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BB27 Monday Live Feed Update September 15, 2025
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Today, Taran Armstrong and Mike Bloom talk through the live feeds for Big Brother 27!
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A
Tron, Ares has arrived.
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B
I would like you to meet Ares, the ultimate AI soldier. He is biblically strong and supremely intelligent.
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A
You think you're in control of this? You're not. On October 10th, what are you? My world is coming to destroy yours. But I can help you. The war for our world begins in IMAX. Tron Ares, rated PG13. May be inappropriate for children under 13. Only in theaters October 10th. Get tickets now. Every morning, Taron Armstrong talked Big Brother. Looking at the stuff from yesterday, all the drama, all the strategy and silliness from Phoenix to HOH every single season, you know he is the reason, you know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 15th. I'm your host Taren Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday. The big brother 27 live feeds. It was day 69 in the house, which I guess is appropriate considering the sleeping arrangements. Plenty of drama, plenty of still back and forth nonsense going on. With me to talk about it all is Mike Bloom. How you doing, Mike?
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B
Taryn, I am thrilled to be here. A little disappointed of course. Last night on cbs, no Big Brother episode. Instead they aired at the Emmy Awards. I personally feel you were robbed for your portrayal as Vinny the Lip Pinero in best supporting actor. But regardless, it's an honor just to be nominated. Or maybe not if you're Lauren.
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A
You know, it's, it's always happens to me. Like I don't know why they wouldn't even look at me like, you know, so what did I do? It's always why.
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B
Oh my God. Yeah. I mean his acceptance speech would be incredibly interesting, especially if he was somehow put in the academy and given the chance to nominate or vote for even a show to win. We often don't get a lot of introspection into Academy members thoughts, but just to be a fly on the wall in a manner of speaking for how he would make his decisions and simultaneously complain about it every morsel of the time would be, you know, very unique. As opposed to the other members of the academy who are just sort of like, oh, traders, yeah, people like that. I'm going to vote for that to win.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the day. Of course Vince is the hoh. He nominated Keanu, Ava and Kelly for eviction. Morgan then won the veto and stayed up all night with him. The night before on day 68, slept in the same bed as him. As he slowly inched his way past the pillow barrier and has him convinced to nominate Lauren when she vetoes Ava off the block. That was the state of things at the end of the night last night.
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B
Yeah, frankly, listen, my equilibrium is not the way it is, Taren, because I'm feeling quite dizzy 24 hours later because, surprise, surprise, we have been going in circles and circles over the better part.
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A
Of the day, truly. Now, they did wake up. And. And again, this is like, for Morgan, the day is either Vinnie's doing what I want him to do, or Vinnie's not doing what I want him to do. And she has those two moods. And. And the mood when Vinnie is doing what she wants him to do is, hey, guys, how's it going? Oh, you're a. You're a video gamer, Keanu. What is that? Wow, you must have, like, a really smart brain if you're a video gamer like that.
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B
Yeah, I love this. It is. She thinks it's incredibly delicious, you know, getting to drop these seeds. We mainly get this as she's. To your point, in the jubilation state of Morgan's on, off switch making the charcuterie board yesterday. I missed her very packed schedule, and she's like, yeah, well, you know, you have this supreme strategic brain just because of all the video games you played. She is so waiting to go mask off. But I. As delicious as she thinks that is, I think it's even more delicious if she gets to the final two and makes that reveal. Because the thing about these reveals, Karen, is that it is almost never going to be, you know, face crack of the century. Oh, my God. My opinion of you has completely changed. If anything, it's more so just confirmation bias. Right. Like, when Xavier reveals he's a lawyer, it's like, oh, yeah. I mean, he did a good job of expressing his points. You know, he's a very good speaker. Yeah. It makes sense that he would be a lawyer. You know, if Ashley comes forward and gives her whole elbow speech at the end, I don't know. I don't think that we'll go full Zach in the way that he reacted in my interview, but it could be a certain regard of, like, oh, wow, okay, well, that's surprising. But, like, speaks more about her clients than it does about, you know, the way she regards this game. And I think even more so with Morgan, the second she reveals she's a professional gamer, there's a fair chance people might be like, did we know that already? Didn't she tell us that at some point?
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A
I I would love a Morgan Ashley Final 2, where Ashley comes out and says, so the whole time I've actually been a lawyer. And Morgan's like, wait, hold on. No, I'm also actually secretly a gamer.
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B
We literally just experienced this with Survivor 48, right, where Kyle's like, I'm a lawyer and Eva's like, hold my beer because I barely can drink one because I'm a grad student, you know. So, like, I would love the reveals on reveals. I guess we got this to a certain extent in BB23, right, with Xavier and then Derek Frazier's father. But yeah, we need the full synergy here.
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A
So Vincent, Morgan woke up in the morning and she's feeling good and she's asking him personal questions, you know, like, what would your normal day be said? Well, I'd wake up and, you know, like, get on the computer, maybe play some games, maybe look for some work a little bit. She's like, oh, it's interesting about the work comment. What kind of work are you looking for? You know, like, like what, what does that look like? Ah, you know, just like looking for some things. And she's like, remind me, what do you, what you do for work now? I mean, nothing at the moment. Oh, I know, I know. But like, what did you used to do? You know, just like some customer satisfaction situations and you know, and she's like, so what are you like, looking for? Like, what are, what are your job prospects here? You know, I just haven't found anything I'm passionate about, you know, and it's just, it's, it's so relationship coded.
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B
It really is like we are in simultaneously the speed dating portion of their relationship while also the seven year itch, as we'll get into later on, where these two people just cannot stand each other at certain points. I mean, listen, for all the talk that Vince is going to make, including today, about how he needs Morgan to hug him, to make him feel okay as much as his employment issues have been prevalent. He can give himself a certain job, you know, if he really wants to be gratified.
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A
Left that portion of his day out of the story.
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B
Got on the computer, I was like, all right, well.
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A
He also then rides his bike to his friend's house and I'm not kidding, so. So that was a very funny conversation. Then they get back to the veto and, you know, he's feeling a little bit of doubts again, but she gets him back on track. Hey, Vince. Vince, you know, this is what we're doing. Don't worry, I will Talk to Kelly. I will talk to Ava. You talk to Ava. We're gonna make this happen. He, at some point, is gonna have to talk to Lauren. So here we go. Right now, things immediately start getting interesting with Morgan because, as I mentioned before, she's talking to Keanu. And in the conversations with Keanu, she's basically saying, like, I think happening. And Keanu's like, well, this should be happening on me. The veto should be used on me, don't you think? For various reasons, of course. Self interested, mostly. But he actually starts making some progress with Morgan that it might make more sense to use the veto on him. And she's starting to get excited about this idea, which has been sort of, like, briefly talked about before. But, like, out of nowhere, she just locks in on the idea, not only because, like, Vinnie himself, the second she gets an inch, she wants to take a mile. And now that she feels comfortable that Vinnie's going to nominate Lauren, she's like, well, I can push this even further. Let me not. Let me veto Keanu put all three of the girls on the block, and one of them is guaranteed to go home. I don't want Keanu to go home. So. So maybe this is the play.
