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BB27 Saturday Live Feed Update September 20, 2025
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Today, Taran Armstrong and Cory Wurtenberger talk through the live feeds for Big Brother 27!
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Taryn
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Corey
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Taryn
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Corey
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Taryn
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Taryn
Every morning Daring Armstrong talk Big Brother Looking at the stuff from yesterday. All the drama, all the strategy and silliness from V O2H O H.
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Corey
Every.
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Taryn
Single season you know, Joey is the reason you know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello, everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 20th. I'm your host John Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday. The big brother 27 live feeds. It was day 74 in the house and so a lot, a lot happened. More than we sure would happen, but not as much as what could have happened, but a lot, a lot happened. A lot of things. And with me, talk about the things. Corey, how you doing, Corey?
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Corey
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I signed up for a measly nominations live feed update and what I got was a nominations and veto update. What a deal for me. So I'm excited to break down what we have to break down in the present and maybe a little bit in the future.
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Taryn
Well, Corey, you know what they say.
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Corey
What's that?
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Taryn
Expect the unexpected when it comes to Big brother live feed updates and big brother live feeds. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's how it goes. All right.
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Corey
That's a one liner of the season. I'm sorry.
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Taryn
I don't know.
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Corey
Pooping my pants. So.
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Taryn
So as you know, we are at the final five. Vince has won the HOH after Keanu got overconfident in the competition and just botched it. Which means that Vince is safe. He is playing plan was to nominate Keanu and Ava to keep Morgan and Ashley safe. Ashley would be a renam if Keanu or Eva were to win the veto. Keanu, of course, did not expect this because how could he? And was very upset about learning about this plan the night before. And. And that's. That's really it. Coming into the day, there really isn't even that much for Keanu to. Because he's already made his pitch. He's already made his plea. Now what I will say is that Keanu's still under the assumption that he might not go up on the block initially, that it's just that Vince won't put up Morgan and. And so that's kind of a funny thing that he has to continue to learn over the course of the day, but. But not really going anywhere.
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Corey
I feel bad for Keanu. I feel like if they played them dodgeball during the endurance comp, Vincent Keanu would have gotten bonded just enough to keep Keanu safe. But you know, production always going out of their way to hurt Keanu's chances.
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Taryn
Truly. Yeah. Why aren't. Why. Yeah, why won't they. Why Won't they? They could have played what was that movie about stepbrothers or whatever.
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Corey
Like, it's just crazy. I feel like they've designed the past five competitions for Keanu to win, and the only one he got was the booth quiz.
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Taryn
Right.
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Corey
To make sense of as a comps.
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Taryn
So Keanu spends the morning kind of talking with Ava and Ashley. Ashley is considering her options because she is going to be left off the block in her mind. And so she's starting to consider if I do win this veto, somehow I can use it on Ava or Keanu and then we can vote out Morgan. Is that a good move for me? Is a consideration for Ashley? She's willing to do it if she. If it is a good move for her. We talked about this yesterday, actually. Like, could Ashley could theoretically do this? Is it good for her? I think what I would. What I said was, like, I would probably do it because why not Hail Mary. However, the things that she is considering are valid, which are if I do this, heading into the final four, I'm basically like, prime target. Like, you know, maybe they need to take out Keanu over me. But. But, like, I'm. I'm gonna need to win another competition at final four. Beat Keanu somehow. Beat Vinnie somehow. It's gonna be a tough road to final three. And then nobody's taking me to the final two once I get to final three. So I need to win that comp too. And so it banking on comp wins when that really hasn't been her strength so far. On the other hand, if she keeps Morgan around, then, you know, she has a much cleaner shot to final three. But can she get to final two? Can she win? And so she's kind of debating this back and forth in her mind.
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Corey
Yeah. Not to hearken to my season too much, but it feels like Bowie's double eviction HOH takes the shot at Matt and Jag and then her road to the end becomes very dangerous where it was almost secure if she just stayed the course. And for Ashley here, it's like, at a certain point, you got to win the game. I think there is a path. She just sticks with Vincent, Morgan. Vince cuts Morgan knowing he's going to lose, and then she could squeak out votes against him. Like, I see a winning path there. So I don't think she'd be like, admitting defeat, not using the veto. But at the final five, this is what the HOH should do. Leave the person least likely to win the veto off the block because that veto holder, if you are off the block, makes the choice. So I do think, you know, Vince is leaning the right way with his noms.
