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BB27 Why ___ Lost Week 9 Part 2 Will was probably the most likeable person in Big Brother 27. Indeed, he said that was the reason they voted him out. But was it really that simple? Or were there other complicating factors that led to Will heading off t...
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You played yourself and got voted out. This is why blank lost. And this is why blank lies. Oh, baby. This is why blank last.
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Welcome back to why Blank Loss. I'm David Bloomberg and it feels like I was just here yesterday. But we have to move on for now from the horrible Big Brother production decision and back into an actual eviction vote, the one that was still impacted by repercussions from what happened then. Joining me is my co host, OVI Kabir.
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C
Hey, David. Happy to be here. Sad to be here after who has been evicted These last who has been chosen to be taken out of the house by production. Tough weeks we've had as Big Brother fans and it's a tough week to be back here but I'm happy to be able to talk with it with anybody. Nobody else in the world I would want to than you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Now, you unfortunately couldn't join us on the why Rachel Lost podcast because of scheduling. As I said on that podcast, CBS didn't tell us what was happening so you couldn't alter your. Your plans to. But for. For anyone who hasn't had a chance to listen yet, we of course talked about more than just why Rachel lost. You know, it was. It was her whole game that we covered but wanted to check with you. Did you have anything you wanted to add about at all?
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C
I mean, there's so much I feel like everyone has already said about this issue. But what I will just say you Know, it is such a shame to see I. You and I have been going back and forth about the season where I said, I really loving this season so much because it is. When you have a lot of players who are dumb at the game, it's fun to watch the fireworks happen. And you have somebody like Rachel who's really running their way through the house, like, I'm enjoying it, you know, and you're like, well, I want more strategy. Understandable. And so Big Brother did the one thing that, you know, they would love is take out all the strategy out of the game. And they truly changed up this whole season, which I'm very sad because it's getting to this end game, which is usually can be a really fun, strategic portion. It does feel like more of a survival game at this point. Yeah, it's one of those things you just hate to see it. Hate to see a legend go out and you want them to, you know, have their own swan song. You want them to be voted out. And so I was very sad to see that. So still having hopes that we have some fun fireworks and maybe some strategy at the end game. But at this point, I'm quite sad. Like many other viewers have been, too.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, today is not about fun fireworks. It's literally in. In one week, we have said goodbye to the 2 most popular house guests. You know, and so in honor of Will, I. I was trying to match his two. His two jobs. I've got my podcaster shirt on and I had a camo hat on. Except the camo was so good that it disappeared into the green screen type of situation we've got going here. So, you know, I didn't want to do a podcast with half a head, but the camo works. We know the camo works, so. But. But yeah, as I mentioned, Rachel being eliminated that way is part of what leads to us discussing Will. Just the it, you know, these things, it's like dominoes falling. But that was on a game level what happened to Will, and he went out through all the usual processes. Therefore, so will we, as we follow our usual path of comparing how he played to a set of guiding rules. I originally wrote back in 2004 and have modified ever since. We'll analyze his actions from what we saw on tv, live feeds, interviews and other information. And of course, the most recent published version of the rules, if you'd like to look at them, is at. Rob has a website.com Big Brother Rules. Now, we usually have some other things to discuss about the week in General and the Rachel situation was so overwhelming that it overshadowed so much, including even the live feeds. But there are a couple things I want to mention. First is Lauren's hoh. She wanted to have an impactful week and evict either Keanu or Morgan. But once again, she was so scared of actually playing that she threw the veto, which allowed Morgan to win it, meaning Keanu was playing a very physical blockbuster against two not very physical people. And we ended up with Will going, of course, once again, a failed HOH by her because she's just so scared of everything.
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C
Yeah. It's one of those things where you want. You see this player like Lauren in the beginning, I really loved what she was doing. We've talked about it, you know, week in and week out, that she's making sometimes the right moves, even though I want to take a little bit more action. But she's playing the background, working her way through the game, and she's surviving. And I had a feeling that maybe she'll take the. You know, she's going to be the snake in the game where she takes the strike when she needs to. And this was one of the weeks to really build up. You know, I always hate when people say, like, build up the resume. Make sure you have talk about when you're at the end game. But this really was her chance to do that in a time where I feel like the game was truly, like, whoever she takes a shot at, no one would be super mad at her because they know it's the end of the game. We had a huge breakup with Rachel going out. It really was a week for her to do something a little bigger than what she did.
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B
Yeah. And, you know, she talks a big game. I, I. On the live feeds, she would, you know, talk to Vince about, oh, they say I'm indecisive. Oh, well, I'll just tell them next time I win hoh. You want to see into. You want to see decisive. You're on the block there. And I said, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. I made a video about that. And of course, we did not see that, because instead what we saw was, oh, oh, I don't. I don't want to, actually. Wow, that sounds like Vince. That's too whiny. With Lauren, I can't. I have. I don't have, like, Tara and I don't have all of the voices down back here.
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C
Still working on it.
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Yeah. But with Lauren, it's just like, oh, I'm. I. It would. It would be scary. To have to do the veto and nominate someone. And so therefore I'll. I'll throw the veto. And it's just. It was just such bad play. You know, you're getting Will out. You wanted Keanu or Morgan, and you got Will.
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C
Yeah. I mean, somebody who's really not against you per se. I mean, some. You're not on the radar that they need to get them out. Will isn't that person for you. And it's one of those things where that I just want her to take that action and go for it and not play. Because I feel like Rachel was saying this beforehand, like, don't, you know, don't play Vince's game and don't fall under his spell of things like that. And she has rebuked that. But we're seeing, unfortunately, the move she's making benefits his game most of the time rather than hers.
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And sometimes it doesn't benefit either of them. Yeah.
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C
Sometimes she'll take a curveball.
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Yeah.
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And throw it.