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B
Yeah. So, you know, I think it's incredibly interesting that Morgan, as you mentioned, bites off more than she can chew. Spent the better part of the past two days essentially first unsuccessfully getting Lauren nominated, now seemingly at this moment in time, getting Vince on the table to nominate Lauren. From my perspective, specifically under the circumstances that she take Ava off the block. And so, yeah, it's a classic negotiation tactic, Taryn, where you go back and forth, you settle upon a middle ground, and the last second, the person goes, yeah, but then also here, you know, now I want a million more dollars. And of course, every single time, it is going to go through. So, yeah, I think that Morgan, a bit high on her own supply at this point, huffing Eminem's like nobody's business, and decides, yeah, you know what? Keanu could be a shield for me. You know, this is a decision that, again, her and Vince are kind of two sides of the same coin here in that we'll talk about Vince getting himself in trouble by essentially talking through both options out loud to the people in question. Morgan, by the end of the night, will relent on the idea of using non Keanu, but not before expressing the idea to quite a few people in the house, including Keanu himself.
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A
Yes. And to Ashley, who expresses the very fears that we just mentioned, who's like, whoa, whoa, Morgan, no, that's a bad idea. If you do that. He's going to put me on the block. Like, that's. That's, like, not part of the deal. And it's gonna piss him off. He's gonna put me up on the block. I. I'm sure that another part of this for Ashley is that she doesn't want Morgan and Keanu bonding like that. She's trying to keep Keanu from working with Vince and Morgan as much as possible. And the idea of Morgan using the veto on Keanu, even if she didn't go on the block, is still bad for her because it gives Keanu and Morgan, like, this bonding agent if they ever actually teamed up. That would be terrible for Ashley. So. So she's pushing again. Like, no, no, no. He's gonna put me up. This should not be happening. But. But Morgan's on one and is not really hearing her in this moment. And so Ashley is kind of like, oh, my God, I am concerned. And she has to go and talk to Keanu eventually, but we'll get to that later. In the meantime, while Ashley is freaking out about this, Morgan goes to Ava and is like, hey, Ava, here's what I've been thinking. And Ava's like, frankly, I think it should be used on me, not Keanu, and doesn't really do a whole lot here. But, like, basically makes the case for why it should be used on her. She's been with Morgan and Ashley. Why would you use it on Keanu? That's just going to be another thing that Keanu gets to say at the end, like, oh, I had Morgan use it on me. And successfully talks Morgan down. Morgan is now not wanting to use the video, and this is why I'm sort of speeding through this, because it was a little blip, but it had some impact. She is eventually convinced to not use the veto on. On Keanu anymore. Talked down by Ava. And then Ava afterward also goes to the cameras and is like, hey, America, told you I'd get that veto. Told you.
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B
Yeah. I think the direct quote was like, first off, it's, hey, camera, come here, come here. She totally buellers it. She's like, ah, come on, guys. America, America. Like, did I not tell you that when I use this veto to shake up the house, look at what I'm doing. Like, I don't know. Taryn, is Ava descending into, like, Victoria Rafaela territory? I mean, I think she had much better jury odds, but, like, what is she on right now to be able to openly gloat about it and elicit. It's. It's fantastic TV to again, be able to have essentially nothing to do with this entire situation outside of the brief nudge. You know, when she talks with Vinnie later on, she will not push whatsoever on the idea that Lauren is going to go up. Surprise, surprise, it's Ava. But I kind of admire the sheer audacity of her to be like, look what I just did. The Machiavellian Mach Ava Valian that I was able to do right now. Dr. Will could never listen.
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A
I. I've been done with Ava for a while and this is, you know, certainly, you know, building her up too much. She's building herself up too much. And she continues to talk about how that B Rachel is tanking her chances of winning America's Favorite, which she was banking on.
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B
However, I want to talk about that for a second. Sorry. I posted about this last week after the roundtable because this is when Ava really pointed this out. And I'll say it again and listen. I am sure this season, now more than ever, the people who need to listen to this, AKA future house guests, are not listening to this. But in case there is somebody out there, any aliens that we want to send these remote signals to, in my opinion, in the game of Big Brother, the second you verbalize your thoughts that you have the audience is the second you lose them, if you haven't already. We are a fan base that does not necessarily like those who are so cocky as to say, even again, people who feel like they have all the coatings of a fan favorite. Yep, I'm definitely a fan favorite. It's tough. I know that. Again, internal logic in the house. You're talking through all these things 24 hours a day. I think openly wondering about other people if they'll be fan favorites is fine. The two rules I would say is don't let that dictate your gameplay. Don't make moves based on who you think the audience will or won't like. And even if you think that you've got AFP locked up, do not speak it into existence. Your boy knows his way around being a try hard and people can smell that from a mile away. As they are with Ava.
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A
Yeah, yeah. Always say you think somebody else is going to win America's Favorite. Even then, be careful about who you pick because if you're. If you're dead set on Riley, he's got to be America's. You're also just don't talk about it. There's no point in it. What I Will say though about Ava is that she's doing, she's doing okay this week, especially comparatively to many of the other players in the house. She is pretty well positioned. Vince is desperate to take her out of the game and he finds himself completely incapable of doing so. And I put that much more on Vince than I do Ava. However, she is well positioned in the sense that she has managed to keep both Morgan and Ashley on the hook thinking that she's with them while also being in this flower girls alliance with Lauren and Kelly. That puts her in a solid position here. She is also the person now that convinces Morgan to get off of the Keanu train. I think she would have been talked out of it anyway, but this has, she has had some success in the past when she is motivated to convince people of things much more so than Vince ever has. Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a four litre jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping. Oh, come on. They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.
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B
Whatever.
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A
You were made to outdo your holiday. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel and also when she does talk to Vince about this veto situation, I know a lot of people were like, wow, I thought you were going to pop off about him putting up Lauren. But at the end of the day, why should she? She's the one getting saved by the veto here. And if Vince puts up Lauren, she gets to and already is telling Lauren I told you so about that guy. So I think she's actually, now that she's thinking about it, kind of happy about the sit she's coming off the block and it means Lauren won't be loyal to Vince anymore. So of course she's kind of going to be like, oh, it is what it is, Vinnie.
