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Every morning, tearing Armstrong, toxic brother. Looking at the stuff from yesterday,
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all
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the drama, all the strategy and silliness from Phoenix to HOH every single season, you know, he is the reason, you know what's happening, happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello, everyone, and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for August 9th. I'm your host, turn Armstrong, and I'm here to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the big brother 28 live feeds. It was day 33 in the house and things are still going. If you listen to yesterday's update, you know that we were interrupted by Angela causing chaos and that chaos continued to spiral throughout the day. We had a veto competition, a veto winner, plans for the veto and further reshuffling, further drama. There's plenty to talk about and with me to talk about it all is Kirsten. How you doing, Kirsten?
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B
I'm doing great. I'm so excited. And actually, yesterday was such a display of how Angela has grown and changed since her last season while also staying the same because last time she did it at the start of the live feed update and yesterday she waited until closer to the end. So, you know, that's growth,
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truly. Yeah. She just really has no respect for the live feed updates. I think even Drew last night was like, man, I think we're making it hard for Taryn. Of course he thought that was because things were boring. This was before he had the retell of what happened today given to him.
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B
But yes, sorry, it's just so crazy that he's like at that late point in the day doesn't know what happened when apparently it was audible from outer space.
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Well, as you know, Lala is the hoh. She has nominated Barrett, Chuck and Haley with the intention of targeting Haley with Chuck is the backup target. A lot has happened here. Kamu managed to get himself off the block by throwing Chuck under the bus and suggesting that Chuck and Haley both go up. And so now this is where the nominations lie. The veto competition is going to take place over the course of the day, but before we can even draw for the veto. And let me tell you, Saturdays are normally slow. They're normally especially before the veto because they're just waiting for the veto to happen.
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B
I mean, in theory, yes, but how many Sundays have we been here talking about some bullshit? I feel like it always happens to
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me after the veto.
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Okay. Turn up. True enough.
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Usually, usually Saturday, because listen, I know this Saturday is my chillest day until the veto happens, but because it's like, nothing happens before the veto and then the feeds are down for the veto. It's like, that's when I get to, like, be a human a little bit sometimes. Not yesterday. And that's because Angela woke up. Sobbing. Sobbing by herself. With Drew, with Barrett. She's still crying. She was crying yesterday, the day before as well. And. And she just, she feels bad about, I guess, a lot of things. But the main thing she feels bad about now is this lie to Haley. And do I think she feels guilty about the lie to Haley? Not particularly. Do I think she feels extremely paranoid that Haley is going to find out if she doesn't tell her first? Yes, I do think that, yeah, this
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B
is not necessarily a speed that Angela is super comfortable with, of being someone who withholds information from someone that she's close to. And especially, like, again, they did it for no reason other than to entertain us. Like there was. There was no reason for this. And so then what does Angela do? She sits and she ruminates and she thinks. And she doesn't sleep. And then when Angela doesn't sleep, we all have, well, a bad time, but also a good time.
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A
Yeah, when I don't sleep, I mess up Melody and Mallory's names. When Angela doesn't sleep, she reveals that she's been lying about her vote for the last three days.
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B
I haven't slept. I'm a little cranky. Angela, she says, I need to blow up a bomb.
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A
It's. It's a lot now. You know, I think, I think the interesting thing here, Angela has been pulled into this world of Survivor with D and Devins who are chaotic players who lie for fun. And I think Angela also likes the idea of being that person. But Angela is also, like, she doesn't quite have the iron stomach that Dee and Devin's do. And so she's going along with them and playing at their speed. But she's Angela and she does it. That's not her natural speed. And so when the night before I talked about this yesterday, she was having a conversation with Lala and Taylor and they were encouraging her to admit her vote to Camus. And then Taylor went and did tell Kamu about the fact that Angela voted that way. And so Angela is feeling like they are. They're going to know some. Somebody is going to tell them. It's like the pressure is building in her and so she just comes out and she, she's crying to Haley and she says. And Haley's like, what's, what's wrong? Here's goes. I Voted. I voted the wrong way. I did it, and I'm sorry, okay? I mean, I'd rather you just own it. I had to tell you. I had to tell you for me, Because I'm just gonna tell you, okay? I'm so sorry. I felt sick for days. It's. Oh, it's okay, Angela. It's not okay. It's not okay. I'm. I'm so sorry. I just needed to do this. And at first, it's just, like, Haley comforting Angela because Angela's, like, breaking down. And then, like, over the course of the, like, five minutes for this confession, Haley is, like, starting to not be any less, like, seemingly forgiving, but, like, she's kind of like, wait, so why did you do it? Is it because you heard Lyric was coming after you? No, no, it wasn't that. It wasn't that at all.
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B
It was.
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A
It was just for me, okay? It was for me, like, well. Well, then who? I mean, you were, like, trying to make it seem like other people were doing it, like. No, it's. It's just. I just had to do it. I. I just. I had to tell you. Okay? I'm like, okay. And then, like, she's like, I'm just gonna. I guess, take some space, and she kind of walks away. It does, like, doesn't do a hug before walking away. And then. And then Angela's just, like, left there, and Haley goes and talks to Chuck and tells Chuck about this, and Angela talks to Dee and tells D about it. And it's like, I told. I told her.
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I told her.
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And. And he's like, why?
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B
Yeah, well. And that's the thing. Why. I do feel like with Angela crying for, like, over 24 hours, she kind of had to say something to explain why she's acting like that. But it didn't have to be this. It didn't have to be like this. And especially with Haley, who is someone who prides herself on being logical and not emotional in the game, for true or for false, that's how Haley perceives herself. So for then Angela to be making a big production of crying and kind of making herself the victim when she betrayed Haley and blindsided Haley is just like, it's not. That's not gonna work for thog. She doesn't want to hear that.
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Yeah. So Angela is like, you should. You should tell them, too. You should tell them, because they know, D. They know. They already know. And Dee's like, I'm not gonna tell him. I'm not gonna do that. And in the Meantime, again, Haley is talking to Chuck, and she's getting more worked up as she talks to Chuck because Chuck is like, oh, I already knew. I read faces. You know, I read faces. Her face is so poker. So. So, hey, Angela kind of finishes talking to D, and Haley finishes talking to Chuck, and Haley comes back into the bathroom. She kind of just walks back in. Angela's still kind of there, kind of, like, raw. And Haley just comes back in. No preamble. I just want to say one more thing. You know what makes it worse? You betrayed me after shouting out my family. And Andrew's like, yeah, yeah, because I care about you. I care about you no matter what. It's not to hurt you. It's not to hurt you. I'm gonna shout out your family. Okay? You sat there and you lied, and you made me think it was D. I feel bad for D. And you made me. You. You. You were looking at Yash. I was looking at Chuck. Just, no, no, I wasn't doing that. I wasn't doing that.
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It's not.
