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BB27 Roundtable Week 10
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Today, Taran, Melissa, and Mari Forth talk through week 10 of Big Brother 27.
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And welcome to the Big Brother 27 roundtable podcast. This is the podcast where we talk about everything from the feeds and we rate the players 1 to 10 based on how well we think they are doing in the game. There's also a survey I send out over on Twitter, Blue Sky. You can rate the players yourself, rate the week, rate the all kinds of things as well as favorite. And who's your least favorite with me as always, to talk it through. Melissa. How you doing, Melissa?
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I'm doing great. You know, we're still here, we're still talking. It's been a lot of talk this week. So, you know, I'm glad this week's almost over. I'll just say that.
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Yes. Well, also joining us to talk about the week, it's Mari. How you doing, Mari?
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Hello. Hello. I. I agree with Melissa. Lots of talking this week. Just talk, talk, talking. And I guess we're here to break down all of the talking for the chat. If they didn't have to stay up till 5am to listen to the, the chatting.
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So much of it.
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And it's like back and forth and back and forth. It's just like, no. No conclusion, no anything. Well, I guess there is a conclusion now, but it's like I just, it's like the whole time I'm like, you guys all see what's going on here. Like, no one's willing to admit what they actually want or what is actually going on here. It's like, but everyone should know what's happening here. Like, obviously Vince didn't want to use the veto on Lauren or didn't want her to use the veto nominate Lauren because Lauren is an ally to him. So why would he nominate his own ally? And it's like Morgan obviously wants him to prove himself that she's the number one ally because she just wants Lauren out. Like, it's not about like, oh, I just want you to prove yourself. It's literally just like Lauren is in the way of her and Vince working together. So get Lauren out. And then it's like Lauren doesn't want it because it's like very obvious what's happening here. And yet everyone's obfuscating what they're actually thinking and everyone's trying to like, dance around what's really happening instead of just being like, like, Vince just needs to be like, I'm not putting up an ally. Like, it doesn't matter whether or not she's number one. Number two, whatever, she's. She's not going to put me up on the block. So I'm just not going to do it, period. Like, I totally get that she's maybe not great for your game, but she's really great for my game. And I'm hoh and like, sorry, that's just.
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You're not even listening to me. It's really frustrating.
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It's so horrible because it's just, I.
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Feel like we've talked about this so much and you're not even listening. You're not even listening.
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And the one thing is that like, like Morgan, I will say that when Morgan then did, like, a cam talk, it was like, it made it seem like she actually did recognize what she was doing. Like, she didn't want to say it to him, but she knew what she was doing and she was intentionally doing it. So I did appreciate that.
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I, I, I don't know if it's like, fortitude or what it is that Vince is, like, legit, can just sit in these conversations for hours and hours. And when I tell you, I would have been like, girl, I'm not putting Lauren up. You use the veto. Ashley's going up. Do you want to stay up here or not? Like, the, like, point blank period. That's what it would have been. But again, that is if I was concentrating on winning $750,000 and being proclaimed the winner of Big Brother. Vince is not worried about that. He wants the hugs. He wants the leg cuddles. He wants the pillow barrier falling. And I just, I'm shook it. I'm shook it that this happened. When that veto meeting came back, I was like, stop it, stop it. He did not put Lauren on the block. Like, I, I can't believe I'm watching this.
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Genuinely. I, I mean, it's, and it's, I, I love too, that we can't even say, like, he wants to get some. He just wants the hugs. You know what I mean? Like, that's all he's getting. Like, he can occasionally touch her legs in bed. Like, that's what we're talking about here. And when he's talking to Lauren about, like, hey, can you please, please, please, please, please go on the block for me? He just needs to say, listen, I really need a wingman, okay? I really just need you to take.
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One for the team for me.
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I just really need this in my life.
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Okay?
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I feel like that honesty might have helped him, but it's just abs because, like, this would be wild behavior under normal circumstances.
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Yes.
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This be outrageous behavior if he just had a relationship. This is ludicrous, ridiculous, monumentally. Awfully. What are you doing behavior that he has a seven year long term relationship and he's doing all of this for some hugs. Like what are we talking about? It's so absurd. Like I continually can't believe what I'm watching with this man.
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Yes. But then I did see Morgan walk in with that blue dress on before the veto and I was like, oh, I get it. Okay. I see I, I see I, I get it. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. I I, I, I, I understand kind of like I, I kind of understand.
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So in case you haven't caught, Vince won the hoh after, after Lauren evicted Will and we saw that that he was going to nominate he was going to nominate Lauren. He ended up nominating Keanu Kelly and Ava. His target was Ava. That was his target. He really, he'd been planting, planting seeds against Ava for a couple of weeks now to get everyone on board to take a shot at Ava. It turns out Ava is the person that nobody wants out. The seeds did not work. There's literally not a single person in that house that wants Ava out other than him. And despite weeks of work trying to go in the other direction, he has not managed to to, to do an ounce, an inch in the direction of that that goal. Morgan won the veto and she put the pressure back on him after nearly nominating Lauren the first time that he needs to nominate her. Now this on the renom and the reason is let's be real. Because I said so. It's because I said so. And and he's like it's not fair. It doesn't what's the point? And because you've you chose her over me, this would be strike three and so on and so listen, I can't possibly condense this. You need to just listen to the updates and even that is, is, is not enough. But today the feeds went down for the veto ceremony and when they came back up, Morgan had taken Ava off the block and Vince replaced her with Lauren. He has nominated Lauren.
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He did it that so insane. I thought for sure there's no way this is happening. There is absolutely no way this is happening. I, I'm so shocked. It's so wrong. It's so not at all what he should be doing.
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I truly don't understand why he was not combating all of Morgan's arguments like her points with just like don't use a veto. You keep saying like oh, you want to keep the judges together, all of that. The three people who were on that block before they did the Renob none of Them were in the judges. I would have been like, she's saying, you're trying to protect Lauren over the judges. How does that look? I would have been like, you're trying to protect Ava over the judges. How would that look? Use her own false equivalency against her. But he. He thought of none of that. None of that came to his mind. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. And when he did that cam talk, what was that? Like two days ago, which is a lifetime ago, when he was like. He was like, I'm not gonna put my. My ally on the block. That's. Is she stupid? Like, why? Well, he didn't say that, but he was like, that. That's not good for my game. That's good for her game. I'm not going to do it, like, all big and bad to the camera, but cannot say that to Morgan's face. And then ends up folding and putting his. His number two. Number one. Who cares? A close ally on the block. And then on top of that, you let her take your main target off the block. Like, at the very least, I know that Keanu thing was kind of ridiculous, but putting. If you're gonna put Lauren up anyways, let her use it on Keanu. Put Lauren up with Kelly and Ava, and you have a better chance of getting out Kelly or Ava. But then again, he couldn't trust Keanu's vote, too. So, I mean, I don't know, man. It was just. This was just messy. This is just messy. How. Why couldn't he convince his number one ally not to use a veto on his hoh.
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It just. There was no need for the bws, especially if the whole argument is like, well, we're not actually going to vote her out. Like, why? Like, I don't see why you're nervous because we're not actually going to vote her out. So then why does any of this matter? The only reason why this would matter is if their intention was to vote Lauren out. Like, otherwise, it's like, okay, yeah, I guess. So Morgan can win favor with Ava, but, like, how does that benefit then?
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The reason it matters is because he needs to show Morgan that. That he's willing to choose her over Lauren.
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My God, you are just rehashing their exact argument. Obviously, that's what she's saying, and that's why it's important to her. But how is it important? Like, actually. And it's not.
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It's not important.
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Saying is that if we're not going to vote her out, then why does any of this matter?
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And, like, she replies, then within, we should vote her out.
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Well, yeah. And then it's like, okay, well, I'm definitely not putting her on the block. This is one person that I know for a fact is you're picking her over me.
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Melissa.
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Maybe, but I'm not putting you on the block, and I'm not putting her on the block. So.
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All right, I'll sleep downstairs.
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Okay. Please.
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That's where you mess up.
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That's.
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That's where.
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That is where the mess up happens. Well, it's a good thing we rehearsed this because. Yeah, you. If this ends up with her not in the bed with him, then obviously Vince has lost. Who cares about the game?
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And that's a.
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Sorry. It's just like. It's one of those things where there was, like, no logic involved and so nothing could have been said. It's just been. Should have pushed harder and just said to Morgan, look, this person's not going to put me on the block. I'm not going to do this. If you'd like to take a shot at Lauren, be my guest. Like, I. That's fine, but I'm not going to take a shot, like, against my own interest.
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Right. And she kept saying, well, you're picking her over me. I would have been like, no, I'm picking me over you.
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Yes, thank you. That's exactly what it is. Like, I'm not picking her over you.
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You what?
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Where am I in this equation? And it's like, yeah, but like, you're not thinking of me if I'm actually your number one. And it's like, okay, you're my number one, but I'm my number one one. Like, I'm the actual number one. Like you are. You are.
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I would never do that, though. I would never do that to you, Vince. I've always put your game. I could have kept Zach.
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That's the thing. That's the thing. It's like. And. And see, here's the thing. It. Seeing Morgan's camp talk made me believe that, like, the whole time I was getting frustrated, Morgan, because I was like, don't you see what's happening, Morgan? But then she did the cam talk, and now I'm kind of like, oh, she did see what was happening. Like, she wasn't just making these arguments because she actually believed them. She was just trying to get him to nominate her. And I'm like, okay, I like that. That's good. But the whole time I was frustrated with her until I. Until I saw that and was like, okay, she's a gamer. Remember, she's a gamer.
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Yeah. Everybody's like, morgan has bad reads. Morgan has bad reads. I mean, Morgan does sometimes have bad reads, but Morgan is just saying. Just saying things to.
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And it works. Thing is, like, it ended up working.
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Yeah, she's just saying things. She was trying to say anything and everything she could to convince him to get put Lauren on the block. And also one of the other main arguments. She needs to touch the block, because she can't go the whole season without touching the block. I would have been like, we got two weeks left. She can touch the block. You go ahead.
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You go ahead and have her touch the block on your hoh. Win hoh and put her on the block.
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Yeah, it's just. I mean, the whole situation is just so ridiculous. And. And it. And it leads us to be like, well, at least Lauren is saying no, but she's not talking to Morgan. The person that she's being told is pushing for her to go on the block. She's not going to Morgan and saying, hey, what if you. I don't know. Didn't use the veto. What if we make some kind. Instead of saying to Vince, can't we just make a deal with Morgan? Can't just make a deal. Can't we just make a final four? I don't know. She could have said a single word to Morgan at any point, maybe made her feel at all like she was. You know, because here. Because here's the thing. There's some precedent for this. There's a woman in the house named Ashley who once upon a time was the Lauren of this situation. Morgan would go to Zach, and you talk to her all the time, Zach. You talk to her all the time. You talk to her all the times. Who is it? You talk to her all the time, Zach. You know exactly who I'm talking about. And then you know what Ashley did? She went and talked to Lord to. To Morgan and is now using the hell out of her in the game to advance her own position.
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Mm. Yeah, that's the thing is, like, I saw, like, a blue sky thing about this earlier. I don't know what we're calling those. I keep trying calling them tweets, but they're not. But I forgot who posted it. But somebody said, like, if this were any other season, we would have had Lauren and Morgan get together, have a conversation, realize that Vince was playing them both, and then they'd be like, we need to work together and get Vince out. Like, that's exactly what we would love to see. And I absolutely would love to see Lauren and Morgan talk and, you know, crush the beef for at least now. But Lauren didn't even talk with Morgan. So it's like, I guess I'm glad that Lauren was fighting back, but the only fighting she did was with Vince when she should have been like, okay, the reason why Vince wants to put me on the block is because Morgan is telling me, telling him to do so. So I need to talk to Morgan. And obviously every time Vince goes to talk to Morgan, he comes back to me fully renewed in this idea of like, yeah, I'm going to put Lauren on the block and I have to try and talk him down. Let me just cut out the middleman and I'll go straight to Morgan and try and hash this out. Like, there was no conversation. And obviously Morgan's going to feel some certain way about that. She's going to be like, okay, she doesn't even want to talk to me. Obviously she doesn't want to work with me. Like, there's nothing between Lauren and I. It's obviously just Vince, so.
