B (3:27)

I'm doing well. I must say, this is incredibly awkward, Taryn. I did not know this was a live feed update. I. I brought my veto. I got my six pack. I thought we were just gonna have a fun night, the two of us, but what are you gonna do?

A (3:40)

Maybe if you didn't pick America over me every single time.

B (3:43)

It's not every time, Taran.

A (3:47)

Excuse me. Do you remember all of those nights I had to watch you on the live feeds?

B (3:52)

Sorry, I shouldn't have interrupted you. I'm gonna let you finish. Taryn, look at me. I will always pick you.

A (3:59)

I feel like you're not even listening to me right now, Corey.

B (4:01)

You're not even at the conversation. We're wasting the acted out lines. We're not even there yet. Oh, yeah, we'll get there.

A (4:11)

Oh, boy. Listen, I promise we, we will not be going too deep into. Into it because it's all. It's a same stuff. But there's plenty more nonsense to talk about today from Vince and Morgan. Of course, as you know, Vince won the hoh. He nominated Keanu, Ava and Kelly, much to the dismay of Morgan, who is very upset. They had a whole argument about it the night before. And we come in today with of course, the dilemma of what will happen with the veto. And as you can probably already tell, something happened with the veto that we'll get to. So that was really the, the. The story in the morning was first of all, who's going to be picked for the veto. And then we came back from the veto draw to discover that Lauren was in fact picked to play and that Keanu picked Morgan instead of Ashley. This is because Keanu's goal is to get Lauren on the block and he believed that if Morgan had. If Morgan won the veto, she would use it and that Lauren would go up and obviously Ashley would too. But Morgan's a better competitor and so he felt like there's a higher chance that the veto will be won and used if Morgan wins it, even if it's not used on him. He just wants Lauren on the block.

B (5:50)

Yeah, you always have to be very careful when you make promises about things that can be proven right. Like obviously Keanu talked to Ashley saying that he would pick her so Ashley could win the veto, take him off, and then Vince has to Pick between Morgan and Lauren and all that, which was a really fun idea until he gets Houseket's choice and doesn't do it. So, like, when you make these promises and then when you fail to fulfill these promises, that's a problem. Not to mention, picking Morgan by itself is probably a problem. So, like, I had a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around that decision, but you have to, you know, put yourself in the Keanu headspace, and that's just a tough thing to do.

A (6:25)

Yeah. And this is the thing. Keanu is. Is almost as focused on getting Lauren on the block as Morgan is. Except for Keanu. He should be considering his own safety right now, which is that, like, if Lauren goes on the block and he stays on the block, now he's competing against both Kelly and Lauren in. In a blockbuster. And if he's on the block against Lauren, it's a guaranteed tie where Vinnie is breaking that tie. And it's like, you. You really want this to happen because I don't think you should want this to happen.

B (7:05)

There's even more layers to it because now also picking Morgan because she's more competitive in the veto. That's why you picked her. Now she has a better chance of beating you in the veto. Not to mention, you know, Lauren in the blockbuster is a much steeper, much steeper competition. Whereas in a scenario where the veto is not used now all of a sudden, you're competing against Kelly and Ava feels a lot more doable. And, you know, a guy like Keanu at this stage of the game, we're at the final seven. I appreciate that he's not thinking, I'm just going to win out. That's the goal. But knowing B.B. straw, I wish, like, that is what he should be doing, but he's not there.

A (7:40)

Yeah, you know, Keanu making poor strategic decisions. What is new? So Ashley is the only person sitting out of this veto, which is quite unfortunate for us because it would have been very fun to. To see her win it and use it. However that is where things stand. So with Morgan now playing in the veto, not only playing, but having been chosen by Keanu, the. There's a rising fear in the house that this means that Morgan plans to use the veto on Keanu and force Lauren on the block. And that fear is not being alleviated by the fact that Vince is pulling Lauren into a conversation and saying, yeah, so if the veto gets used, I might need to put you on the block.

B (8:33)

Why can't these three work together? Vince, Morgan, and Lauren. I don't understand Taryn. Like, it's just. It feels so arbitrary. You know, they're all. They all have the same interest.

A (8:41)

Lauren, she's so desperate to get you up. It's so frustrating. Also, why aren't you working with her?

B (8:48)

And later, Morgan is like, it is frankly insulting that anyone in the house would think I would take off Keanu. And it's like, okay, maybe that's a bit too much.

A (9:00)

So, of course, Lauren is like, I do. I would still prefer not to go on the block. Vince. And he's like, no, no, yeah, that's fine. I. I'm not gonna do it. Don't. Don't worry about that. He also has a long conversation with Kelly. They have multiple long conversations in the day where, you know, he's essentially, you know, just. It's there. They've had the same conversation for the last, like, two months, which is like, hey, remember when we used to be friends? What used to be? Aren't we still friends? Sure. Events. And so he basically gives Kelly the heads up as well, like, oh, they're really gonna want me to put up Lauren. I don't know. And so Kelly runs this back to Ava and Lauren. And Ava is now hearing for the first time that Vince, like, is potentially gonna put Lauren on the block. And she loses her mind that she is way more upset about Lauren potentially going on the block than she has ever been about herself going on the block or will going on the block or any of her other highs. Because it's. It's the. It's the utter, like, inhumanity of it. It's the utter weaseliness of it that this guy Vinnie the freaking lip, after she used the veto on him, kept him safe last week, would dare turn around and put Lauren on the block. She. She's incensed.

B (10:31)

Yeah. And this was the final straw for Ava. After this, she storms through the house, makes a ton of new alliances, flips things in her favor, and sets herself up for the end game. So I'm glad this was the impetus for Ava to really, you know, take charge of this game. But, you know, we'll get to those conversations.

A (10:47)

Sure. Yeah.

B (10:49)

Someday.

A (10:52)

Kelly has a whole subplot here where she's like, ava needs to chill. She can't tell anybody what. What she's feeling, and she has to go and calm Ava down. And then Ava's eventually, like, don't. Don't tell anybody. I'm upset. And then she goes back to Lauren. Kelly goes back to Lauren. She's like, ava said to not tell anybody. So that was close.

B (11:18)

You know, Ava has moments.