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It's not what was happening. And they really start to get it. And at one. And at one point, as this now more heated confrontation is happening, Chuck walks into the bathroom and walked right back out. Like, fully the Simpsons meme of the. Of grandpa walking in, circling and walking back out. And it's a whole big mess. It's a whole big mess. This is all happening during the live feed update yesterday. Haley is very upset about this situation. And, you know, my thought watching this back was like, man, you know, Haley's on the block. Like, there's a world where Haley's reaction is to cry with Angela, right? To be like, oh, my God, it's okay. I still love you. And the whole rest of this day might have gone very differently, but instead, she is. Is. Is quite upset. And listen, I don't blame her for being upset. She was lied to, she was tricked. She was fooled. But she is on the block. And so, you know, this is ultimately how it ends up going.
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Hey, listen, she is who she is, and she cannot pretend to be someone else, regardless of her position in the game. It's kind of a mirror of Angela, who also is who she is and can't help but be herself regardless of where she is in the game. They're just two different sides of the coin.
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Yeah. So Angela also talks to Chuck for a bit. She also goes and talks to Kamu. She tells Kamu about the situation and admits to Kamu the vote and everything. The veto draw happens, and Kamu and D are picked to play in the veto. Kamu playing was very much something that Taylor and Lala were hoping for because they've already sort of like locked in with him and he doesn't plan to use the veto. De might use the veto on like Barrett might not use the veto, who knows? But either way she wouldn't use it on Chuck or Haley. And in the meantime, Haley at the very least is talking about how she wins the veto. She won't even use it to prevent Kamu from going up on the block to prove her loyalty so that she can get tool shed to vote to keep her.
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Well, but do you really believe though that she wouldn't? You, I feel like you can say you wouldn't use the veto on yourself, but it's a whole other thing to actually not use the veto on yourself.
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I'm very much with you. I will spoil this result. Haley did not win the veto. I was really hoping she would personally because number one, Kirsten, as you said, Haley is Haley and at this point, Haley in the house is more entertaining than Chuck in the house. And number two, there was actually, it was like, well, what's going to happen if she did? Is she going to actually use it or she's not going to use it. And if she doesn't use it, that's wild. And if she does use it, then she does go back on saying that she wouldn't use it and that's either way. It would have been fun.
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Yeah, she's too batshit to leave right now, in my opinion. It's not that I personally like my personal feelings about her, but like when Haley says crazy stuff, it's like so crazy. And when Chuck says crazy stuff, it's like, haley, you're the kindest person in here. Get out of here. Go home.
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So before the veto competition can even start, there's still tons of stuff to get to because Angela first talks to Lala and Taylor. She lets them know she's talked to Haley and they are very much like, hey, if Haley says anything about you, like, that's not okay. But D is also going to have a talk with Kamu. It's been suggested to her that she tell Kamu about her vote. At this point, Kamu very, very much knows that Dee voted this way and we've already talked about it last night I was telling you. Or yesterday I was telling you about the night before that Kamu is very much against D and Angela now. He's been activated. He's pitched for them to be the replacement nominees. Like, this is very, very dangerous. So Dee sits him down up in the gym and she says, listen, you already know, right? I did vote to evict Lyric. And he says, yes, yes, I did already now. And I just have some questions, like, for instance, why not tell me I would have been on board. Why wasn't I included? And why lie about it? And so her, her method of answering these questions primarily rests on a tried and true tactic, not only in the history of Big Brother, but certainly in. In this season in particular, which is blame Haley. Blame Haley. Throw her under the bus. Easy. She says, listen, at the time, a lot had been happening and you know how the house feels about Chuck and Haley, right? Thing is, Taylor brought the idea of. Through the vote to me, and that's technically true. And that's, you know, you were left out because of how everyone feels about Chuck and Haley, and we didn't know how close you were to them. And, and listen, everyone knew, including Yash, just so you know. But I decided to lie because Chuck and Haley were right there and I wasn't sure if you were with them and I didn't know. You know, this has just been like, obviously I really like you, but. But Chuck and Haley, and that's how everybody felt. They weren't sure how close you were with those two. So again, everybody lying, including she's saying Yash and everybody leaving him out because of his proximity to Chuck and Haley, trying to sort of create this picture of like, well, I don't want to. I don't want everybody to lie to me. I don't want everybody to leave me out because of my proximity to those people. And so she asked, so how do you really feel about them? And he says, listen, I've been trying to tell you guys this. I've never been that tight with them. I really haven't. I probably talked to Chuck, the least of the guys in the house, and you know, me and Haley have. Have been really like, back and forth a lot. So he, he very much just like pushes away the idea that he and. And she has already now kind of turned it around on him. It is now a fault of his and his proximity to them that he now needs to sort of like, disavow in order to. To sort of like get back in with her and in her words, like the rest of the house. And so this is how she is going to make this explanation. And, and it's very effective. There's plenty more of this conversation to go, but this part is effective. She. She's able to sort of, like, explain away this vote in a way that allows them to be like, okay, well, now that I know that, we can sort of move forward together, wipe the slate clean.
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B
And this is something that I think very much should have not worked, but of course, this is d. So she's able to do it in a way that it does.
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Mm. So she says. I've also heard, by the way, to kind of continue the attack that, you know, I'm not going to say who told me, but I've heard that you said you were going to nominate me, that you. That my name has been in your mouth, actually. And again, it's not, like, accusatory. It's not, like, aggressive attack. It's just like, I'm not the one defending myself here. Even though I'm admitting I was lying to you. It's actually, you need to sort of defend yourself, which, of course, is a tactic that people try to use all the time. It's not usually very effective unless you're very good at this. And he says that is true. I did say that because I was just. I was saying I was going to go after the people that were lying to me. And I knew that you, Angela and Chuck were the three people that I thought were potentially lying to me, but I don't feel that way anymore. And he says, so now, like, how do you feel about Haley after all of this? And she's like, I never liked Haley. I. I've been holding this in. And she basically just spills all of the complaints that she's had about Haley this whole time. She really didn't like Haley's comments about Melody's body and all kinds of stuff that she's always sort of like, been. Again, like, holding back about Haley and calm was like, man, I knew. I knew people didn't like her. I didn't like. I didn't know the true extent of it, but, like, I knew it. And he's so on board with Haley leaving this week and sort of dropping that dead weight. And if he wins this veto, he won't use it. And, you know, Dee didn't quite know this until just now that this was really the plan again. He sort of was able to see that there was something going on with Kamu and Yash and Taylor and Lala, But. But now she's like, okay, you're not, like, using the veto. And these dummies, Haley and Chuck, they're talking about not using veto on themselves. What are they doing? Oh, my God. And So she asks him like, so what are you, what are your thoughts then? What are we doing moving forward? Who do you feel good with? And he spills, spills it all. He's feeling great with Yash and Taylor and Lala. He really wants to move forward with them. He asks her how he, how she feels about Wolf Pack and she says, I feel great about Wolf Pack. She's a little bit worried about Yash because she knows that Yash is really close to Taylor and she thinks that they have a final two. She's clearly trying to plant some seeds of doubt with Yacht about Yash to Kamu. Now this sort of like overall meta look at this, of course, that we've been talking about is that Kamu getting in with Taylor, Lala and Yash is very, very dangerous for the vets because they have a very anti vet sentiment about them. They are like a pretty dangerous group together. And, and, and things could go really wrong, especially because Kamu is talking about pulling in people like Drew and going after the vets and so D having like sort of one comma back over already is very useful. Getting this information that these people are grouped up is very useful. And now she's already trying to work on like, can I, can I kind of separate them a little bit? Can I get Yash pulled away from Kamu as much as possible? And in this moment it's not really working. The Yash part of it at least the rest of it is he says he feels really good about Yash, that they really have like bonded over the vote situation and that he really thinks that they can trust Yash. And so she kind of has to change her tune. And this is when she goes, there's something else that I, I didn't plan to say anything about it. I didn't, I wasn't going to tell you. I wasn't going to tell anybody. So it's a good thing. I have a power.
