BB27 Friday Live Feed Update September 12, 2025

Summary

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RHAP: We Know Big Brother – BB27 Friday Live Feed Update September 12, 2025

Overview

In this high-energy episode, Taran Armstrong and Puya bring listeners up to speed on all the drama, strategic chaos, and major shake-ups from Day 66 on the Big Brother 27 live feeds. The episode dives into the aftermath of a pivotal eviction, the crowning of a new HOH, the ongoing Vince–Morgan–Lauren saga, endless gameplay indecision, and all the quirks and complaints along the way. As always, the discussion is laced with humor, candid critique, and RHAP's signature, meme-worthy quotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eviction Recap & Vote Flip ([03:44])

• Lauren was the outgoing HOH, nominating Ashley, Keanu, and Will.
• The initial target was supposedly Ashley, but she successfully flipped the vote through impressive cross-alliance maneuvering.
  • Keanu, Vince, and Morgan voted to keep Ashley, making this the first time Keanu's vote went their way on a house decision.
• Result: Will is evicted, joining Rachel in the jury.
• Quote ([03:44] Taran):
  “Ashley manages to flip this vote very impressively. I would say this is probably one of the more impressive vote flips of the season and in a pretty difficult spot, too.”

2. New HOH & The Ongoing Vince Problem ([05:09], [05:43])

• The HOH competition came down to Kelly and Vince (again), with Vince winning after a tiebreaker.
• Vince's reign is viewed with exhaustion and trepidation due to his reputation for indecisive and fractious HOHs.
• Taran laments:
  “I literally said last night I don't want Vince as the HOH because I'm the one that's gonna have to listen to him and Morgan talk at 5:00am and wouldn't you know it, I was wrong with 6:00am exactly.” ([05:58])

3. Zingbot! Relationship Zings and Fallout ([06:18]–[10:37])

• Zingbot visited the house, with zings heavily targeting the Vince–Morgan situation.
  • Morgan's zing references her constant hugging and closeness with Vince, whose real-life girlfriend Kelsey was not directly mentioned.
  • Many in the house and audience feel production unfairly puts heat on Morgan instead of Vince.
• House Reaction:
  • Keanu: “I thought we were on Big Brother, not Cheating Island.” ([08:41])
  • Vince is unfazed by the allegations, while Morgan seems rattled and seeks reassurance.
  • Extended debate between Taran and Puya on whether Vince’s in-game behavior is genuine loyalty or overcompensation.
  • Quote ([12:52] Taran):
    “He is hyper focused on a single thing, and it's not even a good thing for him. He just, he, he will. ... He has one goal in mind, and that is keep Morgan hugging me.”

4. Vince's HOH Dilemma: Targets, Indecision & Social Juggling ([14:02]–[43:35])

• Targets: Ava and Kelly seen as frontrunners, but power dynamics are fuzzy due to Vince’s wishy-washiness.
• Houseguests’ varied responses to being potential nominees:
  • Ava tries a straight-to-camera appeal for “vetoes from America.”
  • Kelly appears to performative-cry, fishing for sympathy.
• Morgan is determined to push Vince to nominate Lauren; she leverages the “block stat” to argue Lauren must touch the block to avoid a “perfect game.”
  • The drama of Vince being “in power and yet powerless” recurs.
  • Indecision: Vince wants promises from Lauren to not use the veto, while Morgan manipulates him with appeals to emotion and loyalty.
  • Multiple conversations loop over the “Do you put Lauren up? What about Keanu? Can you trust Lauren?” debate for hours with little movement.
• Quote ([17:36] Puya):
  “3rd HOH for someone who again, we've covered these Friday mornings, I've never seen someone in power be so powerless and make it look so uncool to have [power].”

5. Keanu’s Bluntness & Persuasion Attempts ([27:39], [30:05])

• Keanu is uniquely blunt, often telling Vince directly when he’s making dumb moves (“You're fucking up your HOH again already.”).
• Keanu and Morgan both try to convince Vince that Lauren should go up, using logic and emotional pleas.
• Vince flounders in persuading Lauren to not use the veto, going in conversational circles without resolution.
  • Quote ([34:18] Puya):
    “The strategy of, ‘Hey, isn't it stupid how they're saying this about you?’... has been the least convincing thing to make the person agree with you.”

6. Social Dynamics: Morgan, Ashley, and Lauren ([35:26]–[43:10])

• Morgan is adamant about not losing Ava, presses Vince hard to avoid that path.
• Ashley surprisingly proves more persuasive than Vince expects, helping push him toward nominating Lauren.
• Lauren, sensing danger, agrees (possibly disingenuously) not to use the veto if Vince keeps her off the block, pitching a four-person alliance.
• Taran & Puya riff on the absurdity of Vince’s relationship management, with Puya joking that he wouldn’t invite a “Vince” to play Goose Goose Duck ([43:35]).

