BB27 Wednesday Live Feed Update September 17, 2025

Summary

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RHAP: We Know Big Brother – BB27 Wednesday Live Feed Update (Sept. 17, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Taran Armstrong and Chantal recap all the essential events, drama, and strategies from Day 71 in the Big Brother 27 house. With only a handful of days left, alliances are fraying, indecision is rampant, and the upcoming eviction is still completely up in the air. The episode is a deep dive into the ever-shifting targets, personal conflicts, and the houseguests’ inability—or unwillingness—to play straightforward Big Brother.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Vince, Morgan, and the Never-ending Argument (03:34–17:04)

• Vince’s HOH Moves: Vince is HOH, nominated Keanu, Kelly, and Ava. Morgan won veto, saved Ava, persuading Vince to nominate Lauren in her place.
• Guilt and Emotional Manipulation: After Morgan's move, she feels guilty and Vince leans into this, manipulating Morgan and escalating the tension ("Vince, the little goblin that he is…decided, oh, perfect, she feels bad. Now I can really twist the knife and make her feel guilty, and then she'll like me even more…" – Taran, 05:12).
• Morning Bickering: The episode opens with a recount of a monotonous, circular argument between Vince and Morgan—starting from when they wake up, brushing teeth, shower, and back into bed—largely about loyalty and perceived betrayals. Both treat their in-game relationship with outsize drama.

"It’s like they are just mimicking. Yeah. Cosplaying as a married couple..." – Chantal (17:04)

• Flawed Communication: The debate achieves nothing, cycles endlessly, and can be overheard by other houseguests, with Lauren eventually crying at how loud the argument becomes.

2. Lauren’s Game Woes & Social Limits (19:13–37:04)

• Lauren’s Social Shortcomings: For the first time, Lauren finally socializes, but her inability to lie limits any meaningful progress on the block.

“I forgot that she doesn’t know how to talk to people and that’s why she doesn’t talk to people. And so my bad. You were screwed anyway, Lauren.” – Taran (19:13)

• Strategic Stagnation: Lauren refuses to promise Vince safety, maintaining strict honesty—a profound weakness in Big Brother. This frustrates both her potential allies and the show’s analysts.
• Ashley’s Calculations: Ashley, mostly a free agent, debates whom to target, weighing jury management and her own safety.

“If Lauren’s not willing to lie, then she shouldn’t talk to people. There’s no point.” – Taran (22:05)
“She shouldn’t necessarily play Big Brother...” – Chantal (22:25)

3. Ashley’s Deciding Vote & Target Oscillation (23:45–47:47)

• Ashley As Swing Vote: Ashley strategically considers whether to evict Lauren, Keanu, or Kelly, depending on matchups and who might take out her or her allies.
• Lauren vs. Kelly vs. Keanu: The debate is whether Lauren’s passive game, Kelly’s unpredictable loyalty, or Keanu’s competition threat is most dangerous.
• Personal Annoyances Equal Strategy: Ashley ultimately leans toward evicting Keanu after a particularly irritating conversation ("He is the dumbest big brother player. Bye bye, Keanu." – Ashley to cameras, 52:12).

4. Morgan’s Shifting Priorities (48:51–63:51)

• Morgan’s Dilemma: At points, Morgan is open to evicting either Lauren or Keanu. However, watching Vince and Lauren joking together (practicing “heel clicks”) sends her mood plummeting, and she becomes set on evicting Lauren (“What the fuck am I watching?” – Morgan, 59:04).
• Vince’s Reluctance: Vince vacillates; although open to evicting Lauren over Keanu, he’s slow to turn on Lauren over Kelly.
• Ashley vs. Morgan: The puzzle now is whether Ashley’s anti-Keanu push or Morgan’s anti-Lauren surge will prevail as the dominant force for the eviction.

5. The House at a Standstill (63:51–68:19)

• No Clear Target: The target continues to shift depending on who is talking to whom. Lauren is most at risk due to her passivity, but if Ashley can sway Morgan, Keanu might go instead—a rare twist.
• Kelly as Beneficiary: All this indecision is “good for Kelly,” as noted by Taran, since she survives as long as others are fighting among themselves.
• Closing Thoughts: As the show ends, Taran and Chantal reiterate that almost every eviction is plausible: Lauren, Keanu, or Kelly could go home, and the vote may depend on the next whim or annoyance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Vince and Morgan’s Relationship:

  "They are indistinguishable not only from a relationship, but it’s like they’re cosplaying a married couple." – Taran (15:02)

  “There’s nothing that will end it. There’s no goal to the argument…there’s no ending to it. I think that’s what’s so infuriating about it.” – Chantal (15:31)

• On Lauren’s Gameplay:

  "The real reason why Lauren won’t talk to anyone in the house is because she’s incapable of lying, more so than even Adrian, apparently… She will not say she won’t put him on the block." – Taran (21:07)

  "The choice to not lie in the game of Big Brother is not a moral one… The point of the game is that you are playing in this power structure type of situation… It’s insulting." – Taran (32:10)

• Ashley’s Camera Talk on Keanu (52:12–52:42):

  "If he’s on the block, I am personally evict. Evict. Evict. I just can’t stand him. I’m sorry. I’ve tried, I’ve tried to work with him, but he is the dumbest big brother player. Bye bye, Keanu."

• Morgan’s Breaking Point:

  "What the fuck am I watching?" (Morgan, watching Vince/Lauren heel clicking, 59:04)

• Episode’s Unofficial Summary:

  “Will Keanu continue to bury himself? Will Ashley make progress on trying to evict Keanu? Will Morgan make more progress trying to evict Lauren? Or will this all fall on Kelly after all? That is the question that we leave ourselves with today.” – Taran (64:16)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:34 – Start of the update; recap of HOH, veto, and shift in nominee.
• 07:43–17:04 – Vince & Morgan’s endless argument, with live commentary.
• 19:13–22:48 – Lauren’s struggles to campaign/won’t make deals.
• 23:45–29:26 – Ashley and the strategy around who to evict next.
• 37:04–44:19 – Lauren pitching to Ashley, moral argument about lying.
• 47:47–52:42 – Ashley’s growing frustration with Keanu leads to a shift in target.
• 58:16–59:04 – The “heel click” moment and Morgan’s reaction.
• 63:51–68:19 – Final state-of-the-house discussion and possibilities moving forward.

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The Tone of the Episode

The tone is exasperated but playful—with Taran and Chantal veering between genuine strategic analysis, incredulity at the houseguests’ behavior, and moments of sharp humor. Both are openly baffled by the inability of the houseguests to break out of their cycles or make definitive moves. They poke fun at the cast’s social ineptitude—a recurring theme being how little agency most of them seem to have, and how big personalities take up all the oxygen.