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B
Whoa.
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A
Wow. And does anybody know? No, nobody knows. I wasn't going to tell anybody. I don't, I wasn't even going to tell you. I just was like, oh, my God, I'm shaking right now. And I don't know, I just felt like, you know, I'm telling you this other stuff and I've told you my whole game now and if you tell anybody, I'll deny it. But, but yeah, I, I've, I have power. It's, it's not very good. It's like I get $5,000 to try to get people, get somebody to do a Thing that I want. She can't remember the name, the bribe name. She's like the bargain. Bargain.
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B
I. And this is something where, like, I feel like people have been super down on her for sharing this information. But, like, as she herself says, the bribe is not that powerful. And when you're like, when her strategy of kind of trying to separate Yash out is not working, I feel like sharing this information is not that big of a deal, especially again, because it's not that good of a power and she's, you know, she's. She's trying to win com. Like, the season is now turning into the war for who has commu, which. Who saw that coming?
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Well, this is the point at which I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this guy who. Last week I was like, I was so. I. I really felt like he played himself into a corner. He was playing so poorly last week that things were all going to come to a head. This week he was going to be nominated and he was probably going to be targeted and the vote was probably going to flip onto him. And I felt so good. I was talking about yesterday. I felt so good about that prediction because it was right all up until the point where Kamu woke up and started playing really well. And 24 hours prior, less than 24 hours prior to this moment, Ka Amu was being blindsided. He was like. He was, like, about to be put on the block. And. And I was. I was talking about how I think the vote's going to flip on him because he's the more dangerous player between him and Haley. And he managed to get himself off the block, insert himself into the. An alliance with the hoh, create a new, like, larger grouping power, like the beginnings of a new power structure. And now D is having to, like, grovel to him to win him back over and exposing her power to him as part of that ploy, as he's kind of dictates to her who's included in his new power structure. And I'm like, what in the world? This man has done some good work here.
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B
Yeah, see, and this is where the mistake came in. Taryn is you're like, oh, well, he's. He's backed in a corner. It's fine. This is where he fights from. He fights from the red corner. Taryn.
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That's true. That's true. So it's good stuff. Now, talking about the power reveal, obviously the initial reaction is that's really stupid. Don't tell somebody your power. Then there's a bit of a counter reaction. Which is. Well, if it worked and. And Kamu now is fully on her side again, then that was an effective use of telling her power. I think currently I'm falling a little more in the middle where I do think it was very, very necessary for Dee to win Camus over in this conversation and make sure that she's included in whatever he is doing, and the more she can win him over, the better. But it did seem like she already had made most of that progress prior to revealing the power and that the power is probably a lot of risk for a little bit of extra percentage. She might need that extra percentage. Well, we don't know that yet. And the risk is still there. And so I personally feel like maybe, maybe it could have been held back, but. But maybe it'll come in clutch, you know, like there is. She did win some extra percentage points, but it could also completely backfire. There is a lot of risk attached to it. So that's kind of where I stand with it for now.
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B
Yeah. And I think that's totally fair. I think that if at any point she was going to consider telling Kamu, it's better to do it sooner than later, especially since she already lied to him. That's the only reason why I'm, like, more positive on it. But she could have just also never told him, and that would have been fine, too.
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A
I think the reason I'm. I'd lean negative despite being neutral is the Angela of it all.
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B
Despite being neutral is crazy.
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Despite having the middle take. I would say the reason I, I would still lean like, I, I don't like it because I'm not like, what a dummy. Oh, my God, she's an idiot. But I do think I, I don't think she should have done it. And, and that's primarily because of Angela, because now Devin's knows and now Kamu knows and Angela still doesn't know, and she told Kamu that nobody else knows. I think that she really needs to tell Angela. I think that she not only needs to tell Angela, but she needs to tell Kamu that she's going to tell Angela and she needs tell Angela. Kamu already knows. She can. Devin's. I think who cares? Like, Devin's is locked in. He will keep a secret that he knows, and that can be something that they can keep to themselves and pretend that they still haven't told one another about anything. And that works out fine. But I think Camu is too dangerous a player to know this without Angela knowing, because if Angela knows that he told Kamu but not her. I think that's really dangerous. But the problem is that Angela, knowing herself is also pretty dangerous. And so this is where the complication really comes in, in my opinion, where it's like, now I think Angela has to know, but. But if she does know, that's a whole other set of, like, stuff she has to pay attention to. So there's some danger here that, you know, otherwise could have been mitigated. And again, maybe those extra percentage points weren't worth all of this, but we'll see.
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B
Maybe she just bribes Angela and that's the. The way to get out of this.
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A
Yeah. So he's very excited about knowing about the power. He says, again, he wants to move forward with her and the wolf pack and Lala and Taylor and Yash. And she says she's down. And he. She kind of, I think, pretends to be convinced to trust Yash based on what Kamu is saying, because he's not budging on Yash at the moment. But then they get interrupted because Haley and Chuck walk in, up. Up in the gym, and they're like, oh, hey. And they start talking about Angela and the votes and how Angela admitted it to Haley, and she's retelling that story, and they're now talking about, like. And. Because she's like, and Angela made me doubt you D. Because. But. And D's like, well, I voted. I voted the way I said D, not admitting it to. It's a. Haley and Chuck, despite having just admitted it to Kamu and. And Haley. And so they kind of end up talking around this fact that, like, okay, well, now that Angela has admitted it, that's one person. That's one vote accounted for. There's still one more vote unaccounted for. Three of those votes are in this room right now. Kamu saying he voted that way, Chuck saying he voted that way, D saying she voted that way. The only one unaccounted for is Yash. And Dee's like, pull Yash up if you want. I. I voted that way. I'm happy to discuss it at any point. And Haley and Chuck are like, no, no, we don't need to do that. We don't need to do that. He's downstairs. He's sleeping out in the backyard. He's sleeping right now. She's like, I don't care. And Kama's like, I'll go get him. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, you don't need to. He's. He's sleeping. I'll Wake him up. No, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna go get him right now. And so Kamu goes, wakes Yash up in front of everyone in the backyard like he's Barret in the have not room going upstairs to talk about Rome, and pulls him up into the gym. And before he can go into the gym, D rushes out and goes, ok, Yash, we're talking about the vote situation. I'm still lying to them. So I don't know if you can just keep saying that you voted that way and I'll keep saying I voted that way, and we'll just be like, arguing about it. That's fine. Well, that's what we'll just do that. Just keep them confused. And Yasha's like, okay, he's.
