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Taryn Armstrong
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Maggie Morgan
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Taryn Armstrong
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Maggie Morgan
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Taryn Armstrong
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Maggie Morgan
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Taryn Armstrong
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Maggie Morgan
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Taryn Armstrong
Every morning. Tearing arms, strong talk, big brother. Looking at the stuff from yesterday. All the drama, all the strategy and silliness from pho to hoh
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Maggie Morgan
every single season.
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Taryn Armstrong
You know he is the reason you know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for July 14 I'm your host Taron Armstrong, and I'm here to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother 28 live feeds. It was day seven in the house and we had a replacement nominee. We had some. Some ratting of information and we had some coordinated outfits. So with me to talk about it all is Maggie. How you doing, Maggie?
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Maggie Morgan
Hi, Taryn. Oh, I'm so great. We are back, baby. What, what a time we're having. I got my wish. We have cracked old people in the big brother house. I love it so much. I can't wait to get into everything with you. This is. This is going to be a great, great update.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes, yes. I. I don't think I'll wear the sunglasses the entire time, though, because, yeah, we're both.
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Maggie Morgan
We both decided ahead of time. We were like, let's just put on the sunglasses for the effect and then, like, we can take it off when we talk.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yeah, I don't have to read my notes on a screen with sunglasses. So dark. All right, so here we are, of course, in the Big Brother 28 house. Diaz, the HOH, Mallory, Taylor, Yash as the nominees and Mallory, of course, won the veto. Now, there's a lot of interesting stuff to do here, including the fact that primarily as we talked about yesterday, Drew was in a long conversation with Jason and Melody the night before where Jason was dumping all kinds of information on Drew about how he is basically very anti that, including a lot of specific information that Drew is going to be able to use potentially against Jason if he were to tell. And as I sort of talked about yesterday as the update was happening, he was already starting to tell d about it all. So that's a big plot line through the day. Of course, we also have the replacement nominee to be chosen once Mallory uses the veto on herself. That's been pretty heavily angled toward Ashley. There was maybe some question of like, oh, will this information potentially change anything? And then just really some more sort of like alliance building and relationship building stuff happening as people start to settle in for the week.
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Maggie Morgan
Lots of shmoopy talk from a one lyric Rome. You know, I. I will say, you know, I always love early in the season when I am on an update because I watch all day rather than, you know, going in and out. And I feel like I've listened to you for the past couple of days talk about these people and now I've actually watched the way that they interact with my own eyes. So it does color some of what is going on. You know, obviously you can get from your amazing reporting, you can get all of the information, but, like, to really understand the social dynamics and the way that the people move and why perhaps people are gravitating towards one person versus another. I think, like, I recommend everybody even just take an hour, sit down and watch the feeds, really watch them talk, because you can kind of understand, like, I was like, oh, I get why people maybe are feeling this way about Haley, because I find myself moving away from every time she's on the camera, you know, and not to be unkind or anything, it's just sort of like who you find to be more dynamic, what's really exciting to you, et cetera.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes. 100. Especially in the early portion of the season, there's so much information that it's. It's, I think, especially hard to convey the. More, like, social dynamics of it all. Like, I can talk about Haley annoying them, but I can't spend, you know, 15 minutes doing Haley to explain it to you because that would be an inefficient use of my time. Unlike toward the end of last season when I could really get into. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's an interesting thing. And. And you really do, like, when you watch it, you really see. And I think Drew is going to be a good example of this today when it comes to whether or not his information is believed based on the way that he's conveying it. And I'll. I'll do my best because that is pretty relevant. But. But there is. Yeah, there's so much there, which is why. Why we love live feeds. So let's talk through what's going on here. So we do pretty quickly get some conversations. There is Rome is gonna talk with D a little bit in the morning about trying to get Haley nominated. There's a little bit of Kamu talking to D about, like, could Lala be nominated? Kamu backs off very quickly. Rome also is, like, not going to push too hard. Ultimately. There's not, like, a lot of meat here. But there is a more interesting conversation. When Jason, of all people, talks to the. Prior to Drew, letting her know about this stuff going on there, he talks to her, you know, about, like, potentially working together, about, like, hey, you and me. And, you know, Drew is kind of in and out of this conversation. Like, we should be keeping an eye out for each other as Latinos. Like, I. I like this group. And. And the thing is, Jason's not lying about this country. He is anti vet, but he's relatively pro D and he Obviously likes Drew a lot. So this is a genuine conversation from Jason, but it's about to be kind of, like, undercut immediately by the fact that Drew's gonna rat him out about what happened the night before. Mm.
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Maggie Morgan
And I think that what I've seen from Jason and Drew, like, first off, I want to say I think Drew's playing really well. I think if I was in the house, actually, the person I would want to work with the most would be Drew, just based off of watching him play yesterday. We'll get to the conversation that he has with D, like, alone in the hoh room later. But I think that this is, like, a perfect example of Jason. And of course, we don't know what happened in the first four days when we didn't have feeds, but I think Jason over estimating his relationship with Drew, that's not really built on any sort of, like, game talk that they've had and just them liking each other. So he feels like he can trust him with, you know, these, like, sensitive game information things, you know, saying, like, he was not being truthful with Angela and that he's really going after Devin's. And I think that it truly is just like an overestimation of the bond that they have and a miscalculation there.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes, 100%. I mean, I think that Jason has, I think, to this point, found a lot of success in building these individual relationships that he has and in tricking the people that he's been tricking. He's successfully been tricking Angela into thinking they're close, successfully been tricking Devins into thinking he likes him. And so he's, as he's starting to, like, expand his sphere of influence, he's finally kind of running into some traps. And. And Drew is certainly one of them. So Drew does tell Jace or does tell D about parts of his conversation with Jason the night before. It is kind of like a brief conversation with D, which is gonna a little bit come back to bite him because he lays out more detail with Devins and Angela. And just to set this up immediately, like, in Dee's mind, there's a little bit of inconsistency between what was told to her and what was told to them. There's not really any inconsistency.
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Maggie Morgan
The thing is that Drew only told D about what he thought was the most relevant, which is that Devin's would be backdoored by Jason, like, immediately he's like, this is the information that you need to know, like, as quickly as I can tell you. And Then I'm going to get out of here. Versus, the story he tells Devins and Angela later is, you know, the full entirety of what the conversation was. And it's much more personal than what he shared with Dee, which was strictly game. Like, he's coming after Devin's kind of thing.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes, exactly. But. But Dee gets some of that information also. Funny enough, Jason comes and talks to Drew to be like, hey, don't worry. When we were all in the room, Dee didn't feel comfortable talking game with you, but I'll make sure that you're good with the Drew, I got you. Which, again, like, the funny thing is that Jason, I think, believes that's true, but it comes off as a bit manipulative when Drew's like, I. I probably talk way more game with you than you do. So interesting stuff there. Melody and Lyrics are going to be talking throughout. Throughout the day. There's at least, like, three major conversations between them. I'm gonna queue it up now and then kind of like dump it all later. But, you know, the. The Melody, Lyric and Mallory trio was a thing, except Melody wants Mallory out and insane. There has been a bit of a distancing between all of them because they've been trying to know, ditch this trio label, but Melody and Lyric are gonna come together and sort of reconnect and talk more and more and more about building an alliance. Matt, Melody really wants to build her alliance, and. And now that she's had this conversation with Jason, the. The Jason, Drew, Melody connection was named like the court jesters she's talking to Lyric about, like, hey, maybe, you know, I like Jason, I like Drew. Could we maybe make something happen there? This is the early portion of that conversation, but just queuing it up here, because they're going to later talk even more about building something and actually start to build something.