7. Vince’s Game Flaw: Personal Dynamics > Strategy ([57:00]–[59:35])

• Taran identifies the core issue: Vince is more invested in preserving his physical closeness to Morgan (the “hug dynamic”) than in actual game-winning logic.
• Both hosts express repeated exasperation at Vince’s indecision, noting that his gameplay is exhausting to watch (and would be even worse to experience).
• Quote ([58:05] Taran):
  “We’re watching a man that is desperate to keep his hug man’s cheap, cheap man’s going while also trying to play the game.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Taran ([17:36]): “3rd HOH for someone who again, we've covered these Friday mornings, I've never seen someone in power be so powerless and make it look so uncool to have.”
• Puya ([08:41]): “Apparently Keanu at one point said, I thought we were on Big Brother, not Cheating island.”
• Taran ([12:52]): “He is hyper focused on a single thing, and it's not even a good thing for him. ... He has one goal in mind, and that is keep Morgan hugging me.”
• Taran ([34:18]): “Vince couldn't talk a child into eating candy. Like, he is the worst persuader I've ever seen in this.”
• Puya ([59:35]): “And the fact that we are sitting here in the morning before the nomination ceremony and having to tell you we don't know what Vince will do because there is a chance he puts up Lauren because he doesn't want Morgan to stop hugging him is, is, you know, you know what? Kudos to Morgan, I guess, in that, in that scenario.”
• Taran ([58:05]): “We’re watching a man that is desperate to keep his hug man’s cheap, cheap man’s going while also trying to play the game.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:44] – Eviction breakdown and Ashley’s vote flip
• [05:09]/[05:43] – HOH comp and Vince's victory, gruntled reactions
• [06:18]–[10:37] – Zingbot’s visit; the “Cheating Island” discourse
• [12:52] – Dissecting Vince’s real priorities and gameplay philosophy
• [14:02]–[17:36] – Ava and Kelly’s reactions to potential nominations; Morgan’s campaign
• [17:36]–[22:54] – The “block stats” debate, and Vince’s confusion/frustrations
• [27:39]–[30:05] – Keanu’s bluntness; Vince’s fumbling social game
• [35:26]–[43:10] – Lauren, Ashley, and Morgan’s efforts to guide Vince’s HOH
• [47:41]–[54:02] – Final, endless Morgan–Vince pushing/pulling on nominations
• [57:00]–[59:35] – Hosts’ analysis of Vince’s personal dynamics & game failings

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

• The tone is light, snarky, and exasperated—equal parts strategic breakdown and comedic therapy session for the hosts.
• The episode is defined by the cyclical, often tiresome indecision of Vince's HOH reign, complicated by his personal attachments and inability to lay down boundaries or strategic priorities.
• Both hosts display sharp social insight, repeatedly highlighting the irrationality and emotional undertows driving the house dynamics.

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For Listeners: What Comes Next?

• Nominations are still unclear. Vince's decision is pending, but all signs point to more drama and possibly another poorly executed HOH week.
• Return for the next update to see the fallout from Vince’s nominations and whether any of the house’s many double-crosses or promises hold true.

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Catch more from Taran and Puya at their respective podcasts and Twitch streams. For all the Big Brother 27 chaos, strategy, and relationship drama, tune back in to RHAP: We Know Big Brother.

Transcript

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[Taryn Armstrong]

Every morning Taryn Armstrong talks Big Brother. Looking at the stuff from yesterday, all the drama, all the strategy and silliness from Pho2HOH every single season, you know he is the reason. You know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our Live feed update for September September 12th. I'm your host Dan Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday. The Big Brother 27 live feeds was day 66 in the house and had an eviction. We have a new hoh and a whole lot of whining. And with me to talk about it all is Puya. How you doing, Puyall?

[Puya]

I'm doing good, Taryn. My eyes, not so much. My eyes are doing about as good as someone's relationship. Yep, that was a zing. Let's take that. Let's start that like that. I've not slept, Taryn. I've not slept. I got coffee and these glasses will be staying on for the entirety of this update.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, this is. This is a doozy here. So of course, as you know, Lauren is the h was the hoh she had nominated Ashley, Keanu and Will. The vote was initially going to be on Ashley against Will. Ashley manages to flip this vote very impressively. I would say this is probably one of the more impressive vote flips of the season and in a pretty difficult spot, too. She needed to get multiple people on opposing sides essentially to come together. Keanu voting with Vince and Morgan to keep her and first time that Keanu has wanted something and gotten it when it comes to a vote or really anything in the house. So impressive work from Ashley as we of course saw that after Keanu wins the blockbuster, Will is evicted over Ashley and has joined Rachel in the jury.

[Puya]

Didn't ask for a better duo to be in the jury together only because I really like them both so they can keep each other company versus I guess that's the silver lining to, like wanting someone I really don't want in the house in the jury. It'd be bothering Rachel. So could have been worse.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So we then went to an hoh competition and it was apparently some kind of quiz quizzy ish competition. And for the second time, it came down to someone and Kelly in the final two, it went down to a tiebreaker and the someone beat Kelly. That someone being Vince, the new hoh.

[Puya]

And just like that, Vince further confirms the terran transformation into Vince by making sure Aaron has to talk a lot about him this week. So, Taryn, I would say enjoy. I think you're fine with it.

[Taryn Armstrong]

I'm losing my mind. I literally said last night I don't want Vince as the hoh because I'm the one that's gonna have to listen to him and Morgan talk at 5:00am and wouldn't you know it, I was wrong with 6:00am exactly these and sometimes.

[Puya]

You'Re not on on the money with it, you know?

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. So it was zingbot. And of course, you may be wondering what Were the zings. And really, like, who cares about what the zings were? What was Vince's zing? And it was not about his girlfriend, unfortunately, because Morgan's was.

[Puya]

Why do we keep doing this? And by we, I don't want to insinuate we are part of it. Why does production keep doing this? Vince is the one in the relationship. Why is he not getting raked over the coals for this? Why are you putting it on? Poor Morgan.

[Taryn Armstrong]

We heard Julie's interview.

[Puya]

I know. I'm still upset. Audacious.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah. So, Morgan, I believe this thing was something along the lines of. What do you call someone who gives long hugs and spends all their time with someone, whatever, their girlfriend, in regards to Morgan and Vince and Morgan is, again, neither of them are ignorant to what's happening. This is. I. I want to make this very. It is beyond obvious Morgan knows exactly what's happening. She's just being told by Vince that it's okay. And Vince very much knows what's happening. Morgan says, oh, what? But I don't. We don't even touch unless, like, we're like, looking at tattoos.

[Puya]

I don't like that. I didn't like that at all. That sounded icky. But, Taren, we've already talked. I've talked about this on the. On the slop before, the finger play with the hugs. Because, you know, a hug can be. A hug can be innocent, but then length of hug and placement and movement of fingers really can dictate something. And I mean, we're not the only ones. Everyone in the house is talking about it, man. Like, this ain't. This is not a good look. Stop. Denial is a river in Egypt. Stop this.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Apparently Keanu at one point said, I thought we were on Big Brother, not Cheating island.