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B
He's half asleep. He. He was unconscious two seconds ago. And now he's being told a convoluted plan about a fake argument with.
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A
And then he goes in. But the thing is that Haley and Chuck were never interested in this confrontation in the first place. And so they tried to avoid talking about that vote situation as much as possible. And we never even really get to them arguing about the vote. Instead, Haley and Chuck just keep talking about anything else that will pro. That will pop up in their heads. Mostly about Angela and what Angela's been doing and how, you know, what Angela even talked about. Like, how, like that Chuck had said something about Yash. And we start to get to that now. Remember the day before or on. On Thursday night, or actually it was Friday night. Camu had managed to convince Yash to jump ship from Chuck and be firmly on Team Kamu so that they could throw Chuck under the bus, that Chuck could go on the block instead of Kamu. And he did this by throwing Chuck under the bus to Yash. And he told Yash about how Chuck had told Angela that Yash was saying his name. That's saying her name. And so now Yash is like kind of talking to Chuck about this. And Chuck is like, trying to explain exactly what he said to Angela about Yash. How like he didn't mean to say it in any kind of significant way. It was in a group setting. It wasn't like he was privately going to Angela saying that Yash is coming for her. And then Khan was like, I can go get Angela. We need to clear this up. In Kamu's later retells, he says that this is suggested primarily because he was like, this is going to be fun. If, if I get Angela, there's a hundred percent chance that this is about to blow up. And so basically everyone's like, no, you don't need to get Angela. That's fine. You don't need. He's like, I'll go get her. I'll just go. I'm just gonna go get her. And he goes downstairs to get Angela. Now, Angela, to this point has been freaking out, not only because she's been emotional from this morning, but because everyone watched Kamu wake Yash up and pull him up into the gym. So Angela's like, what are they doing up there? What is happening? Why are they, why are we not in there? What's, what are they doing in there? Why did they wake? We ash up. Who's, who's in there? And so now Kamu comes down and he grabs Angela. He pulls her up. And so she goes up there, and she goes up there like she is, like in Kafka's trial. Like, she is like, like ready to defend her life. And so before they can even really ask her any questions, she just goes, I, I, I did the, I did what I did because I needed to do it. And, and, and she says what hurts
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B
is I lied to. And that's something I'm dealing with right now, and I'll continue to deal with it the best way that I can. And my heart is breaking right now
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A
because I do care about you guys, and I didn't. I don't know.
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B
I don't know. And it doesn't matter. I don't even want you to feel sorry for me because I'm crying. It's bullshit, too. I don't want to cry. I'm not going to cry. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. So it is what it is. Take it at face value. It's like, what are you talking about? She just said, like, seven different things. And it's just so. It's so absurd to be, like, weeping and then say, but I'm not gonna cry. I'm not gonna do that. It's, I'm not gonna do that. Girl, are you okay?
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A
And they're trying to be like, we didn't even bring you up here for this. But she just keeps kind of rolling on and she's like. And I don't even like, it's, it's just like, I, I, I, I did it. And that's. And that's all there is to it. And it has nothing else to do with anybody else. And why is Yash even here? When did he get invited into the alliance?
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B
And that's this is the best part to me is Angela just keeps going. And like, I didn't know Yash was in the alliance. Since when is. Why is Yash even here? Why are we talking to Yash? It's like, Angela, the conversation that you are having is not the conversation that they set out to have. And then you're like realizing, wait, this is not necessarily the group of people I want to be doing this in front of.
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A
And they're really like, because we weren't talking about the alliance or the vote, Angela. We were just gonna talk about what Chuck said about Yash. She's like, what did Chuck say about Yash? What do you mean? I never said. Chuck said. I didn't say anything about Yash. Chuck was the one who said that you were saying my name, Yash. They were like, yeah, that's what we were trying to. And they're trying to, like, clear the situation up. And Yash is just being. Trying to be as chill as possible about it. He's like, listen, it sounds like it wasn't a big deal. You know, I'm. I'm not bothered by it if you're not bothered by it, you know, are you?
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B
And I am me.
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A
You are you and I. And me. And so they kind of quickly get through that part and then. But then it just evolves back into the vote and Angela and Haley and. And Haley's is still upset with Angela. And the way that Angela made her think that it was Hal, that it was D that voted that way. And D said, I did not vote that way. And Andrew's like, I did not say that. D voted that way. I did not say that. And. And. And Chuck is like, really? You didn't say that? And they keep arguing back and forth. And then we. We notice because the camera kind of cuts away and cuts back in. But before it cuts back in, it cuts to a shot of the door to the gym where Lala has been listening in.
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B
Yeah. Because a calm conversation. Right. Like, people are starting to get a little bit activated. And by people, I mean Angela. And so Lala's like. They brought Angela up. Like, what's going on in there? Can kind of hear it through the door. And thank you, Skippy, for providing us with that. That scene. They didn't have to do that. And they did.
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A
So Lala has been here and what the hell? She then tells Taylor what's happening. And then. Hold on, I don't remember what this one was. I can't hear that. I can't hear that. Sorry. We're not going to do that one yet. And so lala's like, they're. They're interrogating Angela about the vote. I feel so bad for Angela. Like, we've got to go in and rescue her. Like, this is. This is too much is going on. And so they're like, preparing to try to go rescue Angela. And as they're talking about that, the argument has escalated even more and the feeds are no longer on this conversation. So we now have to sort of like, give it to you via the retail that other people have. Have said of it, which is that as Angela continues to deny that she brought up these name at all, Chuck and Haley are like, you kind of did, though. And Angel's like, what? No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I didn't say Dee's name at all. And. And Haley's like, really? What did I say? And Haley's like, when we talked up in the balcony, I asked if Dee was the other vote. And you said, trust your gut. And at that point, apparently Angela stands up and goes, you motherfucking. No, I did not.
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B
I did not absolutely say nothing. But he's already been up in the Joker. Yeah.
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A
To give you Angela's retell of it. What the hell? No, sorry, wrong one.
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B
I can't hear that on tv. Because I was like, oh, well, fbbb.
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A
Oh, well. Oh, well.
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B
So nobody will be able to see that. Oh, well. I love Angela. Like, Angela going from, oh, I'm a wounded bird. I'm. I lied and I'm grappling with it and my heart is so broken to standing up and cussing her out to the point that. That she doesn't believe it will be able to be shown on tv. Just goes to show that, like, Angela was playing possum. Haley believes she truly is the boss.
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A
Yes. Fff. Bb Because I was like, oh, well, fb. Oh, well. Oh, well.
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B
See that? Oh, well.
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A
I just love that clip.
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B
I love, oh, well, the oh, Wells are so good. Lives run free my brain. But what I love so much about this is it's like, well, from all we know, Angela cussed Haley out, and Haley was Pikachu meme, shocked face. Did not really know what to do. But what's this? Haley, I thought you could be a to A if you needed to. So I'm just curious about.
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A
I will.
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B
It's interesting because it seems like she wasn't. It seems like someone was being A to her and she had nothing to say. No contribution. It's just not Adding up.