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Taryn
Yeah. And I think, again, like, for me, the decision I think would be obvious if it were anybody other than Keanu, because you save Keanu, you make a final two deal with him, and then hopefully he doesn't take you out at 4. But the problem is, by leaving both Keanu and Vince in the game, Vince would now not Morgan any. Any in the game anymore. You'd have the issue of Keanu just running back to Vince, you know, at final four. And that's just too much of a risk, I think. But it actually kind of sucks if you win the final five veto and then you don't do anything with it when that's like your first comp win in 70, you know, 70 days, it's like, oh, you, you know, you want to do something to express some power as we get toward the end. But that's what Ashley's considering. And in the meantime, Vince and Morgan are just, like, basically doing a victory lap, or at least Morgan is as she's kind of like, they're doing the thing where, you know, you see this in big brother all the time, actually, with, like, the, the will they, won't they, when they finally get together, they start talking about, like, the story of how they got together immediately. Like, remember when we first met and then you did this and then, oh, remember when you voted to keep me? And so they're doing that but like, with the game and not explicitly about the relationship, but a little bit about their relationship. And, and also Morgan is occasionally throwing in a yeah. And then remember when you picked Lauren over me? Remember when you were going to bring Lauren to the final two?
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Corey
It was like a couple that's breaking up, like, right before. They're like, there were some good times, though. But they're back now. Look, here's the thing about relationships. A couple comp wins. All of a sudden, you're back. And I've said it on Chappie seed to, to a lot of criticism. This is Jackson and Holly in a weird way. You know, it's not, it doesn't resemble them physically or personality wise, but, like, this is the end game we get, not the one we deserve.
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Taryn
I, you know, I, I, I feel like if especially the trading winds back and forth, I think is Jackson and Holly, but I actually feel like setup wise more Drew, Diane. Although I don't think people want that ending.
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Corey
Oh, wow. Who's cowboy?
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Taryn
So, so they're busy Doing that, we eventually get to the nomination ceremony and everything goes according to plan. Vince nominates Keanu and Ava, leaving Ashley and Morgan off the block, which means that Ashley does have this opportunity to make some kind of move if she wants to. And. And you know, it's really just going to come down to this veto. If Keanu manages to win the veto, he will be safe going into final four where he has two chances to win. Eva will likely be gone, and it's. It's still anyone's game if Keanu loses. I said yesterday, if they take out Keanu, I think Morgan basically wins the game because final four hoh plus veto for her to compete in the final four vetoes basically designed for her to win up against the competition she's up against. And Vince is still basically saying he's taking her to the final two, even to the cameras. And so this is. There's a lot riding on this competition. I think that this is basically could be for the entire game here.
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Corey
Yeah, it could be. And the Final 5 veto is very unpredictable, whereas the Final 4 veto is very clear who's going to win that. And the final three joh is often very predictable as well. So, like, this is the last moment for an Ava, for an Ashley to get that win to, you know, prop themselves up to the jury or give themselves agency to do something. Because the problem is like, yeah, they could win the final four hoh. That doesn't do much. It doesn't move anybody. So, like, this is kind of make or break for everyone in the game. It is especially make or break for Keanu, literally speaking. And hopefully it's something in his wheelhouse. Right?
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Taryn
Hopefully. Right. We get to the veto competition, surprisingly, it happens immediately. And I say surprising. It wasn't that surprising. We were anticipated to spend anticipating a sped up week, but we weren't necessarily anticipating that the veto would be this. This quick. But it did happen same day as noms very quickly, especially because the noms did take a while to get to also. So I was like, oh, maybe we're not doing veto today. But then there we go. And so we discover that, listen, they were like, keanu, we. We tried so hard. We gave you an hoh that was designed for you to win. We can only do so much. The Final 5 veto was tiny veto. And that's not a good one for Keanu. In fact, it's not a good one for anyone except for Morgan, who won the final five veto. And just like that, Keanu dead in the water.
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Corey
It's pretty Crazy. I feel like post final, seven past five seasons, there's been, like, four veto winners combined. Like, the same people win every end game veto. Last season, it was just MJ winning everything. Before that, it was just jag. This season, it's just Morgan. Like, at the end of the day, like, even if comps are equitable, I think tiny veto is a pretty equitable comp. Some people are just better at equitable comps, and Morgan is one of those people. And, like, I think what I enjoy about this outcome, it creates a lot less ambiguity in terms of, like, who's going to reach the final two potentially or who has a shot to reach the final two. But it makes the argument for people needing to cut Morgan, especially Vince. Like, it is very black and white at this point. It is cut and dry. You have to cut her if you have any chance of winning the game. The question is, will anyone even get the chance to cut her? And right now, it's not looking likely.
