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Taryn
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Asia
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Melissa
Do they have what it takes to compete and be the next Dancing with the Stars pro? I'm here to win.
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Taryn
Nothing is gonna stop me.
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Melissa
Our star judges will decide.
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Taryn
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Melissa
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Taryn
The next era of ballroom starts right here on Dancing with the Stars.
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Melissa
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Taryn
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Melissa
I'm doing great. I'm very excited for our first roundtable. This is so. I'm just excited to get into it. I feel like the first. The first couple of roundtables are always really strange because we. There's just too many people. But it's still fun to talk about. Everyone.
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Taryn
Yes. Yes. We are going to try. We're going to try. There's 17 people to talk about. We're going to try to keep it as tight as we can, getting through all 17. But with us to do that is Asia this week. How you doing, Asia?
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Asia
Hello. I'm doing great. I missed big brother, so I'm so excited that we're back for a new season. I will say that I was out of town for work, so I missed the premiere live. And then I called my girlfriend and I said, hey, how was the premiere? She's like, well, I thought Rachel was going to come in the house, but then a dinosaur came in and threw her in some lava. And I was like, what are you saying right now? Like, for someone that has watched this silly show for so long, that took the cake. But now the feeds are on. We're consuming all this stuff, trying to make sense of everything. I'm really enjoying it.
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Taryn
I personally can't imagine why you would be confused about that. But, yes, we are here. We are.
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Asia
What?
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Taryn
Still less than a week in since the premiere and only a few days into the feeds. But that does not mean that we can't make all kinds of judgments, fair and not about the season, the players, and everything that is happening here. So, first of all, Asia, I would love to get your thoughts, your general thoughts on the season. I feel like we haven't heard from you yet.
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Asia
Yeah, I'm soaking it in. Like, right now it feels like you showed up at a party where, like, one person invited you to, but there's, like, 200 people there. So you're, like, trying to feel it out. Is it. We're still in that first, like, 30 minutes of being at this party. We're trying to figure out, okay, where do I really want to, like, settle in for the night?
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Melissa
Who's.
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Asia
Who's cool? Who's talking about something that I'm interested in? I'm still just kind of wandering around, you know, I don't really know where I want to land, and that's how I feel with these people. Where it's kind of like, because they're all still commingling, you know, we have some names of alliances and stuff, but there's nothing, like, set in stone. And it's so hard to know how people truly feel about the first hoh because they're hoh. So you really don't know where people are. Like, I don't know where their heads really are. So I might argue that this is the hardest roundtable of the season because we're just like, hey, throwing things at the walls to see what sticks. But I'm enjoying it because it's big brother. But am I just like, oh, my gosh, this cast is amazing. They're incredible. They're top notch. I can't feel that way yet because I'm still getting to know these people.
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Taryn
Yes, it is, I think the hardest roundtable of the season. It's hardest to rank, to rate the players. That said, somebody did send me some, and I did not double check this math, but somebody sent me some math recently that actually said that our week one stock watch ratings exactly correlate to average placement on the season, meaning the higher the rating, the further their average placement is on the season through the last, you know, whatever. How many seasons we've done of this? Like, at least 10, right? Or close. Maybe not quite 10, actually, but so pretty good. There is one exception, and that's if they were given a one in week one, and that's primarily because there haven't been many ones given out in week one, and Vince was one of them making it to the final two kind of through that one. Kelly also was one of them last season, so the two of them really, like, messed with that one, but. But other than that, pretty good. Pretty good.
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Asia
How did Ashley do last? I mean, because that was a whole shower gate week one.
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Taryn
It was. It was. That is a good question. Let me. Let me dig into the historical record. I will back you on the answer to that. In the meantime, Melissa, how have your feelings on the season so far?
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Melissa
I feel like I'm excited about the season. It's always tough the first week, like, you know, because there's not much happening. It's a lot of just general conversations and trying to, like, glean whether or not they're going to be a good player just by how they do in a social setting versus how they're actually gaming just because most of the time, you know, it, we say, oh, you don't want to game too early. You don't want to go in too hard, too fast. So A lot of people kind of hold back that first week. And, you know, of course there's strategy, of course there's alliances being made and things like that, but you don't truly get into, like, the meat of the season until, like, midway through or even, like, maybe a few weeks in or something. But one week, it's. It's really hard to get a read on a lot of people. And not only that, but, you know, there's only so many conversations I can watch. I can't watch every single conversation every single day. And so I don't. I know, right? I wish.
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Asia
I.
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Melissa
You just kind of have to pick and choose which conversations are, like, interesting to you or who you want to learn more about, and you kind of follow those people along, but it's so hard because you just. You can't get to know everyone all at once. And so I feel like a lot of personalities are going to really come through, but we just don't know it yet. So I'm excited to see where it goes, but I am enjoying the feed so far, I'll say that.
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Taryn
All right, well, let's get into it then. There's plenty to get to. We have a survey that we send out every week. Make sure you fill it out if you want to have your voice heard. I do want to try to get the survey filled out prior to the podcast starting as much as possible this season. So make sure you get it in there if you want to get your vote in. But we ask all kinds of questions, including, you know, rank the favorite, the. The players from your favorite to your least favorite rating, the episodes, the feeds, the season, the HOA Train. I'm. I'm also now including a rating of production themselves, which we started doing last season, and all kinds of other fun stuff stuff. But. But I want to try to give a good, you know, sort of baseline level of. Of like, where things stand in the house as as much as possible. So. So in order to. To do that. Let me. Let me pull up the. The thing. I. I was just about to say
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Asia
I loved what you showed on the episode recap last night. That was, if crystal clear.
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Taryn
Let me see if I can bring that up again. I actually. Where did it go? Where did it go? Well, while I try to pull this up, because it's currently not working in the same way that it worked beautifully last night, we do have, of course, an hoh, and that is D D had nominated Mallory, Taylor and Yash for eviction. We've seen all of this in the episodes, but but what we have not seen is the. The veto situation. And that. That is. That is a quite interesting situation because somebody who was on the block went ahead and won the veto for the third time in a row. With the blockbuster in play, we have a veto winner that. That is, in fact, a nominee, and that veto winner is, in fact, Mallory. Yes, Mallory, of course, plans to use the veto on herself. Would be a bit silly if that were not the case. And so the question was, who's going to be the replacement for Mallory? And despite some indication that it could go one way, could go another way, who really knows? It really did land on Ashley as the replacement, primarily because she was part of the final grouping that De talked about. Basically, Dee had decided to pick one person from each group who competed to bring in the vets. Normally, I would say you could watch the roundtable and probably be fine without seeing the episodes, but there's a lot of context setting in these first few episodes that probably need to be seen. And. And ultimately the final grouping was Ashley and Barrett, who had failed the initial part of the competition to bring the vets in and therefore were part of their own, like, grouping of their own. And so obviously, Dee was not going to nominate Barrett because she is currently in a secret alliance with him. Therefore, Ashley did, in fact, become the replacement nominee just earlier today. So our final nominations are currently locked. Ashley, Mallory, and are. Sorry. Ashley, Taylor, and Yash. How do you feel about this, Asia?
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Asia
You know, it's interesting because I feel the way that it was painted on the episode, which I was hoping the episode was going to give us so much clarity because, you know, we were hearing what the reasoning was for these noms, but we weren't totally sure what the real reason was. And it just seemed like because these three were not a part of either the crossover or the red corner, it was just, you know, just easy to kind of throw them up. But I was wondering if, outside of that, like, were there other reasons? Like, was there a reason that even within these reasoning of these three groupings, why, like, let's say she picked, you know, Taylor over somebody else or Yash over somebody else? Like, we don't know.
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Taryn
Well, I think with. With Taylor becomes obvious. We. We kind of talked it through last night where it's like with Taylor, it's that she was in the group with Chuck and Haley and. And Drew. And so Chuck was safe from winning the competition. Drew is in the alliance, and Haley is in the other alliance.
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Asia
Yeah.
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Taryn
And so with Taylor, it sort of defaulted to Taylor. Then With. With Mallory. She was in the group with Rome and
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Asia
Geez, Lyric
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Taryn
was. Lyric in that group. I think she was potentially. And then the final person in that group was somebody. And Lala. Of course. Of course it was Mallory, Kamu, Lala. Rome. Rome was safe. Kamu was in the alliance. She didn't want to nominate Lala. And then in Jason's group, where Jason won, which was her group, it was, you know, himself. Yash. Melody.
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Asia
Yeah,
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Taryn
Melody, Lyric.
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Asia
Okay, so I feel like had like,
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Melissa
totally sane logic there where he was like, why nominate someone from your own group? Why not just nominate one? Like, say, I can't feel good about nominating someone who helped me get hoh, so I'm gonna go target one of the two people that didn't win. And I totally get. She doesn't want to nominate Barrett because he's her ally. But I feel like Ashley could have been an easy person to put up in this situation and be in the good graces of the people who were in her group. And then, you know, if there is a replacement nominee, say, okay, you know, now I have to move on and I'm going to put someone up from the group, but I don't want to. Like, why not Initially do seems as
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Taryn
though we missed some of it in the episode, but that they had agreed upon these nominations in their, like, coming together of the crossovers alliance thing. And primarily because I would assume that Yash was maybe even an early idea for a potential target, just somebody that they hadn't connected with. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that they came up with the idea of one from each group early on and decided on the names that then came from that, which all kind of lined up with something that worked. And then when Camus came up with the opposing argument, that was a decent opposing argument, which is like, you shouldn't nominate somebody from your own group. It was kind of a little too late. And that could also make some sense because if you say that you want to nominate somebody that is not from your initial group, then it has to be for sure either Barrett or Ashley. And then you have to defend why it's not Barrett it, which is a little more heat than you might want. Ultimately, they did have to do that, which they might have been able to see coming. But. But I kind of agree ultimately, like, you know, ideally, you don't want to nominate into your group, but if you say my group is safe, I'm gonna go into the. The Barrett, Ashley side of things. And then Mallory wins the veto. Now What? Right. Like you're maybe starting to get a little bit trapped. And in addition to that. Yes. Is is pointing out Ashley said that she did not want to or sorry that she did not want to nominate all three women as her three nominees. So she wanted to find a man to nominate and there weren't many men available that weren't already in some kind of alliance with her.
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Asia
Okay, that checks out. Yeah, it's just always like, okay, you, you don't ever have really strong reasons for these week one noms. And so I was just wondering, especially when it comes to thinking about these rating, you know, how okay, is she going to be going into week two? You know, I know she has these two alliances, but are people going to want to try to retaliate? But if everyone in the house sees this as like a fair way to go about it, then she's probably fine.