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Well, Melissa, you're not taking into consideration that Lauren is scared of Morgan and that Lauren doesn't want to lie, so she probably doesn't want to make false promises of not coming after Morgan. Lauren, please, please step to the front to receive your. Your. Your lashings. Because, girl, what I know, like, not only does she not fight for Morgan to not use that veto, but after the veto ceremony when she's up in Vince's bedroom and Vince is doing his whole, Please don't be mad at me, Taryn, if you can you take it away? Yeah, I need. I need the. Please don't be mad at me. Please, please don't say that I can never be mad at you, Vince. I just said that because I know when Morgan says that it works, but I would never. I would never turn my back on you. What? What? And this is why he keeps doing it. Lauren, stand up once for me, once for me. Twice. It's. It's going on four times. This is at least time for that. Vince has screwed her. Still calling him her number one to.
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Maybe give her a tiny bit of credit, which I really don't want to do because I do not trust it. She is now telling Kelly and she told Ava I have to pretend with him because she needs to stay this week. And she's relying on his vote not only to stay herself, but to keep Kelly around. She's hoping that she can leverage this to Keep Kelly over Keanu. And she says she's very frustrated with his position at this point and the fact that he's not listening and, and that she feels like she can't even be mad because she, she does. She has, she's still relying on him as the HOH right now and I.
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Saw that and I, and until she puts him on the block, she votes against him. I will not believe it. I am sorry. Like I, I, I completely get that and I understand and I think it was all finally catching up to her when she was, she was like venting her frustrations and as it should because again, this is a person that you used the veto on him. It didn't set off a chain reaction where then your alliance, the people you trusted the most got dec it. And you have had this, this final two since week one. Week two. And you are now on the block because of another person relentlessly in your quote unquote number one's ear to put you up. Like I, I, I think that Lauren is really, it's going to take her a minute to sit with that and I hope she, you know, realizes that Vince is not a necessary ally for her. But she, she was also saying that she heard her boot order would be Keanu, Morgan and Ashley. So she's still planning on taking Vince to at least the final four with her, Kelly and Ava, which again, I don't even think he should get that far. I understand you do have to take take a shot at Keanu if he doesn't go this this week. I understand you got to take a shot at Morgan. But Ashley, you don't think you should take Ashley to the final four with y'. All. That would be, that would be better than taking Vince. So Lauren needs her whack, her whacking. She will get whacked during the, the scoring. But I just, the gameplay all around this week has just been ridiculous. It has been abysmal. Except for Ashley, the bright spot of the week. And, and Morgan is like Morgan is good too. Like Morgan is gaming. Problem with Morgan's gaming is it shouldn't work. I'm like, what? Like why are you getting your way? Like it doesn't make sense that you're getting your way which is a good thing for her. Like her, her gaming. But it's just like I, I am still shocked that he did this. Like it's stupid. I cannot wait till we get that jury segment of Rachel and Will and whoever gets sent out, maybe Laurie herself. If Lauren is the one that is delivering the tape of how Lauren went out on a Vince Hoh. We will get another wait a damn minute moment. I guarantee you that. Because why are you sitting here on a Vince Hoh?
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Yeah. That's all. That's all you have to say about that, really? I guess. Oh, man, it's just so bad. Like, I guess my question is, why was Morgan so interested in taking Ava off the block instead of, like, Keanu? Like, instead of trying to. I know she was talking with Keanu earlier about, like, hey, maybe we should work together, and why not take Keanu off the block? Like, I get she was trying to buy favor with Ava, but wouldn't it be more useful for her to, like, buy favor with Keanu, like, someone who is actually, like, a competitor and whatever? Like, Ava has her own people. Why does that. I don't know. She.
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She doesn't see Ava as, like, having her own people. She thinks that she still has Ava, and this is in part because of Ashley's influence, in part because Ava is trying to trick her into it. Ashley, through all of this, in my opinion, is working to try to scoop Ava and. And is making some progress. Not that Ava's like, that scoopable, because for as much as Ava is all about, like, you know, being loyal to her people, she's really either. But. But Ashley's re. Like, you have to understand how much Ashley is shaping Morgan's world view, because all of Morgan's information comes from Ashley. Because, Ash, all Morgan does is talk to Vince. And so all of her information about anybody else in the house comes from Ashley. And Ashley wants Ava safe. Ashley is telling Morgan, Ashley's with us. Don't worry. She's telling me things. And. And so Morgan really wants to do that. She did consider the idea of keeping Keanu around, but Ashley immediately started working in the other direction. Ava talked to. To Morgan and said, you don't want to give Keanu that. You don't want to let him say that he got you to use the veto on him. And so she backed off of that. And. And there is. You know, that would have been a harder sell for. For Vince because using the veto on Keanu almost guarantees that you have no control over keeping Lauren if she stays on the block. Whereas in the current situation, if Keanu comes off the block, then they could put three votes on Lauren with Keanu. But if, say, Kelly wins the blockbuster and it's Lauren and Keanu, he can still break A forced tie to keep Lauren. Whereas, you know, if. If Keanu was definitely off the block, then it was just. It was just a done deal.
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Regardless, what are the odds that they decide to let Lauren go this week?
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It's a very good question.
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Because, like, Morgan's cam talk made it seem like she was like, I mean, if something happens, then, oh, well, or whatever. Like, it made it seem like she wasn't opposed to the idea of Lauren going. Like, maybe wasn't going to try and orchestrate it herself, but, like, depending on who wins the blockbuster.
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Both Morgan and Ashley were so hesitant in their promises to Vince about keeping Lauren. Right now, I do not think Morgan intends to orchestrate anything to get rid of Lauren. But it's only Monday, and if Lauren does anything, if she looks at her the wrong way, if she spends too much time with Vince, if she catches Lauren trying to save Kelly, there are all kinds of ways that this could change. The problem for her and Ashley, if they want to make that happen now, is that if they do want to take out Lauren, as I outlined, it, would require Keanu winning the blockbuster. And so they would have to come up with a plan that involved Keanu in the event that he wins the blockbuster, that he did not then sort of, I guess, like, spill to Vince and. Or convince Vince to do it. And, you know, who knows what kind of outcome that may have? So it would not surprise me, I guess, is the answer if there was a movement in that direction, if the topic was broached.
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Because, I mean, don't you think that Keanu might actually, like, if it comes down to Lauren versus Kelly and the votes, like, don't you think Keanu might be like, I want to keep Kelly. Like, I'm on board with this idea of Keanu right now.
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Lauren is the target.
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So then why, like, I guess, like, it would involve Keanu, but couldn't you just, like, right at the end when everyone's scrambling? Well, whenever they're supposed to be scrambling, like, just be like, now's our opportunity. Let's just. Let's take the shot or whatever, rather than giving Keanu the chance to chat about it with Vince and whatever, like, and then just, like, do it and ask for. Ask forgiveness from Vince later.
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That's what you could do. But Morgan's not going to do that. Morgan's going to take the next three days to browbeat Vince into being okay for her to vote Lauren out. Like, that's. That's what's gonna happen. And I am just. I am gonna say It Lauren for blockbuster. Because I need Kelly gone. Like, I absolutely want Kelly out of the house.
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If Lauren Blockbuster, though, when they take the shot at Keanu.
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No, no. The current plan is to take out Kelly, but. And this is. This is Vince for you. He has immediately promised because. Because basically, here's. Here's what happened. Vince, in trying to get Lauren to be okay with going on the block, has been telling her Morgan is desperate to take out Keanu. That's why you need to go up. So you beat Keanu in the blockbuster. She wants him gone so bad. And that has been her one bit of solace in all of this, that there's a chance that as long as her or Kelly win the blockbuster, they will vote out Keanu and her numbers will stay intact. However, that is not the real plan. Morgan has always wanted Kelly gone. Vince is lying about it. And Morgan expects that in a tie vote between Kelly and Keanu, where Ava and Lauren vote to keep Kelly and Morgan and Ashley vote to keep Keanu, that Vince will break the tie to evict Kelly. And that has been the plan, but he's lying to Lauren about it. So Lauren comes up after being nominated and says, you know what? There's one thing that can keep things good, and that is making sure that Keanu leaves this week. And he swears to her, I will make sure that Keanu leaves, and I will. I will break a tie and evict Keanu. And in the middle of this conversation, remember, because he's saying, that's what Morgan. That's what's going to happen. In the middle of this conversation, Morgan walks in and starts talking to them about how Kelly's always been her target, and she really wants Kelly to go. And Vince, having just promised Lauren, is like, yep, yep. So, Lauren, are you okay with that? Are you okay with Kelly leaving? Are you okay with me breaking that tie? And Lauren's like, I. I guess so. And they talk about that for, like, 30 minutes. Morgan leaves. As soon as Morgan leaves, Lauren's like, okay, so this is perfect. You break the tie to evict Keanu. Right? She doesn't know that you're gonna do that, but you're gonna break the tide to evict Keanu, right? And he says, of course. I'm so frustrated with the way that the things that she put me through this week, that's my way to take back my hoh. I'll do it. Of course I'll do it, Lauren. And so he has immediately put himself back into the position of promising Them both. It's so ridiculous. This man.
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He loves it.
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At the moment.
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He's going to disappoint someone. What happens if Kelly wins the blockbuster and it's Keanu versus Lauren?
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B
That should be Keanu leaving, period. Even Morgan, even if it comes down to a tie, Ashley and Morgan voting to evict. I'm sorry, did you say Kelly and you said Lauren and Keanu?
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C
Lauren and Keanu.
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A
Lauren versus Keanu.
- [32:53]
B
Even if. Even if Morgan and Ashley voted out Lauren. Kelly and Ashley. Kelly and Ava would vote out Keanu and Vince. Unless he gets brow beaten into it. Votes to evictive breaks the tie to evict Keanu in Lauren's days.
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A
My God, Morgan will be furious. Okay. All right. Well, fun, fun, fun, fun.
- [33:17]
C
I. I want to see. I want to see Vince break a tie, and I want him to evict Kelly.
- [33:24]
A
Yeah.
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C
If. If Lauren wins a blockbuster, it comes to a tie and. And Vince evicts Kelly, that will be the greatest week for me ever, because Vince would have screwed Lauren over twice in one week. Put number five on that chalkboard and.
- [33:48]
A
Then, like, please let Lauren do something.
- [33:51]
C
And she's still there. And then it's a double. Oh, my God. Kelly's gone. Vince's has burned. He's in trouble again. Morgan gets her wish. Ashley is safe. Keanu's there. Oh, my God. Yes.
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A
I.
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C
This is what I want. Manifest. Manifest.
- [34:11]
A
I know. I don't want Keanu to leave this week, honestly, so I don't.
- [34:15]
C
I don't either. He. Honestly, he would be a. He would be a very bad winner, but, my God, he is very entertaining. I will give him that. Like, if you're gonna be this bad strategically, at least entertain me. And. And at least he's like, he's. Yeah, he's doing something for me. He is. He's such a. He's such a himbo that absolutely does not understand a single thing that's going on in big Brother. Very misguided, but he.
- [34:44]
A
He.
- [34:45]
C
He can stay for now.