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Taryn
Yeah. And that's what Keanu is saying. He's. He's so pissed because Vince could have kept him safe. To be clear, if Vince had nominated Morgan and Ava or Ashley, Morgan wins the veto. She can still take herself down. Vince could have renamed Ava or Ashley next to the other one. Keanu could still have been safe if Vince had actually been working with him. But he put Keanu in the line of fire. He didn't even nominate Morgan, let alone keep Keanu safe. And it's funny because Keanu keeps talking about this like, vince screwed me this week. And people keep saying Morgan would have won the veto anyway. You still would have been gone. Because they don't even understand how delusional he is to have thought, oh, no, you think you might have not been on the block at all. Like, they think he's just talking about he should have nominated Morgan with me. No, no. He's saying he should have nominated Morgan and one of you guys.
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Corey
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me four. I could go on for an hour. I think Keanu here's. Let them speak from Vince's perspective. I think for him, he's like, yeah, I do have to get rid of Morgan. I understand that. I also have to get rid of Keanu, so why not get rid of the easier person first on my emotional state? Right. It's like, I don't actually. He can't win against either of them, so you got to get rid of both of them. Morgan ends up Winning this veto anyways. I think retrospectively he probably makes the right call. But for Keanu, Keanu expects to be off the block. Morgan would win, take herself off, and then get replaced with Ashley. He's just playing a different game to what reality has, so it's unsurprising. This is his perspective.
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Taryn
And Vince is, of course, blaming everyone but himself. You know, Kelly. Kelly and Lauren both told me that you were gonna win in the end if you got there. So I. I needed to do this and that. So now Keanu's like, why would they do that to me? Oh, it's so lame. Like, leave me alone. He's also pissed about the competition. Tiny V, another stacking comp.
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Corey
Really.
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Taryn
He's. He's really one to complain about the. The kinds of competitions he's getting.
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Corey
Oh, my God, Taran. The amount of Facebook chirping for. Why is there no blockbuster at the final five? Taryn, this is so stupid. Evictions are so predictable. We're going to get a unanimous vote at the final five. I could just wait for it. Just one more week of blockbuster. That would have been the sweet spot. And.
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Taryn
And he just lays into Vince, and it's the, you know, third time in as many days that somebody has done so as. As they're leaving the house. Vinnie is. And Vinnie's just, like, taking it, but, like, also smirking, doing his smirking thing, and. And, like, trying to talk to. Because. Because Keanu is just like, I can't believe you did this to me again, bro. Like, Rachel warned me, and I didn't listen. You've burned me so many times. And Vinnie's just like. I mean, it was. It was good playing the game with you. I don't even think you were ever playing the game with me. Well, it was good being in the house with you. Then I guess it was like, dude, my closest ally's closest ally was a bug. Rachel was right the whole time. I put my faith in you over and over and over, and you disappointed me every time, bro. I've been shunned by every single person I tried to work with. Sorry.
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Corey
This doesn't move me at all, Taryn, because I know if Kiana goes to the jury house, Rachel's going to tell him something. Keanu's going to be like, I don't think so. I. I don't. This is not, like, up. At the end of the day, Rachel was right. No Keanu in this moment is upset at Vince. And I just think, in general, like, Keanu, with Vince, you can Only see the signs so many times. And I think Keanu is blinded by Vince in the same way that Vince has been blinded by a lot of people this season. Keanu's reads and, like, his general landscape of the house has been one of the more accurate ones, which is crazy. But everything relating to himself is so wrong. And because he kind of always thinks about himself, all of his game has been wrong from day one. So, like, I think it's a very, very poetic way for Keanu to leave losing a competition he should be guaranteed to win because of his arrogance. Then he gets a veto that is not suited for him. He whines about losing that veto and loses at the hands of Vince. Like, I think the storybook is pretty perfect.
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Taryn
Yeah. And I mean, you know, we've been saying it all season long, but Keanu just clearly has a. A bias toward men that. That makes him feel like they are so much more likely to tell him the truth and. And want to work with him and want to bro down. It was the same thing with Riley. He constantly talked to Riley about, like, bro, you're going to have to choose Catherine of, you know, choose me over Catherine. She's going to have to go at some point. And he thinks he can do the same thing because, like, people are like, oh, it's because Vince isn't actually. Vince is a girlfriend. Keanu believes in Vince having a girlfriend too much.
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Corey
No, no, no.
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Taryn
Keanu thought the same thing with Riley would talk to Riley, the I would die for her guy, and was like, she's going to have to go and thought that that was chill and absolutely would be. If Vince had chosen to Riley to stay over Vince and Riley was about to win this game, Keanu would be doing the same thing. He'd be going to Riley and being like, bro, I chose you every time, and now you're choosing her over me. Like, what the hell, bro? And it's just like, yeah, dude. Like, please. Like, there's so much for you to learn when you get out of this house.