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A
So as this happens and Angela is. Is apparently screaming at Haley, it. It accelerates lala and Taylor's plan to go interject. So lala comes in and tries to Angela, come, come with me. And starts to pull Angela out of the room. And according to Yash's retell, Angela is still yelling at Haley as she's being pulled out of the room into the hallway. Angela goes as Lala pulls it. You son of a. You did not do that to me, ok?
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B
You did not say that. I really.
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A
I did not say that, bitch. You said you've done it, fucker.
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B
The best part of this is, Taryn, I feel like you were watching videos of people being rude to customer service representatives to perfect this impression. That's the vibe I'm getting.
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A
Who needs to when I can just watch Angela? She apparently poked her head back in to continue to yell until lala pulled her back again. And so, so. And then Taylor comes in, like, what is going on in here? And. And. And they just leave Chuck and Haley and Yash and D and Camu in the room at what. At which point De says, can you guys just give us. Can we just talk privately? And Chuck and Haley say, okay. And they leave.
- [42:32]
B
And.
- [42:33]
A
And then as soon as they leave, the three of them finally are able.
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B
Oh, my God, it's such a power move. It is such a power move to be like, hey, I want to talk to these two privately. Can you guys leave? Rather than being like, oh, hey, we're gonna go. No, the gym is ours.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Holy D.
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A
So then lala comes back and says, you guys come hoh room. And they go to the HOH room where. Where Angela is still a mess and so much of a mess that the feeds still can't even show her because they're worried about what she'll say. So when the feeds finally do come back into the HOH room, Angela has somewhat calmed down. And. And they're just like, trying to comfort her as much as possible and like, fully just bashing Haley. How dare she? She shouldn't treat you that way. Like all of this stuff. And. And they're starting to like, really pump Angela up. Like, you know, like, this is not okay. You shouldn't be treated that way. And. And. And even like, at one point, D was like, like, I mean, I can understand why Haley's upset too, but, like, obviously she shouldn't do it. And lala's like, no, no, nobody should treat you that way, Angela. And I was like, man, where was Lala in the love island house this season,
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B
they would have voted her out.
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A
And so eventually, Angela's like, yeah, you know, you. You guys are right. You know, like, it's. This is better. It's better this way. It's better this way because now I feel like the chains have been lifted. I don't have to deal with her anymore. And, you know, I can. I can just. I can do what I. What I need to do.
- [44:36]
B
It's. I'm sorry. The chains are lifted is so crazy. And like, Angela, you just cussed someone out to the point that you think it won't be able to be shown on tv, and yet you're still the victim here. Like, I get it. Nobody likes Haley. And so it's really easy to then just make Haley the bad guy in every conversation. And she has said a lot of insane stuff that she should not have said and has been kind of an. Not an aggressor, but, like, Haley's the one who, like, tries to keep her voice very calm, but is, like, clearly intentionally poking and prodding at people to get reaction. So, like, it's not like she's blameless and any of this, but, like, angel, what are you talking about? You're not a victim. You intentionally chose to betray one of your closest allies. You didn't have to do that. And then when. And then you told them, which you also didn't have to do. So, like, I'm sorry. She's. She. She's a victim of her own creation.
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A
It's just. It's such a classic case of, like, four hours prior, Angela was sobbing, saying, I'm so sorry. I need to come clean. I've done this terrible thing to you four hours later. How dare you not forgive me?
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B
Yeah, like, she did. She didn't.
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A
My.
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B
She didn't get the reaction she wanted.
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A
You,
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B
like, and again, like. And this is not me saying, like, oh, I hate Angela, or, oh, I. I hate. Think Angela's a bad. I think Angela is great tv, but I think, like, let's be so for real right now. Like, she. She went to go in, apologize, hat in her hands, and she didn't get the reaction she wanted, and so then she got activated. And that's. This is a grown woman. Like, this is wild.
- [46:37]
A
So. So De leaves. Kamala gets called to the diary room. Angela further kind of clears things up with Yash. She doesn't suspect him of anything. The Chuck comment was really not that bad in the first place.
- [46:54]
B
And.
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A
And everything is fine now as they kind of clear out downstairs in the kitchen. Lala is like, hanging out, and Haley walks through, and Lala is like, that was really ugly. And Haley's like, if it was really ugly, it was ugly between you and Chuck. Haley's like, okay, thank you. You're kind of welcome. But not really. Hey, it's like, I. I'm. I'm just trying to keep it respectful. Trying to just keep it respectful. This. This between me and you. Because I don't think there's a reason for it not to be respectful. I'm. I'm gonna. I'm just gonna respectively leave this. Respectfully, leave this conversation because I'm trying to.
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B
To.
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A
Not to get ugly. I'm not getting ugly. I guess that would be on your part as it was upstairs, Haley. So go ahead. Go ahead and go to your room. Keep it respectful. And Haley's like, I'm. I'm just gonna. I'm. I'm not. Not the. You know what? Fine. And she walks to her room, which was the bathroom.
- [48:09]
B
It's so. I'm sorry. So funny. This was like Lalo was cracking me up because, again, like, Haley is saying all the same things she always says, like, oh, I just want to keep it respectful. I don't want anything to get personal when it's like, she says those words, but that's not how her actions actually follow up a majority of the time. Right? Like, this is where have to be reading between the lines with Haley at all times, because the way she acts and the way she speaks aren't. They're not actually aligned. And so when she say, like, oh, I don't want it to get ugly. I don't want it to get disrespectful. Like, it is kind of an implicit, like, attack on Lala in that moment, because lala's just like, whatever. Like, I'm. I. I thought we were being real, but now you're saying you don't want to get disrespectful. You don't want it to get ugly. But, like, I'm not making it ugly. I'm not being disrespectful. And, yeah, Haley goes to her room, which is the bathroom, which I think is a beautiful metaphor for the season.
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A
Everyone loved the go to your room. But my favorite part was, you're kind of welcome, but not really.
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B
Yes, agreed completely. It was like, you're kind of welcome. Not really.
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A
Okay, get her ass. Finally go down for the veto, and they're down for a little while. When they come back up, we learn that the veto came down to Barrett And Kamu in the final round of the like little memory back and forth little pile puzzle thing.
- [49:43]
B
Yes. I do just want to say the one thing that happened before that was when Kamu went into the bathroom to kind of like reassure Haley and he like gives her the most half hearted, like Christian side hug that I've ever seen in my life. I was like, he does not like her at all.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I mean he is distancing in every way possible.
- [50:12]
B
Like it's literally like, oh, I'll give you a hug. And then it's like, okay. It was my. It was one of my favorite things that happened yesterday so I had to bring it up.
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A
So the veto competition comes down to Barrett and Kamu in the final round where Kamu wins the veto. Of all people to win the veto this week, Kamu who not only has completely turned his position around in the house without winning power, he has now won this veto after coming second on the wall comp after winning the quiz comp a couple of weeks ago. This guy, he's not missing in competitions. So this is, you know, pay attention to what's happening here with Kamu. But of course, as we know, Kamu is not planning to use this veto, but Chuck and Haley expect it to be used on them. Despite Chuck and Haley's assertion that they might not use the veto themselves. That was only to protect Kamu from being backdoored. The plan was, and it was said explicitly up in the gym, if Kamu wins the veto himself, he can take one of them down and maybe somebody like Drew goes up or something and that's great for them. So Kamu now has some explaining to do if he plans to not win. A plans to not use the veto. D in the meantime talks to Devin's and Angela a little funny side plot where D is like I don't think he's gonna use it. And Devin's like, that would be so stupid. Why would he not use it?