A (11:20)

Yeah. So that's really the drama prior to the veto competition. We get to the veto competition. We come back from the veto competition pretty quick one pretty early in the day and we discover that Morgan has won the power of veto. For the third week in a row, she has won the power of veto. This goes out to the gamers. Yeah. I'm just so. I'm so proud to be your streamer.

B (11:53)

Streamer representation. Taryn, could you believe it?

A (11:56)

This is for all the gamers out there that thought they couldn't. And no, I'm not kidding. She said those things.

B (12:03)

This one's for my chat. Very, very fun for Morgan. I think, you know, on the episodes we've been lacking some gamer talk for Morgan and I hope this veto win brings some of it back.

A (12:15)

I love how Ashley plans to, if she gets to the final two, like, do this big reveal. Like, I'm actually a lawyer. And Morgan, I assume when she gets to the final two is going to be like, guess what, guys? I've hit it from you this whole time. I'm a gamer. Yeah.

B (12:35)

Yeah. I got a good amount of concurrent viewers, guys. Pretty cool. It's gonna be a. I just can't wait for Rachel to be like, twitch is that same as Amazon streams? Like, okay, that's interesting. Maybe I'll check it out.

A (12:50)

Mario.

B (12:52)

Or trying to describe Apex legends to the rest of the house guests. Like, I. I don't need to see it. Not on finale night.

A (13:00)

So immediately she goes outside. She celebrate, I'm a gamer. Keanu comes out. He wants to congratulate her. Hey, welcome to the three peat club. Welcome to the three peak club. So happy to have you here because he also won two vetoes into Casey. Casey also won a veto for him. So he won three in a row kind of. He's. He's a three Peter just like her.

B (13:28)

Well, later in the night, there's going to be a lot of validating and invalidating of competition. So I don't know where Casey's falls in that equation, but it's not good.

A (13:39)

And of course, they both have the goal of getting Lauren on the block. And he starts pitching that and she's like, if he will put Lauren on the block, I will use this veto. And he's like, that's awesome. She's. But. But in, like, even if you don't use it on me, that's a good thing. Like, it's fine if Lauren goes because he's so set on Lauren going up on the block, even though that's worse for his survival rate here. But they have a long conversation outside about that. And of course, Vince has a problem. You celebrated with Keanu before you celebrated with me, Morgan. And so they have this whole thing. Keanu also goes upstairs and tries to talk. Talk to Vinnie. And Vinnie, of course, before then is like, keanu's gonna come up here and be like, bro, bro, it needs to be Lauren, bro. Why aren't you doing Lauren, bro? And then he comes upstairs and does that.

B (14:40)

It's funny because then Keanu and Morgan are talking, and Keanu's like, I think he's happy to do it. He's down Morgan. I don't know what conversation you have with him. From my perspective, he's all in. I think I did a good job. Which again, just. Just Keanu things. Consistent.

A (14:57)

Yeah, Keanu is up there. And again, like, Ashley has been trying so hard to talk to. I mean, to both Keanu and Morgan at times, but specifically Morgan to be like, guys, if we want Lauren on the block, we cannot tell Vinnie that we want her out. We need to tell him that we will vote to keep her. Then once she's on the block, we can talk to him about voting her out. It's. It's just a simple order of operations. But these people just can't just. They don't hear it.

B (15:32)

It's. It like, I, in very small ways, appreciate the instinct. That instinct being having your cake and eating it too. Everyone wants to backstab and betray Vince in this dramatic way, getting rid of Lauren, but also have Vince be okay with it, which obviously isn't going to be the case. So, like, I think people are missing that middle ground option of you don't need to blindside Vince. You just tell him after the veto meeting. That is totally fine. And Ashley's the only one who sees it.

A (16:02)

You just have a conversation once she's on the block. You know, I've been thinking about it a lot, and I really think Lauren actually does need to go. I'm really sorry about this. You know, you just have that conversation about three times from about 3:00am to 6:00am and you're fine.

B (16:21)

But, Taryn, what if Vince wins HOH next? He can't win it. There's so little drawbacks to that plan. But again, like, you know, they can't just plan on what's going to happen next week in September. They have to plan for, you know, the October conversations, November. So, like, there's a lot more that goes into it than simple BB strategy.

A (16:40)

Yeah. And you know, in the chat, Ashley's saying, but. But doesn't he know that they want Lauren out already? Doesn't he already know this? No, because when he talked to Lauren yesterday, he was like, there's no way in the world they would ever vote you out if they told me so. Even though they were literally upstairs saying, we're gonna vote her out and. And don't worry, we're gonna get to tonight as well. So. No, he does not.

B (17:09)

Well, I appreciate the passiveness of it all, because it's never like, oh, we're gonna vote out Lauren. It's like, if Lauren ends up going, which is like, okay, let's play that out. How. How do we reach from point A to point B? And I feel like that part always gets lost in the shuffle, but, you know, you're just tossing around scenarios. They're not saying anything definitive.

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Visit blinds.com now for up to 45% off site wide, plus a professional measure at no cost. Rules and restrictions apply. So Keanu is up there. He's trying to convince Vince to put Lauren on the block, but not just to put Lauren on the block, to send Lauren home. That, come on, bro, we gotta do this. You know, you've got to put her up. It seems like she's controlling your hoh, bro. It seems like she's really completely just, like, taking control of your game. You know, you can't beat Lauren in the final two or Morgan. But this is the plan, bro. You put her up, you send her home, and then I win. Next week, I send Morgan home, and we're set, dude. And he's just like, I swear to God, this. This man is so snowed by his own broness. Like, he's so convinced that every man will drop every. He had the same thing with Riley where it's like, come on, bro, you just gotta drop Catherine. Meanwhile, the guy was like, I'll. I die for her. And that's basically Vinnie too. I would die for her.

B (19:12)

Imagine if Vince was actually a bro. Like. Like, I don't think that's what I'm saying. It's crazy. Like, Vince is Vince. We know what Vince is. We know how Vince acts. I feel like if Keanu had, like, a. Like, a Corey Brooks or an Austin or someone like that in there, oh, my God. Inseparable. They'd be closer than any duo in this house.

A (19:33)

That's why Zay needed to go.

B (19:36)

Fair enough.

A (19:37)

He believed in Zay, too, and they had ratted him out. He believed in Zach for the longest time. Like, it's just. You know, we've talked about it.

