BB27 Saturday Live Feed Update September 13, 2025

Summary

RHAP: We Know Big Brother – BB27 Saturday Live Feed Update (September 13, 2025)

Hosts: Taran Armstrong & Kirsten
Date: September 13, 2025
Episode Theme:
A dramatic, chaotic, and hilarious blow-by-blow recap of Day 67 in the Big Brother 27 house, focusing on the fallout and strategy around HOH Vince’s nominations, the tangled relationships among the Final 7, and one of the most over-the-top, excruciatingly circular days on the live feeds in memory.

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Overview

This episode dives deep into a wildly dramatic day in the Big Brother house, spotlighting Vince's (Vinnie's) HOH struggles, a fiasco around nominations, shifting alliances, and hilarious, sometimes maddening, relationship theatrics. Taran and Kirsten try (and often commiserate about trying) to untangle the decision-making, emotional manipulation, and general absurdity that dominated the feeds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: "The Bold and The Beautiful"

• Taran calls Day 67 "genuinely one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen" on Big Brother feeds. (02:52)
• Kirsten is hyped to cover a day so dramatic that fans were specifically clamoring for her take.
• Taran sets up the tone: "There's no way, no possible way I can do justice to the absolute madness… You won't believe me… Just go back and watch." (02:52)

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2. Vince/Morgan/Lauren: The Nominations Fiasco

Vince Under Siege: Emotional Manipulation & Flip-Flopping

• Vince is the HOH. Morgan pressures him relentlessly to put Lauren on the block.
• Morgan's Arguments:
  • Lauren can’t remain block-free or she’ll win in the end.
  • Vince must "prove" loyalty by nominating Lauren.
  • "You have to prove to me that you're willing to choose me over her." (05:46)
• Taran points out that Morgan & Vince have less than three hours sleep – “sleep debt is real.” (07:13)
• Ashley is referred to as “worm tongue,” fueling Morgan’s resolve against Lauren for her own ends. (07:32)

Nomination Plan Chaos

• Original Plan: Target Ava by nominating her.
• Under pressure, Vince agrees to put Lauren up but says he’ll talk to her first.
• Lauren refuses, firmly, when Vince asks if she'll agree to go up as a pawn.
  • Vince: “Is that too risky?” Lauren: “Too risky. Yeah.” (24:33)
  • “Is this me just pitching things? This is me just throwing out an idea.” – Lauren responds adamantly, "No."
• Circular conversations ensue as Vince begs for "permission" to make nominations—which Kirsten and Taran mock as weak, manipulative, and ineffective:
  • “If they haven’t watched this conversation in its entirety, I’m not taking their opinion seriously.” – Taran (33:18)

Morgan's Frustration

• Morgan lambasts Vince for his weakness and indecision:
  • "You don't have to give her a bottle and pat her back and hold her—you're like a baby!" – Morgan, as recapped by Kirsten/Taran (31:15)

Vince's Desperation

• Vince's manipulation peaks during the Lauren convo:
  • "Come on, let's do it! Let's do it! Let's do it!" – Vince, pleading ad nauseam for Lauren to agree to go up (41:21)
• Lauren refuses every time. Vince expresses regret, frustration, and self-pity.
  • "I'll just throw my game away... I'll just go sit in the HOH room by myself." (39:54)

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3. Social & Strategic Underpinnings

Keanu Feels Paranoid & Targeted

• Keanu confronted by Vince about “Cheating Island” comments—Keanu apologizes, but feels scapegoated.
• Kirsten: "Has Keanu scoffed at Vinnie? Yes. Who among us has not?" (10:30)
• Vince tries to spin Keanu’s potential nomination as helpful: “I’m putting you up so that you can win the veto… good for your resume, dude." – Unconvincing. (28:34)

Ashley as Agitator

• Ashley encourages conflict and subtly manipulates, sowing seeds against Lauren and Kelly for her own benefit.
• She actively plays both sides and promises to vote for whichever ally is at risk. (23:39 – 24:33)

Kelly as Comic Relief

• Kelly caught eavesdropping on Keanu/Ashley, rushes to relay info in a “five-year-old with a cool backpack” way. (23:15)

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4. Post-Nomination Fallout

Vince's Non-Move

• Vince ultimately does NOT nominate Lauren. Actual nominations: Keanu, Ava, and Kelly. (45:22)
• Morgan is furious: "Wow, Vince, I feel like I'm your number two now. I'm pooping my pants." (46:02)
• Vince looks "like a scolded child," pleading emotional and passive: "I tried really hard. It was an emotional decision." (46:02)
• Ashley tells Vince: "Lauren manipulated you, Vince," but privately continues to plot. (47:45)

Morgan and Vince: Codependent Chaos

• They have a long, drawn-out, dramatic relationship talk:
  • “I feel like you’re breaking up with me in the game.” – Vince (64:31)
  • "Why do you need to hold her hand and walk her to the block and sit her down and give her a blankie and a bottle and pat her back while she's drinking the milk?" – Morgan (62:50)
  • Both battle feelings of betrayal, with emotional tone reminiscent of a dysfunctional relationship: “End of a long term middle school relationship” – Kirsten (61:16)
• Lauren interrupts at one point with snacks, walking in like a child with tater tot questions: "Hey guys. Oh, are you... you guys sleeping?" – Lauren (66:38)

Ashley & Keanu If-Then Plotting

• Ashley tells Keanu she’s open to using the veto to force Vince’s hand, discussing ways to outmaneuver Lauren. They agree to vote to save each other if on the block, waiting to see who gets nominated after veto. (69:49)

Vince’s Doubts, Regrets & Delusions

• To the cameras: “Whatever, man. Lauren’s gonna beat me in the final two. I don’t think she will. I still beat Lauren. I’m still gonna go to the end with her. I can beat Lauren. It’d be stupid if she could beat me. But, I should have nominated her.” (48:45)

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5. The Big Picture: Where the House Stands

Veto Importance

• The entire house is now waiting for the Veto competition.
• Multiple scenarios for the Renom: If Lauren goes up as a replacement, she's at serious risk of eviction; Ashley and Morgan are committed to voting her out, and Keanu would be a third vote depending on the configuration. (79:15)
• Ashley warns Morgan not to tell Vince about their plan to evict Lauren until after she’s on the block or he’ll put Morgan up instead. (51:11 – 52:53)

Ava's America's Favorite Player Campaign

• Ava is openly angling for AFP, with Kirsten comparing her social media outfit to "a little lad who loves berries and cream." (82:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Come on, let's do it! Let’s do it! Let’s do it!” – Vince, over and over (41:21–42:22)
• “You have to prove to me that you’re willing to choose me over her.” – Morgan (05:46)
• “Has Keanu scoffed at Vinnie? Yes. Who among us has not?” – Kirsten (10:30)
• "Why do you need to hold her hand and walk her to the block and sit her down and give her a blankie and a bottle..." – Morgan (62:50)
• “I feel like you’re breaking up with me in the game.” – Vince (64:31)
• "This is textbook because one, he gets to make himself the victim, which is his favorite role…" – Kirsten, on Vince’s manipulation (13:05)
• “I just love how both Vinnie and Morgan are going on about this comment and Morgan's going to talk about it too like, you know, that's the kind of comment that can ruin lives. And it's just like, this is what's wrong with society—the idea that the comment is the more threatening thing than the doing of it.” – Taran (16:19)
• "Plan's back on, baby." – Kirsten, every time Vince flip-flops (32:34)
• “It’s the end of a long-term middle school relationship, specifically.” – Taran (61:16)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:52 – Taran sets the tone; the day’s madness explained.
• 05:40 – 07:13 – Morgan’s arguments to Vince; Ashley’s manipulation.
• 10:30 – 11:27 – Keanu/Vince confrontation and “Cheating Island.”
• 24:33 – 41:00 – Vince’s desperate, circular pleading with Lauren.
• 45:22 – 47:45 – Post-noms fallout; Morgan’s rage and Ashley’s influence.
• 56:39 – 66:14 – The “relationship talk” between Vince and Morgan in the HOH bed; Lauren's interruption.
• 69:49 – Ashley and Keanu discuss veto scenarios.
• 79:15 – 81:22 – Strategic crunch: what happens if Lauren is renom’d? Voting blocks.
• 82:14 – Ava’s AFP campaign, social media reference.