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B
Yeah. And, and just for some further context on Devin's for today because people might be wondering why has his name hardly come up at all. Devin's has his rash guard on and he is in the pool on a floaty. And we did get at the start of this update, Becca Devin said comment that Becca Devins would like to say she's proud of Devins chilling on his flamingo during all this drama when we get to that. And so just for the record, that is where Devin's has been. Becca Devins approves and I approve too because he did not need to be in there.
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A
I mean, he's just been chilling. Generally, it seems to me to be pretty clear that Devin's general strategy is do something big and then just chill for a while and then slowly build back up to doing something big again and then just chill for a while.
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B
At. At Blood on the Clock Tower, yesterday, Sam Phelan said he feels like Devin's accidentally became important at work. And I feel like that was very apt.
- [52:59]
A
Yeah. So Devin's is like, I really. I. I mean, why would he not use the veto on one of them? And he's like, I really don't think you will. In the meantime, Kamu's talking to Drew, who's like, listen, I know it's early. I don't want to ask. Drew obviously knows he's probably the Renam if Kamu uses it. And Kama's like, I'm not using it. He's like, that's. That's what I had a lot to tell you to try to convince you to not. But you're just not gonna. You're. I mean, it's early still. We can have a. We can have some conversations. I was like, yeah, I'm not using it. I'm not gonna use it. She's like, sick.
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B
Well, okay, cool.
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A
Good talk. And they're like, let's. Let's catch up. You know, it's been. It's been too long. Handyman. K goes up to the hoh room to talk to Lalon Taylor. He says, just to be clear, not using it. No, not using it. Great. I do want to, though, make sure we get our stories straight. And this is. This is the Kamu we know and know. He wants to come up with an excuse. He wants to. He wants a story. He wants a reason to not use the veto. So he tells Lala and Taylor, I need Lala. I need you to pretend like you're willing to nominate somebody if I use the veto. She's like, I'm nominating Drew. He's like, yeah, but I'm just like, you need to pretend like you're going to nominate somebody close to me. But I'm not. You know, you just pretend to so that I have a reason not use it. She's like, are you going to use it? I don't want you to use it. He said, no, I'm not going to. I'm not going to use it. I'm not planning to use it. I just need. Because they expect me to use it. So I need them to think that you're going to nominate. I need them to think that I think that you're going to nominate somebody close to me, like Devin's if I use it. Because I'm not nominating Devin's. Yeah, no, because you're not. You're not really going to nominate Evans. You're just going to say you're going to nominate Devin so that I can tell them, oh, she's going to nominate Devins. And then that's a reason for me not to use the veto. And then Taylor's like, yeah, but I don't want Devins to be upset about that. That's bad for Lala. And he said, no, no, we tell Devins, we tell Devins that we're going to do this. And they're like, oh, okay, yeah, we can do that.
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B
I'm sorry, this is such an absurd plan because, like, regardless of, you know what you want to do, like, Chuck and Haley can't both go home on Thursday. So by doing this, you're just saying, yeah, I value Devin's more than both of you. Sorry, like how. I don't understand how this is a reason that is going to really play well with Chuck and Haley. Although again, we have talked all season about how these are some dumb people, so it could be okay. But like for Kamu to have been saying all day, what bugs me is the lie. What bothers me is the lie. He sure lies a lot for someone who has such a problem with liars.
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A
I think the idea is that because Haley and Chuck were fine with the veto not being used if they want it, because they wanted to prevent Kamu from going on the block as a show of loyalty in order to maintain the numbers that they need to survive a vote. The idea is that Ka Mu, if he uses the veto, knowing that Devins goes up on the block, might burn Devin's and might show like that the alliance that they're no longer like, willing to stay on the block and willing to show that good faith. So the idea is kind of like, I'm like, let's kind of go along with your original plan, not use the veto, keep Devin's off the block, prove our loyalty to the, to the group. And then no matter which of you beats Barrett in the blockbuster, we keep the other one. We send Barrett home. And I think that's what's happening in Kamu's mind. But, but Kirsten, you're completely right. It does not work. He's the second he soft launches the idea of not using the veto to Haley and Chuck, they're like fuck this guy. He's not gonna use the veto on us.
- [57:13]
B
And like they're already not in the best mood. You know, Chuck was, he was the new sheriff in town kind of really leading a lot of discussion before the big blow up today. Haley is now feeling like she is the big victim of the season per usual. Like and then you get told your ally who you were willing to stay on the block for so that they don't get backdoored is not willing to take one of you off. It doesn't feel good.
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A
And what's interesting to me is that like this idea of like a decoy renom is actually very Survivor esque, right? Like you have like a decoy vote and that's something that Devins is very familiar with. Now Devins is informed of this plan. He checks in with Kamu and he, he, Kamu tells him about the gym argument, he tells him about the veto plan and he talks about wanting to move forward with him. D, Taylor, La La, Yash. All the same stuff he told D as well as telling him about the, the, the plan with again, you know, using him as a decoy. I and obviously like on Survivor a decoy vote is a lot more dangerous than a decoy renom because like there are two people in charge. Whereas when you're the decoy vote you might be the actual vote when you're the decoy renom there's no reason to pretend like you're a fake renom when you're the real Renom. But, but even just the notion that that Devin's would be a Renam does kind of break some of the illusion that the, the vets are untouchable and this is not something that anybody's really talking about in the house right now. But like I talked about it last season with Rachel that like Rachel had never been nominated up to, you know, basically when she was evicted. But like the second you start talking about Rachel as a nominee, the second she actually goes up as a nominee, the spell is broken that she's this untouchable force of nature that if you, if you do something to her your game will get blown up. That she helped create at the beginning of the season when she went after Zay and that exists right now in the house. Nobody really, even, even the notion of going after Devins was pretty spooky to Lala and Taylor at the beginning of the week and so they didn't decide to do it and this idea of like maybe they have powers and all this stuff. So just this Even being out there as like a fake plan still introduces the idea that it could be a normal thing to nominate Devins. And I think this is bad for Devins. I certainly don't think that it was intentional in that way on common part. But it's worth pointing out because I do think it does matter, especially given some conversations that happen later in the night. I think it's. It especially matters.
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B
Yeah. And I'm. I'm really looking forward to hopefully seeing a doctor from Devins about this exact thing because I think as well, even just having played Survivor before and the, you know, the prospect of the decoy boot on Survivor is like, you're still fine if that person goes home. And so I feel like that kind of could bring things up, you know, kind of emotionally for Devins, which he hasn't really been playing emotionally in Big Brother, but it could kind of unlock that. That side of him that has a little bit more trouble keeping the emotional out of the game. I don't know, but I'd be really curious to hear his unfiltered thoughts about it.