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Taryn
Yeah, I, I mean it seems to have worked out for her. Well, so far the main thing here is that Dee has pretty successfully pawned this off. Even the most fervently anti vet voices in the house in Jason and Lala right now are more concerned with Devin's and Angela than they are with Dee. Now this is likely to some degree an inevitability of her position. The fact that she is the HOH gives her a lot of leeway for this kind of thing. But, but we'll see what happens when she's not in power. She has made some moves here or there that could be a little risky. So it'll be interesting to see what happens especially if the cross not crossroads crossover alliance, sorry, crossovers alliance does not win power in the next round. So, so yes, I am, I am curious to see for sure. Let me see if I can pull this up. That's pretty close. It's pretty close to what I was looking at before. It's a little, a little bit off. But we're going to make do and I'm going to make this bigger on the screen, something like that. How's this, how's this for the audience if you're watching along visually? So I had kind of placed this last night in terms of like where people stood in general. Kamu, Haley and Chuck here at the top. They are in the red corner alliance. They are in that alliance with Dee and Devins and they have since by the way, recruited Angela to their alliance. But Angela is supposed to not know about Dee and Evans to some degree. Of course we know. The reality is that Angela is actually with De and Devins alongside Drew and Barrett in the crossovers alliance, so that's going pretty well for them. Drew has Melody pretty closely linked to him. They've got a bit of a like final two good relationship going on. Barrett has since started to try to recruit Mallory. Drew is working on his relation with his relationship with Mallory. So Mallory is becoming more and more kind of inundated into this kind of crew. Though she also has a good working relationship with Angela and she still does want to target D if she can help it. But luckily with all of these other connections, luckily for D, I would say she's being pointed more so at Haley, Camus, Chuck and those people. So that's kind of where that's going. Ashley has been renamed and actually does not have much support. She's had a little bit of support from people like Melody, but not much as Melody and Mallory and Lyric are already talking about like maybe we keep Taylor over her. We're not entirely sure. Then we have this grouping here. Rome Jason Latrice AKA Lala. This is Mama's Angels. Lyric, of course, in a showmance with Rome is pretty closely attached. Mallory still does have a relationship with Lyric, as does Melody. Lala has Taylor pretty close to her and Yash thinks that he kind of fits into this group, but he doesn't really and he remains a pretty big target in the house. With the all new Dynasty Blueprint in ea Sports College Football 27, you can build your program by earning Dynasty points to spend on nil staff and more. But the fun doesn't end at graduation with the EA Sports MVP Bundle. Get College Football 27 Madden NFL 27 Plus Deluxe Edition rewards in both games make your rise with the MVP Bundle available now. The AT rated E for everyone with mild lyrics easier interact and in game purchases. Includes random items, conditions and restrictions applied. See the link for more info. This episode is brought to you by Perfect Bistro Cat Food Cats, this ad is for you. Has your human ever called you picky? Persnickety, choosy? If so, Perfect Bistro Cat Food is for you. With ingredients like wild caught tuna and pasture raised lamb, tantalizing textures and delectable flavors that meet even the most discerning cat standards. You're not picky, you're just perfectionists. Perfect Bistro Mealtime Perfection for every cat. Have your human. Visit perfectbistro.com
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Melissa
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Asia
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Melissa
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Asia
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Taryn
Jason thinks he's recruited Drew and Melody into this, like Jester, whatever it's called, alliance. But the reality is that Drew has already ratted them out and this is going to be in tomorrow's update to Devin's D, Angela, etc, so that's not going to work out well for Jason and that's the general idea of things.
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Melissa
Yep.
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Asia
A lot going on that can actually be completely shattered going into Jesters is the name.
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Taryn
Thank you, Jester.
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Melissa
Something.
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Taryn
In terms of the vote, we are still honestly a bit early. There's been contrasting opinions on whether Yash should go. Yash leaving if he stays in the block is probably the most consensus pick right now. There's been a bit of movement more and more toward Ashley leaving over Taylor, but it's not like a hundred percent. People do keep changing their minds here and there, but I do think that it's kind of looking like Yash, Ashley and then Taylor safe in terms of the target priority. So we will see what happens there. But. But yeah, it's a very strong structure for the crossovers. They are very well connected and insulated. What I will say is I mentioned this morning, Angela actually doesn't love Drew. She doesn't love Drew. He's. He's a little. He reminds her a little too much of Quinn. He's. He's young. He doesn't have the greatest bedside manner. He had a conversation with D earlier today that was just, it was pretty awkward. They just kept like not communicating well. Stuff like him asking her how she feels about Haley. She's like, I don't like Haley. And he goes, oh, really? Why? And she explains she doesn't like Haley. She goes, but so you like Haley? And he goes, no, I hate Haley too. I feel the same way. She's like, oh, well, it just felt like, why didn't you say so? He's, oh, I didn't want to say it before you said, I, you know, I don't know how you felt about her. She's like, you can tell me, whatever. And they kept kind of going back and forth like that. When they talked about the vote with Taylor, he's. He kept like doing the same thing where he asks her why she holds an opinion in a way that makes it seem like he doesn't hold that opinion. And then after she gives him the reason, he replies with, oh, that's how I feel too. So, you know, a little bit of this is Drew's fault. But Angela has already talked with D about not really super trusting Drew. When Drew went and ratted everything Jason said out to Angela and Devins this morning, Angela was really hurt because Jason dropped a lot of stuff about how he fake cried to Angela and then went to the camera and was like, oh, oh. And Angela was pissed. She was like, that Jason, he really got me. No, that was not a low budget movie. And she was really hurt, really hurt by this because she thought she had a really good relationship to Jason. And ultimately being the deliverer of bad news, like, that is not the best place to be. Angela later expressed some doubt over Drew's information to Devins and. And that's, I think, because she doesn't love Drew, and it was information she didn't want to believe. We'll sort of see where that goes. She said part of why she felt some doubt was that he. She felt like Drew told D a different story. But I think that's primarily because Drew just didn't have much of a chance to give the all of the information. And Devin's in that conversation as well as a brief one seems to be like, I don't think true would make that up, but I guess let's talk to D. We'll see what happens with that. But either way, so more potentially brewing with Angela and Jason. Jason already, by the way, talking about how he's feeling a different energy from Angela today. So watch out for that.
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Melissa
Well, it's. It's information. Everyone says information is currency. And I feel like I don't think it's a great move for Drew to just be like, hey, I'm just gonna tell them, like, something that's a little hurtful to not just a game thing. It's more just like, oh, yeah, he was making fun of you when you thought you were comforting him. Like, that's not really game related. It just kind of makes you feel like, used or feel bad or feel icky. And I feel like that's just not useful information in this moment. Like, maybe if they were trying to figure out a replacement nominee. And it's like, okay, well, who should we put up? And then it's like, well, I actually know that Jason was doing, you know, this, that, and the other thing, and he's not really into you. It's. I've been loving. Let me just preface with I've been Loving what Drew has been doing in the house. And I really. I actually find him very fun to watch. And so, like, this isn't necessarily a knock on Drew's gameplay as a whole, but it just feels like you said, like, you know, if you're delivering information that's bad, you still think about the person who told you that information, and especially if it's information you don't want to believe, you're kind of like, well, can I trust this person now? It kind of brings into doubt whether or not you can trust this person. Is this person just saying this information make you feel bad? Like, what is going on here? So it just feels like I don't know if that. And also it's Angela. Like, I don't know if that's the right person to give, like, emotional information like that, too. So it's. It's kind of a tough spot, and I hope it doesn't come back to bite Drew.
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Asia
See, that's the thing. I do love that he immediately told her, only because in that situation of, okay, we start debating who's going to go up in the future, and then that's an opportunity to drop that. Then you said, and then Angela is the type of person to be like, why would you hold on to something like that? You should have told me. So now I'm. Now I obsess of you because you knew that that was. That would be information that I wouldn't like, and we're supposed to be aligned. But I. I feel like this is just brewing, like, we are going to get an Angela versus Jason, and Jason is not Matt. So I am so curious how this is going to play out, because he's not going to back down. It's going to be a situation where I think that's where lines are going to be drawn, and I think it's going to happen sooner rather than later. And I. I think right now it's only not happening because Jason is safe. And it's like, okay, let these things play out. We'll see who gets hoh. But I. I don't think Angela is going to be able to hold her tongue past, like, the next hoh. And so I'm really interested to see that that'll be the drama Dee has been waiting for.
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Taryn
Yeah, it's interesting. And. And the question of, like, what to do is. Is pretty interesting for Drew here. Obviously, he does need to tell her, but. But it's tricky to find the. The time in the place that suits him the best. The fact that Angela might have a Strong emotional reaction because it's emotional information is bad for him in general. Even if Angela takes it in and is appreciative, the fact that Angela is already acting different around Jason is bad for Drew in terms of keeping his thought hidden. The fact that Jason has been talking about Angela for days, and then the second he tells Drew, all of a sudden Angela seems to know that something is up. Could really not only blow up Drew's spot, but really, like, the entire chain of connections to uncover that entire alliance. So this is a very tricky situation to be in, and you really ideally have to, like, drop it in the most kind of controlled environment. And so I think that Drew had a lot of urgency to get to Devin's quickly because the information that Drew had about Jason for Devins was not only that he. That Jason is targeting Devins, but. But that Jason plans to cook him some, like, slop cupcakes for his. His. His children's birthday daughter treats. And. And, like, is doing so in a game way to try to, like, trick Devins into thinking that he's. He's with him. And he's like, I wanted to tell you beforehand, so you knew, Like, I wasn't I making it up? Like, I have this information that he's gonna do this. And to be fair to Drew as well, like, he has very specific information about, like, the conversation Jason had with Angela. He wouldn't know the details about what Jason told Angela and. And then the turning of the camera unless Jason told him about that conversation, which Angela probably should realize. But maybe in the moment, again, it's kind of just hoping it's not true. But the main thing here is that maybe he does need to kind of, like, just wait a little bit. Maybe wait toward, like, the end of the night, like, hey, this is big information I have to drop on you. And, you know, it was also a thing that happened in the hot tub room. So there were people kind of coming in and out, and he couldn't stay there long, so he just kind of dropped it on them and then left. And, you know, ideally, you want to stick around to kind of, like, soften the emotional blow as much as possible. It's a tricky spot in general, and I think it's interesting to kind of examine what. What are the ways to try to prevent something like this from happening if something does end up going wrong?
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Melissa
But.
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Taryn
But ultimately, you know, we are where we are with it, and we'll see if. If the drama does end up coming.
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Melissa
It's so tough because it's also like, it's like, on the one hand, it's very important to tell your allies everything that's important for them to know and be very open with them and blah, blah, blah. But on the other hand, it's, like, very important that when people give you information, you keep that information for yourself in certain moments, because that's. I mean, if somebody trusts you enough to give you information, like, you want to be able to, like, show that their trust was founded by keeping that information. And if Jason finds out that Drew is the one who's sharing all this information, I mean, Jason's automatically going to be like, okay, yeah, nope, can't trust that guy. So I feel like it's a. It's a very strange balance that you have to walk where it's like, I want to keep their trust by keeping the information and at the same time, giving certain information to my allies so that they know that I'm trustworthy. And so it's just. It's like how much goes through the. The sieve or whatever, you know, it's like, do you let it all go through? And everything that you get told, you tell directly to your allies so that you can come across as trustworthy or you keep some information to yourself and potentially have your allies be like, hey, why didn't you tell me this? So it's. It's very. It's a very hard balance.
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Taryn
It would be very funny if Angela was reminded of Quinn with Drew, and then Drew got in trouble for sharing information with allies he was genuinely super loyal to.
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Asia
Right.
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Taryn
Because. Yeah, that is. That is pretty Quinn of him. All right, before we get to the survey stuff, Melissa, anything you wanted to. Anything you wanted to chat about?
- [35:34]
Melissa
You know, I will say. I mean, we can talk about this when we talk about the players, but I just will say that I have been. There have been certain people that I've been very impressed with and. Or people that I wasn't necessarily sure of in the draft or, you know, previously. And now I'm kind of feeling very interested in them or a lot better about them. I feel like, first of all, we already discussed this with Drew. I am enjoying watching Drew on the feeds, and he. I feel like he's a fun and exciting character and also does a better job in conversations than I was anticipating. I was worried that he was going to kind of just be this showboaty, like, hey, everyone, look at me kind of guy, but I feel like he can connect really well with Barrett, and I really like to see their conversations together, and it seems like, people want to work with Drew and aren't. You know, in the premiere episode, when Melody was annoyed with him, I was like, oh, is this going to be, like, the. You know, the through line is that Drew's just this annoying guy that no one wants to talk to you, and it turns out that's not the case. I think he's doing a really great job of kind of like, acting like a little brother to people that would appreciate that, like, Rome or whatever, and then acting like a confident to Barrett and like, hey, we're just. We're in this together. We think the same way. And then also kind of, you know, being a good ally with, like, the D and Angela, Devin's group, it just. I feel like he's doing a very good job. The other person I've really been appreciating is Taylor. I've been really enjoying her. I find her really fun to watch on the feeds. I think her conversations are great. She's funny, and I've been really enjoying her. It's hard to kind of see. It's hard to know, like, how she'll play in the game because she's kind of playing in a bad spot right now. So it's like she's on the block, you know, she's tired, whatever. So it's like she's not doing her. She's not in her best state. But I still am really enjoying her, and then I'm really enjoying Barrett. I was worried that he might come across as, like, oh, gosh, the super fan, the annoying super fan archetype that we always see, and that's not him at all. I feel like he's very laid back and very fun and very, like, you know, has good conversations. It seems like a very chill guy, so. And especially, I mean, obviously, the cam talks. I love that sort of thing. And it seems like he's really got the game, like, in his head, so he knows what's going on in the house. And so I have been really liking all these characters a lot, so. Well, characters, people, whatever.
