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Every morning terr Big brother looking at the stuff from yesterday, all the drama, all the strategy and silliness from feto to hoh every single season, you know he is the reason, you know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it tomorrow. He will do it again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for July 15th. I'm your host Sharon Armstrong and I'm here to tell you to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother 28 live feeds. It was day eight in the house and it was, it was a big day. It was a long day. We have finally gotten to some of the campaigning for who might be evicted this week. We've got some shifting of like structure and all kinds of nonsense going on including some, some peak paranoia. So to talk through it all, I've got AJ with me. How you doing aj?
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C
I'm doing great, Taren. I'm super excited to be here. I'll be about 50 with you when the cast drop. I wasn't the most inspired person. I was like, okay, this is fine. It's going to be average. But especially after yesterday, I think you might, you might argue with me with one or two people but I think 17 out of 17 people came to play. And, like, I love that.
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B
I'm with you. I feel like that's true. And I feel like we are getting some fun stuff. I feel like there. There is, like, a level of knowledge, like a baseline level of knowledge that they're all operating from, which is so interesting. Like, I even heard Mallory talk about, like, pretty sure that's called an onion alliance. Like, like, what are. Oh, this. This is fantastic. They're. Which. Which, by the way, does not mean that they're all, like, phenomenal players and not making mistakes. But it's. But it's very fun for them not to be making, like, the same mistakes like, that we always see from people who know nothing. Right. So I think that's kind of fun.
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C
Like, I think you have a season like big brother 20 when you have, like, the power alliance also, like, not only good at consp, Also have basically all the knowledge of Big Brother and the other side is, like, following around, like, even if, like, what people are trying to make as a sides happen, like, one side has enough knowledge and, like, are, like, capable enough in competitions where I think this is going to be a fun season, like, no matter how it plays out.
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B
Yeah. So let's get into it. Of course, D is the hoh. She initially nominated Mallory, Taylor and Yash, but Mallory won the veto, took herself off the block, and Ashley went up in her place. Ashley was originally not supposed to be a target, but then the target shifted to Ashley because the nominees have been doing a decent job of campaigning for themselves, and the target keeps shifting up and down and all over the place. So. So who really knows? And it's not really been a super big thing that. That I've been talking about because it's. It's been so all over the place. But we're gonna start to pin down exactly where people want to go by the end of today. So when it comes to the vote, don't worry, we'll have some insight. Not all, but some.
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C
Like, I feel like today we're going to solidify, like, where the votes are going to happen. But I think after today, you have a clear point of view of, like, we're people, interest are. And, like, I love how, like, all three norms, there's, like, a subset of people that are interested in that person saying, which I think is going to be a good fight. I know Melody says it's probably going to be unanimous vote. Like, these tend to happen like that. But I genuinely think if everyone's playing optimally for themselves. Like, this would be like a split house.
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B
Right. And I mean, the thing about the unanimous vote is that, like, if the vote is something like, you know, there's. There's what? There's ultimately going to be 14 votes total. So if the vote is something like eight to six or nine to five, the six or the five go. Okay, I. They. They concede, you know, like, they're like nominees in a primary. They're like, all right, I'll. I'll give up. We know we don't have the votes. It's not worth the fight anymore. It doesn't mean that it wasn't a split house. It just means that they knew they didn't have the votes, which is usually what happens. The real. The real problem with, like, house votes or unanimous votes is when everybody actually is on the same page and they all just want the same person out. That's when it gets really annoying.
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C
No, genuinely. And I think Ashley is, like, very lucky that both. That she does have a solid knowledge of the game. We learned this in the preseason interviews. But also, like, there are people that have a interest in protecting Ashley because I think in most seasons, the fact that Ashley's not really connected to anyone, Most people will want to say, this is the ease vote. This is the House vote. This is a consensus first. We target that we do not need to, like, draw lines in the sands. These players do not care about drawing lines in the sand. They said, you are my enemy. I have no issue going to war with you tomorrow.