[Puya]

Which. That feels like a school ground playground insult. Cheater Island's not a thing.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Isn't the whole point of the island shows that people cheat? I don't think you need to add cheating.

[Puya]

Or maybe a Temptation island, if anything.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So. So, you know, the Zingbot delivered in that regard at least. Apparently Vince's was about crying, which just should have been his comic, really. But you know, people, I saw a lot of people being like, ah. I mean, thank you for the Zing. But also now they're not going to be cheating on cheating anymore. And that was our entertainment. And first of all, whoa. But second, second, you need not worry. Yeah.

[Puya]

If you were worried that this was going to stop things, that you were wrong.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Vince seemingly could not be less bothered by the situation. Morgan Is much more bothered by it and she is like, you know, you know, makes small attempts at being like, should we chill a little bit? She is initially like slightly less gropy with her hugs, but. But Vince is just like, ah, don't worry about it. Nah. Yeah, Kelsey doesn't care.

[Puya]

Okay. So Taryn, I feel like you, I want to discuss this with you. I'm waiting to do this for a minute. Where do you think his mind is truly at? Because, and I don't want to skip ahead, but he makes a comment about how, oh, I anticipated it being my. My family that I get photos of. Not, you know, that's what I thought was going to happen. His letters from his mom and then the, the I love you and miss you, Kelsey. Like, I feel like there's definitely a level of over compensation here. But then what. What's up with the copium like this? Like, why would he say it's chill otherwise? What. As the Vince expert run us through his mind, what do you think he's thinking? That's what I want to know.

[Taryn Armstrong]

I think. So he gets, he gets his hoh room, no pictures of Kelsey, letter from his mom. And he says, oh, yeah, I was, I was expecting it was probably going to be just my family this time, you know.

[Puya]

Yeah.

[Taryn Armstrong]

This is not as some people, I think interpreted. This is not Vince being like, oh, I was expecting that I might be in trouble with Kelsey. This is him trying to deflect to the other players and more specifically Morgan. It's actually super normal. There's no problem. Don't worry about it. We should continue to sleep in the same bed and hug and kiss. I mean, and hug all the time. No kiss.

[Puya]

Okay. Yeah.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Okay.

[Puya]

That clarifies it a little bit.

[Taryn Armstrong]

At least that is my interpretation of this because again, Vince all night long was trying really hard to convince Morgan that nothing was wrong, that Kelsey will have no problem, that there is no problem, that they should not change a thing about what they're doing.

[Puya]

Yeah. Which to me you gotta like if you're the per. Like, okay, so I don't know where the line would be. I think the line for both of us would be if we're in his shoes, we would not be having this level of a friendship with somebody. But that being said, let's say we did. I feel like I draw the line at I am now for the eighth time making comments like I've made a pillow barrier so that we do not touch and you can sleep on the top of the blanket. Like this is a lot for what? What are you doing all this for? Like, isn't it plays the game.

[Taryn Armstrong]

He is hyper focused on a single thing, and it's not even a good thing for him. He just, he, he will. It's. He has one goal in mind, and that is keep Morgan hugging me. And he will do absolutely anything to make sure that continues to happen. And he will face the consequences afterward. Because there, if there's somebody not right in front of his face, that person doesn't exist to him. If the person is downstairs, they kind of exist to him because he knows he will have to be in front of them soon. But if they are not anywhere near him, then, wow, they actually kind of suck, don't they? I mean, who cares?

[Puya]

Okay, my two things are. And I said this on the Tuesday recap. This level of gameplay would exhaust me. I don't know. If Vince comes out of the house and says he had fun this summer, call his bluff. No, this is, this looks exhausting. And being in it would be even worse. Like, I, I, I could never, I could never play the game this way. This is too much.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So that's what's happening with Vince. We don't worry. There's plenty more where that came from with Vince is the hoh. Ava is pretty upset. She is already anticipating that she's going up on the block and she's right. Kelly is also upset. She came really close to winning the HOH and was really hoping that she could have won it. And now that she has lost it to Vince, she's also anticipating that she's going up on the block and she's right. Kelly, though, of course, you know, Ava handling this by talking to the cameras. Hey, America, can I get some vetoes? Oh. Oh, man. My best friend left and now I'm. Now I'm up on the block. Frankly, that's kind of a problem, don't you think, America? So that's what Ava does. Kelly, on the other hand, handles it slightly differently. She goes into her bed and and does this. She covers her face with her hands a but nobody's in the room. And then she waiting for somebody to walk in on her so that they can see that she's upset. And it's very obvious that this is what she's doing. Ava at one point walks in the room and she goes, but Ava doesn't come over and see her. And then Ava leaves them. Oh.

[Puya]

Yeah, the sympathy farming was in full swing, but no one was coming to market, which I'm happy about, because, I mean, I don't need to even.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Tell you because it genuinely she was very committed to the bit. She spent a long time in bed waiting for somebody to see her crying and being upset. It's wild. So Morgan, of course, quickly gets to work on Vince and starts telling him that guess what? You need to nominate Lauren. This is what she had been harping on all week long. Last week we said that Vince would want to throw this hoh because this put him in this position where Morgan is pushing him to nominate Lauren and he doesn't want to and what do I do? And so he did not want to win this hoh. He only stayed in as long as he was against people that he thought would nominate him. Problem for him is that's most of the house and Kelly is certainly one of those people. And so he was forced to win this hoh when he wanted to throw it because he couldn't let Kelly win it because she would have nominated him and potentially targeted him. And so he, he had to win. And now Morgan is telling him that he needs to put up Lauren because if he doesn't, Lauren can win a veto, use the veto and force one of her or Ashley up on the block. And, and he wouldn't do that. He's in an alliance with them. Right. So Vince of course is just like, well, yeah, you know, I, I feel like I could talk to Lauren and, and see if she's willing to not use the veto. Morgan goes Vince.

[Puya]

3Rd HOH for someone who again, we've covered these Friday mornings, I've never seen someone in power be so powerless and make it look so uncool to have.