B (19:45)

Something for a second is like, Morgan just all day is talking about the judges. The judges, the judges. I feel like it's as if someone brought up the Burger Boys to Vince right now. It's. It's so frustrating. We're like, I don't know. I think in this house specifically, I've never had a tougher time discerning what is real and what is fake in terms of alliances.

A (20:07)

So Keanu actually pitching to Vince. I want to take out Morgan, like, next week after you take out Lauren, of course. This is worst. This is, again, like, Keanu getting on board with a plan and starting to push it does way more damage to the plan than. Than if he had been against it and pushing against it. And so you can see Vince is like. I mean, of course he's saying, oh, yeah, I'm down. Let's do it. I'm putting Lauren up. And then he goes right outside and talks to Kelly, and he's like, yep, he's already doing it. He's trying to get me to put up Lauren, but I'm not gonna put up Lauren. Why do you. I. I think Vince is incapable of telling the truth. I don't think there is. I don't think I'm. I'm genuine. I don't think that Vince has a truth mode. I think he is always lying, even when he says. The thing is, sometimes he says a lie that coincides with the truth, but in his heart, he's still lying. He's always lying, and that's why it just, like, no matter who he taught, he's just always going to be lying. It's just sometimes those lies are true.

B (21:24)

Yeah, essentially. And. And I do. I think empathize is the wrong word, but I can't think of a better one in the sense of, okay, he puts up Lauren, Morgan's running his hoh, which would be true. He doesn't put up Lauren, Lauren's running his hoh. Again, kind of true. Because how Vince is what convince do to not have the perception of X person is running your hoh, Vince. And I feel like that's what's frustrating him.

A (21:50)

Yeah, well, I mean, I have an idea.

B (21:53)

What's that?

A (21:54)

Don't go. Why can't I do what I want to do?

B (22:00)

He just backs himself into a corner where he's like, morgan, this is my opinion on the matter. Nothing will sway me. Lauren, this is my opinion on the matter. Nothing will sway me. And then there's swayed. Immediately both sides are like, hey, Vince, I think you were swayed. Vince is like, why do you think that? So, like, at this point, I think it's checkmate. Maybe if he puts up Ashley and makes a grandiose speech about how much he dislikes her personally, then people. People will be like, okay, that's Vince's move.

A (22:28)

He. He literally goes to random people like Kelly, and he's like, I'm not gonna let Morgan run my hoh. If I put up Lauren, that would be Morgan running my hoh. And then he goes to Morgan and Ashley and Keanu. I'm gonna put up Lauren. If I don't put up Lauren, that's because she's convinced me that I shouldn't put up Lauren. And it's. And then. And then he has the gall to be like, why does everyone think I'm being. My hoh is being run by other people? It's not fair. I don't want. That's not fair.

B (23:05)

Yeah, well, fair or not, it's happening. And it's happening for the third time in a row. So Vince, things.

A (23:13)

Oh, man. So we had a couple of interesting camera talks from Ashley. She is, I think, starting to recognize that this the same thing that Rachel recognized because actually, very much like picking up where Rachel left off with her game, she got into this weird kind of secret deal with Keanu. She became in. She, like, propped into a better position within the judges alliance. And later in the night, she's even to make a final two with Ava. So she's in the same spot now. In a similar spot now. And now discovering the things that Rachel is discovering, which is, oh, my God, Keanu is a nightmare to work with.

B (24:06)

I thought Ashley wasn't playing. Wasn't that the.

A (24:10)

Well, she doesn't deserve to be here. She's been carried the whole way.

B (24:15)

Just stopping down on that for a second because Vince had a couple of those tirades. He's talking about Ashley about, like, you know, it's so frustrating. She didn't even want to play in the veto. She was Happy that she wasn't picked. And that just frustrates me. Like, she wants to go home. Me personally, I want to stay here as long as possible. I don't want to go home. I'm like, why not? Why not? Vince, there are reasons you'd prefer to stay in the Big Brother house in this world of fiction for other few weeks. But, yeah, I do think Ashley's been maneuvering very well. I think her problem is in some ways, out of her hands. Maybe you could say it's just a social game of, like, there's just a lot of people who have vitriol for her. So, like, while strategically she's maneuvering well, that just makes it harder.

A (24:58)

I. Yeah, I mean, I think that Ashley is actually, like, paced well to make it to the end game, but I do worry for her actually being able to, like, win a jury vote. We watching, like, some of even, like, the Rex, the. The Rachel exit interviews. You know, Rob asked the question of, like, who is who? Which floater needs to grab a life vest? And she was like, oh, Ashley maybe. Is Ashley a floater? And it's like, oof. And Will going out saying he's rooting for Ava, not Ashley. It's like, oh, like, this is brutal.

B (25:35)

Well, I do have a slight prediction. I think this is a big possibility of maybe this is the first season where speeches do influence who wins the game only because I think a lot of these jurors who might be skeptical of Ashley's game are going to be extremely open to information that Ashley's playing a better game than it seems. Like, if Ashley's able to make any case and she's sitting next to an Ava or Ava's tough, like a Kelly or Lauren or anyone, she could just get her friends to vote for her. And I think that is the more conceivable path than, like, the pulling off the mask, revealing she's a lawyer and, you know, explaining her dominant strategic gate.

A (26:11)

Yeah. And she recognizes, too, the easiest path is just win some competitions. She would love to. And I guess if you want to be fair to her. She mentions this in a later camera talk. She's only played in three of the 10 vetoes all season long, and she won one of those. And so, you know, and, like, that's pretty. That's, like, pretty important. Like, vetoes are way easier to win than HOH competitions because you are playing with at some, at times, like, half the amount of people or. Or less than you would in an HOH competition. You know, for instance, Morgan has now Won three vet, has not won a single hoh. Ashley has not won a single hoh, Is one for three in vetoes. And so, you know, not to say that Ashley is. Seems to be as good of a competitor. And she has now lost two blockbusters as well, which is also important to. To because he blockbuster easier to win. Although one of them was. She was never gonna win it, but that's kind of the whole thing. Right. So she recognizes she needs more comp wins. That's important. She talks later to the cameras as well about how now that Morgan's won a third vet, she doesn't think she can go to the end with Morgan. She doesn't think she can beat Morgan in the end. And so this kind of coincides with this idea of Keanu too, where she's like, I'm not sure I can really work Keanu. Multiple times throughout the day, she starts to go, like, do I need to keep Kelly? Like, do I need to bring Kelly to the final two? Because I beat Kelly.