- [38:00]
Taryn
Yes. Asia, how about you? Any. Any thoughts?
- [38:04]
Asia
Well, since you're so fresh off of watching every episode of Love Island, I feel like you're dying to talk about the showmances. Am I wrong, Terrence?
- [38:15]
Melissa
Like, I've actually been loving the showman,
- [38:18]
Taryn
you know?
- [38:20]
Asia
Hey, I mean, do we have one on the horizon with D and Barrett, or is that.
- [38:26]
Melissa
I was wondering. I was like, whoa. I saw people talking about that, and I was like, is that happening?
- [38:33]
Taryn
I think that it's still early days to be. To be forecasting that one personally. But it was funny in his cam
- [38:42]
Melissa
talk when he was like, I cannot believe I'm in a fight. Flirt Mance with D from Survivor. So funny.
- [38:51]
Taryn
Lyric and Rome are basically already, like, you know, married in the. In the house. Like, they.
- [39:00]
Melissa
She said.
- [39:01]
Asia
She said, like, oh, I can't. Like, why can't we just get out of here and get, like, hurry to get to know each other? And I'm like, so strange. Girl, you're here to play the game.
- [39:11]
Melissa
Like, I get it.
- [39:12]
Taryn
On your bingo card you have. I'm the real winner because of X. Expect it from one of the two of them if they get evicted. Like, I'm the real winner because I found Lyric and.
- [39:25]
Asia
Or Rome. All right. Yeah. I mean, they are. I would say that they are like an attractive couple together, but I feel like they've completely lost the plot, so it'll be very interesting to see. Okay, is this gonna be something that's gonna last? Like, are they the next showmance that's gonna last outside of this house or. Or is one of them going to go out next week or the next week, and then we're going to have to hear about how much the other misses the other one because they never got to see any other side of their relationship besides this honeymoon stage that they're in.
- [40:03]
Taryn
Well, let's see, you know, in. In Love island style. Let's. Let's take a look at, like, you know, what's the popularity like for these people? You know, who's. Who's the most popular in this house? Are Rome and Lyric popular? I'm curious to know.
- [40:25]
Asia
Question for sure.
- [40:28]
Melissa
Like, it's an interesting question. Who's number one? Because I feel like it's got to go to a vet because. Or not a vet. Whatever. They're not bad.
- [40:35]
Asia
An icon.
- [40:36]
Melissa
Yeah, an icon.
- [40:37]
Asia
Come on.
- [40:38]
Melissa
Yeah. It has to go to one of them, probably. I bet it's probably D because she's getting a lot. She's having a lot of airtime, screen time, whatever, because of the HOH thing. And people are watching her a lot because of that, and she's doing a good job. And. Oh, yeah, she had a cam talk where she was like, I can't believe people are buying that. That they think I'm all dumb. And I like, I'm. So. I have to go be fake to them because I don't want to have to talk to these people, like, you know, whatever. And I thought that was pretty. It's fun to See stuff like that. Because it's like a lot of people are speculating, like, oh, is she actually with Kamu and Haley? Like, what's going on here? I can't believe it. I wouldn't expect D to be with these people. And then she goes and, like, clarifies in the cam talk, like, yet, no, I'm not. So I feel like that was fun. Yeah.
- [41:29]
Asia
And I feel like we. We got that context, too. And she released a video after already being in the house about the fact that she watched two seasons of Big Brother.
- [41:39]
Melissa
Yeah.
- [41:39]
Asia
Oh, she has. You know, she knows. She knows how the game works. But we kind of.
- [41:44]
Melissa
It's funny. It's funny because people were saying, like, oh, I'm sure she did her homework. And I'm like, okay, two seasons is, like, not really doing your homework, but okay. Like, that's like, nothing. But at least it's not. It's like, you get. You. Yeah, fine. Better than totally nothing.
- [41:57]
Asia
But, you know, I mean, it's triple the amount of episodes as Survivor, so, like, I think it's a little bit harder to do the homework. It's like 30 plus episodes.
- [42:08]
Melissa
Yeah, no, there's a lot.
- [42:11]
Taryn
All right, Asia, what's your. Is your. What's your official guess? You also. Indeed.
- [42:14]
Asia
I'm just gonna. I mean, I'm gonna. I'll give it a different answer. I'll say Angela shouldn't have gone.
- [42:20]
Taryn
A different answer. It is, in fact, D, number one by a margin, at least. Not like a huge one, but. But. But out there in front is D. But who's number two?
- [42:37]
Melissa
That's tough. I. I think, like, maybe Devin's or maybe if we're going into newbies, like, maybe Barrett. I feel like a lot of people are really liking him, but probably Devin's because he's. He's more well known.
- [42:57]
Taryn
Here's what I. Here's what I think we should do. I think I'm going to give you a yes or no question. Do you think. Because it's been theorized by the chat. Do you think that the top five players are all five crossovers?
- [43:12]
Melissa
Yes.
- [43:13]
Asia
Oh, Barrett, Drew. Yes,
- [43:18]
Taryn
you are correct.
- [43:20]
Melissa
Yeah.
- [43:22]
Taryn
With that in mind. 3, 4, and 5.
- [43:28]
Melissa
Oh, I think it's. I think it's Devin's Angela Barrett Drew or something. No, you know what? I'm not going to do that because. No. Taryn's face is making me think I should keep that answer. Okay, I'll keep that answer.
- [43:50]
Asia
I'll go. Angela Devins. Drew Barrett.
- [43:56]
Taryn
Angela Devins. Drew Barrett. Neither of you were quite there.
- [44:03]
Melissa
Okay, wait, let me do my other answer that I was going to say. I was going to say Devin's Angela or no, sorry, Devin's Barrett. Angela. Drew.
- [44:15]
Taryn
That one is closer, but you've swapped two, I believe there's. It is Angela in second place?
- [44:24]
Melissa
Okay.
- [44:26]
Taryn
Then by the smallest of hairs of a margin, Barrett in front of Devin's and then Drew.
- [44:37]
Asia
Okay, so I had a few, but yeah.
- [44:40]
Melissa
No. Okay. I just didn't. I wasn't sure about Angela just because I know that, like, I mean, obviously, like the people who are taking this survey are not going to be like the casuals, but I know that there are some people who are not casuals who don't like her. So that's why I was thinking, like, maybe.
- [44:57]
Taryn
So then we have the rest of the cast and let me tell you, it's a massive margin. It's a very large margin. It is the five up in front and then a huge section of people behind. And I do have an image I can try to show you to illustrate this. Give me one moment here. Do you see this?
- [45:34]
Asia
If I was making it bigger, Let
- [45:36]
Taryn
me make it bigger. This is.
- [45:41]
Melissa
Oh, wow. That's a huge drop.
- [45:43]
Taryn
This is like visualized where they fall on the list.
- [45:48]
Melissa
I don't like Yash. I don't. I didn't realize that.
- [45:53]
Asia
I feel like a lot of that is skewed from the research from his, like, social media.
- [45:59]
Melissa
Oh, does he? Okay. Yeah.
- [46:01]
Asia
I mean, it's just like the, the cringy, like Tick Tock.
- [46:06]
Melissa
I didn't watch anyone's cringy Tick Tocks. I'm not on Tick Tock. So I, I'm, I'm behind on that. Okay. Because in the house, I feel like he's like, fine. Honestly, Rome in the house is kind of a fun character, aside from the showmance thing, but only because, like, I just don't really like watching that. But unless I do like it, then I do like it. But, but in this situation, I don't. I'm very fickle with that. I'm surprised. Taylor so low. I've been enjoying watching her.
- [46:35]
Taryn
Yeah. I mean, so, so basically what you can see here is that Ashley is in sixth place, a large way behind the, the, the crossovers. But, but in sixth place there, followed by Jason in seventh place and then Lala in eighth and then Mallory in ninth. They serve as a little mini group in between the crossovers and the next group of players. The next group consists of Mallory in 10th, Rome in 11th, Taylor in 12th and Lyric in 13th place, all grouped up together, those four. And then trailing behind one by one is Chuck, Kamu, Yash, and finally, Haley in last place. There you go.
- [47:38]
Melissa
I feel like. Yeah, okay. I. I could see why Yash does
- [47:43]
Taryn
surprise me a little bit as well. I think that, like, you know, he's certainly not looking like he's gonna necessarily be spending a lot of time in the house potentially. But, you know, I think he's been fine overall. But, yes, pretty. Pretty strong. I'm expecting this to change as well. I think there's a lot of potential movement around this list, so I'm curious to see where it ends up.
- [48:11]
Asia
Right. People might start shifting a little bit on the crossovers, especially with this. Like, we don't know if this is going to come back to bite Drew, so we don't know how solid the crossovers are.
- [48:26]
Melissa
Yeah, I feel like we always get these alliances in the beginning, and then they're just gone by, like, three weeks from now. We're gonna be like, wait, what alliance? So, you know, I mean, some of these will stay but.
- [48:38]
Taryn
Or never know days and dominates, and they start falling down the list because of that.
- [48:44]
Asia
Right?
- [48:44]
Melissa
Yes, true.
- [48:46]
Taryn
Yes.
- [48:47]
Melissa
So was that. What was that alliance and the most recent all Stars that we were just like, this is never gonna last. And then it dominated the committee. The committee. We were like, I don't think the
- [48:58]
Taryn
committee topped the popularity charts from the start.
- [49:00]
Melissa
No, true. That did not. But it certainly wasn't one to stick around.
- [49:07]
Taryn
Well, let's move on then to the episode rating ratings. I should say it's one rating for the episodes in general. Let me pull up the spreadsheet. I'm working on some visuals in general, but. But right now, we still got what we've got. Here's the big chart. It's the. The episodes for all the seasons that we've talked about since we've been asking this question. And. And so we're gonna add some. Some data to this. What were the episodes rated this week? Well, historically, the week one episodes have been neutral to good, generally, aside from Big Brother 24, with the highest being last season, which had a 7.3. And I can tell you that this season mostly followed suit with a 7.1.
- [50:04]
Asia
Okay. I. And I think.
- [50:06]
Melissa
Oh, go ahead.
- [50:07]
Asia
I think what helped that for sure is people actually enjoying Unlocked the fact that it was a little bit, you know, and, like, we got to see footage we hadn't seen wasn't a whole lot of filler and, like, unnecessary stuff. So that. That Makes sense.
- [50:25]
Melissa
It's very funny to me how. And this tracks is like the middle hunk of the season is the most exciting and the most, like the highest rated because that's where like the meat of the season is, I feel. And then it's like the beginning. It's like fun and games, you know, we're just getting to know people, whatever. A little, like little dull, whatever. Middle is like, oh, okay, now everyone's. We know everybody. Everyone's playing really hard. There's a lot of things that are happening, double evictions, etc, and then by the end it's like, okay, it kind of peters out. But that. That totally makes sense.
- [51:01]
Taryn
Then we have the feeds, which are generally rated much higher than the episodes, but have a heavy skew toward bad by the end of the season, as you can see. But week one of the feeds are usually some of the highest rated things in general, the highest rated week of feeds ever, according to these ratings. Big Brother 25's week one with Big Brother 26's week one also very high in the ratings. The Only negative week one of feeds was again, Big Brother 24, which had a bit of a rough start. Can this season follow suits? Yeah, Generally it's a 7.3 for the feeds this week, falling pretty much in line with last season's 7.5. Nothing too, too out there. It falls behind Big Brother 26, 25 and 23's ratings, which are all in the eights or nines, but it is ahead of Big Brother 22 and 21, which both were in the sixes, which.
- [52:06]
Melissa
Which seasons gave us like night one feeds and which did not. I feel like that's an interesting thing to think about.