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The Episode’s Tone & Takeaways

• Exasperated, Entertaining, and Analytical: Taran and Kirsten can’t hide how exhausting it was to watch these feeds—let alone summarize them—but layer in constant humor and biting analysis.
• Vince painted as a master of self-sabotage, not manipulation. Their mockery of his indecisiveness is relentless.
• House dynamics are fluid and unstable: shifting alliances, broken trusts, and everyone plotting several scenarios ahead.
• Veto is pivotal: All game speculation turns on who wins and how Ashley, Morgan, and Lauren will maneuver.
• The house is reaching a boiling point—emotionally and strategically—with relationships fraying and gameplay getting increasingly personal and chaotic.

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Final Notes

• Both hosts encourage listeners to watch the feeds to truly understand the level of chaos—and remind fans that the recap was a fraction of the full drama.
• Kirsten’s parting shot: “I was scared yesterday—updates can be 3 hours… We’re just two people!”
• Taran: “You don’t get it if you aren’t actually watching the feeds.”
• What’s Next: All eyes on Veto results; will Lauren go up and out, or can the house out-maneuver Vince and his mounting regret?

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For fans wanting to keep up, tune in for tomorrow’s recap for post-veto fallout and shifting strategies that are sure to follow this wild and pivotal week.

Transcript

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[Kirsten]

All.

[Taron Armstrong]

The drama, all the strategy and silliness from VO2HOH every single season, you know he is the reason, you know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello, everyone, and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 13th. I'm your host Taron Armstrong, in costume today for an update to let you know everything that happened yesterday on the big brother 27 live feeds. It was day 67 in the house, and, you know, I said it was Big Brother live feeds, but I'm pretty sure it was actually titled the Bold and the Beautiful. And someone who's bold and beautiful is with me today. Kirsten, how you doing?

[Kirsten]

Oh, my God. Thank you. Turn. That's so nice. Yeah, I, you know, I'm ready to be here. It's rare.

[Taron Armstrong]

Rare.

[Kirsten]

It's rare that there's a day when people on. On Blue sky are like, tell me, tell me Kirsten's on the update. Tell me. It's crazy. It's me.

[Taron Armstrong]

It is. It is. Yeah. Yesterday was a day where about a few hours into the feeds, I went, oh, boy. I've already, like, this is going to be. I've already got a big thing to do on the update tomorrow. And then more of the day into the feeds, I was like, oh, wow, this is gonna be a lot of work. And then by the end of the night, I was like, kill me.

[Kirsten]

You know what, Taryn, it's gonna be okay. You know what? Send me the script. We can do this together.

[Taron Armstrong]

I'm just. I just need to say up front, there's no way, no possible way I can do justice to the absolute madness of these people on the feeds yesterday. It. It was genuinely one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. So just keep that in mind, go back and watch, because you're not going to believe me when I do It. I've seen people say, like, oh, I actually started watching some of the feeds and wow, I thought Taran was exaggerating Vince. I thought he just hated him. No, that's. I'm just doing my best to convey Vince.

[Kirsten]

Oh, I was going to say, like, half true, at least.

[Taron Armstrong]

It's. This is the thing. He. He does it to himself. Like, I'm just trying to do my best, and it comes across bad because Vince comes across bad. That's. That's what's happening here. Okay? That's. That's the real. The real meat of this.

[Kirsten]

Okay, before we get into it, can I just throw a little shout out so you wouldn't know about this? Because you are, though, online watching the live feeds, one of the least chronically online people that we know. But there's a tick tock came to my attention and I think several of the updaters attention yesterday of a teacher. Her. Her name is Danielle Ashley. And she mentioned that your Vinnie impression has literally incepted her and she found herself accidentally sliding into it while doing reading time with her students. And I just felt that you should know.

[Taron Armstrong]

Listen, it's. At some point, it's like that movie together. I feel like I got to be really, really careful. All right, let's get into the day. Of course, as you know, Vince is the hoh. And he spent all nights with Morgan asking Morgan to sleep in his bed. You know, saying things like, I'm. They're. They're gonna say, oh, you let her do this to you, Vince. You know, you're a cheater. You're an emotional cheater. And then literally, like a minute or two later, you can sleep on the bed. You know, we can. We can just be on different sides of the sheets and, you know, we can be, like, facing different ways. Like, it's totally fine.

[Kirsten]

He said they're gonna say I'm an emotional cheater, so let's make it physical. Come on.

[Taron Armstrong]

But of course, Morgan has been pushing Vince to nominate Lauren, and he has been reluctant, but she was pushing him all night long. And they wake up on less than three hours of sleep, and she immediately gets to work again, starts to push the Lauren nomination, starts to push the don't target Ava situation, because Ava is his primary target. Was his primary target. But Morgan had some things to say about that. She said, you should absolutely not be targeting Ava. Your targets should be Kelly, Keanu, or Lauren. And of course, Lauren should be going up on the block. Now, I don't want to spend too much time on really Any Vinnie or Morgan conversations before we get to later in the day. But the point is that it's the continuation of what was happening the day before. And the primary arguments are, you can't leave her off the block. She'll use the veto. You have to prove to me that you're willing to choose me over her, which is the real thing. And. And, like, you have to put her on the block. She can't have not never touched the block. She will win in the end, so on and so forth. And she keeps pressing these arguments. And she does eventually convince him here, right in the morning, he is going to put Lauren on the block. He just needs to talk to her about it.

[Kirsten]

Yeah. And I just, like, we. I cannot emphasize enough how little sleep Vorgan is operating on. Like, sleep debt is real, y'. All. I'm actually worried for them when they get out of that. This is not healthy.

[Taron Armstrong]

So throughout the morning, after Morgan has this conversation with Vince, she is, like, game planning with Ashley talking about different ways to. To, like, convince Vince to do this. And Ashley really prepping her for, like, if he doesn't do it. And Morgan's like, oh. And so just keep in mind, Ashley is like the, like the worm tongue. She is, like, very much like, in the ears, whispering poison into Morgan's ear and. And like, hyping her up for all of this. Not that it's that necessary, but very much, like, making sure to fan the flames and. And reap the rewards as much as possible.

[Kirsten]

Yes.

[Taron Armstrong]

And.

[Kirsten]

And Ashley, like, she's bored. She. She has lost all the people she likes spending time with. She is. She's bored and she will ruin lunch on purpose. And I love that.

[Taron Armstrong]

So Vince talks to Keanu and basically tells Keanu he's putting Lauren on the block. Like, that's basically the game plan. But in order to do that, because the plan now, by the way, he agrees to put Lauren on the block. The plan now is leave Ava off the block. The idea being that if Ava's off the block, then Ava's a definite vote to keep Lauren. And then Ashley and. And Morgan are also promising they will keep Lauren. So Lauren will not leave. She's just going to go up on the block. And so if. If. If Ava's not on the list. So the. The nominations would then be Kelly, Keanu, and Lauren. And so he needs to talk to Keanu. Keanu, I'm. I'm going to do what you wanted. I'm going to put Lauren on the block, but I'll have to pretend you're the target. And Keanu's like, what does that mean? Like, I just want you to be upfront with me. If. Am I going up? Like, what's. Are we good? I mean, I want to believe that we're good, but there are things that make me suspicious, you know? You know, like, do you have a final two with Kelly? You know, like, I'm just worried you're gonna bring Kelly to the end because you think you can beat her. Why the would I do that, bro? I know. I know. She slept over last night. Poisoning your mind, Morgan. Well, no, it's not. It's not. Morgan. It's not about that. I mean, you know, you. You did put me on the block. You gambled with my life. And that. That hurt me more than I can tell you. You know, you embarrassed me because I was crying and you were scoffing at me. You kept scoffing at me. Scoffing, dismissing everything I said. I look like an idiot on TV now because you scoffed at me. What?

[Kirsten]

I didn't realize you had that octave in you. And listen, has Kiaru scoffed at Vinnie? Yes. Who amongst us has not? Okay, come on.