B (27:43)

And.

A (27:45)

Yeah, she's right.

B (27:49)

Well, she's right about beating Kelly. And weirdly enough, like, maybe Vince is the next most beatable after that. You know, Vince, maybe Lauren, like, in a weird way. Ava, who I think we all perceive a certain way in terms of, like, how apt is she as a game player, probably one of the bigger jury threats on the board, at least in regards to Ashley, where they're gonna have a lot of overlapping votes. So, like, in a weird way, I think Ava going this week is not a bad scenario for Ashley because, you know, I think a lot of some players have a lot more wiggle room than others. Morgan has a lot of paths to the end. Ashley, it's like she has a lot of paths to the end just not to the wind. So, like, everything has to be intentional from now on.

A (28:28)

Yeah. And I. I really actually do feel like for Ashley, if she can find a way to keep Kelly this week and maybe even work her way in with Kelly to some degree, you can't trust Kelly with actual information. Like, there's. There's a world where that starts to for her. And I do think Kelly is just the. The lock on favorite for who she should want to be in the final two with. It's just a matter of how. How can she make that happen, especially if she's not winning comps. That's pretty difficult.

B (28:59)

Well, okay, Kelly and Ashley are in the final two. This means Kelly probably went on a bit of a run. I'm just worried after hearing so much competition talk Yesterday, this person has seven wins, this one has five. They have three combined. It's a very competition minded cast and I think this might be a we're not voting for Ashley situation. And that could be Kelly's only winning scenario. So like again, you got to pick the person you have the best chance against even if you'll still lose.

A (29:28)

But I mean, hey, the modern day June and Allison.

B (29:33)

Well, okay, so my thought, I was talking to America yesterday. Kelly, Ava and Lauren. Welcome back the Spy Girls, right? Yeah, Yeah, I think it's almost one to one.

A (29:44)

Exactly. Okay, so interesting thoughts from Ashley. Could be relevant for the week, especially given how much Ashley has been influential on this week so far. That if she does end up deciding she wants to keep Kelly, that could change some outcomes. So Vince talks to Kelly again. I already mentioned this, telling her that Morgan, Morgan's gonna try convince me to put up Lauren, but I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. And he says if she tries, I'm gonna tell her I'm putting up Ashley. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna tell her I'm putting up Ashley. And Kelly's like, well, you should. I don't know why you're not. You know, Ashley's the biggest trash talker about the, about your whole cheat man situation. Do you know what was it she said? She said he's about to get evicted from his relationship.

B (30:40)

Which is a good line.

A (30:42)

He was like, ah, freaking Ashley. She doesn't even deserve to be here.

B (30:48)

And I'm not gonna put her up like Vince. You're part of the problem. I will say Vince has to be undefeated in shower arguments. Just him in there. He's got crazy zingers, one liners. He has never lost a fight when he's talking in his own head.

A (31:08)

So Vince also talks to Lauren. It's just a long wait before we get to Vincent Morgan. And he tells Lauren, Morgan's really going to be pressuring me to get, to get you on the block. But I'm not gonna do it. Don't worry, I'm not gonna do it. And. And it's again, it's like, then he complained to the cameras. Why would they work together? He says he asks Lauren if he's heard about Ashley talking trash about his relationship. She says, not that I've heard. No, I mean, I can imagine it. He's like, yeah, exactly. I can too. She doesn't deserve to be here. And he goes on, he talks, it'll look, it'll just look like Morgan completely controlled my hoh. If you go home on my hoh, negate everything I've ever done in this house.

B (32:03)

Yeah, well, then they. They kind of come to a joyous conclusion in my eyes of Lauren being like, yeah. I mean, the reason I don't trust Morgan, Vince, is because of what you told me about Morgan telling Mickey all the information I told her. Vince is like, that was her biggest regret in the house. Like. Like, so it's my fault. No, that was. That. That was like an afterthought. I didn't even think about that. Like, don't even know. That's the problem. Problem solved. Lauren, by the way, Morgan wants you out. It's like, okay, we're back.

A (32:41)

Oh, man. So Morgan and Vince finally start talking, part one of their conversation in the day. This one does not go well because it. We've already sort of played. Acted a little bit of it. It's a lot of Morgan pulling out the M M's and then him try, like, starting to interrupt and then stopping. It's. It's so funny because she is. How should I put this? Very much the dominant force in these conversations. She gets very. Like, if he. If he says, like, oh, you're. You're gonna be so upset with me if I do this, she'll be like, don't, Vince. Don't put words in my mouth. That's a trigger for me. Don't do that. So now anytime he's. You're gonna be so. I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I don't know, will you be upset? And then, you know, she'll. He'll. Any. Also, like, if he interrupts her while she's in the middle. Well, that's not what. Hey, Vince, let me finish. Okay? Let me. But then on the other side of things, she's constantly like, vince, you're doing all. You're choosing Lauren over me. You're basically saying that you respect Lauren more than you respect me. And then anytime he tries to talk, she's constantly interrupting him. It's so funny to me here.

B (34:13)

Look, Vince is terrible, which I think sometimes hides the fact Morgan's not very good. Not in these conversations. Morgan's arguments make no sense, and she says all of them so many times. And then she gets frustrated at Vince for not understanding the stupid argument that makes no sense. Which, like, in fairness, Vince doesn't push back with the right counter arguments. So, like, genuinely, they're both just talking nonsense. But it never ends.

A (34:38)

Yeah. And she gets so mad at him for not listening to her, which means not doing what she wants him to do. But at the same time, she's justifiably mad at the part of him that is just lying to her face because she correctly identifies that he wants to choose Lauren over her and bring her to the final two. And he's lying about that. And she knows he's lying about that, but they can't really address the lie because he keeps denying the lie. And this is how, like, you know, this is how these things go, right? Because Vince refuses to admit the obvious lie. Morgan can't really argue the lie without it completely breaking apart their relationship. So she has to start arguing things that don't make sense around the lie. And then he's like, but those things don't make sense. And she's like, I feel like you're not listening to me. Because what she's really trying to talk about is the lie. And it just makes them both look so ridiculous, this whole situation.