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[Taryn Armstrong]

It's just, you know where he's going to spend all night long trying to do his Vince thing? Running back up, down the stairs like, oh, I'm going to talk to Lauren. I'm going to talk to Morgan. I'm going to talk to Keanu. I'm going to tell them all what they want to hear. But then nobody's going to listen to me and it's going to be my fault and everyone's going to be mad at me and, and, and why is this always happening to me? Why, why don't. Why do I never get any good outcomes? That's gonna be all night. And don't worry, we'll get through it. Of course he's like, well, are you okay with hanging out with me tonight? Yeah. Morgan, stop. Don't be mad at me. We need to talk things out. We made top six. We need to be happy. I mean, you just said you're not gonna put her on the block. I don't want to, but I can. Okay, look at it this way, Vince. If you don't put up Lauren, she can use the veto. Force Ashley on the block and then we might not have the votes to save her. If Ashley goes on your hoh fence, you lose her will and Rachel as jury votes because you betrayed the alliance. You had a terrible hoh. If you don't put Lauren up, she may never touch the block. Well, that doesn't mean that she'll win. Vince, come on. They're also being interrupted by Keanu, like every Tuesday.

[Puya]

Oh, yeah, he went to the Rachel school. Aaron. He's a graduate. He knows what's up.

[Taryn Armstrong]

This.

[Puya]

At least three or four times he walked in, some for a couple minutes, some for a couple seconds. It didn't matter.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, he's. And. And now, like, of course, now that he's heard that if Ashley leaves, he's gonna be bringing. Now, if. If Ashley leaves, I lose three jury votes, so. And apparently, if Lauren doesn't touch the block, she's gonna win the game. She's. That shouldn't matter. Who cares. Who cares if she hasn't touched the block? That's not a perfect game.

[Puya]

This was the first time that I've wanted Lauren at the final two. And then in my head against Vince, and then she wins because I. I'm sorry. Even. I think the biggest sin for someone going on the show is being unprepared or having not studied for it. Right. But then I think the worst sin is not, at the very least, remembering the exact season prior to you and where that went. The winner of that season was never on the block. Now, is that the reason she won the whole thing? No, but you have to. You know, it's like we talk about people over correcting from the season prior. This should be the number one on the block. Was she?

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, during time.

[Puya]

She won the battle. She won the. She won the arena.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Puya]

This is what happens when I don't sleep. That's fine. All right, I'll go on. Sorry.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Listen, listen. I can't blame you, Puya, because they are so insistent about it, they are convinced that they are correct.

[Puya]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Put me on the block. I don't deserve to be off at this point. Let me just have this coffee and be quiet for a little bit.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So that's the preliminary conversation. Morgan's already annoyed. She's gonna talk with Ashley about it. She's gonna talk with others about it. I. Vince makes it clear in his conversation with. With Morgan that he wants Ava out on his hoh. If not Ava, Kelly, and kind of Keanu, but really it seems to be Ava and Kelly that is primary targets. And Ava specifically is his primary target, which is kind of wild. But I think he. In his mind, the reason is that he. He thinks that Ava's too close to Lauren and he wants to remove one of Lauren's allies. He talks a lot about, like, you know, taking one of the trio out. He just doesn't want to give Lauren any power. But genuinely, like, the. Everyone should want Keanu out. Like, this is. This is like a nuclear bomb that they're just. We'll defuse it later. Like, it's wild that that's not the absolute priority. And then he's more concerned about Ava, who. Yes. Had Will saying that he was rooting for her to win. But, like, Ava, that's, like. That's your tar. That's the target that you're still gonna fail to get out. Like, really?

[Puya]

Yeah. Ava doesn't look like a likely person to leave already, and she hasn't touched the block yet. I think the. The funny thing is, you know, the argument about Lauren. Lauren doesn't go up on the block. That's. She may never go up, and she may win the whole thing. I think they're forgetting that Keanu could legitimately win out like you are. We are. We are so close to the finale at this point.

[Taryn Armstrong]

It's final six after this.

[Puya]

Yeah. And if he's off the block here. Final six, like, I don't want to do the math, but that's not many comps. You need to get to the final three. It really isn't.

[Taryn Armstrong]

It's three.

[Puya]

Yeah.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Three competitions, so. And three competitions against who? You know, like. But.

[Puya]

Right.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So. So that seems to be his. His. His. His motivation here. He does talk to Keanu, and he tells Keanu. And this is after the hoh room reveal and a whole bunch of awkwardness. My target is Ava. He says, Ava and Kelly are. They're the easy noms. And of course, he starts the conversation with, yeah, Morgan's mad at me again. I can't do anything right. And Keanu is, like, into that, like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Puya]

Wow.

[Taryn Armstrong]

She's so mad at you. Oh, my God. And then so. So Vinnie, of course, the second he gets a hook of something that somebody seems to enjoy, that he's just, like, endlessly harps on it. Yeah. And so. And then. So that those Ava and Kel, My easy noms. And then Morgan's gonna be mad at me for my third nom because she wants me to put up Lauren. She's gonna be mad at me because I don't put up Lauren. And K's like, well, you should put up Lauren. He's like, oh, well, she. Because she's saying that if I don't put up Lauren, she'll use the veto and. And. And save one of them. He's like, she's right. Oh. And she's saying that if she never touches the block, she'll win the game. She's right. Okay. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, do we do we take the chance of her not winning the veto. No, bro. Oh, my God. You're fucking up your HOH again already. If you have a third failed hoh, Vince, you're a lock for second place. But what do you mean? Just. What? That doesn't make any sense. I mean, I'm not gonna. I'm not. I'm not screwing it up. I. I'm just. I'm just talking through options.

