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BB27 Sunday Live Feed Update September 21, 2025
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Today, Taran Armstrong and Mary Kwiatkowski talk through the live feeds for Big Brother 27!
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All.
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The drama, all the strategy and silliness from veto to hoh every single season. You know he is the reason. You know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 21st. Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday. Big brother at 27 live feeds. It was day 75 in the house, and we had. We had some drama, we had some fighting, we had some confessions, and plenty to talk about. With me to talk about it all is Mary. How you doing, Mary?
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Doing good. Yeah. All I have to say is that a couple weeks ago, I went out of the country for 12 days, and when I left, everything was cool. Game was going great, and when I came back, Big brother had fallen apart. So I'm not saying they're related, but it's like, man, you just. You leave the country for one week and everything goes to shit. So we're back. But I. You know what I gotta say, like Corey said the other day, and everyone, normally, we're not blessed with this dramatic of an end stretch, so at least we've got that.
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I really do think the accelerated timeline, minus the method of at least one of them is. I mean, it's what we've. At least I've been asking for. For years. So I think it's definitely working as we speed through the final five round. Although what I will say is they expected, and to some degree we expected there to be an eviction yesterday did not happen. So I assume at this point it will likely take place today or perhaps actually it will be tomorrow at this point, that they will do the eviction on Monday in the place of where the veto ceremony would normally be, and then the final four would take place after that. Could make some sense, especially if they're like, you know, taking the weekend off essentially. Who knows?
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Right?
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But of course, to set you up here, Vince is the hoh. He nominated Keanu and Ava Morgan won the veto, and they're all just waiting for Keanu to leave at this point. It's. It's like, yeah, so. Oh, getting. Getting pretty late. Keanu. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, getting pretty late. You guys are leaving too. We were just gonna stick around a little bit longer, but if you wanted to head out now, it's kind of the vibe.
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Yeah. And on the one hand, from like, a feed perspective, obviously, I want to see people talk, but on the other hand, I. I would kind of love if Keanu was just like, nope, I'm just gonna stay. I'm gonna stay and hang out. Y' all are gonna have to talk with me in the room. The thing is, it's not like. It's not like if he leaves that they're like, they would or would not vote any differently. It really has nothing to do with him. They're just talking about future plans at that point. So.
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Yeah, I mean, and. And really, like, it's. The talk is transitioned to the past more than anything. They're just talking about the season as to this point, which is part of what leads to some drama, which we'll talk about. There is a conversation between Morgan and Keanu about how she's not going to use the veto. He knew already. And it's kind of a formality more than anything, but just some jury management, really, on Morgan's end. She respects his game. She's not going to use the veto. He's a great competitor, and she doesn't want to have to, you know, beat him any more times than she has because she's not sure she could. And he. He basically is like, yeah, I understand. I get it. You know, this is what it is. This. I lost.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I. And I think that's good that she had this conversation with him. Some of the other conversations that people talk about when it comes to, like, the past of the game and their moves and alliances and stuff, I have different thoughts on. But I think, you know, even saying it like, if you know you're going to do something, the difference between Vinnie and everyone else basically, is that if you know you're going to do something and there are benefits to just being upfront and honest with the person, do it. Like, there's no reason to try and lead Keanu on, especially because then you're just going to have the problem of trying to hear Keanu argue for himself over and over over the next couple of days for no reason.
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So we also get Ashley trying to do some work on Vince. Just, you know, a lot of the same stuff that's already been heaved upon Vince about how he can't beat Morgan, but she's a bit more subtle about it. And when I say a bit more subtle about it, it's because Keanu is, you know, hitting him with a hammer. And as is Asia, Ava. But she's, you know, she's saying things like, you know, obviously, you know, his vote stands, so I wonder what he would do if he had to choose between two people he hates. And they talk about votes and she's like, obviously, you. You would have Morgan's vote. And he's like, I don't know. Not if I had to do something to get rid of her. It's like, probably true.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm just. I'm just looking. Looking at the votes. Is there a winning scenario for Vince at this point?