B (35:37)

And. And Morgan is babying him. Like, before she goes into any pitch about Lauren, which Vince knows is coming, he's been talking about it for the past hour. Morgan's like, look, these are just scenarios. I know this is going to upset you. I know you don't want this. Which playing out scenarios. I know this is going to hurt. And this is where she says, look at me. He's like, laughing. She's like, no, no, this is serious. Look at me. And then she starts to go into all of her reasons, which I thought the funniest part of the Eminem saga was when Vince is like, yeah, but Rachel and Will will perceive this as you running my hoh. She's like, one second. Goes back in the bag to grab the jurors so she could have them visually represented.

A (36:22)

Yeah. So the fundamental disagreement here, again, on paper, because the. The actual disagreement is the lie is, is that Vince is wanting to bring Lauren to the final two. But the fundamental disagreement in this particular scenario that they're talking about is Vince saying, I'm going to lose jury votes because they're going to see that you ran my hoh. It negates everything I did. And Morgan going, nope, nope. That's not what it'll look like. Nope. And then her countering with, no, and if he doesn't agree with me, he's not listening to me. But then countering with a better argument, because there is another part of the argument that he doesn't make sense with, which is, well, we're guaranteeing that one of those three leave Lauren, Kelly, or Ava, and he wants it to be Ava. Now, you have to recognize Vince has been trying to get Ava out, trying to turn people against Ava for a couple of weeks now. He's been, like, in his mind, planting seeds against Ava that nobody's listened to, and he really wants Ava gone this week. And so in his mind, it's like, I take out Ava, and. And then, you know, Lauren is weakened and more reliant on me. And it. And. And it. It pleases everybody. And when. So when Morgan says, I don't want. Ava's not leaving Vince. Ava's not. Why Quotes. So, yes. So he. His argument is, anytime she says Lauren is too powerful, he says, well, I'm taking out one of her numbers. And she says, well, the problem, Vince, if you don't put Lauren up, you might not be taking out one of her numbers, because if Kelly wins the blockbuster, it's Keanu that goes home. Because we are not voting out Ava. Or even if I did, Ashley's not voting out Ava. Kelly's not voting out Ava. Lauren is not voting out Ava. That's three votes. Keanu leaves over Ava, and now all three of them are left in the game. Him. That's a problem. And this is a good argument against what he's arguing, because, again, what he's arguing is not the truth, but neither is what she. So. So they keep going back and forth on this, and it is not getting anywhere. And they are continually like. You're not even listening to me, Vince. I am. You're. You've already made up your mind. I can tell. I know you, Vince. No, I haven't. I. I still could do it. And it does not end well. This one. One.

B (39:10)

No. And again, like me criticizing Morgan, Vince is being vincy the entire time. Like, the entire time, he's being exactly how Taryn's representing him. Morgan's gaslighting him here in terms of, like, you know, Vince, you're not even listening to what I'm saying. You won't hear any perspectives. Neither will Morgan. They are both so stubbornly on their side of this argument. And the difference is Vince being, you know, meek little Vince is like. Like, I'm so sorry. I won't interrupt you again, Morgan, I apologize. That was. That's my bad. Whereas Morgan will interrupt Vince validly pushing back against. So, Morgan, don't you think it would look weird if everyone thinks Lauren is like a minion of mine for me to target her? Wouldn't that be weird? And Then Morgan's like, see, you never hear what I'm saying. And then he has to go on the defensive. So, like, Vince is trying to get his points out very ineffectively, and Morgan is not hearing them out by saying that Vince won't hear her out. So, like, it's just a lot of. Again, I feel like I'm invading their privacy watching this conversation.

A (40:13)

Yeah, I mean, it's again, like, this is still Morgan. This is still the person who, you know, was like, you talk to her all the time, Zach. But it's also Vince, who, again, couldn't tell the truth if it would save his life. And so he's just, like, upset that she isn't able. Like, he can't manipulate her. And she's upset that he's trying to manipulate her, but that he's not listening to her. And. And I think, like, at the core of it, maybe you could say that Morgan is genuine about, like, wanting to. Like, I think Morgan believes what she's selling. I think Morgan believes that, like, her and Vince to the end is her goal and this is the best way forward. Whereas Vince does not believe what he's selling. He's just trying to make sure she still cuddles him at night even though he wants to take Lauren to the end.

B (41:09)

Well, I just think it's like. And they talk about it so many times. Vince is like, it is much better for my game not to put Lauren up. And Morgan's saying, yeah, maybe, but it's much worse for my game for you not to put Lauren up. And that's when Vince just has to be like, look, we're gonna do whatever we can to get to the end. But, like, it's my decision. Like, obviously I'm gonna make the binary choice to help myself, and then I'll do whatever it takes to help you as well.

A (41:33)

That's fine. That's fine.

B (41:35)

Oh, I wouldn't even get that far in the conversation. No, this sentence would have been cut off phrases ago.

A (41:44)

So after this conversation, guess who Vince goes to? Lauren. Oh, she's already doing it. She's already trying to convince me to put you up, Lauren, but I'm not going to. Oh, he also talks to the cameras. Like. Like I would do that. Oh, my God, she's trying to run my hoh.

B (42:05)

It's.

A (42:05)

He's. I think I've said this before, but he's so much like. Like the. The. Like in. In. In a villain henchman movie.

B (42:16)

The.

A (42:16)

The. The villain that will, like, be trash talking the. The big baddy but then as soon as the big. How dare you. Oh, no, I'm so sorry. I'll never do it again. And then. Idiot. What did you say? Nothing. No, I'm not, I don't, I'm not, I'm not. Like, that is Finn's.

B (42:40)

It is. And it's so funny how adamant he is with Lauren. Like, I will not let Morgan convince me. Are you kidding me? Yes. I planned a six pack date where she wears the veto and I wear the key. And we're gonna talk about the idea of backdooring you further. But don't worry, I'm immovable. Okay, cool. Like if I'm Lauren, I'm like, all right, great. Save me a couple though.

A (43:05)

These are not serious people.

B (43:08)

Not quite. I will say though, I think this is the only season I watched you do updates for a while, Taren, when it gets the final three 20 minute updates if Vince and Morgan are there, 90 minute minimum.

A (43:21)

I mean, it's so listen, and this, it's going to be true for tonight too. Like, or today too. It's like there's only so much of the same conversation we can, we can do. So we are kind of like, you know, glossing over the bulk because it, if, if it was this every night, it would get very stale. At least in my opinion.