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Key Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• The BB27 house has devolved into a series of unresolved emotional arguments, especially between Vince and Morgan.
• Lauren’s refusal to lie or campaign, even when on the block, renders her nearly defenseless and a likely target.
• Ashley is the pivotal vote, but her decisions are increasingly based on irritation rather than game logic.
• The person most benefited by all this chaos is Kelly, who remains largely under-the-radar.
• The eviction is far from decided—Lauren, Keanu, or Kelly could each plausibly leave.
• The audience’s main emotion is exhaustion, mirrored by Taran and Chantal’s tone.

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Final Thoughts

If you’ve not been keeping up, this episode tells the story of a Big Brother house in strategic gridlock—where personality clashes are overriding logic, indecision reigns, and anything could happen in the next few days. Taran and Chantal’s recap delivers both a strategic postmortem and a running commentary on how tough it is to be a feed watcher when the houseguests are both unstrategic and dramatically self-involved.

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Transcript

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[Chantel]

The drama, all the strategy and silliness from pho to hoh.

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Every single season, you know he is the reason.

[Chantel]

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[Taren]

He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live Feed Update from for September 17th. I'm your host Darren Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that Happened yesterday. The big brother 27 live feeds. It was day 71 in the house and there's not many days left but there's still tons of drama and this vote going all over the place. So with me to talk about all of it today. Chantel, how you doing, Chantel?

[Chantel]

I'm doing well. Obviously you know that I love coming and talking big brother with you but these house guests are excruciating. To listen to them strategize, it's really painful. Taren, I don't know how you do it day in and day out. I really hope I have a few act outs though that you're going to give to me so at least I can have some theater out of these moments. But they are brutal. Sorry.

[Taren]

Listen, these people are making me work so hard.

[Chantel]

I think, I don't know if you, what do you do but like maybe recording them and then like putting it through a transcriber so at least you just have their whole test or text like just come through. Like I don't know how you do.

[Taren]

It but honestly that's, that would be nice. If we can get to the point where I've got a full transcription that would make things a lot easier because I spend a lot time.

[Chantel]

And it's the same thing over and over and over again. Okay, then we'll do this variation over and over and over again. This variation over. I'm like. And there's not that many permutations that you need to really go through. There's seven people in the house. Three of them are on the block. One of them might be in the win, the blockbuster and that's it. Like it's not that complicated, but yeah.

[Taren]

So let's talk about the day. Genuinely, there's a lot going on here so I'm going to. We're certainly going to have some fun. But there's also like important actual vote stuff happening. So of course Vince is the hoh. He nominated Keanu, Kelly and Ava. But Morgan won the veto, used it on Ava and persuaded, beat down, convinced did something to get Vince to nominate Lauren in her place. So there's that. Now the night before the night of day 70, we talked about how she had gone to the diary room and came out and was feeling bad about it, feeling a bit guilty about the situation, started sobbing and feeling why did I make you do this, Vince, I'm so sorry. But Vince, the little goblin that he is, you know, instead of taking it gracefully, decided, oh, perfect, she feels bad. Now I can really twist the knife and make her feel guilty, and then she'll like me even more and do what I want. And so he took the opportunity to. To really push and push and push Morgan and. And be like, yeah, you did ruin my game. Now I can't win now. I can't win at all. And do you know what? Now more now Lauren's saying that she might have to put me on the block because of you, Morgan. Because of you. And I was like, well, that's a bad thing to tell Morgan. And every time he started pushing, she started. She started sort of, like, getting defensive and back and forth and back and forth. But she was very sad. She was very regretful. And he, of course, took the opportunity, as I mentioned, to try to amplify that as much as possible. And that's where we left off the night before. So we woke up in the morning exactly after a couple hours of sleep, and Morgan is still feeling really bad. However, not as bad as the night before. And now she's starting to remember all of the things that Vinnie was saying the night before. And now she's more adamant about the decision being the correct one than she was before because Vinnie tried to push her in the opposite direction. And so they wake up and immediately start arguing again.

[Chantel]

And, like, the argument is really just going around in circle. And. Oh, and now she's mad at him because he went to go brush his teeth, but he closed the door. And why did he.

[Taren]

Don't worry. We'll get there. Sorry, sorry.

[Chantel]

I didn't want to jump the gun there, but this conversation, like, just the beginning of the day, I was like, this is like, come on, guys. I can't just wake up, have some breakfast, have a nice conversation about something else.

[Taren]

But it's literally. He is still in bed waking up, and she starts going. And she's. You know, I don't like how you threatened our relationship on me keeping Lauren, Vince, and that conversation last night. Like, I don't like how you were trying to make me feel guilty about it. He was like, but I thought you were feeling guilty. And she's like, I just don't like how. How it was handled. And I don't. I really just. It really. Vince, it really upset me that you would threaten our relationship outside of this house because of Lauren. I just wanted you to honor what.

[Chantel]

I did.

[Taren]

That you want to keep someone in the house that wants me out.

[Chantel]

It's not that I want to keep her.

[Taren]

I just can't be the one to take her out. Why? Because that looks so bad now it's important to note that Kelly and Lauren are playing chess outside of the hoh room. Vince is in bed, going so bad, and they can hear because he's getting so loud. And that becomes at least a little bit relevant. So just that, okay, if it looks so bad, Vince, why didn't you just put up Ashley? Vince, why didn't you just put up Ashley? Why didn't I. I should have. Because fuck my game. I lost three jury votes either way. You don't know that, Vince. I guarantee for a fact I did. You don't know that, Vince. Oh my. He gets up out of bed and he storms to the bathroom. But the thing about the bathroom is that it's not a regular door. It's a big spinny, like, fireplace, hidden door. And so he can't slam the door behind him. Instead he needs to take, you know, go to the spinny thing and be like, okay, it's, it's like mostly closed. Mostly closed. And then he talks out the, out. The little peak, peak of it. He's. You. You told me to put up Ashley. You told me. You told me put up Ashley. That's a great move. And you told me strike three because, because that, what would that tell you? That I picked Lauren over you again? That you're done with me? The difference is, Vince, Lauren wants me out of the house. Ashley does not. And he closes the door even more. Okay, let's evict Lauren then.

[Chantel]

Fuck my game. Let's evict her.

[Taren]

I don't care.

[Chantel]

I'll go next. I, I, I, I was aiming for sixth place anyway.

[Taren]

Do you, do you not want to have this conversation? Vince, why is the door closed? I'm, I'm not understanding why the door is closed. He walks back to the door. He opens it again. Sorry, I just, I'm, I'm gonna brush my teeth because I didn't know this was gonna get this lengthy. And I don't like talking with my teeth not brushed. So what was the point of closing the door? I don't know. Was it for dramatic effect? No, it's because I didn't, I don't know.