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B
Yeah. So leading up to the day, again, there wasn't really a super strong sense of where anybody in particular stood. There'd been talk from pretty much all angles about every nominee, and almost all of them have changed their minds one at one point or another. But as I said, we'll start to see as they solidify where things start to land. In the meantime, though, early in the morning, there's a very funny moment where Taylor. So this is lala's birthday, her 58th birthday. And on top of that, the have nots are going to come off of slop at midnight. And so they're all kind of prepping for the birthday, and Taylor's up early in the morning, and she's got this big tray of champagne glasses. I call them glasses, but I don't think they're actually glass. Otherwise this would have been way worse. But she's got this big tray of champagne and she's, like, carrying it. And it's. And it's in the dark, by the way. Like, the lights are off, which is important to this story. She's got the big tray, and it's. She's very careful, very careful. And then one of them starts to tip a little bit, and she adjusts the entire tray to try to protect that one. And the entire tray drop. On the floor. Trying to pick up the glasses. Big brother turns the lights on and what are you doing to me?
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C
That was a kill.
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B
Which is just such an immensely relatable moment to be like, I don't want them to know this happened. Please turn the lights back on and let me just fix it. They're sorry.
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C
Off. Turn them off. Yeah. Because she was generally, like, stunned for a moment and, like, try to make sure, like, everything was good. Because I was like, oh, this is loud. Maybe it woke someone up. But she was like, trying her hardest. Big brother did not have to be rude to her and, like, put her on blast like that. But it was fun.
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B
Good stuff. Good stuff. All right, so back to the game. If we recall the night before, Drew, Rome, Melody and Lyric kind of came together. Not came together together because they didn't actually come together as a four, but they started to put together this. This alliance of four that was really started by Melody and Lyric as the hottie. Harmonies and kind of bringing their. Their men, so to speak, together as well in a four, and then hoping to sort of branch out from that. You know, unlucky for Lyric. Turns out Rome is perhaps, you know, not. He had. Did not get the memo to keep that a secret. We'll talk about that. And unfortunately for Melody, same is true of Drew. These men be walking out.
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C
Have they not watched Love Island? Taran, like, they should know. You cannot trust these guys.
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B
These men just keep exploring. And so Drew is already exposing this, telling Devin's about this for, of course, this is not a surprise for Drew at all. He is telling all of his information. And in many ways, like Quinn before him, that is only making his alliance more suspicious of him.
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C
Now, here's my thing. I like Drew. I think Drew is a very capable player. Drew makes me so nervous. Taryn, like, Drew scares me so much in this game because he actively divulges everything to the crossroads with Angela. Crossovers, crossovers, same thing.
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B
I gotta make sure because I get it wrong so often. I gotta make sure.
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C
But Drew spills his entire heart and guts to them. Like, Angela doesn't trust them fully. Dee doesn't trust them fully. Devins and Barra, Keith have to reassure them. Like, no, Drew is truly with us. And and it also scares me that everyone sees what Drew's doing, because everyone's like, no, I'm good with Drew. Drew's with these other people. Drew brings back information so everyone understands what Drew is doing. Everyone sees what Drew is doing. And no one's upset with it now because they think it benefits them. The moment, like, Drew has to, like, actually, like, pick a side. Like, they're not going to be mad at Angela and Barrett and Devin because Drew chose them. They're really mad at Drew because, why didn't you choose us, Drew? Why? So I feel like Drew's, like, playing a very tight wire game that I do not know if he can balance it all the way to the end.