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A
Yeah, I mean, he doesn't say much about it yesterday, but. But yeah, I'd be curious to know if he feels any kind of way about it. In the meantime, these. These conversations do start to happen. Yash talks with Taylor about wanting to solidify with Kamu and Lala and Taylor agrees. Again, this is a four and they're actually. They're kind of annoyed that Kamu has already kind of exposed this 4 to D and Devins. They don't mind working with D and Devins for now. They're cool with them for now, but they wish that Kamu hadn't like, kind of gone and told them about stuff already, which again is part of what D intended to do when she went to Camus. She got him to open up about his relationship with Lala and Taylor and Yash. And now she knows and she's even included on. In on some of it, which is very, very good for her because while she has turned Kamu around, she hasn't quite turned Yash or Taylor around. And they talk about how as soon as Haley leaves and then they. And then Chuck leaves, the icons should be next. They shouldn't let all of the icons get to jury. Haley and Chuck go first, then the icons. That's what Yash and Taylor talk about at this point in the day. Now the day continues. Dee talks to the cameras and she. She has a lot to say. It's a long camera talk. These are biggest Cam talker of the
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B
season, which is thank you to Brandon Donlin.
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A
Shame on the other super fans. He says lying about the vote, it's not the best idea. Okay, it was not the best idea. I shouldn't have lied about the vote. But it was fun. It was just fun, that's all. The reason Lyric needed to go is that she had that conversation with Lyric and she seemed so reluctant to go after the red corner. This is the conversation I told Lyric about in our exit interview that it did seem like it was the one that sealed her fate and seemingly it was. She says she does really like Kamu and she does want to work with him moving forward. She also talks with Drew in the day about how Kamu is a really well rounded player, really dangerous. And so she's currently like on that boundary of like, he's a really dangerous player. But I do really like him and I want to work with him. And. And so she. What she doesn't like is that clearly Yash and Taylor and Lala are trying to pull him in. So she's very aware of this fight for Kamu's loyalty because if she removes Kamu from the Yash Taylor Lala group, the fact that they might be looking at the icons is a lot less threatening because if she's got Kamu, it's not as important. Comma is like the competitor right now. She does like Kamu. She did. She does kind of regret telling him about the power. She's like, I probably shouldn't have done that. I think I went a little too far. I shouldn't have told him about the power and I should have told Devins earlier about the power. That was also missed. And I'm just like, she's just knocking him, knocking them down one after another. I agree. I agree, I agree. Good mistakes to call out.
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B
She's very self aware.
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A
She says just because I won Survivor doesn't mean I can't be a stupid.
- [64:10]
B
And she's so valid for that. Like, I mean, we've seen lots of people who win Survivor that I think could be defined as a stupid bitch and I actually wouldn't include D as one of them. But she's allowed to be when she wants to.
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A
Yeah. And I know I won't survive her,
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B
but that doesn't mean that I can
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A
be a stupid bitch sometimes.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So she also says Taylor is very smart and she needs to go. She's very concerned about Taylor and I will tell you she is right to be concerned about Taylor at this point because Taylor is concerned about her, but we're not quite there yet. She does talk to Devin's about Camu and Devin's like, yeah, comma's really not using the veto. You were right. Sorry about that. I wasn't in the loop at that enough. Kamu talks to Yash late into the night and he talks to Josh about how he's like, yeah, you know how I was saying D and Devin's needed to be broken up. I don't really feel that way anymore. I actually think that we can work with them. I actually feel really good about pulling them in. I actually feel really good about D now. I feel really good about D. And it's so funny because Yash very clearly has almost like picture for picture the same reaction D had when. Yeah. When Kamu was telling D about Yash. He's like, really? That's great. Love that. I mean, you know, we can totally. That's like maybe a long term thing. You know, that's a later problem. We can deal with that. We don't have to kind of decide on D right now. But for, yeah, for now we can work with her. And he's like. And Kamu's like, yeah, yeah, totally, for sure. I mean, yeah, for now. But I do, I'm feeling really good about it. And so, so Kamu feels good about Yash, he feels good about D and Yash doesn't feel good about D and D doesn't feel good about Yash. But this is a very, very clear indication, if it wasn't clear already that Dee's conversation with Camus worked really well and he has firmly attached himself back to her. He is confirming it with Yash. He wants to pull her in. He is telling her information about what they're doing and, and this is all working fine. Taylor, though, talks to Lala and she's, she's realizing she's thinking through this and she goes, why are we talking about Chuck going next? Chuck doesn't need to go, especially if Haley's gone. We can keep Chuck around. Chuck can be somebody we can use to take to take on the. If the icons are next after Chuck, why are we getting rid of Chuck at all? Why not use Chuck to go after the icons? The icons are. Should be next. Like next week we should be taking on the icons. Evans needs to go. He's going to Dan us. We can't let all the. And this is something they've been talking about for a while. Every single week, the icons are up here. Like it's their hoh room. Every single week. We need to get on this. And I'm like, yes, Taylor, you're completely right. Why are you saying it now? This is the HOH week. You're not. You're not guaranteed to have another. You know what I mean? I feel like it's a good sentiment. It's a little late. It's a little late. Especially now that you've nominated Chuck. I don't even know if you can use him. I don't know.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's tough because, like, for us watching, I love to see it. I love that we're setting up for a battle of Taylor vs. D for the house and for commu and for, you know, setting the scene for how the season is going to proceed. That's so fun. As a viewer, as someone who likes to think about the strategy of the game, it's like, Taylor, why didn't you say this before? Noms, why didn't you just get. Why don't you just get lala to put them up? Why not just put him up?
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A
Yeah, it's just like, because, listen, to be clear, I love this from Taylor. She is really smart. She does know the direction the game should go, and the icons absolutely should be the next target for her and her group. The problem, I think, is that next week, who would win HOH and do this? It's literally her and Yash and that's it. Nobody else is going after the icons and who are the icons? Starting to look at her. And Lala don't love that. For her, this is a little dangerous. And this is. This is the danger of, like, hoping that you can wait, hoping that you can make like an incremental shot and. And listen, at the end of the day, I'm not mad at lala's HOA train targeting Haley. Haley was in the way. She really was like, if you don't target Haley, Haley's a problem even if you do target the icons. And of course, we know that if they had tried to target Devin's, he had the diamond power of veto, and they were aware of that too. They didn't know about diamond power veto, but they knew that he had a power of some sor. And so again, to be clear, I'm not really faulting them, especially in this moment, especially under these particular circumstances, just the overall sentiment and idea that often occurs, which is, I will do it next time because that's what everyone's gonna think. Everyone's gonna have that thought. The next HOH is gonna have that thought too. Ah, not me, maybe next one. And then before you know it, it's often too late, but it's still very interesting and I'm very, very curious to see what happens with the Taylor Yash Lala group, especially with Kamu now in the mix. Now, when Kamu was on board, this might have worked, but now that D has won Kamu back over, the war for Kamu really is the war for power at the moment. Although, of course, you know, the next HOH still matters a lot. And where does Chuck fall in all of this? Can they win Chuck back? Because that would be a huge get. And then of course there's the FAP of it all, who you might have noticed. Not a lot to talk about when it comes to FAP this week.
