, who says he is on his way to the celestial city. But that evening they hear him fall into a deep pit. A storm gathers. There's thunder, there's lightning. They are nearly drowned by the rising rainwater. Christian asks for Hopeful's forgiveness for having taken him thus out of the way. They come across a shelter. They fall into a deep sleep. What they don't know, of course, is that they have strayed into the grounds of Doubting Castle and Giant Despair, who occupies the castle with his wife. Diffidence and Giant Despair discovers them asleep in this shelter, and they take them captive. They're locked in a dungeon of the castle, without food and without water and without light. Now Bunyan is describing events, I think, in his own life. Here from grace abounding days of darkness, darkness of the soul. Bunyan experienced days of great depression, days when the light of God's countenance seemed to have been altogether taken from him. Perhaps in the background here are words from Psalm 88. If you're not familiar with Psalm 88, don't make the mistake of saying it's your favorite psalm, There is no light. In Psalm 88. It ends with the words, darkness is my only friend. That's a dark place to be where darkness is your only friend. It's one of those psalms that you're glad that it's there. It's like knowing that if the aeroplane at 30,000ft is going to descend into the ocean, that your seat can be used as a flotation device. I'm not sure how reassuring that is when you're heading to that sea at five or six hundred miles an hour. It's probably you're going home to be with Jesus time. Well, Psalm 88, darkness is my only friend, and this is a very, very dark place. You think you've seen it all in Pilgrim's Progress, and you've been in the. The valley of the shadow of Death, which was a pretty dark place. And you have been in Vanity Fair, which was a dark place. And now you are coming to perhaps an even darker place, the dungeon of the Castle of Giant Despair. Now, we are told by Bunyan that they are in this dungeon from Wednesday morning until Saturday night. And perhaps what he is alluding to is the last days of Jesus, from the moment of his betrayal from Gethsemane and through his trial into the Friday and his death and his burial and Saturday and Saturday night. And he's of course, raised on the Sunday. And perhaps there's an illusion here that this darkness is a darkness that our Savior has known and redeemed. That's a wonderful thing for Christians who experience great darkness and experience depression for whatever reason. And they find themselves in Psalm 88, they find themselves in a place where darkness is my only friend. And Bunyan is sort of alluding here that Jesus has been here too. He's known what it is to be without a friend and to be surrounded by darkness that the sun eventually refuses to shine upon him on the cross. Now, let's get back to the allegory. Giant Despair has a wife. She's called Diffidence, which in the 17th century would mean suspicion or distrust. She urges Giant Despair, her husband, to beat Christian and Hopeful, to torture them, in effect, and to do so mercilessly. And then something. Something quite unexpected happens. And if you've not read Pilgrim's Progress carefully or you've not read it recently, you. You're just not expecting this. Giant Despair urges Christian and hopeful to end their lives, to commit suicide. This is Bunyan. Bunyan is a pastor. He's dealing with very dark issues, some of the darkest issues, the issues of suicide and the temptation to take one's own life. And all of us, I'm sure, in this room, and I'm certainly not exemption to this, I've known dear friends, Christian friends, who have taken their own lives, or we've been pastors in situations in churches where young people, college students especially, have taken their lives. And I've certainly had my share of those pastoral situations. And they're among the most difficult and the most dark that you have to deal with. And what a. What a mercy. What an insight. What a pastoral mindset. Bunyan has that in this family tale, Pilgrim's Progress, that parents would read to their children, that here you reach this really dark, dark moment, and Christian and Hopeful are genuinely tempted, they are very tempted to take their own lives. And I think Bunyan is saying Christians do sometimes reach this place. Perhaps. Perhaps Bunyan did, perhaps in his imprisonment, perhaps in the 12 years that he spent in prison, there were occasional evenings when he descended into a very dark place. It's a rather lengthy and sensitive section in Pilgrim's Progress, and if you have a mind to, I would urge you to study it carefully. Hopeful. It's Christian who is most tempted to take his life. Hopeful gives him 10 reasons why he shouldn't. And they're absolutely wonderful. They're. They are a Christian puritan pastor giving reasons why you shouldn't take your life. And on the Saturday evening, at the urging of diffidence, Giant Despair takes them out into the castle yard, and he shows them skulls and bones and skeletons of those who have been killed in the past, bringing the temptation then to its peak, bringing the sense of despair and the hopelessness of the situation. And they're beaten once more. And Giant Despair doesn't carry out his threat to actually kill them because he too is under the sovereign control and direction of Almighty. And this is a wonderful section. It's a dark section. I find it quite astonishing. But I also am