[Chantel]

Terror. Like, this is our morning. This is like the first, like 10 minutes or maybe like half an hour. Like, it was so excruciating. Just, like, hearing them argue. Not about, about the same thing that they've been arguing over and over again, but it was hilarious. Was this before or after he put on his security beanie?

[Taren]

Because I remember, like, put it on on the way to the bathroom.

[Chantel]

Like, he Was like, I need my beanie.

[Taren]

This continues. He brushes his teeth. She says, can I talk while you brush your teeth?

[Chantel]

Oh, my God, sure.

[Taren]

She also then starts brushing her teeth, but she also talks while brushing her teeth. And, and she brushes her teeth perhaps more aggressively than I've ever seen anybody brush their teeth. I, I, I worry for them. She's, vince, I was trying to tell you. And, and then she's like, well, I need to take a shower as well. And so she starts, like, inching toward the shower just, like, slowly, like, still arguing, talking, arguing, like, but just, like, every, like, 30 seconds, she's like, a step closer to the shower, just a little bit close to the point that she's in the door of the shower, still arguing, then finally steps into the shower, closes the door, still arguing, then undresses, puts the shower, turns the shower on, and they argue during the shower. She's yelling over the noise of the shower. He's yelling back. They're still outside the door, and they continue to argue. And then the shower ends and they go back to the bed and they continue to argue because they're just a married couple now. A married couple. Couple that hates each other. And what did I even do? Why did I even do this move if she's guaranteed safe anyway? Why, why did I even have to do it? She doesn't have to be guaranteed safe anyway, Vince. But hell, why make me ruin a relationship for nothing? What was the point? You, you think I genuinely want to keep her, Vince? No, but what was the point of me putting her on the block and ruining the only relationship I have in the game just to keep her anyway? Just to dangle her. Oh, okay. Ruin your relationship. We'll keep her. So then don't keep her.

[Chantel]

That's even worse.

[Taren]

Vince, you're getting really loud. And he is, because again, Lauren is hearing this outside the room, and she has now started crying to Kelly because she's like, oh, my God, they're voting me out.

[Chantel]

Oh. I mean, obviously nothing set in stone in this house. They're going to go back and forth for days, like, about, like, their decision, but it would be kind of awful to hear, but I still would stay and listen to it. Like, would you have left if you're a Lauren and be like, oh, I shouldn't hear this. Like, I shouldn't be privy, privy to this? Or, like, would you have stayed? I got stay and listen. I, I would have.

[Taren]

Yeah. She, you know, it would have been nice to hear more, I'm sure, but she could. Kelly was like, we don't need to listen to this. Kelly stays up there though, or goes back up there, but they just, they continue on and it's, it's just actually so absurd. Like it genuinely. They are indistinguishable not only from a relationship, but it's, it's like, it's like they're cosplaying a married couple. You know what I mean?

[Chantel]

Yeah, of course. And, but I think what the issue is with their argument is that they don't. There's nothing that will end it. There's no, like, there's no goal to the argument. It's like usually if you're, you're trying to get maybe your point across. So that's what they're doing. They're both trying to get their points across but there's no finale or like, like moment where they're like, okay, I see your point, I'm sorry, let's move past it. Like there's no, there's no ending to it. I think that that's what's so like infuriating about it is that what's the goal here?

[Taren]

Well, it's, it's, it's, it's like. Well, it's what, it's like what I said. It's like it's like two middle schoolers or I guess immature high schoolers having an argument on a. A couple of weeks long relationship, acting like they are married because that's what they've seen on television. And they think that like this is the end of the world for them. That this is the only relationship they'll ever have in their lives. And you know that if, if, if, if they, if this two week long relationship ends now, then their heart will be broken forever. And, and they're play acting the whole thing again that they've either seen their parents do or seen on television. And it's just sad. Only that sad. These people are 34 years old and one of them has a long term relationship that he still is technically. Maybe. Maybe. And it's just weird.

[Chantel]

It is very weird. I think like your, your analogy with like a high school relationship or even like no middle school. You said like it really lands. They, it's like they are just mimicking. Yeah. Cosplaying as a married couple or like this is how you show people that you really love and care about them. It's fascinating. Like a, like a, you know, behavior kind of observation, but as a live feed watcher, it is exhausting. Yeah. I'm sorry, Tara. It's almost done. You Got like a week and a half left. This message is sponsored by Greenlight. With school out, summer is the perfect time to teach our kids real world money skills. They'll use forever. Greenlight is a debit card and the one family finance and safety app used by millions of families, helping kids learn how to save, invest and spend wisely. Parents can send their kids money and track their spending and saving while kids build money, confidence and skills in fun ways. Start your risk free Greenlight trial [e-mail] Spotify.

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[Chantel]

Be like, eventually perfect sounds.

[Taren]

They have a conversation. And, and here's the thing, there's going to be a lot of Lauren conversations because she actually finally started talking to people. And, and I will say I owe Lauren an apology because I've been saying she should just talk to people. She just needs to talk to people. And I, this is my bad. I forgot that she doesn't know how to talk to people and that's why she doesn't talk to people. And so my bad. You were screwed anyway. Lauren. You, even when you do talk to people, you don't know what to say. Although what I will say is maybe if you had started talking to people from the beginning, you would have gotten a little practicing. I don't just, I don't know, maybe.

[Chantel]

Well, she was only talking to the people that were like on her side, you know, I mean, she's talking to Riley, she's talking to Catherine, talking to Vince, and I guess a little bit of Ava, a little bit of Kelly as we move through the game, but that's kind of, she hasn't, she didn't branch out and speak to everybody. At the beginning, she's afraid of Rachel, and I guess anybody connected to Rachel, she must have been terrified of. And so, yeah, she's definitely stunted in her relationships and being able to communicate with people in this cast because she hasn't talked to them for three months. And she's not great at talking, obviously.

[Taren]

Yeah. So Vince is basically just now, remember, Vince really thought he was doing something the night before when he was like, now she might put me on the block, Morgan, because of you. And so now Morgan is like, vince, she's gonna put you on the block. I'm just saying she might need to go.

[Chantel]

No, it's like, obviously, you know, she's trying to protect you, Vinnie, and, like, you're coming. Coming with, like, ammunition. Like, you're complaining to people about the people that you want to keep in the house for whatever reason. It's so wacko.

