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Trent Armstrong (3:42)

Hello everyone and welcome to Rob Has a Podcast. I'm your host, Trent Armstrong and we are here tonight to recap a late night episode of the final five HOH and nominations here for Big Brother 27. Joining me tonight, we've got a very funny guy. Thinks he's funny.

Brendan (4:04)

He's a funny guy.

Trent Armstrong (4:06)

How you doing, Scally?

Scally (4:07)

Oh, Taron. This is a treat. I get to spend time with my boys. Boys gender inclusive. I'm very excited to be here. It's a shortened week, but my attention span stays the same.

Trent Armstrong (4:19)

Yes. And also joining us, of course, someone honored to be their streamer.

Asia (4:26)

I'm so honored to be your streamer.

Trent Armstrong (4:29)

It's Asia. How you doing, Asia?

Asia (4:31)

Hello. I'm doing well. I am glad we are in the final week of this season because I had a dream a couple nights ago that Vince cut his mustache off and then I woke up and found out, oh, that wasn't true. I don't want to be dreaming about this show.

Brendan (4:52)

Yes.

Trent Armstrong (4:52)

Well, tonight's podcast is brought to you by Pluto tv, the place where you can watch the feeds, which is pretty cool. But we do have one. One other thing to. To do. It's some. Somebody's at the. Hold on. Somebody's at the door. It's. It's Mr. Rachel Riley.

Brendan (5:17)

Oh, wait, which show is this? Oh, my God.

Trent Armstrong (5:20)

This is the. This is the in the middle of the night one.

Brendan (5:23)

Oh, totally threw me off. Sorry about that. I was really excited.

Trent Armstrong (5:28)

Brandon, how you doing, guys?

Brendan (5:30)

I got my shirt on, you know.

Trent Armstrong (5:32)

Okay. I love Rachel's shirt.

Brendan (5:35)

That's right. Good, good hanging in there. My, my, my last week of the longest endurance big brother I've ever participated in. So, you know, like I said, I'm starting to feel like Taryn, I really think, like, this is what Fed Taren feels like at the end of this. Like you guys just been run through the ringer. I'm exhausted, I'm tired. I'm ready just to crown a winner and be done with it. Doesn't really matter. I think Morgan's got it, but who knows, right?

Trent Armstrong (6:05)

What, what's, what's the harder competition? Holding on to a slippery wiener or watching Vince and Morgan play slippery wiener?

Brendan (6:14)

Oh, my God. Seriously, I mean, watching them for hours on end. First of all, like I said, I, I'm nominating you for the President Dental Medal of Freedom. I'm, I'm going to write my congressperson and just see if there's a shot in, in this, in this administration right now. Because you are doing the Lord's work. If there ever has been some work done, you know.

Trent Armstrong (6:36)

Thank you. Thank you. Listen, listen, I think, I think, I think we got a shot.

Brendan (6:43)

I know what them being together or.

Trent Armstrong (6:47)

I mean, I, I think it, hey, it's not zero percent exactly.

Brendan (6:52)

It's not, it's non zero. It's the aesthetics of the, the situation, I believe.

Trent Armstrong (6:57)

Right.

Asia (6:57)

I think we have solved for X. I think we've seen what Morgan is like with a guy that she really likes, and that's when Zach was in the house. What we're seeing here now is, oh, that's so cute. He has a crush on me. I'll give him what he wants. I'll spend time with him. I'll tell him the feeling is mutual. I don't think they stand a chance the second Morgan steps out of the house.

Trent Armstrong (7:27)

I think their bigger issue is all of the things she's going to find out about the, what he said and did in the house behind her back is going to be the bigger issue. I, I, you know, I, I think she's, I think she's into it at the moment, but, like, there's a lot to learn.

Brendan (7:42)

I mean, is she, is she like, is, I mean, I want her to be ruthless. I mean, I really, I really just want to see your gut, Vince, on like, national television. Like, like a deer from hunting. Like, just like make him, like, make him cry and just, and just like, you know, finish, finish him like Mortal Kombat, you know, And I would just be like, that was vicious and was very hard to watch. But Morgan, he, you're now in the upper echelon of big brother winners. Because she, she was playing him the whole time. Is she. I mean, that's what I, I just have a hard time. It's like, will she, Won't she? Are we going back and forth all the time about whether she does like him or she's using him or she, you know, Is there any convincing evidence?

Trent Armstrong (8:24)

I think it's both. I think she likes him and is using him.

Brendan (8:28)

Okay. Okay.

Trent Armstrong (8:28)

Personally, it's hard.

Scally (8:30)

I don't usually, I don't sleep at the foot of the bed of a person I like. Usually. But he. There are obstacles.

Asia (8:37)

Right.

Brendan (8:37)

Super weir, by the way.

Asia (8:41)

And that's her. Everything at this point is her decision. He told her, look, everything. That it's all up to you. Now, at this point, she could be sleeping her head at the headboard, but she is choosing not to.

Brendan (8:53)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but weird. At the foot of the bed. I don't know why there. Like a puppy. Is that okay? You know, it's like. Yeah. By the fire. By the fireplace. Not by the bed. Come on.

Trent Armstrong (9:07)

It is. It is so weird.

Brendan (9:10)

It's.

Trent Armstrong (9:10)

It really is like going to your mistress's house and then choosing to sleep on opposite ends of the bed and being like, this is okay. Right? Because, like, there are plenty of other beds she could choose from. So it's so strange.

Brendan (9:27)

And they've also got, like a week to go. Like, you got it in their heads. Be thinking, like, are we gonna do this? Or what's going on here? I mean, like, the sexual dungeon here is just crazy. I mean, I, I, if they like each other, they don't. I mean, just kids or something. For the love of God.

Asia (9:44)

To your point, Brendan, I think that, like, can she be ruthless? Like, given all of this stuff, I don't think she feels like she has to because she knows she can beat him.

Brendan (9:56)

Yeah. Yeah. And that's probably true. That probably is correct. I know it's a pipe dream, you know.

Trent Armstrong (10:04)

Well, she managed to do something.

Brendan (10:05)

I'm pooping my pants.

Asia (10:07)

Do I take advantage of this chance to flush my number ones? Number two. I didn't even catch that the first time.

Brendan (10:20)

You know, this is going to be hilarious, guys. They're all going to get it. We're talking about poop. Because, you know, the whole thing.

Scally (10:32)

I feel good about myself having not made the connection personally.

Trent Armstrong (10:38)

Brendan, did you, did you catch. She also. I, and I fully believe this was not intentional, but I. She also did a little homage to Rachel Riley.

Asia (10:48)

I am not about to let Anybody come in between me and Vince making it to that final two?

Brendan (10:54)

Oh, okay. All right. I feel like her man, though.

Trent Armstrong (10:59)

Getting rid of Rachel Riley has sort of like.

Brendan (11:01)

Yeah, that's used in her true. She's like, me and my May best friend, they had to like, record that, like, four times, probably because she kept messing it up. Oh, man. Yeah. This is so weird. I mean, like you said, I've been listening to your live feed updates and, like, it is nice to have something to talk about because traditionally this is like a very painful part of Big Brother where you're like, we're just waiting for somebody to die and the three other people to compete, two of which we probably know are going to win and one's going to take third. It's like, are they or are they not going to take that third place person is like the big talk of the town. So to have something as messy as it is, I think it is. It is good. So it is a little bit better than. Than not having something here. So. But it's just like, I don't know. Again, it's weird watching these people, like, dance around each other and just pretend like, I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. Again, I keep hearing like, the. It doesn't feel like high school. It literally feels like a fre year, like, thing where you're just discovering the other's opposite sex and you're like, I want to kiss her. Kind of. Can I write her a note? You know? I don't know.

Asia (12:14)

Yeah, it's like, I can't hold her hand, but I want to.

Trent Armstrong (12:20)

She holds her hand.

Brendan (12:24)

I mean, and then the Morgan thing, like. Like being all shocked by the. By the Zingbot was just also another one, which is like, Yeah. I mean, I kind of do wish they had done both of them, like, with a solid zing about it. I think that would have been great. They definitely could just doubled up and been like, well, you guys are always together anyways. You know, I mean, it wouldn't have been hard, but I think she took. She really took that a heart. It was like, whoa, whoa. You know, it's like, I don't get with their. Who's putting that out there? You know?

