Nathan W. Bingham (5:36)

You mentioned the Marine Corps and. And we're thankful for your service. But how was your time in the Marine Corps? How did it shape your understanding of honor? Or did it.

Pastor Grant Castleberry (5:46)

Well, it did, because I talk about this in the book, that the core values of the Marine Corps, one of them is honor, honor, courage, commitment. And we understand courage. We understand commitment, but honor, do we really understand that? Now? What I found is that a lot of Marines in this day and age don't even have a concept for honor. It was something that was prevalent 200 years ago because people valued their honor, that they were esteemed as weighty, that they were respected in society. That was the most important thing for a person was the honor of their name, their reputation. And to be shamed would just be the end of their existence. You know, so you think of Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. The fact that Hamilton had slided Burr, and Aaron Burr challenges him to a duel to vindicate his own honor. That concept to us is we don't even have the categories for that. And that's because we're so far removed from an honor shame culture. So I would try and explain that to Marines and eventually they would get it. But, yeah, that's a big part of, I think the Marine Corps is that the Marine Corps has a prestigious legacy of men and women who have laid down their lives in defense of the country. And there's a sense where we need to respect that. And how we carry ourselves as Marines gives credence to that. So, yeah.

Nathan W. Bingham (7:18)

What do you mean when you speak of the rule of honor?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (7:23)

Well, I take that verse 1 Samuel 2, 30, the one that was quoted a little, and the context of that is that Eli's sons have dishonored God by taking the choice meats from the tabernacle and have committed fornication literally at the front of the tabernacle. And God sends a prophet. He's unnamed, he's simply called the man of God. And he comes to Eli and he says, thus says the Lord, those who honor me, I will honor. Those who dishonor me will be lightly esteemed. You have dishonored me, and therefore your priesthood will be removed. And so that rule, that rule of honor, you honor the Lord. For those for whom the Lord is heavy and weighty, God says, I will honor you. But if you shame the Lord, then God will dishonor you. And that's linked to the imago dei. We are meant to image and represent God's rule on this earth. That's why God created us. And so it's logical if you think about it. If you turn, turn your back on your creator, Romans 1, and fail to give the honor that is due to him, then you're cutting the tether off from the mothership on your spacewalk. You're free floating out into the netherworld, and God gives you over to shame and dishonor. And the reality is, Nathan, all of us have broken the rule of honor. All of us have fallen short of the glory of God without exception. And only one man has truly kept the rule of honor, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. In John 8, the Pharisees accused Jesus of blaspheming God. And it's really an amazing statement. Jesus says, I do not have a demon, but I honor the Father. And there's a real sense where he's the only person who can say that without exception, in every instance, he honored God. You know, we talk about the imputation of Christ's righteousness, which is just massively important, the doctrine of justification by faith, that is the main way we are to understand the gospel. But one of the benefits of justification by faith and the imputation of Christ's righteousness is that we also receive the honor that Christ deserves because of his perfect work. So Peter says, this is 1 Peter 2:7. For those who believe, you have the honor. It's an amazing statement. For those who believe, the honor of Christ is given to us. So, yeah, it's a rule written into the fabric of the universe. And on the last day, all those who trust in Christ will be honored with his honor, his righteous robes.

Nathan W. Bingham (10:44)

We often speak about the crucified Christ, but one expression you use in the book is the shamed Christ. What did you mean by that?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (10:54)

Well, it gets back to this rule of honor, that we deserve reproach and shame from God for our sin. Now we're guilty, so we deserve punishment, but we also deserve shame. And what you see, I think, in the Passion Week and in the work of Christ, is God not only pouring out the penalty that we deserve on the Son, but also the grossest expression of shame and reproach. It's just unbelievable the way that our Lord was shamed, you think, even just being punched before the Sanhedrin and the way that the charges were flipped when they brought him before Pilate and how Pilate had him scourged. And then, just as a military man, really a gruesome picture is the mock parade that Pilate has the centurions and the cohort do. Essentially, a military parade is when you have a dignitary come, they stand on the grandstand, and the whole battalion or regiment will walk by and salute the dignitary. Pilate does it, though, where they put the crown of thorns on his head and the soldiers mock by and they mock him and they punch him and they spit on him. So it was an inverse of honor. It was the shaming of Christ. And of course, even crucifixion was such a You know, Paul talks about, about how the Greeks couldn't fathom that the Lord would be crucified because it was such a shameful death of crucifixion, folly to the Greeks. But it's in that shame, of course, that Christ procures our righteous standing before God and the honor by which we're saved.