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Maggie Morgan
Yes, exactly. And wouldn't it be smart if you would bring Mallory into something like that, since she's proven that she can win some competitions and she doesn't really have anybody else in the house right now.
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Taryn Armstrong
Nah, she can't keep it together. She cried when she was nominated.
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Maggie Morgan
Let's see how you react to being nominated, Melody, and then we'll revisit this. We'll revisit this conversation. I don't know. Also, I think, like, for whatever reason, and I could be totally wrong in this, you messing up Melody and Mallory's names also makes more sense now that I listened to them on the feeds, because they sound exactly the same to me. Like, it was sometimes I would think Mallory was talking, and then I would look, and it would be Melody, and I was like, oh, okay. Like, they have kind of the same timbre of their voice. Am I crazy or. No, I feel like that's a thing.
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Taryn Armstrong
It's not something I've particularly noticed, but I'll be on the lookout for it now.
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Maggie Morgan
Yeah, let me know. Because I. There was a couple of times where I thought it was Mallory talking, and then I would look, and I was like, oh, actually, that was. That was Melody talking about, you know, philanthropy from sororities and things.
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Taryn Armstrong
I. In my own brain, I'm like, am I really this bad at these two names, or is it just that I'm probably saying their names in succession way more than most people? And I am honestly not sure.
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Maggie Morgan
I don't know either, Taryn. Maybe next time I'll have a stronger opinion for you.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. So Drew is gonna talk finally with. With Devins and Angela.
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Maggie Morgan
Are we to.
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Taryn Armstrong
To really?
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Maggie Morgan
Sorry, is this before or after the conversation with D and Jason and have not room.
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Taryn Armstrong
They do have a longer conversation. Yeah, that's. This is after. So if you want to talk about that.
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Maggie Morgan
Well, I just wanted to say they, like, come up with an alliance name, their cafe con leche, because they're like, coffee and, you know, the leche, and they have, like, a whole little thing that they do. And Jason, in this conversation, I feel, again, like these missteps that he makes because he's telling D, like, I have this person, like, they'll listen to me. Like, I have them. And I think it's him trying to make himself seem valuable to like her as an alliance member. But I would. Any future big Brother players, I would really warn you against saying, like, I have control over somebody else, because that type of language getting back to anybody in the house, even if it's true, they don't like it.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes. And a worthwhile addition as well, because this connection, I think, is an additional reason why D Ends up being a little bit skeptical of Drew's information is that not only has she been queued by Angela, that Angela's like, I'm not sure I trust Drew, and that happened the night before. But in addition to that, she has a very good relationship with Jason, and if it turns out Jason is fervently anti Devin's and Angela, then that's annoying for her. Like, that's not good information for her to take in. It's. She's incentivized to want it to not be true. Although, you know, the incentive Only goes so far because if it really weren't true, that means Drew was really playing, and she's in much worse position if Drew's lying to that capacity. So Drew does go and talk with first Devins and explains his conversation with Jason the night before. And this is what we talked about on the round table last night. That not only did did Jason, like, reveal his true motivations, because that's one thing. And given the amount of skepticism toward Drew and this information, he. He might. Jason might have gotten away with it if he had only talked about how, hey, Devin's and Angela are dangerous. We might need to do something about that. Maybe we should be targeting them. But in addition to just saying how he felt in that sense, he was also dropping these heavy details about his whole plan to woo Devin's over. I thought this was, like, going to be, like, some side plot, and now it's, like, really concrete information for Devins to have to be able to sort of see that Jason orchestrated this plot to create slop. Cupcake, cookie cakes, Rice Krispie treats. Rice Krispie treats. And. Right, right, of course. Rice Krishna cheese. And for, like, the. For his daughter's birthday. And, like. And then he's gonna, like, win him over. And. And it worked. The night before when Rome, you know, slipped up and told him ahead of time, he was, like, emotional over it. And so for Drew to be able to come in and know, hey, this was a plan. He told me about it because, like, Rome was like, oh, I shouldn't have said anything. Which means that Jason obviously had told Rome. Means that Jason had also told Drew. Like, Drew probably wouldn't know about this otherwise. And then in addition to that, when Angela joins an even more specific piece of information that Drew is able to drop on Angela. And unfortunately, while it's specific, it's also, like, really hurtful. And that's going to, like. It would be much better if this information was maybe more game specific because, you know, having such emotional information is. Is. Is more difficult to hide, especially if you're Angela. But he's able to tell Angela, hey, Jason told me about your conversation where he cried to you and you really bo. And then you, like, hugged, and then after you left the room, he looked at the cameras and gave a face,
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Maggie Morgan
and it was like this.
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Taryn Armstrong
That is exactly. That is exactly how she reacted.
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Maggie Morgan
And.
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Taryn Armstrong
And I. I have to imagine that. That it was the conversation we've seen in the episodes, or at least one that was very similar to it, where Angela really, like, opened up to. To Jason and They. They really had like a bonding moment. And it reminds me actually of like Rachel and Keanu when Rachel would have these, like, conversations with. They did have like a good conversation once early on. And then afterward, every time they had a conversation, Kiana would be like, like, I believe her. But. But this is almost even worse because it was like during the emotional conversation that Jason did that. And this is Angela we're talking about. So it's like, this is like heavy stuff to drop on her and she's pissed. Job site moved. Your crew needs four more rooms tomorrow. If you booked on your own, you could be left high and dry. But you booked with engine, found the right hotel with one click and avoided cancellation fees because Enjin lets you do that too. Yes. Change, no charge. Enjin free to join flexible. When plans change, teams travel spend managed head to enjin.comflex to get started.
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Maggie Morgan
First thought is Devin's made the point perfectly where he's like, this isn't even game stuff. This is like our life stuff. And so they're automatically going to be more upset because both of them talked about their kids in these conversations. Like, this has to do with their children. So this is automatically just going to upset them, you know, in whatever way. And for Jason, like, this is again, just like one of those classic Big Brother rookie mistakes where you want to be the mustache twirling villain. It's like you're like the villain who is telling the hero, like, you have them right where you want them and you tell them your whole master plan and then somehow they escape, like, win the day because they know exactly what you're going to do. Like, all you had to do was do all of this and not say anything to anyone else. Like, all you had to do was say something in the doctor rather than say something to the other house guests. But it's that thing in Big Brother where the ego can sometimes get in the way. And I have a lot of empathy for Jason here. Like coming in as a reality TV vet, like you guys were talking about last night on the stock watch, clearly being like, oh, okay, I guess I'm not categorized with them. I guess I probably didn't make as much money as they did. Also, you know, Jason has shared with everybody, like, he realized very quickly he was the oldest guy here. This was before Devin's came in, but he was the oldest guy here. He was the only gay one. He felt like he was the biggest guy here, like, the least athletic. And I think that it's been really hard for him in these first this first week. So I think that there's a lot of compensating that he's been doing, trying to, like, tell people, no, I. I am playing a good game. Look at all of the stuff that I've been doing. Like, I. I have these people in my back pocket. You should want to work with me. But these are the mistakes that get you in this position where suddenly your game is all out on the table and everybody knows what you're doing, you know?