impressed by the way Bunyan is actually ministering pastorally to an extremely difficult situation. And he knows this is a family story. It's meant for parents to read to their children. And this book will become the most read book in Christian homes. And for probably 200 years, almost until the present generation, this was the most widely published book apart from the English Bible in English literature. Consider for a minute the testimony of Spurgeon. Spurgeon, of course, loved Pilgrim's Progress. Often sights from it, almost take a sermon at random from the Metropolitan Tabernacle, and you'll see Spurgeon's love for Pilgrim's Progress. Spurgeon tells us of a time in his autobiography. A man comes to the service. This is when they were in the Surrey Gardens rather than the Metropolitan Tabernacle. A man who came to the service and he's despondent and he's thinking of ending his life. And then he hears Spurgeon one day, and then he's delivered. Bunyan is telling you about this in his autobiography. He tells of his own story when there was a fire in the church. In Spurgeon's church, somebody in the balcony cries out, fire. It's a hoax. But there's a stampede to get out to the building. This is before all the sort of civil codes that we now have for fire escapes and so on. Several people are killed. I think up to about a dozen people are killed in the stampede to get out of the building. Spurgeon is absolutely and totally shaken by it. He's out of. He doesn't preach for months. Afterwards he is urged to go to the south of France, to this house that somebody loans him to recuperate. He is in the depths of depression because of this incident that he experiences. Well, on the Saturday night, about midnight, Christian and hopeful begin to pray. And I thought I would read part of the story to you of the way in which this tale is now told, as Bunyan himself tells it in Pilgrim's Progress. Towards evening, the giant goes down into the dungeon again to see if the prisoners had taken his counsel to end their lives. But when he came there, he found them alive and truly alive, was all for now, what for want of bread and water, and by reason of the wounds they received when he beat them, they could do little but breathe. But I say he found them alive. At which he fell into a grievous rage and told them that seeing they hadn't obeyed his counsel, it should be worse with them than if they had never been born. At this they trembled greatly, and I think that Christian fell into a. A swooned, but coming a little to himself again, they renewed their discourse about the giant's counsel and whether yet they had best take it or no. Now Christian again seemed to be for doing it, but hopeful, made his second reply, and so on. He describes now these 10 reasons why he shouldn't take his life. On the Saturday night, about midnight, they began to pray and continued in prayer till almost break of day. Now, a little before it was day, good Christian, as one half Amazed brake out in his passionate speech. What a fool, quoth he. Am I thus to lie in a stinking dungeon when I may as well walk at liberty? I have a key in my bosom called Promise, that will, I am persuaded, open any lock in Doubting Castle. Then said Hopeful, that's good news, good brother. Pluck it out of thy bosom and try. Then Christian pulled it out of his bosom and began to try at the dungeon door, whose bolt, as he turned, the key gave back, and the door flew open with ease, and Christian and Hopeful both came out. Then he went to the outward door that leads into the castle yard, and with his key opened that door also. After he went to the iron gate, for that must be opened too. But that lock went damnable hard, yet the key did open it. Then they thrust open the gate to make their escape with speed. But that gate, as it opened, made such a cracking that it waked Giant Despair, who hastily, rising to pursue the prisoners, felt in his limbs to fail, for his fits took him again so that he could by no means go after them. Then they went on and came to the king's highway, and so were safe, because they were out of his jurisdiction. Now, when they were gone over the stile, they began to contrive with themselves what they should do at that stile to prevent those that shall come after them from falling into the hands of Giant Despair. So they consented to erect there a pillar and to engrave upon the side thereof this sentence over this style is the way to Doubting Castle, which is kept by Giant Despair, who despiseth the king of the celestial country and seeks to destroy the holy pilgrims. Many, therefore, that followed after read what was written and escaped the danger. This done, they sang as out of the way we went, and then we found what was to tread upon forbidden ground. And let them that come after have a care, lest they for trespassing. His prisoners are whose doubting castles doubting and whose names Despair. Well, in part two of Pilgrim's Progress, Christiana actually, two of the sons and some others go into this castle and destroy it. And just remember this part of the story where this warning is given. Because the two boys, they're teenagers. They're just ready for a fight, and they go in to destroy the castle and raze it to the ground. But a very dark, dark section of Pilgrim's Progress that ends with this key cord promise that's lying all the while in his bosom. It's the promise of the covenant that God will always hear the cries of his children who come to him by faith.