Scally (12:53)

Understandable. She would take it to heart. But when that's followed up with, like, I'm sad. Let's go to bed, honey. Like, there's a problem.

Trent Armstrong (13:02)

I feel like you could have done the exact same thing for Vince. You just end it by, say, instead of saying his girlfriend you just say, like, what do you call all of this? And you say single.

Brendan (13:19)

Yeah. Right. It's like, wait, does Zingpot know something? Like, don't worry, everyone knows something. And so. Yeah, I don't know. I. I kind of wish. I wish there was. I just wish they would just do something about this, like. Like this kiss or get over with. Like, we don't. You know, I mean, because again, this whole, like, thing, like, they're just gonna pretend they're friends or whatever and then come out and it's gonna be real weird for, like, six months. They're gonna be seen hooking up or dating. There's gonna be something and then it'll fall apart real quickly. But just, let's get out, you know, get out now so the fan base doesn't have to hear about it for the next, like, three months, you know? I mean, so.

Trent Armstrong (13:57)

Yes, for those that didn't see. Also, there was a jury segment on Big Brother Unlocked on Friday. I imagine you caught this, Brendan.

Brendan (14:09)

You know, I saw the remnants of it. I saw. I did see the Will and Rachel 1. I'll be honest with you, I did not watch the unlock because I got the heads up. They were kind of dunking on Rachel a little bit again, and I was gonna get a little mad and I was, like, trying not to. So again, I just think my wife is taking the. It has been the brunt of their. The twist wasn't. Wasn't bad. Rachel did this to herself, everybody. You know, it's like, I. I just. I'm really having a hard time with that narrative because it's like, I get it, guys. You really want to just point out that she got herself out. Sure. She lost comp. But come on. I mean, the comp. It sucked. The whole twist sucked. And I have. I mean, I'm just still not really sure what's going on with this week either, because I thought the mastermind was just going to speed up the week and they were just gonna have a faster eviction. I don't know if that's still happening or there is still, like, another single elimination of play, which is kind of insane, like Final 5. But I. I just really, at this point, I figured they were going to scrap it because of the fan base flipping out about the whole thing.

Trent Armstrong (15:11)

Yeah. So they say in this episode that it's going to be a unique eviction vote.

Brendan (15:16)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (15:17)

Which certainly implies a vote at the very least. And I do feel like. So at the end of this episode, a nomination ceremony straight out of Jackbox.

Asia (15:32)

Honestly.

Trent Armstrong (15:33)

So my interpretation slash hope is that what they mean by unique eviction vote is that they're going to do it like this was a unique nomination ceremony and it's just going to be an early eviction that is styled in the mastermind layer, but it's going to be relatively normal otherwise.

Brendan (15:54)

That's what I was, I was hoping for, to be honest with you, because I was like, why didn't they just do this twice, right? Just have two, you know, faster evictions, half week evictions or whatever. I mean, I just think it would have been a million times better than what they did with the like White Locust twist in general, but completely, again, obviously I'm biased because it did affect Rachel, but I think it was still really crappy. Like, I just think I, I, yeah, so I think, I mean, again, it kind of sucks because I also hear this narrative of, hey, we put this twist in a long time ago. You know, we planned it and then they see how bad it was received. Like, oh, let's go ahead and change the thing that we had planned after this because we're probably gonna get dunked on again. So let's, let's take that out and replace it with that faster eviction. So I don't know, again, it's like going back and forth as to whether they can or cannot move comps or things around. I just, I wish again we just returned to Big Brother. Like, this is, I don't think Rachel had clue, neither of us did when she signed up for this, that they were going to do this. Especially at the jury phase where you, you would hope that they would start just playing Big Brother. I mean, for, you know, that's why, I mean, I love Keanu. I don't, I don't dislike Keanu. I mean, there's times where I've just wanted to like, you know, shake hard. But I think that a player like him that's so bad at strategy does not exist this far into most of the Big Brother games. The same with Kelly. It's like, I don't think that they add a lot to the game. You know, he was fun to watch like from to time the interactions with Rachel, same with Ashley. But I think there should be consequences if you're that bad at like social game and Big Brother. And there, there have not been whatsoever this season. That's kind of been the downside to it, you know.

Trent Armstrong (17:36)

Well, production certainly loves Keanu. We see him in this episode facing off in this hoh competition that was, could have been Built for him.

Brendan (17:51)

Yeah, I know. The strength of your arm, you know, hold up just an object against something else. Yeah. I mean, I. I don't know. I do think that they wanted him to win for sure. So we'll see the mastermind. It's like now you can only vote out anyone who is not Kia. My God, is again. It's like. Dang it. I. I don't know.

Trent Armstrong (18:15)

There's been a secret competition going all the way back to day one of name it's who said the word bro more times.

Brendan (18:24)

Whoever did wins and is now free from eviction. Yeah. No, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I. Like I said, I. I think if that is the whole thing this month of mayhem. I don't know. It was a whole joke. I don't. Just don't know what the mayhem is supposed to be at this point. If it is a shortened week. Cool. All right, that's fine. Let's just get the vote over with and then fast forward to what's happening next because I think we know where this is going. We just want to see what's. When it's going to happen and play out.

Asia (18:49)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (18:50)

So, yeah, so we see this with this hoh competition. It is. It's been done a few times now on big brother. Big brother 19 OTT. And last season, we had Leah win this one after almost 10 hours.

Brendan (19:05)

This is crazy. So I can't believe that they went that long. So, Yeah, a lot lighter because I did keep hearing that.

Trent Armstrong (19:11)

Yeah.

Brendan (19:12)

I think from here.

Trent Armstrong (19:13)

So they talked about how heavy it was. We were kind of assuming they meant the swords, but it turns out they were actually talking about the mastermind film face, the weighted face or whatever they called it.

Brendan (19:23)

Oh, really?

Trent Armstrong (19:24)

Yeah. So what it seemed like at least was that trying to pin the face to the board behind it required too much force for Ava and Ashley to be able to hold on for longer than 11 and I think 30 minutes. Ish. And so ultimately, that was. That was something that they were not able to. To hold on to. And what used to be a competition that could last 10 hours is now lasting just about an hour. Sounds familiar if we've seen the wall lately. So this ultimately comes down to Keanu and. And Vince. Asia, what.

Brendan (20:04)

What were.

Trent Armstrong (20:05)

How did you feel about the Keanu Vince showdown?

Asia (20:10)

It was. I mean, I. I mean, it was pretty clear when watching it play out on the feeds that Keanu was so just, like, lackadaisical and that Vince was, like, trying not to be distracted by this, like, bro Y conversation. And I thought it felt like the conversation to throw it was more intentional. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but the fact that it just ended just like that. Just because Keanu's carelessness was just like, are you serious? Like, it's so on brand for this season because the stakes are so high. Like, Like, Morgan pointed out this was the difference between her going, like, potentially going home this week and not even touching the block.

Brendan (20:55)

Yeah.

Scally (20:55)

Yeah, I loved it. Honestly, I thought it was really funny how Keanu's like, ah, finally, me and my best friend who chooses to hang out with every single person in the house but me, are good to hang out. Like, he chooses consistently never to talk to me, and now I have him trapped.

Trent Armstrong (21:10)

He actually said, I really think he'll choose me. The only reason, like, he'll choose me over the girl he spends 23 of the 24 hours with.

Brendan (21:21)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (21:21)

And it's like, you think there's a reason for that? Like, what do you mean?

Brendan (21:27)

Yeah, I just want to hang out with my best friend.

Asia (21:30)

You know, things may have changed. I may be his number one now because they argue so much. Like, you can really make yourself believe anything.

Brendan (21:39)

Yeah. I don't. I don't know what he's thinking. Like, he just. Again, this, to me is just like, how bad? Like, how bad are you reading, like, situations and people to the. To this final five, and you're still not kidding. This guy really is not your friend.

Trent Armstrong (21:53)

I mean, it's 70 days in.

Brendan (21:57)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (21:58)

And from the first night of feeds that we saw, which was day six.

Brendan (22:04)

He.

Trent Armstrong (22:04)

It was the same. Like, Vince has never effed with this man.

Brendan (22:09)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (22:09)

Never once.

Brendan (22:11)

Yes. Seriously. And how many times? What was the last time? I mean, hasn't he literally said. He's like, I can't believe you screwed me over. You lied to me again. Well, how many times is that? How many times has he done that?

Chris Hutchins (22:22)

Like, five.