[Taren]

Yeah. So he's trying to now get it out of Lauren that you. You won't put me. She's. I mean, she might be worried that you're gonna put me on the block. You didn't tell her I said that, right? No, no, of course not. But, you know, I. I just. You can't put me up, you know, like, you couldn't. You can't do that. And he trying to get her to promise that she won't put him up. And again, the real reason why Lauren won't talk to anybody in the house is because she's incapable of lying, more so than even Adrian, apparently. And she won't give him that promise. She will not say she won't put him on the block. She will say, hey, we'll be good after this. We'll be fine. We can work together. As long as Kelly stays, we'll be good. We'll be fine. And he's like, but I need to know that you'll put Kelly up over me. You know, why don't we just deal with it when that happens? And he's like, oh, no.

[Chantel]

But that's.

[Taren]

That's why Kelly needs to go. And she's like, if Kelly leaves, you'll lose me for real, Vince. I know I said that before, but you'll really lose me if Kelly goes. And so, yeah, you know, if Lauren's not willing to lie, then she shouldn't talk to people. There's no point.

[Chantel]

Well, and she shouldn't necessarily play big brother because, like, not that I could down lying, but sometimes in order to get your agenda across or to get the game to floor in the direction that you would like it to. To stay and win three quarters of a million dollars. You might have to tell a little fib to somebody that has put you up on the block if you're trying to save yourself. So, yeah, this might not be the game for her.

[Taren]

So in the meantime, Morgan goes and rants to Ashley about her argument with Vince. And Ashley, of course, continues to fan the flames. Well, why are you. Why are you even having this argument with him? Like, why is he still doing this? We're playing a game for $750,000. Like, we're not playing Best Friend Island. There's 12 days left where he's like, yeah, exactly. As if she's not an active participant in that. Like, yeah. And then Ashley starts getting real. Does he think you're in a relationship? Like, are you in a relationship? Morgan's like, don't say that he has a girlfriend. And then feeds.

[Chantel]

The fees were definitely cut any time. Like, any sort of insinuation between them having a relationship or, like, being, you know, the housewifey. Yeah. I think maybe there might be trouble at home for Vince.

[Taren]

Yeah. So Morgan tells her about Lauren, apparently, now maybe putting Vince up on the block and starting to insinuate that maybe Lauren needs to go this week after all. Now, this is interesting to me because I thought Ashley might prefer Lauren leave, because I do actually think that's better for her than Kelly leaving, mostly for jury situations, though I think at this point she could also beat Lauren, so maybe she's not too concerned one way or the other. So she. She actually pushes back on the Lauren eviction. She thinks that Kelly should still be the priority. She's more concerned about Kelly putting them up than Lauren putting them both up, especially, I think. And I think this is part of it, too, and something that I hadn't considered initially, which is that, like, as soon as Ashley hears that Lauren might put Vince up, she doesn't need to use this as a wedge to get Lauren out, because that's kind of music to her ears.

[Chantel]

And she's like, oh, but she might be up next to them, though. Like, that. That's something that she should be.

[Taren]

She's anticipating, like we are, that it won't be a blockbuster, that it'll be a two nom situation. And if the two noms are for sure, Vince and Morgan, then, you know, she's probably. Even if one of them comes off, she's probably fine, so. Or at least that's what she would hope. If Kelly leaves, she's relying on Keanu in that spot. And that's going to be important later. So. So she actually pushes back a little bit on Lauren leaving. She makes some arguments for why Kelly should leave over Lauren and. And, you know, is certainly open to it, though, especially against Keanu. So, you know, she then continues to just encourage Morgan to push Vince on the issue and is sort of leaving her options open at.

[Chantel]

Seems one thing I wish that, like, Morgan would fight with Vince about and be like, can you stop complaining to me about Lauren and stop. And vice versa. Because I think that this is why they're actually never able to come to any sort of common ground like Lauren. I think Lauren and Morgan actually could potentially work together if Vince wasn't part of the equation. There's a few times yesterday where they had, like, conversations, not really game. There's a lot more of, like, Morgan talking at. At Lauren. But, like, I. I see that there's, like, almost potential, but it's just, like, there's this, like, void that's, like, stopping them from, like, just talking at all. And so just the fact that, like, I can totally understand why Ashley would want to keep Lauren in the game, but, like, it should be something that maybe Morgan might want to, like. I don't know. She could be manipulating the situation so that regardless of who stays, it could be best for best for Lauren and Morgan. But Morgan doesn't seem to see any of that side of things.

[Taren]

Things Morgan has in the past tried to work with Lauren. There was a whole, like, plot arc. Had, like, roughly halfway through the season, maybe a little bit earlier, even while Zach was still there, where she was like, you know what? I'm gonna really try and work hard on getting Lauren on my side and try to pull Lauren in. And what happened was Morgan talked at her a lot, and Lauren basically never said anything back. And Morgan thought that they were cool for a little while and then eventually discovered that that was not the case. And so, of course, a huge problem in that had always been Vince, who always tries his best to make sure that people only like him and is happy to throw everyone and anyone under the bus in the process, which helped damage their relationship so that Morgan's attempts weren't working. Not that Morgan's the greatest social player either, but there was this significant attempt there. And it's part of why I think Morgan feels so particularly burned about Lauren, because she felt, I think, at one point in the game, like, she. And I'm not saying this is, like, true the perception, but I think her perception is that she sort of, like, was the bigger person at one point and really made a genuine effort and then just kept hearing from Vince and Vince kept hearing, and Lauren kept hearing from Vince about how they didn't like each other and whatever and complaining. And then eventually, of course, the nomination from Lauren and the vote out from Lauren and. And Vinnie picking her. And so, you know, all of this sort of bubbles into it, and it just feels, I think, like these two people just. Unless they both fully dumped Vince, they can't work together because Vince will immediately. Vince is willing to throw them under the bus to each other way more than they are ever willing to throw anybody under the bus to anybody.

[Chantel]

I know. It's wild, though. Like, this is something that you're talking about. You care about so much, and it's my number one and my number, too. And, like, just speaking so poorly about somebody that you're supposed to care so much about. Is this why he's talking about, like, wait till October? Because it's like, you're gonna see, like, how much I've been talking to you all season. Like. Like, they're going to see how he hasn't really been that great of a friend to. To either of them.

[Taren]

So. And. And then also remember that, like, Morgan tried to use the whole Zach veto thing to rebond with Lauren. Like, it was their last attempt when Lauren ended up using the veto on. On Vince, and then Lauren voted her out that same week. So. So Lauren talks to Ashley. Lauren is actually going to have some conversations. I think her conversation with Ashley is probably her best one, but still not amazing. Basically says she would love to work with Ashley and Ava, which Ashley likes to hear. This is what Ava's been pitching for a while. Ashley says she's for sure keeping Lauren over Kelly, but against Keanu. She's 50. 50, which is Ashley's way of telling someone they don't have her vote. But of course, Lauren doesn't know that because Lauren's never spoken to Ashley. So Lauren's like, Ooh, 50. 50. And Lauren tries pitching to Ashley that she shouldn't want to evict the Kelly, that she should want to evict Keanu, that he should leave in both situations because he's very good at competitions and they might not ever get another shot. And also, you know, I just. I want someone to win the game that has been, like, as graceful and truthful as possible. That's how I feel.