- [52:14]
Taryn
That is interesting. 22 gave us night one feeds, right? Yeah, I think so.
- [52:22]
Melissa
I don't. I don't remember.
- [52:27]
Taryn
I'm actually struggling. 21 definitely did not. 24 did, and so I assume 23 did as well. And then 25. 25 did too. So it's 22 to 25, I think, think.
- [52:42]
Melissa
Okay.
- [52:43]
Asia
Okay.
- [52:43]
Melissa
Wow. 25 is a 9.2. What happened?
- [52:49]
Asia
I think it was just getting to watch siree.
- [52:51]
Melissa
Yeah, everyone's like, yeah, so funny.
- [52:56]
Taryn
All right. And then the season as a whole so far once again, it usually starts relatively high and then starts to drop over time. That is the general trend. Although we did see a bit of a recovery slash stabilization for Big Brother 26 of all seasons, which is a strange one because it's. A lot of people fell off at the end of that season, but that's also maybe why I think the number of votes for BB26 diminished pretty severely toward the end of that season. And maybe there's a bit of a survivorship bias there, but the season usually starts pretty well. Last season started with a 7.4, and this season followed suit exactly a 7.4. So there you go.
- [53:48]
Melissa
Makes sense. I feel like it's. It's so early. It's so hard to know, like, whether or not it's good. I feel like everyone. I mean, aside from obviously, like, big. Big Brother 24 and Big Brother 21, like, we're all just excited that it's back. And so it's hard to be like, yeah, no, I'm not feeling it unless something, like, really bad is happening. And so at this point, it's kind of like, yeah, I'm just excited for Big Brother. I don't know. We'll see what happens. And so I would rate it high.
- [54:14]
Asia
Yeah, I don't think there's anything that's really making people be like, ugh, this. I'm not. I'm not with this. But once you get to week two, week three, and let's say we get, like, week two, Devin's hoh, Week three D. HOH Week four, Angela hoh, then people might start to be like, okay, we're seeing the same thing. Let's. Let's change it up a little bit. But the fact that we're getting to see people make alliances, make silly mistakes, tell people information they're not supposed to, showmance is already happening. I feel like there's a lot going on, so there's a lot for us to be entertained by.
- [54:52]
Taryn
Yeah, some interesting numbers here as well. Season 24 again, starts very low and actually improves basically over the course of the season, for the most part. Season 27, I'm seeing a lot of people concerned about that one, I think would have been a strong finish if not for the White Locust, which dramatically dropped the rating to a from a 6.7 to a 2.7 into week nine. It did recover strong, but never was able to get back up to, like, good numbers. So some interesting stuff there as well. Then finally, HOH reigns. Now, this one is. Is always an interesting one. We have D now taking the helm of Big Brother 28. Compared to. We haven't been asking this question for very long, so we don't have much to compare to, but interestingly enough, we do have Angela to compare to. So Vince was a 2.7, Riley a 4.1. Interestingly. Interestingly, enough. Angela had the highest HOH rating at a 4.9, which is, you know, still not super high, but 4.9. I can quickly spoil to you that D is going to throw this entire leveling system.
- [56:12]
Asia
Yeah, I think she's probably above a five.
- [56:16]
Taryn
What would you guys rate D's HOH?
- [56:19]
Asia
It says seven.
- [56:20]
Melissa
Yeah, I was gonna say a seven.
- [56:22]
Taryn
Well, D received an 8.4.
- [56:27]
Melissa
Wow.
- [56:29]
Asia
Okay.
- [56:30]
Taryn
Actually, if I quickly scan this list here, that is the highest HOH rating ever.
- [56:39]
Melissa
Oh, my God.
- [56:40]
Taryn
Since we've been asking this question, it
- [56:42]
Melissa
is a little biased. I mean, but it's also a very good week. I mean, first HOHs, I feel like, well, number one, they set the tone of the season, and number two, they can go crazy because there's really no reason to nominate people yet. So it's kind of hard because you kind of just have to pick people. But I feel like D is doing a very good job of, like, walking that line of, like, okay, I'm going to pick someone with not really a reason, but also give, like, a sort of generic reason that works for people and not really piss too many people off. And getting into a major alliance during this time. I mean, when you're week one hoh, you should be setting yourself up for a good rest of the show. And I feel like a lot of the recent HOH we've had for first hoh, like, are not doing that. So this is, I mean, much better than we have seen in the past few seasons. So this is definitely. I can see why it's an 8.4.
- [57:42]
Taryn
Yeah. And of course, again, worth pointing out, we haven't been asking this question for many seasons, and two of the four seasons we've been asking the. These questions for have been historically bad HOH rain seasons with the blockbuster in play and. And just consistently poor decision making happening all the time. I think that there's a lot of, like, whoa, somebody's actually playing an HOH well, and it's week one, which means it's super powerful and it's a vet and so on and so forth. And so all that combined has given D quite a high rating. I don't quite have a chart set up for the production rating yet because there's barely any data for it, but the audience gave production a 6.7 out of 10 this week. Yeah, not bad.
- [58:33]
Asia
Okay.
- [58:34]
Melissa
Yeah, I feel like production's doing fine. You know, I've already discussed at length the velociraptor Rachel thing, so I'm not going to go into it, but yeah, that would be my reason for rating production a bit lower, but, you know, otherwise, you know, I've been fine with it.
- [58:52]
Asia
Yeah, I think production is at their best when they let the players play. So I feel like we. Last night's episode, what. Got to focus on what the players actually wanted to do without focusing on any major twists or anything, so that I could see why that is that rating.
- [59:13]
Taryn
Finally, the last couple of questions I asked. Is D choosing the right replacement nominee? Of course. That being Ashley. This survey went out just before the veto ceremony happened. I thought it was locked enough that we could probably just put it in. And 74% of the audience agrees with the decision to put Ashley on the block. 26% think should have been someone else.
- [59:41]
Melissa
I mean, I think it makes sense. I think it probably would have made more sense to start with Ashley as a nominee and then replace it with someone from your team being like, you know, look, now I have to pick someone from my team. But, you know, I think overall the way that it played out is kind of the way it has to be. I don't necessarily think it's like a very strong nominee, but we also don't really know, like, who are the strong players yet. So it's fine.
- [60:12]
Taryn
He is in a really strong position, and that is the only position where making, like, lukewarm moves makes any amount of sense. And if you're wrong about being in a strong position, then it's disastrous. But D is in a strong position and she's right about being in a strong position. And she's done very well to. To keep heat off of herself. This follows the logic. It doesn't make anybody upset. It doesn't tip her cards in any way. I do think ultimately this is a pretty decent shout for her, though. I don't think they should want Ashley to leave necessarily. I do think that despite the fact that Taylor has been pretty okay with D as nhoh that nominated her, I do think that Taylor is much more closely aligned with people who are more dangerous to D and the vets in general, meaning lala. And subsequently, because of that, Rome and Jason and. And Ashley is more of like a free agent wild card that is more attached to players that they do have influen influence over, like Mallory and Melody. So we'll see about that. Obviously, Yash remains the primary target in general anyway and also the primary target for the audience. 75 of the audience would prefer to see Yash be evicted over Taylor and Ashley. Fifteen say Taylor, roughly 10% say Ashley. And this is Just who they want to be evicted, not who they think should be evicted.
- [61:52]
Asia
Yeah, it'll be interesting going into the blockbuster because I do think that Yash probably thinks he has it in the bag. He was the one preseason. Right. Just like, oh, give me the comps that I can just win at. Don't do so. I feel like these really could be anything. So if Yash is on the block after the blockbuster, I think he is. He, he probably is the one going home. But yeah, I guess so. Are you saying if you think it's Taylor and Ashley that it would be in their best interest to vote out Taylor?
- [62:27]
Taryn
I think probably the, the crossovers have a rooting interest in probably keeping. I don't think it's a big deal either way. I think that like marginally Taylor is a more dangerous player in general. I think that she's more capable in general and on top of that she is more connected to players like Jason and Lala who are obviously the biggest threats to the crossovers. So that's part of why I think that if it were to be between the two of them, I would personally lean toward keeping Ashley. But, but I don't think it's a, like I said, necessarily a huge deal. But they do need to make sure they're putting work in with Ashley if, or sorry with Taylor if they plan to keep her because like I said, she's. I think it's just going to be pulled further and further into the world of Lala and Jason and that's very bad for them.
- [63:22]
Asia
Yeah, I think we'll see a brand new Taylor if she stays after this week because I feel like all I've seen is her being so hungry. But once she is not a have not anymore and she's able to sleep in a proper bed, I will be very interested to see like where she end in the house.
- [63:44]
Melissa
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- [65:26]
Taryn
All right, are we ready to rate the players?
- [65:31]
Asia
Let's do it.
- [65:32]
Taryn
Let's do it. This is, of course, the portion of the podcast where we rate the players from 1 to 10 based on how well we think they're doing in the game. I will give a number, Melissa will give a number, Asia will give a number, and then the audience will have collectively given a number as well. And so this is a number out of 10. This is based on whatever criteria you really want, as long as it's, it's game focused is kind of the idea. And generally I think what we try to go for is something along the lines of like how well they did this week, just based on our own personal judgment. So there can be some adjustments up or down. It doesn't have to be that like, oh, this person's in a great position, therefore they have to have a great rating. If we're like, yeah, but they made a dumb decision and got lucky, then we can still rate them lower. Short term safety, how likely are they to be evicted? If somebody's like a huge target moving forward, then they might be lower on the scale. And then long term prospects, how likely are they to ultimately win the game? This one's probably a bit less important now than it will be later, but those are the things that I, at least I like to think about when I make the ratings. But they're also just kind of arbitrary and reductive and they don't really matter. So please don't worry about it too much. Here is the board. We have so many people, a lot of people to get to. So we're gonna try our best to, to, to get through as much of it as we can. And we're gonna start with Angela, who knew Angela had it in her really actually doing pretty well. Honestly, my biggest concern with Angela is her concern with Drew. I think that that is a potential issue for her. I think that outside of that, though, she is very well positioned in this game. She is not the most pressing threat of the vets. She's, like, locked in with the crossovers. She's being recruited by the red corner, and, you know, her biggest op is Lala, which is not ideal, but. But, you know, I think it's going to be tough to get Angela out if she's going to be. If she's going to have to be nominated next to either people from the red corner or even people from the Crossroads who are all bigger threats than her. Angela is just sticking around for a while, and there's, I don't think, any real doubt about that. In addition to that, I think this time around, it's not like, you know, her reputation, I think, does weigh her down, but she's building a new reputation with these house guests, and I think that means she absolutely could win a jury vote, at least right now, given the way that things are going and could go for her in the future. So don't count Angela out. I'm going to give Angela, and I'm probably going to be pretty generous in general with the Crossroads because they're doing very well. And so this might come off as a lot given the ratings that we're used to seeing the last few seasons, but I think. Think I'm gonna give Angela. Oh, I was gonna give her an 8, but I'm not gonna give her an 8. 7. Because just because of this Drew thing. Because I don't think it's necessary. I think that it's. It's not only like a potential weakness in the crossovers, but I do also think that. That it's like she's spreading it to D as well. And then on top of that, if Jason starts to catch on that she's acting different and it gets Drew exposed and it. Like, there's a. There's some slight cracks here that I feel like the other players, like Devins and D are a little more on top of. So I'm gonna give Angela seven.
- [69:28]
Melissa
Yeah, seven for me as well. Honestly, I've been impressed with her, but I am. I'm always worried with Angela because we know what she's capable of and. And how her paranoia can get the best of her. And I'm worried about this whole Jason thing. She can't seem to, you know, hide her emotions. And so I'm worried that, like, I mean, Jason's already thinking that she is acting differently towards him, and so I. I don't think she's going to be able to just, like, keep this information to herself and keep it in her back pocket of, like, oh, I can't trust him. She's going to. Something's going to happen. So, yeah, seven for me, but we'll see.
- [70:06]
Taryn
Yeah.