- [34:48]
A
Very funny. Like, one liners. Like, I really. I enjoy watching Keanu on the feeds. Like, I always want to. Like, I. There's. Every season, I find myself, like, more, like, gravitating towards specific people on the feeds, and Keanu is one of them. Like, if I'm seeing him on a cam, I'm like, oh, I want to see what he's doing. I mean, unless they're, like, playing chess, then it's really boring. But, like, generally, when he's, like, talking strategy or whatever, like, I find it very interesting. I mean, it's not like, good necessarily. It's not always right. But I do appreciate, like, the conviction that he speaks. And he does have some very funny one liners. Yeah. Like in the chat, they just. Daniel just talked about when he called, said Lauren's succubus magic or whatever. It was so funny. Like, he is very funny.
- [35:33]
C
I mean, very funny.
- [35:34]
B
That one was. I was like, of course. Of course he's calling Lauren a succubus because nothing can ever be a man's fault. It has to be that a woman is okay.
- [35:46]
A
But it was. No, I agree, I agree. Keanu's got his own things. But I did think that line was very funny.
- [35:56]
B
Anyway, we have some survey results to talk about. Yes. Let's. Let's first talk through some of the ratings. Let's, let's. Let's get some of those up here. So let me pull this up. This is. These are the player ratings, but what I want is the episode ratings. Last week we had some episode ratings. The episode ratings with 3.4 last week ask the audience to rate the episodes of the show. 3.4 was the lowest in the history of asking for these ratings since Big Brother 21. So let's see if. If it's any better this week. This week, the audience gave the episodes a 3.7. So not much better.
- [37:04]
C
Right. I was about to say. So this would include like the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday episode for last week. Basically.
- [37:12]
B
Yeah. This includes the. The Kude hamster wheel.
- [37:17]
C
Right? Oh, my God. And So the, the 3.4 didn't even include the hamster wheel. Okay. Yeah, that's about right. That tracks.
- [37:25]
B
Yeah. So then we have. Sorry, I'm a little disorganized because I'm trying to get the favorite player chart working. If I can, we'll use it. If not, we'll have to not use it. But. But I'm trying. We also have the Feeds rating. Last week it was the lowest in the history of the ratings for any week, and it was a 1.6 for the feeds. This week, the audience gave the feeds a 5.9. Huge rebound.
- [38:09]
C
Yeah. Vorgan is carrying. If that's something you want to. People are saying if you want to stay up just to see a hand hold. Sure, sure. Yeah.
- [38:21]
A
You don't. You don't want to see a handle? You don't want to stay up super late to see a handle.
- [38:25]
C
No, I'm good.
- [38:27]
B
I mean, like, historically, this season has been outperforming in these later weeks, all of the other seasons, except for last week, which was one of the worst ratings in the history of the entire ratings.
- [38:39]
A
I mean, nothing was happening last week. At least there's something this week.
- [38:43]
B
This week it's back on top. I mean, this is not the highest, but it is one of the highest, you know, ratings for this for like this week in the feeds typically makes.
- [38:57]
A
Sense because I think it's like a lot of the times by this point in the game, it's like a solid alliance and like maybe a couple stragglers on the outside and the solid alliance is just like, yeah, we're just gonna pick everyone off one by one. And so it's like, like there's not much to talk about with strategy and it's kind of boring. It get like tapers down at the end. And now this here, this season, we don't have a solid alliance. Everyone's doing their own little weird thing. And so there's. It's not so set in stone what's going to happen every week. And so anything could happen on any given week depending on, like, who wins hoh and who gets in Vince's ear or whatever. And so I feel like that does make it more interesting at least than like a normal season.
- [39:38]
C
Yeah, yeah. And. And like the telenovela of it all, the soap of it all, I choose you every time. Like Vince. What? Oh.
- [39:50]
B
I mean, it's, it's, it's. I can't express how ridiculous it's been. So, you know, if you enjoy that. Yeah. All right, then we have the season as a whole. How is the audience feeling about the season as a whole? Last week, this rating tanked from a 6.7 to a 2.7 again, the lowest in the history of the ratings. Can it recover from that? That is the question. This week, the season as a whole. Hold on, Pause in the proceed.
- [40:42]
A
He walked over here. I had to. I had to pick him up. Look, Alan there.
- [40:45]
C
He wants to. He wants to know the season as a whole.
- [40:51]
A
What do you think? What's your rating of the season? Yeah, that's a microphone. Yeah.
- [40:58]
C
You want it?
- [40:59]
A
Yeah, yeah. Did you hear that? He said, yeah, yeah. He says, yeah. Now.
- [41:04]
B
Some teeth.
- [41:05]
A
Yes. He has two bottom teeth and four top teeth.
- [41:09]
B
Wow.
- [41:10]
C
Yeah.
- [41:12]
A
Yeah. That's the microphone. You can't really grab it here. Say something.
- [41:18]
C
Oh, wow, that was good. That was really good.
- [41:25]
A
Okay, well, next time when you can say another word, you can say more.
- [41:28]
C
Yeah. So cute.
- [41:32]
A
Sorry for the interruption.
- [41:35]
B
No worries, no worries. Always happy for a. For a baby. Interruption.
- [41:42]
A
Yeah. And now we get to the important thing. What is the rating?
- [41:45]
B
The season as a whole was given a 4.4.
- [41:52]
C
Yeah.
- [41:53]
B
So a bit of a recovery, but still not great. Still the second to worse. The only season worse than this one was Big Brother 22 at this point, so it has jumped Big Brother 22.
- [42:09]
A
Okay. I mean, I guess.
- [42:11]
C
Yeah. Yikes. That. That sounds about right. Because it's. It's just. You can't recover from. From losing Rachel. Then we lose Will, too. Pop Pop. We lost Pop Pop. And so it's just kind of like. Like you said, Taryn, who are we all really rooting for? You know, I. I don't know what craziness I would have to see at the end of this season to not rank it in, like, the bottom 10 overall. Bottom five? I wouldn't say bottom five, because for that, that's, you know, there's. There's five seasons that are there, like, stuck there. And I. I don't even think this season dislodges one of those, but. Yeah.
- [42:56]
B
All right. Well, then, of course, we have the HOH ratings, historically. This is the week MacKenzie had her HOA train, so that's fun. Hers is the worst in the history of the HOH ratings. Lauren last week got a 3, which was not the lowest rating of the season. That would go to Mickey back in week four. But this week, of course, we have Vince's HOA train. But I went back and I asked, retrospectively rate Lauren's HOH week from last week, and the audience has moved down on that HOH week. They think now it's a 2.4.
- [43:47]
C
Yeah.
- [43:48]
B
Even worse in retrospect, considering that she pissed off Keanu in order to keep Vinnie safe off the block and then found herself on the block from Vinnie.
- [44:02]
C
Dang. Not great when you say it like that. That's not good.
- [44:07]
B
Not great. Yeah. I then asked the audience to rate Vince's HOA train this week. The audience gave him a 2.
- [44:22]
C
Yeah.
- [44:22]
B
Out of 10, which is actually tied with Mickey's HOH and just above Mackenzie's from last season.
- [44:30]
A
Yeah. This is real bad.
- [44:32]
C
And this is very, very reminiscent of McKenzie's. This is bad. If Lauren ends up going home year, that's going need to come down.
- [44:45]
B
Oh, certainly. And here's what makes it worse. He's referencing Mackenzie as to why he shouldn't be doing this and still did it.
- [44:56]
C
Still did it. Yep. That's. That's what I'm saying. Like, he. And he knows, like, again, what do you think that jury is gonna think? When they hear about your HOH and this is the thing that you did for the hoh, they only see the. The. The ceremonies. But that is crazy. Like, I would be sitting there, like, I don't understand how we got from here to here. And then on top of that, the person who brings that tape in has to explain it. And again, if that person is Lauren, I am going to need a lot of backstory. I'm going to need a lot.
- [45:36]
A
This is not at all, like, an impressive jury move. I just don't understand where he's coming from that he thinks that this is a good idea at all, especially to people who don't understand the context of it, who are sitting in the jury house, like, how is this going to come across? And, like, the thing that he's way more wrapped up in is like, oh, is Morgan going to be mad at me? Instead of thinking, okay, what am I doing for the game? I just. It's just so bad, and it's not worth it because I don't believe that Morgan, if he didn't make this move, if he explained to her, like, look, Lauren's not going to put me up. I cannot put up someone who's not going to target me. I just can't do it. My. Like, this is about the game, and then Morgan gets mad or whatever. It's like, who is she gonna go to? Like, Vince is supposedly her number one or whatever. So, like, okay, so then she just. You think she's just gonna, like, put you up or something? No, I don't think she'd put you up. I think she'd be maybe mad or upset or be like, oh, I guess you like Lauren more than me or whatever. But, like, she's not gonna put you on the block. Like, it.
- [46:45]
C
She's.
- [46:45]
A
I mean, I believe she's smarter than that. I just feel like it's like, there's no benefit to this. I just don't understand. No, I don't know. Especially because it's like Lauren was saying, you lose me if you do this. Apparently, he didn't care about that. So I don't know.
- [47:02]
B
Yeah, so that's the HOH reigns. We do have a couple of others. A couple of other questions. I asked the audience to rate production on how well they're handling the show. I did that last week, and they got. Production got a 1.2 this week. People have calmed down. They're not so reactive, so they were a bit more fair. They gave production a 1.7.
- [47:35]
A
Generous. That's so nice.
- [47:36]
C
Look, at us. Benevolence of our audience.
- [47:44]
B
I asked the audience, did Vince choose the correct replacement nominee?
- [47:50]
A
No.
- [47:51]
C
No.
- [47:51]
B
The results may surprise you here. 73% said no. 27% said yes.
- [48:02]
A
I'm sure they just want, like, Lauren to go or something. I don't think it's because they actually think it's best for Vince. There's no way.
- [48:09]
B
Yeah, listen, I think that they're not answering the question in the spirit of the question being asked. I could be more specific in the question. I could, but it's annoying to write that out of it for. For his game. Is it, though?
- [48:26]
A
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, the. Yeah. That.
- [48:29]
B
You know what I'm asking.
- [48:30]
A
We're asking if it's best for his game. Not. And then we like the move for ourselves.
- [48:40]
C
No, Renam. No, Renam, do not use the veto. Number one, please. I do not want to have to put somebody else up and risk my jury. How hard is that? How hard is that?
- [48:55]
B
Be more specific in your question.
- [48:56]
C
Why?
- [48:59]
B
I don't want to. Who do you want to be evicted this week? Who do you want to be evicted this week? I can tell you. Six percent say Keanu.
- [49:13]
C
Yeah.
- [49:15]
B
It's very close between Kelly and Lauren.
- [49:21]
C
Why? Why?
- [49:26]
B
No, don't say that.
- [49:28]
C
Kelly.
- [49:33]
B
42% want Lauren out. 51 want Kelly out.
- [49:41]
C
Oh, y' all are just tired of seeing Lauren on the feeds. What is up with that? I, I, I, I honestly don't mind Lauren still staying in the house. Like, she's, she is. She's annoying. I like, I like her in the house. She doesn't offend me.
- [50:00]
A
Yeah.
- [50:00]
B
I feel like behind Lauren until she proves to me that she's actually capable of doing anything that doesn't have a go ahead from Vince.
- [50:12]
C
I agree.
- [50:13]
A
I feel like I, I want Kelly to go, but at the same time, I think it would be very satisfying to have Lauren go out on Vince's hoh and, like, really prove to him that, like, you made the wrong choice. Because I feel like Vince keeps making bad choices, but then, like, miraculously being fine, and I feel like he hasn't gotten his comeuppance yet. And so I'm kind of hoping for that.
- [50:36]
B
I have, in this pains me to say, I have more faith that Kelly will take out Vince than Lauren.