Brendan (22:24)

Yeah.

Asia (22:24)

But he made up for it by voting out Kelly and Nakianu so that all his sins were washed away.

Trent Armstrong (22:35)

What they didn't show in the episode is just how much Keanu in this moment, I think is. Is talking about a large reason for this, which is he's like, bro, have you realized that it's basically just been us two guys for the last, like, two months that it was down to, like, 8v3 at one point? Like, they've been like, us guys have been so outnumbered. It's just like. Yeah, because. Because before it was Vince, it was Riley, and he would talk to Riley all the time. About how obviously you're cutting Catherine. Right. Would be like, not really. And he'd be like, I know, I know you, Will.

Brendan (23:20)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the fact, you know, one of the things just to me, with the fact that they sent home Will to me was like, mind blowing. Like, it was like, you. You sent home a guy who has one working leg. I mean, love Will, but no offense, but, like, you know, he can't compete in anything. Like, why would you send him home over anybody? I mean, I'm sure Rachel had to think that when he came in the jury, it was like, what are you doing here? Like, what you like, and guaranteed, like, third or second place. Like, what are they thinking?

Trent Armstrong (23:51)

You know, Kudos to Ashley.

Asia (23:52)

Kudos. Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (23:53)

She had a great campaign and really managed to flip.

Brendan (23:55)

That mean. This is one reason I do think Ashley does not get enough credit. She really has been making moves and. And again, pivoting and. And doing. And saying what she needed to do at the right time so far, like, stay in the game. I do want her to win something to, like, be able to sit at the, you know, final two. But we'll see. You know, I don't know.

Trent Armstrong (24:17)

Yeah. And we see in this episode that Ashley is telling us in the diary room, like, I want Morgan gone.

Brendan (24:24)

Yeah. Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (24:25)

Let me tell you, it's such a relief after the last two seasons where basically we are not getting this, like, yeah, running down to the end of BB25 and it's the mafia and BB26 and MacKenzie's just like, I'm well aware that I can beat Chelsea. And now this is to have Ashley in the diary room just so cleanly and put it. Yeah, of course I'm trying to evict Morgan. She is my best friend in this house, but I know I can't beat her. It's like, thank you.

Brendan (25:01)

Like, she's realistic. She's got self awareness. It's like, oh, my God. It's like, you know, very, very, very in poor supply this season, I should.

Asia (25:09)

Say, literally, because in this exact season, we have a guy who's saying, well, if I have a better comp record than Morgan, maybe I can beat her. I don't like that people are saying this, but I have to be loyal.

Brendan (25:23)

I mean, to me, it's also crazy to think that he's won four HOHs and you don't view him as like, a four HOH winner. Like, I just don't even. It does not. If you told me any season you're like, yeah, they won four hoh like, damn, that's impressive. You know, within. You're like, did he.

Trent Armstrong (25:41)

I don't think because Morgan won five, I think or one and then four Vinces.

Brendan (25:51)

I'm not gonna lie. When. When whatever night it was that she won and I went on chat bcc, it's like Morgan won her third consecutive hoh. I was like, wait, what? I was like. I was like half asleep. I'm trying to figure out what's going on, people. I was like, now I know what they're talking about. Yeah, it was good.

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Trent Armstrong (27:38)

So they're in this competition and. And as it turns out, we kind of suspected this was probably the case, but we didn't know for sure. But now we get in the diary room that it is for sure. It really was that only one person competing in that competition was actually targeting Keanu. Everyone else was targeting Morgan. And so of course for Keanu, when it's just down to him and the one person targeting him, he's like, all.

Asia (28:02)

Right, he's number one.

Trent Armstrong (28:06)

Now I can relax. We can just hang out, bud. And it is that relaxing, that taking his eye off the prize that causes him to slip. And now the one person who is trying to target him has won the hoh.

Scally (28:21)

Imagine it's so Keanu that the first time he successfully campaigns to anyone in Ashley and Ava here, it's like, complete wrong read on his party. Doesn't want to work with them at all. Like, okay, yeah, just throw that right away. Keanu sounds good.

Brendan (28:36)

Yeah.

Asia (28:38)

I think about him out after this. Like, once he leaves the game and he's having to think back his work, like, his worldview on the house is so just misconstrued. It's so opposite of what actually happened. And I'm sure he's gonna spend the first bit being like, no, this was actually what happened. Like, you don't know. Like, Vince was, like, fully aligned with me all the way through. And it's just like, I hope he's one of those people that does go back and watch the season. It's probably gonna be disorienting for him, but it's just like he. He's sitting up here thinking Ashley has the complete wrong read of the house, when it's just like, I worry about him.

Brendan (29:22)

I mean, I. I kind of do. I'm not gonna lie. He didn't mind me. It reminds me of half the house when, like, something happens big and then, like, two days later, everyone forget. Completely forgets about it. So I. I don't know. He kind of. I. I kind of think he's gonna get out of the house. You're gonna spend this time explaining everything to him. He's like, ah, okay. And then it was like. Like never even, like, think twice, look back, still be confident Keanu. Never even think that he did anything wrong or had a wrong read. He's just gonna be like, you know, you know, deny it and just move on. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's the confident Keanu. I mean, even with that. That ball drop contest is. What is he? I don't know what the height difference is on him, but it definitely translates into arm length and leg length. And all you to do is drop a ball in a and just like, probably reach a little and just drop it with two hands. But, you know, Mr. Overconfident here, like, that's the thing, I think. I think his overconfidence is like, everyone in the beginning was like, oh, yeah, he's real confident, sure. But it becomes a detriment at some point when he just is so relaxed that you think he's gonna win every competition.

Asia (30:28)

You know, apparently, him and Vince are the same height.

Brendan (30:32)

Are they?

Asia (30:32)

They were talking about heights the other day on the feeds, and. And Keanu was like, oh, like, we're about the same, right? And he's like, like, six foot. And then Vince was like, well, no, I think I'm more like 5:11. I was like, what?

Brendan (30:47)

Yeah. I had no idea Vince was five. Really?

Scally (30:49)

Oh, he's true.

Brendan (30:50)

I would honestly thought he was like, five, six.

Asia (30:52)

Same.

Brendan (30:54)

But, you know, I will say, like, as having been in the Big Brother house and seeing people that come out of the Big Brother house. There's a lot of people. You just are way off on how tall or how small they are. Yeah, because, like, same thing with, like, I remember Jessica and Cody after, like, a finale party. Like, the elevator open. I saw them was like, oh, hey. It was like, they're so small, you know? So it's like, you just. You can't really get proportions in the Big Brother house.

Scally (31:20)

So.

Brendan (31:20)

Yes, that's a. That's a. That's one for me. For Vince, I had no idea who's that tall, you know, it is. It's the bed picture with him sitting up with his little leg. He looks like. It reminds me of, like, a dummy. Like, somebody sitting behind him, like, like, moving his head or something. It looks like fake legs. I think that's what did it for me.

Trent Armstrong (31:44)

So Vince wins the hoh And. And he knew exactly what he was gonna do. Of course, in Vince fashion, we didn't see a ton of this in the episode, but he did promise Keanu that night that he would not put Keanu on the block and that he would be targeting Morgan. And then it wasn't until the day after that he was like, so anyway, I think. I think I need to do this. She said she's. She's not making me, but she is making me.

Brendan (32:17)

Great.

Trent Armstrong (32:20)

And. And Keanu is very betrayed and hurt, bro. It doesn't even make any sense, bro. You need to rip off the other band aid. Everyone knows that she ran your HOH and she got you to take out Lauren, So now you need to listen to me and take out Morgan. Duh.

Asia (32:42)

Why didn't Keanu here sell that? You don't take out Morgan. I'm voting for Morgan. Ava's voting for Morgan. Like, he's not emphasizing jury votes enough because Vince is just like, maybe not in the episode. Okay. Okay. Because I'm like, he. Vince is just like, no, I can beat her. As opposed to where the votes actually Lie.

Brendan (33:06)

Does he really think. Does Vince really. Is he convinced he can be Morgan?

Trent Armstrong (33:11)

So what I will say is, in this moment in the episode, after his conversation with Keanu, he does talk to the cameras and say that he thinks he can still be Morgan.

Brendan (33:21)

Okay.

Trent Armstrong (33:22)

At this point in time, I don't know if he still thinks that, but he did say that at the time.