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Asia
The way I look at these people right now is everybody's a five and then evaluate from there. Do I go down? Do I go up? And then with Angela, I agree with all your points, and I think that I was leaning towards pushing her further up to an 8, but my fear is even less Drew and more Jason, that Jason is so locked in on Angela. So instead of. Of, you know, getting this information from Drew and Angela deciding, okay, I'm gonna put it. Put that in my back pocket and move forward, she's deciding to. All right, I have this in my mind, and now I am shifting how I move around Jason, which is. Is going to be a thing. We know it. There's no way this fades away. It evaporates. It's going to be a thing. So I'm also giving Angela seven.
- [70:52]
Taryn
There you go. Well, that's going to be straight sevens across the board because the audience also gave Angela a seven. There you go. I'm actually. I'm curious. I'm gonna try to check quickly here. While I check this, I'm gonna. I'm curious as to what Angela. What kind of ratings Angela got across?
- [71:15]
Melissa
Like, the highest she ever got.
- [71:18]
Taryn
A seven at all is the highest Angela has ever gotten. The highest Angela ever got in season 26. Six was. And this is an any individual rating? A five.
- [71:32]
Asia
Wow.
- [71:34]
Taryn
By two. Good for her with all four ratings. Yes. All right, let's move on then to Ashley. Melissa, how are you feeling about Ashley, one of our nominees here?
- [71:46]
Melissa
It's kind of tough. I feel. I don't feel great about Ashley because I feel like she's one of the few people in the house who, like, hasn't gotten involved in anything. Like, I don't feel like she's been able to find where she fits anywhere. And not only that, now she's on the block. So I am worried about her. I think, because she doesn't really have anywhere where she fits. She could be someone who leaves this week. However, I don't really think that she's done anything necessarily wrong. And I feel like a lot of the times people don't really have anywhere where they fit in the first week, and then they find it, and it's not no big deal. Not a problem. But she is on the block now, and this could be her week to go home. We don't know. So I'm gonna give her a three just because. Yeah, I don't know.
- [72:37]
Asia
Yeah, I also landed at a three. I was gonna push it to a two because she's on the block, but she's on the block, and there's a strong chance she could be voted out because it's kind of like. Like, well, why not? If we want to move forward with Taylor, who we may view as a stronger player. But I think she's also put herself to be. Put herself in a position where, okay, she's not a threat, so we could keep her, and let's get out somebody who could potentially do something greater. So she's in that sweet spot right now. So three feels right.
- [73:12]
Taryn
Three feels right for the audience as well. And for me, we're all. We're in lockstep right now. I think she's. I think she's the exact example of three in that, like, she didn't really do much wrong. I mean, like, I say that she didn't do a lot right either and unfortunately found herself in a bad position. She did fight to stay off the block. She's still. She is campaigning like, she's. She's still doing things that are technically right but just not very effective. But she could be one of our. Or she could be our first evictee, but it's not like she, like, actively screwed up and, like, made herself a huge target or anything like that. And so I think a three makes a lot of sense here. But let's talk about Barrett. Asia, how do you feel about Barrett?
- [73:59]
Asia
Yeah, so I. I like what Barrett's doing socially. I feel like he is in a good position where, you know, people are liking Barrett. I feel like his alliance really likes him. He's gotten himself into an alliance, and I think that he is. He's not always talking to the same people. My only concern with Barrett is that, like, the red corner so easily wanted to just go ahead and put him up. So my fear is that if in the future they get hoh, they're going to just be like, okay, well, Barrett and who? And so I do want him to work them a little bit more to kind of put himself in a position where they're not prioritizing putting him up. But. But it's not a huge, immediate concern. I think there are bigger fish to fry for the red corner, so maybe they're not prioritizing him, and maybe they're just trying to use these logic to put him up. So I. I might. I'm. I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna give him an eight.
- [75:04]
Taryn
An eight from Asia, seven from the audience. A little bit lower on. On Barrett's. And it's the color. Oh, no, sorry. The color. I was so confused by a 7 not having a color, because normally that would automatically be a green. For those that listen to this podcast, it automatically color codes based on the average rating of the entire season. So right now that means that 7 is the average season, which I'm just very unused to seeing. I thought something broke.
- [75:40]
Melissa
That's pretty impressive. Normally the average is like.
- [75:44]
Taryn
Yeah, it's usually a 4. A 4 is usually like the Where. Where it's uncolored. But I am a little more inclined to go with the audience here. I think a 7 makes a little more sense to me for Barrett, primarily because he's still kind of gaining his footing. I think that he is certainly, like, on the way to be potentially in a better position than some of the other people in the alliances that he's in. But. But he doesn't really have any other solid backup plans yet. He has some good relationships, but some of his best relationships are with people that were on the block, like Mallory, who's now good, and that's probably his most valuable asset outside of his alliance. But then another one would have been Yash. Like, he actually has a great relationship with Yash, and Yash is, like, the most likely person to leave theoretically. So I actually don't love Yash leaving for him as much as, like, everyone else. Else seems to. In terms of like, he seems to. He does have a good relationship with people like Taylor, but. But in terms of, like, positionally, like, where he's at, I'm just not entirely sure he's where he should be yet. I think he recognizes that too, but I do have faith that he'll get there.
- [77:03]
Melissa
Yeah, I'm giving a 7 as well. Similar reasoning. Yeah, He. He's. I have been impressed with him so far, and I'm glad that he got in with the. The vets, whatever. But I do feel like it's a precarious position, and I would like to see him making allies outside of that whole group and just kind of seeing what goes on outside of it.
- [77:28]
Taryn
All right, well, let's move on then to Chuck. Chuck got a four from the audience. Chuck in an interesting position. He is, of course, part of the red Corner alliance. Now, I will say this about Chuck. I think that he is the best positioned player in the red corner alliance, is the person being targeted the least, but he also is the least active, and that's part of why he's not being targeted. He doesn't seem to have. Have a lot of great connections outside of that alliance, and that alliance we know is kind of doom. So that's a bit concerning for Chuck. However, he did win safety in that first competition, and in addition to that, like or sorry because of that, you might assume he. He's actually going to be kind of decent at challenges. He. He's. You know, it was a puzzle kind of thing. He beat out Drew and Haley and Taylor, and so that could be a valuable thing for him, especially if once red corner crumbles and he sort of like, walks out of the. The rubble, he could be like somebody that is valuable, that is picked up by somebody else, especially because he's a relatively agreeable player. He doesn't. Part of the reason why he's not being targeted as much as Kamu and Haley is because he's kind of a little more likable than they are, and. And I think that could bode well for him in the future. The question is, do I want to go down to a four like the audience, or do I see maybe a little bit more potential in Chuck's position? I just feel like he's probably fine for the time being, and he's got plenty of time to recover. I think because of that, that I think I'll go to a five for Chuck. I want to make sure there's room for some other players in between, like, where Ashley is and where I want Chuck to be. So part of this, part of the ratings is like, very much like, make sure that I have enough space to place people. So I'm gonna do my best here. I'm gonna give him a five.
- [79:42]
Melissa
Yeah, I was having that same conversation within myself because I'm like, I. I think that he's fine, and I think that he's in. If the red corner wasn't known as like, oh, yeah, we got to get them out. And also, like, kind of hated a little bit. It seems like people really don't like Haley in particular. It seems like it's not just, oh, this is an alliance that people recognize and so they're a threat. It's like, oh, we don't like these people, so now we want to get them out or something. So. So I feel like especially, you know, it's not Just let's weaken their alliance. It's like, oh, we want Haley specifically out or Commerce specifically out. And it's not really like, we just want to weaken their alliance. So, like, let's just pick off Chuck, you know, off the side. Maybe they would. But it seems to me like he. He's probably okay, and then I think if he realizes, like, oh, this is a sinking ship, maybe he jumps off and starts hanging out with other people. So I'm gonna give him a five just because, you know, we'll see what happens next week. But I think it's, like, a little early.
- [80:55]
Asia
Yeah, I'm also gonna go 5. He didn't move me one way or the other. I feel like he's in an okay spot and not the highest on anyone's, like, priority list, so. So I'm just gonna go five for him.
- [81:11]
Taryn
All right. Look at that, the colors changed. All right, let's move on then to D, which, you know, D is an interesting one. This is another one, of course, D first HOH and has done a phenomenal job as the first hoh. I think that a first HOH that does incredibly well is, again, one of the most powerful things you can sort of do in. In general in the game. And I always. I always think back to Big Brother 22, when in the first week, Cody just completely dominated, did very, very well in week one and basically set himself up to win the entire game in just that week. And I gave him an 8. I changed it from a 9 because of a little bit. Bit of, like, wonkiness that was happening, like, that night. And then the next day, it was all solved, and I was like, I really feel like that should have been a nine. It was such a good setup. It was done so well, and it basically won him the whole season. And so I don't want to, like, be too influenced by that and go too far in the other direction, but I really do feel like this was a textbook week one HOH setup. A secret alliance, connections into another alliance, letting other people take the heat for you. You're barely a target coming out of this. You've got plenty of options to survive moving forward. You've got plenty of options to dominate the game moving forward. You've got some great individual relationships on top of it. All the nominees themselves, pretty much. None of them are mad at you, except for maybe Mallory, who is now easily under the sway of influence that you've built. I think I have to not be swayed by a couple of the little mistakes. I think she's made, like, maybe telling Rome that Haley was trying to pitch lala and. And say, I think this is how you run a week one hoh. I think that she's got a nine for me.
- [83:21]
Melissa
Yeah. I mean, she's had a really impressive week, for sure. I think, like, maybe my only critique, and this is, like, a small critique, but I think that she set herself up in such a good way to have, like, the red corner and also the crossovers. But now I feel like we're closing out the week or we're not closing it out yet, but we are going to close out the week with the red corner basically being, like, next in line for targeting. And I think it might have been better for her to try and keep some of the heat off of the red corner. And that way, like, she kind of maintain that and at the same time maintain the crossovers because she would have protection from them. Protection from them, protection from outside. So it just would have been a little bit better had she done that. And now it's kind of like going into next week, red corner, her other cover alliance or whatever is about to get targeted. So I. It's tough. I. I'm like, I'm vacillating between an 8 and a 9, but I feel like I kind of just want to give it to her because I do feel like first week hoh is so hard. Hard. I mean, you would think it would not be hard, but as we've seen in the past, a lot of people have struggled with first week hoh, So I. I feel like she did such a good job, and people are not seeing her as like, oh, she's a bet. She's a threat. And then we see the cam talk where she's like, yeah, I know what I'm doing. They think I'm an idiot. And it's like, oh, okay, I really like that. So I'm gonna give her a nine. Yeah.
- [84:56]
Asia
I am in agreement. I also gave her a 9. D is in college. These newbies are in sixth grade. Like, what are we gonna do with that? Like, you. Oh, God. What are you gonna do with that? You can't discount the fact that she has two seasons of Survivor under her belt, a season of the Challenge. Like, she's obviously, yeah, she's new to Big Brother, but the.
- [85:24]
Melissa
These.
- [85:24]
Asia
These are all social games, like, social strategy games. And so the fact that she can apply that here in the Big Brother house with the context of how Big Brother works, like, she's already so many steps ahead, so it'll just be really interesting to see how people truly feel about her threat level after this week, which is why I didn't give her the 10 since we are still in week one. But if she were to still to maintain this week two, week three, then she would deserve the 10.
- [85:55]
Taryn
Well, that's the thing. I don't want to let the week one of it. Of it all, like, influence me because it should. It should be possible to get a 10 in week one. Like, otherwise, what's the point of even having the score available in week one? Right. Like, theoretically, there's a perfect week one play, and that doesn't mean that because obviously we can't forecast that it was the perfect plan that she will definitely win the game because it's a 10 out of 10. But, like, like, you know, theoretically, there's a way to play week one that is like, wow, that is the best I've ever seen. That is like, really up there with the elite. That's a 10 out of 10. And so, you know, I think it's. It's. For me at least it's very easy to fall into the trap of, like, oh, it's week one, it's so early to give her a nine. But then it's like, what's the point of having the nine then? So that's sort of why I went in that direction. The audience did give D an 8, which I don't currently, off the top of my head, know is one of. If it's one of the highest scores that has been received. Received. But. But I can tell you that the audience gave Cody a six in week one.