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Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, it's just. It's a lot to be able to drop on them, and it was a lot forger to drop on them. And I said this last night. Drew's bedside manner is not great. Like, he's. And I understand why he's trying to be as efficient as possible. They're doing this in the hot tub room, and people are kind of coming in and out. And so he's kind of being a little quiet as he does it. He's trying to be like, how? Let me make sure I remember all of the information so that I can make sure to tell all of it to you. And while he's, like, trying to remember all of the bits of information, Devin's and Angela are busy, like, having an emotional reaction that he's not really reacting to. And then soon after, he's able to get all of the information out, he's like, okay, now I should probably leave. So this doesn't look suspicious. And it's just like, unfortunately, like, these little things can matter, and we're going to be talking about, like, this skepticism of Drew. I don't think this is going to be a huge deal in the short term, necessarily. And that means that he's got plenty of time in the long term for this to not be a big deal either. But it is, like I said, I think last night and yesterday, like, it is, like, the biggest crack in this power structure that exists, and they need to be careful about making sure they don't make it bigger, because this is an incredibly powerful structure, and he's a
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Maggie Morgan
really important piece of it. Like, he really is. And, you know, he. He is not without other options. He has plenty of other options. People are telling him things. People are coming to him. And I do think, like, this is his age a little bit or his excitement about playing Big Brother and being like, I'm in a secret alliance. I'm going to go and dump all of it on everybody, and then I'm going to leave. And you see Barrett come in afterwards, and, like, have that gentle touch and, like, really try to calm things down with Angela and Devin's. But Devin's is able to recognize how valuable Drew is. Like, he keeps saying over and over again, like, it's amazing that he's telling you this stuff. Like, thank you so much. We're in such a good spot if they feel comfortable saying this kind of thing to you.
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Taryn Armstrong
100%. Yeah. So after Drew leaves, also useful, actually to mention that Lala also came up in this conversation because Lala is in with Jason and feels similarly about Angela and Devin's. And. And. But somehow this, like, ended up kind of spinning around to Haley because I actually don't remember the exact turn of the conversation that got it to Haley.
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Maggie Morgan
This was earlier, though, in the day, like, Angela was in the kitchen talking about how she felt like Haley was trying to pit her and Lala against each other for good tv.
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Taryn Armstrong
Right. And so I think what happens is, because Drew mentions Lala as part of what Jason's talking about, Angela immediately connects this to Haley and what she was already thinking about with Haley, about, like, trying to pit her against her. And then I believe Drew also then was like, oh, yeah, I think I heard Haley say something about that, too. And. And so now in Angela's mind, you know, turns out lala doesn't like me. And I thought I really liked lala. Haley's trying to pit me against lala, and now Jason's completely playing me and playing me for a fool. And, you know, remember, to this point, Angela's been like, is this what it's like? This is so good. I have friends, I have allies. I have people I can trust. It's good that I'm. And, like, Devin's like, yes, it's good we're getting this information. We clearly have, like, ears everywhere. But this one's going to be tough for Angela to get over because it's, I think, giving her flashbacks to a time when she spent 70 days with everyone not liking her and not including her. And the idea that she's been so thoroughly fooled by two people that she really liked is. Is really going to be, again, difficult for her to sort of manage over the day.
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Maggie Morgan
She. She's starting. She's starting.
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Taryn Armstrong
So after Drew leaves, she's like, that motherfucker. Not about Drew, about Jason. And she's very, very annoyed. Barrett quickly joins them.
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Maggie Morgan
She is so perfect. Oh, she is perfect. I love. I love Angela. And I've always said, like, on her season, I would hate playing with Angela because she is so unpredictable and so emotional, and she's so, so perfect.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yes. Barrett quickly joins them and. And they tell him what Drew just told them, and he's like, oh, wow. Oh, wait a minute. You know, now that you're saying this, it's reminding me of a couple of days ago, I was in a conversation with Jason, and I didn't think much of it at the time because I thought it was maybe just a jokey thing. But now in this context, he was like, you guys think Angela's a Karen?
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Maggie Morgan
Just like, what she. Again, she's like, Wow. Planting those seeds. Planting those seeds.
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Taryn Armstrong
People really need to watch the video version of this podcast to see Maggie's facial impressions of Angela because they're pretty spot on. So. So that's adding fuel to the fire. Barrett, of course, I think, is a. Is able to be a bit more sort of emotionally supportive of the learning of this information. So. So that's all going well. And then, you know, the rest of the day prior to the veto ceremony plays out pretty quietly as we await what seems to be the inevitable, which is Ashley becoming the replacement nominee.
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Maggie Morgan
Yes. And there's just a lot of, like, at one point, you get a cam talk from Dee in the morning, being like, I've taken no time for myself. I have to go out there and continue to be fake. I just want a moment, but I can't do that. And all right, I'm going to go out there and be fake now, everyone. All right, Are you happy? And she, like, goes out like she already ready. We're not even a week in, and I can see, like, she clearly did not talk to siree long and hard enough about this situation because she is really, I think, starting to feel the fatigue of not being able to walk down the island a little bit and take a breather for herself.
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Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. So bees go down for the veto ceremony. They come back up, and in fact, Ashley has been nominated as the replacement nominee. Funny that there was a time we thought this was going to be Melody and that Melody was basically a goner. Instead, Ashley takes the hit, and Melody spends the day building an alliance. But Ashley, now on the block, she has, up to this point basically been the very quickly became one of the more de facto evictees here. Against Yash, it's probably Yash, but against Taylor, it's probably Ashley, although probably does a lot of work there, and there's still plenty of conversations. I'm actually not going to go too deep, I think, into the Ashley vs. Taylor of it all, primarily because it's still Evolving pretty rapidly. But, you know, I'll give you the. The general updates as we go with Ashley on the Block. Feeds came back, and we saw a conversation with Rome and Lyric. The showmance. As Lyric has officially now made the next step of telling the truth about her actual profession. She has told Rome that she is a lawyer.
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Maggie Morgan
Yeah, thank God you. Thank God you watched this one, Taryn.
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Taryn Armstrong
So you're not actually a singer? No, no, I'm a singer. I'm a singer. Oh, I was going to be really upset if you couldn't sing. Turns out you're a smart cookie, huh?
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Maggie Morgan
Oh, and later, like, I. I've seen conversation about this online, and people were saying, like, when was the last time? We just opened the feeds, and people were like, fully just showmancing at, like, this. And I would say it's giving Jess and Cody a little bit. It's giving a little brunch. All where people in the house when Branchell first got together were like, it's been three days. How is this possible? And I feel similarly watching Lyric in Rome being like, how is this possible? And the funniest part of all of this, like, my big contribution to what my opinion of their relationship is is that Melody and Lyric, at one point later in the day were talking about it, and Lyric goes, eldi, I have to tell you. Like, I have to tell you a secret. And Melody's like, what? She's like, I think I'm. I think I'm really starting to fall for him. And it's like, I hope so.
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Taryn Armstrong
Catching feelings.
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Maggie Morgan
Yeah, I. I certainly hope so.
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Taryn Armstrong
They. They both are. And Rome basically, like, straight up says, like. Like, I'm not gonna lie, kind of. I kind of care more about you than the game. And I believe him fully. They both are playing. But, like, I just. I. I want to try to continue to make this clear despite the corniness of Rome in general, that I. That I will continue to make fun of. I. I think that, like, they are. They are really, like, locked in. Like, they. They're like, I really like you. Like. Like, they are. You know, in. In Love island terms, they're no longer just closed off. They are basically boyfriend, girlfriend. They've already taken that step pretty much. Like, this is. This is. This is very solid.
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Maggie Morgan
Yes. And I have noticed that he has been getting along pretty well with the betas and the submissives. A lot of them like him in the house. So I do think that he was. He's living up to what his strategy was going to be, you know, it's very true.
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Taryn Armstrong
I would love.