[Chantel]

And you're debating between Kelly and Keanu, like, for good, Grace, respect, like, the answer.

[Taren]

Well, that's why she says she doesn't want Keanu in the game to potentially win.

[Chantel]

Right?

[Taren]

Of course. But yes, she's implying that, I guess Kelly is more graceful and honest than counting, which, honestly, I wouldn't say graceful, but she is actually. Now they're both, they both have their moments of dishonesty.

[Chantel]

Well, maybe it's because Kelly is quieter. Like she doesn't speak as much as Keanu does, and so maybe there's less opportunities for her to be deceitful.

[Taren]

But of course, when Rachel talked about Keanu, how dare she. For Lauren, you know, and it's, it's, it's just the thing where like the, the person you want to win the game vaguely just is always the person that you think you are. So like, this is such a, a giveaway for how Lauren sees herself as the most graceful and honest player in the game.

[Chantel]

She might be ip.

[Taren]

But like, genuinely, I am insulted by Lauren and her inability to lie in this game. She should not be on this cast. And, and here's the thing. I, I, I don't want to say I like Lauren as a person. I think she's fine. I, I'm a little concerned about her alliance preferences but, but like, you know, she is otherwise a fine seemingly human being, but in the game, she just shouldn't be there. She is incapable of actually functioning in like 90% of the, the game functions and, and her like, now that she is in a position where she like, is forced to be doing something, she still is now actively choosing not to. This is not like, oh, she's just socially awkward. She doesn't have the skills. She's actively choosing not to lie because she's, she thinks that that is like the correct thing to do. Not strategically, just for herself. She doesn't want to. Then why are you there? I've talked about lying plenty of times in the past. But like, the choice to not lie in the game of Big Brother is not a moral one. Lying in the game of Big Brother is not a, a moral failing. Saying that you think that not lying is a moral positive implies that you think it's moral failing to, to do so or a lesser moral choice to lie. But that's just not the case. The, the point of the game is that you are playing in this power structure type of situation and to say that somebody is not allowed to lie or they lesser moral character is to tell people who are not in power that they are not allowed to use the, the mechanisms necessary for themselves to overcome that power. You are telling them no, you need to just take it. You need to just accept your place. If you want to advance yourself in the game, you need to beat us numerically, physically, whatever. And if you don't have that, if all that you have is the ability to maybe trick them into doing something that doesn't benefit them because you can't physically beat them and you're an outcast, then you're of lesser moral character. And I think that's absolute. And anybody that goes into the house feeling that way, it's insulting.

[Chantel]

It's not the right game for them. And I'm just thinking of, like, Like, I know the reason why it becomes, like, a moral ethical dilemma is because you're playing with real people and you have your word. And people might see and, like, think that you're not, like, a trustworthy person, whatever. Like, all the things that will come with being perceived as a liar. But I was thinking of, like, there's like, some, like, card games that you play. Like, cheat and you, like, you know, if you know the game, you pretend like you have two aces, even if you have, like, none or whatever. Like, can she play those games? Or is it only the social game where it's, like, herself being maybe known as a cheater that she can't play? Because there are elements in many games where you have to lie in deceit. That's not like your physical body. Like, that's like a board game of some sort or a card game.

[Taren]

Yeah. Who knows?

[Chantel]

Wait, before you move on, though, has she said the season, who her favorite players might be? Because I'm just curious if she had, like, any of her reference points from the seasons that she's watched, are any of them are virtuous and, like, never lied in the game. Like, I'm just wondering if she takes any examples from people that.

[Taren]

Yeah, it's a good question. I'm sure she's talked about it, but I, I, It's. I'm not remembering off the top of my head. So maybe the chat can help us. Someone said she said Nicole. That's not okay. So, yeah, more people saying Nicole. I mean, she's just a casual. So it's like, it doesn't really actually mean anything. So who knows? Anyway, she talks. She's talking to Ashley. She basically is giving Ashley some stuff. She tells Ashley she's not gonna forget what Vince did, but she's not promising Ashley anything. She's not promising Ashley she'll keep her off the block. She's not offering any deals. She's not, not doing Any of that, because she's not gonna stick to them. And if she's not gonna stick to them, then she doesn't want to offer them. And so it's. This is. And this is the best conversation she's had that she has during the day, in my opinion.

[Chantel]

I wonder what she thinks of Vince, though, with her no lie, kind of.

[Taren]

Well, that's. And that's. That's the irony of it all. Like, the absolute hypocrisy of her being the way that she is and having played the game in a way that benefits Vince, who is easily the biggest liar, and she knows it. I think that's why she likes working with Vince, because he lies for her. And. And then she doesn't have to. She gets to keep her hands clean, but. Which, you know, only makes it more hypocritical, but what are you gonna do? So. So Keanu talks to Vince, by the way, because here's the thing. Keanu has been largely irrelevant this week, which is typically what happens when he's not in power or when nobody's actually genuinely trying to work with him. Rachel made him relevant because she was actually giving him actual information because she actually wanted to work with him. She's the only person in the entire history of the season that has actually wanted to work with him and actually given good information. So now that she's gone, he is just running around again, like the little brother who has the controller that doesn't actually. That isn't actually plugged in. And so he's running around doing that. He still thinks that Lauren has always been the target. And he's talking to Vince about how we're just gonna snip, take Morgan right out of the game next week. Morgan's the next target for. For us, for sure. Bro. Final two for us. You know, he's been talking about how, you know, Vince definitely gets second place to Morgan, although Keanu beats Morgan, of course. But Vince couldn't possibly beat Morgan, so of course he needs to take her out of the game. There's plenty of talk of that. Kelly knows about it. Kelly also talked about how they've been saying, man, it's very nice of Morgan to let Vince sleep in her hoh room this week. He's talking about that. He's saying, of course, his whole thing like, oh, we're gonna go. We're gonna go to final Two, Vince. We're gonna make this happen doing his bro thing. And this is somewhat relevant because I just want to update you on the state of where Keanu is. And when we get to where he goes, Morgan talks to Lauren. And this is an extremely long conversation and there's almost zero value in it. There's almost nothing in this. It is, I would say, at least 90% Morgan talking. Lauren trying to get some words in explaining parts of her game. You know, even talking about the veto plan briefly with the. When Morgan had the veto and almost used it on Vinnie instead of herself, but still is just like not promising anything. And she's. And Morgan's basically saying, like, Vinnie's my guy and you're his number two. And so if you're coming after Vinnie, that's bad. I can't have that. And. And anybody that comes after Vinnie is bad. And that's why Kelly needs to go, and so on and so forth. And Lauren is a little more closed lipped about how she's theoretically feeling about Vinnie here. She doesn't say she's not going to forget anything, but she just doesn't say anything at all. Really. You know, we're fine. And again, just like not saying, hey, I won't put up Vinnie for sure. I won't even put you up for sure. If you keep me, you know, I'm gonna be going after Keanu and, you know, whatever. Like, like Keanu's my target. I won't put up like whatever she needs to say. Any kind of offer, any kind of deal she needs to make, she's not making it because she can't lie. And she even talks to Morgan about how she, you know, I just want somebody to win that's honest. And so it's. Again, it's a very long conversation, but that's basically the gist of it.