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I think there there's almost always a winning scenario if you're sitting in the final two. Like, for instance, I might say something along the lines of if I were a. A statician or an esthetician, then I would say that, like, it's not zero. Like it. It's kind of non existent, but it's also not zero is what I would say.
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Okay, great.
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That'll make more sense later.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, good one. That's what we call foreshadowing.
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I. If he's able to cut Morgan and hold on to her vote, which means he also picks up Keanu's vote, he has a chance. But those are all kind of tough things to do. He not only needs to win it, he needs to muster up the courage to actually do it, and then it actually needs to work out for him. And so all of those things are question marks.
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And not only that, but in that instance, I think Vinnie needs to be very careful about how he speaks about Morgan in the end, because in the event that he actually would cut her, he. I'm sure it would still be one of these flip flop back and forth conversations with her, yada yada. And so if he's sitting at the end trying to convince her or other people to vote for him, he has two paths, kind of. He either needs to say, like, I worked with Morgan the whole time. I really respect her, but she was a big threat and had to cut her, or a lot of people would try to, like, own the full game, own the move to take Morgan out and say, like, I did, I didn't actually need her. I was running that the whole time. And I don't think Morgan votes for him if he does that. I think you need to make Morgan feel like she's voting for herself with a Vinnie win, and that's going to be hard if he promises her that he's not going to cut her and then cuts her.
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He would also, like, never in a million years tell her beforehand. Like, he would be promising her that he would keep her all the way up until the minute before.
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Right.
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It happens. And then he would cut her and be like, wait, what? I'm sorry, I just. Ashley made me do it. Yeah, it would. It would be messy. It would be very, very messy. So. So he has that conversation with Ashley and he talks to the cameras afterward and he does say, like, I. I feel like I need to win out. You know, like, Keanu felt like he needed to win out. Morgan feels like she needs to win out. I feel like I need to win out. I need to win that final hoh. So I get to choose who comes with me and ensure that I win the whole thing. And, of course, this implies that there's a choice to make and that he would make a choice to ensure that he wins. But number one, he lies, even to us. And number two, even if this wasn't a lie, it could mean, you know, him winning and choosing to bring Morgan means in his mind maybe that he's now won the last two competitions and that might give him the edge over Morgan or something along those lines.
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Right. Which I don't think is accurate in reality. I don't think people would see it that way.
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But I agree.
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I think that that's his way of feeling like he can have his cake and eat it too. He doesn't need to cut Morgan and could still beat her.
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Yeah. But again, it is Vince, like, you can't ever underestimate the slimy of this man who did try to make an absolute fool of this woman just a couple of weeks ago with the veto. So I would not say it's completely off the table, but I think, you know, it is not particularly likely at the moment. And the thing is that he would have nobody else to share blame with or have any kind of plausible deniability. He's. He's never once made a choice in the game that has been like, I am owning this decision that I am doing to you. And he would have to in that moment. And so, you know, it's. We'll see.
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Which is. And I. And I. This is why I get the Vince Paul comparison. I think they are extremely different, but the thing that they do have in common is the lack of really understanding how. How owning your game can help you in the game. And then also with jury votes.
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Yeah. So the night continues, and people are pretty sleepy throughout the day, as was. I can. I just. Oh, man, I was tired yesterday. And they were too. And they were napping and. No, you know, like, just hanging out and then. And waiting for an eviction to potentially happen. And then instead, production was like, hey, do something.
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Mm.
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Have some alcohol. Do something.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's the do something switch.