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Corey
There's a lot. And I don't think he's going to learn it. I don't think Keanu's gonna be the type of guy who's gonna be, like, warding off any criticism. Like, I think he'll be willing to hear people out, but he's also going to have his perspective and his lived experience, and you don't understand how much we bonded and stuff like that.
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Taryn
So especially when he wins America's favorite.
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Corey
So, oh, I'm guaranteed by a Historic margin we haven't seen since Donnie. So, like, I. I think everything that needs to be said about Keanu has been said. I do think what's interesting is, like, what could this mean for his potential voting for Vince in the end, he definitely is giving us some indications. It's just. Do you believe them? Yeah.
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Taryn
He's very much telling Vince he is not, like, you know, she's going to beat you, bro. You know, she's, you know, she needs to go. And he's telling Ashley and Ava he's not going to vote for Vince, specifically telling Ashley because Ashley does some jury management with him that if she can get there, he's not voting for Vince. So she's got his vote. And as you said, who knows how real this is? I think it's real for him right now, and I fully believe that he will vote for Morgan over Vince. But if Vince were to cut Morgan to take Ashley, I don't know that he's a locked in vote for Ashley, but we'll see. Maybe.
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Corey
I agree. You never know with jury votes. I just think, like, there has to be a point where Vince might feel like it's getting futile winning in the end. He's had too many people go up to him and promise they're not going to give him his vote. And maybe he's in delusion land where, like, oh, Ava and Ashley, like, they're exceptions, though obviously I get their votes over them. But. And this might sound extremely frustrating to viewers and longtime fans of Big Brother, but, like, at a certain point, $75,000 is a lot more than your jury stipend. And it's not like the most ridiculous thing to feel dead in the water and say, give me that check.
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Taryn
And like, I. So because a lot of people like, will Vince cut Morgan and. And I think we can talk about that a little bit. There's a little more from the day we'll go over. But as I said yesterday, with Morgan winning this veto, she should at this point be the lock on favor to win the game. And that's again, because she has two chances at immunity at final Four. HOH is not going to be a given, but she has at least a 33% chance it could be what the bleep. In which case it's a bit of a crapshoot. She might lose that. But the final four veto is so consistently something that requires agility to, to some degree, an amount of, like, speed that she will have an advantage over everyone else left in the game. She's good at quizzes. And so she'll have the basic knowledge needed plus the speed. She's a definite favorite to win that. And even if she doesn't, Vince is the number two at the final four veto, most likely person to win. And there's no shot he's cutting her at final four. We don't even have to talk about that. We'll talk about final three. But there's no shot he's cutting her at final four. So between her and Vince at the final four veto, odds are very heavy that she survives it and heads to the final three. She's a lock to make it to part three in the final three. Hoh. She's good at quiz competitions. She has a very good chance of winning the part three final three Hoh. Just straight up. And even if she doesn't, number two would be Vince. As long as he's there, which is very likely. And Vince is giving every indication that he still plans to take Morgan to the final two. He said as much in his camera talk the day before, and he is basically alluding to as much not only to her, but to the cameras throughout the day yesterday as well, the way that he is. Because here's the thing. He's pretty bummed that Morgan won this veto and that he didn't because he really wants to, like, win more comps than her. He really wants to have won more competitions than Morgan and have the loyalty angle. He. Because he's thinking about being in the final two with her, that being his end goal. And so he's pretty, like, bummed through the day. Later in the night, he's, like, called to the doctor and he's like, oh, you want me to cry about having not won another veto? And. And I think he's upset because he again, plans to be in the final two with her. And think about it, right? Think about it from Vince's perspective. The guy's blown up his entire life to be with her. The idea of cutting her to get to the final two with someone else sure could theoretically sound appealing, but then he will have blown his life up for maybe nothing. And at this point, he's not even a lock to win against either Ava or Ashley. He could cut Morgan, ruin that, having ruined everything else, and then still lose to Ava or Ashley. And I think he would literally, like, curl up into a ball so small, he would just, like, fall into himself and become a black hole. Like, it would. He would die.
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Corey
Yeah. I mean, it almost reminds me of, like, Cody, Derek, and Victoria, where, like, obviously Cody makes the Worst move of all time, taking Derek to the end of Victoria. But you know what he's thinking is, I'm going to cut Derek and then lose to Victoria and all of this is going to be for nothing. I screwed up everything. I'm going to lose. Derek is my best friend. And of course you zoom out and you're like, that was a ridiculous decision. Why would you do that? But I think the worst case scenario, the weight of that is really something that like every Big Brother player experiences. And Vince obviously is like a very like, doom and gloom kind of player. So, yeah, that's worst case scenario. You cut Morgan and still lose. I just think if you're a player like Vince who theoretically is supposed to be like a super fan of the season. Right. That's. That's his mold. I think the regret of not doing something is from my perspective, the regret of not doing something is a lot heavier than the regret of doing something and it not working out. But he also has a lot of personal elements wrapped in with his regrets. So, like, that's when it gets complicated.