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Yeah. But moving on to one of her targets, we saw that Keanu has returned to his delusional ways again. He has been a frequent person showing up in. In this portion of the podcast because of his grand delusions. Your winner pick. Yes, my winner pick illusionary. He. He could not understand why Vince wouldn't volunteer to go up as the replacement nomination when Keanu was certain Vince would be perfectly safe and then that would keep himself safe as well. He wanted Vince to be a team player. Are you new? Vince plays for one person and one person only, himself, as he should. This is not a team game, especially at this point. And volunteering for the block is and always has been and always will be stupid. Vince is not going to do that. And yet Keanu doesn't understand any of this.
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Keanu is trying to enforce his will, you know, and he is making his reality everyone else's reality because he cannot lose. So why not throw a little delusion? What's going to happen? They're going to put him on the block. He's going to win himself out. That's his. Is this his mindset? I mean, you. I. I blame you, David, to be completely honest, it is. You instilled this year, you had this power to not choose a winner pick for yourself, but choose a winner for this game. And I feel like you instilled that into Keanu. Like whatever you said beforehand, whatever sacrifice you did to get your. You really wanted a winner pick this year, and somehow you have manifested it in Keanu. Oh, no. So it's David to blame. If you guys are upset, just put that in there. Let, Let. How to be known.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, the thing is you, you talk about his delusions as, you know, what's the difference? He's, you know, he can't get any worse. And that part is true, but he just causes himself so much grief by not understanding the world that he lives in. Like, he kept going further when he actually asked Lauren, how come you're willing to sacrifice me but not vili Vinnie? And I was just like, my God, you're dense. Everyone else in this house realizes how close those two are. She used the veto on him against Rachel's wishes. But somehow Keanu believed he earned her trust more than Vince has because he lives in Keanu world.
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C
It, you know, when a player doesn't have repercussions in the game, and he does have repercussions in the game, but he bounces back so often, they become cemented in their own beliefs. And I think he, he believes the juice that he's trying to pour for everybody. I, I, I can truly believe that. And I mean, I think that's why you mentioned a delusion, right, of him, that he says certain things are just completely out of line of how the game is going. But week in and week out, we see somehow that regardless of if it's delusion or not, he's going forward in it. And that's basically the structure of the game at this point when the competition forward. And I just don't think we're going to see it stop because, you know, you're not going to get smacked by your own delusions with this type of structure.
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Right. And that, I mean, that's exactly it. You know, this, that's one reason the structure is so absolutely horrible, is it allows people like Keanu and Kelly, the delusional people, to just keep going no matter what. But, yeah, nothing we can do about it except keep bringing it up. Every time he has more to bring it up.
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We're probably, there's a chance we might be bringing it up in. Why Blank one.
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Yeah.
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Episode. You know, I mean, that one will be.
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Yeah.
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You might see David take a break after that. He might, you know, he might need some time to recuperate.
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I mean, Cody winning All Stars broke me, you know, sent me to the hospital for a week and a half.
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C
So, you know, these are incomparable games. Even, Even then. That's wild. You would compare 22 to this. This one's a different world. If that broke you, this one for sure. Will, unfortunately. We'll see. We'll see. We have some weeks to go. We have weeks. But, you know, it wasn't Keanu's week to lose. It was Wills, unfortunately, who would have been great to see one. We both were.
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Yes.
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C
Fingers crossing.
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B
Yes. Do you have anyone or anything else you want to discuss before we move on?
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C
No. I mean, I feel like this is such a week where you mentioned, you know, the Rachel.
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B
Yeah.
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Hook up a lot of our mindset and then we've talked about here. I mean, we can talk about to death. I think we've talked about the last few episodes, our little whatever mance, our cheat mans going on that has manifested. But I think we'll leave that because I think that will manifest itself into this future episodes still because they're both here. So with that in mind, I am good to move on.
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B
All right. Well, normally we would now have our semi regular segment, Julie Chan Moonves is wrong about Blank. But I don't have anything here specifically unless we wanted to spend time talking about her idiotic attempt to cover production's butt during her interview with Rachel by trying to throw the blame back on Rachel herself. But I feel like that was covered on the recap episode and has been. You know, it was exactly what I expected. I even posted on Blue sky beforehand, like, whatever happens in this interview, know Rachel is not going to slam them because she's a professional and she knows it's being edited by production. And of course, you know, we had Julie being production's mouthpiece, so of course this was what they were going to do. Just like they had the voiceovers that they added in in the actual Rachel elimination episode to make it sound like there was a social game. They're trying to cover their butts. So I. I really don't have anything more to say about that.
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Yeah, no. I mean, very interesting episodes. The way the eulogy, the way they kind of put it together of the back. It's funny because you can tell they need to change things up because it was unlike any other episode they post. Like even the whole structure of it was so different, regardless of the element that was thrown in there. Yeah. So I'm sure we'll have more segments.
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Well, Will was probably the most likable person in Big Brother 27. When he left, he said that was the reason behind him being voted out. But was it really that simple? Does that cover all of it or were there complicating factors that led to Will heading off to be the second juror at rjp? We know Big Brother and we know why Will lost. Now the first and most important rule is to scheme and plot. As much as Will was a fun and lovable guy, he was no Dr. Will. When it came to the game Captain Will was a much different player. Way back in week three, he said to himself, slash us. I don't know if I'm built for this bleep. All this lying, making up, bleep. It's too much. Too much lying. Later in the game, Will told Ashley it would be hell if he won veto in that particular week because he would have to talk to so many people over two days. Man, I tell you, ov, life is rough. Hey Will, welcome to Big Brother.
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C
You know, it's funny because in the beginning I was my expectations for Will were slightly lower because I was worried about one, how he would adjust into the game being an older house just comparatively to his years. And it felt like this year the house seemed a little younger or the conversation seemed a little bit younger. And we saw that with Will where he was like, I feel, you know, a little bit of how do I connect with people? I feel like there's nothing I can talk to them with. And I was like, okay, like it's manifesting itself. We're seeing that. We're kind of seeing, okay, Will might be a problem. But then, you know, with this, yes, he was no Dr. Will. But I like how he kind of took his strategy of I am worried about that, like scheming against other people backstabbed him. I'm gonna find a strategy that works with it. And you know, he really played a fly on the wall where he was part of discussions. But also, I mean, that was the thing with Will. He didn't input. He was just a bouncing right for people. And it worked well for him. I don't think it would have worked well for any other player winding news. But he was the one player who could be like, I don't want to scheme and plot and cut people backstab. I would decide my own scheming and party and that'll be with me the doctor room. Because that was the only person he was really trying to talk about his strategies with.