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Maggie Morgan
I would love to hear who he thinks are the betas and the submissives. I think that. I'm just saying, like, pretty much everybody enjoys him other than, like, I don't even know.
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Taryn Armstrong
All the alphas don't like him. The betas and the submissives. Like, the ro. Like Rome. He's. He was not lying.
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Maggie Morgan
I kind of like him, too. I'm sorry, guys. I don't know.
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Taryn Armstrong
There's a beta submissive.
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Maggie Morgan
How dare you, Taryn? How dare you?
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Taryn Armstrong
Listen, that's the litmus test. Do you like Rome? If yes, you are a beta and submissive.
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Maggie Morgan
Did I change my name to Maggie? Beta, submissive. Oh, my God. I. I kind of think, like, look, I like the fact that he's, like. Seems to be just himself. Like, he's not like, him being like, I care about you more than the game. Like, at least you're saying it, you know? Like, at least you're. I don't know. I would rather that than somebody be doing all of that and then still trying to dictate what's going on in the game and be kind of like a jerk about it. I feel like Rome is happy to be there, happy with his girl, being pretty much nice to everybody. Like, I don't know. I. He's growing on me. I kind of like him. Yeah.
- [35:47]
Taryn Armstrong
So. So Drew is gonna have a conversation with Mallory, and this is, of course, pretty interesting because Drew's kind of starting to be more integrated with Melody and her crew. And despite Drew's prodding to maybe include Mallory in some things, Melody doesn't really want to, but he does talk with Mallory and. And, you know, just asks her what she's thinking. She says she wants to keep Ashley. So, you know, Ashley does have some support. Like I said, you know, there's. There is some talk to be had about Ashley versus Taylor. I think we'll really start to lock in more sort of, like, talk and analysis on that vote in particular in the coming days. Just because people keep changing their minds without even saying they're changing. Like. Like, people will literally be like, I want this person to stay at one hour of the day. And then later they'll be like, I've always wanted this other person to stay. And it's like, what do you. Wait, what? So don't take any of it too seriously yet. Other than the fact that the crossovers are still seemingly sticking to Yash. First, Ashley. Second, Taylor, safe. But even that's not, like, a complete consensus, so so stay, stay tuned for that one. Yeah, yeah.
- [37:17]
Maggie Morgan
And Yasha's on the campaign trail during the day talking to everybody. Not sure that he's getting really anywhere, but at least he's trying. And the consistency of being out there and talking to people in a situ a week one situation like this, where a lot of the house still is sort of fluid, like obviously we have our locked in group but they're like more a secret. And then we have the red corner, which is less a secret, but with sort of the amorphousness of the rest of everybody. I think that there is room if you're like out there playing hard and campaigning for people to turn, change their minds.
- [37:56]
Taryn Armstrong
Yes, 100%. And like the, the, I think the biggest thing is that like, because all three of the people on the block are pretty connectionless except for maybe like Taylor with Lala. Like Ashley doesn't really have anyone. Yash doesn't really have anyone. And so for many of them it's, it really is just like, what do, what do we want for dinner tomorrow? Like, you know, I could do pizza, but I've never had a burger before, so I don't know, I might want to try that. Like, it's really, it really doesn't matter for most of the people in the house and so they're all just kind of keeping their options open for the most part. I think.
- [38:43]
Maggie Morgan
Totally. I do think if I was in there and I was trying to be smart, I would pick someone that it matters to me that they stay and I would work my ass off with them to make it known to them that I am working really hard for them to stay because they're all connectionless so I can be their connection. And I think that like, even the fact that nobody's really done that, like Melody clearly wants to keep all of her options open and that includes like ditching her allies, her even being like, well, I want Ashley to stay. She's not even working as hard as she maybe should be. And I think that like this, if nobody does this, it's a huge missed opportunity within the house and the power structure here.
- [39:35]
Taryn Armstrong
And what I will say too is that like, even when we were rating the nominees last night, it was, it was tough because they, none of them are doing anything like super wrong. In fact, Yash even stepped up yesterday and was doing some decent campaigning. Ashley has done some decent campaigning. Taylor's been doing some great campaigning. And that's also part of why things are so up in the air because, you know, like, you'll have one great conversation with Yash and be like, actually really like Yash, and I don't think he has anybody. Maybe I could keep Yash around. And on top of that, any one of the three could win the blockbuster, meaning there's no one person that's guaranteed to, like, be going, which means you're incentivized to have these great conversations with each nominee and to have a good relationship with each of these nominees. And so, yeah, a bunch of them are like, take your pick. I have a good relationship with all of them. I've had a great conversation with all of them.
- [40:39]
Maggie Morgan
I think that, like, the thing to do. I agree with you, Taryn, but I think as it gets closer, keeping all of your options open, like, you should just plant a flag and go for it. I'm a huge advocate of this always in Big Brother, plant your flag and decide who you would like to stay so that you can maybe try to get some votes around you. Also. It's a great way to show you have influence and power in the house and show people are willing to listen to you. That if people are going around and being like, I don't know, I kind of want to Yash to go if there's a conversation that you're not in and they're like, oh, well, you know, Maggie was talking about, like, this reason, this reason, this reason that he should stay. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's the tides are kind of moving away. Like, I, I, I don't know. I feel like it's. If nobody is doing that come eviction night, it's a missed opportunity.
- [41:31]
Taryn Armstrong
I agree. So Drew continues his conversation with Mallory. She talks about how she might nominate D with people like Kamu and Haley. And, you know, she doesn't want to, like, have a war with D, but, you know, she does feel like it. You know, it's valuable to potentially put up a person and put her up and all that that she's talked about. Drew does the not super subtle when you know what he's doing thing of like, yeah, you know, I do feel like the vets, they are big targets, though. They could be pretty valuable to us to be using as shields because people will come after them instead us, which I, you know, just, I guess. Quick tip. Nobody says that unless they're working with the vets. No, nobody says that or thinks that unless they're working with vets. It's not, it's not terrible argument. It's just only not a terrible argument if you're the one working with.
- [42:29]
Maggie Morgan
Yeah, I. It's not a terrible argument to keep a big target in the house, but to keep a big target who's a vet, who's done this before, who's done some type of games. Somebody like D, who's literally one survivor and is considered to be the most dominant winner of the new era. Like, she is not Angela, you know, like, it is very. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [42:50]
Taryn Armstrong
I mean, like, think about, like the person who said this the most last season was Morgan, who was the most interested and the person who was working often with Rachel early on in the season. So they also. They talk generally about, like working together. They talk about the hot tub crew, which is like a lot of these people, like herself, Melody, not Melody, Lyric, like Barrett, like that kind of grouping of people that, you know, they feel like are the outcasts to some degree. There's the cool kids, which is like the red corner. There's the vets, and then there's even like, you know, Rome and. And stuff is kind of like he's got his own thing, but they're more
- [43:39]
Maggie Morgan
the red corner, you know, the cool kids.
- [43:42]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah.
- [43:42]
Maggie Morgan
So funny. It's so funny.
- [43:46]
Taryn Armstrong
Then Drew goes in and talks to D right afterward. And this did not go unnoticed as well by Mallory that he went and talked to D right after their conversation where she was talking about putting D on the block and he was saying that maybe she shouldn't be targeting D. Not the best timing in the world there. And this conversation, I did mention it last night. It was awkward. I would say it was. It started fine. It started with like the, like, oh, thank God it's us again. And I've been talking about that, like every time somebody in the cross overs alliance gets together, they're like, oh, wow, thank God. This is so much nicer than having to talk to other people. But the. I think the thing is this time that they actually had a lot of time alone. And. And then it was like, wait, theoretically this is a relief, but I actually don't know how to talk to you.