- [50:44]
A
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [50:45]
B
And I think Kelly taking out Vince would be extremely funny.
- [50:52]
C
But then who takes out Kelly?
- [50:54]
B
It doesn't matter. She doesn't. She gets no votes.
- [50:58]
C
I know she doesn't. I know. But, like, I don't even want her to sit in the final two chairs. Like y' all do not understand.
- [51:09]
B
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- [52:44]
C
Yay.
- [52:45]
B
The current status is that Ashley is number one, Will is number two, was number two, Keanu number three, Morgan number four, Vince number five, Ava number six, and Kelly was number seven. Am I missing someone? Oh, Lauren. I knew I screwed something up.
- [53:07]
A
I was like, wait a second.
- [53:09]
B
I told it's not working properly. Let me see if I can instantly fix this or if that breaks the entire thing again. Let's undo Kelly. Ava.
- [53:23]
A
I feel like I'm tempted to say that the order stays the same. Just remove Will. Like, I mean, I don't know where Lauren sat in this order last week, but Lauren, Vince.
- [53:33]
B
Ava, Kelly.
- [53:37]
A
I guess Lauren got evicted.
- [53:40]
B
There it is. Okay, and then this week, takeaway. Will, what do you think the order is? Who is at the top?
- [53:49]
A
I feel like it stays the same still.
- [53:52]
C
Ashley.
- [53:52]
A
I feel like it stays exactly the same. I'm tempted to say, you think Ashley number one?
- [54:00]
C
Yeah, actually number one. I think Morgan goes up to two.
- [54:03]
B
Though his number one.
- [54:05]
A
I think Keanu stays at two. Or maybe, maybe Morgan.
- [54:11]
B
I. I think I'm gonna need a decision.
- [54:14]
C
Oh, I'm gonna vote for Morgan.
- [54:16]
A
All right, then I'll vote for Keanu just to keep it different.
- [54:20]
B
Mari is correct.
- [54:23]
A
Wow.
- [54:23]
B
Morgan has jumped Morgan to number two at work.
- [54:28]
A
Yeah, she did.
- [54:29]
B
Can't believe I'm your number two audience. I can't believe it.
- [54:34]
A
And then I think. I think it's Then Keanu.
- [54:37]
C
Yeah, definitely Keanu. Next.
- [54:39]
B
Then it is Keanu.
- [54:40]
A
Then I think it's Lauren.
- [54:49]
C
Oh, God. I think you're right. The. The options are slim.
- [54:52]
A
Yes.
- [54:53]
B
Like, I think, Mari, you have a chance. You have a chance to be the first person to have a perfect record on this. Granted, it gets easier every week, but still, make sure you choose wisely.
- [55:05]
C
Okay? Okay. Okay. Ashley, Morgan. Keanu. It says Lauren, Vince, Kelly, and Ava. Oh, God. And Ava's been tanking, I think. Oh, okay. Vince. I'm gonna go with Vince. Vince is annoying, but I think there's still that contingent that, like, Vince. So I'm gonna go.
- [55:36]
B
Vince, you talked yourself out of it.
- [55:38]
C
It was Lauren because you. You know. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It is. I just don't know, man. Like, it is so hard. We. We dislike a lot of these people.
- [55:55]
A
Yeah. I think next is Vince, though.
- [55:58]
B
Yeah, you're both wrong. It is not Vince.
- [56:03]
C
Oh, y'.
- [56:03]
A
All.
- [56:04]
C
Oh, y' all are. Y' all are funny. It better not be Kelly.
- [56:10]
B
Oh, what's the prediction, Mari?
- [56:18]
A
It's got to be Ava, but I don't. I don't know why, but I guess. Yeah. Okay.
- [56:24]
C
Vince, like, what? Like, how is it?
- [56:28]
B
Unfortunately, Mari, Vince is still incorrect. It is, in fact. Ava.
- [56:32]
C
Ava. How did she go up, y'? All? She's been even worse this week. Okay.
- [56:40]
A
Yeah. I think people are just upset about probably. Yeah, it's got to be Vince and Kelly.
- [56:46]
C
We hate this. So funny.
- [56:52]
B
And then Kelly. That is the order.
- [56:59]
C
Wow.
- [57:00]
B
Ashley, number one. Morgan. Keanu. Lauren. Ava. Vince, Kelly. So this is interesting. Nobody dropped this week in terms of actual numerical positioning.
- [57:15]
A
Oh. Oh.
- [57:15]
C
Oh.
- [57:17]
B
Ashley stayed number one. Morgan moved up two places from fourth to second. Keanu stayed in third place. Lauren moved up from. From fifth to fourth. Ava moved up from seventh to fifth. Vince stayed the same at sixth, but that means that he ended up dropping in in terms of, like, the overall positioning because there's fewer people. And Kelly stayed the same at seventh, so weirdly, nobody ended up actually moving down on the list.
- [57:54]
A
Okay.
- [57:57]
C
Wow. That's what happens when you take out Pop Pop, who was at the top.
- [58:01]
B
Well, but, yes, overall, you can see that, like, it's based on percentage rather than, like, actual placement. So you can see that by staying the same, Keanu and Vince have actually gone down in the same way that Kelly is theoretically also stayed. Stayed at the bottom, I guess. So there it is. Ashley now the most consistent player she is maintaining in the first place. And that is. I'm so happy I finally managed to make that work.
- [58:34]
C
Yay. Yes. We appreciate it, Darren.
- [58:38]
B
All right, should we now talk about the player ratings?
- [58:48]
A
Yes.
- [58:49]
C
Nothing to it, but to do it.
- [58:51]
B
All right. This is the portion of the podcast where we rate the players from 1 to 10 based on how well we think they are doing in the game and then their stock Prices and on realitystockwatch.com are updated accordingly. And last week, I believe, I think either nobody made money or somebody only made a tiny, tiny bit. I'm not entirely sure. But it was a disaster for anybody holding shares. You can see there, it's just a red minefield.
- [59:25]
A
It's so bad. It's so bad.
- [59:28]
B
And it's in part because, like, all of the people doing well were immensely harmed by Rachel leaving, and all of the people doing terribly benefited but continued to do terribly. Everyone just was in such a bad place. However, this week, things might be different. So let's start with Ashley, who last week averaged at a 4. She was on the block, and at the time that we were talking about it, she was the most likely person to be voted out in the event that Keanu won the blockbuster. However, she managed to turn that around and has significantly improved her positioning this week as well. The fact that she completely avoided the block on Vince's hoh when she absolutely should not have is a testament to the amount of work she has put in with Morgan. She continues to develop her secret dish relationship with Keanu. She has now made a new Final 2 with Ava, and she's doing her best to maintain some kind of working relationship with Lauren. But despite all of this, she is still getting in trouble here and there, primarily with Vince. She's. She keeps, like, getting caught, you know, saying things that pisses me off. She doesn't deserve to be here. And so it's not like she's in a phenomenal position necessarily, but it's so very clear to anybody watching the feeds that Ashley is on another level, which is not hard to do. For the record, I'm not saying she's, like, all of a sudden some phenomenal strategist by any means, but she is clearly on another level compared to her surroundings. She is the only person actively reading situations correctly and making correct moves, and that is the very low bar that we are having to clear at this point. So I like a lot of what she's doing. My genuinely, my biggest concern for Ashley comes from the exit interviews from Will and from Rachel, who have both just very kindly trashed her game and implied that they might, like, vote elsewhere or. Or, you know, whatever. I. Exit interviews are not always indicative of where somebody might actually vote. We know that Will likes Ashley a lot. We know that Rachel likes Ashley a lot. And if she gives them a reason to come around on her game, I think there's a very good chance that they will. But, you know, the fact that she has difficulty at all does make her game a lot harder. The fact that she also is not winning competitions makes her game a lot harder. And so that's the. That's the key. If. If she were, like, good at competitions or had proven at least that she was good at competitions or was a guaranteed win, if she got to the final two, I would be willing to say, like, phenomenal position. Like, this is. This is our clear winner pick. Those two things really hold her back, but they are things that can still be overcome. So overall, I think that this week has just gone so well for her. And I'm including the vote flip she managed last week. I'm gonna go first. Actual good rating in, like, three weeks, I'm giving Ashley a seven.
- [63:37]
A
Nice. Nice. Yeah. I was very surprised when Will said he would vote. He wants Ava to win. Like, I thought for sure he would say Ashley.
- [63:47]
C
Yeah, it was.
- [63:48]
B
It was always so hard to read Will between the two of them, like, who he actually seemed to value more. He completely left her out of. No, here's the thing, because a lot of people give Will credit for creating the judges, but Ashley was right there. Like, it was the two of them doing it, and they literally split up. Ashley went and talked to, like, Morgan, and Will went and talked to whoever he talked to. I forget. I think he talked to Vinnie, and they. They, like, created this alliance together. Very much so. And so it's possible he would have wanted aver. Or maybe he just changed his mind, or maybe he just thinks that Ashley can't make it there and that Ava. Will. There's all kinds of reasons why he might have said that. It's definitely concerning if you would much prefer Ashley to win than Ava. But it's. It's just so hard to read. And there's so much time that they spend in the jury house as well, like, just ruminating and thinking. And so, you know. Yeah.
- [64:53]
C
I also wonder if he thought Ava was, like, A fan favorite.
- [64:56]
A
That's what. Yeah, I was wondering that too. It's like, because everybody inside the house seems to think that Ava is, like, a fan favorite. And so I bet it was like, everyone loves Ava. I would love for her to win. Of course.
- [65:08]
B
I will say it was very awkward on stage when he said he was rooting for Ava. Everyone complete silence, which they're supposed to do. If they cheered, that would be bad. But it was awkward. Like, you could tell he was expecting an applause and there was none.
- [65:24]
A
Yeah, I noticed that too. I was like, okay. Yeah. So, yeah, I think Ashley is doing a great job. I honestly thought. I thought for sure she was going to go on the block if the veto got used. I thought it was going to be like, well, you can use the veto if you want, but I'm not putting Lauren up. Especially as Vince literally had a cam top where he was like, there is no way I'm putting Lauren on the block. Morgan wants me to put her up. There's no way I'm doing that. I can't believe she thinks I'm gonna do it and then he does it. I thought for sure it was going to be Ashton on the block. I mean, that seems to be like an easy out for him to just. I know the judges. The judges, whatever. But no, I don't know. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So, yeah, the fact that Ashley and Morgan were able to pull this off and the fact that I feel like Ashley's got really good relationships with people, maybe they're not, you know, number one or whatever, but it doesn't seem like anybody really desperately wants Ashley out of the house right now, which I feel like is the best we can get at this point in time. So, yeah, I feel like Ashley's doing really well. I want to give her a seven as well.
- [66:32]
C
Yeah. What Ashley does best is the very underrated skill and big brother of, oh, you hear somebody is talking bad about you and doesn't feel comfortable with you. She goes to that person, talks to them and makes them feel comfortable.
- [66:50]
B
That's how you play big brother.