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Yeah, I mean he. He went through like a cycle of playing the game. Unfortunately, he end. He ended where he began because it took him a while to get the swing of things, you know, along the way. He was in some alliances, like the bond alliance for whatever that was worth and a couple of others. He was in the judges alliance which he and Ashley basically like brought together. And that alliance was carrying the day until the stupid rule change that eliminated things like alliances from actually mattering. Like it doesn't matter what your alliance is, Especially when his tight ally Ava screwed it all up on top of that.
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Yeah, I mean his game was very dependent on the people around him. So like you mentioned it go. It went on and off, but it really had to switch in different ways because if his allies were playing badly, his game was kind of a little bit in, you know, issue because he was really relying on other people to make the moves, which again, typically isn't a strategy because we always talk about within, you know, the game when you're scheming, plotting, you need to have some form of autonomy, especially to get to the end of the game because you don't want to base it off anybody else's game. You're going to lose at the end. He was in a unique situation where we see a lot of people, we see a lot of like older house kids come in there and we see a lot of older houseguests who are women who talk about they want to play a motherly figure, you know, motherly role or I see. We see that a lot of other social games and survival. I'll play the mother role and try to have my baby cubs around, you know, and it works out with them. We don't really see as much with the men going in there because I want to be the father figure out here, you know, but we kind of saw that role with Will. Yeah, but like you said, when his kids are doing bad things like Ava going, throwing around the alliances are changing up the game it hurts his game because it's a reflection of it. But overall, I still kind of like how he was able to, you know, work his way with that.
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Yeah, I mean, he wasn't exactly a big strategist and he didn't try to be one, you know, like you said. In fact, when he was first nominated, he didn't try pretty much anything at all.
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He.
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He was nominated, as we know, a couple times early as a pawn, but his own inaction was a big contributing factor to the second one. You know, Lauren, who was hoh, did a terrible job of talking to him throughout the whole game, but the problem for him is that she was the HOH twice, which means he was the one who needed to be seeking her out and talking to her. And he did not do that. The first time that she was hoh, which was his second nomination. He heard through the grapevine that he was an option to go on the block, and therefore he. He went to bed without talking to Lauren, like, what? What are you doing? And then the next morning, he still didn't go to her. She came to him. And even then, he didn't really push back. Like he said, well, yeah, I heard you were planning to do that. He could have reminded. Reminded her like, we're in the bond alliance together. Remember that? You know? So she went back and told Vince that one reason she nominated Will was because he had just accepted it when she talked to him about it as a possibility. And then unfortunately, I think that was still his attitude this time as well, or I don't want to say still again, because I said it was a cycle. He told Mike Bloom I couldn't have changed their mind, and I really didn't try. I knew they were dead set. And what I'm not going to do is beg somebody for a damn vote. I'm not that person. I can't do it. I won't allow myself to do it. Within two days, I went from being definitely safe to definitely leaving. It happened in 48 hours. So it is what it is. And here's the problem. Let me sum it up this way. He's wrong. Vince was anything but, quote, dead set. He was actually looking for an excuse to change his vote and he couldn't find one. That's partially because, like, the first time Will was nominated, he didn't give him one. He didn't even try. Plus, think about it. If it flipped on you in 48 hours, it can flip back. But if you're not willing to fight for yourself, whether you call it begging Instead of fighting, then you really aren't playing big brother. I'm just not sure what he expected. And this wasn't a recent development because he was saying it to Amy all the way back when they were nominated together on week two. So, yes, I'm sorry, you do have to fight or beg or whatever for votes. It is part of the game.
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C
Yeah. And I think it goes back to the strategy of when you rely on others to do things for you. It can only go so far, especially in this end game. And I think the biggest issue was he was content. He was content with how he was where he was in the game, and he was okay with potentially going out at that point. Like, I think he set out to do what he wanted to do, and that changes while you're in the game. If you think you're gonna go out week one and you have life after that, then it's like, okay, you're playing on house money. It doesn't matter if you go out down the line. It's like, you're there, you're there. And I feel like. Like he had that mindset, unfortunately, where when the switch flips up, he's not going to be the ones flipping it back and down. You know, the lights are off. All right, well, I'm sleeping now. The lights are on. Okay, I'm gonna stay up. It's not him flipping the switch. So it was tough to see because we see a player with such, you know, and I don't want to bleed into. But such good social game and connections with people. If he did take a little bit more autonomy near the end of this game and want to make those decisions, actually play the game, I think we could have seen something very cool in the way Will could have strategized. But his. I don't want to say inability to strategize with, but his unwillingness, unwillingness to do it is what really harmed him in this portion.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is interesting because going back to that earlier nomination, after Will took it sitting down, he then got upset. It wasn't about him letting his emotions get away from him or else we'd be talking about it in Rule 4. This was him purposely letting it be known he was not a happy pawn like some of the others. He wasn't going to just go quietly into that good night. As he told Mickey at the time, he had to let those mfers know he's mad. And in large part because he did stand up and make us think about it. He was not made into a Pawn Star, which is good. But the problem was he did it too late for that particular vote, that nomination, when he was nominated the second time and he was almost evicted that week, if Vince and Zach hadn't flipped, thanks in part to Ava talking to them and also in part due to not being on the. Wanting to be on the same side as Keanu, he had been gone.
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C
Do you feel that the expedited result of Rachel kind of took the air out of his like, like sales? Do you feel like in their mind, oh, I'm gonna play the game when Rachel, you know, he's gonna add it up. But since Rachel was just kind of taken out, like, you feel like that did such a damage, well, that would.
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Be an emotional reaction. So we'll wait till rule four.
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C
Well, that.
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B
So I might have thoughts about that.
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C
Okay, good. Let's put a pin in that portion. I will ask that question again.