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B
It's definitely dangerous. And as over the course of the day, we see it continue to sort of unravel to some degree within the crossovers because of their paranoia of him. And in the real question starts to become, can the crossovers continue their stranglehold on the game, or will their distaste for the red corner and distrust of Drew kind of start to unravel it? And we have kind of an answer by the end of the night, at least a temporary one. Haley, at this point is somebody who would actually rather see Taylor go than Ashley. She does see Ashley as a number for the other side, and this is important, an important sort of place for her to be. Angela is also a bit more anti Taylor pro Ashley because of Angela's recent suspicions and paranoia that there was a grand meeting that took place in the gym, which just to. To continue to clear this up, because we've already talked about it, but I want to make sure that I. I reiterate that there was technically a meeting in the gym of Mama's Angels. It was Jason Lala and. And Rome, and they did talk some strategy in there, but it was not a massive, large alliance where Rome summoned people to the gym and, like, they, you know, had some sort of rally, but that's what Angela thought was happening. And at first we were kind of thinking like, oh, this is Angela. She's being paranoid. But it turns out, like, this is gonna be pretty important to the potentially complete total trajectory of the game. Because Angela, ever since having learning about you, learning about the. The Jason stuff and the Lala stuff about how they don't like her very much, she has been really, you know, she. She's been in her head a bit, which is understandable. But also, like, Angela is just. It's in her nature, I think, to confront people about this stuff, to talk to them about it and to talk to anybody about it. And she really wants to talk to people about it. So instead, because she can't, because that would give up her positioning and the positioning of Drew and everything, she's going around and telling people, like, I know things. I. I know. I know when people are laughing behind my back. Not you, not you, but I know it's happening. So, you know, like, she really wants to tell them, but she can't give them the details. And so it's also causing her to be extra suspicious and paranoid about things. And that includes this big gym alliance meeting. And so because of this big gym alliance meeting that she suspects includes people like Jason and Lala, she thinks, well, Taylor is a number for them, might have even been part of that alliance meeting. Now, this is compounded by the alliance that Yash proposed a day or two ago that included himself, Taylor, Rome, Jason, and. And. And all of these in Barrett. And Barrett knew about this alliance.
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C
And.
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And so Barrett now has knowledge that there is an alliance being proposed with all of the people that Angela is suspicious were up in the gym. And it's becoming concrete in Angela's mind. And this is why she similarly wants Ashley to stay and Taylor to go. So I'm setting this up not because it's specifically something that happened yesterday, but because it's important context for the rest of what happens yesterday.
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C
Like, little did I know, a fake alliance meeting is going to very much determine how this entire week going to play out, maybe even the next few weeks of Big Brother. Because I think if you've been following along the past few days, you notice that Dee, Devins, Drew and Barrett, they're in the middle. And the question is, who do I like least today? Do I dislike the red room today, the red corner today, or do I dislike the Jason Lala duo today? And the question is, who is worst in my mind? And Angela says, I have an answer for you. Let me tell you all about it. Yes.
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So Yash is, in the meantime, starting to campaign against the cool kids. And the cool kids is terminology that is now spreading. And there are actually various people who are claiming to be the origin of this. I believe Drew took some credit for it when he was talking to Mallory, and then Mallory started spreading it. But Taylor also believes that she was the originator of the cool kids. She talks to Devin's later, he refers to them as the cool kids. She's like, you're saying that too? And he's like, yeah, I've been going around. She's Like, I started that, but either way, the cool kids are the red corner. They're Kamu, Haley, and Chuck. That's what people are referring to them as in the House. Very fun for me, considering that terminology. Terminology I like to use. And so Yash starts to pitch against them, and he's been against them for. For the most part, but of course he is now, I think, a little more actively doing it. And also including D into his pitches now as well, that, hey, D. Put me up on the block. I feel like she's working with them. We might as well be, like, putting her up on the block. Or I could put her up on the block as well, like, did tack kind of thing. And this is in large part because I do think the crossovers have been starting to get a little messy here. One tenet of Big Brother strategy that I always feel is best exemplified by Kevin Jacobs, who is now a big proponent of this, is that it's some. It. It sometimes doesn't matter what your decision is, as long as you make it and commit to it. And right now, the crossovers have spent kind of days just in this phase of, like, let's keep our options open. Let's. Let's not, you know, mind one way or another. And they keep talking to all of the nominees, but not really committing necessarily to any particular one. And Yash is somebody that they have kind of mostly assumed they're just going to vote out and haven't spent, I would say, enough time to really lock him in and make sure that he's not going to drift away. And again, that's in part because they kind of plan to vote him out. But. But they have still talked about, like, the option of potentially keeping him on occasion, but either way, he's drifting more and more toward that Rome side of things over the course of the week. And by the day yesterday, he's kind of firmly there. And even though they don't really include him in things like, that's sort of where he falls on. On the spectrum in the House.