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B
Yeah, I mean I think as well, you know then she's also able to speak as canonly to Vinnie as well of like, yeah, you effed up pretty much this week. No matter what is going to happen, you made your bed and you want someone to lie in it with you. And that is fundamentally your issue when it comes to your game. I do agree with you and I think, you know, it'll be interesting to see what translates to the stock watch later tonight as to what that might mean for a. But there was also a very funny moment later on in the night. Amidst the many, many Vincent Morgan conversations where, you know, Vince, as you mentioned, complains for the umpteen time of like, why couldn't we just get Ava out? And Morgan replies, well, that would be going against, you know, or yeah, why can we put Ashley up and get, you know, get Ava out? Well, that would be going against what the judges want. He's like, oh my God, now you know, we're working against why, why she actually working against the alliance. And Morgan's like, well, easy for you to say. You know, it takes one to no one in a manner of speaking. And so, yeah, the judges is sort of committee esque in that it is loosely held together by very taut pieces of string at this point. But it does seem like they are united, at least operating as some sort of a unit at this point. That does prevent Vince from taking the shot that he really wants and I think is also one of the reasons why, as he expresses to Morgan, Lauren and Morgan, Morgan, oh my God, that.
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A
Freudian slip in people's dreams.
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B
Exactly, exactly. But it's something that, you know, he expresses to Lauren multiple times when he breaks the news to her, which is like he automatically assumes that he's on Ava's hit list. He was the first time. And he assumes that Kelly is going to put him up as well. So again, this is why he does the whole two for one deal. Because he believes that Ava is a lost cause to him no matter what, which is why he feels like he has to acquiesce and put up one of her tightest allies.
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A
Yes. So, Laura, Lauren does talk to Vince. He, he needs to break the news and he tells her, I, I need you to, to go up. I'm sorry. And of course she's like, no, absolutely not, Vince. If I go up, I go home. No, no, no, you're guaranteed to stay. You're guaranteed. No, I'm not. No, you are, because Morgan and Ashley are going to vote for you and Kelly and Ava are going to vote for you. Like, you're guaranteed no matter what. It's like, why would you be upset with me? Why? Because they're lying to you. They want me gone. Why would they want me up if they don't want me gone, Vince, because you, you haven't touched the block. That's, that's it. Like, it's. You just need to touch the block. Okay, and then, and then you'll stay. Will you really be upset with me? Yes. Even if you stay? Vince, Vince, I, I feel like I've done so much for you. In this game. I. I just don't understand why this doesn't make any sense. Like, why is. Why is this even happening? No, don't do that. Which is his response anytime anybody cries in front of him.
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B
Yeah. Which always makes the situation a lot better. It's. It's not. You're being hysterical. Calm down. But it's like, come on. Stop it. You don't want to do that.
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A
I'm so excited when you won. Hoh. I. I know. Me too. Kelly would never have put me up. Ava would never put me up. I know. Oh, but that means they won't vote you out. Oh, my God.
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B
Oh, my God. This was an incredible conversation because I don't know how Vince thought this would go, especially considering he has immediate past precedent to rely on. Was he not sitting in the backyard for two hours begging her Chapel Roan style, please, please, please go up on the block? It's fine. And she vehemently disagreed with it. And now he's coming back being like, I don't understand why you're so upset about this. This was just astounding to watch. I just loved Vince trying to affirm his loyalty while trying to lay the ground for such a prominently disloyal move to the point where, you know, Lauren's like, I thought that, you know, you would do anything to keep me. You would never put me up. If it's like, yeah, I definitely would. Except for this one scenario where I have to also apologize. That is Sabrina Carpenter, not Chapel Rowan. Miss my pop girlies up. But, yeah, I mean, again, I will give kudos to Lauren here. Again, it's the bare minimum. But that means a lot in this season that we'll talk about this later on that clearly. And I think a lot of this is, like, very understandable emotions involved with such a bad decision. But I think part of it is her really pushing Vince, knowing that, again, if he cares about her to the extent that he expresses that he does, if she is not going to consent to this, that might really nudge him in the other direction.
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A
And it's like, it's. The wild part about this is that, like, the arguments are correct, too. It's like, Lauren has no recourse. She can't retaliate against Vince. Even if she stays and wins next week, it still doesn't make sense to target Vince outright when Morgan and Keanu are still potentially in the game. So, like, he doesn't even really need to do any of this at all. But also, like, you know, what can she even do? That said, I still, like, I just, I want to feel like, okay, Lauren, you're standing up for yourself. But like, until she actually starts, like not calling him her number one in the game.
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B
Yeah. I mean, she literally goes out to the backyard. Ryan does a cam talk. Like, y', all, you're about to see someone put up their number one Ally in the game. It's like you're still calling up your number one. I mean, listen, she is going to make an ultimatum later on. I agree that it sounds fairly empty until it can be followed through on, but yeah, I mean, just. Again, I don't know exactly what Vince thought the conversation was. Was going to be, but it's. And here's the other thing as well. At least in my opinion, the minute Vince had this conversation, he has to put her up again. At least from more of an objective perspective. Because we talked about this a little bit with like, you know, the whole Keanu nearly putting up Rachel thing. Like the second you float this idea out in a semi public setting that you were this close to putting somebody up on paper, it would be grounds to have you fall out of favor with them anyway. So then you might as well go through with it because you're basically already doing it by kind of like, for lack of a better term, it's emotional cheating. You know, it's him being like, well, nothing actually happened. But I was certainly thinking about it and entertaining the notion. That's almost as bad as doing the carnal act itself.
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A
Completely correct. Yeah. And you would hope that Lauren feels that way too. Right. So I. He. He finishes the conversation with Lauren. She's in tears. Isaac, no, stop. And. And she leaves the room because like, by the way, while this is happening, like, Ashley is trying to talk to him. Like Vince, it's urgent because she needs to get Morgan to not use the veto. Not knowing that Morgan already has turned away from using the video on Keanu. He's. Morgan has also said, I need to talk to you, Vince. It's urgent because she was planning to do it. Now he's not planning to do it. And so they finally get Lauren out of the room and Morgan comes in to talk to Vince. And when she walks in the room, he is lying face down on the bed.
- [26:53]
B
He legitimately, any soul he had left his body, like legitimately after Lauren left, he goes over to the bed and just slumps in it face down like he's essentially a corpse. And they might as well draw a chalk outline up him and put him in the have not room because Again, for some reason, his wild expectations of how this conversation would go did not meet. And so now he's like, oh, my God. I mean, he'll cite later, right? Like, 69 days. Every conversation we've had ended with a hug. Now she storms out of my life. This is his worst nightmare.
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A
Yeah. Morgan comes in, sees him laying on the, Starts rubbing his back. Are you okay? It's just a losing situation for me. This is the most mad I've ever seen Lauren. She's fed up with me like everyone else. Yeah, he's 69 days. We've always ended every conversation with a hug. She won't even look at me now, though. No matter what happens now, my game is fucked. I can't make any right decisions in this game. How can you say that when you're still here, Vince? Only barely. Vince, you're physically here. Who is this sitting in front of me? Is it Vance? And she starts poking at his leg. And as soon as she starts touching him, he smiles.
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B
Yeah, Yeah, I watch that third leg at the point she poked him.