Brendan (33:28)

I mean, it's crazy to me. Again, that's. This is like a self awareness thing where he's. He's just waffled on so many of his HOHs. That's really hard for anybody to sit back and be like, yeah, he really owned his HOHs. He made some big moves. He really got out some people because they're all going to say the same thing. I know Rachel is going to be thinking the exact thing that Morgan ran him on every single hoh. I don't know how. And I mean, Kelly and Lauren go out and feel betrayed by men, so he has no shot. There's just so many people I feel like he's got very little chance with. You know, they're not gonna vote for him.

Trent Armstrong (34:00)

And the thing, too, he's in this episode in the diary room being like, I don't like this narrative of Morgan running my HOHs. I would love somebody to take that clip and then cut in with the Curb youb Enthusiasm music. All of the times Vince has told all, she's making me do it. She made me do it. I didn't do it on purpose.

Brendan (34:21)

She made me.

Trent Armstrong (34:22)

She made me. Because it's just like. Where do you think that narrative came from?

Brendan (34:27)

Vince? Yeah. I mean, yeah, his. His, like, ability to appear spineless and, like, just be a. Like a, you know, a flogging doll for Morgan worked for him to stay in the game, but now he's trying to backtrack and use that to win the game. But it's. You've, like, you've already. You've already wasted it here. You know, you. You had the chance to at least own your moves or say something at the time, but now you spent so much time trying not to because you didn't want to upset anyone that now no one's going to believe you when you finally try to take credit for the things you actually did, you know? Yeah.

Scally (35:02)

You can spend all season propping someone else as the bigger threat than you, but you are not allowed to then be shocked that the bigger threat would beat you in the final two.

Asia (35:10)

Right?

Brendan (35:11)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I only. I've been thinking that Vince wins against Ava. I Don't think he wins against Keanu. And actually, I think he's got. I think Ashley's got a decent shot with Vince because I think he may have poisoned the jury because this would strike me as a very personal voting jury. I can easily see that, especially somebody. People don't watch a game, right? A Keanu and a Kelly. They don't. They're not, like, voting for the best player. They're voting the person who did. Who probably did not piss them off the most. I see a Will and a Rachel voting for good game, but also like, and Ashley over events because they respect Ashley a lot more than Vince's game because they'll vote for a Morgan any day of the week, but Morgan's not sitting up there. They would probably vote for Ashley. So, I mean, he's got a good shot. He does got a good shot losing against most everybody except I think at this point.

Trent Armstrong (36:04)

Well, this is a good. A good question for you, Brendan. Obviously, you can't speak for Rachel, but in that jury segment that we were talking about, she was at the time, both her and Will are saying, like, wow, Vince is really, like, doing the thing. He's got Morgan wrapped around his finger now. I think that perception will change. But they also seem to have the perception that Ashley is kind of a floater. One of the questions that Rachel was asked in exit press was who's. Who's like, who's the biggest floater?

Brendan (36:33)

Who.

Trent Armstrong (36:33)

Which floater needs to grab a life fest? And she said maybe. Oh, maybe Ashley, actually.

Brendan (36:38)

Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't think she was wrong, and I don't think she was wrong in thinking that. I think she is of the opinion that, like, Ashley needs to do something. You need to have a little bit of a resume. It's really hard to say if you weren't running the game. I mean, a lot of people can say they're running game, but if you don't have any power, you weren't really pushing people to make moves. I don't know. Ashley was. So I think Rachel ultimately does want Ashley to get something on her resume that, you know, like, she takes out a Morgan and, like, to get to, like, final Three, I mean, that would be massive. Right.

Trent Armstrong (37:10)

So, I mean, say, let's say Vince cuts Morgan at final three, takes Ashley.

Brendan (37:15)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (37:16)

Does Rachel vote Vince for taking out Morgan or Ashley?

Brendan (37:19)

I think he would go. I think she'd go for Vince. I mean, I think she would go for Vince. I'd have a hard time not thinking that. Because even, even that, that'd be like the biggest game move up to this point. And then past that, he's probably going to win Final 3 to get to the Final 2 chair too. So, I mean, at that point, I think he's just winning out as well. So he's sitting next to Ashley. I think Rachel's voting Vince. Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (37:43)

Yeah.

Scally (37:43)

But that requires Vince being willing to turn on Morgan. I feel like.

Brendan (37:49)

I know. I mean, I think the person that turns on Morgan could stand a shot to win the game because that right now is like the biggest. That would be the biggest resume builder. And I don't know really care who it comes from, but I think somebody really like takes up their resume like tenfold.

Scally (38:05)

Exactly.

Brendan (38:06)

Because that's the person who everybody's expecting right now to win. So I'm sure inside the house too. Right. I mean, they all want to target her for good reason.

Asia (38:14)

Well, yeah, I feel like for that happening is if Morgan wins this coming hoh. Because that would be their only chance to try to get out Vince.

Brendan (38:25)

Yeah.

Asia (38:26)

And then, then they have a 2.2/3 chance to get the final HOH.

Trent Armstrong (38:33)

Yeah.

Brendan (38:33)

I mean, is there a. Is there a universe where Morgan ever considers trying to take Vince out?

Trent Armstrong (38:40)

No, I don't think so. Especially because, like, it'd be one thing if she feared she couldn't beat him. Like, would she ever consider it? But honestly, even if she couldn't beat him, I think she would still take him.

Brendan (38:50)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (38:50)

But she's also would. Like, she's never been in a position where she wouldn't have forced him into the situations where she wouldn't beat him.

Brendan (38:58)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (38:59)

Yeah.

Brendan (38:59)

I mean, I. Obviously Vince really would have loved for somebody to take Morgan out. You know, I really do think he does because he knows she's a very strong competitor, but at the same time, he's so scared that he would never do it himself. And at this point, there's very few people left to even do it, you know, So I don't think anyone is. You know, I think. I think Morgan is like right now, like a 90 chance of winning. I. I don't see much getting in her way.

Trent Armstrong (39:26)

Yeah. And. And we see in this episode the nominations play out this way. Keanu and Ava on the block via trivia Death Party Massacre Voodoo dolls.

Brendan (39:41)

So weird when you need her, you know?

Trent Armstrong (39:45)

Yeah. I lost my mind that we had an entirely different format for nominations with these dolls and they still are doing the. The super lame thing of my first nominee is.

Brendan (40:02)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (40:02)

This doll. My second nominee. It's like, why can't you just say their names? It's so unnatural.

Brendan (40:08)

I mean, I was walking around my house, and I was, like, just listening to it, and I was like, wait, who was it? They're not saying it. It's like, dude, I mean, taking away the wheel was one thing, but in turning it and, like, that was very, you know, anticlimactic. But now you're not even. You, like, take one step out of it now, too. We're not even seeing somebody's face. You're seeing a doll with some word scribbled on it. I mean, it's. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna read that you. Yeah, yeah. What does it say? For your glasses on, you have voodoo dolls.

Scally (40:40)

Like, pin them to the wall. Like, do something interesting.

Brendan (40:44)

Everybody could set them on fire. Like, reveal somebody's name or something, like. Or bring Kelly into, like, do some of the bugs and. You know what I mean? I don't know.

Asia (40:57)

Yeah, she's gonna be bummed she missed that.

Trent Armstrong (41:00)

What if Ellie was the mastermind the whole time?

Brendan (41:02)

So was there a ouija board there, too? Yeah, I. I don't know. I. I honestly, just outside of, like, because I have not been an avid watcher, I keep up with big brother, but it's been hard for me to watch this for the last, like, five, six years. But, like, the key wheel, I mean, was such a great thing in big brother, and people underestimate how intense that was and, like, how stressful it was. But also, like, I always say, that last key that you left in the wheel sent a message to whoever you were. Like, I didn't nominate you, but just so you know, you're really close. You know, it's like, that intensity. And also, at the very beginning, I want to see who's safe. I want to see who you picked first, second, third, because that tells me who you consider to be, like, your close people in this house, whether they're alliance or not. I mean, it revealed a lot about the game that I really think that we missed from not having that. So, I mean, that was one thing. I. I just. I think they really need to bring it back just for. For the sake of the game, you know, because it makes people think a lot more, you know, even when they're hoh. Because don't make hoh is easy. That's the one thing that needs to happen is, like, don't make hoh is easy. You shouldn't. It should be stressful. It should be tough. You don't need to break down and cry. Every week, like, Vince, you know.

Trent Armstrong (42:20)

No, don't say you have to cry.