B (43:44)

Can I give you my, my favorite quote of the night? It was, it was Morgan in this conversation saying, you know, I, I had a feeling, right, that God wanted you to win this hoh. To make a big move. What big move did God want, Morgan?

A (44:04)

And then, and then God had me win this veto so that we could do this together. I think God wants you to win the game, Vinnie, and he wants you to make it this move, to make it happen.

B (44:13)

Why did God want Jackson Mickey to win the game? I have a lot of questions if we're going using this philosophy.

A (44:19)

Because he'd never been selfish before in his life.

B (44:22)

Well, that's a good point.

A (44:23)

And he was playing chess, not checkers. So Vince is hanging out with Lauren for a while and then they have a ridiculous interaction as Morgan walks in from the backyard. Vince says something as she's coming in and so she can see slightly through the door. And she opens the door, she's. Hey, Vinnie, can, can we talk for a second? Yeah, yeah. She pulls her. Him into the. The wine room. So I have this really weird hidden talent where I can read lips pretty well. And I know you just told Lauren. Here she comes. No, I did not. No, I did not. I said, Jerry Jyler Jalerson.

B (45:19)

Which, like, look, Vince is telling the truth. Morgan is correct for not believing that.

A (45:29)

I said Jerry Jyler Jayerson. That's what I was saying.

B (45:34)

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B (49:59)

We, I think we've talked about quite a bit how, like, Keanu just is a good target for everybody. Very, like, argue. Arguably the best target for everyone for Vince. Certainly he has shown a certain vulnerability in competitions that we haven't seen with previous copies. And maybe that is comp design. Like, like these vetoes used to be like, guaranteed for a guy like Keanu against this field. And they're really not. Like, he hasn't won something since his hoh and the rest have been like blockbusters. So, like, I don't know if Keanu is as indestructible, but it's just a really scary thing to test. And for someone like Morgan, Keanu probably is the, at the very least, the second most dangerous person for her game after Lauren and very arguably the most Dangerous. So, like, I understand why Morgan wouldn't want to go with it. It is weird that Keanu has this much buy in.

A (50:49)

Yeah, I. I basically. I think Keanu will win basically anything that is super physical, but there's not a ton of comps left that are super physical. It's usually just that there's, like, a baseline requirement of physicality, and then speed will help you. But, like.

B (51:07)

Veto, competition, double eviction veto is.

A (51:12)

Yeah, I mean, that's definitely in Keanu's wheelhouse. But this. This veto was the. I think, like, the. The one where you're, like, balancing on the thing and you have to, like, yes. Put the balls in the, like, the big shovel thing. And Keanu apparently, like, did very well, got a bunch of balls very quickly, but then stalled out at a certain point, couldn't figure out how to not knock his balls off. And so he's definitely very, very dangerous. But I. I actually do think that Lauren is probably the most dangerous competitor in the house at the moment. She came close to winning this veto as well. If Morgan hadn't been playing, Lauren very likely would have won it. So that's worth considering in all of this as well. For sure. So I mentioned Ashley talking about not wanting to go to the end with Morgan anymore. Starts to think she might need to bring Kelly, and also in the process, ends up kind of making a final two with Ava where they're kind of joking around, like, what are we gonna name it? Are we making a final two right now? But she's. She was hanging out with Ava in the hot tub. She was like, I've never been in the hot tub. Oh, my God, this feels so good. And they're, like, hanging out and bonding. Ava was. Or. Sorry. Ashley was doing a lot of comforting of Ava throughout the day. Like, there's no way Morgan's gonna use that veto. I don't think so. And Finney is not gonna put up. I don't think he'd put up Lauren, which I honestly think will, like, pay off if it. Even if it does end up happening. Like, wow, I can't believe that happened. Can you believe Vinnie? And really what she's trying to do, obviously, is in the event that Lauren does leave, she's hoping that she can be the one that scoops up Ava. And at this point, I think she does. And so now she has to be worried that, you know, people like Will or even Rachel might vote for Ava over her if she actually does go to the final two with Ava. But it's, you know, she's, she's doing a lot of work here and this is, this is not going to hurt her in any way.

B (53:30)

Yeah, well, first of all, I'm happy the hot tub is nice. Our chlorine levels in the hot tub poisoned us. So, you know, a big step up there, there. But I think Ava and Ashley are like the two people in a friend group who like never hang out individually. But now all their friends have left, so it's just Ava and Ashley. And I, I don't know who remembers Ava hates Ashley or at least hated Ashley for basically the entirety of the season. So if Ashley's able to make something work with Ava, I think one that is a testament to Ashley doing a lot of good work and also crosses elimination. There's no one left for Ava to work with. And you know Ava, we talk about being a jury threat because people really do like her. She's probably one of the least respected houseguests in terms of their strategy. She was called a floater all season. So like for Ava it probably does make sense to go all in on Ashley or Kelly. So like these three really need each other and it might be like a rock paper scissors who wins in the final two.

A (54:24)

Yeah. So eventually it does come back, of course to Morgan and Vince. They're gonna have a whole. Don't call it a date hangout session with some alcohol and just, you know, just the hoh winner and the veto holder. You know, that's. We're just talking as the two comp winners of the week. That's all.

B (54:57)

Morgan's like, this is the first week the judges have been in control. Shut up. It's you, Vince and the guy or the person Vince hates, like so annoying.

A (55:08)

Oh man. So of course this is a lot of the same stuff happening. I feel like I'm losing my best friend to a 22 year old girl. Vince. And he's like they're gonna think that you ran my hoh and so on and so forth for quite a while. The it gets kind of interesting toward the middle ish when the conversation gets interrupted by Ashley. Well, not interrupted by Ashley, but Ashley ends up joining Morgan while Vinnie is away and they start talking and Ashley's again like, kind of like, you know, we don't have to vote out Lauren and you know, just kind talking about that when Vinnie joins them again. They've kind of been talking about this thing, this new idea that nobody could have thought of which is what if Lauren goes up but we don't vote her out? Is that a Good compromise. Is that a good compromise situation?