[Taron Armstrong]

K. Well, so now. Now you're telling me about this. Now that you have power, you're talking about this when, before, you were acting like we were good. Now. So now we're not good? Is that what. Is that what you're saying? Well, I mean, I thought we were good, but now I'm hearing that, you know, you're going around and saying things like, oh, Morgan's my girlfriend, and, hey, we're on cheating island, then you know, those things are disrespectful. That changes things, Keanu. That changes things. It's not just the scoffing.

[Kirsten]

Stop. Can we. Can I ask a question about the cheating island thing? Because did we actually see it? We didn't actually see him say cheating island. Correct.

[Taron Armstrong]

I don't recall hearing it.

[Kirsten]

Now, do you think it's possible that he actually did know that the show is called Temptation island? And production was like, you can't say it. You can't see a real show.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yeah, maybe.

[Kirsten]

Oh, no. This is.

[Taron Armstrong]

We're off to a rock. So they keep talking about the. The cheat man's comments, and the feeds keep cutting from this, too. Like. Like, I. You know, I just. You're going around and saying these things, and. And Keanu's. Keanu admits to saying the cheating. Cheating is. I'm sorry. That was disrespectful. But I just want you to know Vince, everyone is talking about it. It's not just me. Like, if people are trying to make it out to seem like I'm the one doing this, then. Then they're lying to you. I. I made like one comment and he's like, well, I don't know. I just. It's really. I just don't know where we stand now that you made this comment. And. And it's. To me, it should be wild, right? It should be wild that Vince actively wants the storyline in the episode to be, hey, Keanu, I have to put you up because you made a comment about us being on Cheating Island. But hey, Vince does what he does.

[Kirsten]

No, you. You know Vince's mind better than this. This is textbook because one, he gets to make himself the victim, which is his favorite role to play. And two, he can into the diary room and be like, I can't believe that people think I would cheat on Kelsey. I would never do that. I love her so much. I just have a human connection with Morgan. And then he gets to be like, I can't believe people are saying this. It's so false. And Keanu's lying about me and trying to hurt my real life relationship. So he had to go on the blog. And you know what? Some of these casual show only viewers might even fall for it, because I think Vinnie has a lifetime of people fall for his game.

[Taron Armstrong]

Listen, Keanu is just trying to help Vinnie out. You know, Keanu is. He. He understands reality tv. He talked to Rachel about wanting to go on the challenge and, you know, Kickstarter career. He's just trying to help Vinnie out. He's trying to kickstart a new show starring Vinnie called Cheating island, where it's Vinnie on an island with a bunch of women and. And he's just cheating.

[Kirsten]

So wait, so is. Is Cheating island just like, one person who's in a relationship with a. Like, it's just like one half of.

[Taron Armstrong]

Temptation island in a relationship. And the whole show is how long until every one of the women finally gives up and leaves the island. And it's just him being like, I'm so sorry. You know, there's a bunch of women here. I'm supposed to kiss them all.

[Kirsten]

You put Vinnie in a pop the balloon type scenario. He whines one time. Every balloon pops in an instant because anyone with taste instantly get the ick from this behavior.

[Taron Armstrong]

So Vince continues to question, well, if you felt this way about me and Morgan, why didn't you say anything about it to me? You know, I'm just Sitting here in ignorance, not even knowing that it's apparently looking like this. If you really felt that way, why didn't you say something to me like a friend? You know, why don't you say something before? Zingbot is like, because, bro, you told me that Kelsey would be chill with it. So I was like, all right, not my situation. I'm not going to make a comment. But then apparently this is how some people are saying or seeing things. So, like, I just want to give you a heads up that, like, maybe you should chill. I don't know. That's. Listen, it's not my business.

[Kirsten]

I do love how this has flipped from Keanu making one comment behind his back to I was trying to warn you that you have to stop acting this way. Like some. Sometimes Keanu is so locked in and it makes you forget that he is a deeply unserious person. And then sometimes a conversation just totally shifts the narrative of what happened for both sides. That you're like, we're in the land of make believe. This is not real.

[Taron Armstrong]

I just love how both Vinnie and Morgan are going on about this comment and Morgan's going to talk about it too. Like, you know, that's the kind of comment that can ruin lives. And it's just like, this is what's wrong with society. Like the idea that the comment is the more threatening thing than the doing of it and that the comment is going ruin lives and not the doing of the thing being commented on.

[Kirsten]

Well, yeah, Taryn, he's a promising young man with a lot of potential. And you really want his life to be destroyed over his own words and actions. Oh, my God. How dare you?

[Taron Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Kirsten]

But also like the idea for Vince to act as though this is the first time he's heard anything of it. As if like Zingbot and then Keanu saying Cheater island is the first that this has come up. Because you've been asked about it in the diary room, Vinny. And I know you've been asked multiple times. You know how this is being perceived, but you just think you can reframe it to get what you want.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yep.

[Kirsten]

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[Kirsten]

I haven't said anything recently.

[Taron Armstrong]

But she. Because they already talked about, like, there was a comment that Kelly made. And he's like, apparently there's a new comment that Kelly made. She's like, yeah, that's Kelly. I tried to warn you, man. I. That's what I've been trying to say. The Ashley's, like, thing for the last, like, week has been like. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's what I've been trying to tell you. And it's. It's Kelly. It's Kelly. And he's like, I. I believe you. You know, I just. I really. I was. I was a little worried because I feel like the one person that I can maybe trust now is you, and I was just hoping that you wouldn't. Hadn't done it. I didn't. I didn't. He's like, I believe you. I believe you. And he says, you know, I. I think I'm going up now, which sucks. All this. All the blame for all of this is apparently my fault because Kelly keeps ratting me out. You know, and this. It sucks, too, because, like, not that I wanted you to go on the block, Ashley, but if I had been off the block, my plan was to win the veto and use it on you and then force Vince to choose between Morgan and Lauren. And she was like, yeah, I. That's. I would love to do that, too. And they agree that they. They'll both be voting for each other to stay in the event that either one of them is on the block. However, while they're having this conversation outside in the backyard with planes going over, so they're yelling at each other to hear each other. Kelly has her ear to the door in the kitchen, and she is hearing a good amount of what they're saying. And so she, of course, runs this back to Lauren and Ava, who are chatting. Oh, guys, guess what I just heard. Guess what I just heard. I. I was just listening to Keanu and Ashley, like, oh, did you hear anything? Yep. Any. Anything juicy? Yep. So they were saying, like, oh, we're going to vote each other to stay if we're on the block. Like, oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. And. And stuff like that.

[Kirsten]

I love any conversation with Kelly is. It's Giving. When you're meeting like a four or five year old for like the first time and they like, have a lot to say and it's like, I don't know what I'd say to Kelly besides, like, cool backpack. You know, I feel like there are people in the house have the same kind of vibe.

[Taron Armstrong]

Ashley does talk to Vince after his conversation with Keanu. He's asking her to grab Lauren for him, but she makes sure to, like, get in some points about why makes sense to go with Morgan's plan and how obviously he can't put her up because then his HOH would whiff, you know, like Ms. HOH. Yeah. Yeah. And so then Keanu goes and talks to Morgan so they can clear the air about the cheat man stuff. And finally, after a very long time, Vince is able to grab Lauren and basically have the conversation with her. What should be the conversation with her about how she. He wants to put her up. He says, he starts to explain, like, you know, I really want Keanu gone now because, you know, he's. He's saying all this stuff about my cheat mans. Okay. That he didn't say cheat mans.

[Kirsten]

He doesn't know yet. He doesn't know yet.