[Chantel]

If someone was saying to me in this game, but there's been a lot of lies and a lot of deceit that, like, I just want someone when that's honest. That would be. And they're on the block. I'd be like, okay, like, let's take you out of this equation here. Like, that's. I mean, obviously they would hope that Rachel would maybe sway them in the jury to like vote for like the right winner, but, like, I just wouldn't want them in the game anymore. Maybe you'd want to sit beside them, I don't know. But I want them out. I'd be so irritated.

[Taren]

Yeah. So Ashley, after her conversation with Lauren, talks to Ava. Remember, they've got this kind of under the table thing going on. Ashley asks Ava, is, is Lauren really gonna put Vinnie up? Like she kind of was implying that she would. And I've been hearing that she would. Neva's like, frankly, I can't say for sure, but I was just like, why does she just tell me that then? Like, why is it like, she's being so vague? She's not promising anything. Like, Ava's like, in my. This is my opinion. I think she just plays a scared game, frankly. But I really think it benefits us if she stays because I think we can work together, so on and so forth. Ava's like, very much in the mindset of she thinks in hopes that they can. You know, she would love to take out Keanu, but she knows that Ashley's not currently planning to take out Keanu. But she, she's very much done with. With Kelly. Like, Ava's not on board the Kelly train because after. Well, not just because, for many reasons, but in the morning when, when Lauren cried, Kelly ran downstairs and was telling Ava, lauren doesn't have the votes. Lauren doesn't have the votes to stay. And she meant it. At that time. They both felt. Felt it. But then Ava, later in the night is like, Kelly's going around saying, you don't have the votes, Lauren, she's out of her mind. Like, what is she doing? And Lauren is just like, yeah, I don't know.

[Chantel]

Well, then. And then starts to think that, like, oh, is Kelly, like, voting me out? Is that what she's doing? Is that why she. She knows this so emphatically, like, yeah. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Checking off the boxes on your to do list is a great feeling. And when it comes to checking off coverage, a State Farm agent can help you choose an option that's right for you. Whether you prefer talking in person on the phone or using the award winning app, it's nice knowing you have help finding coverage that best fits your needs. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. The new Popeyes and Hot Ones menu is fire flavor. Trust me, because I'm about to eat it. That hits right away. Attempt the Popeyes Hot Ones menu in stores. Love that chicken from Popeyes. Limited time in participating U.S. restaurants.

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[Chantel]

I think so. But with like the whole like Keanu has been basically Vince, it's me and you to the end. Like what he's wants from both Lauren and Morgan is what Keanu is like willing to give him. He wants it to be the two of them at the end he and he'll win these compet competitions. I think at this point he will keep Vince safe. Like I'm not 100 sure obviously with Keanu is going to do but like I do think that he would more likely Keep Vince safe over Lauren at this point. And so it's just interesting that he's just discarding Keanu completely.

[Taren]

Right? And so he just heard from Keanu again that, like. Like, you know, basically Keanu playing the game with the controller unplugged, but all of a sudden, if Lauren leaves, Keanu thinks that he was playing the whole. The game the whole time and that what he was doing was working. And maybe Keanu does take him to the final two, and maybe Lauren doesn't anymore. If what he's hearing is true, she won't even promise him. She won't put him on the block. And what if what he's hearing from Ashley is true? Then maybe, you know, maybe he does need to get rid of Lauren. And so Morgan ends up inter. Coming in or. Sorry, Keanu interrupts them first. Sorry. No, Morgan comes in first. And they continue to talk about Lauren and how she's not promising anything to anybody. And it really seems like she might just be mad at Vince. And so maybe we do need to vote Lauren out. And Vince is seeming like he might be okay with that. Like, you know, now this is. In the event that Lauren is up against, specifically Keanu, Kelly is still the de facto target if it's Lauren versus Kelly, because Kelly is all of the same things about Lauren, only worse. So here it is, you know, like, things are starting to crack. And now all of a sudden, the door is slightly ajar for evicting Lauren if Kelly wins the blockbuster.

[Chantel]

So what are you hoping for? Do you have a desired outcome this week for the first round? Anyways.

[Taren]

I think Lauren leaving is the most fitting outcome of the week. I think Keanu leaving would be fitting. We'll talk about that in a moment. I think Kelly. I think anybody leaving is fine. I'm perfectly happy to have any.

[Chantel]

Get out. And who would you want to follow them? Anybody?

[Taren]

I. Listen, I can't. I can't handle the 5am One of Morgan or Vince has to go. My own mental health.

[Chantel]

I. I think they're gonna be here for the long haul, though. I don't know. Actually, maybe Vince will go in the double. Or Morgan, actually.

[Taren]

So Keanu interrupts them, and Morgan leaves the room. They're in the wine room, and they're just hanging out, out Keanu, Vince, and Ashley. And they just start kind of talking. You know, Keanu's kind of like. He has continued to arrogantly assert that he beats anybody in the final two, and they start talking about Mickey and how she lied to everyone. And it's you know, they're glad she's not in the jury because she would have been a bitter juror. And, man, that time they almost got her out, and then she stayed because of the wine veto. Man, you guys did such a bad strategy for that. I can't believe you gave her the buy week or the buy round. And K is like, no, I didn't have a bad strategy. That was Kelly's fault. She's like, keanu, you. You didn't pick her. You don't understand. Kelly didn't pick her first. And then when I went afterward, I was like, well, because you didn't pick her, I'm not going to do your dirty work for you. So that was Kelly's fault, not mine. That wasn't bad strategy for me. It's like, okay, yeah, that's. It was Kelly's fault. I'm not doing Kelly's dirty work. And so. And eventually Ash is like, okay, yeah, you're right. You know, sure. And you know, it's just. It's just obnoxious. As per. And for the record, this is like your average conversation with Keanu. We don't talk about it all the time, but this is your average conversation with Keanu. The reason I'm bringing this one up. Up is because seemingly, at least for now, this one is the straw that broke the camel's back. Because as soon as Keanu leaves the room, Ashley says, I'm evicting him now. Vince died.