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And. And so they did. They did. They gave them some alcohol, and they did start doing some things. They're hanging out in the kitchen. They're talking about the season. As per usual. Ava's boasting about some things. Oh, you know, I frankly, I had a whole thing with Rachel, but then she pissed me off in the. In the thing and then just grabbed my arm. I was like, b, you have to go. And. And she left. And. And then they're talking about Mickey. And she was like, yeah, and I knew how to deal with Mickey. I was just like, on my hoh. I. Your mouth is gonna get you in trouble, so I don't need to do anything about you myself. And then, look, it did. And. And so they're talking about that and. And Ashley starts talking about. Yeah. Like, that's why I was, like, upset with Rachel for targeting Mickey at first, because I was like, other people are gonna deal with her. Like, you need Mickey in this game, Rachel, because she's. She becomes a bigger target than you. And Kiana decides to, at that point, butt in and say she didn't need Mickey. She had me. I was a big guitar. What. What the are you talking about, Ashley? She's like, you. You tried to get her out, Keanu. Well, yeah, duh, because she took out Riley. And I tried to tell her not to. And she's like, you're mad that she did something without consulting you on her hoh. And at this point, as he does, he scoffs, turns to Vince, the only other man in the room, and says, ashley doesn't know anything. He does this so often specifically to Ashley as well. Like, and it's so, so unbelievably condescending.
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It's every once in a while. There have been so many moments in this season where I think I could root for Keanu. Like, this would be fun. He's been messy. He's been emblematic of the season. And then I remember the time that Taran informed me that Keanu would never listen to something I said because he would have to get the information from Taryn to believe it. So, you know, I think hopefully, and we say this every year, hopefully, there are some people who will watch some amount of the season or coverage or read some things online and have a little bit of a wake up call towards some of their biases and behaviors and stuff. It's not super likely. It almost never happens with the people we want it to happen to. But the one thing about Keanu, because of moments he's had with Rachel throughout the seasons, he does have moments of clarity to where I do think that he could have a moment to, you know, recognize some things and humble himself a little bit. It's not super likely, and it would probably still bounce back from that eventually. But, yeah. So this whole thing is interesting. It's very telling that Ava just cannot get Rachel's name out of her mouth. That's Very interesting.
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Mm. Yeah. So he says, Ashley doesn't know anything. And this, of course, is. Is, like, quite annoying to Ashley. And she says, actually, Keanu, I actually think you don't know anything half the time. I'm sorry, I'm over it. And. And Ava at this point is like, whoa, okay, she's out of the house. Rachel's out of the house. Can we get over it?
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Oh. Oh, okay. So we're only allowed to talk about it when we're complaining about her, but not when anyone else wants to.
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Oh. Only Ava is allowed to talk smack about people outside. We're not allowed to defend the people that have left the game. That's not allowed. We're not allowed to get a little heated arguing. Ashley's not allowed to defend herself when she said that. When he said that she doesn't know any. That's. Oh, whoa. Guys, chill. Chill.
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Taryn, have you seen Mean Girls?
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No.
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Okay, well, for the audience who has seen Mean Girls, Ava is like the moment when Caddy cannot stop talking about Regina, Gina, George negatively, and it's like word vomit. And she just can't stop because she's jealous but also has some reason to be angry. And that's Ava.
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Yeah, it's.
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You should watch Mean Girls. What are you doing? How have you not seen that?
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I feel like I've already seen it, just through osmosis. You know what I mean?
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No. Watch it.
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I wear them, like three times a week. Could you send me the link to where you got them?
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Enjoy your cheese dip in the wine room.
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Ashley. It's not that. It's not that deep. It's not that deep to have a conversation in the wine room. And Keanu's like, listen, listen. I just give unbiased, logical facts, and they're. They're not here, and I am. All right, there you go. Well, Ashley says, all right, so we'll say what you want about me, but at least I keep it real, because I keep it real, too. But there's a reason they're not here, and I am. And there's a reason he's not going to win pointing to Vince unless he wins the final veto and takes Morgan out. And Ava goes, all right, I'm over this conversation. Everyone go away. We can't have one nice night together? I'm so over it. Ava somehow managed to become the most obnoxious person in this conversation, and she had nothing to do with him.
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And also, it's like, if she's still thinking that that kind of behavior is somehow going to win her afp. No, be quiet. I want to hear people fight. Stop trying to break up the fight, Ava.