- [66:53]
C
Shocker. She doesn't let it fester. She doesn't let it linger. She wants to actually talk it out. You know what I'm saying? Like, she wants to. To make sure that, you know, you want. You don't want to put me up. We're good. I would never put you up. Like, that work that she did. I know we're talking about this week, but that work that she did on Lauren's first hoh to not get on the block and what we we initially saw and her, you know, she got help from everybody else is now paying off. In this later week where she is, she's doing the same. Last week I thought she was a goner. I thought once she hit that block it was a done deal, she was gonna be gone. But the way that she worked to get back and to stay was amazing this week. Like, like she, she just recognized that she had to be on Morgan's good side. Morgan pulls vintage strings. Vince pulls Lauren strings and that's all that she needed to do this week. And she has done a great job of getting on side with Morgan. The final two with Ava just good. But I mean Ava has so many options and who truly knows where Ava lies. And Ava's not gon advocate for her like Morgan does. But it's still a good position to be in. And I agree with Taryn if, if she had some active pathways to the end I would definitely give her her tins that the chat is is calling for me to give her but because she, because she does have a path but it's like one of those paths where it's like shaky I guess and the win isn't certain. I am going to go with everybody else and give the seven but she is, she's doing an amazing job. Like to be quite honest, for somebody who was supposed to be out week one and didn't need a blockbuster, I mean she used a veto but to get herself from house pariah to into she's already into the final six guaranteed is amazing. I am truly astounded that Ashley is still here because I was. Was so shook for her that first week when we didn't know what was going to happen when the feeds came on and everybody was talking about this two hour shower and I was so scared for her, you know.
- [69:18]
B
Yeah. And I, I really want to emphasize this because it's something that clearly went under the radar in the edit and and is unlikely to be shown and is unlikely to be shown this week also. But there are two major things that Ashley deserves credit for and likely will never properly get even in the like online community. One is it is utterly ridiculous that they voted Will out over Ashley. Just completely absurd that that happened and that she managed to pull that off. Two, she played a major role in getting Lauren on the block and she played a major role not only in getting Vince to do it, but she has been poking at Morgan the bear for the last like week or so about Lauren continuing To, like, embolden Morgan to make these kinds of decisions. Not to say that she wouldn't have anyway, but there were times when Morgan went to Ashley like, am I going too far? Am I being unreasonable? And Ashley be like, absolutely not. She got Morgan to admit that Vince told her about a final two with Lauren, that she had a final two with Vince, and. And really just helped provide that safe space for Morgan to then catapult onto Vince with, and was absolutely an essential part. Now, Morgan gets the bulk of the credit here, but I just want to make sure that, uh, it's at least said that Ashley absolutely deserves, uh, some of it, because she was an essential part of making sure that this happened and making sure that Morgan stayed on task about it as well. The audience came very close to a 7. They gave her a 6.47. They gave her ultimately a 6 from the audience, but it will still average out to a seven. So let's move on the. Ava, hold up.
- [71:23]
C
Taryn, the audience is over here yelling at us to give, and y' all ain't even give her a 10.
- [71:30]
A
They're very fickle.
- [71:31]
C
No, no, no, no, no, no. No more.
- [71:34]
B
This is the dangers of. Of thinking that a couple of people in the chat are representative. This is the dangers of Vinnie thinking that Morgan room equals the whole house. Melissa, how do you feel about Ava?
- [72:00]
A
Well, Ava got the veto used on her, which I do think is good for her. I don't feel like she's actually, like, doing all that much. I like that she and Ashley, you know, made the final two and things like that, but I just feel like. I mean, it's tough because it's like, we're hearing about how Ava, Kelly, and Lauren have, like, a thing together. And, I mean, I don't know much about it, and I don't really have that much faith. Like, I guess, like, it's just they're not gonna vote each other out or something, but, like, I don't know if they're actually, like, strategizing and, like, working. Actually working together. I guess because she got the veto used on her. That's good. I just don't feel like she's doing that much. I still don't feel like she's doing that much. And, like, the idea that, like, she got the veto used on her was not really anything that Ava did herself. It was just Morgan trying to buy favor with Ava and went to talk to Abe was like, like, okay, yeah, I'll take it. But there was no actual strategy behind that. I think. I think the fact that she seems to have like, the Ashley relationship, this Morgan thing with the veto, the, you know, the Kelly and Lauren thing, and the fact that it doesn't seem like even if Ava stayed on the block that she was really in any danger of going home. I feel like I reluctantly kind of want to give her a four, I guess. And the fact that like Will and people are saying that they would vote for her to win, who knows what will happen in the end. But like, it does seem there are people who are rooting for an Ava win. So. Yeah.
- [73:52]
C
I mean, when Morgan first said she was going to use the veto on Ava, Ava was like, you don't have to. Because she was more mad that Vince was going to put Lauren up if the veto was used on her than her own safety. It wasn't until Morgan was like, oh, I'm kind of thinking of using the veto on Keanu is when Ava's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Use it on me. Like, it. I just, I can't. With Ava.
- [74:27]
A
Her.
- [74:28]
C
The fact that she's not willing to push or not willing to push for some of her allies, but I guess is willing to push for one of them, AKA Lauren. But even that, it's like she, she walks around like she's exhausted to play the game and it's like, girl, you signed up for like a 90 day reality TV show where you're being filmed 247 and the game never stops. Like, what did you expect? Expect? Her positioning is very good. She's. She's basically in the middle of two groups. If one group wins, they'll take a shot at the other group. If the other group wins, they'll take a shot at the other group. She'll go unharmed. Vince was targeting her this week. He wasn't able to get her out. I'm trying to figure out in what situation does Ava actually go out and it's kind of hard to predict. So, I mean, yeah, she's. She is begrudgingly in a really good position and she got there socially. But the fact that she strategically does not really want to participate and strategically doesn't even add to her allies game, as in does not fight for them like she should. I think a 4 is fine. It's adequate. It's just, I don't know, like I, it's. It. I feel, I, I feel bad that like, I don't like her anymore, but it's, it's like not my fault, you know, it's. You know what I'm saying? Like, she got in her head Too much. I think she was getting certain prompts from the diary room that led her to believe that she was a big charact on the show, which she is. Which she was. And her guilt about what happened to Rachel after, you know, prolongedly being in a house with people for 60 days has really, you know, turned on her rather mean spirited side. And the fact that she keeps harping about the America's favorite house guest prize is a turn off. Like, we don't want people who are like, oh, I. I really just want to win America's favor. We want people who want to win the game. We want people who want to play the game to win. And every time she says, frankly, I don't care or just throws her hands up to something, it is annoying. So, I mean, she's in a good spot. She'll. Again, I don't see in what scenario she goes out. Like, even in this double I with if Keanu or Morgan is still available, I don't see how she goes out. So, you know, just. Just give her a four. It's fine, I guess.
- [77:34]
B
Well, the audience agrees. They gave her a four. I'm gonna say some things, though. First of all, I think in my view, the order of events for Ava was that the initial plan, the way she heard it, was that Morgan was planning to use the veto on Keanu in order to put up Lauren, and that's what pissed her off.
- [77:58]
C
Oh, okay.
- [78:00]
B
Then she eventually discovered that Lauren or Morgan was saying she was willing to use the veto on her. And sorry. Then she. Then she was told by Ashley she's not using the veto. And she's like, oh, okay. Then Morgan came to her and was like, so I'm thinking about using it. I was thinking about doing it on you, but I'm also now thinking about using on Keanu. And she was like, use it on me.
- [78:24]
C
Okay.
- [78:25]
B
And then she went to the cameras and was like, I just did that. Not really realizing that it was mostly in the works anyway. And there was just a blip where Morgan was thinking about doing it on Keanu. But still, you have to give her some amount of credit for convincing Morgan to not put use it on Keanu because that would have been pretty bad for her. She comes off the block and then once. Once it was, the plan was to use it on her. She then continued to be like, wow, Lauren, can't believe Vinnie would do that. Sucks that I'm coming off the block, I guess. But like, in a way that Lauren didn't actually think that she was being shady. About it. Didn't really fight hard against it, but, you know, put up a token defense of, like, I wouldn't do it if I were you, Vinnie, but, you know, if the veto is going to be used on me. Oh, well, to the point where even this morning before the veto ceremony when she walked in on Vinnie talking to Lauren and Kelly again and. And she was like, wait, she's. She's. They're trying to stop this from happening. That she ran to Ashley to be like, they're trying to stop the veto from being used. Like, what do we do? So that Ashley could try and get the plan back on board because she wanted the veto to be used on her. Now, this shouldn't be a defense I have to make. Like, oh, no, guys, she did want the veto used on her. Is not an argument I should have to be making at all. But. But I do believe that was the order of. From my perspective, at least.
- [79:56]
C
Okay, good.
- [79:57]
B
Now, on top of that, as people have been pointing out in the chat, she is very well positioned, and you guys mentioned this as well, one of the better positioned players. It was impossible, well, not. It was not nearly impossible to get her out this week. It's just Vinnie was. It was impossible for Vinnie to get her out this week, but Vinnie was unable to get her out this week, in part due to her positioning, in part because he can't do anything. But. But she manages to survive. Now, losing Kelly is bad. Is very bad for Ava. Kelly is a guaranteed win in the final two for Ava. Somebody that would be willing to win and bring Ava to the final two. It's not good losing Lauren. Also bad for Ava, someone else that she might be able to beat in a final two and who might bring her to a final two if Kelly wins the blockbuster and Keanu goes home. Ava is in a phenomenal position. She's in a really good position because now she has both Kelly and Lauren in front of her as shields. On the other side of things, Morgan and Vince are the primary targets. And her and her final two she made with Ashley are sitting really, really, really pretty. And so it's really great for both Ashley and Ava if that happens. But that requires Kelly to win the blockbuster. Kelly doesn't win the blockbuster. She loses the shield. And Kelly, she might go up on the block next to Lauren or something. And. And even if she doesn't, if she just loses Lauren next because mor wins hoh and takes out Lauren, now she's stuck again. Now she's in a spot where she lost both of the people that would bring her to the final two. And she's fully reliant on Ashley and both of them are not winning comps, and it's just looking bad. So all of this brings me to say I would give her a five, but she barely tries in the game, and so I'm gonna give her a four as well. Genuinely, like, like she woke up a little bit, but, like, she just can't be bothered with the game. And that means that even if her position is good right now or could be good right now, I just do not have faith that she'll do anything to make sure it stays good in the future. And so I can't get her past that, that ceiling of a four at the moment.
- [82:20]
C
Yeah.
- [82:21]
B
Let's move on to Keanu. Mari, how are you feeling about Keanu? Oh.
- [82:28]
C
The, the lovable jock who may leave this this week. I think this is the most formidable lineup that he's facing in a blockbuster.
- [82:40]
B
Well, you want to get Zach and Vinnie, great. But Vinnie's one of couple HOHs now.
- [82:51]
C
Yeah.
- [82:52]
B
So. But I would say in terms of track record. Yeah, I would say this is the most formidable.
- [82:56]
C
I, I think, I think mostly because it's that, it's that experience of the pressure of the blockbuster. You know what I'm saying? I, I, Right. Because by the time he goes up against Vinnie and Zach, that's at least his second one. I want to say Lauren has never.
- [83:12]
B
Won with her life on the line. Kelly and Keanu have, but Lauren, I think, is the biggest threat in competitions, period. But we don't know how she performs under pressure.
- [83:22]
C
Exactly. And so, and then him even wanting her to go up, it's like, it's like just minus point minus program. He was kind of a step behind this whole week. It feels like, you know what I'm saying? If as Morgan and Ashley are making plans and flipping Vince, it feels like, it felt like to me, Keanu was always the same a, a step behind. He's like, yeah, bro, we gotta get Lauren on the block and vote her out, bro. And it's like. And Ashley's again tries to. No, no, no, don't, don't talk about the voting out part. Just get her on the block. Just get her on the block type thing. He, you know, he's him and Morgan. I, I, him and Morgan just have a Lauren just dissing session, like at the, in the beginning of the week, which is getting them closer together. He's found an all Ashley who he still is ratting out to Vince because He will never learn his lesson about Vince. So it's just like with Keanu. It. Pick your poison. I'm gonna give him a 2 because he's on the block. And I, I truly. Because it's Vince, I still don't know what Vince would do if he has to break a tie. And with Keanu on the block, like, if Vince sent Keanu home, theoretically, he should never get Keanu's vote. Now, in practice, Keanu might leave the house being like, dang that, Morgan. I can't believe she forced Vince to send me home, you know? Or dang that, Lauren. Like, he'll. He'll. He'll more than likely. He'll more than likely blame somebody else. But two, give Keanu two.