- [44:47]
Maggie Morgan
And it was really. It was awkward. And I kind of was after, like later in the day when, you know, Angela's having this distrust with Drew. I was like, no, because the really, the. The information was truthful. But I do understand how he came to this conclusion because he was being weird, he was being sketchy. Like they were talking about. I can't even remember who they were talking about. And he was like, what do you think about them?
- [45:16]
Taryn Armstrong
Haley and.
- [45:17]
Maggie Morgan
Oh, Haley. She's like, so what do you think about Haley? And Dee was like, well, I don't like her. Andrew was like, yeah, yeah.
- [45:25]
Taryn Armstrong
She was like, well, so she says, I don't. I. I don't like her. And he goes, oh, really? Why? And. And, like, you do that if you. If you're surprised and disagree, right? Like, oh, I can't. I don't know why you would dislike Haley. Tell me why you dislike Haley. And then she. She is kind of taken aback by that because everyone else that she's talked about with Haley has instantly been like, me too. Oh, my God, isn't she so annoying? And then, like, both bond over all the annoying things Haley does, but Drew is kind of like, oh, why? Forcing her to kind of be like, well, I. I mean, like, unsure. Venturing into this. Like, well, now I'm gonna tell. Like, she's kind of annoying. And, like, why do you. You. You like Haley? And he's like, no, no. I also think she's super annoying, but
- [46:19]
Maggie Morgan
also says the exact same language that Dee uses. Like, doesn't add anything of his own to the conversation. And then she was like, well, why didn't you just say that? And he was like, well, I didn't want to say. I didn't want to say that first. And she literally has to be like, no, we're in an alliance. This is a safe space. Like, what?
- [46:39]
Taryn Armstrong
And that's the thing, too, is that, like, when he says that I purposely didn't say anything first, it now makes it feel even more intentional that he, like, put her on the back foot by going, oh, really? Why? Which is like. It's just. And it's. This is not the only time this happens. So she's like, hey, you can tell me anything. And he's. He's like, oh, sure. I'll give you something. I think Lala is annoying. And. And she's like, okay, great. But then as the conversation continues, it happens again when he's like, what are you thinking in terms of, like, the vote? And she's like, well, I was kind of feeling like, like, Ashley should go. And he's like, oh, really? Why? And she's like, oh, you want. You want Taylor to go? And he's like, no, I want Taylor to stay. She's like, you do? So then why are you asking me why? Like, what's hap. And it's just. It's. It's just not. They're not flowing here.
- [47:44]
Maggie Morgan
I think what's happening genuinely is deep. Probably makes Drew nervous. Drew's a big fan. He really likes her. He wants to impress her, and he's just, like, nervous. I think that that's what was going on. And he spent more time with Devin's, and they, like, kind of have this thing, you know? But I think that, like, Dee is powerful. She's beautiful. She's, like, really smart. He really wants to make a good impression and work with her, and he's. He just is, like, a little awkward around her, and he is. I want to say, like, I liked so much of what Drew was doing yesterday. Genuinely. Again, I said I would want to work with Drew in the house. Like, I. I think that he's a great person. Like, he's doing great. It's just in this conversation, I was like, yeah, no kidd. Later, like, if I was D. In this conversation, I also would have been like, what the heck was that? That was bizarre, you know? Yeah.
- [48:46]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. And I think maybe to be a little bit fair to Drew, I do think that D had some walls up based on her conversation with Angela the night before. And again, probably a little bit of, like. Like, incentivized skepticism for not wanting his Jason information to be super true. But either way, it was a. It was a weird conversation, for sure. So. So that happens. After that conversation, Yash comes in and talks to D about, by the way, Drew keeps asking D who she wants evicted. And her response, because, like, she. She contributed to some of this awkwardness, for sure. She's constantly just like, well, I don't have a vote. Like, yeah, well, you know, we're allies, and, like, your opinion matters. She's like, well, but I don't have a vote. And it was, like, really weird. So then Yash comes in, and he's. He's like, like, hey, I just want to make sure, like, I've got your support. And she's like, well, it doesn't matter. She said. He's like, well, if. If it's a tie, you. You vote. You break the tie. And she's like, oh. He's like, so, like, I would love it if. If. Like, if you could break the tie to the event that happens. And she does agree to do this, but then pretty much immediately runs to Taylor and says, oh, by the way, I now realize that there's a tie. There's a potential for a tie, and I had to lie to Yash and tell him that I would keep him, but I would really keep you correct.
- [50:20]
Maggie Morgan
Move on, D. Great work. If that's. If Taylor is the person that she is, you know, wanting to work with over Yash, which it definitely seems still like that is where her head is at.
- [50:32]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. Then Angela, while playing pool with Devins, lets him know that she is a little skeptical of Drew's information that she talked to D. And D got a different story from Drew, so they can't really trust it. Devin's though, is basically like, oh, wow, really? I mean, it's a lot of really specific information for it to all have been made up. But let's talk to D. Yeah.
- [51:04]
Maggie Morgan
Devin's at least like. Yeah, I, I think that I'm really interested to watch this dynamic play out with Devins and Angela because I, I'm outing myself here. I did not watch Devin's first season. I did not watch Edge of Extinction, but I did watch 50 and Devin's worked with all of the like, analytical type players. Although I would argue Emily Flippin is pretty emotional. But, you know, but I think that he has worked more heavily. At least I've seen him. I don't know who he worked with in Edge of Extinction. You can please fill it, fill in my gaps. But I'm really interested to watch him work with somebody like Angela because I think that it's going to make him flex muscles that are in a different. A different muscle group than he usually does when he plays these types of games.
- [52:05]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. And I think doing well in this conversation to like, not immediately dismiss it while trying to like, steer Angela back to the right path. But it was a very brief interaction. At the end of the day, like, Angela is still moving different with Jason and Lala because I think she does believe it's true. It's just that she doesn't want to believe it's true. And she already didn't trust Drew. And if Dee is also backing her up that there might be some inconsistencies, then, then maybe there might be some inconsistencies. But at the end of the day, like, the truth of it, like, the, the, the spirit of it has to be true to some degree. And I think she recognizes that.
- [52:53]
Maggie Morgan
She also was asking Devin's like, his opinion on if she should talk to Lala or like, address that she feels like people are putting. Pitting them against each other. And Devin's is like, well, I think maybe don't do that. But I do think, like, talk to her in general and if it comes up, you can bring it up. But I think, like, putting in more facetime with her is the move right now, rather than going to her and being like, hey, Lala, I think they're pitting us against each other. And I think that there's a conspiracy against us, you know?
- [53:25]
Taryn Armstrong
Yes. And Jason realized that Angela was acting differently through the day. Didn't seem to make the connection with, like, oh, I told Drew, and now Angela's acting different, but. But we'll see. Because he remembered it. Therefore, if it ever comes out that Angela knows, he might remember back to, oh, well, I first noticed her acting different that day, and I had told Drew the night before, not everyone has that kind of specific, like, date memory connection. But, you know, the fact that there was a marker placed down here is. Is worth noting.
- [54:02]
Maggie Morgan
I'm also a little less concerned about it because he has been running his mouth about this to, like, true. A lot of people. Like, that's the problem when you tell the same story over and over and over again. If it gets back to the person that you're talking about, like. Like, you don't know where it came from, you know?