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It's just especially rich coming from her, like, one of the biggest smack talkers in the. In the entire house who has called all kinds of people all kinds of names and gotten way heated about other people. I guess it's only okay when it's her that's doing it and it's behind the person's back, because if they. If it. If it happens in front of her at all, then whoa. Oh, Jesus. We can't have one nice night where I'm complaining about people that aren't here.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay, well, let me ask you anything else on this bit of it, because I have a broader question about the sort of initial part of the conversation.
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Yeah. Well, so afterwards, after all of this happens, Ashley apologizes to Keanu. She says, honestly, I was. It was not even anything to do with you. I was pissed at Ava for being so fake because, like, I'm just not fake like that, and it pissed me off that she was being so fake. And Keanu kind of agrees. He says he's more pissed with Vince than he is with Ashley because Vince is continuing to be fake and lie to him and pretend like. Like he hasn't been screwing him over all season long and so on and so forth. And so. So they. They. They kind of make up after this.
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Yeah. And I do want to say I think it is really underrated in games like this, what apologizing and sort of being the bigger person can do for you as well, Especially with someone like Keanu. I think that that's going to go a long way just in terms of, like, de. Escalating. So I think that was good.
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People, I will say I had a thought during this argument, and this is not seemingly what Ashley is doing to any significant degree, but I did have a thought during this argument that this. This could be such a fun play, which is Ashley does this in front of everyone, then in her goodbye message, or maybe like, right before he leaves, because you might not be able to fit It In a goodbye message, you say to Keanu, hey, so sorry about the other night, and this is straight out of a Dan playbook. I needed to publicly get into a fight with you because I know Vinnie, it really wants to bring Morgan to the end. But if I want any chance of convincing him to take me instead, I need him to completely think that I don't have any jury votes. And I love this for Ashley in particular, because I think if Keanu brings that to the jury house, it would really get all of the people in the jurisdiction. Wow. Like, Ashley's thinking along those terms. And in the event that Vince does cut Morgan for you, which is one of your only win conditions to get to the end anyway, frames it in terms of you convincing him and not his big move to take you, which I think is what you need to have it framed as if you want to shot at beating him after, you know, taking that big shot.
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Yeah, I said this years ago, but my take on Big Brother endgame has always been think less about what's actually happening in terms of power and think more about how you can frame the power to be it benefiting you. And so even if your game is, I'm an underdog and I was brought to the end, right, like, I. Everyone's going to view me as having done nothing. You need to be concentrating on your goodbye messages and your speech, framing it like, well, no, I'm the best player, and here's why those things benefited me. And obviously what Taryn's talking about is a very, like, specific, actual way that can sort of shape something in people's eyes. And this is not to say that you get to the end. There's a difference between that and getting to the end and just being like, oh, well, well, I was loyal and I was the best, and therefore I should win. When you've done nothing, you need to actually come up with reasons behind it. And sprinkling these throughout is a great way to start getting people looking at you that way. And I think that's really the best way and sometimes only way to pull the heel turn of like, people thinking that you were a nobody to thinking you had power. But you have to do a lot of mental work to kind of figure that out. It's not enough to get to the end and then just say like, yeah, but look, he brought me here. So, yeah, to be fair, Taryn, I don't think that's like, what Ashley was doing in this point.
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It was. It was just the thought that came. That came to my Mind, like, oh, that would be such a fun, specific play in this moment. And people are saying, like, oh, well, it wouldn't matter to Keanu, because whatever. But, like, the thing is, even if it doesn't matter to Keanu, he still brings that back to the jury house, and it might matter to some of them. And so, you know, I. I think. Which just would be a fun. Fun something to think about if you ever go. Something like that. So the night continues. Morgan has her birthday. Vince is very excited to celebrate it with her.
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Yeah.