Brendan (42:25)

Like, every time he wins. It's like, what was I thinking? I don't. Oh, God. You know, it's like, so why are you winning, man? You know, it's like Lauren winning. It's like, how many hohs have you had that win this season and, like, immediately regret because now they have to nominate somebody. You're like, what is wrong with you?

Asia (42:42)

That gets me every time he says, no, don't do that. Don't think that. It was when Ava was like, now I'm alone. Don't think that.

Brendan (42:50)

No.

Asia (42:52)

Oh, thanks. Now I won't.

Trent Armstrong (42:54)

He says that every time someone starts crying, too. It's such a strange response. No, no, stop. Don't do that.

Brendan (43:04)

The best one was when he started. Who was it? Early on when Lauren was crying and he. He was, like, trying to make, like, he started making himself look worse. Like, oh, well, yeah, but I have to. I can't remember what it was. But you. You did it, Taryn. But he was. He was, like, pointing out, well, I have to deal with even more in.

Trent Armstrong (43:20)

The gutter than yours.

Brendan (43:24)

Yep. It's like, damn, this guy, dude.

Trent Armstrong (43:26)

Yeah.

Brendan (43:27)

Like, out. Out. Like, cry a crier.

Trent Armstrong (43:30)

She's crying on her birthday. I know, but it's even worse for me.

Brendan (43:36)

Dude. I mean, how could any girl, like, back home be like, yeah, that's my man.

Asia (43:41)

That's my man of seven years.

Brendan (43:44)

He's playing a solid game. He's just. He just. I mean, he's not really like that. It's just. It's an act. He's. He's a really good actor.

Asia (43:50)

He's playing the game.

Brendan (43:52)

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know. I just don't get it.

Trent Armstrong (43:55)

Amazing.

Asia (43:56)

Oh, he even had that perspective when he's trying to sell it to Keanu. Why he should put him on the block was. Well, you don't. You don't. You don't see it from that perspective. Like, I. I can't put her on the block initially because she's gonna be like, oh, yeah, it makes sense for Keanu and Ava to be on the block. You don't see it like that. Of course he doesn't. He's playing the game too.

Brendan (44:17)

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. I mean, yeah, this. This end game is just crazy. I mean, that's why I think it's been. It's been at least interesting to fall because it doesn't look very linear whatsoever. It's just that everyone is just all over the place. And they're all kind of, kind of self interested but not self aware. So it's very weird, you know, I mean, the only person I really do feel is like, has a very good reads on everything is Ashley. I feel like she's the only person I can see at this point that really has a. Has a good beat on every single person that's left in the house. So that's why I really do want her to do something to get the final three and really show that, you know, she's. She is playing the game because she's done a amazing job of really downplaying herself. I mean, there were so many people come out of the house, thought she was legitimately dumb. You know, she was. In her head, she had no idea what she's doing. And I mean, even for me, for a long time, even after I knew she was an attorney, there's a couple times I was like, wait, Ashley, what do you. You know? But yeah, I mean, she has done. I mean, she's done. Done a pretty good job right now. So if she can, she can pull it out. I mean, she makes some good arguments. So I could see. I could see. Well, no, I already know what's happening, unfortunately. So I was gonna say she could be one of the few people that could convince Vince to. I could see her having been somebody that could convince Vince to nominate Morgan or backdoor her to get rid of her as a way to potentially win the game. If she could do that again, that would be a fun. I'm gonna move again. You know, I mean, if you could get him. But you know, it's gonna happen. No.

Asia (45:57)

So, I mean, so much credit to Ashley for how she's playing this, because even in a conversation with Keanu the other day, she's like, keanu, like, like, we're intelligent people, we can think for ourselves. And Keanu's like, makes these eyes like, yeah, right.

Brendan (46:12)

Yeah.

Asia (46:13)

It's just like, I fear she's done so good that final two speeches are not going to be enough to give. Convince people otherwise that like, oh, yeah, you're a lawyer. But we still think.

Brendan (46:25)

Yeah, exactly. I know, I know. I mean, I will say, I mean, you know, you know, somebody, a lawyer, she's. She's good at speaking in general, but also good at trying to put together points inside her head without having a piece of paper in front of her. So there's a good chance that Ashley could, if she made some good moves, naming them off one at a time and goes against somebody like, you know, an Ava. Like, I. I think she blows Ava out of the water because, you know, what does Ava say, you know, when she gets up there? So, I mean, I don't know. I think, frankly. Do you have to have frankly one more time? I mean, come on.

Trent Armstrong (47:02)

Anything else from the episode that we should talk about before we get to some feet?

Brendan (47:07)

No. I mean, the feeds are way more interesting at this point. That statement. Watching Ava for like two minutes, drink her wine and say Lahayam was like America. Yeah. Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (47:20)

I don't even know that's what it was like.

Brendan (47:23)

This is what. You guys. You guys really running on stuff. I mean, there had to been.

Asia (47:27)

I didn't.

Brendan (47:27)

I mean, we saving all the stuff, the good stuff for the next episode. I mean, they're really trying to parse it. I'm guessing. Right. At this point.

Asia (47:33)

I didn't realize that masterminds layer thing was in the have not room.

Trent Armstrong (47:38)

Yeah.

Asia (47:38)

Because I was wondering on feeds, I was like, how are they getting back to the living room so fast? But that made sense once I saw it in the episode.

Brendan (47:45)

When did they end have nots? Does anyone know? Were we able to keep track of this anymore?

Trent Armstrong (47:51)

Last one, I think was pre. Certainly pre Vinnie Hoh. The third time.

Brendan (47:57)

Okay. Did they announce it to be a big deal when they'd be like, no, they said so.

Trent Armstrong (48:03)

I think they were like, no more have nots.

Brendan (48:06)

Was anybody happy or were they even like.

Trent Armstrong (48:09)

I. I'm sure they. I like the thing is that nobody, like the audience really doesn't care.

Brendan (48:15)

That's so weird. I just don't. I mean, I don't know why they're still having stuff that like, plays no part of the game anymore. I think there's.

Trent Armstrong (48:23)

I think there's like a producer that just loves it.

Brendan (48:27)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (48:29)

It's like, that's my jam. I want to do this all the time.

Brendan (48:33)

Yeah. Oh, man.

Trent Armstrong (48:35)

I get to watch this myself. I don't care if anybody else.

Brendan (48:39)

They're so hungry. It's so fun to watch. I love it. Like, watch Survivors, bok choy and baby food. I mean, they used to be a thing, right? It's like that's not even. Not even a thing anymore. I don't. I don't. I just don't get it. They have so many things that are existing in the game but serve no function anymore. You know, it's like the keys, like nominating the stupid keys. Like turn it and then the screen turns on. I mean, what's. What. Why even the key anymore? You know, at this point, just press a button. You know, it'd be faster. I mean.

Trent Armstrong (49:12)

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Trent Armstrong (52:37)

Now let's get to some spoilers.

Brendan (52:41)

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Scally (52:47)

A spoiler warning means that an actual.

Brendan (52:49)

Spoiler against this country has been detected and that protective action should be taken.

Trent Armstrong (52:57)

All right, so on the feeds we know, we have discovered, we have learned that they played a veto competition. It was tiny Veto.

Brendan (53:10)

Oh, it was.

Trent Armstrong (53:11)

It was tiny veto and tiny Veto. Not good for big man. Keanu did not win tiny Veto. He was very upset with this competition. Felt like it should not have been another stacking competition. And. And in fact, it was Morgan that won the power of veto, her fourth veto now. And that seals Keanu's fate. Assuming there's no extra twist happening. The two votes, Morgan and Ashley fully planned to vote out Keanu here. They have told him as such. And so our final four, looking very likely, like it will be Ashley, Ava, Morgan, and Vince.

Brendan (54:05)

And now Morgan and Vince are a power couple of friends.

Asia (54:11)

Our friends, right.

Brendan (54:12)

Yes.

Trent Armstrong (54:14)

Our friends with sleeping in the same bad benefits.

Brendan (54:17)

Yeah. At the bottom of the bed.

Asia (54:19)

Like, you know, option one, full steam ahead.

Brendan (54:25)

I kept seeing that on chat.

Trent Armstrong (54:27)

Bcc.

Brendan (54:27)

I still don't really know what it is.

Trent Armstrong (54:29)

It's their code. Not. Not very well disguised code for having feelings. Option one is maybe, I think, like, getting together potentially.