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Taryn
Yeah. And I mean, think about it, right? Let's say Vinnie does cut Morgan at the final three. He takes. Let's say it's Ava. That's really risky because Lauren, Kelly, Morgan, maybe if she's pretty pissed off about this, that's at least three probably like he. He would need so many. Keanu might vote for him. Maybe. Maybe Rachel does. But will. Will's voting Ava there. I think, like that's. I think Ava for sure. Not for sure, but I think Ava has a very good chance of beating. Beating Vinnie. I think he has a better chance against Ashley. But that also is. Is rough because Ashley doesn't have Lauren and Kelly locked in like Ava does. But as long as Ashley's able to pull like a. A spurned Morgan vote, plus say Rachel will in. In maybe Ave and Ava. Ava's like very anti Vince. Ava would, I think certainly vote Ashley. Keanu might still vote Ashley. Ashley could still potentially win there. So he really is looking quite dire at the moment. And I think he would much rather have option one and. And you know, be with Morgan. I think that's where his head is at right now. And he's frustrated because he knows that being in final two is his only play. He. And he's just trying to stack up comp wins. Who has a better resume against her?
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Corey
I think the thing that Vince needs to realize is like taking out Morgan himself is like a seismic move. Like that is like a game defining narrative defining move where like everything is looked at through a different perspective. If he cuts Morgan, it's very similar to like Steve and Vanessa, right? Like this could be something that does shift the entire jury's dynamics, but it also could not. So I do understand him like focusing on that aspect of it much more than, you know, the, the positives that could come from it. But like, again, there's, there's a legitimate argument to just saying, like, lock in the 75, 000 because I really, really struggle to see Vince winning this game against anyone at this point. And I saw people comparing him to Paul, which is like, maybe in terms of not winning the jury vote, but Vince's jury management, like he's somehow done both where he's taken no credit and has all the blame, which is like, how do you end up there?
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Taryn
Yeah. Yeah.
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Taryn
Favorites at participating McDonald's for a limited time. So yeah, the question becomes like, so that's where we think things are going. Morgan the very likely winner. The question then for me becomes is there a way for, for Morgan to not win at this point? And the answer of course is, is yes. In the same way that like, I mean Chelsea had basically won the game as soon as she took out Quinn. But there were a couple of scary moments and comp wins were ne here and there. But, but Morgan has, I think two primary sources of losing the game. One of them is if Vince decides to cut her at final three, which you never fully know. Like I don't think he intends to right now, but it's Vince like, you know, but I don't think it's super likely. I think number two option number two is we talked about that final four veto if somehow Ava or Ashley win the final four veto. Now all of a sudden it's a whole new ball game because even if Morgan is safe, even if, because they would just evict Morgan if she's, if she didn't win hoh. But even if Morgan did win HOH and they win the final four veto, they're cutting Vinnie. And now all of a sudden it's Ava and Ashley against Morgan in the final three hoh one of them guaranteed to make part three. And that's just, that's just a quiz. And if it's Ashley, Ashley has performed fine in quizzes against Morgan. Morgan has out competed her. But like that could come down to a somewhat random tiebreaker where Morgan's doing math about seconds. You know what I mean? Like all of a sudden the entire game changes if the final four veto is won by Ava or Ashley. So theoretically you're looking at like a 50 chance. We just know that the Final Four veto has pretty historically, especially in the last like five to 10 years, been very. Not 10 years, but very similarly this like hybrid physical mental thing that Morgan is just so likely to win.
- [35:37]
Corey
Yeah. I mean, they switched the HOH and veto for the double eviction, giving us like a veto as the HOH and then a booth quiz is the veto. So, like, do that again, please give us the booth as the. As the veto comp. I just wanted to toss a scenario at you, Taryn. I was thinking, like, what can Ashley do outside of comp wins? Because relying on just winning the final four veto or final three hoh, it's like, yeah, sure, hopefully. Is there any world where like this week she rallies to save Keanu to get Vince to turn on Morgan, get her to evict and like, have Keanu and Morgan going after each other and even if it flops, I still think establishing yourself as I want to get rid of Morgan might still be good for Ashley even if it fails. You know what I mean? Just to like put herself out there strategically.