- [85:16]
B
Well, the audience gave him a three, which is the same rating they gave him last time, but I'm gonna give him the two as well. He's on the block now. I will give him this. He's in a position for the first time ever where he might survive a vote, but only one of them, because not the other one. It is very likely that he needs to win the blockbuster in order to survive. Even if he does, even if, if, say, Laura, because if Kelly wins right now, he's gone. If Lauren wins, there's a chance he's still gone. And as we've mentioned, as opposed to last week, where he was almost a guaranteed shoo in win, he's now facing two very strong competitors in this format, at least one in this format, one in other formats. And so this really could be Keanu's week. And. And he's also still being Keanu. I'm not harping on it because it's all the same Keanu stuff, and it's not having a lot of impact, but he's continuing to do all kinds of terrible things strategically and socially, and he's not helping his own case.
- [86:27]
A
Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm, like, desperate for him to stay. Sorry, my dogs are playing behind me, so I just. I'm just gonna do this real quick and then mute again at the two for me, unfortunately, because I, I, I do really want him to stay this week, and I really don't want him to go home. I find him really fun to watch. So, yeah, it's. But hopefully it's solid from here, I hope.
- [86:51]
B
Let's move on to Kelly then. I can tell you that the audience came very close to giving Kelly a 1. A 1.55 for Kelly ultimately landing at a 2. Honestly, like, this is not even close to Kelly's. Worst week. Like, I don't. I don't know why. I mean, she is the most likely person to leave, so there's that. But as opposed to previous weeks where she put herself in that position, like, she's actually kind of played this week, okay? Like, she's not been that bad. She's locked into guaranteed allies and votes. There's a chance she survives against Keanu because of those votes. She's just not actively doing anything as terrible as she. Like, Keanu played this week worse than Kelly did, you know? Is that saying much? No. I'm still gonna give her a two. I'm just not gonna give her a one. Melissa.
- [88:06]
A
Sorry, I had to unmute. Yeah, no, I agree. I don't think this is Kelly's worst week at all, but I. I don't think that this is. I mean, I don't know sometimes, like, what she's doing and why. Like, I feel like she could be a good player, but I just feel like she, like, intentionally does stuff that, like. Like, just to be, like, kind of, like, anti or, like, annoying or whatever. Like, there's that clip that was going around for a while that was like, she just, like, ran over and destroyed their pool game that they were playing Vincent Keanu, just, like, for fun and, like, laughed about it. She literally just went over there and swooped all the balls and then just, like, ran away. Like, ha. Like, as if that's, like, cute or something, but, like, that's so. Oh, man. Why do I instigate so much? It's like, that's not good social behavior. That's antisocial behavior. Like, why are you doing that in a social game? I just. I don't see how. Like, I was. Like, she does understand that these. These are the people who would presumably be voting for her to win, right? Like, she can't just piss everyone off all the time. Like, she really needs to. Like, she needs their votes. So I just. I don't know why she does that sort of stuff, and I don't really see a situation where people end up voting for her in the end. So while I don't think that this is, like, a horrible week for Kelly by any means, I mean, obviously, she could go home, so it could be a horrible week, but I don't think anything she's in particular doing to make this week horrible, I just don't think that she can win at the same time. Like, a lot of people are talking about bringing her to the final two because then, like, that's an easy person to beat, they know she's not going to win, so she could presumably like get taken to the end. So. And you know, you never know once that happens. So I don't know. But I, I want to give her a two as well because I just, I don't know. I don't see her winning at this point.
- [90:07]
C
Kelly has been doing that, that stupid childish stuff since week one. Like, that's the crazy thing about this. Like, again, she's another person that should have been gone in the first week, but literally should have been gone gone. Like, should have been caught.
- [90:23]
B
Somebody, somebody sent me this statistic the other day. Let me try and pull it up. That Kelly is the lowest rated player, lowest average rated player in the history of the stock. Watch her. I believe current average rating is a 2.0. Just flat out. The next highest person is Cameron Big BB25, then Daniel BB24. And then Keanu.
- [90:57]
C
Oh, well, Kelly. Oh, my God. Like, yeah, yes, she has Lauren and she amazingly has Ava, who Ava hated her at the beginning of the game, but Kelly is just so blase. Oh, I'm just going to beat Keanu at the blockbuster. It's fine. Like, and then she sits around and does nothing but play chess and hide dead bugs in the house. Like, she's not doing anything to help her positioning. The, the good thing that she has coming for her is, like, with this double eviction coming up, she does have a really good chance of winning the HOH and even though the, the veto. But I mean, depending if Keanu is there or not. But for this week, what's that saying? Like, if Kelly has a hundred haters, I'm one of them. If she has none, I'm so. I'm gonna give her that one. I'm gonna give her that one and it's gonna be a petty one because I, I want that average to drop below that too. I'm. I'm sorry. I'm. I am petty. I just, it's just, it's just that lack of respect for the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, that really is just, just irksome to me. And it's. And Ava. Her and Ava are very close in that. In that lack of respect for the game. I feel like at least Ava does have some higher level of respect for the game, but Kelly just doesn't. And she's so cringe. Like, why was she pretending to cry in her bunk after the nominations? Like, and then just saying random child. It's just annoying. Like, I can't. I Can't. I'm sorry. I will. That will be my petty boots. I. I just can't with her. And again, she is currently the consensus goat. Like, Ashley recognizes. Like, Ashley's like, huh? I think I need Kelly to in the final two with me so I can win. Like, she is the consensus goat, and that pains me because I do not want her to sniff that final two seat. But it makes sense for literally everybody's game to bring her there. So. Yeah.
- [93:15]
A
How old is Kelly? Do we know?
- [93:19]
B
They're saying 29, 30.
- [93:22]
A
Okay, well, because I'm, like, thinking. Because I'm like, you know, I used to do a lot of, like, really annoying stuff when I was, like, really young or whatever, and it was like, you know, I thought it was, like, funny or, like, I'd speak in accents and, like, dumb stuff like that. I'd, like, steal people's clothes in the dorm and, like, wear them around. Like, oh, look, I'm so and so, you know, like, very stupid stuff that I was like, this is endearing. It's funny. People like it. And now look back, I'm like, oh, my God, that's so insane.
- [93:48]
B
She's literally the. Like, I'm so random. Lol. Like.
- [93:54]
A
Yeah, it's like, I can't believe I just did that. And it's like, you know, it's like, people are like, please stop doing that. Like, we don't like that. So. Yeah, I was wondering if maybe it was that sort of thing, and maybe it's just, like, a thing where she just hasn't, like, grown out of it yet. I mean, like, I was doing that stuff. I was 18, so it's like, I. It's not quite the same as 30, but. Yeah, but it's.
- [94:16]
C
There's some pathologicalness to it, though, like, right there. Like, the. Like, the lying for, the instigating, the. It's just weird.
- [94:25]
A
Like, it's also like. It feels like she, like. Like she can't help herself but do it, because then afterwards, she's like, why did I do that? I'm not gonna do that stuff anymore. And then it's like she just does it again, and it's like. Like she just can't help herself from doing these types of things.
- [94:40]
B
It's wild to me how often I find myself, like, seeing things on Big Brother that I'm like, yeah, I remember this in middle school, genuinely. And it's mostly relationship stuff because apparently, like, just everyone that goes on Big Brother has stunted relationships with relationships. But, like, in Kelly's case. It's. It's also in just generally like, the way that she acts and since, you know, and holds grudges and trash talks and all kinds of stuff. So, you know, it's. It's just, it's just strange.
- [95:20]
A
It's like how like Kirsten but pointed out that, like, the Morgan and Vince, like, conversations are like the conversations that you have like, so far into a relationship where you like, no, it's like over. But it's like, but you, like, are hanging on because you're just like, I, I don't. I don't want this to be over. But, like, it's very clear that it's all dead. And, and you're just like, you're just grasping, like, to try. And it's like, oh, man, it's very painful to watch. But then you, like, think back and you're. Because you're like, oh, man, these poor people. Like, this is tough. Like, relationships, like, long term relationships are hard. And then you're like, wait, they've been in the house for like, not, not even a few months. Like, why are they talking like this?
- [95:55]
B
It's like middle school crush relationship. They've been together for like two weeks. And this, this is how, like, that is the conversation. Like, I've seen those conversations. Like, that's how they work in middle school.
- [96:14]
A
Very strange.
- [96:16]
B
Anyway, let's talk about Lauren. Let's talk about Lauren. Lauren's on the block. It's not great. She should be fine. She should be safe. Theoretically, there are at least two outcomes where she's pretty guaranteed safe. That is she wins the blockbuster or Keanu wins the blockbuster or sorry, no, not Keanu. Kelly wins the blockbuster. And that's because as long as Vinnie doesn't change his mind and want to evict her, she should be fine. And despite the fact that Lauren or that Morgan may end up trying to push this, this, it's really. There's only two full days to do it. And I should. Instead of days, I should say she has three full nights to do it. But I think it's gonna be tough to get him to actually break a tie in evict Lauren. I think it's gonna take a lot of work. It's possible, but she should be fine. Then there's the. If Keanu wins the blockbuster, which puts her in more danger, but she also should be fine because I don't think Morgan will do it against Vince's will. I don't think she will do that. So that does not mean she's guaranteed Safe. But it. But I do think that she is probably safe. However, that means that she has a roughly, I would say at least 50, 50 chance of losing her ally, Kelly. But if Kelly. If Kelly wins the blockbuster and Keanu goes home, or if she wins the blockbuster, especially if she wins the blockbuster and Keanu goes home, Vince actually breaks the tie. Vix Keanu. That would be a phenomenal outcome for her. She has will have now won the blockbuster against both Kelly and Keanu, sent Keanu home and is at the final six with. With two locked in allies Ava and Kelly. All three of them can compete in that hoh competition, the double. They can as long as they win that take a shot at Keanu or Morgan. One of them guaranteed leaves, and all of a sudden, she's in the final five with all three of her allies, the best competitor left in the house. Like, she's in a very crushing position if she can, a, win the game in a jury vote, which is still and b, Keanu actually leaves, not Kelly. So that's the difficulty. On top of that, I'm not gonna give her credit for saying no to going on the block, because that should be baseline, and I'm going to extra punish her for not even trying with Morgan. So. So all of that combined, it's a lot of, like, weird stuff back and forth. I think I'm gonna land on a three. I still think that she is more poised to win this game than Kelly is. I think she's still playing better than Keanu is, and she's less likely to leave than either one of them on the block. But the curve is gonna start curving if they leave. Lauren, you know what I mean? You know, you're not getting these threes over their. If they leave and they're not getting those twos, all of a sudden, you're getting those twos. Lauren, you better watch out.
- [99:51]
A
A threat. Yeah, I want to give her a 3 as well. I think, you know, the fact that she's on the block at all is just so not good for her. I mean, her ally one hoh and now she's on the block. This is not good. And the fact, like you said, that she didn't even go talk to Morgan. She's not even like. I do think think some, like, if her and Morgan could just talk, I think that something could have come of it. And yet nothing. It just. This is just so bad for her, her supposed number one, who she's literally been, like, doing things for this entire game and has been, like, prioritizing this entire game puts her on the block. It's very. It should be very obvious to her that, like, he doesn't care enough about her and that she needs to do her own thing. And maybe that's the case, and maybe she will do her own thing, but, you know, it's hard to say. So. So, yeah, at this point, a three.