Brendan (54:42)

That is funny.

Trent Armstrong (54:43)

Yeah.

Brendan (54:44)

So what. How. How has this been used? It's like a verb or a noun or like, I'm gonna.

Trent Armstrong (54:49)

I was thinking about it. I'm thinking option one.

Brendan (54:52)

Yeah.

Scally (54:54)

I'm sorry.

Trent Armstrong (54:57)

Not really.

Asia (55:00)

But, you know, option one. But we have the variable.

Trent Armstrong (55:05)

Well, for obvious reasons, we can't do option one until October.

Asia (55:10)

Right.

Trent Armstrong (55:10)

For obvious reasons.

Brendan (55:12)

Yeah, yeah.

Asia (55:13)

Because of the variable.

Trent Armstrong (55:15)

Yeah, yeah. It's like variable. We need to solve for a variable. Yeah, yeah. We have to do that first before we can solve the equation.

Scally (55:25)

Exactly.

Brendan (55:26)

Yeah.

Scally (55:26)

Option one, implying the existence of option two would be quite upsetting as the variable.

Trent Armstrong (55:33)

We know what option two is.

Brendan (55:35)

I'm pooping my pants. This was during the esthetician talk. Was it statistics? No. Why? That was so hard to think of the statistian.

Trent Armstrong (55:51)

Yeah.

Brendan (55:56)

Man. Yeah. Will they. Won't they? This. You know, this. This is feeling like Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan all over again. You know, sleep is in the big brother house.

Trent Armstrong (56:06)

It's truly.

Asia (56:09)

I just. I don't know. I was just gonna say, I don't know if they think when the lights go off, the feeds are kind of done, so they're speaking in code for production, or if they're truly speaking in code for the live feeds, thinking that people cannot deduce what they are trying to say.

Trent Armstrong (56:28)

It would not be the first time that people thought they could get away with things on the feeds. I mean, even infidelity.

Asia (56:37)

It's like, okay, you have your pillow barrier, right? But when you get in the bed vents, you slide your hand underneath it, and then you're like, morgan, is this okay? Are you ever gonna tell me this is not okay?

Trent Armstrong (56:50)

At least. At least he's good with consent. You know what I mean? Like, bar is low.

Asia (56:54)

Like, what is he doing? Massaging her ankle.

Brendan (56:58)

What's he massaging your ankle?

Asia (57:00)

He's doing something that he's asking her if it's okay, and he's like, if.

Trent Armstrong (57:05)

It'S ever not okay, fine. I don't care.

Brendan (57:07)

Oh, my God.

Asia (57:09)

He's like, this brings me so much comfort. I don't know why.

Brendan (57:12)

I just love stroking your toes and so weird.

Asia (57:16)

The bad part is, has her toes like this.

Scally (57:20)

If option one had ever just been realized in the house, we would talk about it so much less, like, it would be, you know, it'd be over.

Brendan (57:30)

Done, and over with.

Trent Armstrong (57:31)

It's like, okay, well, that's what's happened with every other, like, infidelity situation on the feeds is like, I mean, people gave Austin a lot of crap for it, but, like, he just kind of owned it, and then people kind of moved on. Yeah, that was it.

Asia (57:45)

It.

Brendan (57:46)

And then he walked out of the house barefoot.

Trent Armstrong (57:49)

He did.

Brendan (57:51)

Best part of Austin's eviction. Oh, man. Yeah, I. I mean, I just don't know. I mean, very interesting, though. What kind of questions do they get asked if Morgan and Vince are like, final two? They're like, nobody wants to ask any questions. All they want to do is keep asking him, like, so do you like Morgan or what's going on there? Not even about the game. Like, we just want know, are you guys, like, did you kiss or what's going on? It'll just be, like, gradually increasing in the questions that we really want to know for that final two chair spot.

Trent Armstrong (58:27)

I'm shocked that more people in the house aren't just assuming that they're just full on together at this Point considering they sleep together in the same bed every single night. If I were in that house, I'd be like, oh yeah, there are. There are a couple clear. Like, you don't do that if you're not a couple. I would assume they're going a lot further.

Scally (58:48)

That's actual showmances have been caught over far less.

Trent Armstrong (58:53)

Time together sometimes.

Brendan (58:54)

Yeah, I mean, it was for me like mind blowing a final eight that you had two people that were clearly already in some sort of showmance esque thing and everyone's just like, oh yeah, well, what are we gonna do? I don't know. It's like, well, you could nominate them.

Trent Armstrong (59:12)

You know, Brandon, imagine like multiple people in the house just assuming that you would turn on Rachel. Like. Yeah, well, obviously he'll be great. He knows he needs to.

Brendan (59:25)

Of course. Guys. Yeah. Good. Totally. Yeah, bro. To the end. Yeah. Aiden, Lane, I got Laden, Lane, Hayden, I got you guys. Yeah. Rider dies, right? And then believing it. I mean, that would be the crazy part. Yeah, I just, I mean to me it's mind blowing again. You sent Will out when you have like an obvious couple in the house still like, still sitting there. And Lauren, like Rachel told her, it's like, why are you letting a 34 year old unemployed guy run your game? You know, it's like, but she did up until the end. You know, I just don't get it.

Asia (60:01)

I just does not make sense. I imagine like if Keanu could be a fly on the wall just to hear all of the late night talks with Vince and Morgan, like what he.

Trent Armstrong (60:13)

Would think of Vince, Asia, Brandon. Asia doesn't get it. Yeah, each other in the big brother house.

Brendan (60:20)

Yeah. You know, he's gonna tell the girls what they want to hear, obviously. But bros, we're bros. We don't. That never lets up.

Asia (60:33)

The bromance is strong.

Brendan (60:35)

I get it.

Scally (60:37)

That's exactly the same as I think when like Keanu gets out of the house, like it's a lot easier for him to believe that Vince was lying for 24 hours a day for 80 something days than it is for him to have his entire ego shattered.

Brendan (60:49)

Oh, yeah, yeah. Or just get out and be like, yeah, you know, honestly, dude, Morgan made it do wasn't Vince at all, dude. He's like, she just, I don't know, like she hadn't by the sack, you know, I mean, genuinely, that is what.

Trent Armstrong (61:04)

He'S most pissed about. Like, I can't believe you let Morgan do this to you, bro. You're so weak about it. You Know.

Brendan (61:09)

Yeah, dude, sack up, bro. Come on.

Trent Armstrong (61:12)

We were supposed to be watching dodgeball together, bro.

Brendan (61:15)

Yeah. Oh, my God. We were talking about skating. We were kids and.

Trent Armstrong (61:19)

Yeah.

Brendan (61:19)

What happened, dude?

Trent Armstrong (61:21)

You just let her succubus magic infect you.

Brendan (61:24)

Yeah. It really is crazy that he was really most excited about the hoh to just hang out with this uninterrupted.

Trent Armstrong (61:31)

He's like that desperate for male attention.

Brendan (61:34)

Like, that's exactly. That is Keanu's game. Wasn't even thinking the fact that this is like Final 5. If he wins this, he's definitely guaranteed Final 4. He's thinking like, yeah, dude, it's. It's done. Like, me and Vince got. We're right or dies final two here for sure. You know, it's like, it doesn't matter what I do. I'm, you know, I'm good. It doesn't even cross his mind. It doesn't even, you know, amazing.

Asia (62:00)

His standard for friendship is concerning because what Vince gives him is nothing. Yeah, he just replies and he's like, yeah, we're good.

Brendan (62:11)

That's why he doesn't have any bros calling him from Nigeria about like a ten thousand dollar loan they need for their father's farm or something. You know, I mean, because he might just. He might fall for it. You know.

Asia (62:25)

He hears any bass in that voice. This is homie for life.

Trent Armstrong (62:29)

And it's. And it's truly been the downfall of his game so consistently from day one. It just has. Consistently. He consistently puts his trust in the wrong people. From Zay to Jimmy to Zach to Riley to Vince, just like one after another. And they. They all betray him and he keeps going back every time. And it is. It is exactly this attitude and this. This sort of inclination that has led to his downfall despite the success in competitions. And. Yeah, I mean, it is only fitting that this is the way that he ends up going out, you know, just goofing around because he felt too comfortable.

Brendan (63:16)

I mean, I also did think it's kind of ironic that the big brother blockbuster ends and then like two, you know, two. Two nominations later, he's like, already going.