[Puya]

I will say this. It was a long night, but my number one favorite thing is that the whole vin spiel goes over Keanu's head. And Keanu is the bluntest person to Vince, which makes anytime the two of them are talking one on one, the most entertaining thing you can get. So I'm very happy that we had this, and I'm happy this was as long as it was.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, I mean, like, Vince really thought that he was cooking when he told Keanu that he had two easy noms, Ava and Kelly, and that Morgan was going to be mad at him if he didn't nominate Lauren as the third. So Morgan's going to be mad Lauren's not the nom. Who does he, Vince, think he is pitching to Keanu here? Like. Oh, and therefore it should be who? Keanu. Because that's what he wants to do. He's basically pitching. He's. He's teeing up the fact that he wants to nominate Keanu by saying, Morgan's gonna be mad at me for the third nom. You, like, he's so bad at this. So he continues to. Well, because at this point, he hasn't really talked to Lauren, and he is. His. His one line of argument is he's convinced that he can get a promise from Lauren that she will not use the veto, and that will make it okay for him to not nominate Lauren. And so he keeps pitching this to Keanu. I think I can. I'm telling you, I can get Lauren to promise to not use it. You know, I can get her to promise she won't use the veto, and Keanu is just like, oh, my God, you're worrying me now. You're really worrying me. Lauren doesn't even need to go home. She just needs to be on the block. Okay, we cannot vote to evict her, but she cannot stay off the block. Okay, but I just hate that Ashley keeps getting rewarded for doing nothing. You know? Like, it's just. She doesn't even deserve to be here. She irritates that out of me. Okay, Laura needs to go up Vince.

[Puya]

Second scenario unlocked him and Ashley the final two. Ashley wins.

[Taryn Armstrong]

She doesn't even deserve to be here. Then why'd you bring her? Because she doesn't deserve it. So this conversation, of course, continues on and on and doesn't go anywhere. Keanu leaves. He goes and talks to Morgan about it. He's like, she doesn't want. He doesn't want to put Lauren up. He's saying, she promises. He pro. She's gonna promise to not use the veto. And they both agree Lauren needs to go. If they need to get Lauren up on the block, they need to get her gone. But Keanu key. The key thing for Keanu is that he. He did propose the idea of. Of. Of having Lauren just go on the block but then not vote her out. He doesn't actually feel that way, but. But he proposed that idea to Vince to try to convince him to put Lauren on the block. Then Vince talks to Lauren, and of course, as he does, he's raveling in, like, keanu was just up here. Oh, he was. Here's. Here's his pitch. He wants you to go up. And I was saying, I can't do that. He. He's like, if you don't put Lauren on the block, she's gonna use the veto. So. So I. I mean, I was like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And. And she's. She's like, well, I mean, I think that you should put up, like, Ava and Kelly and Ashley, and then I can win the veto, and I'll use it on Ava, and then you can backdoor Keanu. That's. I think that's a good plan. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't know. I don't know if a back door even really makes sense. I mean, I just. I'm not sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want you to use the veto on Ava. And she's like, well, I. I don't want Ava to go. Yeah, but I, you know, that's what. That's what Keanu's saying, that you're. That you're gonna use the veto. You know, that's what Keanu says. And she's like, well, I. I mean, yeah, but I. I need you to. I need you to not use the veto on. On Ava. I. I think, like, I. I, I may. What about, like, if you used it on Ashley? Yeah, that would be tough. I. I just. Lauren, I. Because I. Because I kind of. I kind of need. I need Ava or Kelly gone. So, I mean, I also. I wouldn't mind. Keanu leaving. Because you know what? KE said that.

[Puya]

What.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Why are we even? I thought we were on big brother. I not cheating island, so I. I wouldn't even mind Keanu leaving, even though Ashley irritates the out of me, but I wouldn't mind Keanu leaving. But. But, Lauren, I just. I just don't. I just need you to not use the veto. I think. I think it would be great if. If you didn't use it. She's like, yeah, I. I think. I. I don't know. He's like, maybe. I mean, you. What you could say is like, oh, I needed to throw the comp, because maybe you could just throw it, or maybe you could say that you didn't want to use it because they were safe. I. I think. I think they would really be expecting me to use it, so. Okay. But. But. But this is what they said you would do. And. And they're gonna be so mad at me. They're gonna be so. Ma, Ava's gonna win this game. Lauren. Ava's gonna win this continues for a while.

[Puya]

Yeah. There's two things I wanted to say. One, I feel like in the history of humankind, the strategy of, hey, isn't it stupid how they're saying this about you? They're very stupid. Has been the least convincing thing to make the person agree with you. And the second thing for me is I feel like Vince does this a lot, and that is the. Be the Being the overly understanding person being like, and I know this is bad for your game, and I get it, and I know you not using it is bad for you, and I know you using it on Ashley is worse for you. I get that. Don't say all that if you want her to do it, dummy. Like, why you keep repeating stuff like that? Because I feel like that's never helpful. If you explain to someone more and more that you get their pov, they're going to be a lot less likely to do what you want to happen in your pov. They're just going to do what they want to do anyway because you're telling them that you get it. You understand? So flawed and flawed. And me knowing this is bad because this conversation goes on for way too long. Knowing that that's exactly. We're going nowhere with this. It just went roundabouts for, like, a good hour.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Mm. So he does not get her to agree to use the veto or to not use the veto. She refuses to because, again, because Vince couldn't talk. I don't even have a metaphor for it. Vince Vince couldn't talk a child into eating candy. Like, he. He is the worst persuader I've ever seen in this. Kelly is more persuasive than him. So, no, she's not going to agree to do this. And this is a problem for Vince because now he doesn't even have that ammunition to use against Morgan when Morgan comes up and talks to him. And Morgan's like, yeah, so what's going on, Vince? You talked to Keanu and Lauren for a long time. It's like, yeah, it was Keanu. And then Lauren and Keanu came back up and talked to me again. I was like, yep, Morgan makes it clear she does not want Ava gone. That that is not where she wants this week to go. She wants Kelly gone. At worst, maybe Lauren. And, you know, hey, again, Keanu is not a bad shot here either. Ava doesn't make sense. Yeah, but she's gonna win the game. You know she's gonna win the game. He says, and, Vince, if Lauren doesn't touch your block, she's going to. If she doesn't touch the block, she's going to win this game. Why? And no, that is not an exaggerated why. Because in a three nomination and three nominee season, she doesn't touch the block all game. That's what Chelsea did. No, it's not. That's a perfect game. I just. I don't want to be frustrated with each other. Vince, your number two is coming after your number one. I'm pooping my pants, Vince. They get back in the back and forth, get into this. Ashley actually comes up and joins them, gets involved in the conversation. Ashley picks up sort of where Keanu left off and starts pitching the idea of, well, it's not like Lauren has to go home just because she goes up on the block. The Lauren going up on the block is a great move because it prevents her from using the veto. She can't even promise that she won't. And it prevents her from being able to say that she was kept off the block all season long, that she never touched the block. So that's good. And we won't vote her out. Vince. We can. We cannot vote her out. We will still vote out somebody over her. It's a win, win, win. And this starts to get to Vince. He's starting to consider this, like, oh, okay, well, if you guys promise to not vote her as she's like, of course. And Morgan's like.

