B (3:02)

Yeah.

C (3:03)

And this is how we're going to do things and you will comply versus the people that lead through building relationships. And they focus on the why to do something and the what and how is easy. Where did you learn that, dude? Like, where did you learn that?

B (3:20)

Good friend of mine, we played together, actually. He was just coaching with the Lakers. I played with him in college and I started coaching his younger brother. And his dad came up to me, man, who passed away, and he said, john, you're coaching amazing. He said, let me whisper something. And he hugged me. He would give the best hugs. His name was Mark Pemberthy, but Mike Pemberthy coached with the Lakers and just, you know, I think they just got let go. He was with that, with that group with coach. His dad hugs me and whispers in my ear, rules. Just remember, rules without relationship equals rebellion. And I just was like, why would he just tell me that? And that's been stuck in my ear. And I think he got it passed down from someone. But that was like the first kind of, you know, solid wisdom, like just pinpoint wisdom, impressionable wisdom that I got. He told me and it stuck with me. And always remember that, like whenever I see a young man or anybody who doesn't want to listen to me, even little kids, it works on little babies. You know, you take a five year old and you say, hey, sit down and do this. They won't sit down. You take a five year old and you give. Before you tell them to sit down, you say, hey, here's color. Do you like the color? Do. What is this? What's your favorite color? What do you like to eat? What's your snack? Then you tell the five year old, hey, have a seat here. And guess what? They're gonna go sit down. You know, it's the same thing with children, it's the same thing with adults. It just works, man, to build a relationship because they know you have a genuine interest in them and you won't lead them astray, man.

C (5:01)

What's amazing is. Yeah, go ahead.

B (5:04)

One of the players has a little kid here, unfortunately, you know, but it's fortunate. Unfortunate, single dad kid is running all over the place, just going crazy. He's like, coach, you can't get him to sit down. You can't. And I'm just like, okay, all Right, Fine. I give him something to play with. Here's the day. What should I. What do you want to eat? What's the Gatorade? Here's a Gatorade. Here's this, here's that. You know, just all these little things, talking to him, coming on his level with communication. And then all of a sudden, the kid looks up at me and he's like, this guy is different, you know, because I'm communicating on his level. I'm talking with him. I'm talking about cartoons. He's like, what? You. You know what I'm. You. You know what? What I'm. You know what I just watched this morning. Like, this guy is hearing. He's talking my language. And then all of a sudden I could say, go sit over here. And then he, like, calmed down and he sat down and it was. And I think that there is some truth into that and in adults and at every level, man.

C (6:05)

What's amazing is that in corporate world, the tolerance for the time that it takes to build those relationships versus the easier in mentality, people think it's easier just to make people comply. I thought about something. I wrote this down for you. Do not confuse coaches kindness with weakness. And that is a very powerful statement. When I think about you and the way that you build relationships, the way that you invest emotion and compassion into these individuals, it is not to be confused with weakness because it is very, very. It's very, very powerful. And that's not so celebrated a lot of time, Johnny, when you see people struggling on their teams, you'll see a leader's. You're not tough enough on them. You got to make them comply or what have you. And it's like they're smoking something if they think that that is going to work. So I really like that about you. Do not confuse your kindness and compassion with weakness. It's actually very powerful.

B (7:15)

Well, he's so intimate with situation with Joe, and I think a lot of times we would see. And maybe I didn't want to embarrass Joe. Maybe I knew that he couldn't. Wouldn't be able to take that as much as me going behind closed doors. And I shared with him one time, I said, joe, let me tell you something. The next time I asked the guys, and this was private, they didn't even have this on film. I need you to be disciplined. You need to let me discipline you. You need to let me. I said, that's a part of being a man, a part of growing, a part of being leader of leadership. That's a part of changes. Allow me to discipline you as well. I knew he was at a maturity level. He just, you know, he was at a mature level. He just didn't know how to be a leader in that maturity. His response is rapport, because he was one of the better players. He was older than some of those guys. But let's use that, and let's use it in a way that if you allow me to discipline you in this situation, you have an impact on these guys. And I think there's some. Some lessons in understanding how to teach them how to be disciplined, you know, how to accept criticism, how to accept. But it just takes time, man. It takes so much time. And when everybody asks, well, how do you do it? It's not just going out. I told one coach, hey, maybe take young man out to. They called me and asked me a couple months ago, maybe take him out to dinner and, you know, just build a relationship. They took him out to dinner once or twice. It's not the action. It's the idea of taking them out to dinner. It's building a relationship. It's not the action that's going to do it. It's the ideal of building a relationship. And what are your intentions behind taking them out to dinner? Finding out, man, I got to find out how to help you. I got to find out how to help you. And I think that's. That's how I approach it. Not to celebrate it myself or anything, but that's just me, man. And it's not for everybody. It's not for everybody. It's not for everybody.

A (9:19)

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