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B
Now, Ava was of course one of Will's closest allies and she helped him in that early case that I mentioned. But you need something more in an ally, and Ava really wasn't it. Chantel and I discussed yesterday how Ava messed up the hamster wheel of death that helped lead to her tightest ally, Will being evicted. Like, you know, when she was walking around crying on the, you know, in the eviction episode Thursday night, I was like, ava, just be quiet. You're the one who caused this. You started the ball rolling that caused all this. So just stop it. But you know, she, on top of that, she didn't really talk much game me M. Mickey mentioned this to Will a little while back and, and Will said she doesn't. I think she's playing the wrong game. She's really non galant, but she's very trustworthy. And it's good that he had a trustworthy ally, but he needed allies who would fight for him. But for most of the game, she's just shrugged and said, h. It's all predetermined. Whatever will happen will happen. C LA or siest la you know, that was even her attitude when people let her know they'd be voting out Will this time. She was like, well, I don't like it. But, you know, whatever happens, that's not who you need in an ally. You need someone who's going to fight for you.
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C
And that's the issue. Because his game was so similar that way of hers. It's just like you kind of. Even though he did have more input, I will say a lot of the conversations it was. You see, when you don't have an Alex say that who pushes for you, but that's kind of what their alliance was built on. Was it okay? Well, it's not us. You know, it's okay if it's not us. And then try to stay away from it. So it, it's the hand that bites you, right? It worked so well for him, like, throughout the game because both of them were like, okay, well, we can vote together. It's not us, it's somebody else. But then it comes back because now Ava's in that position. Meh. So, I mean, and you see her emotion when he gets voted out and you're like, wow. You know, but you also, you could have done something about this. You could have helped.
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B
You could have helped in multiple ways. Yes. You know, I, I, I feel like a lot of time Will played the game like the podcaster he is. He sat back, he watched, and then he commentated on the side with people. Like when Mickey went crazy after going after Rachel, he talked to Ashley and Ava about how people spent half the week antagonizing Rachel and then they were freaking out when they could have just focused or talking about Vincent Morgan and how their hugging was getting even more obvious. He didn't want to get involved, and sometimes he didn't even listen to people. But he could give good advice when asked. Like, Ava told him Keanu was pushing her to say she would vote out Ashley instead of Vince when it came down to that a couple weeks ago. And Will told her, just tell him whenever he wants to hear on Thursday, just vote however you want to vote. What's he gonna do? He's not hoh no more. So it's like the concept of lying hadn't even occurred to Ava until Will said it.
- [32:33]
C
He has a very good read on how dynamics work. You know, I mean, I think that goes from his interpersonal skills. But also in the house, it's kind of. He is the inverse of Keanu in that regard, where he sees how the narrative is working in the house, how players are playing it, and he's watching. Like you said, it's kind of the podcast are in him where he was able to, he sits back and he's watching. And it doesn't hurt that basically anybody that he has already talked to in some relationship will basically give him more information than he ever gives them. He is a true sounding one. He's able to kind of see that. So when it asks for it, like you get, it's kind of like in a video game when you go to the you Know the character. You just, like, have conversations with them. You're asking npc, you're like, hey, what do I do for this cyclist? And they are the all knowing, you know, the wizard telling you, oh, this. This is your mission. This is your mission. That's how I looked at Will, you know, that he would just be like, all right, here's what you can do. But it's only when prompted, you have to go to them to do it. They're not going to do it themselves. That's not the role. And he took on that role. I wish he took on a more of an active role because I don't think we would be having this episode about him if he did.
- [33:42]
B
Well, yeah, that's exactly it. Because he was sitting back and wasn't interested in, as he called it, begging for votes. He completely opened the door for Ashley to do it against him. I mean, we heard Ashley say on the show that, you know, he. He told her it was okay to campaign against him in order to stay, and she did. Those votes did not flip magically in 48 hours. She flipped them.
- [34:06]
C
It was.
- [34:07]
B
She put in the work. She got it done. You know, she got Morgan and Keanu on her side. And then Morgan worked on Vince and even Lauren came around. So, you know, if. If Vince has both his independent allies happy, he's. He's gonna do it. He doesn't want to piss off both of them. It's rare that he could do what, something that makes both of them happy.
- [34:29]
C
Yeah, no, I. I mean, and we will probably get into it more, but this week really was. It shows who wants it more. Right. Because when you're getting to this end of the game, it's the small things that matter. It's the small, like, conversations you have that can really make the needle keep moving back and forth. And when you have a player like Will who's not advocating for himself, and you have a player like Ashley who is really advocating herself, and then you have the other added elements which we'll go into from threat level, social games, all these other components. It makes a very compelling argument. All right, we should not keep Will here, but Will could have changed that. I mean, he played for, you know, he gave everyone else advice, and I wish he just kind of sometimes took it, you know, himself where he could have acted upon this.
- [35:18]
B
All right, well, I think we can move into the second rule here, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. When it comes to that second part of this rule, Vince Was pretty much perfect. He was, you know, usually a vault. People would tell him all sorts of things, and he did not spread it around. We talked about that already a bit in the first world. Now, he did have a slip by telling Rachel that Keanu had told. Keanu had told Ava that she was pushing to get Ava out. But he also didn't expect Rachel to go running to Ava about it. Other than that many secrets just died when they went into his ears. Or rather, if they went into his ears at all, because he. He really might not have been listening. No.
- [36:01]
C
I think one of my favorite clips we've gotten from the episodes was one of them where he's like, people just tell me things and I'm there and I'm just listening to them. They don't even realize I'm not the one even talking to them. And it shows clips of him in so different. Different scenarios. And he's just like a soundboard. He's like, yep. And he was able to keep all the information he wanted to to himself because he didn't talk game of his game. He didn't talk about, okay, this is what my strategy will be. He really was very perfect at listening to people and kind of giving them what they want to hear. And by that kind of being a trusted ally, it was really impressive seeing him work in this regard where he was able to get as much information as he needed. But the issue is, is that you gotta. Gotta work with that information once you receive it.