- [28:18]
A
But. But Morgan, if. If Lauren stays no matter what, then what's the point? Wow, Vince, we already talked about this. Every time. Every time you talk to Lauren, you go back to doubting everything we've talked about every single time. Do you remember how happy we were? But now I'm gonna lose an ally no matter what. Then we might as well send her home. No, don't say that. That's even worse. What kind of ally is she anyway? If she's saying she won't be with you if you don't do what she wants?
- [28:59]
B
Fine.
- [29:00]
A
Fine. I'll do it then. And I'll just go home and. And I'll have to live with it. Wow. So it'll be my fault. No, it's my decision.
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B
And then.
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A
And I'll just live with it for the rest of my life. Wow. Fine, then just put Ashley up then. Just put Ashley up then. She just, yeah, sits there with her.
- [29:24]
B
Head in her hands for, like, two minutes. Like, just pure silence.
- [29:29]
A
And you. You can see Vince, like, slouch. Put his arms out.
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B
Yep.
- [29:37]
A
And start getting slowly, slowly. He desperately wants to touch her.
- [29:42]
B
He legitimately, like, flops his arm onto the bed, palm up, waiting for, you know, her to take it Mr. Darcy style. And she is just refusing in this moment. So he decides to tell her the one thing she needs to hear in that moment.
- [30:02]
A
Morgan. Yeah? Use. Use the veto on Ava. I'll put Lauren up. Can I have a hug?
- [30:18]
B
Subtext vids Subtext. Don't say the koi part out loud.
- [30:22]
A
I just hate when we're not together, you know, like on the same page. You. She. She doesn't give him a hug, but she does, like, so she basically takes this moment and says and. And uses it to, like, further drive in the knife. Like, now that she has him hooked, she further drives in the knife until he completely relents. And then she starts talking about. And then she starts, like. Then they start talking about being happy again, and they're joking around again, and she's a little bit more touchy. He's now agreed he is definitely going to do it again. And now something else worth mentioning. She has decided she's not going to sleep up in the hoh room tonight. She's, like, moved some of her stuff down. She needs to, like, sleep in. In a bed downstairs. And of course, everyone's been waiting. How long will it take for Vince to try to get her to come back up? And so it's in this moment that he says. What? Oh, sorry, I was about to just make a bad joke. Oh, I think I know where you're going with this. No, you don't. Yeah, I do. No. Then tell me. No, no, it's. It's a bad joke. It's a bad joke. No, I know. I know you're going with it. Tell me. Come on. Okay, I was just gonna say. I was gonna say, are you. Are you gonna sleep downstairs now that you're done taking over my hoh. Oh.
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B
God.
- [32:17]
A
She's like, oh, no, I can sleep at the end of your bed like a dog now, Vinnie. I follow you around. No, I follow you around. Then they, like, want to hug.
- [32:31]
B
Yep.
- [32:32]
A
And she's just like, oh, it's.
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B
Yeah, because I forget how to hug. Because earlier they did the side hug. She said, I only give homie hugs. These are the. Because apparently the other ones are too passionate. And now it's like, okay, now they've had a makeup. This is their. Their makeup. Insert the phrase here. You know, and then.
- [32:52]
A
And then they. They. They do the hug. And he. And he whispers, am I too clingy? And she's. She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're too clingy, Vince. Okay, I'll go hang out with Lauren then.
- [33:07]
B
The weird thing about Vince is that in both of these settings, the common denominator is self loathing. You know, even when he. Him and Morgan are more copacetic, he still is punching himself in the face. You know, even during this moment when they're on the same page. And Morgan's like, vince, you gotta stop calling yourself a piece of shit. Like, you know, he reads like a phrase from a tea bag that's like, you know, do what you want, speak to your gut. He's like, yeah, that's your motto. He's like, my motto is that I everyone over and I'm such a loser. And it's like, if this is you when you're happy, this is just a constant state you operate in at this point. What's your blood pressure, sir?
- [33:52]
A
It's, I, I, I, I said it, I tweeted this out. I was just like, there's genuinely no way that I can properly convey how ridiculous and unserious these people, these two people are in their interactions. There's just no way. If you're not watching this, I, I can only convey to you the smallest piece of it. And the wild thing is the people that are not watching are like, wow, you're really exaggerating. No, no, no. I can't even come close to how ridiculous it actually is. It is beyond my power. I, I am, I have reached my limit. I can't do it for you. It's all that I have to give you. As much as I'm doing right now.
- [34:37]
B
It really is a perfect storm for you in that. Again, there is a lot of strategy to talk through with Vince. He is one of the two. He's quite literally a key holder. But the whole intrigue coming out of this day in the past couple of days and today as well on the feeds is that him and Morgan ideally have to be in lockstep. And it really is this game of chicken. As to, okay, what's Morgan going to decide and how is Vince going to respond with it? The fact that they sort of have, you know, priorities that sometimes align, sometimes misalign, but the fact of the matter is Vince's strategy, which you love to get into the nitty gritty with, is largely driven by emotions, by perhaps physical touch, by what seems to be genuine feelings, platonic or not human, you know, relationships with these people that he really gets along with. You're trying to sit down and have your steak and potatoes, your basic meal, and there's a bunch of sugar dumped on top of it. You know, you're not used to this seasoning and you're having a really difficult time digesting this, especially considering that you're eating the sugary steak day after day after day. This has been a non stop cycle that has only been exaggerated over the past couple Weeks with these examples being more prominent of Lauren versus Morgan and Vince being the one to have to make the big decision this week.
- [36:01]
A
It's just. It's so ridiculous. And so that's how they end the conversation. Now, while this has been happening, Ashley, still freaking out about Morgan wanting to use the veto on Keanu, has gone to Keanu to try to convince him to lay off of this plan. And so in the process of doing that, she tells him, it can't be used on you because I will go up on the block. Vinnie's not going to follow through on the plan to put Lauren up if it's used on you. Does kind of talk him down and feels like, okay, Keanu himself is not hoping to. To. To make this happen anymore. Therefore, this will shut it down with Morgan because I haven't been able to talk to Morgan. So then she goes on up and talks to Vince and she says, hey, I just. Crisis averted. I just had to talk people down from Morgan using the veto on Keanu. And Morgan did tell Vince as part of her, like, driving in the knife was like, you know, I even thought earlier that I would use the veto on Keanu, but I realized that I can't do that because of blah, blah, blah. And so I promise this becomes slightly relevant. They have a conversation, Ashley and Vinnie. I actually, I saw very funny comments that was like, you know, Vince obviously does his best to mirror people when he's talking to them. And so I saw a funny comment that was like, wow, Vince always mirroring people. He actually sounds like a good strategist when he talks to Ashley. So they talk a little bit about numbers and everything. And she promises she will keep Lauren for him. That otherwise she would be wanting Lauren out but for the alliance, for him. If he puts up Lauren, he. She will 100% she will not turn back on it. She will vote to keep Lauren. That's what he needed to hear. And so, you know, the conversation goes well.