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And I think this is a bad job on most of the House because especially when you hear them talk about the vote on Thursday night, there's a lot of people, at least a large contingency of people, that are just assuming that Yash is going to win the blockbuster. So if you are working into your plans that Yash is going to be here next week, you need to be doing everything in your power to make sure, like, Yash is locked with you, because I know Devin is walking around the House being like, I just want a group. I just want to find someone. Yosh really just wants a group, and I just really just wants to find someone. And every time Yash attempts to, like, reach out and form something, it's not that he gets shut down. It's like nothing is ever solidified, nothing is ever concrete, which leads him still being able to wander. And I genuinely think, like, the first route or first person to locking Yash. I don't know if Yash is saying, we'll talk about that later on, about how the vocals will lay out, but if y' all assume Yasha's thing, I do think Rome is in the best position right now to lock Yashin.
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B
Yes, I agree. Despite the fact that Rome doesn't seem to care that much for Yash, I
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need Rome to be, like, 15 more in this game. Like, truly terrible.
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B
I really. I mean, we'll talk about it, but I really feel like Rome and Lyric could be. Not necessarily running this game with the Endeavons there, but, like, could be a lot more dangerous than they are if they. If they just locked in, like, because they're so focused on each other. Jason is sort of the de facto leader of the other side, and Jason's a bit too messy. Rome and Lyric together have a lot of social capital and could really be moving in a way that is a lot more subtle and a lot more interesting if they were not so focused on one another, I think. But, hey, you know, they gotta do what they gotta do, I guess, because I don't.
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C
I don't know if this in your docket for today, but there's talks about making an alliance that is making me very mad. I can hold off if we're talking about that later.
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B
We can talk about it. Well, I. I think let's. Let me. Let me just explain one thing first, which is that I. I alluded to it already, that Rome goes to Jason and Lala, basically his true alliance in the game, to let them know that Drew has approached him about this Final four with Melody and Lyric. And this, to me, is one of those things where it's like, Lyric was part of wanting to originate this alliance as a. As a core, but I think Rome thought it more came from Drew and has now already exposed an idea that Lyric was a part of creating. And I don't think he meant to do it that way, but, like, he is. It's just a little messy, you know? Like, these are not, like, Mama's Angels are great, but I don't need to know what you're doing, how you're moving with your showmance, necessarily. And so when Jason hears this, he goes, oh, no, that's actually perfect because I've also made a deal with Drew and Matt and Melody called the court jesters, which is funny because I'm using them as court jesters.
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And.
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And so they actually feel like this is pretty good, that Drew and Melody are, like, on their side and in these different pockets of alliances with them.
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C
I do like that. I'm glad that's how you took it. I liked. I would like to preface this with, like, I like Jason. I do not like what Jason's doing in the game. And I genuinely felt like this moment in particular was more Jason wanting to not feel like he's behind eight ball, that Rome is, like, actually a step ahead of him in this game. Because that's how it was talking about. Like, Rome was talking about how we should feel comfortable with Drew because of the four alliance and Jason, like, no, you don't have to worry about that because I deployed them to do this and I'm like, jason, I don't like the way you're framing it.
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Like, that was the vibe.
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Yeah, yeah, that was the vibe.
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So it was like, oh, I had already gotten to them, just so you know.
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And, like, here's my thing. I genuinely think, like, Jason's fine. I think Jason has, like, just such a nice, welcoming personality generally where I think him, like, wanting to be, like. Because he. I think he wants to be the head. He wants to be the head of this. And that is, like, really what's rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, as well as his comments that do not like, low key, borderline out of game, which particularly Barrett doesn't like and Drew doesn't like. So I think Jason, like. And Jason had a very interesting comment. Like, I think he was either talking to Lala or by himself, being like, I needed to calm down. Like, I'm doing too much in the game early on, and I don't think Jason realized, like, the damage has been done. Like, I think, you know the saying you can't lose the game in the first week. You can't win the game in first week, but you can definitely lose it. Like, Jason is, like, such a pariah where it's like a lot of people, like, just being associated with Jason is, like, lowering their value to other people in the game.
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B
Yeah. Especially like, the fact that he alludes to Drew and Melody as his court jesters. It's like, then why did you give Them such incredibly damaging information about yourself that can tank your position in this game. It's like, oof, did you see a funny thing?
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C
This is my last thing to get back on track where the feed's cut and, like, Jason and Drew and Melody are, like, doing a little court gesture thing. And it seems like a meeting's about to start. And then Drew's like, actually, I'm gone. Then Melody's like, you know, I'm gone too. And Jason's like, oh, okay, I guess I'll leave as well.