[Taron Armstrong]

And, you know, and. And I really, like, I feel like it's so important that we. That we maximize our chances of winning the veto. You know, so, you know, I was thinking. And so, like, this is another option, you know, just another option that we could consider. And I won't do this unless you want to. Is. Is you go up. And even before he says that, she starts shaking her head. He's like, but. And so, you know, and so. And so he continued, so what I can do for you is I cannot put Ava up to make sure that you have the votes because then Ava's a vote for you to stay, right? And then you're. You're guaranteed safety. You know, it's. And she's still shaking her head. Is that. Is. Is that too. Too risk, Too risky? Too risky. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I, you know, I don't. I don't want to break trust with you, but, you know, you know, I just thought. I just thought it was maybe I'm just throwing things out there. I just thought maybe it was a good idea to consider that maybe if you went on the block and then. And then. And Ava wasn't on the block and we were to maximize odds because you might not get drawn. You know, there's one person that won't play, and I want to make sure you play you know, and then, you know, if you can win a veto and build your resume and stuff, and so. Yeah, you know what? I don't know what you think. No, I. I don't think so. Oh, okay. Okay. Well. Well, if you don't want to. I don't want to break trust with you, so. But I would need my noms. I need, need, need my noms to stay the same. Okay, I, I, I won't. I won't use the veto on Kelly. But you will use it on Ava. I mean, I don't get why Ava even needs to be up, you know? Like, what? And this is me just pitching things. This is me just throwing out an idea. But, I mean, couldn't Ashley be on the block? You know, I, I. Apparently, she was just talking to Keanu, and they were saying that they were going to vote for each other, so I don't know. It. Maybe she could. And this is just me also, you know, throwing ideas out there. No, no, Yeah, I get it. But I can't do Ashley. You know, I don't want to whiff three times, you know, on my hoh. I couldn't. I couldn't do Ashley. So, you know, I just. I just feel like it's really important and they continue on this for a while, but she's pretty adamant. She's not willing to go up on the block. And he's like, okay, okay, so, okay. And the plan has been killed that he did not get permission from Lauren. He could not convince her to go up on the block, and so he needs to go and talk to Keanu. Ah. I. I can't put Lauren up. I'm sorry. Sorry. You know, all she's done is forgive me for burning her. And, And. And, you know, I don't think she will burn me. Keanu's like, oh, so you think I'll burn you? No, I, I just want to make sure you win the veto, Keanu. That's. I'm putting you up so that you can win the veto. I. I feel like you're insinuating that you'll put me up instead of Lauren. Well, yeah, bro. Like, what the hell? All you're doing is creating a vicious cycle, dude. But. But then you'll win the veto, and it'll be. It'll be, like, good for your resume, dude, let's not spin this as a way to build my resume, dude. Oh, it's good for you, dude. Trust me. You're sitting here trying to justify putting me up there. I'm not. I'm Telling you there's no justification, Keanu.

[Kirsten]

It's. Here's the thing. We all know Vinnie's going to ask for forgiveness anyway, so he could at least skip the permission part because this. It's just so unbearable and, like, it's final seven. Make your move. Make your move and stand by it. Or at least make your move and then grovel about it afterward.

[Taron Armstrong]

I like the. The fact that there are people that exist in the world that say Vinnie is a good manipulator or has influence. They cannot possibly watch the feeds.

[Kirsten]

I. Well, but the thing is, is, like, watching the feeds makes me see, oh, this is a gaslighter. I would love to interview all of Vinnie's ex girlfriends. I would love to interview all of his ex girlfriends because I know that they have put up with some bullshit. I've also seen people positing that perhaps he is method acting this whole season. And to which I say, first of all, why would he pick this character to method act?

[Taron Armstrong]

The amount of code for Vince? There are so many people that want Vince to be something he's absolutely not.

[Kirsten]

And the thing is, even if he were method acting, which I do not believe to be the case, think about the actors that we hear about that do method acting. It's never someone you like. It's never. It's like Shia LaBeouf, and you're like, yikes. Okay.

[Taron Armstrong]

So he has the conversation with Keanu, does not go well, and then talks to Morgan, and he now needs to break the news to Morgan that he can't nominate Lauren. I tried talking to her, and she, you know, she. She just. She wouldn't let me. And Morgan's like, who cares if she's letting you? Like, it needs to be Lauren. And she goes over the points again. And. And he. This is now, like, outside. Because they're locked outside. Yeah. And he's just like. I tried to get her to agree. She doesn't need to agree, Vinnie. I just feel like you don't understand how bad it would be if she goes home. I understand. She won't go home, Vince. And you're giving her another week of not going on the block. But won't it look bad if I put up my number two? It's. She's my number two. I'm pooping my pants.

[Kirsten]

I know. In this. I, I. Is this the start of yesterday when Morgan is like, you don't have to give her a bottle and pat her back and hold her. You're like a baby. Okay. I was. I couldn't remember if it started earlier and continued or just happened later, and then I was retrofitting it.

[Taron Armstrong]

I mean, yeah, the. I would say the seeds of it are here. And then it became a plant, and then it became a tree.

[Kirsten]

Yeah. And it's funny because that is largely how Morgan treats Vinny.

[Taron Armstrong]

When I look bad, if I put up my number two. No, Vince, it will look bad if you don't. The. The way Lauren. That has. If Lauren goes up, it guarantees that. That you will hit your target the way Lauren did her hoh. Guaranteed she wouldn't hit her target because she didn't put competitors up next to her targets. Keanu is always going to win that blockbuster. She should have put up more competitors. He eventually is beaten down again and says, okay, okay, fine, fine. I. I'll. I. I'll do it. I got. I gotta go talk to her, though. I got. I have to go talk to. So now he's back on the plan.

[Kirsten]

Plan's back on, baby.

[Taron Armstrong]

Plans back on. And he needs to. He. I need to.

[Kirsten]

I need to.

[Taron Armstrong]

They're gonna call me. I need to talk to her first. And so he pulls Lauren to talk. And it's quite annoying because they're outside, they're whispering, and there's planes, but, oh, my God, this conversation. I genuinely. Anybody that says Vince has any amount of influence or ability to manipulate people, if they haven't watched this conversation in its entirety, I'm not taking their opinion seriously. Genuinely. And if they do watch this entire conversation in its entirety and still have that opinion, I'm also not taking their opinion seriously.

[Kirsten]

I think that there's someone acting in a manipulative fashion versus having, like, manipulative power or influence are getting conflated a little bit.

[Taron Armstrong]

Exactly. Exactly. It's watching a child try to manipulate somebody and then being like, wow, mastermind. So he talks to Lauren and he says, listen. So I was thinking, you know, like, we were. I was talking to Morgan and Ashley, and. And I've. I've come up with something. Okay. I think if. And again, I'm just. They're throwing this out there. If you went up on the block, that would earn trust with Morgan and Ashley. All of a sudden, they want to go far with you. You'd be guaranteed to stay. And now we can all work together, right? Like, yeah. No, that doesn't make sense. But you'd be guaranteed to stay. I mean, Vinnie, you were guaranteed to stay last week, and I didn't put you on the block. Yeah, but, Lauren, if I don't do this, I'M throwing my game away. Why? What is that? Vince, I used the veto on you when the scariest person in the house was telling me I was throwing my game away for you. I understand that, and that's a good point. But. But this is different. You're guaranteed to stay. Come on. Come on, Lauren. Think. Just think about it. No. I'd be really upset if you did this. Vince. Vince. Hans, go home. But not this time. You gain allies if I do this. Why do I need to prove myself by going on the block? Because you put them up, Vince. You. Vince, you're already trying to take out one of my allies. I. I don't want to be on the block next to them. Oh, my God. You don't. You don't see this at all. No, I'm sorry. It. It doesn't make sense. Why? Why doesn't it make sense to you? It's too risky. Wow, this is really hurting my game. It would be the best move by far to do this. You don't see it. It's the only way. No, Vince. They'll vote me out. No, they would not. She wouldn't do that to me. She would not do that to me. She's gonna keep you. And I swear to you, like, at the same time as this, Morgan and Ashley are talking and agreeing at this point, because they're watching them talk. It's already been like a half hour. They're like, at this point, if she does go up, we're voting her out. We're voting her out. There's as they should way they would do that. There's no way. There's absolutely no way, Lauren. She would not do that.

[Kirsten]

It's so bad. And like, we're at final seven. This, like, this is. We're in the end game. The game ends in two and a half weeks. If that, like. What are you talking about, Vinnie? What. What are you doing? What is the reason?