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B
Really, The. The rest of the night is mostly them. Morgan and Vince talking about what happens if we lose the veto at final four. Vince is convinced that Ashley is going to cut him for Ava, which she will. Morgan says she hopes that that wouldn't happen. She says, if Ashley does that, then I. Then I would feel comfortable being like, well, you just lost any shot of me taking you to the final two. I was like, morgan, if she doesn't do it and Vince is there, then.
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A
You should be taking Vince. You said The Quiet Part 2 Vince outlet. Yeah. Yeah, that was funny.
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B
She says, I really don't know that Ashley would do that. And because, of course, he's like, and I kept her safe. That the. The worst part of it all is that I kept her safe. And Morgan's like, vince, stop. It was the right decision. And it is. It is so funny to me. It is. And it's so emblematic of Vince's game that he was the week one hoh and his target was Ashley. And now he is heading into the Final Four having won four HoHs during the season, still desperately wanting Ashley gone and being unable to do anything about it, and says to Morgan, I just really don't think that Ashley deserves to win this game.
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Let's recap. Work real quick on Vince's hohs who.
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B
Went home, not Ashley. Zay.
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A
Yeah.
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Catherine.
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A
Right.
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B
Kelly.
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A
Huh?
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And now Keanu.
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A
Right. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, they were. Those were some choices.
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B
I made. I made a tweet because I, you know, when. When Morgan won the veto, I was like, let's. Let's, you know, celebrate Morgan for a moment here, because I want to give her a moment. And I said that she controlled every One of Vince's four HOHs. And some people. Well, some people are like, how dare you? Vince is a mastermind. But then other people were like, isn't it 3? Isn't it 3? Why the first HOH? What do you mean? She didn't consider the first H. And I would say, yeah, that's Fine. But I would argue that she had some of the most amount of influence during Vince's first hoh. Her and Rachel were the two people that put their foot down and said, do not put up Keanu. Put up Kelly. Right. You put up Kelly. Remember, all the way back to then, I was like, this guy is begging for somebody to tell him what to do. And Rachel and Morgan were the two people that said, this is what you need to do, Vince. And he was like, thank you. Then it was Morgan, against the wishes of. Of Vince, who pushed for Zay to leave. And it was a close vote. And Morgan was a huge driver of. Zay has. He's playing chess. He's teaching people how to play chess. He's a gamer. He needs to go. And without her intense drive to take Zay out, he doesn't leave. And that is against what. What Vince wanted. So I would argue that you could argue that she ran his first HOH as well as the rest of them.
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A
Just not. Not from a part, you know, faux partnership with Vince kind of perspective. It wasn't her trying to manipulate Vince. It was just her steering the vote.
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Just her getting her way the whole week.
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A
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. I do think that the Morgan arc throughout this season has been one of the more interesting ones to watch and track. And it's usually a little while before I go back and want to, like, rewatch episodes from the season, but I'd be curious to go through, and especially in, like, weeks, sort of.
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I don't.
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Know, 2, 3, 4, 5. Like, curious to see Morgan's gameplay and how that shifted to where it is now, because I think there was a time when I thought, wow, the really close relationship between Morgan and Vince came out of nowhere. And I kind of want to go back and see earlier on what her conversations with him were like.
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They. They were always pretty close. He was the first hoh, and so, you know, he was part of the heavy hitters. It was Morgan and Mickey for a while, and they were like this. It's so funny, too, because obviously she's played a very different game from Chelsea, but it's such a similar trajectory where we were comparing Chelsea and Brooklyn to Morgan and Mickey early on. And then Chelsea and Brooklyn have a downfall. Brooklyn leaves, and then Chelsea goes on to. To win the season, dominate the rest of the season. Kind of a similar thing here. Morgan and Mickey were like, the two front runners have a downfall. Mickey leaves, Morgan rises from the ashes and goes on to dominate the rest of the season. Granted, it hasn't ended yet, but again, very different ways. But like, on the outside, it's a similar trajectory, so. Yeah. But Chelsea never touched the block. Says this is just in the chat because they think that. Not that it's true.
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Right. Yes. Yes. Okay. Just looking at some other scenarios. What is the. What is the scenario where the most likely scenario where Morgan does not get to the end?