[Puya]

Here'S the other thing. You just mentioned how Vince is one of the least convincing people can convince a kid to eat candy. The amount of hate this man has unwarranted, by the way, for Ashley. And then Ashley's able to convince him to think a thing. Ashley's pretty good at convincing. Like, I just want to put that out there.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Interesting. So, yeah, that's. He. He's. And they. They. Because they talk more about, like, like, why, like, why do you. Like, because Morgan's like, why do you even want her here, Vince? It's like, well, I think I can beat her. So you want to bring her to the final two? No, I'm just. She's just somebody I can be, you know, not if she doesn't touch the block. Why. And so the idea is. Is in his head now. Okay, I think I might need to nominate Lauren. I think. Okay, Okay, I nominate Lauren. They don't vote her out. This might work. I just need to ask Lauren for permission because he needs permission to do everything he does in the game. So he goes back to Lauren and he proposes. He says, so Ashley and Morgan, they were proposing that. And Ashley and Morgan, they were proposing that you maybe go up on the block. And then they were like, well, we'll keep her because we want. We want Keanu or Kelly gone. We'll keep her in any scenario. So that's. That's what they were saying. Lauren. And Lauren's like, oh, but, yeah, I mean, you wouldn't do that. I mean, it's a. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's thought, what if. What if. What if. What if we did do that? No, that's. That's too risky. I don't. I don't think I'm okay going on the block. I don't know that they would keep me. I mean, I, I think they would. I think they would keep you. I, I, I, I. I don't think that they would vote you out. Yeah, I just. I don't think I'm okay with. With going up, so. No. Okay. Well, I mean, that's. Yeah, I mean, it's. I mean, I think they would, but I, I just don't. I just don't know what to do. Everyone's gonna be so mad at me. Oh, this goes on for a while. However, Lauren, now getting a very real sense from Vince that she might actually go up on the block, is now saying, okay, well, what. I mean, I, I'm. What if I don't use the veto? I mean, I won't use the veto if. If you don't want me to. You know, I, I really feel like we should get together with Morgan And Ashley. And maybe, like, the four of us can work together like we should be. Trust. Can. Is there a world where Morgan can trust me again? That's what I want. That's what I've been trying to do. And so Lauren is now saying she's willing to not use the veto. I think initially she felt comfortable not telling him she wouldn't because she planned to. And she didn't want to lie and go back on her word for no reason, not thinking that she was in any real danger of actually touching the block. However, once it was made clear to her that she might actually go up on the block, she's now willing to at least say that she's willing to not use the veto. It is Lauren, and she doesn't want to be a backstabber. So there's a chance she may actually not, but we'll see. But now she's done that and she's proposing that they try to get the four of them to work together, which would obviously be like a perfectly fine scenario for Lauren and, you know, just something that maybe Vince should have been trying to do ages ago. Yeah, I just, you know, random things.

[Puya]

Yeah, I mean, you know, Vince wants to have his cake and eat it too. That's all fine and good. That's if encouraged in Big Brother. But I think also if you. If your cake and your two are on opposite sides of the house, maybe you try and bring them together so they stop being on the opposite side so you don't have a headache constantly. Which again, I reiterate what I said earlier. Taryn, I cannot imagine playing the Vince game as fun. It sounds horrible and miserable.

[Taryn Armstrong]

This is what I'm like in my real life. Puya.

[Puya]

Vince, you're not invited to Goose. Goose, my man. I can't have it. We can't be doing this. Vince. You know what? Actually, I will be inviting him. Taryn, you and him playing the game together would be very fun. You will be showing up. You will be there. You cannot decline that day.

[Taryn Armstrong]

So Vince goes back to more. And by the way, there were. There were some other side plots here. Lauren talked to Ava before her conversation with Vince and was trying to get out of Ava that she'd be willing to keep to. To like, vote the way that Vince wanted if she wasn't on the block trying to keep Ava off the block. And she proposed that a little bit to Vince, but I think she was a bit more concerned with her going up on the block in the conversation with Vince.

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[Taryn Armstrong]

See mint mobile.com Vince then goes back upstairs and talks with Morgan. She is going to be sleeping upstairs. She thinks it should be on the day bed and he thinks she should sleep in his bed with him. And she's like, I don't know about that, Vince. And he says, no, no. I mean, you can. You can sleep in my. But just so you know. Just so you know. I mean, you can, you know, like. Well, like, we could just be on, like, different sides of the sheets. You know, it's. It's not a problem. It's really. Kelsey wouldn't mind.

[Puya]

On the same night that Zingbot has made these comments is wild to me. You think it would put it on a cooler for at least a day, maybe two. So Vince having that much audacity is a bit of a shock to me.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Foreign. It's not to me.