[Taron Armstrong]

I just. I need to reiterate that I am not like, most of these are quotes.

[Kirsten]

It's. It's blatant. It's blatant. It's direct. And here's the thing. At least Lauren is self interested and said don't put me on the blog. And that puts her well ahead of many of the other people still in the house for gameplay, which is. You hate. You hate to say it.

[Taron Armstrong]

It's.

[Kirsten]

But yet. Sorry, please.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's so. It's just so very clear that Vince is. Is desperate to get her to agree and she's Not. And he keeps pressing and he keeps pressing, and she's starting to break down at this point. I just. I just feel like I've lost so much in this game, and if you put me up. No, don't do that. I just. Vince, won't it look like you're playing Morgan's game if you put me up? But it's the only way, Lauren. It's the only way. You. You really don't see how it could help your game by competing? That's stupid. For who? For me. I'm gonna say something out of emotion. I. I feel like everything I say has no gravity whatsoever. No, don't say that. I just. Why can't I just not use the veto to gain trust? Because that's not enough. I just. I. I think this is bad for both of us. I would look stupid, and you would lose respect from everyone. No, no, no. Because if. If you go on the block, you lose one ally, but you gain two more. It's. It's two for one. It's by far the best game move for both of us. I need to show you. I need to. I need to show that I'm not gonna pick you every time. Now he. You know, he was almost onto something here, because if he had just said that she can't trade one for one, he would have had a winning argument, but he didn't. Remember Keanu's brilliance.

[Kirsten]

What more could you say? Two for one. Two for one. It works. And I just want once. Once again, I just want everyone to think about the fact that Vince is 34 years old and Lauren is 22 years old in this conversation. I just. I think it bears repeating.

[Taron Armstrong]

And we're about an hour in at this point, and this is going to get. This is. This will get you both on the same page, finally. How does me going on the block gain allies? I'm gaining. Yes. You're gaining allies. No, Vince, I'm not going to be convinced otherwise. I am not dumb. Okay, well, I'm not gonna do it then. I was just. I was just ready to go to war and play Bolt, but I'll just throw my game away and, you know, my not being able to get you guys on the same page, I'll. I'll just go sit in the HOH room by myself for the rest of the day because they're. They're not going to talk to me.

[Kirsten]

Good. I wish he would. I wish he would.

[Taron Armstrong]

They're really gonna be that upset with you? Yes, Lauren, it makes sense. It makes sense. It's such a good move. I'll. If. If. If I do this anyway and nothing bad happens, will you still be upset? Yes.

[Kirsten]

Really?

[Taron Armstrong]

Even if it works out? Vince, my mind hasn't changed since the beginning of this conversation. There's really no way you'll even think about it. No.

[Kirsten]

Hour in, they've talked with us for an hour, and he's like, please, what.

[Taron Armstrong]

If I did it anyway? Would you. Would you forgive me? Would you vote against me? Would you. Come on, would you forgive me? I would be really, really, really upset. Would you forgive me, though? Why? All right, well, this was my last ditched effort. You know, I'm hurting my game so bad that I'll be going home. But, you know, I. I shouldn't have even won this week. I'd be better off if I was on the block right now, you know, just. But I don't know. What. Come on. What if we. What if we just did it? What if we just. Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Come on, let's do it, people. Come on, Lauren. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. No, Come on. Come on. No. Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, let's. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. No. Come on. It's gonna work. It's gonna work. I promise it's gonna. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Kirsten]

No, no.

[Taron Armstrong]

Come on. It's gonna work. It's gonna work. I promise. It's gonna work. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. No. All right, I'm. I'm throwing my game away then. Okay. Come on, though. It's guaranteed. It pays off in every way. Vince, they want me out. No, no, it's. They don't. It's guaranteed. It's by far the best game move me. And it's the best game move for you. This is going to work. No, Lauren, you're guaranteed safe.

[Kirsten]

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.

[Taron Armstrong]

I'll say please 100 more times. This is the move. We have to do it. Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Come on, let's do it. Oh, shut up.

[Kirsten]

She should have said shut up to him so much sooner. Like, so much sooner. And it's like, what's irritating? What's the most irritating, besides the tone and demeanor of this adult man, is if you Want to do it? Just fucking do it. Like you can. You're hoh. You haven't made your nominations yet. They have not called this nomination ceremony, I assume out of a personal vendetta against the live feeders for being mad about the dumbass twist last week. So you could just do it. You literally have the power to do it. So just do what you want to do and then you can deal with the fallout later and maybe earn a crumb of respect from the others who, at this point, I don't think like or respect him. So, like, come on.

[Taron Armstrong]

I. Again, I think that there are people who. Who have not paid attention to the feeds, who are not looking, who are not watching, who are not reading about them, who are going to think there's absolutely no way that I'm not, like, exaggerating or creating like a some kind of, you know, condensed reenactment of the vibe that these are quotes I am doing what they. Watch it. Please watch it. I mean, it will hurt you, but it's so.

[Kirsten]

It's so, so tough. And it's like all. All he has to say is, it's final seven. I inexplicably need to nominate three people. So sorry. You wouldn't be my first choice. You wouldn't be my second choice, but it's your turn to sit on the block. I hope you win the veto. Bye. You don't need people's permission to do all of this. And, like, yes, I get it. Finney has all these final twos, and he's trying to do, quote, unquote, damage control, but all he's doing is creating more damage and showing that he has no control, even when he's hoh. It's embarrassing.

[Taron Armstrong]

So it goes on like that. It's. It's hours that he spends begging, pleading for permission. He does not get it. And eventually the feeds go down for the nomination ceremony, and when they come back up, he has not nominated Lauren. He has nominated Keanu, Ava, and Kelly.

[Kirsten]

The fact that Kelly is still in the house to be nominated makes me sick to my stomach.

[Taron Armstrong]

So now, of course, Morgan is pissed, and this is going to be a whole situation. There's an initial reaction, of course, which is, wow, Vince, I feel like I'm your number two now. I'm pooping my pants. No. Did you. Did you. You were talking to her for hours and you didn't. You barely talked to me. Did you. Did you tell her that I was pitching for her to go up? No. I mean, she probably assumed. Wow, Vince. And they get into it. It starts to get heated. But then Ashley joins them and kind of plays mediator for a little while. And the whole time, of course, he's looking like a scolded child. I didn't mean to. I regret it. I, I was an emotional decision. I tried really hard. It's like, what do you mean you tried hard? Why did you need her permission? I just, she wouldn't listen to me. She wouldn't listen to me. I should have just done it. Just done it. Morgan's like, I can't even. I need to go walk. And then Ashley talks to him for a while. Afterward, she tries to play a little more neutral, like, hey, I'll talk to Morgan for you. I, I, I think it was the right move. I think that she manipulated you, Lauren. Lauren manipulated you, Vince. But I get, I get it. I get it. I know I should have just done it. She's like, well, I mean, I assume you're not putting her up on the Renam. Then it's like, no, no, I will. I definitely have to put her up on the renom. I'm not gonna put up you. You know, I was really frustrated with her today. She wouldn't see my points. Ashley's like, yeah, yeah. You know, I, I think that makes sense. You know, I think I'll talk to Morgan. But she is gonna be pretty unhappy with you if you don't put Lauren up as the Renam. You know, I think the maze planted a seed of distrust. And, and this is now, like, now it's grown into a plant because of this. But if you, if you, you know, didn't put Lauren up on the renom, that, that's gonna be like a full tree, you know? So he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Ashley eventually leaves, and Vince talks to the cameras because they've been telling him, Lauren, she hasn't touched the block. She's going to win the game. He talks to the cameras after Ash leaves. Whatever, man. Lauren's gonna beat me in the final two. I don't think she will. I, I still beat Lauren. I'm still gonna go to the end with her. I can beat Lauren. It'd be stupid if she could beat me. But I should have nominated her. That was the best move. I should have nominated her. That was best for my game. I should have done it. I should have just done it. Oh, my God. Why am I always in these situations? I should have just nominated her.