[Chantel]

We're a social game. Like, sucks voting you out.

[Taren]

She goes and talks to the cameras. He's like, you don't understand. You don't understand. No, you don't understand Keanu. That's why you're on the block week after week after week. If he's on the block, I am personally evict. Evict, Evict. I just can't stand him. I'm sorry. I've tried. I've tried to work with him, but he is the dumbest big brother player. Bye bye, Keanu. If he loses, see ya. She's done.

[Chantel]

She might be able to be wrote back in.

[Taren]

Right.

[Chantel]

It's a little bit of logic, but, like, he's so.

[Taren]

I've seen a lot of people saying, okay, this is a temporary emotional response. She'll change her mind. What I will tell you is this is not a momentary blip, at least last night. It's certainly possible she wakes up this morning and has a different opinion. But she's not just saying this to the cameras. She goes to Ava and she says, ava, I'm down. Let's take out Keanu over Kelly. Like, I'm down. Let's take out Keanu over Lauren. And Ava's like, yeah, I think that's the smart thing to do. That's what I've been saying. I'm telling you, if we keep Lauren safe, she'll keep us safe. Ashes. My only thing is, if Kelly stays, I'm worried Lauren's gonna protect Kelly over me. And Ava's like, well, we need to talk to Lauren Moore. That's what we need to be doing. And so they're having that conversation. Ashley also goes to Morgan and says to Morgan, I'm sorry, Morgan, Keanu's gotta go. And Morgan's like, over, over. Even like Lauren and Kelly and Ash is like, Lauren is more willing to put up Kelly than Keanu is at this point, which is not true. But I think she's. This is what Ashley does, is she'll just, like, make up when she wants to make a point. But a lot of times people believe her any. Because earlier. Okay. Because this is wild, too. Earlier, she said that Kelly. Because she wanted Kelly gone over Lauren. She said Kelly is more dangerous in hohs and Lauren is more dangerous in veto's, and that's why she's more scared of Kelly because. And wants Kelly gone because Kelly winning HOHs is more dangerous, which is such a wild, wildly inaccurate statement to make considering that Lauren has won two HOHs and Kelly has won zero. But Morgan just took it at face value and started arguing back. I'm actually more scared of veto wins, though, so I'm gonna. I'm. I am more scared of Kelly because she was trying to argue the opposite point. So this is the kind of conversations that they have in this house. And she says, Keanu is unpredictable. I'd rather have the devil I know than the devil I don't know. Then I don't know what the hell he's going to do. And. And so she really wants to. Who. She's. She's campaigning against Keanu. To Morgan, who is reluctant but making a little bit of progress. She's. You know, it's a. It's a hard conversation to follow. And it's a little bit like Morgan's, like, doing the dishes. So it's like, not like a serious strategy talk. But it does seem like Ashley is making a little bit of progress here and that Morgan may be willing to consider dropping Keanu. And it's just like, all of a sudden, of course, Keanu has managed to put himself in this he has never been on the block and not been the target. And we've been like, wow, look at this week first time.

[Chantel]

And he still feels as though he's not the target. And that's probably why he's so, you.

[Taren]

Know, he's never felt he was the target.

[Chantel]

Right. I mean, he's just there as a placeholder. Yeah. At this point, I want Keanu to win the blockbuster just to, like, save himself and it be between Kelly and Lauren. Even though I, I do also want him to be punished for his bad gameplay. But I, I, I feel like I want him to stay in the house.

[Taren]

Yeah. Well, Ava talks to Lauren. She says, hey, Ashley is leaning toward keeping you. They have the conversation I mentioned before about what Kelly is doing. And, and the night continues. And remember, you know, Morgan is sort of like, Morgan is in this position of maybe we vote out Lauren over Keanu. That was, they were starting to make some progress. Lauren versus Kelly was always Kelly, but Lauren versus Keanu. Now that Ashley's starting to pitch Keanu, she's like, maybe we do evict Keanu. Maybe that does make some sense. Like, maybe I'm willing to do that. But then, then something else happens. Keanu pissed Ashley off, and that brought the, you know, needle back over to Keanu. But Morgan is going to spend some time in the HOH room, and she's, she's in a good mood. You know, she's like, maybe I'll evict Keanu. Maybe I'll evict Lauren. I'm not sure yet. Basically, like, I'm, I'm open is sort of how I'm imagining her headspace, given what she was talking to Ashley about. She's open to Keanu over Lauren again. And she starts studying and she's like, you know, jokingly, hey, hey, America. Here's what happened this season. She's studying, she's going through the weeks, and she's looking at the, the HOH camera, which is positioned on the the kitchen. And Vince is just kind of chatting with, with Lauren, and she's studying and she's looking and she's studying and she's looking. And Vince talking to Lauren. They're starting to get a little jokey. They're starting to get a little playful. And she starts to lose focus in her studying, and she ends up kind of like sitting down on the bed and continuing to stare at the screen. And Vince is, like, starting to, to be a little goofy with Lauren. Like, you want to try to do.

[Chantel]

Like, like the heel clicks, like the.

[Taren]

Jumping Joe, come on, let's do it. And so now they're starting to practice like, you know, the jump and the click your heels twice before you land back down. And Lauren can't do it. And they both think this is the funniest thing they've ever experienced in their entire lives. And they're really starting to like, really enjoy themselves. And Morgan stops studying and just staring at the screen and, and Vinnie's like, come on, come on, try again.

[Chantel]

Do it. Look, it's like this.

[Taren]

And Lauren's like, I can't do it.

[Chantel]

It'.

[Taren]

And, and Morgan is just sitting in the bed staring, staring at the screen and she eventually just goes, what the fuck am I watching? Well, okay, I'm happy for Vinnie that he's growing his relationship with Lauren, but I need to find, I need to find out what's best for my game this week.

[Chantel]

All these heel clicks, these heel clips is going to be the end of Florida. And she's not staying. There's no way that Morgan's gonna let her stay.

[Taren]

This was bad news.

[Chantel]

So like so angry. What am I watching?