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Yeah, we talked about this yesterday a little bit. I think the primary one is what we. What they just talked about in this conversation is what if they lose the final four veto? And I think that's very unlikely, but not impossible, not zero. And that would likely mean either Morgan is just evicted at four or Vince is evicted at four. And either way, that turns Morgan's end game into something very tenuous because then she's facing off against either Aver or Ashley in part three of the final three hoh, for sure. And that's a quiz, and it tends to not. I mean, what I will say is it's not a very hard one. And up until the last couple of years, basically all the. Both players would get, like, every question. Right. In recent years, it's either gotten a little bit harder or the players have gotten a little bit worse at answering because. Because the questions are pretty similar, I will say. But in the event where it's like, still a relative easy quiz, it could very easily come down to a tiebreaker, and that's basically a crapshoot. And then she could lose the game that way, but it would require her to lose the final four veto first, which is already pretty difficult. And then. And then also lose the final three hoh, which I think she still would have an edge on. And then the other. The other version is she loses to Vince in the final three hoh, and then he does decide to cut her. I think those are the two primary ways that she loses the game.
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Yeah, I think you're right. Interesting. Okay. And the other thing I wanted to ask was when it. A lot of today was different groups of people sitting together, reminiscing, talking about alliances that did or didn't happen, moves they made, things they knew, all that kind of stuff. I completely understand the desire to do that. The thought of, okay, we're sort of in a stretch where it doesn't, you know, the things I'm going to say are probably not going to sway whether or not I'm coming or leaving or going to the end that much. And I want to. I want to share with these people the things they didn't know or Whatever. Isn't it better, though, to resist that temptation and save any type of reveal for the end? Because there's almost nothing that can be revealed now that make someone want to bring you to the end.
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Yeah. I mean, is it. There have been times where this has been manipul. Intentional manipulation of, like, let me, like, milk out of you all of your secrets so that I can use them against you in a final two speech. There's the very classic example of Daniel Reyes running through her game to Lisa before they sit in front of the jury and Lisa thinking, oh, my God, what have I done? She's the mastermind. I just. I just lost by taking her. And then. And. And so people just have this sort of instinct when things die down so quickly to. To start doing the postmortem before it's over. And a lot of the times it's. It's not game. It's just. There's nothing else to talk about. And they really just want to, like, they feel like it's over. They feel like it's time to start reminiscing. And. And I think that's what we're getting here, especially the fact that it came out even more when they were drinking. It's like, yeah, this is just that they want to be doing.
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Yeah. And I do get it also because a lot of these people either. Unless. Unless you go to the jury next and you can talk to the jury, a lot of people aren't going to be able to explain their game and talk about things in the game when it's as fresh until after the game is over and it doesn't land the same way. It doesn't feel the same way. So I get the. I get the desire to. I think I would love to see this portion of the game when people do this kind of thing, though the recap of the recap inside the house basically being way more intentional. I would love to see that. I would love to see people just lying, making up things that they did that were impressive.
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Yeah.
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Vince tells Morgan, there's absolutely no way, by the way, that I would cut you. Like Keanu says, I physically would not be able to do it. I would never do it.
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A
Why. Why are you. Why are you physically unable to do that? What is it about how you feel about Morgan that makes.
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B
Well, true. As, as. As they hop in bed together facing opposite directions.
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A
The positioning is so weird. I don't know.
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B
He starts to try to bring up another point, but he's nervous about it. Nervous about option one and it's not October yet.
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A
Vince, we're not allowed to do any reveals. Stop.