[Kirsten]

Why are you in these situations? Again? Perhaps it is your own actions. Once again, I like no accountability. Just no accountability. Just crying. And I'm, and that's not, I feel like I just want to be so clear. It's not that there's a problem with being emotional or crying like those things are. It's normal and it's good for people to feel emotions. But, my God, the only emotion he seems to feel comfortable with is shame. And yet he behaves so shamelessly at the same time. It's so strange.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yeah, it's. And again, it's just like this is. He's talking to the cameras. He genuinely. And it. As if it wasn't obvious before, he genuinely was desperate to put Lauren up. He regrets not putting Lauren up. And, and so that is where he stands. Ashley, of course, goes back downstairs to Morgan and just continues to fan the flames here. Ashley's like, yeah, Morgan, I, I, I know this might hurt to hear, but I think he wants to go to the final two with Lauren. I think he thinks he can beat her, and that's why he wants to keep her here. That's why he didn't nominate her. And Morgan's like, well, he'll find out if he can beat her. He'll find out if he does that. Let's, let's let him do it. Let's let him find out. And she says, you know, actually, Ashley, he told me that Lauren asked him for a final two and that he said, he said no. Come on. Nobody turns down final twos. Nobody says that to a final two. And he also, Vince also has a final two with me, but I'm starting to think that he wants to take Lauren and not me. She's like, yeah, I don't. I think so. You know, and obviously I'd love to go to the final two with you, Morgan, but I've, I've kind of understand you probably want to take Vince. He's like, well, I don't know anymore. I don't know anymore after this, after his actions. I just don't know. Ashley also plants some seeds about Keanu this week. She thinks that it's best to keep Keanu this week over Kelly. She much prefer Kelly leave. She thinks Kelly leaving weakens Lauren, so that's why they should vote it. You know, Keanu not that bad. Keanu is more easily manipulated. You know, nothing bonds you with Keanu more than a common enemy. And that's Lauren. And Morgan's like, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. But let me tell you, if Lauren's up on that block, we're, we have to evict. Her. And she's like, yeah, of course. We can't tell Vince that, though. We can't tell Vince that because then he won't put her up in the block. He'll put me up on the block. I. I know. I know, but I. I'm gonna evict her. Yeah, I know, but we can't. We just can't tell Vince that. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I'm just. I'm gonna evict her. Ashley's like, well, I think if I win the veto, I think I should take Ava down and then force him to choose between you and Lauren. Lauren's like, oh, I would love that. He'd need to choose. Exactly. And there's not a day in hell he chooses to put up you over her. Well, Morgan says. Morgan, but there is a day in hell he chooses her over me. Every time. Ash is like, yeah, right, right. But. But there's not a day in hell he puts you up. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And. And if he thinks. He thinks I won't vote out Lauren, he's out of his mind. Yeah. Yeah, I know, but we can't tell him that. Can't tell him that because he'll put me up. She keeps trying, but it's. It's so clear that Morgan is not willing. She's just too heated.

[Kirsten]

Listen, when the veto competition is the Illinois state bar exam, you know, or is that where she is? She in Chicago? I can't remember. Maybe she's in New York. Whatever. Whatever stage she passed the bar in. When it's their bar exam questions, then what?

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Spotify that's greenlight.com Spotify Lauren ends up hanging out with Vince in the HOH room for a bit and they're just chilling and Vince notices that Keanu is talking to Morgan outside of the HOH room. He's like, oh, I wonder what they're talking about. I bet they're talking about me. And he goes and he puts his ear to the door and he starts to like open it a crack to see if he can hear. And he like gets caught doing this. Morgan ends up coming in. He starts questioning Morgan about like, what was Keanu talking to you about? And she's like not nothing. He's like what? What was it? And it's this whole ordeal. Eventually Morgan leaves and Vince and Morgan start having the conversation.

[Kirsten]

And you know, more than a conversation, it was a, a feature film. You know.

[Taron Armstrong]

They start talking about this whole Keanu situation. Like what was he saying? Like why? What were. What were you guys talking about? You were talking about me and Morgan's like, do you see what's happening? Vince, I'm here to talk to you about us. And you're trying to talk to me about Keanu. I was just curious about what he was saying about me. Well, okay. If you'd rather talk about that than us, then sure. Okay, so what did he say? And so then they talk about what he said. It's not important. They eventually get to talking about. About us. Morgan says, you know, this is getting really difficult for me because I feel like I'm playing the game with someone who doesn't want to play the game with me. What? No, don't say that. They start going over all of the logistics of why he picked Lauren and why he's constantly doing all this stuff, and it's. This goes on for a long time, and it's not interesting because it's all the game stuff. And then eventually she goes, vinnie, I am begging you to look at the book you're reading. Because he's believing what Lauren is saying, but all I can do is believe what's being told to me. Vince. I'm supposed to just sit here and be okay with how you treat me? When I. When I cried to you about how you made me feel on that maze. That night we were on the hammock when we laid it all out, and you promised me that you would never make me feel that way again, that you would attach to me. You made a joke about it, that we would make decisions together. All those things and every chance you've gotten has proven otherwise. Specifically today. You were basically rushing me out of the conversation we were having because you were more concerned to speak to her. To her. I don't know how to explain my thought process. Do I not protect you at all costs? I'm guaranteeing us. I'm guaranteeing us. She could put me up and send me home, Vinnie. I just don't see that happening. She almost did it last week. If I didn't win that veto, Vince, I was going home. Yeah, but she. She threw the. No, she didn't. Vince. I just keep replaying that hammock moment over and over, trying to believe what you say, but your actions keep proving differently. Morgan, she's not going to take you out. She competes next week, Vinnie. And you don't. It looks to me that you would rather. You would rather keep Lauren safe and happy and put me in harm's way and assume I would forgive you because I've Always done that. That sounds like a Keanu line. I'm your number one here, Vince. I honestly, I think you want her to be your number one. No.

[Kirsten]

Why?

[Taron Armstrong]

What value would that bring? You always protect her. I don't know how. Just because I've won some hohs. What else have I done to protect her? What else have I done to protect her? I don't even understand what you're saying. I don't know why you're almost smiling, Vince. I'm. I'm not, I'm. I didn't mean to. I'm just trying to change my demeanor because apparently I cry all the time. I'm not trying to smile.

[Kirsten]

I'm sorry, I just, you know, Morgan clocked him because he, he does this thing all the time where he will deny like half of what is being said to him and then think that he's being sneaky and getting away with like not actually denying the other parts when he's not even really lying. But he's got shit eating grin. Why are you smiling at me? Why. Why are you smiling when you said. And this is so just like end of a dying long term relationship coded. It's crazy how much they've speed ran this in the house because it's really only been a couple of weeks.

[Taron Armstrong]

Like end of a long term middle school relationship specifically.

[Kirsten]

Well, I mean, with his tone and demeanor. Yes, but like, just like the drama of being like, they're not. They don't start out like lying in the bed. Obviously we haven't. We haven't gotten that, that part yet. But like just the like, okay, you live together, you have this close proximity, but you are pissed and you are not happy. But you also feel like you can't like fully disengage because of the circumstances. But also you're so mad and so everything is so fraught and you have to hit every point over and over and over again. I gotta admit, as a woman who herself wasted seven years of her life on a. Not the right person, this is very triggering for me.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yeah. She says it just sucks so much, Vinnie, that we spend more time now trying to get on the same page than hanging out. But you can hang out with her all the time. Why am I the only one trying so hard to make this work? To speak to your point. No, don't say that. That's disrespectful to say that. That's not what's happening, Vince.

[Kirsten]

Disrespectful to say that. Act like someone worthy of respect, Vince. Act like someone Worthy of respect.

[Taron Armstrong]

Vince, I knew you weren't going to put her up. I knew it the second I saw the way that you were talking to her. The body language. You guys were giggling together. I thought I was making progress. I don't know why you need to hold her hand and walk her to the block and sit her down and give her a blankie and a bottle and pat her back while she's drinking the milk.

[Kirsten]

Lost an airpod down.

[Taron Armstrong]

It's not. Oh, no, it's not what it is. She's. It is. It's Ashley. Ashley's fanning the flame. Vince, I cannot. Don't. I know Lauren doesn't like me.

[Kirsten]

It's not.