- [86:56]
Melissa
Generous. Jeez.
- [87:00]
Taryn
All right, let's move on then to Devin's. Melissa, what are your thoughts on Devin's?
- [87:05]
Melissa
I think Devin's is doing a great job. I think that I like his position with the alliance, and I like the way he's been bonding with some of the people outside of the alliance. And I am worried because Jason has it out for him, I guess because it's. I'm hearing. I didn't see the conversation today where Jason explained it, but I saw on Blue sky that, like, Jason was saying that he's worried that Devin's has, like, America's favorite player on lock or whatever.
- [87:38]
Taryn
That's what Drew was telling Devins. He. That's the vibe that Drew was getting from Jason from the conversation.
- [87:45]
Melissa
Yeah. See, I don't know if that's exactly true, but that's worrying to me that Jason seems to have it so such a target for Devins, for whatever reason. But overall I think he's playing well. It's not great that people are already looking at him. So I'm going to give him a seven. Yeah.
- [88:10]
Asia
I think Devin's is doing better socially than I thought he would. I feel like what we know about Devins is he thrives in the chaos and being able to be creative and stuff. So it's really cool actually to see him in this element and being able to. For them not to just look at him as like, oh, like the fun uncle. But he's actually having a lot of one on one time with people and people feel good about him and he's, you know, gotten himself in this alliance. It's wild that we've talked about so many of the. The crossovers so early and then we will again with the next guy. So I think Devin's. I. I feel I like I'm in a same position I am with Angela, so I'm also going to give Devin to seven.
- [88:55]
Taryn
All right. The audience agrees. They also gave Devin's sevens and I did consider an 8 with Devin's in the same way that I did with Angela. I think that Devin's is obviously a bit of a. A bit of a steadier hand at the wheel than Angela. His reaction to Angela being like, Drew's information might have been fake was I thought, pretty reassuring that he was like, it's a lot to have made up. I'm pretty sure it's true information. But Drew has a much bigger or, sorry, Devin's is a much bigger target on his back than Angela does. And I have less faith that he can go. Can like make it through as far as Angela might. And in addition to that, he. While I do appreciate that he's starting to build some good relationships, I especially like that he's in the red corner, obviously that he's got some good relationships in there. They do feel like a sinking ship at this point and I would like to see him have more connections outside of that group. He's tried a bit with Rome, but Rome is so closely attached to Jason and Jason is so fervently anti Devins that it's hard to. To give Devin's the sevens and. Or, sorry, Devin's the eights and then said the seven. So honestly, take. Just take Jason out of the equation. I might be willing to give Devin's an 8, but I don't think we can while he's still there. So seven's all around for Devins. Let's talk about Drew. Asia, how do you feel about Drew.
- [90:33]
Asia
Yeah. I like Drew more than I thought I would. He's fun, he's funny. I feel like he is working the house in terms of, like, always trying to have conversations with different people. I love that the icons trust him enough to have brought him into this alliance. Yes. We have acknowledged the mistakes, like, you know, of immediately telling Angela in front of other people. I think the best route, like, in my opinion, with Angela would have been, yes, immediate, but one on one, because now you have other people having opinions about the situation, and she's just pissed now, so.
- [91:13]
Taryn
And.
- [91:14]
Asia
And is now just kind of, like, doesn't know where to direct these emotions, and now she's feeling all weird about Drew and. Yeah, so I think he's in. Aside from that, I do think he's in a good position. So not an awful position, at least. So I think I'm actually gonna give Drew a six.
- [91:40]
Taryn
A six from Asia, which is red in this. This field at the moment. Well, the audience is actually a bit higher on Drew than you are, Asia. They gave him a seven. In fact, his seven was a. A higher seven than Devin's seven and. And also higher than Angela's seven. In fact, Drew has the second highest rating of anybody from the audience. So take that for what it's worth. And I will take that for what I think it is, which is I also gave Dev, uh, Drew a seven. I would like to also give Drew an eight. In fact, I think Drew is the person who is best set up within the. The crossovers alliance, aside from perhaps D to like, survive a nuclear apocalypse, so to speak. I think that his connection to Mallory is fantastic, and he clearly is being invited into things with people like Jason and. And elsewhere. It's. It's very good stuff. I do think that he has some problems, though, and that's where, you know, I'm. I'm not able to go a little high. I said Melody, right? Did I say Mallory? I swear I was like. I was like. I'm saying it right. I know I'm saying it right, and somehow I guess I said it wrong in my head. I. I swear to you, I said Melody.
- [93:16]
Melissa
So unfortunately, one of them needs to leave, so that way we can.
- [93:22]
Taryn
Mallory was the target, and Melody was supposed to be the renom. We were supposed to have some resolution to this.
- [93:29]
Melissa
It's very difficult.
- [93:32]
Taryn
It's. It's genuinely. I mean, listen, I am incredibly sleep deprived, so that's not helping. But in my head, I literally, I swear to you, I was thinking, I'm crushing this. I'M saying the right name this time. And I heard Melody in my own head.
- [93:45]
Melissa
Their names are so similar. Melody and Mallory. And then you've got like the Melody lyric lala in the Lyric thing.
- [93:52]
Taryn
I'm pretty sure I said Lyric was in the conversation instead of Melody last night in the update.
- [93:58]
Melissa
I don't blame you. I'm having a lot of trouble with it. So very confusing.
- [94:03]
Taryn
It's. It's a nightmare. Anyway, there's some concern for Drew, specifically with Lyric, who he was rubbed the wrong way by Drew the other day. I think in general, Drew just. I. I want to see a little more emotional connection with him to people. I think he's connecting strategically really well with players, but emotionally I think he's struggling and that's part of why the. The whole back, back roads, back rooms, crossroads thing is. Is becoming what it is. Couple of problem areas for Drew, but I like his position right now and I like the way he's moving. What do you think, Melissa?
- [94:44]
Melissa
Yeah, I've been very impressed with Drew. I'm going to give him a 7 as well. I was not expecting to be impressed with him coming into this, but I have been very impressed with the way that he's, you know, gotten himself into various alliances and also the way that he is kind of integrating himself with people that I wouldn't necessarily expect him to integrate well with. And I find him very fun to watch on the feed. So, yeah, he's a seven, apparently.
- [95:16]
Taryn
I said crossroads and not crossover.
- [95:19]
Melissa
It's too difficult for you.
- [95:22]
Taryn
Okay, well, let's move on then to Haley. Haley is a three. According to the audience, she's not on the block, but I will. I would say that Haley is probably the person who is in the worst position who is not currently on the block. She is a massive target for so many people. Even the people in her own alliance, AKA D, do not like Haley. Devin's does not like Haley. There's basically like two people in that house that like Haley and their names are Chuck and Camu and they're the two people in an alliance with her. Her. I'm almost tempted to say she's in a worse position than Ashley, who is currently on the block. She's certainly actively doing worse things. Honestly, I think the. The amount that deactively wants her gone and the amount that she's put herself in that position, I would. I'd give her a two.
- [96:31]
Melissa
I would give her a two as well. I feel like she's not doing herself any favors. I think she thinks she's in a stronger position than she is in. And the fact that so many people are like, I just don't like her. That's very concerning. Also on a side note, I don't like how she's like, oh, I just don't get along well with women. Like, they just don't, they just don't like me. I don't know. I just don't get along with them. It's like, okay, then you are the problem. You can't.
- [97:01]
Taryn
She's a girl's guy.
- [97:04]
Melissa
I hate that stuff. I hate that stuff. It's like, and it makes me think that like, oh, okay, so you're not even gonna try with the girls like that. That automatically is like a bad attitude. It cuts out 50 of the house. It's just, it's, I don't like that. So, yeah, she's a two people are
- [97:21]
Taryn
asking the chat, like, what she's doing. It's primarily just her social game and the way that she moves, moves strategically. She's very, she's very blunt in terms of like her strategic play. And, and, and just people just don't like her.
- [97:41]
Asia
You threw me with the girls guy. She's a guy's girl.
- [97:45]
Taryn
Listen, that one was not me messing it up because that's what she said in the episode.
- [97:49]
Asia
Oh, okay.
- [97:50]
Melissa
A girl's guy. Okay.
- [97:53]
Taryn
Yeah, yeah.
- [97:54]
Asia
Oh my gosh. Yeah. I, I, I too am going to give her a two. It's just, yeah, she's just not in a solid position. How, how are you? And you know, even the people that you are fake aligned with want you out. It feels like she's hanging on by a thread.
- [98:16]
Melissa
Yeah.
- [98:19]
Asia
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- [98:21]
Taryn
Thanks. Yours too.
- [98:22]
Asia
What does RAV stand for anyway?
- [98:24]
Taryn
To me, it's the remarkably advanced vehicle.
- [98:27]
Melissa
Really?
- [98:28]
Asia
To me, it's the Runway approved vehicle
- [98:30]
Melissa
for its amazing style.
- [98:31]
Taryn
What about remarkably adaptable vehicle because of
- [98:34]
Melissa
its versatile cargo space or really admired vehicle?
- [98:37]
Taryn
Oh, or really awesome vehicle.
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Asia
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Melissa
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Taryn
Don't get mad at stinky trash bags. Get Glad Moonlight Breeze shop now at Walmart. Okay, let's talk about Jason, because this one's a tough one. Jason, I think should be in a great position. Like, Jason has the social game, he's got the relationships. And, and like, literally, like I feel like all he needs to do or needed to do was just like not talk smack about the vets. Or if you wanted to go even further, he could have just told the vets, I'm from drag race, let me in. And I think they would have let him in. They all like him a lot and for no reason at all. He's been Talking smack nonstop about them, and he finally talked smack to the wrong person, and now he's caught, probably. And so it's just so frustrating because there's so much potential, but it's all been wasted and for no particular reason. And so I have to especially punish him for that. And I think I need to go down to a three for Jason, mostly, because if he somehow does manage to get out of this, I think he's got a lot more in him than, like, somebody like Haley does. But, like. Like, I think just, like, for actively tanking his game for no particular reason, he's got to be punished pretty strongly.
- [102:39]
Melissa
Yeah. He is the three for me as well. And it's so disappointing because I was really excited to watch him play. I just. I'm so confused as to why he's targeting the vet so much. It'd be one thing if, like, it's like, a Paul situation where he's amassed this big following, and it's like, hey, guys, we've got to do something. And I get that. It's like, hey, you know, we can't let them get too far. But I feel like he's actively just like.
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Taryn
Like, just.
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Melissa
Okay. Every second he gets is like, let's get them out. Let's get them out. And it's. It's. It feels too fast, too soon, and it makes me think that, like, maybe he's upset that he's not considered, like, a reality icon or something, because Drag Race is. But Drag Race is like a different network. Like, I don't know.
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Taryn
I think he should have been an icon, quite frankly.
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Asia
Oh.
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Melissa
I mean, yeah. But I think that. I don't think they cast him for that. I think he applied as a normal person, and they. I don't know if he applied. Maybe they found him. I don't know. But, like, he's applying as a normal person. He gets on as a normal person. It does seem odd that he's not considered an icon, but to me, I mean, maybe he's. Maybe it's. It hurt him, but to me, it's like, that's. Don't. Don't ruin your game over this. Like, you can do this. I don't know. And I really think he could bond with them over the fact that he is.
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Asia
Is.
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Melissa
He is a reality TV star. And it's just like. I don't know.