- [54:21]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. All right, so I want to kind of dive into. Combine a couple of Lyric and Melody conversations just to sort of, like, keep it all together, please. They talk more about building this alliance that they're interested in building Lyric. So it's obvious it's gonna be the two of them, and they want to try to build out, like, who else do we want to include in this alliance we want to build? And Lyric mentions that she really likes Barrett and she's catching feelings for Rome, and Melody feels really good about Drew, so. So Drew and Rome make a lot of sense. Every time Lyric brings up Barrett, Melody keeps going, like, yeah, but we want to make sure we have a core. You know, like, we want to make sure we have a core. And then people on the outside of the core, that would be like. Like, if we're up against Barrett on the block, like, Barrett goes home, and then, like, then they start talking about Jason. They both really like Jason. And then Lyric brings up Barrett again, and. And then Melody again says, yeah, but we do want a core. So clearly, Melody does not want Barrett in the core of the alliance, which is very funny because, again, like, Drew is using Melody as his parachute, and Melody is now talking about building a core with Drew in it where there are parachutes outside of it that include Barrett, who's also using Mallory as a parachute after Melody abandoned her for no reason.
- [55:52]
Maggie Morgan
I also think, like, okay, we're just going through these, like, rookie mistakes that people are making. Melody knows Big Brother. Clearly, she knows strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if she's listened to you, Taryn, because she's talking openly about this onion strategy. The issue is that that's something that just naturally happens because of relationships. Like, Derek was never talking to Cody and Beast mode cowboy and being like, we are the core of the onion. Like, who else do we want? Like, that explaining it in that way makes it so sterile, and people feel so much less, like, involved, you know? And I also think that that, like, really, like, means that you can't be flexible in a lot of ways. I just think naturally you're going to make a core if you have a big alliance, like, start talk, like, you can still have your core, be Drew and Lyric. Like, you just got to put in the elbow grease to make that happen. You don't need to be explaining to everybody in the alliance how alliance structure works.
- [57:11]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah, well, they. They do talk about this core. Melody says that she is a little bit worried about Taylor because basically what happened the day before is that Taylor had told them Yash was the one spreading the thing about them being a trio. And Melody started to think about it. She actually had a conversation with Drew and Devin's about it. I think Devin's. It might have been Barrett, where she was like, yeah, I was told this, but I'm actually realizing, like, that could have been a lie. Like, she's on the block against Yash, so she might have just been lying about that. And so they're becoming a little bit concerned that. That Taylor was maybe just lying about that because they have a decent relationship with Yash. They have a good conversation with the Ash throughout the day, and by the end of the night, they're starting to feel better about Yash in general. In fact, better about Yash than Taylor herself. And they're starting to feel like maybe we can include Yash in this group if he ends up staying. And. And maybe they are part of keeping him stay. So Yash making some good progress there. Ultimately, the core kind of forms around the idea of Lyric and Rome, Melody and Drew, which is a good actual core. Would be better if Drew was not slippery Snake rat. But. But, you know, good, solid core. With the addition of people like Jason and Barrett and maybe Yash and others as, like, people outside of the core. The two of them, Lyric and Melody, are the hottie harmonies
- [59:00]
Maggie Morgan
because Lyric, Melody, because it's music. Yeah, we're. As this, like, update is going on, I feel like I've been talked a little bit more. Like, I feel like I came into this update being like, oh, Angela and Dee, like, I need you to believe Drew. And I'm now In a place where I'm like, totally, they should believe Drew, but also like, their weariness of him. Like, he. He has some rat floater upside here if there starts to be warring factions, you know, he has.
- [59:36]
Taryn Armstrong
What I would say is he has many, many options.
- [59:40]
Maggie Morgan
Yes.
- [59:41]
Taryn Armstrong
So far, from what we've seen, he is fully, like 100% loyal and has been doing everything possible to keep. Keep crossing crossovers in a good place.
- [59:55]
Maggie Morgan
And they should be making him feel confident that they are home for him.
- [60:03]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah.
- [60:03]
Maggie Morgan
You know?
- [60:04]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. And that's. And that's the thing, right? The fact that he has options is not a reason to be paranoid about him.
- [60:09]
Maggie Morgan
Yes.
- [60:09]
Taryn Armstrong
Because the more paranoid you are because the person has options, the more you will end up pushing them toward those options.
- [60:15]
Maggie Morgan
Yes.
- [60:17]
Taryn Armstrong
The more options they have, the more you want to be open, armed terms with them because you don't want them running off to those options.
- [60:25]
Maggie Morgan
Okay. Yeah. No, I don't know. I'm. I'm having fun with Drew. I think that he's really interesting and I'm. I'm excited that. To watch him play some more.
- [60:35]
Taryn Armstrong
Yes. Worth noting as well. That lyric in particular, I believe, mentions that she believes that the Red Corner doesn't know the name. That, that Chuck, Camus and Haley are working with the vets, Angela, D and Devins. And she is 100 spot on. I mean, at this point, the Red Corner has recruited Angela. They just haven't told Angela that there's already an existing alliance that already includes D and Devins. But those six are in the. In the eyes of the Red Corner, that is a six person, essentially group. So it's a pretty spot on assessment. And, and the main thing is that there are people like Drew keeping the vets from being nominated 1, 2, 3. And instead focusing them more on the cool kids. Meaning the Red Corner trio.
- [61:32]
Maggie Morgan
Totally.
- [61:33]
Taryn Armstrong
Listen. They're the cool kids, Maggie.
- [61:35]
Maggie Morgan
No, I know. It's just. It's just funny. It's. It's. Every season is just funny.
- [61:42]
Taryn Armstrong
So that happens throughout the day. But another thing that's gonna happen, Rome, Jason and Lala, Mama's Angels, they spend a lot of time up in the gym and, and they're. They're a very funny, funny group. Like, as they're up there, like every time they hear a noise, Rome will just start acting like he's teaching them how to work out.
- [62:07]
Maggie Morgan
And they are. For the, for the record, they are, like, working out hard and like cheering each other on. They are like, they literally. They're like, Jason is like pumping Iron. And they're like, one more. Like, they're really. They're very encouraging. I don't know. I was very much, like. I was like, oh, God, I would be so intimidated to work out with them. But everybody knows that they're up there together.
- [62:33]
Taryn Armstrong
And Jason is, like, up there like, oh, hey, Rome, by the way, I was talking to. I don't remember who was talking to. I was talking. It might have been like, kamu or something. And I was telling him, like. Like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna get Rome to work me out until the apprentice turns on the master and takes him out. But I was obviously just saying that to. To them. So, like, when they come to you and try to convince you that I'm against. You know, that I told you already and, like, play it up and be like, oh, oh, yeah, well, then we'll see if that happens. So that they think we're against each other and. And all this stuff and, like, downloading information and talking strategy. But. But here's the thing. It did not go unnoticed that the three of them spent a lot of time up in the gym. The problem is that there were more people added to that. They weren't quite there the whole time or really at all. But Angela, who is now newly skeptical of Jason and Lala, starts to go, that's the group. I've got them because I didn't get
- [63:41]
Maggie Morgan
invited to work out. I didn't get.
- [63:45]
Taryn Armstrong
She notices that they're all up there, but. But. But believes also that, like, essentially that, like, the trio of girls went up there too. That, like, Mallory and Melody and Lyric were up there, and there was this whole big meeting that happened for hours and hours. And she is not going to be subtle about starting to share this theory with people.
- [64:08]
Maggie Morgan
She says, well, I just. I watched them all get summoned. You know, it's really interesting a day like today in the house, when you watch everybody go, you know, go get summoned. They think I'm an idiot. You know, I. I watched it happen earlier. Didn't you see it. Didn't you see it happen earlier? I watched it happen earlier.