- [36:50]
B
Yeah, it's like a spy agency that then doesn't pass it along. It's like, hey, you know, we found out that they're. They're launching an attack over here. Okay, that's good to know. Are we gonna do anything about it? You told me that's good enough. You know, like, what. What good is that? Now, as to the rest of the rule, considering that we talked about how he didn't really want to scheme and plot much to begin with, it's safe to say he certainly didn't do it too much.
- [37:22]
C
No, we. We wish he did a little bit more.
- [37:24]
B
Yes, exactly. All right, so we could go to the third rule, which talks about the need to be flexible. Ovie, I know the question you always like to ask is whether the player was tested. So do you think Will was tested? And if so, did he pass or.
- [37:41]
C
Fail in this one? Unfortunately, I think Will was tested many times. Whether Will really realized he was tested, I'm unsure. I don't think he cared. There were so many scenarios where Will really could have saved his game and just let it be to other people. I mean it was one he knew what was happening, how things were kind of flipping on him especially this week too. You kind of see the writing on the wall in different ways when he allows other people to campaign against him and he decides he's not going to. I mean he really stuck to his, you know, his principles and how he wanted to play the game. I felt like in the beginning I was impressed with him in this regard because he's on the block, he's not having the ability to connect to players the way he feels like needs to be and we're kind of seeing it the game get away from him but then we see him find himself in alliance after alliance after alliance and people talking about Will really in no negative way at all and I'm like huh, this is very impressive the way you've been able to maneuver the game without realizing. I think it wasn't really flexibility that was getting him through the game. It was more so just who Will is a really good guy, really good person. And that was got what got him so far in the game which is actually really impressive alone as a person. Kudos to Will but BB player not flexible at all.
- [39:00]
B
Yeah, I, I, I, I would say the same thing. He was easygoing but not flexible in a game sense. You know we, we talked earlier about him not wanting to have to beg for votes from a bunch of 20 somethings. Well guess what, that's the situation you're in. That's also the situation you should have known you would be in. But even if you didn't know, you have to shift your perspective. Rudy Bosch was older than Will when he played. I mean he was a solid 20 years older than Will when he played in the very first season of Survivor. And he famously said I gotta fit in. Not them. You know, there's more of them than there is of me. If Rudy understood this way back then, Will should have known it.
- [39:44]
C
Now 100 and I, I don't know if it's one thing he's just saying that to cope on certain things but it's frustrating because you know what you're signed up for. Everyone knows that no matter what when you sign up for Big Brother you're gonna get a 20 something year olds.
- [40:00]
B
I mean I'm not gonna say everyone knows. I mean some of these people still don't know what the live feed that's true you know. But yes, I think Will should have known.
- [40:08]
C
Yes, most people going into it should and it's one of those things you need to. You view your. Each person in the house, they are a vote for you, a player, another person that you need. It doesn't matter. Their age doesn't matter. It's. Everyone has the same vote, especially at this stage of the game. And everyone kind of has the same level of power to kind of keep you in the game. So, yeah, I don't love that take from him. I'm hoping it's more so like as I after the fact coping.
- [40:36]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Well. Another way that Will was not really flexible was the way he thought about flexibility. He told Mike Bloom, when I think of a team, if I think of an alliance, you rock with that alliance all the way through and then you pick each other off. Some people have a different concept of an alliance in this game and that's their prerogative. And Morgan and Vinnie are two of those people because they are dead set on just the final two. Now, he acknowledged that's their prerogative, but he didn't do anything about counteracting it. Again, in this case, he was still blaming Morgan and Vince for his exit, which was way oversimplifying things. But the point is he seemed to think his view of what an alliance was should carry the day. But like everything else, you have to consider what that other people aren't going to look at it the same way as you. Like he even said that's their prerogative. Okay, so then I, I have to wonder, was he actually going to follow it? Like, would he have voted out Ava before Vince or Morgan because Vincent Morgan were in the judges alliance with him? I, I don't know.
- [41:48]
C
Yeah, it's a hard tell. But I also feel like maybe because I think this might have been his, the strategy that he would have talked about at the end of the game, end of the jury, where he's like, I played my principal game. I was who I was and I, you know, I was in this alliance and I had to pick people out of it. And maybe it would have helped that Ava was kind of last lackadaisical about him and pushing like trying to keep him there. Maybe he wouldn't feel as bad about that going down the game. But yeah, it's, it's. I truly think Will was gonna live and die by the same sword he came in and came out with.
- [42:25]
B
All right, well, the fourth rule says players should not let their emotions control them. And I think this is where we have a significant issue at the end of the game because Will just gave up. And I think A lot of it was emotional exhaustion. And I want to say, look, it's hard to blame the guy. He's playing against younger and in most cases more athletic people. The game itself has become more athletic in recent days. He has an injured knee because of how athletic one of those comps was. Production is keeping the blockbuster for a ridiculously long time so there would be more of those comps. He lost Rachel to a physical comp. Plus, from conversations we've seen on live feeds, he, among others, believes the masterminds month of mayhem will include more eliminations instead of evictions. They don't know, but they're presuming that there's going to be more like that. Many of the players have talked about how having a good social game doesn't matter. When you're in a situation such that only comp wins help you. One thing just kept piling on top of another and they broke his spirit. So, yeah, I get it, but it doesn't mean we can let him off the hook here.
- [43:51]
C
Yeah, you know, he up to this week, these last week and a half, he played a very principled game where he sticks to his rules. And I don't feel like he's made emotional decisions truly that have impacted his gameplay too much. I mean, if we want to say he's been by his principles, maybe we could say that. But he has stuck to his guns. How he's going to play it, lay low, essentially not started pot. It was this last week and a half and I agree with you that the game broke him in the sense that do you feel the hope is still there? Do you feel like you can win? I think that's where the content is. He was already content initially. I feel like that he got as far as he did and then he was playing the type of game and I think you see that, oh, I can potentially win it. I have a great social game. I can win against the people next to me. But then you see what the game now holds and it feels like a total different game that you were prepared for. So for Will, who we have the very inflexible game related, it's like the game has changed and you now the end game that you thought would come into play is no longer there and now you have to deal with basically your worst nightmare of how the game's going to be played. So it's. It's a lot and I mean, I think it all came to a fruition where he was content how far he made. He loves the people in that house. And if this is where he goes, he goes. And he was okay with that.