[Puya]

If there's one person it shouldn't be too, it's you. But I was like. Because, you know, it's like one of those things where it's like, Zingbot's not there every day. So I'm like, one Zingbot says something, surely it stops or there's a hold or freeze. That wasn't the case.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah. So with that settled, she. She will sleep on the daybed. She. She says, no, I think the daybed. He's like, well, I don't even know if you're allowed to sleep on the daybed, so. And she's like, I think I'll be allowed. It's called a day bed, so I should be allowed to sleep here. I was like, okay, okay. And they talk for hours. And it's mostly the same stuff, but it's a lot of, like, Morgan, really. Even more emphatically talking about how Ava cannot leave this week. She's. She does not even want Ava, like, on the block, let alone evicted. If Ava leaves, she thinks her game goes in the toilet and so. Pooping my pants. And so she's very concerned about that. She does not want Ava to leave. She'd much rather have Kelly leave or. Or Keanu. And of course, she really wants Lauren out, but she's now willing to say, we'll keep Lauren. But then anytime she gets pressed on it, she reveals her true feelings of, like, but she needs to go, Vince, and you can't keep protecting her. And so there's a lot of that. But now he has talked to Lauren, and he can. He can now say that she will not use the veto. Ah. So I. I talked to. I. I talked to Lauren, and she said. She promised. She promised she won't use the veto. She. You know, she. She wouldn't lie to me like that. She wouldn't lie to me like that. Lauren targeted me Vince. No, but she wouldn't lie. I. She's. She wouldn't lie like that, Vince. She targeted me. She voted me out. She'll have. Of course she'll lie. She'll do whatever she can to get me on the block. Why wouldn't you? I'm gonna fucking scream. I'm gonna yell. I'm gonna lose my mind.

[Puya]

Do it. It's a huge change from the whining you're doing. Please do it. Let me hear something different once in a while.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Vince, at least tell me the truth. Vince. What do you have with her? What do you have with her? Don't lie. Nothing. Nothing. It's just that we won't go after each other and I feel like I'm having like parallel universe flashbacks. I feel like this is a conversation he's gonna have very soon. It's nothing. It's just that we won't go after each other. So a final two? No, no, it's not that. It's.

[Puya]

It's with.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Just that we just. We're not going to go after each other. Okay, so. So you're protecting somebody who's. Who's wants me out of the house. It sounds so bad when you put it that way. Because that's what it is. You know? I'm protecting you over everyone else. I don't know if that's. I don't know if that's true, Vince. I don't know if you are. Don't say that. Don't say that. It's honest. I can't even believe you would say that. How could you? How. You don't know what? You don't know that. How could you even say that? I don't want you questioning me, Vince. You already did. You picked Lauren in the maze and that's gonna haunt me for the rest of my life. The only way you're not gonna be upset with me if I. Is if I put her up. You can do whatever you want. Vince. Vince, sometimes I don't think you realize how hard it is for me to have these conversations with you when you're number two. I'm pooping my pants. Literally wants me out of the house. Morgan, I can't believe you think that. It's. It's. It's not like that. And this goes on forever.

[Puya]

First of all, bravo on that well timed number two sound bite. That was elite. That was good. That was good. Yeah. We're tired. Okay? You were like, why. Why didn't this start exactly at a lot? This is why we're tired. Okay. We needed a minute. Darren needed a minute to get. He needs a minute to fall in the character is what. What is the truth. And boy, oh, boy, is he in character right now.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, it's. Again, this is. This is the whole thing. This is just the. They go back and forth. Morgan is pushing. You're gonna be so mad at me if I don't do it. And then it seems like they're gonna go to bed, but then they don't, and they start talking more. And there's not, like, a real conclusion reached here. It's. He's still trying to mull over what he does. The options have been made. Like, hey, it's. It's Morgan. Or, sorry, it's Ashley or something. It's Lauren, Ava, Kelly. Or it's like, Keanu. She's like, you shouldn't put up Keanu and Lauren. You should just put up one of them. And so it should be like, keanu, Ava, Kelly, Lauren, Ava, Kelly. And. And. And it's all. Which also doesn't really make sense. But that. That's. You don't. That's. It's all this stuff happening back and forth. What are we gonna do? I don't know what I'm gonna do. And he's gonna have to talk to Lauren again, and he's gonna talk to Morgan some more today, and then the nomination ceremony is gonna happen. Somebody's gonna be very upset.

[Puya]

Yes. So, Terry, you're not. Earlier in the update, you mentioned that he should be looking to get rid of Keanu. So let's do a quick exercise. Let's pretend that we're. We're playing the game that he has dealt right now, which is Morgan implying that if he puts Ashley up, he's losing votes there that he shouldn't put up. Like, what if you are Vince right now in the house and you're not looking at Keanu as your target? What should your noms be? That's the question I have.

[Taryn Armstrong]

It's wild that he's accepting at face value that he loses three jury votes if he puts up Ashley.

[Puya]

Instantly. Instantly he's like, oh, that's fact. Okay, cool.

[Taryn Armstrong]

And then started repeating it just like the Keanu thing last week. It's like, well, I lose three jury votes if I do this. So Ashley is. Serves zero value to Vince in the game. Ashley shouldn't have even been kept by him last week, let alone, like, be protected by him this week. It should. Kelly is a massive problem for him. She wins comps and she's gunning for him. Keanu is a massive problem for him because he's too likely to win out. And I don't even think that he brings Vince to the end this, at this point, let alone Vince has a shot and hell to beat him in the end. So, you know, I feel like right there, you got some pretty good options. And it is entirely on him that. That Morgan and Lauren are at each other's throats because he secretly revels in it and doesn't do anything to fix it. And. And so he literally admitted that in the diary night, like, as long as they're both protecting me. And so he's put himself in this position. But, like, it. It's. It's such. It should be. It should be relatively easy. He has three. This is what you need in a Blockbuster situation. You need three people that you're willing to send out. Keanu, Kelly, and Ashley should be those three people. As far as I'm concerned. Ava, as a fourth backup option is also fine. Ava, just a little bit. Maybe you could say, you know, Keanu Kelly, Ava is also fine. But, like, Ava is much less valuable to Lauren than, like, Ashley is to Morgan. Like, Ashley is more dangerous than Ava as far as I'm concerned. So I think that's like, a pretty simple thing here. But. But he has the problem of Morgan and Lauren. Just. But just don't. Just don't put Lauren up. And then Morgan's gonna be mad at you. But what is she gonna do, nominate you? I don't think so. Just. Just keep going. But I'm such a widow. Boy, I'm sorry. And then, you know, Blockbuster will be over. She's not gonna nominate you. You'll be. You'll be fine.