- [37:57]
B
Yeah, for now. Again, you talk about the mirroring, but something we also know about our good friend Ashley Hollis. She loves mess and she ended up creating some. Again, to your point, fueled on by this paranoia that she could be going up, decides to do one of the ten commandments in the Big Brother house and she firmly breaks it. If you don't want something to be spread around the house, do not tell Keanu.
- [38:30]
A
Yeah, I mean, this is. This is. Again, like I said, I said it yesterday that, like, she is taking over Rachel's role. And. And that means that Keanu is going to continue to get in the way of both his and her game because Keanu's gonna go up trying to get the plan to happen. And of course just further gets in his own way. He's, he tells Vince that he's here. He's heard that if the veto is used on him that Ashley will go on the block. And Vince's like, who said that? And he's like, I don't say. He eventually says Ashley told me and now Vince. Oh, why would Ashley say that? And just again, just further gets himself and the people that he's trying to work with in trou as Keanu does. It wouldn't be a day in the big brother 27 house if he wasn't making a big mistake for no reason.
- [39:24]
B
Well, and also the fact that again, as you've talked about many and many a time, he has such an over reliance on this very one sided friendship with Vince. I mean, you know, around towards the beginning of the day when people are waking up, he's going to make this big pitch to Vince about like if you don't put lowering up, you know, you're, you're making a second play, you're playing a second place game. And like, you know, you got to get rid of Lauren because you already have two shields in this game. And it's like again, Keanu has such a weird kaleidoscope view of the house in that Lauren is not a shield. I think that, you know, again, perception can be reality. I think certainly the more these people have been talking about this argument of like, well, Lauren's never been nominated and if she gets to the end that'll give her the win. It's not always going to give you the win. Boe Jane was never nominated until the final three. But the fact that he is talking up, I think this idea of like, well, they'll always get rid of Lauren over Vince. That is very much not the case whatsoever.
- [40:23]
A
Yeah. And you know, I think that a huge part of this very false narrative that like, you know, Vinnie seems like an absolute fool, but somehow it keeps working. It all stems from the fact that Keanu is the one that keeps going back. Like Keanu is the reason why people think that Vince is anything in the game. But again, the only reason that's true is because Vince is the only other man left in the house. When Riley was still there, Riley was beating Vince for Keanu's attention, affection and loyalty. Riley was better than Vince at getting Keanu. And if Keanu is Vince's crowning Achievement, then I think that speaks volumes to Vince's game. But. But this narrat popped up specifically because of. Specifically Keanu. Lauren, of course, having is still reeling from her conversation with. With. With Vince, is talking to the camera. My. My final two is gonna put me up. Apparently, she talks to Kelly about it. She's pretty frustrated. It's really hard to hear this conversation, though, because they're in the hot tub and big brother apparently is not telling him. They need to, like, put their mics around their forehead or whatever.
- [41:42]
B
Listen, we saw a couple of seasons ago how microphones and hot tubs do not mix, so they just want to keep it as far away from the body of water as possible.
- [41:50]
A
But she's expressing some significant frustration and how she, you know, really would have been loyal to him. It's not clear yet, like, how loyal she might be to him. Even if it doesn't happen now, hopefully we'll get some amount of insight from her diary rooms, perhaps. Who knows? Yeah, I would imagine from my perspective, that she was already considering going with people like Ava and Kelly to the end. I mean, I think she wanted a final four of Ava, Kelly, Vince.
- [42:27]
B
I mean, yeah, that's something that she has been pitching for the past couple days. Right. Kelly trying to pitch it as well.
- [42:32]
A
Yes. But, like, who she actually took to final two, I think was him. Despite being aligned with Ava and Kelly, I don't know if that. If she was really considerate. Other options. By the time she had gotten to where she was before this week, I don't know if the events of this week have changed her mind on that at all. I would certainly hope so, but. But she's really so averse to betraying anybody. And the fact that they have been working together from very, very early on, I think she really desperately in had this picture in her mind of being loyal to one person all the way through, so who knows? But Ava, of course, is like, girl, I've been telling you. And. And Lauren eventually musters up the courage to say, you know what? I'm not gonna just take this. I'm gonna go and talk to him again. I'm gonna try to convince him to put up Ashley if Morgan's definitely using the veto instead of me. And. And so she goes upstairs and just camps out in the hoh room and refuses to leave until Vince comes up and talks to her. And long time procrastinating this task.
- [43:45]
B
Yeah. Who would have thought that he took a page out of Ashley's book and, ironically enough, on his own hoh spent two hours in the shower because we get this standoff between Lauren and Morgan both hanging out in the hoh and it really. Taryn just hits the point home for me. And again, I will give the bare minimum kudos to Lauren for pushing back the way she does, especially in this upcoming conversation. But I am a little astounded that she has not had the foresight to have a conversation with Morgan. You know, like, at least in the Boy is Mine, Brandy and Monica talk to each other. You know, there was no third person in the room. It just seems like such a missed opportunity to. Especially when you were in that space. And even with Vince, if she overhears in the room, this is his dream come true to be like, okay, listen, you've got the veto. Let's try to work something out. Right now it's at the final seven. There's a double coming up. Let's keep each other safe. How can we make this happen so the three of us can get to the end together? It's okay. It's fine. If you break that deal later on. It just feels like leaving so much money on the table that your game is in the hands of these two people and you are actively not brokering any sort of strategic acumen with 50% of them.
- [45:04]
A
Yeah, it's. It's incredibly frustrating and it's. It's the reason why I cannot feel bad for her in this position because, yeah, the, you know, that the whole point, the whole problem is that Morgan really wants this to happen. Give her any reason to doubt herself even just the tiniest bit. And. And she just refuses to do so.
- [45:30]
B
It's.
- [45:30]
A
It's like, it's not even a consideration. It's not like she's thought about it and decided against it. It's not even something she has considered doing. She only can talk game with these specific people. And. And that's just the end of it. And so, yeah, it's incredibly frustrating.
- [45:51]
B
Yeah. I mean, the fact of the matter is, and again, perception is reality. You know, I'll be intrigued to get your thoughts about what happens after this week if Lauren gets to the final two and what her prospects look like versus last week. But, like, they're talking about how she has this great social game, but there seems to be mounting evidence that she has not actively talked with game or otherwise half of the jury at this point. And that feels like a rather large mark against you considering those are the people voting for you to win 750k.