[Taron Armstrong]

I just relate to Lauren. She's not some schemer. She's not good at the game. I don't think she wins anyway, regardless. Okay. Okay. Go ahead and take her to the final two then, Vince. No, it's not what I meant. Go ahead. Go ahead and bring her to the final two, Vince. See if you win. Go ahead and see. Go ahead and see, please. See who wins the 750 that. Please bring her to the final two and see who wins the $750,000. Vince, please, I just, I don't want you doubting me. It's. I feel like you're breaking up with me in the game. I'll. I'll do it. I'll renom her. Is that what you need me to do? Is that what I need to. I'll renom her. Vince, you've done a lot of deflecting instead of trying to ask questions and fix things in this conversation.

[Kirsten]

Okay?

[Taron Armstrong]

I, I, I want to give you my full attention. And, and I want to have this conversation with my head on my shoulders. So you haven't been giving me your full attention. She gets up, she stands up. No, no, I'm not asking you to leave. No, no, please. I, I just need to be careful with how I phrase things now.

[Kirsten]

Breaking up with me in the game, Crazy. I want to give you my full attention. Also. Crazy. Like, how do you communicate with like, I want, I want to. I want to, but I just can't. Shut up.

[Taron Armstrong]

I just, I need to be. I need to be extra careful how I phrase things now. But I just, I just want to be with you. Can we just be together in the game? Nope.

[Kirsten]

Like, he's, he's, he forgot to say at that time, but I guess he's not being so careful with what he has to say.

[Taron Armstrong]

She says, sure. And so she sits back down on the Bed and lays down like this.

[Kirsten]

She's got a blanket around her.

[Taron Armstrong]

If you're watching the video, this is how they are sitting for the next, like 20 minutes. So that's. That is their current status.

[Kirsten]

Was that. Was that only 20 minutes, Taryn?

[Taron Armstrong]

Well, it felt so long. It gets to this eventually.

[Kirsten]

Of course. Of course, yes.

[Taron Armstrong]

So. Oh, I lost my place.

[Kirsten]

Oh, no.

[Taron Armstrong]

So she says, sure. And she gets on the bed and she says, you know what else, Vince? I don't even. I don't even know what you do with a Renam. And that makes me sick. You know what they say? Fool me once. No, don't say that. Don't. Don't finish that.

[Kirsten]

Don't say that.

[Taron Armstrong]

You know. You know the rest of it. I know, I know. So you're saying if I don't put her on the block, you're probably like, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're going in the right direction. I don't want to lose you, Vince. I don't. But if you force. You're forcing my hand. I'll. I'll renom her, then. I'll renom her. I'm not gonna risk losing you. That's the scariest thing I've ever fucking heard in this. In this game. I hope you don't mean that. Like, I hope you don't mean that. This is so scary to hear you say that. Ding dong. It's Lauren at the door. And he starts wiping tears and then pretends to be asleep in bed in this position. And Lauren walks in with some snacks. Hey, guys. Oh, are you. You guys sleeping? Like. Yeah. Yeah, we're. We're. We're all sleep sleeping. It's like, oh, yeah, I guess. I guess everyone's sleeping or they just don't want to talk to me. Don't say that. It's okay. I'll just go back to. I'll just go back to wandering. I'll let you guys sleep.

[Kirsten]

No, it's literally like, mom, dad, can I. Can I make the tater tots? Can I turn on the. Am I allowed to turn on the oven.

[Taron Armstrong]

And they get back to it? Of course. Morgan, I want to be with you more than anything in this. In this game. Is that really what you want? Yes. Why? Because I love you. You're my best friend, you know? You are everything to me in this house. You were exactly the person I wanted to meet in here. You were exactly the type of ally I wanted. I don't know, Vince. And it keeps going from There.

[Kirsten]

Yeah. And it's. Cannot emphasize enough how long Vinnie and Morgan were. Were talking in. In the hoh bed.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yep. And of course, like, Lauren came back down, told people they're sleeping there, and they were like, they're not sleeping.

[Kirsten]

I. But, but. But Lauren kept saying, like, she did not give it up. Everyone she encountered, she's like, yeah, Vinnie, Morgan are sleeping video, Morgan are sleep. Like, everyone.

[Taron Armstrong]

So while that conversation is going on, Ashley's talking more with Keanu and she's prepping him. She's. She's saying to him again, trying to do more work on ke, like, hey, so I'm thinking, like, I really want to use the veto like your plan. You know, use the veto and force him to choose. And K's like, yes, that's what I'm saying. And. And he's like, well, and obviously I'd love for you to use the veto on me. But she's like, yeah, you know, I mean, we'll figure it out. Like, I think, you know, either way, you know, you know, I'm a vote to keep you and. And so on and so forth. Keanu is then like, I'm gonna go see if they're really sleep. And he gets up there and he has a conversation with Vince and this is just. It's more. More stuff. I'm sorry. Apparently. I'm sorry for scoffing at you. I don't mean to. I don't mean to do it. You scoff at me. You do do it.

[Kirsten]

And this crazy, because Keanu saying, oh, I don't mean to scoff at you is I feel the same rationale as Vinnie being like, well, I wanna. I wanna be with you and I want to work with you, but I don't. You know, like, it's. It's the same two sides of the same coin.

[Taron Armstrong]

And so they talk about that. He's saying, listen, I'm. I'm not trying to scoff at you. It's just that sometimes people are making decisions that are so stupid. And I'm trying to be like, explaining to you. And. And it's sometimes it's like, am I the stupid one? Because that's the thing with Lauren last week is that apparently, because she was trying to tell me that she didn't want me to leave. And I was like, that's so stupid. Then you. Why would you put me up? Because Vince is more guaranteed to stay. But apparently she really did want to backdoor me last week. And if so, why didn't she just tell me that then that it's not stupid if she was trying to backdoor me, you know? And it's like, I feel the same way with you, Vince. It's like, am I the stupid one here? Like, I'm not trying to scoff at you, it's just, you know, it's just like involuntarily it happens when you're saying these things to me.

[Kirsten]

Said, I wouldn't scoff at you if you weren't so fucking stupid.

[Taron Armstrong]

And he says to, he says to Vince. You know, honestly, Vince, the way it looks is that you're trying to protect Lauren so that you can bring her to the final two because you think you can beat her. And let me tell you, if you think you can be Lauren in the final two, you've got another thing coming. And that's the second person in hours to tell Vince he's a joke if he thinks he can beat Lauren in the final two.

[Kirsten]

Lauren doesn't like that. I'm sorry, Vince doesn't like this. He thinks Lauren is irrelevant. Just his number one. His number two. Sorry, not his number one. His number two dot can't believe it's number two.

[Taron Armstrong]

I'm sweeping my pants.

[Kirsten]

No, stop. I dare it. I'm taking the soundboard away. Why? This is probably like the worst I've felt in a really long time and I can't shake it. Why, God, why?

[Taron Armstrong]

Oh, so that's, that's really like, listen, that's the night and that was the day. I, I, I genuinely, I, I did my absolute best. I apologize to anybody whose ears are bleeding at the moment or anybody who can't get through these conversations. I'm just, I'm genuinely just trying to do my best to convey as much as possible what it was like to watch the feeds yesterday. But even, even what I've given you today couldn't remotely come close because this was only an hour and it was, it was like eight hours of this stuff. It was non stop and it was so long. And the length of it is part of it. And that's why the people who are not watching just, they cannot understand just how bad this man is at the game.

[Kirsten]

It's. If your ears hurt, think about our ears. You know, think about the, the people bravely watching live feeds every day to get the full picture. You know, it's, it's tough, it's tough out there. I do think it is important to note Vinnie and Keanu were only able to have that conversation because Morgan was finally called to the diary room. Thank God, because I do not think that this. It would. It would have never ended.

[Taron Armstrong]

She went and she went back up there and she slept on the daybed. And then I didn't catch this part because despite what I write wrote in my book, I don't watch them sleep. But apparently it was production who said, morgan, you're actually not allowed to sleep on the daybed. I don't know if this is true, but at some point, eventually Morgan went into Vince's bed, and some people said it's because production told her, but she's been allowed to sleep on that bed before. So if. If. So production's really being quite shady here. But she gets into the bed, and as he proposed, you know, she was like, I'll sleep, you know, head to foot. And he was like, no, you don't.