- [45:13]
B
Yeah. I mean, as a result of that, we talked about earlier how he told Ashley it was okay for her to campaign against him, but then he also wouldn't push for himself. We already talked about how he's not going to beg for votes. He wouldn't campaign against her. In fact, he was the opposite. Instead of meeting with people to try and get them to vote for him to stay, he met with people to say he wouldn't take it personally if they vote him out. He understands it's a game and that's okay. And it's like, no, you're. You're doing this backwards.
- [45:43]
C
He did not make it hard for people to turn on him. And that's the thing, is he is so likable and so lovable. I think if there's any player that can get past a week with just kind of guilting people and letting them know that, hey, we have such a strong connection, you know, I care so much about you. It would hurt me deeply if you vote me out. I think Will is one of the few players left in this house where that would actually mean a lot to some of these players. He decided not to do it. And that's why, like, you know, I agree with you. I feel like he was this. He was ready to leave the house because he wasn't fighting for it. I, He. He just really did not want to go against Ashley at all in the situation, and we see it completely take him. So, yeah, I mean, the emotions, the whole feelings of it. You're in there for so long, you make these bonds with players and, and for him, who's never really backstabbed anybody, it just came all to a fruition because now it's. The problem is exponential now with Rachel being gone, you have less of a shield there. And somebody, maybe you already thought, he thought, okay, if I have to backstab Rachel, I might just do it because she is a Rachel now. She's gone. Now I have to backstab my friends. I don't know if I can do that.
- [46:51]
B
Yeah. And you had mentioned, you know, the Rachel factor earlier, and. Yeah, that's definitely one of it. You know, he. He considered her a shield and an ally. Someone who would. If he wouldn't fight for himself, she would fight for him. And she just wasn't there anymore. And that was just one more thing on top of that pile that we talked about.
- [47:10]
C
Yeah, it's. This rule has never made me so depressed. For a player but right now, this is. We always talk about, like, yeah, they can't control their emotions. We're talking about the will to live in the game.
- [47:23]
B
Yeah, Will lost his Will is what.
- [47:26]
C
You know, it's so depressing.
- [47:27]
B
Yeah.
- [47:28]
C
So, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, unfortunately, it did impact his game strongly.
- [47:33]
B
All right, well, since it's depressing you, we'll move on to the fifth rule, which says players need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. I suspect I might know the answer here, but how. How do you think Will did in this rule?
- [47:45]
C
You know, for many players, for few players, we say this, but he did not have to pretend his social game was impeccable. I think he truly was just himself in the house. And, I mean, he made the house guests love him. And he made, you know, very few times. It's universal. House guests and America love a player. And I truly think that, you know, if Rachel wasn't on the season, I think he would have a great shot for afp. He still might. He. He is so loved. And I think that was what took him so far. I mean, that's how he got into conversations in alliances where he really was not inputting much. That's how he was part of different groups when he wasn't winning competitions. And that's how, when he was on the block, he wouldn't go home because of the players around him liked him so much. It really was, until he kind of gave up on the game and stopped advocating for himself that he was sent home. It was never an issue of anybody saying, I don't like Will. I don't like what he said. I mean, even the most opposing players of the season had no issues with Will.
- [48:44]
B
Right? Yeah. He was certainly the most well liked person in the house. And like you said, outside the house, most of it, again, like you said, wasn't even pretending. But he did pretend some because he had his strategy of just sitting there and listening when someone would talk. As he told Mike Bloom, you have certain people in the house who just love to talk. And if you love to talk, I'm going to let you talk. I've learned that in life you have talkers who like to hear themselves speak, and you have individual. Those individuals who think they're the smartest in the room. So if you think you're the smartest in the room, I'm going to let you continue to think that you're the smartest in the room. So by doing that, it made people really enjoy him. He didn't challenge them on what they Said he didn't push back, he listened. So, you know, compare that to Rachel, where Morgan would say something to Rachel and Rachel would be like, is that really the way it is? Is that really it? Because yesterday you said something different. You know, even about mundane things, Will wasn't like that. He encouraged, he nodded along. Did he actually hear them? Probably not, but they didn't know that. You know, it's funny because at one point, I think it was this week, Ashley came to him with something and said, okay, we're doing the plan we talked about yesterday. He's like, what plan? And she told him what the plan was. He goes, that's a terrible plan. Why would we do that? She's like, you. You agreed to it yesterday. He's like, no, I didn't. She's like, yes, you were nodding along. He's like, oh, I probably didn't hear you.
- [50:21]
C
That's funny. I mean, that's. That very much Will. And it's a thing where I feel in the Big Brother house, it's so exhausting. And every player, you know, there's no one you can trust, really, for sure. And if you think you can trust them, then either you or that person's playing the wrong game. And so Will was the type of player you could go if you felt you were going home to, essentially, that it was comfort where you could talk to them and you wouldn't feel like, oh, my. Like the stresses of the house. He was that person for a lot of the players in the house, and he generally meant it. I mean, I think that's very impressive, and I think it speaks to, you know, volumes of who the person he is. And I think that's even more so frustrating for us as viewers and then us talking about this episode where we're like, put an ounce of strategy of wanting to be strategic into Will, we see this man win this game.
- [51:11]
B
Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, we could go to the sixth rule. We know that Will was not voted out for being too unlikable, but was it the opposite? Was he voted out for being too likable? As he said after his eviction? Did he break this rule by being too much of a threat? And to that I say it's interesting because when Will was nominated early in the game, it was done because he wasn't a threat at all, and therefore whoever sat next to him would go home. Ashley even said as much at the time, noting that it would be dumb if Will were to go home then because he wouldn't win anything going forward. And she was right. But as time went on and personalities mattered more and more, the tides shifted. If he were allowed to make it to the end, people would easily vote for him to win based on likability alone, especially against some of these other house guests.