- [46:26]
A
Now she does go and finally manages to talk to Vince. He finally comes upstairs, and I will give her this. She finally pitches, I would say, a better version of what she was doing before and understands what she needs to say for the most part to try to get Vince to not do this. And the pitch is basically thus. She says, I really want to work with you, Vince. I want you, me, Ava, and Kelly. Kelly, I'm telling you, she would be super loyal. The four of us together can do this. If Morgan is going to use the veto, no matter what, just put up Ashley. Morgan will be upset, but she's the one that put you in this position. Then either Ashley or Keanu will go home, and it's just Morgan and that remaining person left to be upset with you against the four of us. It's ridiculous that you not doing what you want, that you not doing what she wants you to do on your hoh would be strike three for her to want to work with you when you, you know, when you've done so much for her in the game already. If you put me up, Vince, you lose me. That's it. You lose me if you put me up. So don't think you can put me up and not lose me. And so she makes all of these points while Vince is like, what? No, no, don't say that. No. What? No, no, don'.
- [47:53]
B
Pulling the string on the doll. Repeating the same three responses.
- [47:56]
A
Yeah. He finally responds. I just feel sick to my stomach. I'm worried. Oh, I'm worried that Morgan and Ashley are gaming me. Oh, I'm worried they're gonna take over my hoh and make me look foolish. She's like, yes. Oh, no, I don't like it. And. And so she makes significant progress here and. And has him all turned around once again.
- [48:27]
B
Yeah. I mean, because she is confirming his worst fears, of which he has many, but she is speaking them to life as much as we do. The meme of Lauren is scared. Lauren is scaring him in this moment by saying, you know, really hitting his weak spot, which is like, hey, I will not like you you after this. I will not work with you if you make this move. And for all the stuff he's been led to believe or has taught himself to believe over the course of this week about how this is going to be okay. He'll get Lauren back on his side. You know, he'll be able to get all these numbers around him. She is confirming the fact that this has got him turned ass backwards, for better or worse. And again, I still think in this moment, he had to be Pot committed. And he had to put her up. And we'll see if that is the case in about, you know, four hours or so at the time we're talking right now. But, you know, I think she was bringing up the points that he needed to hear, which is like, you fear that you are going to lose Morgan if you don't put me up. Well, you've already lost me. So go ahead, make a decision. Lose half the house.
- [49:36]
A
She finally figured out the key to manipulating Vince, which is you need to be his enemy. The more you are his enemy, the better he treats you.
- [49:52]
B
Yes.
- [49:52]
A
The more you're his friend, the more he takes advantage of you. So the more you push him away and say, I will not be your friend, the more he goes, oh, no, you're my enemy. Then I have to treat you better. And the more you say, vince, I'm with you no matter what, he goes, oh, goodies. Then I can put you up. And so that is why. And that is why he is. And then he complains about it. They're all. They're both saying that they won't work with me if I don't do this. Why? Why?
- [50:24]
B
I mean, she is quite literally playing hard to get. And that, as we know from Vince, in many ways, is one of the ideologies he operates around. That's what's written on his teabag. Terran.
- [50:37]
A
Yep. So he has once again been convinced to go in the other direction and that Morgan comes in to check on him, and the first thing he does is ask her about this whole Ashley telling Keanu situation. Why is Ashley telling Keanu that. That she will go up if the veto is used on him? And Morgan's like, I don't know. I. Who cares? And they start arguing again because he's like, I just don't get the point. I just don't get the point. Why are we even doing this? And Morgan's being. Are you serious? Again. Really? Again? You. You talk to Lauren one more time again, and now you're back on this? Really? I'm sorry. I just. I don't give a. If Lauren hasn't touched the block, that just means she's irrelevant. It just means she's irrelevant to the game. It doesn't mean anything. No, no. It means she's your untouchable. No, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't do anything to put Lauren on the block. It doesn't matter. I knew she would convince you. I knew she would convince you in one conversation, but she told me she'd Be done with me if this happened. Wow. And you still want to work with her after that. But you're both telling me the same thing. Vince, why is it that we have to stay up until five in the morning to finally agree on something great? Question my sleep schedule for it. And she talks to you for an hour and undoes it all. Why?
- [52:18]
B
Look at the sacrifices I'm making, Tara. Vince, I've. Now you're becoming one of the same. I've stayed up till five in the morning every day. I've caused the Big Brother fan base to lose their minds in multiple ways and this is what I get for it. This is what my hard work has paid off for. Bupkis.
- [52:37]
A
I know you have a final two with her, Vince. No, don't say that. Do I want Lauren to sleep up here? No. You already know. I'm not gonna say things you already know. I think you already know how strongly I feel about our connection in the game.
- [53:00]
B
Doesn't she literally say beforehand? Like she's like, I don't know how this is going to do with our. Like she can't even put a name to what they've got going on because the term relationship has got them turned around since Zingbot. That again, for a man that is as explicit as Vince, what's implied is oftentimes even more damning. Talk about an October surprise that's coming our way.
- [53:25]
A
Yeah, and she. And she starts, fine, then fine, I won't use it. Done and done. That's it. Well, I don't want you screwing up your game. Nope. I'm just a little puppy doing whatever Vince tells me, even after he's me over twice. That's fine, Morgan.
- [53:43]
B
No.
- [53:45]
A
And now I'm realizing why he uses that tactic even though it never works on anyone because apparently it works on him.
- [53:51]
B
It really is. You know, it is this thing of like, hey, this helps get me to appeal to people's, you know, certain arguments. So maybe if I try it to them, it'll work just as well. And I don't know if Morgan clock that or if she is genuinely just so frustrated at this point that she basically is just going to throw the veto away. But hook, line and sinker. And I love the moment when she storms out and Vince waits a grand total of 30 seconds, he's like, God damn it. And he, as he slowly Mr. Roger style, like, puts on his shoes, gets his hat on, like, I guess I gotta chase after her, but I'm gonna take my sweet ass time doing it.
- [54:34]
A
Listen, it's it continues to be ridiculous. It continues to be the same stuff. It's just more and more and more of it. This goes on for a very long time. There's an intermission. There's more of it later. She is, in fact, sleeping up there again. Toward the end of the conversation, there's really not even much of a conclusion that is reached. She does eventually get him back on board to do it, but he's gonna need to talk to Lauren about it. And she says, if you talk to Lauren about it, she's just gonna convince you to not do it again. And he's. And so that's it. Like, that's that. I'm sorry. That's all I have for you because there's just gonna be more of this, and it's just gonna be who talks to him last. So Morgan better, you know, stake out the diary room. I don't know.
- [55:30]
B
Oh, that's a great idea, actually. Maybe she should have taken the pillow and blanket into the diary room and camped out in that hallway. Because, as we know from Ashley. Right. Like, you could just stop people while they're in limbo in that state. I mean. Yeah. This is the equivalent of, like, when you're watching a streaming show and you like, X out of it for the night and you come back and you're like, wait, I already watched this episode. Why is it starting all over again? That's been the past few days of this. However, I will say, in the midst of this, you know, when we were. I was on the stock watch last week, and again, I think this season still took an incredibly sizable hit by, frankly, the atrocious and asinine streak of production decisions that were made. But given the fact that a week ago things were pretty much at a standstill with any sort of strategy, there's at least some incredibly frustrating strategy to talk about.