B (56:21)

But it's a risk because she could just end up going home. It's like, nope, that's not how it works. Unless you're Rachel. You have to get votes to have to be evicted, and you are the votes. Morgan. So, like, again, Ashley knows what she's doing. Morgan doesn't know what she's doing. But I think Morgan has the secondary interest of, like, I need Vince to be chill with me after we vote out Lauren, where I think Ashley does not care as much.

A (56:49)

So, again, lots and lots of back and forth, but this idea starts to permeate and. And Ashley promising, yes, I will vote to keep Lauren 100%. We can keep Lauren even if she goes on the block. And so even after Ashley leaves, they keep kind of circling around to this. And, you know, Vinnie is still very hesitant because, yeah, it's just risky. Like, what if she. If she goes home? Like, I don't know. Morgan, Morgan, this game means a lot to me, and I. I just. I want to find a way to get to the end. And if. And if she goes, I'll have to put my tr. Kelly and Ava. Really. People that haven't even liked me from the very beginning, like, come on, Kelly. Ah. And, you know, continuing. Continuing.

B (57:44)

I kind of love Vince in some ways. Kirsten talked about it yesterday about, like, he's got to give him an inch, then he'll take the next inch, then the next inch. I remember at the final 10, Keanu, it's just about making jury. I just want to make jury. It's been my dream to make it to the final eight. All I wanted was seven. And it's just going to keep going. He's gonna win the game and be like, Julie, I just want afp. And at this rate, he's going to get it. So, you know, he's. There's some things that are very admirable about Vince that I think are often glossed over because of his methods. But he wants to be there. He's fighting. He's.

A (58:25)

He's.

B (58:26)

Is he playing self interested? Not like game self interested wise, but like big picture maybe. I don't know.

A (58:32)

I saw someone say that, like, Vince's priority list is number one, cuddles from Morgan. Number two, don't look like an idiot on tv. Number three, win the game.

B (58:51)

Yes. But if he's talking to Kelly, his number one priority is make Kelly happy.

A (58:54)

Happy.

B (58:55)

And then when he's talking to Rachel, Rachel has to be happy. When he's talking about Adrian he needs to make sure Adrian's watching him and likes what he's saying. Like it literally, it is a fluid list of priorities.

A (59:07)

A thousand percent. Yeah, that's completely correct. So the argument here is from Lauren to go on the block is to counter the good point that I talked about earlier that Morgan was making, which is that if you are actually dedicated to making sure that one of those three wins women leaves Lauren, Kelly or Ava, then you have to put Lauren on the block to, to ensure, to give a better chance of, of like Lauren say winning the blockbuster. And then we vote out Kelly or you know, like, because if, if Ava's on there, then she's not winning the blockbuster and it's just Keanu or Kelly. If Kelly wins the blockbuster, Keanu's leaving, leaving. Whereas if you put Lauren on the block, you're not only proving your loyalty to, you're choosing Morgan, you're the judges, jury votes and all of that stuff. It's a compromise situation. We're not going to send her home, but you put her up, then we won't vote her out. And it gives a higher chance of beating Kelly in the blockbuster and making sure that Kelly leaves. Now again, something to just so that we are aware, not only is Ashley fully willing to lie about how she wants to vote, she's actively started to think about keeping Kelly over anybody this week. And, and you know, will Morgan really want to keep Lauren? The thing is Lauren versus Keanu is a tie anyway. However, Keanu winning The blockbuster, Lauren vs. Kelly, things get trickier. Right. That's where Lauren could actually leave. But because Morgan is promising that she will vote to keep Lauren with Morgan's vote, Lauren should be good as long as he can break a tie. And so he's starting to feel a little bit more comfortable. And they, she keeps pressing, she keeps pressing, she keeps pressing. And he finally, fine, I'll, I'll do it. Then I'll throw it away because I continually put other people before myself. It hurts my game. Yes. But I value you above everyone else in this house and I want you in my life forever. So yes, I value our relationship over Lawrence. Am I going to be best friends with a 23 year old girl who lives in Louisiana? No. How often are we going to talk after this? A funny Instagram video here or there. You're somebody that I'm probably gonna call emotional at midnight if I'm ever having a hard time and I'm probably gonna drive to your house. So yes, I choose you every single time in every single Way.

B (62:01)

This Taryn, this is the problem with society. Why can't a guy, a straight guy, have a woman friend who he can call emotionally at midnight and drive over to her house and sleep in her bed?

A (62:15)

You know, like, hey, let's say he's arguing with his girlfriend of seven years and he's having a tough time. Why can't he call Morgan at midnight, leave the bed that he sleeps in with his girlfriend and go and hang out at Morgan's house, drive to her house and talk to her and hang out there weird about these things.

B (62:38)

Every day in the big brother house feels like a year. So when you really think about it that way, right, like I would be uncomfortable. I was Morgan, how close Vince is to Kelsey like that, that's my problem.

A (62:50)

You know, Vinnie, I'm really feeling like you're gonna choose Kelsey over me and I'm not.

B (62:54)

Okay? And you know, Vince's response would be like, don't say that.

A (62:57)

No, no, don't say that.

B (63:02)

She's my girlfriend, not my ally. You're my ally. You're my number one. You're my favorite person in this game. I love this. It's just, it's, it's theatrics the whole night and like there's a lot of talk about like okay, they are sleeping head to foot and then is he's he touching her leg while they're sleeping? And then we need to get the sleuths. We need x ray vision to see through the barrier. The barrier is not holding Taryn. And I'll just say I'll be very upfront about this. I was so annoyed watching this entire conversation knowing none of it matters, knowing there's not a morsel of this conversation that will have any relevance to the game because tomorrow it's going to be the same thing and Monday morning it's going to be the same thing. And eventually Vince is going to be called to the doctor and make his decision based on who talked to him last.

A (63:53)

And Morgan knows this. So she said, vinnie, you cannot talk to Lauren about this. I will not have another situation where I get pushed out and you go and talk to Lauren for hours and she cries to you and you your mind and they have a whole conversation about that too. So, so Morgan is, is trying to get on top of, of this in the same way that that he was trying to get on top of last night. So, so they, they're talking about that. As you mentioned, Corey, there's a listen again. Opening lines of my book. I say that I watch People sleep. I don't actually often watch people sleep. There are people that do, however, and they were really tracking the over of Morgan and Vince in bed together and how he apparently kept edging closer and closer past the pillow barrier, cuddling with her legs. She curls the legs up. He's told her. Also, by the way, he has a secret. He needs to tell her in October that after they get out, he has this. He wants her to remind him of this not night that he has. You know, he has. This night has sort of given him something that he wants to tell her about that in October.