[Taren]

So when Vince goes back upstairs, the mood is already sour. She's. She's already not there. She's fully now on like not only evict la Lauren against Keanu, she is now like, I want to evict Lauren against Kelly. Like I want Lauren gone. And she starts in on him and of course it's night time so it's time for them to do this. And he comes in, he's like in a good mood like she had been before. He just, you know, hung out with Lauren. They. They clicked their heels literally. And, and she, and she starts getting it, getting into it. You know she voted me out, right? Vince, you know how hard it is to watch you with her. Like, do you, do you know how hard it is for that, that you want me to keep her around? And Vince kind of like slowly descends into like bad move or bad mood Vince. And it's like. But yeah, I mean, Lauren, Lauren. Yeah. Lauren won't even tell me if she's going to protect me over Kelly now. And, and she did. She told Ashley that she won't forgive, forget what I did to her. So I, I don't know. But I mean, I don't think that means she should go. Am I supposed to keep someone, Vince, that wants me as a target? Yeah. I just hope Kelly loses and we keep her. You know, I just. We Kelly loses, we get rid of Kelly, we keep Lauren. That just makes it so simple. And then Morgan goes, I don't know. Vince. Keanu made some good points about keeping Kelly. What? I mean. What do you mean? I don't think we should keep Kelly. I don't know. Like, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you, Morgan. You know I'm right. I'm just worried you're gonna take away my week. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm just vocalizing my thoughts. Just vocalizing my thoughts. And so they go back and forth. He is now, again, I want to be clear about this.

[Chantel]

This.

[Taren]

He seems very open to the idea of evicting Lauren next to Keanu. That is what he has budged on throughout the day. Now Morgan is trying to push him even further and potentially try to get him to be willing to evict Lauren over Kelly as well. Now, while that's. And he is still reluctant, but. Right. It's Vince. Now, while this is happening, the real counterplay to all of this, because if this. If the Keanu thing hadn't happened, I think we're just straight up looking at a Lauren eviction if she doesn't win Blockbuster. But at the same time, Ashley is pushing sort of in the opposite direction. Ashley is now pushing for Keanu to leave, and it's possible that that gets in the way of Morgan getting Lauren out. So Ashley did make progress on Lauren, but then on Morgan. But then Morgan fully went in the opposite direction after heel clicking. Ashley may back down on the. The Keanu thing if she. It, like, wakes up in the morning is like, yeah, you know what? Maybe I overreacted. Or maybe she continues to push. And if she continues to push, can she make progress on Morgan now that she's even more dead set on taking Lauren out? Especially because Ashley's trying to push in the direction of the more solved one, which. Which is. Which is Lauren versus Keanu. And so all kinds of. I mean, all of this is good for Kelly because both of these pushes are trying to keep Kelly around, but. But it's. It'll be interesting to see where this all lands. And Lauren is definitely losing ground rapidly in. In multiple situations and. And kind of desperately needs Ashley to either make some progress on. On Morgan or for, I don't know, I guess herself to make more progress. I don't know. She's in a rough spot here.

[Chantel]

She's in a rough spot. I don't even think she realized how rough the spot that she's in.

[Taren]

She.

[Chantel]

I don't think she's going to do anything. She's just going to allow the chips to fall as they may and we're going to see everybody shuffling around her, coming up with different plans. It probably may be. Maybe. Well, we'll see who's going to win, I guess between Ashley and Morgan. That will be today's observation. But I don't think that Lauren is going to be pushing the needle in any sort of direction.

[Taren]

Yeah. So will Keanu continue to bury himself? Will Ashley make progress on trying to evict Keanu? Will Morgan make more progress trying to evict Lauren? Or will this all fall on Kelly after all? That is the question that we leave ourselves with today. Of course there will be an episode tonight, a two hour episode I'll be streaming on Twitch, YouTube and Patreon. If you want to watch with me on Patreon. It is a very good way to do so. I, I must, I must also tell you, Vince did try to get Morgan to sleep face to face, head to head, so to speak. She did turn him down, but he did make the attempt. So that did happen. Anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday though, Chantal?

[Chantel]

Just a little key audio conversation with Ava. Like, I just, was just annoyed by it. I just wanted to bring it out, just to air it out where he's just talking about how like she's like, oh, you and, and Rachel were always fighting and he's like, we're never fighting. Like we were just such friends. Like we were. And he was basically saying that he's been right this whole time and Rachel has been wrong with everything that she's ever said to him when we know for a that he's even been shown that Rachel has been correct this whole time. So it's just wild to me that he still can play out these delusions when he's actually had evidence to prove that Rachel was right.

[Taren]

I mean, should we be surprised?

[Chantel]

Not surprised, but I was just watching like Keanu.

[Taren]

All right, well that is what we have for you then. Of course I was using it as a prop earlier, but I do have a book behind the Mirror. It's now available for pre order for the audiobook as well. I tweeted out I had a, a very nice review in Publishers Weekly, which is like a trade magazine. They don't even like know what Big Brother is like. They liked it, which is very cool. So good, good things being said about this book. If you want to make sure you check it out, there's new links as well. Well to new stores that you can order from. So check all of that out. The. Especially for. I haven't checked this myself. I will. For, like, international orders. We may. There may be some more options there, but I'll. I'll give more details for that once I lock that in. But check all of that out. Check out the update tomorrow morning, the streams tonight, the podcast tonight. Plenty of stuff coming your way. Uh, Chantel, what do you got coming going on?

[Chantel]

Well, I just want to say one thing about your book. Wouldn't it be great, like, know how they give, like, a certain season for them to watch while they're in sequester? Wouldn't it be great if, like, your book was part of it and, like, it might allow these players to be strategic and, like, understand the game of Big Brother regardless of how much Big Brother they've actually watched. Wouldn't that be cool?

[Taren]

Two things. One, they would never. You'd have people. You'd have people in the house being like, yeah, so there's like, quite the history of, like, racism and production not handling things well.

[Chantel]

Right, right. Sorry. We would be outing a lot of things about production that they probably.

[Taren]

Number two, again, I. I mentioned this before. It's not, you know, it's not a book about teaching you how to play the game.

[Chantel]

Right. It's a history of the actual show.

[Taren]

It only would be helpful to these people because they have no whatsoever that they shouldn't do basic things like not use the veto on themselves. And. And even then, like, you probably read the Dan chapter and you're like, I'm like, dan, I can break the rules.

[Chantel]

Like, fair. Like, kind of like how Kelly thinks that she could be Tucker.

[Taren]

Yeah.

[Chantel]

Oh, they did have a lot of conversations about, like, Morgan being like, oh, my God, Three super fans are here. The final seven. I'm like, you guys aren't really super fans. But anyways, that.

[Taren]

So, yeah, Vince, of course, continues to complain about Ashley. She doesn't. She doesn't deserve to be here. She's not a fan. And, you know, so on and so forth and it's just like, who are you to talk? You haven't even watched, like, anything before Big Brother 16 and your favorite player is like, like Paul and Cody. Like, you know, like.

[Chantel]

Yeah.

[Taren]

When to talk. Anyway, that's what we have for you. Thank you all so much for joining us here today and we will see all of you next time.