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B
Well, she says, listen, if you want to talk about it, we can talk about it. Oh, I don't know. I Don't know. Why are you stressed, Vince? Okay, and I'm cutting silence here because it's a long conversation. Silences. Morgan, if you were a statistician, is that what a statistician? Esthetician? No, that's an eyebrow person. What's a numbers person? Statistician. Yeah, yeah, that one. So if you were a stat. A status. If you were a statistician and the percentage was zero. Are you, are you asking for a percentage? I'm, I'm just saying. I, I don't know, I'm. I'm just curious what you're asking. I mean, I'm curious. So the percentage is a reflection of what I'm thinking, what I think you're talking about. Yeah. Okay, well, I feel like because of obvious reasons. Obvious reasons, by the way, is code for Kelsey. I guess I'm not allowing myself to have a percentage because that is something that cannot be fully dove into. But that doesn't mean the percentage is non existent. Does that make sense? Yeah. So no, it's not a zero, but it's also not existent. It's like, it's like in math. You know how in math you need to solve for another variable in order to find the solution? Yeah, it's like that. Good code, guys. Real, real hard to crack.
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Thanks, Taryn. Terrible. Listen, as always. Yeah, no, here's my. This is not a hot take. Probably my personal take as a third party outsider who has no personal opinion on the matter is I don't think that Morgan. I think the answer is zero about thereabouts. Zero to 1%. I think that's the answer. I think, I think Morgan, for inside the game or outside the game, reasons unclear because we don't know her real life wants and likes and needs to have a person like Vince, like Zach, like whoever sort of paying attention to her, she wants to be the number one with them. Makes total sense in the game. That's, that's why her behavior has been the way it has been and it has greatly behooved her in the game. I do not think that she has romantic interest in Vince at all.
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B
I think she's being honest. I think that it's not zero. I like, you know, you can, you.
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A
Can say it's not zero because zero makes it sound like I, I detest you. You can say that, but I don't think that. I don't think no matter what happens with the solve for X equation when they get out of the house, no matter what happens with that unknown variable situation, we're Never going to get a post months from now saying that they're together. It's not going to, I don't think my life on it.
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B
I don't think that you spend this much time and have this much investment and you live with a person and you sleep in the same bed with them for. And you explicitly talk about your feelings with them. I don't think you do all that. If it's really zero. I think, I think it's really not zero. Will they actually work outside of the house? Who knows? But I think she has a genuine interest right now in maybe trying a little bit.
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A
I don't know. But you know how the, the big brother world works. You can, there's a certain finite number of big brother couples that can exist and when one, when one goes away, another one opens up. Solve for X. That's hilarious. I don't know. Look, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
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But.
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I think a lot more of it is game related and personality with wanting to be, wanting to be someone's number one and stuff. I think that's, that has a lot more to do with it, but we'll see. We'll see.
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B
Well, they, they continue, you know, through the night. Yes. What would you tell me though, if it was zero? To my face, yeah. Okay, good. So I feel like this is more than an alliance. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, it's so much more for me. It's, you know, like, it's very strong. It's like it was just a gradual thing. It's natural. It's natural. I just don't want to ruin anything. You won't. Were you surprised? Actually kind of, yeah. That's not bad though, right? No, no, it's not a bad thing. Obviously I can explain more next week, so.
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And we won't have live feeds for that. I, I don't think that this is like a game. Like, I don't think Morgan is like leading Vince on exactly. I don't think that's what this is. I just, I don't know. It's, it's curious because we see a lot of times with games like these that people who you never even necessarily months later, it's like, oh, these people from maybe not even the same season, you know, got together from, from whatever show. And then you also see people who have a very intense friendship or relationship or whatever in the house that in the light of real day it's not going to work out now. They do, they do have some barriers taken down. With they do like live close to each other and stuff. The Kelsey variable is also there though, so that's going to be fun to.
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Yeah.
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A
Investigate.