- [36:26]
Taryn
I was thinking about this because I do think that Ashley's in a really rough spot. I'll. I'll still maintain. I think Ashley is the best strategically minded player there. Obviously Morgan has far outcompeted her and. And had a better social game. But. But like, Ashley is still thinking strategically and that's why she's considering cutting Morgan if she was considering cutting Morgan if she had won this veto. But like, yeah, how does she actually win here? Because this is what I was thinking of. Even if she does make it to the end with Ava, that's looking a little rough because again, you have Kelly and Lauren locked in votes for Ava. You have, I think, Vince locked in for Ava because Vince hates Ashley and in order to get there, Ashley will have either had to betray Morgan herself or Ava will have done it and gotten the credit for it. So maybe losing Morgan's vote or something like Will. Someone like Will who likes them both might be like, well, Ava did it and it's like it starts to look really sketchy for Ashley. I think she can be Dava, but it's definitely a lot sketchier than you would like considering I think the. The gulf between them in terms of their gameplay. So then it's like, okay, so then does she have to be in the end with Vinnie? I think she actually has a better chance against Vinnie. So how does she get there? Well, she needs to be able to cut Morgan somehow, obviously. And that just requires winning competitions, convincing Vinnie to cut Morgan. At the final three would be very impressive. But again then he gets the Morgan slayer credit on his resume. I think there's a very good case that she can make that, like between Vince and Morgan, they've won like 15 competitions and I won one. But I'm the one sitting here because I had to, you know, change the way that I played the game. And I'm a lawyer. If she can pull out some like Taylor level speech, you know what I mean, like, maybe she can sway some votes. There are a lot of people that like her on that jury. So I think that that's really her best shot. But if we are saying like fully no control over the competitions and the competitions go in the way that they are likely going to go, which is Morgan just wins them all. The only hope is to convince Morgan to take her to the final two, which would be an impressive feat alone, and then be able to argue that Morgan was the competitor that she used to crack open the whole game. Would the jury buy that? Probably not. But that's. I think like that is the level of difficulty in terms of the win by social. Strategic. Strategic alone. Scale. And that's what Taylor managed to do. That's why Taylor's so impressive in that way. But it's definitely. It's a tough road.
- [39:19]
Corey
Yeah. But I think it's like, what if Taylor was in the end against Michael instead of Monty or like Turner, you know what I mean? Like, I think that's the problem that Ashley might encounter where like being there against Morgan is kind of tough. Right. Like I. If I'm Ashley, that's. That can't be an outcome if it ends up competitions wise and you're. You gotta just get there. I understand. I think that's why if I'm Ashley, I'm making the play this week and that, that plays to keep Keanu because from my perspective, and granted she can't keep Keanu, she doesn't have the numbers. But try to keep Keanu with Vince as the tiebreaker. The reason being, the only people I believe she can be in the end are Vincent, Keanu and even Keanu. Like, it seems unlikely, but I see a path there more clearly than Ava or Morgan. And again, like, I think the only reason why I'm for this move that I genuinely think would not work is because it would establish Ashley as like a player trying to do something which we know from the outside she's been doing all along. But the jurors view of Ashley, every single sign we've received and there's Only a few of them, but it's all we get. It's bad. Will's talking about Ava. Rachel's calling her a floater. Anyone who funnels into jury isn't going to have glowing things to say about Ashley. Like, I think this is like, we're literally at code red do something mode. And, you know, I. I have faith. If Ashley thinks it's optimal, she'll do it.
- [40:40]
Taryn
And I mean, this is the thing about Ashley as well. She knows all of this. This is like anything you can say about Ashley, she probably knows it, which is part of why she. Why we talk about her as a. As a good, strategic player. And she's kind of just like, I don't think I want in this game. I'm gonna try, you know, but she's like, listen, if Morgan wins this thing, good for her. You know, she deserves it. Like. But she is gonna try to take Morgan out. She is gonna try to get her way to the end if she can. Yeah. I mean, trying to keep Keanu this week, I think is. I mean, obviously it's. I think that's basically impossible. She'd have to convince Morgan to do it. There's absolutely no reason for Morgan to do it. And even if then she did, I think that, like. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, I think that's very tough, especially because the eviction is very likely, they think, today. So there's not even a lot of time to make that happen. They thought it was going to be last night. They thought it was going to be instant or immediate or something. And then they were like, no, no, Unique. Unique was the word. So. But I think we're expecting it to happen today. There's not really any reason for it not to. And then they'll be prepped for. They'll have plenty of time to edit that in for Wednesday and then get more competition set up for like the final four hoh and everything.
- [42:03]
Corey
Yeah, I agree. I mean, the. The most clear cut way for Ashley to reach the end is just Vince takes her cuts Morgan and people hate Vince like that. That is a real path that she has available to her. It's.
- [42:15]
Taryn
I think that's most likely win condition.
- [42:18]
Corey
It's just such a no agency path because like what I taryn those live feed updates of Vincent Morgan at the final three when they're both playing in part three. I. I mean, that might be even more checkmate than anything else for Ashley.