Nathan W. Bingham (12:58)

In the book, you bring up the accusation that some, some make that if we are to elevate the honor of God, the holiness of God, the weightiness, the otherness of God, that to do that would somehow push down the love of God. But you make the point that actually the opposite is true.

Pastor Grant Castleberry (13:17)

That's right. I think R.C. sproul was right dead on when he emphasized that the main attribute of God is His holiness, because it is his holiness. And holiness can mean pure, but in terms of the Lord, it also means separate, distinct, that God is distinct from all of his creation. And as a distinct being, a transcendent being, a holy being that makes all of his other attributes godlike. It makes all of his other attributes perfect. And so you and I have love. We can display mercy, we can display goodness and all sorts of things. But what makes God's love truly wonderful is that it's his love. It's a holy love. And if you don't have that, then you really don't have the love of God. You don't have the mercy of God. So keeping holiness as the most important attribute, and that's biblical, I mean, that's Isaiah's vision, the superlative holy, holy, holy. Which then, by the way, is repeated in Revelation. The angels are still saying, holy, holy, holy. God is called the Holy One of Israel. So that sense of God's holiness is what makes his love so wonderful.

Nathan W. Bingham (14:51)

You make the point that in evangelism, especially missionary work, in cultures that would be considered an honor and shame culture, that although it's fine to speak of honour and shame, we shouldn't end there as we run the risk of truncating the Gospel. Could you expand on that?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (15:10)

What I meant by that is in Eastern cultures, they're primarily honor shame cultures, different from ours. And a lot of missionaries, I think, are only using the language of honor and shame rather than also the language of guilt and righteousness. My point was, is that the Bible primarily uses the language of guilt. Like you read Romans, the primary problem with man is that we've broken God's law and therefore we are guilty. Now shame is the result of our guilt. Shame is Romans 1. God gives you up to your impure Desires, those shameful desires, it's downstream from guilt. So if you just emphasize shame, shame, it's connected to that fact of law breaking and guilt. And so that was my point, is that as missionaries, just because you're in an honor shame culture doesn't mean that you just talk about honor and shame. You got to talk about the law and guilt and then Christ's keeping of the law and righteousness, and then righteousness leads to honor, guilt leads to shame.

Nathan W. Bingham (16:22)

In our Christian life, we're called to honor God, especially in front of a watching world. But how can we honor God in corporate worship?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (16:31)

Well, I think that point for me was one of the impetuses behind writing this book is because I think so much of evangelical worship treats God very flippantly and very lightly. I remember reading John Piper's the Supremacy in of God in Preaching and he made a comment, he said, it sounds like some preachers aren't talking about the same God. I think about Hebrews 12:28, writer of Hebrews says, let us offer acceptable worship to God with reverence and awe. For our God is a consuming fire. That's in the New Testament. And I think consuming fire is a reference to Sinai and God.

Nathan W. Bingham (17:21)

It doesn't mean smoke machines.

Pastor Grant Castleberry (17:22)

It doesn't mean smoke machines. My goodness, no. And you know, the writer of Hebrews also says, this is Hebrews chapter 5, that the Lord offered up to God prayers and supplications and he was heard because of his reverence. The Lord Jesus Christ revered God, honored him. And so there's a sense where, when we come to worship, you are meant to feel the gravity of who God is. You are meant to be struck by the holiness of his presence. And of course, it shouldn't be contrived other than simply focusing on worshiping in spirit and truth and opening up the Word of God. That happens when, when the Word of God is read and preached in a way that is true to the scriptures, God will be honored. People will encounter him and sense his weightiness. I think one time of Sinclair Ferguson telling a story about the first time he remembered Martyn Lloyd Jones coming to Scotland. And he wasn't able to go the first night. And he talked to a schoolmate who had gone. He said, what was it like listening to Lloyd Jones last night? And she said it felt like the building was about to fall down. He was like, oh, I want to be there tomorrow night to experience that presence of God. But that presence of God, that weightiness of God, I think is what is missing in evangelical worship. I Put a chapter in there about just a simple way to navigate back.