Asia (63:25)

I mean, Kelly and then him.

Brendan (63:28)

Yeah, that speaks to me like volumes about what the blockbuster was doing into the jury phase. Like, it shouldn't have been there. You should have. You should have gotten rid of this a while ago. And I mean, maybe even before the final nine. I don't even know. But at least the jury phase, you should just see people play. Because I think it just, it. It changes it so much. It allows These people that don't have to have a social game. You know, I like comp beast. I mean I like people that can win. We got it. We need a players. You don't want just one type of player and big brother for sure. But at the same time you need to be able to do both, you know, to be a successful player. So it's like, it just really is kind of like it changed just what we're watching, you know. So.

Trent Armstrong (64:13)

Yeah. So the real question left is will anybody beat Morgan in competitions? Will Ashley manage to somehow take Morgan out and or will Vince actually turn on Morgan when it comes to a final three situation? Perhaps will he actually take that shot? Indication right now is no, but I don't think it's impossible. You know, Vince has always taken the easy path, but he has always also taken the most self interested path. And those two things now conflict.

Brendan (64:52)

So yeah, you know, I mean at this point he has no. He. His hands are tied no matter what because it's. Well, I guess it's what one, one is it? Yeah, it is. Right. So it's gonna be two, two voters.

Trent Armstrong (65:07)

Off the block for, for this week with Morgan having the veto. Keanu will leave and then next week is theoretically the first chance they'll have. I don't think he, I don't think there's a chance in hell he takes out Morgan at 4 and willingly goes to the end with Ashley and Ava. I think he'd worry about losing to Ashley and Ava in the final three hoh and them taking each other.

Brendan (65:28)

Oh really?

Trent Armstrong (65:29)

Yeah.

Brendan (65:30)

You think you worry about that? I mean I, I think he'd worry about upsetting Morgan and then like, I.

Trent Armstrong (65:37)

Guess what I'm saying, like even if he's thinking strategically, I think that he would not want to take that risk. Whereas what he would, what he might consider is, you know, we go to the final three hoh with say Ashley or Ava and we easily beat them. Part one, part two, it's me versus Morgan in part three. If I beat her in that, that then I have the option to cut her try my hand at facing Ashley or Ava. I think the problem for him is does he guaranteed win against Ashley or Ava? That is, I, I don't think we have that answer for sure. And I think he certainly doesn't have that answer for sure. And if he's gonna burn Morgan after burning his real life for Morgan and then still not win, like that's a really terrifying prospect. I have to imagine.

Brendan (66:27)

When is the round table air? When do we get the round table.

Trent Armstrong (66:30)

It's usually the finale, I think.

Brendan (66:32)

Is it? Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.

Scally (66:34)

These days.

Trent Armstrong (66:35)

Yeah. They film it a few days. So they'll probably film it like Thursday or Friday.

Asia (66:40)

Wait, when is this eviction happening? Tomorrow.

Trent Armstrong (66:44)

It. Well, Sharon said it was tonight. Oh.

Asia (66:47)

They did say you never know what's gonna happen in the daytime or the nighttime. So maybe that is what they're waiting for Production.

Brendan (66:54)

Probably.

Trent Armstrong (66:59)

I mean it. What a wild journey it would be if. If the feeds came back tomorrow and like Ava was gone somehow. Wow. Really?

Brendan (67:10)

Yeah. It was safe due to my mayhem.

Asia (67:13)

Right. They're gonna vote by like like closing their eyes and whoever's name they hit.

Brendan (67:20)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (67:20)

And it's all Ava pick up the.

Brendan (67:24)

300 pound weight by themselves.

Asia (67:32)

Expect the unexpected.

Brendan (67:34)

Yeah. I mean, no going into this. Taryn is. I would call you a historian. What do you think we could expect? What kind of comps are. Can we see a final four? I always forget what we're doing.

Trent Armstrong (67:45)

Likely to see hoh something like what the bleep feels pretty likely. They. They like to do that one at final four. Some kind of booth comp. But what the bleep is one of their favorites to do. And then final four veto has very steadily over the last few years been something that involves days but also some kind of physical component. So like running back and forth and putting a thing like this. This thing happened on this day. So I connect this over here and then I run back over here and so something that Morgan is likely going to have a big edge for and you know, if not her probably Vince. Which means that she's probably safe at 5.

Brendan (68:31)

Which. Which day's competition was the one that Jerry won? Didn't he win a day that well that.

Trent Armstrong (68:37)

So Jerry won a. That was an hoh competition at final. At final four.

Brendan (68:45)

Wow.

Trent Armstrong (68:45)

And it was like whatever they did.

Brendan (68:49)

For make Jerry be able to win something.

Trent Armstrong (68:52)

Right. Well, unfortunately that was, you know a good like 15. No more than 15. That was. That was 17 years ago.

Brendan (69:03)

Yeah. But they should bring Jerry back for all stars guys. Real.

Trent Armstrong (69:06)

Yeah. Yeah. I believe that was the. The sorry 5. The rolling a ball. That was for years they used to say on big Brother it was like a saying like you could just. You could be in a bad position because somebody rolled a ball into a hole. And it was because of that competition. The people, you know, it's just like that kind of thing. But nowadays not so much.

Brendan (69:36)

Yeah. I mean because I do want to see something that is the least equitable. So I don't wanna I don't want to see a obviously Morgan very, very, you know, tough athlete. So we know she can do a lot of running and moving and quick, you know. So it's like I do want to see something where at least an Ava Ashley would have a shot.

Asia (69:56)

Yeah.

Brendan (69:56)

Not make it like over the top easy, but. Yeah, like what the bleep or a quiz. I mean something like that might at least be a little bit more fair.

Asia (70:04)

And Ashley has been studying so as long as there's not a super physical element to it, she has a chance.

Brendan (70:10)

Yeah. Okay.

Trent Armstrong (70:12)

I would love it if they reversed it. If they made the HOH their typical final four veto and then they made the veto something like what the bleep or, or just even just a straight quiz if you want to make it a little more like skill based because the veto is so much more important at final four. And the reason why Morgan's basically locked into the end game is because she's such a heavy favorite in in any kind of veto of kind that they'd normally do. But what are you gonna do?

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Brendan (73:02)

Yes, it is. So we need everyone to be voting for Rachel because a lot of casual viewers are voting for Keanu. And I understand liking Keanu. It just drives me crazy that again, Keanu's made it this far. Like, I like him, but he's just been competing. Horrible strategy. I mean, come on, vote for Rachel. I mean, she played her butt off, got taken out by a stupid twist. I get it. Like, she did lose the competition ultimately, but at the same time, like, it shouldn't have been there. You know, you shouldn't end a week one competition. Week nine. It just really sucked. And I, I, I have been saying this and, and I'm sure production is hating me for it, but I kind of feel like voting for voting for Rachel at least is a vote towards somebody who's playing the game. Voting for Keanu just reinforces the whole stereotype of what they want is just people playing cops. And so you get a cam, you get a Keanu, you get all these guys that are just physical. They're going to stop listening to everyone complaining that they want social aspects of Big Brother other because they're diluting a lot more to the point where I think it has changed it and, and it's, it sucks because I, I think, you know, for all of them to play 60 days to make it to jury and then have a stupid competition right after you're like, oh, woo, we made it. You're like all excited. I mean, it really took this, you know, the air out of the sales, I mean, for them, you know, because not even just for Rachel, but once they realized she was gone and they were like, oh wait, this could happen to us too. I mean, they all started like sweating and getting pissed and getting upset too, you know. So I think it really wasn't the game that they all thought they Were playing too, you know, I mean, for.

Trent Armstrong (74:41)

Rachel to be one of the most screwed over players in Big Brother history and not when America's favorite.

Asia (74:47)

I have never wanted to throw up.

Trent Armstrong (74:49)

More in my life. It's not for me.