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B
I the bet. One of the best parts of the day yesterday is it's like, you know, you're watching the feuds, you got an eye on social media and my feet on Blue Sky Gym. Fight gym. Fight gym. Fight. Angela. Angela. Angela. Angela. Angela. Angela. Mallory and Melody in the storage room. Lady in the tramping and Apple and everyone being like Biblical Yuri. Biblical Yuri, look, what are we doing?
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A
Listen, we've known this, it's happened before. These tether punishments, they really just take people out of the game for however long they are chained to one another. It, it happened to like terrible effect with Siri and Felicia. It's, you know, when Taylor was, was changed, she was hoh. So like, you know, was. There was still some game talk to be had but like, it really just takes you out of the game. You can only really talk game with the person you're chained to or the people who hang around you. Mallory and Melody are completely sidelined for the entire week. It's actually really bad for their games. But you might, you might call it good to be out of the fray, but it also means that they can't be like, while all this chaos is happening, they're being left out of like they were potential people to be brought into the new Taylor Lala Yash group. But D managed to. To sneak her way in because they, they were chained. Like there's nothing. They're like hanging out. Drew's just trying to stay off the block. Barrett is on the block. And so the whole group of them are just kind of chilling and not doing a whole lot. And, and so, so that's happening. And, and where do they fall in all of this? Because they are looking like Drew. They. What they do talk about is Melody, Drew and Mallory talk about Camu and how he apparently is not using the veto after not being nominated. He definitely made a deal with Taylor and Lala. Right. He's definitely working with them. They're very concerned about where comma sits in the game. They're looking at Kamu a lot and so it's very, it'll be very interesting to see. They are a block of 4. Like because the house is very like separated now you have FAP kind of on their own island, four people. Then you have the icons and then you have this kind of new group of Taylor, Yash and Lala. Haley and Chuck have been chucked away and Camus is kind of sitting in the middle of the icons and the Taylor, Yash, Lala who did not come up with a name because they don't like, they don't care about names and that's very frustrating. Guys, think about us.
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B
Well, why, why don't we make a name for them?
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A
I don't have that power. It's that, is that, that the, the, the community needs to come up with the names. I, I came up with Roman Empire. I was happy with that one, but I'm sure I didn't come up with. I'm sure somebody else came up with it.
- [73:57]
B
I think that was a parallel thought situation for sure.
- [74:00]
A
Yeah, yeah. It's not an original thought whatsoever, but I tried to spearhead that one because I liked it. But like I, I have no idea what I would name Yash, Lala and Taylor. But, but you, that's a trio. There's FAP is four, the icon's a trio and what was the Kamu, Haley, Chuck trio has been completely separated and one of Haley or Chuck is likely about to leave. So that's basically done with. So the question is if Haley leaves, who picks up loan Chuck and what happens with Kamu in the middle of the icons and the Yash tailored Lala group? Where does he fall? Does he keep their connection or do they actually go to war? And what happens with this four person group of FAP which is essentially two couples who are getting closer and closer and closer as time goes on. The only problem is they don't really win anything except Mallory has won some things. Drew won a blockbuster, but they're kind of looked at like they're not really very dangerous. So it's an interesting sort of setup for this house as we move forward and I'll be curious to see where things go. Of course, I do think the vets are still in a pretty good position here, especially because FAP are not looking at them. They're looking at Kamu. But. But this Yash Taylor connection, very, very good. Yash has pivoted really well off of the loss of Lyric and being on the wrong side of that vote getting in with Taylor. If they just real. They just need to keep Kaamu from falling into the clutches of those. Those vets again. If they can do that, they're in a really good spot. It's just. He made some really, really good progress yesterday, so we'll see how it all goes.
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B
Yeah, that's, you know, big day tomorrow.
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A
They're all big days.
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B
Yeah. Every day gets progressively bigger, actually, as you go through the season.
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A
Yes. Anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday, Kirsten?
- [75:57]
B
Joshua's kind of coming for your job. Taryn, when he was retelling the gym fight and he was doing a good job. So we'll have. You'll have to have him on a re.
- [76:07]
A
On an update, like I said, genuinely, because the feeds cut. We had, like, I had to go off of Yash's retail. I mean, Yash and Kamu, their retail of. Of what happened. They. They did the retail, like, multiple times throughout the day. So, you know, it's. That's. That. That's, you know. Well, yeah. Oh, sorry. I also forgot, of course, Angela's retail.
- [76:31]
B
I can't hear that because I was like, oh, well, fbbb.
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A
Oh, well.
- [76:36]
B
Oh, well. Nobody will lose. Oh, well.
- [76:39]
A
What's really. What's really funny is that completely parallel to. To this without knowing how Angela described it. Josh and. And Camus also described it as like, f, F, f, F, F
- [76:56]
B
I. Since when are we not allowed to hear swear words on the live feeds of Big Brother?
- [77:05]
A
They want to make the show
- [77:08]
B
just. They can bleep it. It's fine.
- [77:13]
A
How are we going to get a clip of the update on Unlocked if we're swearing all the time?
- [77:18]
B
Oh, my. Well, I listen, it's never gonna be the update with. With me, so it's fine. Also, like, Chuck was giving Haley, like, a pep talk kind of later in the evening, and he is just like, you're the kindest one in the house. All the other girls are just intimidated by you. And I don't know if that's what he really believes or if he just knows that's what she believes and is, like, mirroring it back at her. But I was like, he's lost in the sauce. Like, honestly, get him. We don't do that here. Get him out.
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A
Yeah, and there was a lot of talk about, like, trying to get Angela and Haley to kind of reconcile as well. Like, Haley loves you on a personal level. And so they're gonna. They're gonna talk at some point and try to. To reconnect. So we'll see how that goes. But that is about it for today. I will, of course, be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern, to update you and everything that happens today on the Big Brother 2028 live feeds. If you want to watch back the gym argument, I was on Patreon streaming. I have the whole thing, the reaction to it and, and. And everything that was happening there. So there's good stuff over there if you want to check out my Patreon. And of course, tonight I'll be live as well, watching tonight's episode. And we'll have a podcast afterward. All kinds of content coming your way. Kirsten, what do you got going on?
- [78:50]
B
I'm so sorry. I remembered one more thing I wanted to say before I do my plugs. It was very funny when in the pool, when Lala was telling Melody that she needs to get a filter. And Melody's like, this is me with the filter. Because that was very relatable to me personally, because I think people would be shocked to hear that I have a filter. But I do. You should hear the things I don't say. But yes, you can follow me everywhere at Kirsten said what? Including Twitch tv. Kirsten said what? And I am currently fundraising for. In October. I'm running a 5k for breast cancer research. I've done this the last several years. The link to donate is in my pinned skeet over on Blue Sky. If you have even a spare like $5, every little bit counts. So if people. I know money's safe for people these days. If you have extra $5, donate it to breast cancer research. And thank you so much for having me, Darren.
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A
All right, well, thank you for being here and thank you to everyone for joining us here today. I will see all of you next time.