B (65:20)

And, Taryn, you'll take some time out of your busy schedule to commentate on it, to really give your thoughts, your input. Uh, because this story does not end on finale night, and we need to hear its conclusion the way.

A (65:34)

I could not possibly care less the second they exit that.

B (65:40)

No, it's. Trust me, it's. It's going to be a big saga. And I just think, like, I think what you said is right basically all season where, like, Vince knows exactly what he's doing. And I think you could try to, like, read the tea leaves here, read between the lines. I don't think it's necessary because it's so obvious what's going on here. I think what's a little less obvious is, like, Morgan's feelings on the matter. But I think a bit of an underrated part of this whole thing is, like, I think a lot of Morgan's feelings have really very little to do with Vince and more just like, okay, she liked Zach and Zach was picking Lauren over her every time. And now it's Vince and Vince is picking. I think it's just, like, insecurity, not even, like, directed towards Lauren, but, like, damn, it kind of is a shitty feeling to not be picked over and over and over and over again. And I think that's what like. Like, you know, a lot of her frustration comes from.

A (66:33)

Sure. Yeah. So. So that's basically where things stand. Vince has, in fact, despite protests to both the cameras and the other players, he has, in fact, promised he will now put Lauren on the block. The Vita will be used on Ava. Lauren will go up in her place. That is what he is saying right now. Morgan has. Has elicited promises from him that he will not change his mind, that he will not speak to Lauren about it, that he will not, like, get flipped around again. And they are promising in return that they will vote for her to stay. Whether or not that happens is a whole other question as well. But there's also a full day today and then also, you know, know time before the veto ceremony. I fully expect this to not just hold and not be a conversation.

B (67:32)

It'll, it'll go back to, you know, not putting Lauren up very soon. It's just where is it going to end? And I think the, the last question I have, Taryn is because they're doing all this math all night, which I appreciate playing out the scenarios but at the end of the day competitions just kind of are what determined this stage of the game. But all their math is basing the blockbuster existing next week. And obviously we know a double eviction is on the horizon. It's two hour episode. I assumed double eviction means no blockbuster because how the hell would they do that? But two hour episode, I really wouldn't put it past them to do it all which, like, would be hilarious. But it's kind of annoying watching them do all this math knowing they're doing the math wrong because they're still assuming we're gonna have three noms and someone's gonna come off and all that stuff.

A (68:20)

I mean, so yeah, it's. The next episode is not tonight. It is Wednesday. It's a two hour episode which will include Vince's hoh win the nominations. And I believe they also said the veto. It's possible that they'll cliffhanger the veto or something because they might have extra time on Thursday. Maybe they just do the veto and then Thursday theoretically would be the first portion of the episode is campaigning and the blockbuster and the vote and then the second hour is the then double eviction portion. But normally the double eviction portion takes place within like a half hour. So you don't need a full hour for it. Does that mean they're extending the first part? Does that mean they are including a blockbuster competition? I have to imagine it would be pretty tough to turn around a blockbuster competition for one eviction, then an hoh a veto and another blockbuster competition. That's four competitions in one night. They have a couple of areas but like that's still a lot of, you know, stuff.

B (69:25)

Yeah, look, I think it's unlikely. Obviously Julie t's the mastermind is back for something. So maybe it is some other form of elimination on Thursday. Maybe that's going to setting up what happens the week after. Whenever I see these two hour time slots, I'm just a little bit suspicious and like knowing this season, why wouldn't they do the blockbuster at the final six? This sounds right on par with what they've been doing.

A (69:50)

I mean, like, just for the record, it obviously doesn't make sense to do a blockbuster and double eviction. It completely negates the purpose of the blockbuster, which is to keep things, you know, like, like, interesting until the vote, but when there's no time before the vote anyway, it's just. Just no. Absolutely no point to it. But. But, you know, that doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.

B (70:14)

There's quite a big commute. Like, I know where they're filming the blockbusters. That's a walk too. So, like, I don't know if it's really feasible. Obviously, they could just set it up in the backyard. Why not? So, like, my instinct is it's not gonna happen, but they all think it will. So I think in this double eviction, there might be some drama of people have their three kns planned out. I don't know if they're gonna have their two knobs planned out as clearly. Shouldn't be that complicated, but I think it'll be interesting if people have to make some decisions on the fly.

A (70:43)

Yes. All right. Anything else then to bring up from yesterday, Corey?

B (70:48)

No. I mean, I had a great time talking to you, but this doesn't matter. Tomorrow's update will matter more, but it also won't matter. Mondays will be important, though, so. Or I guess Tuesdays. So check that one out.

A (70:58)

Check that one out, indeed. I will be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern to update you on the latest to see what has changed, if something has changed and what kind of drama is stemming from it. Maybe Ava will pop off, who knows? But you can tune into that tomorrow. No episode tonight, as I mentioned. So good luck. I guess not. Enjoy your open Sunday. Find me over on YouTube, Twitch and Patreon if you want to check out that content. Of course. Got a book coming out very soon behind the mirror. The audiobook is now out and I also now do officially have an end date, current end date for signing signed copies that the book catapult who@taron armstrong.com have been fulfilling the signed copy orders. They will be closing pre orders for that particular store where I'm signing those copies on September 30th. So you have until the end of the month, just about two weeks before that closes. That does not mean there won't be signed copies available elsewhere potentially. But just to let you guys know, that particular store, that particular link will close on the 30th. Otherwise, Corey, what do you got going on?

B (72:17)

First of all, Taran, if Vince wins this season, can you guarantee a Vince addendum to the book, an epilogue, perhaps?

A (72:26)

I mean, it's, it's, honestly, it's the Rachel addendum right now that says she's, she fits into the storyline pretty well.

B (72:33)

Well, you can find me Twitch TV. Corey Wurger I'm always watching Big Brother stuff. Patreon.com americori we do post shows with the evictions, and we're about to start rewatching for and first time watching for America, Big Brother Canada 5. So if you want to walk down memory lane, see some good Big Brother that you know still has comps matter way too much. Check that one out.

A (72:53)

All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here today. And I will see all of you next time.