Nathan W. Bingham
In our distress, may we not forget the key called promise, an important and very practical lesson today on Renewing youg Mind from Derek Thomas as we come to the final installment that you'll hear this week from his series on the Pilgrim's Progress. What I love about the Pilgrim's Progress is just how memorable the characters and their experiences are, making it easy to remember and to bring up in conversation, especially when you're speaking with your children or new believers about the Christian life. But it's also treasured by seasoned saints. Dr. Thomas mentioned Charles Spurgeon today, and Spurgeon said that he had read the Pilgrim's progress at least 100 times. So if you'd like to get better acquainted with the Pilgrim's Progress, request your copy of Derek Thomas 19 message overview of the entire book when you give a gift of any amount@renewingyourmind.org or when you call us at 800.435.4343, you'll receive the DVD set and digital access to the messages and study guide as our way of thanking you for your generous support of the daily outreach of Renewing youg Mind. This offer does end at midnight, so respond while there's still time@renewingyourmind.org or by using the link in the podcast show notes. In the 20th century, theological liberals had begun to deny that Scripture was inerrant, that is free from all falsehood, fraud or deceit being such an important issue. A group of church leaders and theologians responded with what is called the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. Stephen Nichols will join us tomorrow for a conversation about this statement, RC Sproul's involvement, and why it's vital that we affirm the truth of inerrancy today. That's a special conversation Friday here on Renewing your Mind.
Renewing Your Mind Podcast Summary: "The Castle of Giant Despair"
Release Date: January 23, 2025
Host/Author: Ligonier Ministries
Episode Title: The Castle of Giant Despair
In the January 23, 2025 episode of Renewing Your Mind, hosted by Nathan W. Bingham and featuring teaching fellow Derek Thomas, listeners delve into the profound depths of John Bunyan's seminal work, Pilgrim's Progress. This episode, titled "The Castle of Giant Despair," explores one of the darkest and most emotionally charged sections of the allegory, offering insights into human despair and the redemptive power of faith.
[00:00] Derek Thomas:
Derek Thomas sets the stage by revisiting familiar locations within Pilgrim's Progress—the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Vanity Fair—before introducing the most harrowing setting yet: the dungeon of the Castle of Giant Despair. He describes it as a place of complete desolation, where prisoners endure deprivation of food, water, and light.
[00:29] Nathan W. Bingham:
Nathan W. Bingham underscores the significance of this setting by highlighting its allegorical representation of deep spiritual despair. He introduces the key question addressed in the episode: "How do Christians escape the grips of Giant Despair when trapped in such a dark place?"
[01:40] Derek Thomas:
Derek delves into the narrative, recounting the martyrdom of Faithful and the emergence of Hopeful, whose faith is inspired by Faithful’s sacrifice. He draws parallels between these characters and real-world examples of how martyrdom has fueled the growth of the Church historically and in contemporary contexts, such as in Eastern Europe, Korea, China, and parts of Africa.