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Taryn
I mean, I'll tell you this, because there is a lot of talk about, like, there's probably some jealousy involved. Again, Drew got that impression. I've certainly seen people online talk about that. I, I will give a little bit of, of credence here, I think, to what Jason could be upset. A part of what Jason could be upset about, which is that like, I very much doubt he's being paid paid as much as Angela D. Or Devin's and probably should be paid at least closer to what they're being paid to be on this season than the. An average person being on the season. Granted, they should all be paid a lot more in my opinion. But. But I would imagine part of that is, is from that too. Like, oh, these people probably getting paid like 10 times as much as I'm getting paid to be on this season. And I'm a two time reality contestant. Like, like, what's going on with that? That. But, but yes, I think the say
- [104:57]
Melissa
that like, he can't, he can't say that of like, I want to get paid more and they're getting paid more. I should be getting paid more because he's not telling them he was on Drag Race. So like, that can't be the reasoning that he gives to anyone. And it's like, fair, legit reasoning. So I, Yeah, it's. It's just, it's upsetting because I wish. It's like, okay, I know it's important. Like, obviously money is important, etc. But like, like, if you could just set that aside just for the game and then you can maybe win. I don't know. It's just. Yeah, it's tough.
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Taryn
The biggest thing for me, beyond any of it is like, what are you doing telling somebody like Drew, who you don't even have that great a relationship with incriminating details such as I was fake crying to Angela and then looked at the cameras and gave a face case and I plan to give Devin's cupcakes in order to trick him into thinking like, that's so, so much to not only be doing in general, but also certainly to be telling somebody at all in general. So that's. I just, I just can't with that. But Asia, what are your thoughts?
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Asia
Yeah, I was actually having a conversation about that earlier today. Is like, we were wondering, is Jason. Does Jason think that he should have also been an icon and is that part of the reason for needing to target Angel Devins so much? Because it just seems like it's out of nowhere and it seems like there, there is a hidden reason. You know, it's not just, oh, they did something in the house. But yeah, but besides that, I don't. It's tough because yes, I, I, I do think that he shouldn't have told Drew this. He probably shouldn't tell. Has told most of the people he has told that that these are his plans. I think when he does realize he's in jeopardy, like that first time he's put on the block, we could see a shift to where it's like, okay, I need to chill for a second or I need to recalibrate, because wasn't it him that had a conversation with D once he realized, like, okay, things feel weird, so let me try to just relate to D, have a conversation with Dee and lock something in. I feel like I saw them having a conversation earlier today that D was telling Drew about. So.
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Taryn
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Asia
Okay.
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Melissa
Okay.
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Asia
So it, like, that type of thing shows me that he can, like, course correct. And, and if given a week, you know, or given a few days, I don't think that. I think that he has the. The wits about him to realize the impact of his actions. Maybe he just trusted Drew enough to think, think, oh, Drew's not running back and telling anything because he would think that, oh, Drew wouldn't go back and tell anything. Tell them that. So anyway, I say all that to say I'm, I'm gonna give Jason a four.
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Taryn
All right, well, Asia, the audience is with you on this one. The audience also gave Jason a four, so he will climb to an average of a four overall. Melissa, what are your thoughts on comp, though?
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Melissa
Well, one is the thing about Jason. Let me just say that, like, the whole thing about if this is true, where he's like, oh, Devin's is going to get America's favorite player, and so I have to get him out because I want America's favorite player, like, number one. That's not a good way to try and get America's favorite player. I've said since, like, a million years ago that if a vet is in the house, a fan favorite, vet, like, people are liking these people, like, whatever, an icon, whatever, then you should be teaming up with them to gain fans and knowing, though, that you're gonna have to cut them at some point and turn on them, but not turn on them in a bad way where you're badmouthing them, turning on them in a way that's like, I just have to do this for my game. I'm so sorry. I love you so much. That is the way that you would get fans, because it's like, okay, this person knows what they need to do. They're not just sucking up like a Paul situation.
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Taryn
They.
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Melissa
But they Are teaming up with my fave. So I like them. They're not getting my fave out until it's necessary. I mean, that is the way to do it. So if anyone is watching and wants America's favorite player and is working with vets, like, that's, like, honestly, that's what people like.
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Taryn
There you go.
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Melissa
Anyway. Yes. Back to, comma, Back to comma, yeah, comma is not in a good spot. I do think he's a smart guy because, you know, like I said earlier when he said, you know, de should just use this logic to say that, oh, I don't want to put someone in my group on the block. Instead, I'll just put someone who didn't. Who's in the, like, the external group, who didn't win the competition or whatever. I'll put one of them on the block. And it's like, it totally makes sense. And a lot of the strategy conversations that he has make sense and are right. And it's not like he has bad reads, but he is. He's kind of lumped himself in with this. This alliance that is now the target, and that's not good. I do think that people dislike Haley more than they dislike Kamu, so I would give kamu a three.
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Taryn
All right.
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Asia
Yeah, I, I. It is a good thing that kamu is in this alliance, but it's not the best thing that it doesn't seem like people, like, like him genuinely. So I worry if, if, like, two people from the red corner end up on the block, like, where that leaves him, you know, is it just going to be like, these are the people I'm riding with, and once they're gone, like, I have no. I have no other options. I was going back and forth between a three and a four with kamu. Oh, I think I'm gonna. I don't think. Yeah, because I gave Ashley a three. I don't think kamu is a three like Ashley. So I think I'm gonna give him a four.
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Taryn
All right. The audience does agree with Asia about comma. They gave Kamu A4. I'm inclined to go in a similar direction. I think a four for me fits pretty decently for kamu, I think. I actually think Kamu, like, there's a world where kamu's playing well, and that world is the world that the red corner is real. And he actually has a couple of secret allies under his wing. He's got good relationships with people like drew and devin's, and. And he's able to actually keep Yash around and pulls Yashin and he's got Haley as kind of like the bigger heat attention person in front of him. He's like kind of doing the right things, but. And he's even like a pretty charismatic and social guy. The problem is that he is too visible with a lot of what he's doing and we're not living in the world where this is all good because the problem is that it's not a real alliance and he's being set up. And so for all of those reasons, it's hard to give him much more than a four. But let's move on to Lala. Asia, how you feeling about Lala?
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Asia
I wanted to love Lala and I do love her as a person, but I don't love her positioning in the game because it's just like why, why is this random feud happening between her and Angela? And, and then it does seem kind of like she's closer to some of the people in the red corner. I'm just, really just trying to see like where she can lock in like officially where people actually where she's a trusted ally. So. Because it just seems like her game is a little all over the place in this moment in this week one where people are solidifying things. I, I'm gonna also, I'm giving out a lot of fours, but I think I'm gonna give her a four.
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Taryn
A four for Lala. The audience a little higher on Lala. They gave her a five. And I was a little torn here between a four and a five, but I, I, there are, weirdly, I did not expect this, but there are actually a decent amount of people in the house that have been talking about how they, they, they actually don't like Lala. They find her kind of annoying and that on top of her positioning where she's kind of like smack dab in the middle between Rome and it's super visible and Jason, who just got caught is kind of a dangerous place to be now. Luckily, she shouldn't be a main target from those people. And so I almost kind of can equate her position to like where Chuck is in the red corner. Probably the, the person who is least likely to get actively targeted amongst the Jason's and the Romes and all of that. So I, I think I end up back around at a 5 because I think she has the most potential to bounce back. I just think she needs to start being more social with more people. I think she's a little too locked into her group right now, now. And that's Part of why people, I think, are finding her annoying, but also talking about putting her on the block this week.
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Melissa
Yeah, I agree with both of you guys. I. I'm between a four and a five, but I think I'm gonna go with a four just because I don't really feel like she's doing that much, and I don't really feel like she's got a good place in the house. So I'm. I am worried about her moving forward, and especially because, you know, she does. She wants to target Angela and. Or is against Angela. And I feel like that would be a good situation for her to find an ally, and instead she's, like, pushing that away. So. Yeah.
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Taryn
All right, let's move on then to Lyric. Lyric got a four from the audience, which I think, personally is low. I think that's low for lyrics. I think that she actually has one of the better positions of anybody that's not in crossovers, and that's because while she is attached to Rome and his crew, she also has connections to Melody and Mallory, and they have connections to Crossroads, and she has a decent relationship with D. And so I actually kind of like her position. I think she's one of the least likely people to be actively targeted next week. The problem is there's a. There is a world where she gets put up with Rome if that continues to escalate. But there's also Jason and there's Lala, and those people also might get put up next to Rome instead of Lyric. Especially if Lyric retains her connections to people like Mallory and Melody. And she knew to use her connections to people like Mallory to. To help further her position with D. And I liked that. The big. The biggest thing for me is that she's. She really is very focused on Rome. But let me just. Let me just kind of randomly. Should I. Randomly. Now, let's see. Is anybody worthy of a six left? I. I could see. I could see a world where I give lyric A6 here, but I do. I don't think I can. I think I gotta give her a five.
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Melissa
Yeah, I agree. I. It's just. It's. I just don't have enough information yet. But I do feel like I like the various little relationships he's been building. I think that the showman chance thing can be good for her, but it could also be bad for her, especially as they're both talking about how, like, I don't even care about the game anymore. I just care about you. And it's like, okay, well, we're week one, guys. So I don't know. I, we, we will see. But right now a 5 because it could go either way.
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Asia
Yeah, I think she is too invested in the showmance. When you get to baby talk level, like, you are all about this man. So I, I, I fear even if she were on the block without him, it'd be like that, that would still be her focus. Like, well, let's enjoy our last days in the house rather than, rather than switching things up. So why not throw out another four?
- [118:03]
Taryn
All right, let's move on then to Mallory. Mallory, who won the veto to take herself off the block. I think Mallory's recovering pretty well from her position. But, but I do think that she, you know, her, her talk about D is so interesting because it's actually not really a problem for her because of who else she's with. And I don't actually hate her logic about, like, well, she put me up on the block. Of course I would nominate her. She's kind of being led in the right direction, which I think is a good thing for her. I'm not going to go as high as a six, but I think I'm actually willing to say now that she's won this veto, gotten some competition cred under her belt, I'm willing to give her a five as well.
- [119:02]
Melissa
She's tough for me because I do like her, but I am, am worried. I don't like the way that Melody has been trying to distance herself. I feel like I don't trust that the relationships that Mallory is building are real. I'm worried because they were. They very easily put her on the block and I know that it's like, oh, well, but she made a fuss and then she also won the veto, so maybe it'll be harder next time. But I don't know. If she doesn't have a lot of allies vouching for her, then, then it's an easy way to just put someone else on the block when you know that you're going to have probably four nominees. So I just, I don't, I, I don't have that much faith in Mallory. I feel like the conversations that she has with people seem not reciprocated. It feels like she's sharing something and being real with them and they're kind of holding back and that makes me nervous. So I'm going to give her a four for now and I hope that goes up.
- [120:01]
Asia
Yeah, I, Mallory saving herself this week is great. It allows her to show that there, you know, there's some hope. I mean, but it concerns me that she said today, like, I cried when I got put up. If I get put up again, I'm probably gonna cry again. You know, it's gonna happen. You're. You're playing Big Brother. Like, people are going to be nominated. So I just hope that, you know, know she learns to adapt better. But I also don't think that she is the priority right now for a lot of people. So I'm gonna also give her a five.
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Taryn
All right. The audience more so with Melissa on Mallory. They gave her a four, which brings us to Melody. Not Mallory, but Melody. Melissa, what are your thoughts on Melody?
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Melissa
Melody, Melody. I enjoy watching her. I think she's an interesting person. I'm worried about Melody because I don't feel like she has a great head for the game. I'm worried about the way that she just wanted to discard Mallory, even though it's like, you know, you didn't need to do all that. Like, she could have just been like, hey, look, look, I'm putting a little bit of distance. And instead it was like, I'm putting so much distance. I don't even like her. I want her to leave. It's like, that could have been a very good ally for you, and maybe it still is, but I. That makes me nervous for her future, like, decision making. I. It makes me nervous. And then the whole her, like, trying to get him with Drew thing, and then, you know, I thought. I think that it could have been a really good position for her to have the lyric, Mallory, Melody thing. And. And maybe she could say, hey, guys, like, I want to work with you guys, but I do want to distance myself and then kind of distance yourself in that way, but also secretly have them. And instead it's like, no, I really want to distance myself. And it just makes me nervous. I don't know if I can trust her judgment. At the same time, I do feel like she's pretty good socially, and I'm interested to see where it goes. And now that Mallory's staying, maybe this won't even matter, and it'll be fine, but it's a little scary. She was potentially going to be the Renam, and that's not a good position. But then she didn't become the renown, which I guess is good for her. I guess I'll give her a four, but we'll see.