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I mean this. And this is part of why I feel like the. While I still don't think it's zero. I think the likelihood of Vince cutting Morgan just feels so low to me because you see these conversations and he's so insecure about the state of their relationship moving forward again. He knows the leap that he's taking to be with her and he's terrified that she won't like him back. And I think he's trying to either get like full confirmation from her, which he's not able to because of the variable, and. Or get fully rejected by her so that he can cut her and not feel bad about it and, and just, just, you know, choose the other option, I guess. But what she's saying is, no, there's like, we're here. There's a thing you just need to solve for the variable. And he continues to be this kind of. In this state of like, well, you know, I, I couldn't. I, I like, I don't want to ruin that. I think that's where he's at and I think that's why he keeps like talking to himself about this. But again, it's, you know, if he's, if he's staring down the barrel of 75k versus 750 and he's looking at Ashton, he's looking at Morgan, he might just change his mind in the moment. He might do all kinds of things. But, but I think this is sort of where we are.
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In a completely unrelated, totally not related situation. Has anyone in Big Brother that we know ever, like looked at a camera or in a doctor or something and like broken up with someone outside the house? Like, obviously relationships have ended, but has anyone made the move to be like, hey, I've actually found someone in here I like, so I'm going to break up with you?
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B
Famously, Janelle in season six with her boyfriend.
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A
Wow, I forgot about that one. I wasn't watching live feeds at that time. Interesting. Well, you know, okay, I just want to say like, but there's always that option available to you.
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B
I mean, that would require Vince actually letting someone down.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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Just lying to them.
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It's so funny actually that, that, yeah, the. Vince's gameplay is, is so, like, this makes so much sense because I, He. He's had so much of a harder game than he needed to because of his feeling like he, he feels he needs to Tell everyone in the conversation they're in at any time that he's with them. It just doesn't, it doesn't benefit you. Whatever. Anyway, good times.
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Yeah, it, this is the thing too. It gets to the point where you like, almost start to go, man, you almost start to have some pity for him. And then you go, no, that's how he gets you.
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No, no, no.
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It's the sec. The second you allow yourself to feel that way, he'll be like, oh, oh, interesting. Yeah. So that's. That's pretty much the day. Anything else you want to talk about, Mary?
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No, we. We kind of gave everything this one had. It was, you know what, it was more than, I think a lot of seasons at this point in the season. It's. It's 15 minute updates from here. We'll see. I think there's still a lot of interesting things that could happen in this end stretch. I think in some ways I love the quiet days because weirdly, that's some of what I loved about some of the early seasons is like, yeah, in the end you're not going to have people running around talking game at all moment you know that someone is going home next, but they still have to be tortured with living in the house knowing there's nothing they can do for like a day. And I find that interesting.
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All right, well, that is what we have for you then today. I will of course be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern to update and everything that happens today on The Big Brother 27 live feeds, including if there is finally the eviction, we'll have to wait and see. There will be an episode tonight, late 1:10pm Eastern. I'll be streaming live on Twitch, YouTube and Patreon. You want to watch along with me? And then we will be here to recap it all on podcast. We are now just one week away from the finale of Big Brother 27. If you have not yet ordered the book behind the mirror, now is the time to do so. Make sure you get those pre orders in because you're gonna forget at the end when the season ends. You're not. You're gonna stop listening to me. You're gonna forget about it. You're gonna forget about it. You're gonna be like, wow, I listen to him every single day. I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I'll do it eventually. I'll do it 10. I'll do it eventually. And then you're gonna forget about it and you're not gonna do it. And then, then what? You're not gonna have a pre ordered book. You have to go and buy one from a not pre order. And. And you're gonna feel lame. That's what's gonna happen. You're gonna feel like, oh, man, I'm lame. You know?
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Yeah. A few years from now, when Tay Aaron is even more famous than he already is, you're gonna want to be able to say, I pre ordered his book. I. I got in on the ground floor. You're gonna want to say.
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So be part of the club. What are you up to, Mary?
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A
Absolutely nothing. This is it. In a, in a surprise move that was unexpected, my brother is going back to the world championships of backyard ultras this year. So we're very excited about that. So that's pretty much my whole life for the next month is gearing up for that. But yeah, other than that. No, actually, I think Love is Blind is coming around the corner because that show, it just will never end. So follow my socials to hear about that when that starts.
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All right, well, good.
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And stretch. Excited to see the end of the season.
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