- [42:33]
Taryn
Yeah. Yep. And again, Ashley knows this. She talks to Ava. They say they know they need to win next Week. If they have. If they want any shot of winning very much. Talking through the different ways that they would obviously protect each other at final Four. They would evict Vince if they. If Morgan is hoh. They would evict Morgan if she's not. Keanu ends up joining them. He helps them study. He's like, you know, rooting for you guys, essentially, specifically Ashley. He asks Ashley if there's any chance that she'll keep him, and she basically, no. Sorry. Sorry. And she does tell Keanu that he's gonna find some things out after he's evicted. That will make things. Help. Make things a little bit, make a little more sense. And. And like I said, he does say that he would be voting. He won't be voting for Vince no matter what in the final two. That just the amount of times that he lied to him unnecessarily and the way that he played the game, he just doesn't respect it. And he would not vote for Vince. We'll see how much that holds. But it is certainly implying that. That he. And. And I think, again, I think right now he's telling the truth. Right now, he. He doesn't want to vote for Morgan. He would love to vote for anybody but Vince, and so he will vote for Morgan. But I think he would happily vote for Ashley if. If she somehow managed to take. Or if she somehow managed to get to the end without Morgan.
- [44:05]
Corey
Yeah. And I think just these conversations are just so good for Ashley. Like, it's just good jury management. And honestly, the most active thing she can do at this point is have people like Keanu leaving the house thinking higher of Ashley's game. Right. That's, like, really the only path. And the same thing with maybe if Ava leaves next week. So, you know, I think she's doing everything she can, I think. As for Keanu's jury vote, it's just like, look at Ashley vs Vince. Ashley says Keanu, I think it makes more sense to evict you. I'm sorry. At this point. Whereas Vince, even yesterday was like, kiana, maybe I won't put you on the block. Like, everyone would respect Ashley's approach more. And this is not even Ashley being a blunt, Ashley being straightforward. This is just, like, the normal human thing to do. Like, at this point, there's no reason to lie. She understands that and is not lying. And I think Keanu legitimately does respect that.
- [44:55]
Taryn
Yep. I also. Listen, we also have to talk about Ava a little bit. She has never stopped gaming. Well, okay. No, that's not the right way to say that she has constantly stopped gaming, but she always does. Does get to some gaming at some point. She, I think, sort of goes between sleeping all day, not caring about the game to occasionally, like, when given the opportunity, like, well, yeah, I mean, you should choose, like, I'll do what's best for me. She's been trying to work on Vince, sort of at the direction of Ashley. At one point, she says to Vince, you know, you can't beat Morgan. Reisa, frankly, I got some bad news for you, Vince. You're losing to her. I know. And. And she also tries to sneakily kind of get. Get in there under Ashley, talking to Vince about how, yeah, you know, frankly, Ashley's gonna be trying to work you, uh, to. To choose her over me. Final four. And Vince is like, I know.
- [46:07]
Corey
It's like, I'm just the secretary. You can talk to the boss later, see what Morgan has to say about this.
- [46:16]
Taryn
So, you know, Ava's trying. I don't think this will work because she's trying with the wrong person.
- [46:25]
Corey
Yeah.
- [46:28]
Taryn
But, you know, she's. She's trying. And. And in the meantime, of course, Vince is hanging out with Morgan. They're talking more about option and how nervous it makes them. And, you know, Vince is worried he's going to feel very lonely outside of the game, and people are going to really, you know, Morgan's going to be so popular and she's not going to want to hang out with him. And, you know, then they. They're. But they're happy and he's, you know, they're dominating the game together and so on and so forth.
- [47:01]
Corey
You're never lonely when you have legions of BB fans in your DMs criticizing you. So don't worry about that, Vince. Know what Ava and Ashley need to do? Brain blast. Taryn. Go to Keanu and be like, Keanu, please go tell Vince that you'll vote for him to win over us. Like, it is so harmful to them that everyone's saying, yeah, Ava and Ashley also beat you, like, genuinely, they could be like Keanu. If you actually want us at the end, just go to Vince and say, yeah, I'm not voting for those girls. Are you kidding me? They've done nothing. And I genuinely think that could be. Turn the tides.