- [64:23]
Taryn Armstrong
People are saying Angela's at the table watching them right now as we speak in her sunglasses. In her sunglasses. I see a photo of her in her sunglasses.
- [64:36]
Maggie Morgan
Oh, my God, she's perfect, Taryn. She's so perfect.
- [64:41]
Taryn Armstrong
She's. And you can see, too, that she's starting to lose a little bit of patience. So, like, there's this thing happening. Of course, as I mentioned, that the red corner is recruiting Angela, but they're not telling her about D and Devin's and Angela's talked to D about this. Like, oh, they're trying to recruit me, but they're not telling me about you guys. But now that she's like, she's getting all this, she's starting to lose some patience with it. She talks to Haley and she's like, haley, just, just tell me straight, like, who else are you guys working with? And Haley's like, oh, I mean, well, I feel like we have a good relationship with Dee maybe. Okay, who else? I mean, I don't know. Like, come on, who else? What's going on? It's like, well, I mean we feel, you know, we think we feel good with, with Jason and you know, maybe Devin's or maybe not, I don't know, maybe Devin and like Haley really not wanting to give up the goods here and, and, and Angela's just like really trying to get like she, she wants to be, she wants somebody, I think outside of her alliance to be truthful with her and not be like playing her or hiding anything from her because she thought that she had that with people like Jason and Lala and now she clearly doesn't. She's being recruited into this other alliance and they're also still not being upfront with her. And so I think that's continuing to frustrate her.
- [66:13]
Maggie Morgan
Angela's like core wound, I think, in the Big Brother house. And you know, for her to figure out the way it goes into the rest of her life is between her and, you know, whatever. But like, she does not like feeling tricked. I think she's terrified of being tricked, which is why we got low budget movie, you know, like she wants to have the last word. She wants to be in control. She wants to be the one who is. Knows what's going on. She wants to be the one who gets the last laugh. And I think that she found out Jason was laughing about her behind her back. Lala, I guess, doesn't like her. Now all of these people are leaving her out. Hate. Like this is just really, really like she, like I said earlier, she's starting.
- [67:10]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. And she starts to hint to Haley about her conspiracy about there being a big alliance. And, and she also starts talking about wanting to be somebody who potentially takes Taylor out of the game over Ashley and then has a conversation with Yash about working with him, him and how she really feels good about him and tells her, sorry sir, tells him about her alliance theory about the, the gym and everything. And so Angela in particular is really starting to veer off course in terms of not only sort of like the game plan, but, but also the, the vote for the week that, you know, she sort of has her own ideas of where she might want to go, which is not a huge deal because nobody has super strong feelings about it. But Devin's I think in particular is starting to worry about Angela. And we'll, we'll, we'll see that a little bit in his conversation with D
- [68:06]
Maggie Morgan
later, as he should. Like I, I, I have said seven times on this podcast, Angela's perfect. Working with Angela in the Big Brother house would be my nightmare. She is so much to manage. She is so much to manage. And you never know which way her gun is going to point. You know, like, she seemingly out of nowhere, people, you know, get hit with the Angela. So I would be very wary of working with her as well. But she, like, she's perfect. I love watching her. She's one of my favorite Big Brother players maybe of all time at this point.
- [68:48]
Taryn Armstrong
Well, the thing I'll say about Angela this time around is that like, obviously last time the big thing was that like she, she basically imagined that people were playing her. This time she has like full confirmation. Again, I, I think I, I really need to emphasize how much I think she's hurt by the Jason information in particular. And so like, you know, she has like real, actual confirmation of some of what she would self describe as paranoia to, to incite what already exists as, as she says, paranoia. And so she is, I think for, for the most part, like doing a pretty good job of containing it, considering what her in inclinations seem to be. And so it's just gonna be like, can she hold this in? Will her allies be able to keep her from like, you know, as you said, like she talked to Devin's about like, should I go confront them? Devin's like, no. So we'll see. Because she has been playing well and I do think that if she's able to contain this, she can continue to do. So just take the information and, and use it.
- [70:06]
Maggie Morgan
So say she wins HOH on Thursday night. Is she probably for her game, is she immediately going to in the backyard start yelling, screw you, Jason. I knew you were talking about me. Pack your bags. Like, are we gonna get that from Angela?
- [70:25]
Taryn Armstrong
It's, This is the. If you ever hear the three claps of death, you know that Angela has signaled the end of her game. All right, so Drew has a quick conversation with Devin's that was interesting. This is of course post Angela telling Devin's she doesn't. She thinks that there might be some inconsistencies with the information. I don't think Devin's really believes that at all. But he. He talks with Drew and talks about how, like, he feels really good with Drew and he. And he really likes Barrett and Drew says, honestly, that's how I see it too. Like, when it comes down to it, like Final 5, I see it as a 3v2, meaning Drew, Devins and Barrett versus D and Angela. Of course that's way down the line and I would never do anything prior to that. That's just sort of like, sort of signaling that that's sort of how I see it. And Devin says, me too, me too. But again, Devin's is kind of like. But very far down the line. So worth pointing out here that this conversation happens. I don't fully believe, of course, that that Devins is telling Drew the truth in terms of, like, who he's most loyal to right now. Certainly I think Devin's is obviously most in with D. He has the. The most like, open conversations with D. But it would not surprise me at all if Devin's enjoyed the idea of being at the center of this five and having options and maybe even like, when it comes down to it, do I want to go to the end with D or do I want to go to the end with like a kid like Drew?
- [72:23]
Maggie Morgan
You know, he said Devin said in his doctor like, let's face it, D is better at these games than I am. Like, he knows that she is an amazing ally to have, especially in the beginning because she is so good, but that taking her to the end is a huge gamble about if you'll be able to beat her. Like, that's the thing about all of these social strategy games is you want an ally that you can rely on and you can trust who's good at it for as long as you can have them until you can't beat them anymore, you know. So I do think that this is way down the line. Like, I think Dee and Devin's will be locked in maybe even until final seven, Final Six, like I would see. But I think Drew saying this to Devin's and Devin's agreeing, like, melody, take note about like, the way to establish any type of core, You know, maybe wait until you're a week into working together and say like, I love you and I, this is what I want. You know, like, maybe that's the way to go.
- [73:38]
Taryn Armstrong
Drew also talks to Rome through the night as they start to solidify this four this. This core four with Lyric and Melody. Drew and Rome have already had a good relationship. Drew had already talked to Rome about, like, maybe we need to let Yash go. And Rome really does care about his relationship with Drew. This is something that has been developing, and. And so they are starting to confirm and come together about this idea of locking in with Lyric and Melody. We'll see what happens with that. Of course, Rome also likes Lala a lot, and he also mentions liking Devin's a lot, which obviously, like, works for Drew because Drew also likes Devin's and has said so, but I think is also because of that chess conversation that they had a few nights before. And so there's a world where Devin's kinds of gets invited into this kind of group as well in some capacity. And so now it's really starting to shape up in terms of a real solid, like, side of the house, where you've got Red corner over there, you've got this Rome, Drew, Lyric, Melody, core over here that includes Devin's and Barrett on the side. And through it all, still, you have Angela kind of not being included in so many of these things, which is part of why she's feeling the way she is and part of why it might continue to make her feel the way she is, especially if she finds out about this grouping that's developing that she's not a part of and that Dee is not a part of as well. D also being a little bit skeptical of Drew, so we'll see where this goes. It's actually, I think, a very good thing in general for crossovers, but it does require that, you know, they keep Drew on side and not push him away by not believing information.