Thomas explains the symbolic significance of Hopeful, who almost aids Christian in crossing the river to the Celestial City, emphasizing the importance of Christian fellowship and support during trials.
Notable Quote:
"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church." – Derek Thomas, [01:40]
As Christian and Hopeful continue their pilgrimage, they confront various characters representing worldly vices and false doctrines, such as Mr. Save All, who symbolizes universalist beliefs contrary to Bunyan's teachings. Thomas humorously notes how Bunyan’s portrayal of these figures reflects his disdain for the aristocracy and his pro-proletariat sentiments.
[10:15] Derek Thomas:
Thomas discusses the seductive allure of Lucre, a symbol for the love of money, and introduces the character Demas, representing those who forsake their faith for worldly gains. This section ties into biblical references like Psalm 23, Ezekiel 47, and Revelation 22, highlighting the consistent biblical theme of spiritual vigilance.
[15:30] Derek Thomas:
The narrative reaches its darkest point as Christian and Hopeful, weary from their journey, deviate from the righteous path into a narrow plain called Ease. Here, they encounter Vain Confidence, whose downfall into a pit serves as a warning against straying from faith. This misstep leads them into Doubting Castle, where Giant Despair and his wife, Diffidence, capture them and imprison them in a gloomy dungeon.
Thomas poignantly connects this allegorical imprisonment to real-life experiences of depression and spiritual desolation, invoking Psalm 88 to illustrate the depth of despair where "darkness is my only friend." He emphasizes that Bunyan’s depiction resonates with the personal struggles many Christians face, including the temptation to give up.
Notable Quote:
"Psalm 88: 'Darkness is my only friend.' That's a dark place to be." – Derek Thomas, [17:45]
One of the most powerful segments of the episode centers on the Giant Despair’s suggestion that Christian and Hopeful commit suicide as a means to escape their torment. Thomas highlights Bunyan’s pastoral sensitivity in addressing such a critical issue, reflecting his own experiences with individuals contemplating ending their lives.
[19:10] Derek Thomas:
Thomas recounts the allegorical exchange where Giant Despair urges the prisoners to end their lives, and Hopeful responds with ten compelling reasons to persevere. This interaction not only showcases Bunyan’s theological depth but also serves as a timeless pastoral tool for addressing suicidal ideation among believers.
Notable Quote:
"Hopeful gives him 10 reasons why he shouldn't [commit suicide]. And they're absolutely wonderful." – Derek Thomas, [20:05]
As Christian and Hopeful reach the nadir of their despair, they turn to prayer, embodying unwavering faith despite their dire circumstances. Thomas narrates the pivotal moment when Christian discovers a key named Promise, symbolizing the covenant that God always hears the cries of His children.
[22:00] Derek Thomas:
With renewed hope, Christian uses the key to escape the dungeon, illustrating the transformative power of faith and divine promise. Giant Despair's inability to pursue them due to his own afflictions underscores the triumph of faith over despair.
Notable Quote:
"I have a key in my bosom called Promise, that will, I am persuaded, open any lock in Doubting Castle." – Derek Thomas, [21:50]
[23:59] Nathan W. Bingham:
As the episode concludes, Nathan W. Bingham reflects on the enduring legacy of Pilgrim's Progress, citing Charles Spurgeon's admiration for the work—Spurgeon read it over 100 times and used it extensively in his sermons. Bingham encourages listeners to engage deeply with Bunyan's allegory, either by requesting Derek Thomas's comprehensive 19-message study or by supporting the Renewing Your Mind ministry.
He also teases the next episode, which will feature a discussion on the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, highlighting its relevance in theological discourse today.
The Castle of Giant Despair episode of Renewing Your Mind masterfully blends literary analysis with deep theological reflection, providing listeners with both an understanding of Bunyan's masterpiece and practical insights for navigating personal spiritual struggles. By highlighting the themes of despair, hope, and divine intervention, Derek Thomas offers a beacon of light for those traversing their own valleys of shadow.
For more in-depth studies and resources, visit renewingyourmind.org or contact Ligonier Ministries directly.