Brendan (74:54)

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I appreciate rap support for. For Rachel because I. I guess that I think she deserved it. It. And again, for us, some people are like, oh, she doesn't need the money. We could use the money. But outside of that, it really is just for her, like, the affirmation. Like, I just want her to know that everybody enjoyed watching her and enjoy her playing good game and a strong game because again, it's like they just. For me, a lot of these ads have been trying to really just, you know, position it to look as though the twist was fine. Like, Rachel just went out of her own hand and like, just keep, you know, saying little bits and little here. Like Julie Khan, Ashley and Rachel, mean girls for Yona Keanu. Like, to me, that was like. I mean, come on. Like, if. If you showed Keanu playing the way he has been talking the way he did to those girls, like, you would understand why they got frustrated with him and why they're yelling at him because they're tired. I mean, and it's just, you can. You can only take that for so long, you know, and this isn't the first time either that Rachel has been in a house with people that talked like that. Like, love Big Jeff. But he would do the same sort of thing to Rachel. He would talk down to her and, like, I had to bite my tongue a lot of times because the boat, you know, was always lingering in the background. But he would talk down to her and like. And again, you do that to Jordan, like, that's, you know, that's your. Your girlfriend or your wife or whatever it is. But. But you do that to my wife or my girlfriend, you know, it's a little bit of a problem. So I'm glad she stood up for herself. I'm glad she fought back. I'm tired of them portraying girls that are strong and big brother as being like bitches or bullies or any of that crap. But then you get a Keanu and he's fine, right? He's just, you know. Oh, it's just how he's raised. Yeah, yeah, he's competitive. I mean, so it's like Rachel fought hard to be there. She wanted to be there more than anyone, and she did what she had to do. I mean, she came in and acted tough and talked it tough because if she did not like, she stood a good chance of being nominated right away, you know, and it worked, you know, So, I mean, I don't know. So I think this should at least reward her for that because it would acknowledge the gameplay that she really. She really had in this game, you know, so. And yes, I'm biased.

Trent Armstrong (77:10)

I mean, it's genuinely. It's a huge issue. I. In. In my book behind the Mirror, which you can pre order@darren arson.com I wrote about specifically season 11 with Jeff and how that was such a big example of especially the Braden situation of like the ways that the show will sometimes or very often I would say leave out the provocation and then show the response.

Brendan (77:41)

Exactly.

Trent Armstrong (77:41)

Make the response seem dramatic and unwarranted because that's the drama. The provocation is left out. And so it ends up making the person look like they're dramatic. Like they're.

Brendan (77:56)

It does. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to a Reese Witherspoon thing on. On. On the daily podcast or something interview with her, but she was talking about when paparazzi would follow her with her kids and she was saying they would get you. They would like be banging on the windows, yelling at the. Yelling at the kids. And then she would like, you like leave my kids alone and guess what they show. You know, she would say they show her yelling at the paparazzi or responding to them, but they don't show all that other part. And I can't. I do think that is a problem because I think I, I just was surprised at how different the. The live feed interpretation of the show is from the casual viewership. And like, I just didn't realize how different it's gotten. I used to be like a little here, a little there, but I do feel like we're almost watching two different shows now.

Asia (78:48)

You know, Taylor Hill on the chat said I have to laugh.

Brendan (78:52)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (78:54)

Yeah. You know, the like the way that Taylor has to. Has to act on the season in order to like.

Brendan (79:00)

Yeah.

Trent Armstrong (79:00)

Get the right at it is like is being. Be 100 perfect all the time. Right. Like, otherwise, who knows?

Brendan (79:08)

I know. I just. I do really want to see Big Brother return to like what I think I. What I enjoyed playing and what I saw even before us. You know, it's just people there who want to play. I don't want to get performative artists like Ava who are there for a meme or a tick tock video or a. Or a gif. I do want to see people that are hungry to win money come in like Those are the people that I want to see there. I don't want somebody just to get Instagram followers and tick tock followers. Like go in there because you want it, you love the game or you want to play and you are doing, you will do anything to stay in that game because you need people in there that are hungry because that's the problem. They put people in there who are like, you know, kind of just like blase about really competing on Big Brother like there because it sounded cool, you know, and they're attractive person, which is great. But you know, I want to see somebody who wants to play.

Asia (79:58)

You know, I think there's always going to be a disconnect as long as they advertise Big Brother as this some fun summer show. Like they're like the side that we focus on is completely different than the side that the producers care about in producing the show. So it's like I don't know if that will ever line up maybe like season 30 and on, but I doubt it.

Brendan (80:21)

Yeah, I mean, or go the other direction like a Big Brother uk, you know, go big and over the top and then have America vote or something like crazy. Like pick one or the other pick, you know, pick a lane. It's like don't go between because I think it, it dilutes both both objectives and what you're trying to produce. You know, I mean, so.

Trent Armstrong (80:41)

Well, it is a late night so we will let you, let you all get get to bed here. But there will be another episode on Wednesday and it will also be at 10pm Eastern. So it's going to be the survivor premiere at 8 for two hours. Then the 10pm Eastern episode of Big Brother 27 where we will see the veto and the eviction which I assume is probably still taking place tonight. We'll see. So stay tuned for that. I will be live on Twitch, YouTube and Patreon watching both Survivor and the Big Brother episode. We will be here to recap all of it. And of course the live feed update are coming still tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern. I'll let you know if there is an update. We also have the slop coming very soon. I believe on Tuesday. No, sorry, tomorrow. Tomorrow is the slop is happening for patrons of Rob as a podcast. That's the where things get sloppy. We just finished the Survivor preseason draft for Survivor 49 if you want to prep for the Survivor premiere coming on Wednesday. Had a great time talking about pet peeves and of course the Amazing Race draft also happened. The Big Brother version of the Amazing Race featuring the aforementioned Taylor Hale. And we've also got some Love island games happening. Scally, what's. What's going on with Love Island?

Scally (82:20)

Love Island Games has been super fun this season. Lots of drama, actual gameplay going on. So check out the. We know Love island feed.

Trent Armstrong (82:30)

Yes, of course. We have some events coming up. One in New York on October 8th for Survivor and one in San Francisco on November 5th. So check out tickets for those events if you want to come hang out with us. And of course, chat bcc Brandon's. I mean, sorry, Rachel Riley is over there and a bunch of other people having fun in a while, but yeah.

Brendan (82:55)

You know, she could be posting tonight. I think maybe.

Trent Armstrong (82:57)

There you go. And of course, this podcast brought to you by Pluto tv where you can find some live feeds to watch on your own. And there you can also find the.

Brendan (83:10)

Branch of wedding on Pluto TV too. Oh, David Deterra, My Fair Wedding. Yep.

Trent Armstrong (83:19)

Okay. Well, of course you can also, again, find my book@taranamstrong.com and. And. And all the other stuff. Brandon Brennan, what else do you got going on?

Brendan (83:33)

Let's see. I gotta get up tomorrow about 5:45, I start cooking breakfast and then lunch. Oh, sorry. You're probably talking about other stuff. Yeah, I mean, the truth is, is, I mean, just rooting for Rachel for America's favorite player, I'm gonna keep pushing, you know, like, I. I'm a lobbyist here, so I'm gonna. Gonna try to get my agenda through Congress. So hopefully she wins. Like I said, I would like to see that. I honestly would enjoy seeing a Morgan win and a Rachel, America's favorite player this year. That, to me, would be at least a good ending to a season that was very chaotic and driven by Rachel for at least, you know, 75 of the season.

Trent Armstrong (84:13)

Well, listen, if I get the Presidential Medal of Freedom, I. My first act with it will be to grant Rachel America.

Brendan (84:23)

Yes. I love it. I love it. That's probably how it works too. I think so.

Trent Armstrong (84:28)

I'm pretty sure that's. They get what it's like, the long walk. You get one wish.

Brendan (84:35)

I haven't seen it, man. You just spoiled it for me. Great.

Asia (84:43)

Yeah, Yeah. Y' all could follow me at Asia. Like Asia. That's a Y. S h a like Asia on all social media to see what I'm up to. Jason Reed and I are currently talking about old seasons of Married at First Sight over on our Patreon A Perfect Match podcast. And Love is blind season nine is premiering October 1st. So me Mary and Jason will be back to cover it, so make sure you subscribe to the Love at First Sight feed so you can see when the podcast drop.

Trent Armstrong (85:09)

All right, Scott, anything else?

Scally (85:11)

Yeah, when I'm not voting for Rachel, you know, we're talking about Love island, but also the challenge over on the Free Agents podcast. So go check that out.

Trent Armstrong (85:20)

All right, well, thank you all so much.

Brendan (85:22)

Soon to have Keanu on it, probably.

Scally (85:25)

It's likely.

Brendan (85:26)

It's likely. Thinks he's funny. He's a funny guy.

Trent Armstrong (85:32)

Thank you all so much for joining us here tonight and we will see all of you next time.

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