- [47:33]
Taryn
Absolutely. Yeah. It's you. You should absolutely be doing stuff. Like, I mean, because. Because Keanu is at a point where he has nothing to lose or nothing to gain, I should say. And. And knows he's dead in the water here, so this is the perfect opportunity. Like, this is. This is one of those moments. There usually is one in a season. It's usually around this time. Dan did it with Keisha really effectively. N did it with Corey very effectively. When you are able to. And those were, like, tight allies of theirs. But, like, when you're able to really, like, take somebody who knows they're going and doesn't blame you for it, and you are able to talk to them before they go to the jury, make plans, get them to be on your side, get them to be your advocate, it can be extremely effective heading into a final two scenario. So, yeah, the more you can do to. To talk to Keanu about this, very little to lose on your end. What is he gonna. He's gonna rat you out that you're trying to jury manage, like, okay, Morgan doesn't plan to take Ashley to the final two anyway, you know, so I think it's fine.
- [48:46]
Corey
Also, she has to get in front of the judges information, which I think is what she was doing with Keanu earlier, of saying, you're gonna see some stuff that might illuminate, you know, where it's like, make sure that he knows you were actually not loyal to them and that you would have gotten rid of Morgan. Like, she needs to make that very clear when he gets this new information dropped on him. I don't think she could do it yet, because then Morgan, Vince might turn on her. They're winning all the comps. She'll just get forth. But definitely in the goodbye message, like, she's got a drop. Like, yeah, I'm in the judges. It's kept me safe. The judges had to go, and they just kept winning competitions. That does not sound like a goodbye message. I've ever seen production show somebody, but, you know.
- [49:25]
Taryn
Yeah, so that's basically it. Some people have talked about, like, will Keanu tell Morgan about the veto plan? I don't think he even remembers, to be honest. I don't think he thinks. Because, again, Keanu, like this, the information that, like, a man might choose a woman over him is. Is very fresh in his head, and he has not considered, like, what the ramifications are of that throughout the season. He's not thinking about, like, you know, oh, all season long, you've been playing me. Wait, that means that what was, like, what was going on with the veto then when we came up with that plan? He's not thinking on those terms. He's thinking about, like, right now, I'm screwed, and stupid, tiny veto. And you were never with Me, Were you? I don't think it's crossed his mind, and I don't think that he's gonna say anything because I don't think he's gonna think about it.
- [50:19]
Corey
No. And just a natural thing, a big Brother at this stage is when you have a dominant player like Chelsea, Morgan, Jag even right at this stage, most other players who are, like, on the way of getting evicted are rooting hard against that person. They're desperately doing anything to get that person out of the house. They're sitting in jury hoping they walk through the door, but that doesn't mean they're not going to vote for them. Right. Like, they almost want the hardest path to be overcome, and they're like, all right, you got to give it to them at this point. So, like, I don't think Keanu has any interest in helping Morgan giving Morgan more information. I think he wants Morgan to get fourth place. But if she's there in the final two, what are you gonna do?
- [50:58]
Taryn
Yeah. All right. Anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday, Corey?
- [51:03]
Corey
Nah, just shout out to the season. I think we're at the boring stage. A week left of the season. They made it a long time. I'm actually very, very impressed. This season's been awesome, with two crazy decisions being the white locust and just the blockbuster existing as long as it did. But the cast, the boot order, the comp outcomes, to the most point, it. It's all delivered. I think this is, like, simulate the season 100 times. This might be one of the best versions we get. So I'm pretty happy with it. And I think this end game, hopefully this final four vita provides a final bit of intrigue.
- [51:36]
Taryn
Yes. So that's. That's it. There will be an episode tomorrow at 10pm Eastern. This will be the. The endurance competition. I imagine they're gonna try to make a bit of a meal out of Keanu's error because that was really supposed to be Keanu's win. And ultimately, like, dodgeball is Keanu's clown shoe, I think, at this point. So we'll see what happens in that episode. I'll, of course, be streaming Twitch, YouTube and Patreon. I'll be back tomorrow morning at 11am Eastern to update you on everything that happens today, which may be the eviction. Keanu may be gone by the time we talk tomorrow, and then we will be one week away tomorrow from the finale of Big Brother 27, where right now it's looking like Morgan will take it, but it will depend on a couple of these end game competitions so stay tuned for that. That also means is just about one week left or so. If you want a signed copy of behind the mirror. Taranomstrom.com make sure you head over there and order one. There's the audiobook available as well. And yeah, one week away. It's wild. Corey what do you got going on?
- [52:58]
Corey
So this is my last update of the season, so let me just thank you Taryn for for having me. I'm a Twitch tv. Corey Wurttenberger I'm watching all the Big Brother stuff. I'm sure I'll start watching Survivor and begrudgingly the Amazing Race big brother edition. Patreon.com americori we watching big brother canada 5 doing post eviction stuff. Just, you know, normal Patreon stuff and that's about it. Other than that I'm just doing law school so won't see me too much. But it's been fun.
- [53:27]
Taryn
Taren yes it has. All right, well thank you all so much for joining me here today and I will see all of you next time.
- [53:43]
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