- [56:22]
A
I don't know if I'd call it strategy, but there's definitely stuff happening.
- [56:26]
B
There's a lot of human drama that is surprisingly baked into this.
- [56:30]
A
A lot of human chemistry drama.
- [56:31]
B
There's a lot of chemistry happening where it's just acidic basic reactions happening every couple of hours over and over again. And so it's at least kept me interested in watching the feeds, even knowing that the conversations are going to have the same result to them. There's bound to be some sort of pathetic response to Vince. There's bound to be some sort of reaction where Morgan takes things from 0 to 60 and basically gives an ultimatum and says, fine, I guess I'll Never be your friend anymore. There's going to be a time when Kelly awkwardly sticks her bucket hat in the door and is like, hey, I've been waiting here for six and a half hours. It's been an endurance cup at. Can I talk to you about the fact that I don't really know what's going on? There's been some stuff to watch on the feeds that has been truly unbelievable in every sense. And so I really do think that this was kind of a perfect week in terms of wins. The fact that these two are the ones in power has made this week so, so much more interesting, especially in a phase where it's all going to essentially come down to the blockbuster anyway. They are, you know, despite the fact that this two hour episode is going to be stuffed anyway with an hoh, you know, nominations and power of veto on Wednesday, they are giving license. Taryn, to make this a cliffhanger because there is so much back and forth. They are giving so much material as to who actually is going to go up.
- [57:48]
A
Yeah, it's, it's, it's just incredibly ridiculous. I even like, when he was talking to Lauren, he did promise her she was not going on the block. Then that came up in the conversation with Morgan. She got even more mad. They talked about how he needs to now break that promise. So Lauren is like back to thinking she's good and he's going to talk to her again in the morning about nominating her theoretically. So just generally the ceremony has been at like, about like 10 or 11 Pacific, which is in about an hour or two at most.
- [58:29]
B
They're not. And they're not up yet at this point. Point.
- [58:32]
A
So listen, it's gonna be just ridiculous. And this is what I tweeted out this morning. I was, I've, I was thinking about this because obviously we've been calling this the worst strategic cast in the history of the show. And then all of a sudden the. The Kude hamster wheel comes up, comes around and completely destroys the integrity of anybody's winning game. At least the people that benefited from Rachel leaving. And, and I was thinking about. And I was like, oh, my God. At least three of the seven people in this house will be, at the very least in the running for the worst winner in the history of the show. Vince easily. Keanu easily. Kelly easily. And when I made that tweet, people were like giving five different names, six different names. Because there's at least. Because I, the, the at least is doing a lot of heavy lifting there because, yeah, you could easily make a case for Ava, for Lauren, maybe even Morgan. At least she's trying. And there are some Ashley haters, but I. I would not say Ashley at this point in time. And it's just like, just genuinely, it's. It's just, it's such like, no winner of the show has ever been as bad as Vince, Keanu or Kelly. Just straight up. Just straight up. We talk about how twists have, like, you know, ruined the sanctity of us, of wins here or there, you know, Evil Dale, Vic's, Jordan's, Rachel's, herself. But, you know, those are still nowhere close. First of all, there's still a twist that ruined the sanctity of a win here. On top of the utter ludicrousy that is the gameplay that these people are doing, on top of the fact that they have such a terrible cast to begin with. And yes, there's Jag. Yes, there's Jag, but you know how much this.
- [60:45]
B
I know Tara. This could be so much pain right now.
- [60:48]
A
Even Jaguar at this portion of the season was not nearly as bad as Vince's right now. Like, even, even Jag would not have made these kinds of mistakes.
- [61:01]
B
That's the thing, is that usually in a Big Brother season, people have their feet under them two months in. Right to your point. Sometimes with those winners you were talking about, either they stumble out of the gate, you know, an a baller situation, or like they get into trouble and then something gets thrown in at the last second to help their game. You mentioned Rachel being a prime example of that. But even Rachel herself, yeah, was screwed at that Final six were not for Pandora's box, but she was able to help win herself to the end through competitions. Evil Dick was able to maintain this grip of the game with Danielle. And yet to your point, it's less so about the fact that like, okay, these people were helped by a twist. It's also what you do with it. And again, while you think that a player 69 days into the game would be at least at a bit of a trot, Vince is tripping over his own shoelaces and he's the one refusing to tie his shoes. He thinks that he can keep running and he can still maintain a good pace, but there are several things that he has not done up to this point that is tripping him up. That makes things so instrumentally harder for him. So, yes, I do think that in the past, people have succeeded due to circumstances that are out of their control. And that is to your point, what makes this so Wild is the fact that there is that in addition to the fact that there's not a lot to also show for it. At the same time, I think that when we look at next season and how people look back on this, I'm incredibly intrigued to see how this is going to be received because I do think that players tend to kind of broad brush a lot of winners games right, by being like, well, clearly everything they did was successful because they won in the end. And that frankly is insulting to obfuscate. Sometimes up to 100 days of gameplay that can be rife with errors and should be picked apart and can be examinated as to what to do and what to not do. Big Brother is not a zero sum game. You earn a nice sum of money at the end, but it is the culmination of so many micro and macro decisions that you make week that it is never going to be, especially in this instance, looked upon as you could be a good winner. But it almost always depends on the circumstances that you're with. The people, the places, the timing. Nowhere is that more indicative than this particular season.
- [63:23]
A
We say it all the time. Somebody has to win and when potentially five of the seven winners would all be the worst, one of them has to potentially win. You know, like that's just how things go. So anyway, anything else to bring up from yesterday, Mike?
- [63:38]
B
Like I did like again the conversation between, well, first off, Kelly was. Was Kelly was on one as well. You know, a couple of moments. Obviously this was a big Morgan Vince day, understandably so. But you know, Kelly talking with Keanu, comparing Ashley to Dr. Will again, tell me you, you haven't seen Big Brother without telling me you haven't seen Big Brother. Considering that just going off of comp record, I did love the conversation that Kelly had with Vince where Kelly's trying to strong arm him by being like, don't put up Morgan, don't put up Lauren or I'll force the tie and you have to get rid of Keanu. And Vince is so beaten down at this point he's just like, do it, I don't care. Sure, why not?
- [64:27]
A
He's almost excited like, oh, you. So you're definitely keeping Lauren then. Like it did not land the way Kelly thought it would.
- [64:34]
B
Yeah, exactly. Which again, I mean you want that to the point where even in that conversation Kelly's like, I feel like I stopped playing the game this week. And that's the other thing about this. All as well is that this is the sidecar to the motorcycle. That's what makes this week, even Wilder is like, yes, there is a fair chance that if Lauren goes up, she could possibly go. But we should still look at the fact that there's a very realistic chance that Keanu or Kelly goes due to the blockbuster that has been completely sidelined due to the fact that A, it's a constant in this house and B, there's just so much drama going on with these three. But as the nomination and renominations are made today, we kind of have to circle back to this fact that like, oh, yeah, there's a very fair chance that Kelly is going to go out here on a week that had essentially nothing to do with her.