[Kirsten]

Have to, because that's the thing. He will always. Benny is like, give me an inch. Give me an inch. Give me an inch. He gets that inch. He's like, it's not enough. I need more. Let me continue pushing and breaking down this boundary of appropriate behavior. And like, not. It is wild that Morgan is the one who got the zing about the relationship. When Morgan's single, Morgan, you know, she knows Vince is in a relationship, so she shouldn't act like this. But she also doesn't owe Kelsey anything. Vince owes Kelsey to treat her with respect and not be behaving this way with another woman. Like, but of course, you know, Julie Chen Moonves's show is always going to blame the woman, so never mind.

[Taron Armstrong]

Yeah, so that's. That's where we are. That's where we stand. Keanu, Ava and Kelly are on the block for the game. As it stands, Keanu, Eva, Kelly, they will all take themselves off the block, obviously. And that leaves Vince to name a Renam. He is currently promising up and down the absolute world that he will 1000% put Lauren on the block. And there is a strategic push here for it as well, one that Ashley and Keanu in particular have cooked up, which is if Vince wants. Or really it's mostly Ashley. Like, if Vince wants to guarantee that Kelly or, you know, Keanu ends up leaving, he needs to put up a competitor on the block for the. For the blockbuster to prevent Kelly from winning the blockbuster. And so the problem is Morgan was not shy, despite Ashley's warnings about saying that she wanted Lauren to leave this week. So he's saying he will renom Lauren. But Morgan is also making it clear because she wants to have her cake and eat it too, that she not only Wants him to renom Lauren. She also wants permission to vote her her out before he puts her up. Ashley keeps trying to tell Morgan, please don't tell him or vote her out before, tell him after. And so we'll see if anything happens there. Then you have the Lauren of it all. She did talk with Ava and Kelly about the veto because Kelly was like, you know, ideally, you win it and you can take one of us down. And Lauren was like, yeah. And Kelly started staring at her because then you'd be safe and we'd be safe and we could maybe all make it through the week. I was like, meanwhile, Ava, when talking to Lauren is like, frankly, it is what it is. I get you're in a tough position with the veto, so whatever you want to do is fine. And. And so Lauren is still theoretically on the fence about the veto situation. Of course, she should absolutely 1000%, without a shadow of a doubt, win the veto and use it. Force Ashley or Morgan on the block, and it would be Ashley and potentially keep all three of her allies into the final six. Like, of course I can't.

[Kirsten]

Why would anyone want that, obviously.

[Taron Armstrong]

But will she actually do it is another question. Given that she threw the veto last week, she's very, very scared to do anything in particular. So she did make promise, and so it's gonna be hard for to not, you know, she was essentially, she had to make the promise. She didn't want to go up on the block. And so now that she's made the promise, she may not do it. But. But we'll see. She certainly would like to play. Ava plans to pick her. Kelly plans to pick her. Keanu is going to pick Ashley if he gets the opportunity. Ashley did also talk to Ava, maintaining that relationship as well. And so heading into this veto, a lot is on the line, especially for Lauren. She is in a lot of potential danger this week if the veto is used. If she does not win the veto, like Morgan wants to use it. Ashley is a little bit like, if you use it, I could go up. So let's be very careful. Ashley certainly would use it if she wins. She certainly thinks that would be happy to use it. Keanu, Ava, Kelly would use it on themselves, potentially putting Lauren on the block. Lauren winning also has its own ramifications, but if Lauren goes up, she is in significant danger to go home. Morgan and Ashley basically locked in votes to vote her out. That's two. If Keanu's the one that comes down, that's a third. Vince can't even do anything about it. If, say, Ava or Kelly comes down, then it could maybe end up being a tie. If it's like Lauren versus Keanu or something like that. And then it would be down to Vince, and he's being convinced that he can't beat. People are trying to tell him he can't be Lauren in the final two. That's the only reason he really wants to keep her around at this point. So, you know, all kinds of stuff happening here. All of it rests on the veto, which will happen today. And we'll have, of course, plenty of analysis tomorrow about what all of it means.

[Kirsten]

Yes. There is also the point Kelly has mentioned potentially using the veto on Ava instead of herself. Just, of course, like, we don't know if it will happen. We don't. But just want it to be on the record in case for whatever godforsaken reason, that's where we end up tomorrow morning. I just want it to be said also, Ava is really motivated for America's favorite player at this point in time. She's really, really trying. And she's saying it, too. Like, yesterday before. Now I'm. She's like, if this outfit doesn't win me afp, nothing. Well, and I would just, you know, go look at the outfit. It's on. It's on social media. You can see it, and you can judge for yourself if. If you think that outfit would win America.

[Taron Armstrong]

I mean, she's Paul levels of your girl. Your girl's in trouble. Again, America to the cameras, like.

[Kirsten]

And we're like, nobody's listening. We don't care. I just. She's two steps away from being dressed as a little boy, a little lad who loves berries and cream. Yesterday. That's. That's all I'll say. Two steps removed.

[Taron Armstrong]

There you go. All right. Anything else to bring up from yesterday?

[Kirsten]

You know, I think. I think that we covered it all and thank you for truncating it, because I was scared people yesterday. Like, Updates can be 3 hours. I was like, okay, well, we're just two human beings. We're just two people.

[Taron Armstrong]

Listen, it's this. This update was so much work.

[Kirsten]

Listen, you don't. You don't get it if you aren't actually watching the feeds. Taryn is going to need medical help at the end of this season.

[Taron Armstrong]

Also, who. I've been wearing this for, like, an hour. It's hot. Like, I don't like it. Who could wear this all the time?

[Kirsten]

You don't even have to wear the beanie, Taryn. You just have to straighten your Hair one time.

[Taron Armstrong]

I'm not doing that. No.

[Kirsten]

I. That is my wish for these last few weeks of the season. I would die to open up YouTube one morning to watch my. My little live feed update, watch my show, and you straighten your hair.

[Taron Armstrong]

I wouldn't do that to my hair.

[Kirsten]

I would cry, laughing, cry, laughing.

[Taron Armstrong]

All right, well, that is what we have for you today. I'll of course, be back tomorrow morning at 11am Eastern to update and everything that happens today on The Big Brother 27 live feeds, including who wins this very important veto. And then of course, tomorrow night, there's no episode, so we'll continue through the week with some live feed updates. And. And you can find me over on Twitch, YouTube and Patreon hanging out, doing streams, talking about the show, talking about other shows, doing all kinds of content, and of course, the book as well. It's a book. This is a physical book. But you can also now get an audio book narrated by me and not Vince. So thank God.

[Kirsten]

Thank God for that. So check out the audiobook on Spotify too.

[Taron Armstrong]

You don't have it is also audible. Spotify. Libro FM is the place I get audiobooks because you can basically pick like a local bookstore of yours and they will get the commission for that sale. So you're supporting independent bookstores by getting audiobooks on Libro fm. And the link for that is also on my website. Taryn, I'm strong. And that's about. That's about it. Kirsten, what do you got going on?

[Kirsten]

Yeah, you can follow me everywhere at Kirsten said what? You can listen to Mess Magnets where myself and Sasha Joseph talk pop culture, celebrity gossip, trending topics, all that good stuff as well. This upcoming Tuesday, Love Island Games is returning. So Scally and I will be covering [e-mail] and you know, if people are feeling charitable, you've got a few extra bucks. I am doing a 5k in 3 weeks for breast cancer research. And so the link to donate to that is in my pinned post on Blue Sky. Don't worry, I would never ask for money for myself. Just for breast cancer research, please. And. Yeah, that's it.

[Taron Armstrong]

All right, well, that is what we have for you then today. Thank you all so much for joining us and I will see all of you next time. No, no, don't say that. Don't leave. Don't leave. Limu Emu and Doug, here we have the Limu imu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds of. With Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug Limu. Is that guy with the binoculars watching us? Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings Ferry. Unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.