- [100:42]
C
Yeah, like, the. The little bit of camping that she was doing in the HOH room. Just like, what was that today or yesterday? If I know. If I knew. Since what was it? Like, Friday? Vince. Vince has been basically telling Lauren since Friday. Morgan keeps trying to convince me to put you up. Like, why are you not. But I'm gonna make it very awkward in here. Up in here. Awkward. No, Vorgan time. It is. It's gonna be Vorgan plus Lauren time until y' all not discuss me. You know what I'm saying? Like, she was way too passive here. The fact that she used, like, left her trust into Vince to, like, convince Morgan to, like, not use a veto or to, like, like, try and get her off her back and she herself didn't go to Morgan is just inexcusable.
- [101:38]
B
It's just making me mad. I'm changing a suit too.
- [101:40]
C
Yeah, it's just. It's just really bad. Like, it. It's just really bad gameplay. Your number one ally is the hoh. He should not be putting you on the block. The person you use a veto on and sacrifice at least two other allies for should not be putting you on the block. And you should not be telling him to his face that that is. Okay. I get it. I get it's like, you need him to be on side. I understand that. But because you have said that to him previously, like, because you have shown that you don't hold a grudge against him, he has continued to do this to you, and it is just so frustrating to. To see. And so Lauren's getting two. I'm sorry, y'. All. I can't. I can't feasibly give her a one that is reserved for Kelly. But I just. I'm just so upset with her because, like, she should not be in this position. You should not be in this position.
- [102:38]
A
You.
- [102:39]
C
Like, you were able to convince Vince at least, what, two times, three times not to put you on the block.
- [102:46]
B
Ari, I counted today on stream, it was nine.
- [102:51]
C
Nine.
- [102:53]
B
I'm pretty sure it was nine times that Vince attempted to get her to agree and she convinced him to go to Morgan. And then Morgan went back, and Morgan did it 10 times. And that was the difference.
- [103:06]
A
That is too many. That is way too many.
- [103:08]
C
God, it's. It's still a two, but I just. I just. I don't understand this gameplay. I just don't. I just don't.
- [103:26]
B
The audience agrees. They gave her a 2 as well. A lot of close votes. It was a 2.47. Oh, boy. All right, let's talk about Morgan. Melissa, what are your thoughts on Morgan?
- [103:43]
A
I mean, she did a great job this week. I mean, it wasn't really fun to watch, but. And it was so wild. But she got him to put Lauren on the block, which I never thought was gonna happen. I'm very impressed. Honestly, I am. I. I felt like I was frustrated with Morgan and, like, not that impressed when I felt like she didn't understand why he wasn't wanting to put Lauren on the block. But then when she did the cam talk, I was like, oh, okay, so I guess she does know what's going on here, because I was like. Like, can't you understand he's working with her? Like, what is. What is not to understand here? Why are you not getting it? But it. Honestly, like, I'm very impressed. I feel like I. I want to give her an 8 this week. I think. I think I want to give her an eight. I. I'm very impressed with what she did. I think, you know, it took a lot to get there, and I do think she might have hurt her relationship with Vince in the process, but I guess if he doesn't care, then, oh, well, yeah, I. I think she might. She might win it. I honestly think she has a chance, especially because she's, like, winning competitions now, and, you know, she's one of the few people who's actually gaming in the house, so, yeah, an 8.
- [105:15]
C
Morgan has been my winner pick since the. The cash draft. I. I'm. I'm sure you can go back and watch that. That podcast episode, and you can see me in the comments saying, morgan is my winner pick. Morgan is my winner pick. And I've said that. That on as many podcasts as possible. The fact that Morgan got Vince to put up his number one number two, I still don't know, because he's. He's telling us in the doctor that Lauren is his number one. He's telling us on the cameras he.
- [105:52]
B
Wants to bring Lauren to final two.
- [105:55]
C
And yet Morgan got him to put her on the block after the veto win in a Renam situation. That. That did not need to happen. This did not need to happen. She did. The veto did not need to be used. But Morgan was like, I'm using this video, and you're putting up the person I want you to put up, not another person that's technically coming for you. It is astounding. None of this should have worked. It was so cringy to watch. Like. Like my skin was crawling, and I'm like, morgan, let up. Stop. Leave that man alone. You're pushing him too far. You're pushing him too far. Oh, wait, he. He's doing what she's telling him.
- [106:39]
A
That's literally how I felt. Like, please stop. It's too much. Oh, I was wrong.
- [106:46]
C
This is working. This is working. Her relentlessness is working. This active gameplay is working in this house full of. Of passive people. What? This does not come close to Chelsea. Me giving Chelsea a 10 for getting MJ to put up Leah. But I think I will have to give her the many times that it took Lauren to. To try and to change Vince's mind. I'm gonna give Morgan a 9 because this should not have worked. This should not have happened. Like, God, like, this should not have happened. I. It is astounding. Morgan should not have convinced Vince to put up Lauren in a situation that Lauren did not need to even see the. The block.
- [107:41]
B
This is the first nine of the season. This is the highest rated. Highest individual rating of the entire season. A nine for Morgan from Mari. The audience.
- [107:56]
C
Give her a six.
- [107:58]
B
Give her seven.
- [108:00]
C
Okay.
- [108:01]
B
Pretty seven. And I will say I am inclined to agree with the audience. Listen, it's a. It's phenomenal what she managed to do. She did what she needed to do.
- [108:18]
C
And.
- [108:18]
B
And the praise has already been given, so I don't want to make it seem like I'm only doing the.
- [108:23]
C
The negatives, Taryn.
- [108:25]
B
Plenty of good things. What was the point if she doesn't plan to get rid of Lauren?
- [108:32]
C
Very, very true. Very true.
- [108:36]
B
You know, like, it's not actually doing that much for her. If all that happens is, is that Lauren stays. It's not like, you know, now if Lauren goes, Maury's rating is correct. If she gets Lauren out of here, give her the nine. But if she actually doesn't plan to evict Lauren or doesn't make that happen, then, you know, it's kind of all for not now. I don't think she'll feel that way because in her mind, this was a good, good win in her, you know, this was a good ego win, and it was a good feeds win, and it was, you know, a lot of wins. It definitely means that she should be able to beat Vinnie in a final two. There's that it really like just completely demolishes his chance of winning generally, which is very good because she plans to bring him to the end. But, you know, I think she was already going to be beat him. To be honest. I think she's already probably gonna beat him. Maybe not, but this kind of solidifies it. So still good move, but like, there's also some risks attached to it and you know, listen, that's all I had. It's small, small, honestly fairly small critiques. There's not a ton of downsides to making this move. There's just like not a ton of upsides either considering that she, you know, know, worked so hard to make it happen and you know, still very. I mean, just the willingness has always been Morgan's thing. She is. And I remember very first night of feeds, I, I went back and I clipped from the very first live feed update me talking about how Vince doesn't have a spine. And then from the very second live feed update that Vince is the kind of guy to take advantage of, of his friends and burn them in order to impress other people. Or I guess I wasn't expecting women, but, you know, fits. And the thing I instantly saw about Morgan, the very first stream I did, the 24 hour stream, the very first night of feeds, was, oh, look how willing she is to disagree with her allies. Look how willing she is to say, nope, I want Zay to go. That's my target. And Jimmy would fight with her and Zach would fight with her and she was willing to go. No. If I'm not able to get what I think is best for my game out of this group of people, then either this is not my group of people or I'm going to convince you otherwise. Was she always good at it? Not always, but. But Zay did go home that week. And week after week she tends to get what she wants because she's willing to push harder than anyone else. She is the perfect example of the thing I talk about all the time, which is be more active, try harder. And it's so funny that Lauren is her nemesis because Lauren is the complete opposite of that. And so I absolutely want to. To give Morgan her flowers here for this move. And, and Honestly, I think a 7 is doing so from my perspective.
- [111:59]
C
No, I agree. This is one of those moves that if, if Lauren goes out, it's like a retroactive, like, yes, nine. But I'm giving it to her beforehand because I can.
- [112:10]
B
Fair enough as well. Yeah. In the same way that, like, when Rachel took out Riley, it was like, boom. That should have been way higher, but at the time it was like, yeah, exactly.
- [112:22]
C
We're like, oh, why would you do that?
- [112:26]
B
All right, let's then talk about Vince. Mari, what are your thoughts on Vince?
- [112:37]
C
Okay. All right. See, again, I don't. I don't dislike Vince. I. I really don't. I actually love Taryn's impressions of him.
- [112:47]
B
I. I'm done more for me than any player in that house.
- [112:53]
C
Exactly.
- [112:54]
B
Rachel, I'm.
- [112:56]
C
I'm fascinated by Vince. I truly, truly am. He is so funny. Because we never know what he is going to do until it is done. And because he tells everybody.
- [113:13]
B
Don't say that.
- [113:14]
C
That he tells everything. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. No, I don't do that. Yes, you do. No, this or that. And then when we find out, every single time my jaw is on the floor, the gameplay, the strategic gameplay is out the window because again, it's secondary to. I need Morgan to touch me. I need her to hug me.
- [113:45]
B
Oh, no. He's even lost Chappelle.
- [113:48]
C
Oh, no. Oh, no.
- [113:51]
B
Chappelle, we tried to warn you. You know, we tried to warn you, but just like Lauren, you just kept going back.
- [113:59]
C
That. And that was his road dog. That was Vinnie's road dog. Chappelle was Vinny's road dog. So I. It. In no world should he be putting Lauren up on the block here. He should not putting her. Be putting her game at risk, especially this close to the. This far in the end game when you have again, people like Ava still around, people like Kelly still around, like, putting up Lauren against people who don't have your back. At the very least, Lauren was not one of those people that would have put you up. You know what I'm saying? Like, if she. She wasn't targeting you, and at the very least, she wasn't putting you up and you could have counted on her vote to save you. All of those three things. Lauren. Lauren hits all three ally targets. She is an elite employee that you put on the block.
- [114:58]
A
I don't.
- [114:59]
C
I don't like giving HOH's one. I really don't. But he. He, like, this was. This is bad. This is really, really bad for him. Like, categorically bad. So I. I have to give him a one. Like, I can't justify giving him anything else. Like, what are we doing here?
- [115:28]
B
Yeah, well, the audience did not quite get there. They gave him a two. But I, of course, of course agree. I Mean, yeah. How could you possibly give him any other rating? This is such an own goal. Like, this is the thing about Vince, and this is why I was thinking about, like, man, if. If Vince somehow manages to win, like, he is so much worse than any other winner by far. He's so much worse than most players by far. It's like, you know, when I. When I think about some of the, like, when we talk about, like, some of the worst winners or some of the worst, like, like the players that had a lot of success because of a twist, right, that, you know, that works for Vince, you know, the. The. The Kuda hamster wheel seriously saved his game after he refused to put up Rachel. But then it's like, okay, so the, like, a twist saved their game. And then, you know, from that point forward, they managed to do the bare minimum to, like, make the obvious decisions to make at the end. And it's like, well, I can't. Like, I can't maybe, like the best players, you're like, oh, I trust a player like Dan to. To know how to get out of a bad situation. He has that phenomenal talent of, like, figuring out how to escape a bad spot. And Vince is the complete opposite of that. Vince has a phenomenal talent to find a win and turn it into a loss. I know without a shadow of a doubt out that if Vince enters a any given scenario, he will find the worst path through it possible, because he does it every single time. And he will say, oh, there was no winning scenario. If I did this, it would have been bad. And if I had done that, it would have been bad. And it's like, yeah, because you walked up to those two buttons. There's like a hundred other buttons. You chose those two. You chose that predicament. You decided to go there on your own. You make that choice every single time, Vince. Every time. What are you doing?
- [118:05]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [118:06]
C
Every time. Yeah.