- [52:04]
C
Yeah, it's very interesting, like you said, because he is a very likable player, no doubt. But I do think we said in the beginning of the season, initially, the first week or two, this house likes to fight. Like these players, all of them, they're just. The way they were cast was just explosions in a box. So every single person kind of dislikes every single person to a certain degree, except Will. So it's. Will is very likable, and everyone is very unlikable to each other, you know, and so I feel like because of that huge gap there, almost everyone felt worry that sitting next to Will, it doesn't matter what I say, what I do, they just like him more and they want to give him the money. At the end of the day, like, here's the thing is, yes, some players, jury members are going to vote with strict strategy who did this? But Will has done enough in those conversations, in those alliances. I think strategy alone, people would be like, you made it this far, and we really like you. I want to give you $750,000. I do not want to give this person that. I feel like their strategy was maybe just a little better than yours. It's not worth it.
- [53:11]
B
Yeah.
- [53:14]
C
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B
This is the story of the 1. As a maintenance supervisor at a manufacturing facility, he knows keeping the line up and running is a top priority. That's why he chooses Grainger. Because when a drive belt gets damaged, Grainger makes it easy to find the exact specs for the replacement product he needs. And next day delivery helps ensure he'll have everything in place and running like clockwork. Call 1-800-granger. Click granger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done. Was Will likely to make it to the end? No. Yeah. As we discussed in the fifth rule, the odds were stacked against him because of all the comps and the comps and then more comps, he was unlikely to win an important one and shake up the house in some way. Still, he could have been brought along if people focused on getting rid of others, meaning that by voting him out now, when the opportunity was there and he wasn't really fighting it, that was the best option for many of them. They didn't have to worry, oh, we'll have to deal with him later. Oh, he might make it to the end somehow. No, you don't have to worry about any of that. We can. We can just cut this off right now.
- [55:01]
C
Yeah, it's tough because trying to get to the end for him, I only see a pathway where he's kind of smudged between, like a player like Rachel and Keanu, who are huge threats to each other and they're worried about who can win. So both of them take Will, and maybe at that point, Will can take out the win. But getting to that point would have been tough. It. Especially the way the competitions go end game, where there is a little less of variety. It's more sometimes endurance. And we know Will from his track record. That's probably not going to be a winning record.
- [55:35]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Especially with the knee injury. So.
- [55:38]
C
Yeah.
- [55:39]
B
All right. Well, the seventh rule says to trust almost nobody. I. I don't really think Will had issues with this rule because he mostly listened rather than talking. He didn't have the problem that others have this season of their secrets being told and retold all over the place or of people turning on them. That said, we can look back at something I mentioned in the first rule about how you should have allies that help you. Will trusted Ava since pretty much the beginning of the game, and she didn't purposely screw him over, but she did it accidentally due to her lack of strategy and her whatever will be will be attitude. Again, you need to trust people who will fight for you. And he had that in Rachel until he didn't.
- [56:27]
C
Yeah, when you trust people, you give them a level of power because his game, too, was based on how other players would play around him and advocate for him. So he really is willfully getting his game in other people's hands, expecting that to work for him week in and week out. It does in many ways. Until it doesn't. Because when your allies start, you have less and less, and people are playing their own game. That trust in them really gets even higher because their power level is so much stronger over your game. Their influence over your game is so much more. So Ava holding such a large pie of his game where he's like, okay, hopefully you will advocate for me. You will fight for me when she doesn't. It falls apart when Rachel goes out and is eliminated like that. It, it takes another out here. Ability to win the game when it's based around other people really falters. And for him, that was an issue. This portion.
- [57:18]
B
Yeah. All right, well, we are at the jury now, so technically we need to discuss the jury phase and appendix A. But the thing is, there isn't really much to talk about here. We've already mentioned how people didn't want to face Will at the end, but beyond that, he wasn't doing anything specific in terms of helping his chances if he made it to the end when it comes to the jury. So I just, you know, it's basically here because, you know, I'm supposed to add it here according to my own self imposed rules, but I don't really.
- [57:49]
C
Have much to show this.
- [57:50]
B
Yeah.
- [57:53]
C
So we will. Yeah, I mean, I will be interested to see how he votes, whether he votes via alliance, you know, going down or if he decides somebody's game deserves to be better than, you know, strategy. He wants to give him a vote. I think I'm interested in that. But also with Rachel being our first jury member, I think that sets the tone a lot. I, I just want. What I want right now is segments of Will and Rachel in the jury house. Yes. That's what I would love to see. And I'm pretty sure cbs, if they're smart, they're going to put that out in the next episode.
- [58:25]
B
They're going to put as much Rachel content out there as they can, you know, so. All right, well, it is about time to wrap things up. So what are your final thoughts about Will? Will.
- [58:37]
C
What a man. Kudos to him. In a season where we have complained about a lot of players not just being maybe not the best gameplay, but maybe not the best people outside of it, Will has been refreshing. I mean, he's been loved by House, gets inside, he's captured America's heart. His gameplay was really interesting in a sense that it worked so well for him. When there wasn't much gameplay, he really focused on the people around him, his relationships. He was a true savant in the social game, but he did not take the information he got from the social game and to enact it in strategy. I wish he did so because if he did so, I don't think we'd be having an episode about him at this point. He is my I wish you won, but you didn't. And for all the reasons we've talked about today, that is why he lost.
- [59:22]
B
Yeah, Will had an interesting path in Big in the Big Brother house, he was chilling and then suddenly nominated twice. He survived those and went back to chilling again for a while. But while he was in alliances, he was mostly going with the flow rather than doing much to direct the flow. Of course, he thought he was in a good spot with the judges. As he said on the show, this was not supposed to happen. The judges controlled the game and they mostly did until production blew that all to hell. Still, you have to remember in the in Big Brother that even when a majority seems to be in control, a minority can still win HOH and you find yourself in trouble, or with the blockbuster this season, even your own HOH may have to nominate half the damn house. So you need to keep working. That just wasn't Will. As I've said, I'm not entirely sure what he expected to have to do in Big Brother, but strategizing, talking to other people and fighting, or as he called it, begging for votes, was definitely among those things. The funny thing is that even as much as he did not want to do those things, he was still a better player than at least half of these bozos. It is amazing what just listening, or at least pretending to listen can do. But everything got to Will and he just gave up. As I said, I can understand how it happened, but part of Big Brother is still dealing with the stresses and even being dealt a really crappy hand by production. I know it seemed very unlikely that he would make it to the end with the way things were lining up, but I can't be like Ava and just shrug and say whatever happens, happens. It wouldn't be a very interesting podcast. Everything led to Will telling Ashley that it was fine to campaign against him. Ashley put in the work and got the job done. Will just let it happen. And that is why Will lost.