- [75:32]
Maggie Morgan
Yes. That's why I'm saying, like, he's valuable and he has rat floater upside, and he knows a lot about you, so if you make him unhappy or get him targeted, he can spill so much about you. So maybe keep him happy for now. You have to be delicate with it. And Angela is not somebody who's known for being delicate.
- [75:54]
Taryn Armstrong
Yes. So finally we get to Devin's and D having a chat. D kind of opens with her distrust of Drew. She does not believe fully the information about Jason. She feels like there were some information inconsistencies in the way that it was told. But Devin says, I disagree. I think that it would be pretty ridiculous to make up what he. I think Devin's was a little surprised that Dee actually was believing this, and I think he feels like it's Angela's fault for introducing this concept to D, which to some degree it is. She brought it up the night before. So he basically says, I disagree. I think the information is good. And I think Angela is starting to get a little paranoid. I think that, like, Angela is really starting to be a little too concerned about the Lala situation. She keeps talking about the Lala situation and. And I think also trying to imply to Dee, like, if this skepticism of Drew came from Angela, I don't think you should take it at face value. And so they kind of quickly move on. Although they do come back around to this idea that Dee is a little concerned.
- [77:04]
Maggie Morgan
Drew later landed on that with Devin's.
- [77:10]
Taryn Armstrong
Where. Where do I think she landed? It seemed as though that. I think that the ultimate conclusion was where they should come to, which is like, if we're worried about Drew at all, then let's try to make him extra feel good about where he stands and stuff like that. That will. Will D actually do that. Will Angela actually do that? Is maybe another question. Devin certainly will, but. But I don't know necessarily, like, from what I'm seeing, one of these potential weaknesses in this game as we move forward, because we're trying to find any, is that she does seem to have to put in a lot, lot of work to keep face with people she doesn't like. It's like a struggle for her. It's a. It's very expensive in terms of energy output. And. And that's a problem because she doesn't like most of the red corner. Any of the red corner alliance, which is a huge power base for her. And if she doesn't, like, get to liking Drew, like, that could also be an expensive output for her.
- [78:23]
Maggie Morgan
Yeah.
- [78:24]
Taryn Armstrong
That if she slips at all, could be a big problem. So. So I'm curious to see how she manages these relationships with people that she does not care for moving forward, especially when she's not hoh.
- [78:35]
Maggie Morgan
I imagine if I had a crystal ball and I know Dee, Dee will get the alliance she wants. So I think, you know, Drew and Devin's being like, it's us, you know, like, we're the power base. Maybe that's like the energy that maybe D is picking up on a little bit from Drew and Dee will make sure that she's in a good spot. Like, D is not going to sit on her hands and let herself be in a rocky spot in an alliance. So I think, you know, maybe not now, maybe not in these next couple of weeks, but I think by the time we're hitting the jury phase or like, we're right about to hit the jury. Phase d will have the alliance that she wants. That's my.
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Taryn Armstrong
I think so, too. I think she's like. It would not surprise me if red cornered dies as early as next week if none of them win hoh and very few of them are planning to win. So I thought they were the competitors, Taryn.
- [79:38]
Maggie Morgan
I thought they were the cool kids.
- [79:41]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah. I guess it's worth pointing out here. And I don't mention this every time it happens because so many people say this all the time, but there are a ton of people in this house saying they do not plan to win the week two hoh. Like, a ton of them. Rome, Kamu at one point, Chuck, like, a bunch of these people who feel like they're in a pretty good spot do not plan to win. And pretty much all of them need to.
- [80:05]
Maggie Morgan
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
- [80:09]
Taryn Armstrong
All right. So they continue. D and Devin's continue to talk. They both like Barrett a lot and they. They, you know, he's, like, good with both of them. Yash is still their target as of right now, pretty much followed by Ashley, although they've flirted with the idea of shifting that to Taylor Again, this is kind of still a little bit up in the air. Finally, detox to the cameras, and it's a fun conversation. I recommend checking it out. Basically, though, game wise, she tells us Devins is still her number one, Angela is her number two for now, and then Barrett would be her number three. Not surprising information by any means. Although people did, like, really enjoy what she said about Barrett, like, being her nerd, given their flirtation.
- [81:01]
Maggie Morgan
People ship.
- [81:03]
Taryn Armstrong
They do. They do. All right, Maggie, anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday?
- [81:10]
Maggie Morgan
You know, I think we really covered it all. We didn't even really talk about our outfits, though, and why.
- [81:16]
Taryn Armstrong
All right, everybody.
- [81:17]
Maggie Morgan
Everybody put on some jorts and it's a black tank and. And danced around the backyard. Classic big brother stuff, you know?
- [81:27]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah, it was. I think the thing that made it funny was the, like, the method with which it was revealed where, like, at first it was just Drew and Barrett who were like, in a tank. In a black tank. Dorts. And I was like, what are they this? What are they doing? Like, they. I like. Okay, funny bit, but, like, the two of you should not be showing that you're a duo like this. But then, like, Kamu comes out wearing the jorts in the tank and then, like, Jason comes out and then everyone starts putting it on and it becomes this big thing and it's very fun. So Good stuff. And. And the. The question is being asked. No, I am not wearing jorts. I. I actually do not own any.
- [82:16]
Maggie Morgan
Also, like you guys, I. It's how we're an hour and 18 minutes into a podcast. You think I'm gonna sit here in jorts? This is a soft pants activity. Come on. Come on, guys.
- [82:27]
Taryn Armstrong
Yeah, so. So, yes. So that's. It's good stuff. Funny stuff. They also did a big birthday celebration for, for Devin's daughter. And, and there's a cute video of them watching it at home.
- [82:42]
Maggie Morgan
Yeah. I was about to say his wife posted a sweet video of her reacting to it and she was very excited. It was really, really sweet.
- [82:50]
Taryn Armstrong
Yes. All right, well, that is what we have for you then today. Of course. We'll be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern to update you and everything that happens today on The Big Brother 28 live feeds, including anything further happens with Angela. What else goes on with this vote? Because we're really, you know, I really think we're gonna keep circling around for a little while, but we will see. I am doing a, a mailbag podcast with Rob for the patrons of Rob as a podcast today. So if you're a patron of Robin's podcast, send in your questions. Check out the roundtable we did last night. We were, we rated all of the players. We did a bunch of other stuff. It's a lot of fun. And check out my patre. I finished watching Love island in. In its disgusting fashion. That it, that it like literally like actually like vomit inducing challenge. But, but in general, I got through the whole season. The whole season. So check that out on my patreon as well as all the other shows I'm watching there and all the streams I'm doing for Big Brother this season over there on my patreon. Uh, Maggie, what do you got going on?
- [84:00]
Maggie Morgan
So actually, Thursday night, the first eviction of the season is my birthday. And to celebrate, if you live in New York City, I will be at the have Not Room, which is the live eviction watch party that last year ended up on tmz. The guy who hosted really Sweet and my favorite drag queen, Shut up will be performing, perhaps doing a little Big Brother cosplay. I'm not sure. So please come if you're in New York, come celebrate with me. Bring some cash to tip the Shut up and the drag Queen. Yeah, come, come hang out. You can find all of the information. There are tickets that need to be purchased. You can go to the. At have Not Room nyc, I believe is the instagram handle, or if you follow me on Instagram at emmorgan Underscore, I'll post today the sort of graphic in the link.
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Taryn Armstrong
All right, well, there we go then. Thank you all so much for joining us here today, and I will see all of you next time.