- [118:08]
A
The first hoh. When he was so, like, bad, I was like, maybe this is just a fluke. Like, he doesn't. It's the beginning of the game. Like, he doesn't know how to play. Like, we don't really know. Like, he's just overwhelmed. But, like, at this point, it's not excusable anymore. This is just actively so bad. Putting up not only just like an ally, like, oh, you know, Keanu wasn't going to go against you. He, like, wants to vote for you. Whatever. It's literally putting up someone who is supposedly your number one, who would. Who would and has done, like, everything for You. Anything for you. And this just does not make sense whatsoever. I do not understand the logic behind it. I don't think there is any logic behind it aside from just like, I just don't want to make Morgan mad. And, like, this whole time we've been saying, why is Vince not actively trying to make his two number ones not target each other? Like, they don't need to be best friends or whatever, but just like, how is he so bad that he's not able to convince them? Like, Lauren is not coming after you more Morgan. Like, Morgan is not coming after you, Lauren. Like, it's like, how is he just not able to do that? Instead, it's just like, I know. I don't.
- [119:20]
C
I.
- [119:20]
A
She. Like, she. She might not. Or maybe I'll protect you. Whatever. It's like, no, like, be very firm and tell the person, like, hey, Lauren, tell Morgan is considering. Put, like, wanting you up on the block. Go talk to her. Tell her that, like, you have nothing against her. You want to work with her. Tell her, xyz, that she wants to hear Morgan. Go tell Lauren, xyz. It's like. Like, why is he not doing this? He's. He's intentionally keeping them apart, but that is just so bad for his game. And I understand in the beginning, you know, it's like, well, I don't want them to know that we're working together, but it is so obvious at this point that they're working together. They cannot. He cannot hide that anymore. So once that's out there, you just need to start being like, look, she doesn't want me to go. She doesn't want me to go. Let's all work together to get to the end, and then obviously, I'll pick you first. You know, I'm not going to. I don't want to go against her. Whatever. He can lie and say all that stuff, but at this point, it's like, they know you're working with them. Like, they know it. And he's just.
- [120:19]
B
Melissa, he tried. He tried. He tried today because right after complaining to Morgan about Lauren, she won't let me do it. I just had. She. She always complains and she didn't hug me the other night. And then complaining to Lauren about Morgan. I'm so upset about how she forced me into that. I'm never gonna forget what happened. He got them into a room together, and he said, hey, ladies, this is my ideal final three.
- [120:47]
C
And they both rolled their eyes at him.
- [120:51]
A
That is not the way. You don't, like, like, fire people up to get mad at each other and to actively dislike each other in the game and then, like, put them in a room and be like, okay, now, now we're friends, right? It's like you need to be buttering them up, up on the sides. Like, hey, no, actually, I was talking to Morgan today, and she really seems to want to work with you. Like, she wants three of us to work together. Like, lie, say stupid stuff like that. And then you get them each in a room together, and you'd be like, look, guys, like, I really think there's something here. We could work together. I just don't understand why he's not doing that. So, yeah, it's a one for me. This is just such a bad move. You know, I don't necessarily want Lauren to go home this week, but. But I do kind of want Vince to get his comeuppance. He cannot keep doing these bad moves and then not having anything be bad for him. Like, it's like he ends up coming out unscathed, and I can't have that anymore.
- [121:42]
C
He can't keep getting away with it.
- [121:43]
A
Yeah, he literally gets away with it every time.
- [121:46]
B
He doesn't. He was up on the block for, like, almost every single week. He wasn't in power. He would have gone home if he hadn't won a blockbuster. Like, he is not getting away with it. He just, you know, the getting away with it was the. The hamster wheel for the most part. But he has a one size fits all approach to every single situation. It's complain about other people and act like nothing is his fault. And that just can sometimes kind of work. Like, oh, it's all Morgan's fault. It's all Morgan's fault. But then the second he needs something to happen that involves Morgan, it's like, well, no, we hate Morgan, don't we? We. No, she likes you, actually.
- [122:35]
C
Yeah.
- [122:35]
A
You can't have it both ways. Did he continue on the trajectory of up, down, up, down, or did. Was he. Was he down the week before last week?
- [122:44]
B
He stayed down. He stayed down ever since. So, like, if we go back, the last time he was up was. Hold on, let me.
- [122:53]
A
Well, I guess, like more up. Like, it was like, yeah, it really does seem to go up.
- [122:59]
B
Was this. This five in week six, which. Which was him surviving was Rachel's week. Wow. Then he wins. Hoh doesn't target Rachel then, You know, it's so on and so forth. It's just been bad news from there.
- [123:18]
A
Well, you know, next week he'll go up in next week he'll be a three weeks. Yeah, we'll just wait and see.
- [123:28]
B
Yeah. I mean, I guess to your point, he was up from his one previously to a three last week and then back down to a one again.
- [123:35]
A
Yeah. He can't have two good weeks in a row. He's due. He's due, though, for a good week next week. So we'll see.
- [123:43]
C
Melissa.
- [123:44]
A
Unless he goes out in the double, who knows?
- [123:46]
B
He couldn't possibly be a one again. Right?
- [123:49]
C
He is the HOH and a one. Like, how can you go up, up?
- [123:53]
A
Apparently he can.
- [123:57]
B
Oh, boy.
- [123:58]
A
Anyway, we have some green this week. There's that.
- [124:01]
B
We have some green better this week. Yes. Getting our vegetables in. Anyway, that's. That's the ratings for the week. What a. What a situation we found ourselves in.
- [124:16]
A
What.
- [124:17]
B
And then a double two with a double upcoming. We haven't even talked about double because it's like, I know we've been doing with it.
- [124:27]
C
What is happening.
- [124:28]
A
I get like. I feel like normally when a double comes up, we can kind of map out, like, okay, well if. If the double happens, like, because they're usually talking about it and usually it's like, okay, well, if the doubles next week, then we need like, this person would put out this person. This person would do this person. But like, I have no idea what's happening.
- [124:42]
B
The problem is that the blockbuster outcomes are so dramatically different. Different.
- [124:47]
A
Right.
- [124:48]
B
If Keanu does end up leaving, the double looks incredibly different. If Keanu stays and Kelly goes, the double looks incredibly different. We could theoretically go over both of those outcomes. Like I said, if Keanu leaves, then it's Lauren, Kelly, Ava versus Morgan and Ashley in the hoh and if they don't win, there's a good chance it's Morgan and Vince on the block. Maybe Morgan and Ashley with Vince as the replacement.
- [125:19]
C
And.
- [125:19]
B
And you know, that's likely leads to a Morgan eviction if she doesn't win the veto. If she does, it's probably Vince. Depending. Depending, you know, just depends on how Lauren and. Or Kelly feel at that point. Could be Ashley then if. But like Ava's gonna be wanting Ashley to stay. I. Who knows what Kelly wants? So it's. It's still kind of tough off. And then if Ashley or Morgan win, they just put up Kelly and. And Lauren and whoever doesn't win the veto, they go home.
- [125:57]
C
Can you imagine if Ava accidentally wins double eviction? Hoh.
- [126:01]
A
Like, does anyone have volunteers to go?
- [126:04]
B
It'd be easy. It would be Morgan and Vince and whichever one of them doesn't win would likely leave. She would really be in trouble if she had to do a renom because she wouldn't want to have to do Ashley, but she might have to. And then like, maybe then it's Kelly instead. Like, who knows? Then if Kelly leaves and Keanu's still in the game, then Keanu wins. He puts up Lauren and Ava, probably backdoors Morgan potentially, especially if Lauren wins the veto. If Lauren wins, she puts up like Keanu and Morgan. And if one of them wins the veto, they send the other one home. And. And then you have like some niche like Ashley winning would probably be Lauren and Keanu as a pawn, Keanu or Kelly. Whoever stayed, Kelly's gone in this scenario. So you know, you know, there. It gets tricky if. If Kelly leaves. It gets harder to predict there. But I can see a world where Ashley goes. I can see a world where Lauren goes. I can see a world where Keanu goes. Goes where Morgan goes, where Vince goes. Ava is probably the safest person coming into the double. She is probably the only person that you can't really see an outcome where she leaves or at least a likely outcome where she leaves. Maybe Keanu. Hoh Lauren. Ava on the block. Lauren wins the veto, but then Morgan goes up and the votes are Ashley, Vince and they keep Morgan over Ava maybe. Okay, then so there is maybe a world where it happens. Okay, so I honestly, that's any. I think anybody can leave. I think literally anybody can leave in the double.
- [127:56]
A
Yeah, basically anything. Anything can happen.
- [127:59]
B
Yep.
- [128:00]
A
Looking forward to it.
- [128:02]
B
There is your analysis. Well, what you can do during the double eviction is you can watch my stream of it on YouTube, twitch and patreon. You can watch along with me on patreon if you have the right tier. So check that out. We can do some in the moment analysis. I of course have some live feed updates coming your way every morning. And of course, my book behind the mirror, you can find it@taranarmstrong.com now in audiobook form as well. Mari has one. There are some new links on the website as well.
- [128:42]
A
Where's my copy? I pre ordered it. It.
- [128:45]
C
Oh, see this? This is a special copy.
- [128:48]
A
Wow. Okay, so I have to pay for a copy and she gets a special advanced copy.
- [128:54]
C
No, hey, hey, I'm paying for the audio book because I. I listen to audiobook so I. That's what I'm gonna be doing.
- [129:01]
A
She's not even reading it. Wow. Okay, cool. Guys, you didn't ask exactly because I was trying to get you sales. You're welcome.
- [129:19]
B
I just, you know, I was sitting there like, wow, Melissa doesn't even want a copy of my. An early copy of my book. She's not even bothering to ask me for one. Oh, man.
- [129:28]
C
Morvant.
- [129:29]
A
Morvince, apparently you have another number one here.
- [129:32]
B
I just saw Melissa talking to Keanu about it, and she didn't even come to me and ask about if she wanted one. So I don't know. I just felt like you didn't want to it.
- [129:41]
A
Wow. Not even a number one. I'm the Lauren of this scenario. Great. Thanks, guys. Cool.
- [129:51]
B
Well, you can now order at some other bookstores, and it would be very helpful if you did. So if you haven't ordered yet, there are some other, like, independent bookstores you can order from. This is helpful because we have not planned properly and we have sold enough to maybe go on a bestseller list, but they don't like it if you've only sold at one bookstore, which is what we've done so far. So. So if you. If you buy from some of those other bookstores, we should be able to get those signed as well. But it would just be helpful just to put that out there. Yes, check all of that out. Mari, what do you got going on otherwise?
- [130:28]
C
Well, of course you can find me over on Crime Scene, where me and Sarah Kerry bring you true crime Tuesdays. We just finished talking about. Oh, my God. It was like the. A heist heist of the century. But before that, what everybody really cares about is Unknown number. We talked about Unknown Number, the very wild documentary on Netflix. So make sure you go to crime scenepod.com in order to subscribe. And you can follow me on Blue sky at. Mari talks too much too. Like, the number two.
- [131:04]
B
Yes.
- [131:06]
C
Melissa shows he's walking.
- [131:08]
A
I wanted to prove that he was walking because everyone was surprised when I said that earlier. So, yeah, he's walking.
- [131:14]
B
How long has he been walking for?
- [131:16]
A
He started walking, like, right after he turned one, basically. So like early August, sort of, but. But like, barely walking in early August. Just like a couple steps. Now he's like, fully walking.
- [131:29]
B
All right, Very exciting. You got a walker. All right, well, that is what we have for you then. You can, of course, find Melissa edits Melissa with three A's, whether or not she wants an early copy of your book.
- [131:48]
A
Trying to support you, but next time won't be happening.
- [131:54]
B
Thank you all so much for joining us, and we will see all of you next time.