- [61:24]
C
So in a season of monologues where you have written into players, this might be one of your nicest monologues and honestly one of my favorites, you know? Okay, very kind. And it honestly truly encapsulated his full game.
- [61:40]
B
Thank you. All right, well, we will have predictions in a moment for the double eviction after a few other pieces of information. In addition, if you want our full thoughts, we are all over social media where we discuss Big Brother and other topics.
- [61:56]
C
Yes. Don't forget that we are both very active on a number of different social media platforms where we discuss Big Brother and other topics on Twitter, Blue sky and Instagram I'm at Ober and on Tik Tok I'm at Basmati Boy. But David is truly all over the place. But you can track him down a few different ways. You can find him on his link tree at Link Tree slash David Bloomberg or you can find him directly on Blue sky as at David Bloomberg.
- [62:17]
B
Yes. You know I encourage anyone at any of the other places to come over to Blue sky for all of your Big Brother discussions and then continue it with your Survivor discussions. Also for the videos, I have been posting three or four, sometimes as many as six videos per day at Tick Tock, YouTube and Instagram where I'm @David Bloomberg TV. It is of course a combination of thoughts from the episodes, a lot of live feed clips with my commentary. You know I mentioned that I did Australian Survivor Australia versus the World Mini Y Blank Lofts and of course a y blank one. And I also mentioned I have now over 50,000 subscribers on YouTube and almost 13,000 on tick tock. So thank you to everyone who has subscribed in either place. I am also doing a lot of podcasting this week. Of course we talked earlier that Chantelle Francis and I talked about why Rachel lost and her game overall yesterday. So if you haven't caught that yet, be sure you catch up with that. Plus, the Survivor 49 season is rapidly approaching. So Jessica Lewis and I will be doing our preview podcast Sunday and on Saturday I'll be back on the Trader podcast talking about the Traders Ireland episode six. So I have had, I'm having four days of podcasts. Is a busy week.
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C
You are a busy man. Yes.
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B
All right, prediction time. As always, these are spoiler free so that means that we figured them out before the live feeds came back. But we do know there's a double eviction coming. We saw that Keanu told Lauren flat out he would be coming for her and Vince and Morgan. So obviously if Vince or Morgan win hoh, Keanu will be a target. In fact, I think he'll be a target for anyone. But maybe Kelly and even Kelly got upset with him recently so he could literally be the definition of the house target with with two evictions. I I just have to think he's going to be one of them. I maybe I'm fooling myself but I have to and then I would love to predict that Kelly will be the other one to go out. She she does have Ava and Lauren on her side, but I'm not sure. I I just don't know if other people would necessarily target her. But the thing is, she is the perfect nominee for people who want to keep playing the scaredy cat game like Ava and Lauren. And I like the idea of her and Keanu going in the same night. So just because of that, I'm gonna predict it.
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C
The prediction or a dream? I'm not sure.
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B
Both. Both.
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C
I, I, you know, it's funny. We, we were completely, we're on opposite factors of here. I and I told you this beforehand. I believe that this was work. We're gonna see Keanu. He's gonna be safe. We're gonna see Kelly be safe this week too, because they're gonna win. They're gonna win a competition. Who's gonna go out is Ashley and Morgan, I think actually this week. And I think Morgan probably in a double potentially right afterwards because our comp beast are gonna win their way through and then they're gonna go for the next thing that they can potentially. And if it's not Vince, they're gonna go for Morgan. So that's my prediction here. We've had a season where you and I have both been predicting and wondering if our winner pick is going to go out week by week. It's impressive. I mean, I wish we put money on this that how far our winner picks would go because Kiana was yours. As she was mining. They have defied all odds. Yes, I'm content how far they've gotten. All right. Yeah, I'm fine. But now as we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the RJP Patreon program at robhazawebsite.com patronage Rob, a several patron only podcast for Big Brother, plus other perks like the Facebook group and Discord. You can support shows like ours and everything on the network by becoming a patron at Rob as a website dot com.
- [66:19]
B
And make sure you're subscribed to all of the rhap podcasts either by going to renorealitytv.com or for specifically Big Brother. You can look down here and see we know bigbrother.com you could select your podcast service of choice and get all the great content like, you know, especially if you want to move into Survivor as well and make sure you get Survivor wide blind clause. Go to we know reality TV because that covers everything. So yeah, I encourage you to decide what you want and go there and you'll get just tons of rhap greatness.
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C
And finally, we want to thank Scott St. Pierre and Justice Sterling. The whole RJP and reality TV wrap ups behind the scenes team for all the work they do for editing and posting everything else. We really appreciate everything you do to get our voices from our microphones to your ears. And thank you for everyone who's been viewing coming in here commenting a week in, a week out. I know we had to ride a strong and sad wave of these past week or so of not our favorite things happening, but we do appreciate y' all being dedicated and being top telling us your thoughts. So let us know this week what you think of Will's game, what we said right, what we said wrong or what David said right obviously. And then let us know what your predictions are. Who do you think is going to kind of keep going forward and this week might be for this double eviction?
- [67:39]
B
Yes, yes. And of course thank you OVI for a great episode and you know, well, you know, a great episode about a, a guy who seems to be really nice and we're sad about heading out of the game but you know, it happens. Now the two of us will see everyone in a week. But I will be back, as I mentioned, with Jessica in a couple days and you can find either of us on social media in the meantime. Until then, bye.
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C
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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