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Asia
Yeah, I am also going to give her for. Like you said, she's not proving it to be loyal. And at this point in the week, at least, before things really shift, shift Next week she is putting, just putting herself at the bottom of whoever she's moving to. So yeah, until we can kind of see where things shake up. I think at least for this week, it's A four.
- [122:54]
Taryn
The audience agrees, as do I. I, I think the distancing herself thing, I've spoken on it plenty. I think it was a mistake. I think it caused her a lot of social problems. I do, however, think she is recovering. She is on the road to recovery at the moment. Moment. And so this could continue to go up. But, but I think for now makes a lot of sense here at A4. Asia, what are your thoughts on Rome?
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Asia
Can we call him Jack?
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Taryn
Who's Jack?
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Melissa
No, no, you may not.
- [123:28]
Asia
That's his, that's his government name. I, I just, I just feel like that's the fair thing to do. I've made it this whole podcast about that. So I. Okay. I think he's locked in on this showmance as well. But it. And, and yes, he did. He is very googly eyed on her, but he has at least tried to establish things with other people in a, I guess like a stronger way. I don't think that if push came to shove, he would be prioritizing the showman over like staying in the game. I do think he is competitive enough to where he can realize like, oh shoot, I do need to continue to like have other people in this game. Like he's having fun with Lyric, but I don't think he is going to ultimately allow that to fully tank his game. Even though when they are together, I think that they have no idea what's going on and outside of them in the house.
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Taryn
So
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Asia
because I think he's in a better position than Lyric, I think I'll give him a five.
- [124:41]
Taryn
All right. The audience agrees with you. They gave Rome a5. I'm going to disagree though. I think that Lyric is in a better position than Rome in. In my estimation. I think that Rome is a bigger target. I also think that Rome is more distracted with Lyric than Lyric with Rome. I think that, that Rome is a more sort of attractive ally to pick up and that's why he's got a lot of suitors because he's so large both physically and in terms of his presence. But I. That also makes him more threatening. I actually like him as a player. I think that if he were not so distracted with Lyrics, Eric, I think he might be pretty effective. So, you know, I, I do think Rome has potential in this game, but I think he really needs to get Activated. Because while I. While I do think that he could be fine if his side of the house wins, if the red corner wins, it's him, it's Lala, it's Jason, it's Lyric, and he could easily end up the full target of those people as early as next week. Whereas I think Lyric. Lyric is probably good. So I actually am going to give him a four.
- [126:05]
Melissa
I'm gonna give him a five. I feel. I see what you both are saying, but I do think that. I think that he has socially done a good job with a lot of people. I do see what you're saying that he would be a threat, but I don't know. I feel like. Like, I don't know if he's the first person he's that's looked at as, like, okay, next target to go, and I think that he could earn some more leverage there. So I feel like it's like good things and bad things, and now I'm kind of just in the middle again. So I'm just gonna stick with the middle and give my five.
- [126:43]
Taryn
All right. Wow. Another five. Let's move on then to Taylor, who the audience. Audience gave a four. And of the nominees, I do think that Taylor is currently the safest, but I do not think that she is safe. And for that reason, I am. I feel inclined to give her a similar rating to Ashley in that I don't think she's done a whole lot that's wrong. In fact, there's stuff that I think she's doing right. I do think she has stronger connections to Ashley. I do think she's more likely to stay than Ashley, but she is on the block, and I'm just not sure I can give her the same rating as a bunch of other people in the house at the moment. So I do think she's above Ashley for me, but still a three. Just like a higher three for me.
- [127:52]
Melissa
Oh, yeah. I'm. I'm between a three and a four. Because I feel like I. I like the conversations I hear her having, but a lot of them, I mean, nothing really solidifies her with anyone. I feel like it's like a lot of, like, good vibe conversations where it's like, oh, it feels like everyone's really vibing in this conversation. But there's nothing they don't leave the conversation being like, okay, we're allies now. Okay, you're gonna vote for me? Like, okay, we're good. Good. And sometimes she does, but I just don't feel like the majority of the conversations I saw with her are like that. And that. That makes me nervous because I don't know what's going to happen once she's once like, let's say she sticks around. Where does she go from here? Because people are already forming alliances, they're already getting allies, and I don't know where she fits in, and that makes me nervous. So, yeah, it's similar to Ashley in that way where it's like, like, I don't know. I don't know where she goes if she stays.
- [128:52]
Taryn
It's a very good point. I mean, we talk about it all the time, but even if she does survive, just having been a week one nominee all week long is going to severely hinder her game moving forward. It's going to be a hole that she needs to climb out of. Even if she does survive.
- [129:08]
Melissa
Yeah, because people are going to want to be making alliances with people that they know are going to be there. And it feels pointless to make an alliance with someone who. Who's probably not going to stick around or might not stick around. Just feels good. Waste of time. So with Mallory, now it's like, okay, well, now she saved herself, so now we can start, you know, planning stuff with her. But you know, Taylor and Ashley and Josh, it's like, now what? So, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna unfortunately give her a 3, but I hope that it goes higher.
- [129:38]
Asia
Yeah, I too. I agree with y'. All. I do think that it's going to be difficult for her to find where she lands if she does stay, but I think that as well, Taryn, that I think of the three nominees, she is the safest, so she has a high potential to stay. However, on the other side of that, because it's going to be like, she's a free agent, she could be easy to pick up. And so I think that if, if people see, especially the crossovers, if they see her as a potential number, then it's going to be like, hey, you know, where else are or not, where else are you going to go? But here's five allies right here that can just kind of fall into your lap if they decide they want to kind of grow that side of the house and if they become sides, so. And then, yeah, she is a have not this week. So she's not just. She's not feeling her. Her best, but I think I'm going to agree with the audience and give her a four.
- [130:41]
Taryn
Yeah, I, I also think I worry both her and Ashley, if either of them stay, are also just so likely to end up being used as pawns again in the future, which is also something I think to be wary of there. But let's move on finally to Yash. Yash, who is, I think, the likeliest to leave right now. I'm not going to give much credence to the idea that he's more likely to win a blockbuster. The week one blockbuster has pretty consistently not been very physical, and therefore, I think is theoretically something that any one of them could win. And he is the most likely to leave if he stays on the block. In addition to that, even though I don't think he's done that much wrong, he has probably done the most wrong between the three nominees in terms of his just lack of urgency and really just lack of knowledge. So ultimately, it's going to be kind of a harsh 2. I wish I could give him something a little higher because I don't think he really fully deserves that much, but it is his current position right now, and so. So Yash, for me, must be a two.
- [131:47]
Melissa
Yeah. Two for me as well. He'll probably go home unless he can save himself. And. Yeah, I just don't know if he's really putting in the work. I like him, though. I feel like I'm entertained by him, but I just feel like it's. Yeah. Not. Not gonna happen. Yeah.
- [132:04]
Asia
Yeah. Also, I'm giving him a two.
- [132:06]
Melissa
He.
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Asia
He was. It was concerning when he talked to D earlier today and was like, well, D and Drew. And he was saying, hey, if I'm asking people am I good, they're telling me I'm good. Then, hey, I'm not gonna doubt that. It's like, hey, there. You know, that's. Yeah, it's very surface level. And clearly they're telling you what you want. You want to hear. So it's not great signs for just, like, your potential in the future if he were to get there.
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Taryn
So I do think he has the most ability to recover of the nominees if he does survive five, for what it's worth, you know, he's not somebody that I think will be used as a pawn as easily, and I don't think that he is somebody that, you know, like, because of that won't be thrown on the block quite as much, potentially, but. But he will need to sort of step up his game either way. The audience agrees with us. They gave him a 2 as well, which lands him at a 2 overall. Of course. That's it. That's the stock watch. We did it.
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Melissa
We did.
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Taryn
17 players.
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Asia
Good job, gang.
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Melissa
Didn't take too long. That's not too long.
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Taryn
We did at the end end up with an average of 4. Here we can see roughly somewhere in the fours.
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Asia
We made our way back.
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Melissa
Yeah, we found our way back.
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Taryn
Yes. I mean, listen, I think that's roughly where we want to be. The. Ultimately, the. The nominees are going to weigh the average down slightly because they're going to be like every week there's guaranteed three nominees, so an average of four instead of five makes some. Some good amount of sense. But. But yeah, interesting stuff. I think overall we're still pretty high on the cast in general in terms of their strategy and really it's like there's so many players in CRO in crossovers that are playing so well. It's really sort of limiting the level for everybody else in terms of their positioning. But I do think that many of them are playing decently well. Even the players in a bad position are not making big, obvious mistakes in ways that we've seen over the last couple of seasons. I really do feel like right now, at least the level of play is pretty elevated from what we've been used to. So very interesting to see, I think.
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Melissa
Oh, for sure. I feel like a lot of the time it's like, okay, there's good people, there's medium people and then there's like really bad people. And I don't really feel like we have any like, really bad people. And if anything, like, I don't really want anyone to go home at this point. Like all three of the nominees, I'm like, ah, that's like, I could see them stick around. Like, I'd be happy to have them stay. So it's, you know, it's. It's a good sign for the season. I just hope it stays that way.
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Asia
Way, yeah, it's fun, Fun cast so far. So it'll be very interesting to see if things shake up or if we see somebody, one group dominate. So I'm excited.
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Taryn
All right, well, I think that's what we've got then for the first round table of the season just at around two hours. Not bad. Time wise.
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Melissa
We've done literally not bad. We've had three hours before, so.
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Taryn
So it's very true.
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Melissa
Much better.
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Taryn
Yeah. So that's about it. I'll of course be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern to update you and everything that happens today and has happened today on The Big Brother 2028 live feeds. Stay tuned. Next week we'll have another round table, I assume at roughly around the same time, but who knows exactly. I'll Let you know, of course, ahead of time, there'll be another survey. There'll be more data to talk about. There'll be things to compare and see where the lines are going. It'll be very fun. Also, episode recaps happening all the time. I'm doing a mailbag episode for Patrons of Rob as a podcast with Rob. We'll be filming that tomorrow. I also have my own Patreon where I just finished watching Love Island. I watched the last two episodes and I. I'm genuinely not kidding. Nearly threw up and I'm. That's literal because of the gross.
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Asia
No, that was. Yeah.
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Taryn
So check out all the content happening on Patreon. I'm also streaming there there during episodes, during feeds, watching those things with all of my patrons there. Asia, what are you up to?
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Asia
Well, a new season of Married at First Sight just started, season 20. So if you are watching Love island and you're like, big Brother is not enough. Meredith, First Sight is on Peacock as well. And season 20 is a big one. The premiere is already out and it's. It premiered this Sunday, this past Sunday, and there will be drops of episodes each week. We're in for a long haul. Be about six weeks of multiple episodes. So Jason Reed and I will be covering that on the We Know Dating Shows YouTube channel, as well as if you listen to the audio version, that'll be on the Love at First Sight feed. So it's already started out with a lot of drama. So tune in if you like Merit at First Sight or you ever watch Merit at First Sight, it seems like it's going to be a really good season. Also, Jason Reed and I have a Patreon exclusive to our Merit at First Sight bonus content, so you can go find that@patreon.com A Perfect Match podcast. Also, I have a podcast with my girlfriend called Life by Us, Life bi Us. We have a new podcast every single Sunday. So go find that on YouTube or anywhere you listen to audio podcasts. You can also find me on all social media at Asia. Like Asia. That's a Y S H a Like Asia.
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Taryn
All right, Melissa, what. What's. What's going on with you these days?
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Melissa
Oh, you know, work, Callan, hanging out, that whole thing. Big Brother, obviously, you know, you can find me on all social media. It's Melissa with three A's. I said it this time, but yeah, that's. That's. That's, you know, Big Brother is what's going on. So I'm excited to be back.
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Taryn
All right, well, thank you all so much for being back here at the roundtable. I appreciate all of of course my my lovely panelists, guests and as as well as the audience who who joins us every single week. So thank you all so much for joining. We will see all of you next time.
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