Nathan W. Bingham (19:05)

Towards that in missions. The Apostle Paul was obviously motivated by a heart for the lost, but you point out that that wasn't his ultimate motivation. As we seek to fulfill the Great Commission, what should be our ultimate motivation?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (19:21)

Again, this gets back to the God centeredness of God. That God deserves his name to be honored because he is worthy of his name being honored. You think about Jesus conversation with the woman at the well, Jesus makes a really striking statement if you're paying attention. He says, the hour is coming and is now here, where the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. Okay, I get that. And then he says, because the Father is seeking such worshipers to worship him. The Father is seeking such worshipers to worship him. Greek word is zeteo, means to go after, to pursue. And that thought, if you think about it, the end game of worship, the gospel going forth, people believing in the name of the Son, Jesus says, ends with the Father seeking worshipers. That it's not just, oh, I'm saved, it's now my life. Romans 12:1 2 is a living sacrifice to him. Now I am giving all of me to worship the Father. That is the end game of all of evangelism is the worshiping and the honoring of God. That that person who is a lost pagan, who has dishonored God their entire life, will now become a true worshiper of God and give him the honor that is due his name. And by the way, when you do that, you find that your life truly has meaning, you truly have purpose. Because now you're living your life the way that God intended for you to live.

Nathan W. Bingham (21:18)

You conclude the book practically looking at how we can honor God in the Christian life. And as you just mentioned, you reference Romans 12:1 2. So it stopped me as I was going through the material, because obviously that's where we get the name of this program. Can you just share with us in closing though, some practical ways that as a Christian, we can honor God in our life?

Pastor Grant Castleberry (21:41)

Well, this is replete all over the New Testament. It's just everywhere. And I think one practical way to begin is with the fifth commandment, honoring your parents. I mean, that's very simple. But God gave us our parents to teach us how to honor Him. I think that's the connection between the first four commandments and the final six commandments is the parents teach children how to honor God and how to honor their fellow man. And so we are to honor our parents. Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. This is the first commandment with a promise that you may live long in the land. Not every parent is easy to honor. Some parents have been abusive and those things. I get that. Just like we're called to honor governing authorities. That's Romans 13, that's in First Peter. We're called to honor governing authorities. Not every governing authority is easy to honor, but God is the one who puts every lens leader into place. And there's a sense where we're to give honor to them. We're called to hold the marriage bed in honor. It's truly everywhere. But I think if I were to say to someone beginning this journey of wanting to honor the Lord, I would say one, join a Bible believing church and begin attending. Make worshiping with the saints a priority every Lord's day. Begin studying scripture. Read your Bible every day because that's where you're going to encounter God's character and you're going to feel his weightiness and that's going to make a massive difference in your life. And then lock arms with other believers that have that same passion for his honor because they're going to rub off on you and they're going to impact through their fellowship how you, you live your life well.

Nathan W. Bingham (23:44)

Pastor Castleberry, I'm so grateful for this book. As I was reading it, I kept thinking back to this quote from R.C. sproul. Dr. Sproul said, the kingdom of God will never be manifested on this planet until or unless the name of God is honored among us. So thank you for your ministry and for your labors that went into this book, the Honor of God.

Pastor Grant Castleberry (24:06)

Thank you. Thank you, Nathan.

Nathan W. Bingham (24:15)

That was Pastor Grant Castleberry, who serves as the senior pastor of Capitol Community Church in Raleigh, North Carolina, and is the author of the new book, the Honor of God. This is the Friday edition of Renewing youg Mind. I'm your host, Nathan W. Bingham. This book, the Honor of God, caused me to pause and reflect many times on the honor, holiness and majesty of God and to consider more deeply the concept of honour and shame. So I do encourage you to request a copy of this new book. And I hope today's conversation with Pastor Castleberry gave you a taste of what you'll find in these pages. Request your copy when you give a donation of any amount@renewingyourmind.org or when you call us at 800-435-4343. Your generosity helps spread God honoring truth to the nations every single day. But show your support today as this offer ends at midnight tonight. You can find a link to donate in the podcast Show Notes or when you visit renewingyourmind.org and if you live outside of the US or Canada, you can still get access to this brand new resource when you donate at renewingyourmind.org global and request the ebook edition of the Honor of God. Thank you for your support as Renewing your Mind and the global outreach of Ligonier Ministries would not be possible without it. When tribulation comes your way, where do you place your hope? What is the anchor for your soul? We'll be In Romans chapter 5 when you join us Monday here on Renewing your Mind.

Pastor Grant Castleberry (25:55)

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