- [65:27]
A
Yeah. I mean, she is the de facto target at the moment. So keep that in mind. There was no progress on the Ashley potentially keeping Kelly Kelly front, especially because Kelly keeps specifically targeting and smack talking Ashley and revealing what she overheard about it. She is. She did tell Ava and Lauren that when she overheard Ashley talking to Keanu the day before, she was telling Keanu specifically that she was a vote to keep Keanu because Keanu would not put her up and Kelly would. And so she's like, so now I'm telling Ashley that I wouldn't. That would. I would not put her on the block.
- [66:08]
B
Man, can't wait for these moves to come out in the final two speech along. You know, she'll unearth them like dead bugs around the house and will probably prompt a similar reaction. Also, I think somebody caught on social media there was that one point when like Vince was walking out of, you know, his cloistering in the hoh room and like they caught Kelly meowing on the live feeds as he's like chasing after again, just Kelly doing Kelly things.
- [66:33]
A
Yeah. Also, like, ironically, I think that if Lauren does go on the block and wins the blockbuster, sending home either Kelly or Keanu, I think she wins more jury votes from that situation than the whole, oh, she never touched the block thing because now she's like an actual target worth putting on the block and beat the two computers beasts to send one of them home. Like, it's just, listen, they're all backwards here.
- [67:03]
B
It all is all. But. But here's the thing, Taryn, again, I keep saying this. This backwards logic is front facing when it comes to this jury. Again, they are the ones that's going to determine this. Their mentality is going to inform why they're voting the way they do. So if they believe somehow that all of this corresponds to being the most dangerous player in the game game, they're gonna Give it to them. Their reality is very much separate from their own. Nowhere is that more clear than this season. So, you know, as we're encroaching upon less than two weeks before the finale, it just makes me increasingly interested into what is going to happen on finale night. And especially as information starts coming out as to, like, why people are voting where. I mean, again, we're spending such little time in the jury house too, that, that it could take very little to sway these people's opinions or a lot in the form of a competition win or a key move that was made from their perspective to flip any perceptions. Rachel and Will both said in my exit press that they had a lot of, you know, they had a lot of positive things to say about Vince's game. Rachel called him slimy, but will call them like a survivor and, you know, believe that he is kind of controlling Morgan, that she's playing her game for him. Depending on what happens this week, I cannot wait for that jury segment to see how they respond to everything that's gone down.
- [68:25]
A
Yeah. All right, well, that's what we have for you then today. Of course. I'll be back tomorrow morning. 11:00am Eastern update. And everything that happens today on The Big Brother 27 live feeds, including what Vince finally decides to do with his Renam. If Morgan uses the veto, if Vince, because there's a chance sense that she just uses it, right? Because if it comes down to the wire and he's convinced at the last minute by Lauren to not do it again, but then doesn't talk to Morgan beforehand, like she might just use it, and he has not once mentioned the notion of actually putting up Ashley, but who knows? That could still potentially be on the table and he might just, if she just uses it, just throw Lauren up anyway. So it really is like if he wants to not put up Lauren, he not only needs to be convinced to not put up Lauren by Lauren right before the ceremony, but he also needs to then convey that to Morgan and not be convinced back by Morgan in that moment before the veto ceremony.
- [69:30]
B
That's the thing, is that it's a constant cycle of you hang up. No, you hang up. Where he feels like he has to get the final word in and double check and make sure everyone's good with it, but neither party is going to be good with it. I did also, like earlier in the day when Morgan again, to really fortify this point was actually taking a page out of your book, Taryn, and reenacting the veto ceremony, right? Where she's like, I've decided to use the power of veto on Ms. Ava Pearl. And then she prompts Vince for his line and like a timid child in his first school play doesn't say anything. And she is just trying to. And he's trying to joke it up, be like, oh, and I vote to evict Kelly. Oh, wait, this is the wrong thing. But he is like again, maybe the first sign that she should have known that things are not locked in was when Vince, even in this fictional setting, could not say that I put Lauren on the block. So we'll see if he actually speaks those words today at the ceremony.
- [70:20]
A
Yeah, so stay tuned. We will also have the Roundtable stock watch podcast tonight rating these players and talking about all of these things and rating the the season and the feeds and everything. So stay tuned for that one. The survey will be out once the feeds come back from the veto ceremony and then a couple of days from now, we'll finally get to our next episode. Eventually you can find me streaming on YouTube, Twitch and Patreon. You can also check out my book behind the mirror@taranarmstrong.com. i also now have an audiobook available for pre order if you want to listen to the book. Mike, what do you got going on?
- [71:03]
B
Well, first off, Taryn, thank you so much for having me on as per usual, especially again, as you have have frankly lost your entire mind at this point. You know, the, the person you are at this moment, while also embodied so much by Vince's Persona, is something that gets us through even these wild moments where it feels like simultaneously so much is happening and nothing is happening at the same time. I know you're probably hopped up on some espresso at this point from being kept up by this nonsense as Vince. You know, his whims flow through the game like a feather. And those are all Sabrina Carpenter songs. So we shall see exactly what the final verse of this week is going to be. Ah, you know, I plug my usual stuff. Survivor preseason's going on. We've got some Big Brother Amazing Race stuff happening. Actually did a talk with Jessica Lees and Taylor Hale about why you should watch this season, particularly if you're a Big Brother fan who hasn't watched it in a long time. But I'll give a couple of other plugs right off the bat. Something I forgot to plug last week with all the podcasts I was doing was that Survivors play Blood on the Clock Tower. Taryn, I know you are a big fan of Blood on the Clock Tower. We've done a series over the past, you know, few months or so where a bunch of Survivor players get to do it. And if you love the messy chaos full of questionable decisions of the Big Brother 27 cast, you will want to check this one out. I got the pleasure of getting to swing into home, post on this one and just sit in the Catsburg seat in the Taryn Armstrong position and just watch all the madness unfold. To check that out over on the Rob has a podcast YouTube channel. The other thing is that the Emmys, as I mentioned at the beginning of this, were happening last night. And so I'm just gonna actually, right off, I get the line here, do a quick reality flash about what happened last night. You know, all the big major wins, the snubs or snuffs as they were. And I don't know if you saw this, Karen, perhaps a little bit of talk of Rachel Riley. She made her way into Emmy's discussion some way somehow. So if you want to find all that out, go check out thereality flash.com otherwise check out everything I'm doing, including my interview with the two people who are going home in this week's eviction at a Mike Bloom type.
- [73:12]
A
All right, well, thank you all so much for joining us then here today and I will see all of you next time.