[Puya]

I mean, that's. I think the biggest thing to me is that you're worried about what the perception is or how they're gonna feel about you making the move when the reality is if they win immediately the next week, you're fine anyway because they're going to go after the people you're not putting up. So what's the problem here? Also, and I want to say this, I kind of want to blame production on this a little bit because had y' all just eliminated the third nominee because we're injury. Why are we doing three nominees at seven? We could have been in bed way earlier tonight, Taren. Like, way, way earlier.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah, I. It's. It's just, you know, it just like, what. What are we doing, Vince? Like, just. Just don't. Because, like, he's. He's the real thing he's worried about. Let's, let's be real. Let's be very real. The real thing he's worried about is not that Morgan would come after him if he doesn't put up Lauren. It's that Morgan might not hug him as much if he doesn't put up Lauren.

[Puya]

He doesn't want the dynamic to change.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Exactly. And so that is why he is currently waffle. That is why he approached Lauren to see if she was willing to go up on the block so that he could keep hugging Morgan and convince her to sleep in his bed with him. Like, because game wise, everyone knows Morgan's not targeting Vince next week regardless of what he does this week, unless he targets her, which he's not going to do. And you know, so it's like, it's just like, like this is, this is what we're watching. We're watching a man that is desperate to keep his hug man's cheap, cheap mans going while also trying to play the game.

[Puya]

And I think that's the complicated thing with following Vince. Well, aside from the fact you have to hear him whine all the time, is that you are getting everything you want in the game. How do you make it sound and be as miserable as it is? You have two people who are final twos for you on opposite sides, keeping you safe, who you should be good with. You have clear people that you should be getting rid of. Why does it sound and feel like that's not the case? Why? And I think that's when you're taran or looking at it, you're like, it's because this dynamic would shift if that happens. And he doesn't want to lose that dynamic because why else would it be? There's literally nothing else you can point on and be like that. That's why there's nothing else left at that point. So it's hard not to agree with you on this.

[Taryn Armstrong]

And the fact that we are sitting here in the morning before the nomination ceremony and having to tell you we don't know what Vince will do because there is a chance he puts up Lauren because he doesn't want Morgan to stop hugging him is, is, you know, you know what? Kudos to Morgan, I guess, in that, in that scenario. Because there's absolutely no scenario that he should be even considering this. From the minute he won the hoh, he should have been saying, I'm sorry, Morgan. There's absolutely no way I can put up Lauren. It's, it's just the way that it is. You know, I, you know, maybe. Maybe a backdoor situation, but the. This is why I need. It's. It's like almost every player in the history of the show has been capable of that. Just. Sorry, this is what I need to do. Oh, okay. That's frustrating. But like.

[Puya]

It shouldn't. Listen, we've.

[Taryn Armstrong]

We.

[Puya]

He got clowned on for putting up an ally his first train. He got clowned on for putting an ally second reign. By the third reign, you think someone would learn not to do that. And there should be non negotiables at this point. And he has two non negotiables. Clearly non negotiables enough that he, you know, gamed the. The White Locust the way he did to have both still be there. Then why is this even a debate we're having is why that this is even a conversation we're having? Again, this should have been a very easy night. I really came in and thought, huh, I can picture who he's gonna put up. I don't think I'm staying up all that much here. I am. So.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Puya]

Yeah.

[Taryn Armstrong]

All right. We got anything else to bring up from yesterday?

[Puya]

Man, I don't know. No, I don't think so. I hope not because I already feel like we've talked a lot about. But it's been. Again, it's the same five conversations on rinse and repeat. No, I. I don't know what music he got. I wasn't paying attention or it didn't come up. I'm not sure which one. And yeah, a couple brain cells left. So let's just get to the plugs because I might need those for that.

[Taryn Armstrong]

All right, well, you may have heard my book behind the Mirror coming out in just a couple of months now. Can now be pre ordered in audiobook form. Narrate me. I promise I. I won't do the Vinnie voice for him.

[Puya]

I was gonna say you need to make that plea. Okay, good, good. Or we're back in. We're so back.

[Taryn Armstrong]

Because listen, you get plenty of that in the updates. Nobody needs that in a book. But. But I will be narrating it. I'm very excited about it. So make sure you pre order the audiobook. Pre orders again, very helpful for the book in general. And of course, I will be live with. With Rob for the patron Q A as well. This update was earlier because we no longer have the X interview. So the Q A will also be earlier today. It will be at 1pm Eastern in just under an hour if you want to join us for the Patron Q A you can do so. And then, of course, we'll be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern update on everything that happens today on The Big Brother 27 live feeds, including what happens with this nomination ceremony. Um, so stay tuned for all of it. Find me on YouTube, Twitch and Patreon and Puya. What do you got going on?

[Puya]

Well, I can be found on Twitch as well. Twitch TV be live tonight at 10pm Eastern as we do every week. So pull up, hang out. We have a good time there. Check out the pal. I'm going to be editing that right after this, actually. So that's the Puyalliana Lounge. Me and Leon have a good time there. We talked about strategic sandwich bite choices because Liana, I guess, plans out where the destiny, the route of where the sandwich goes. So we get into that a little bit. So you can check that out. And Traders island has been very fun. Six episodes in. Myself and Annabelle are covering that. So if you've been looking to binge on something this weekend, that should be the show for you. Enjoy. Give it a chance. Honestly, it's been worth it.

[Taryn Armstrong]

I thought you said Traders island for a second and I was like as that's another island. Island have we got.

[Puya]

That's what Keanu was talking about last night. No, no.

[Taryn Armstrong]

There you go. All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here today and I will see all of you next time. From the Cascades to PDX to your.

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