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B
It's pretty classic Drew. In this conversation with Rome and Jason, Lala also brings up that Angela has been because. Because Jason's kind of bragging that, like, his manipulations on Angela and Devin's are working because they actually, unbeknownst to him, got a heads up from Drew about what was going to happen. And now they've been like, playing into it more as much as possible, like, oh, yeah, we really love you. And Angela has been working on Lala, who she thinks Haley is pitting her against, to be like, hey, don't trust anything anybody says about me saying anything about you.
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C
And.
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And so Lala relays that to Jason and Jason feels like, oh, we're doing really well. Like, we're really pulling them in to the point where it's starting to feel like Jason actually is more willing to target the cool kids over the. The vets, at least at first, because they're like, more pressing threats. So this information from Drew really came in clutch, it turns out, because it has allowed Evans and Angela to kind of counter manipulate Jason into dropping them just slightly down the pecking order, which is, you know, obviously very, very good for them.
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C
Yes. And like, I. I know people have different qualms with Angela yesterday with some of her paranoia stuff. I don't have as big issues, but I think this is like, showing like, the growth someone can have after they've played before. Because Angela in 26 would not have played this the way she is doing it. And the way that she is playing it is like lowering her target in Jason. I think her and Lala are becoming a lot closer. But Angela's, even in her mind is like, I'm glad that they're coming closer to me, but I remember what they. How they initially feel about me, and I'm not going to get too invested in them. I'm not going to get too close. I'm going to have these other options on the side. And I like, really like that from Angela in particular.
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Yes. Now, speaking of Jason, there. There are a couple of things because, you know, a big plot line throughout the day is, can we trust Drew and subsequently kind of like, can we trust his information about Jason? And there are two major points through the day that are going to help corroborate the information that Drew gave. One is that Jason is going to give some contradictory statements. He tells Angela that nobody's talking about the ve. But he tells D that, well, there. There was some talk about the vets, and. And that's gonna, like, trip him up a little bit. In addition to that, Barrett was in a conversation with Jason where he was bragging about manipulating Angela. And so Barrett can now also again, corroborate the information that Drew is giving. Although that won't come until a bit later, though we will, of course, talk about it. So I. Drew is also gonna. Drew's gonna have a conversation with Common. Drew has been developing a relationship with Kamu, and. And Kamu, at this point is still team Keep Yash because he's a bro, and probably get rid of, like, Ashley at this point because he kind of likes Taylor, though he's been changing his mind. So Drew has this information as well. Drew's gonna end up bringing this back to some other people to the crossovers later, which is gonna kind of throw them in a tizzy. But we'll. We'll get to that. Mallory at this point is still kind of. Still suspicious of Drew. If. If you recall when Drew had that conversation with Mallory where he talked about the cool kids, immediately went and talked to Dee afterward, and she was pretty suspicious of that, and she thinks that Drew might be working with D, which she is correct about. She also, though, is a little suspicious of Jason, who she feels like everyone seems close to Jason, and they always say, jason told me this. Jason told me that. So Mallory having some, like, I would say, decent instincts in terms of, like, who not to trust. But the problem is, for Mallory, unfortunately, that's probably everyone. It's just a matter of, like, which ones does she catch on with?
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C
I like Mallory's instincts in these games. I think Mallory has the potential to, like, form something good and, like, be in a solid thing. The issue I find with Mallory is I do not see her being in a power. Not in power position, but in, like, the majority alliance this season. And I feel like she's going to have to fight a battle all season, which I think Mallory is capable of. She shows that she's smart. She talks about the game all the time. Whether it's the game that's happening at now or past seasons of Big Brother. And she has social skills. Like Lyric loves her, Melody loves her, Taylor loves her, Lala loves her. A lot of people gravitate towards Mallory, so I think Mallory is capable. I just think the other side of the house have already moved past Mallory and do not consider Mallory in their long term plans.
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B
But then we get to, I think, like, because the, the day was relatively slow, but once we started to get more toward the like late afternoon, evening section of the day, things got more interesting because Angela goes and talks to D. And I swear I was, I was in the, I was in the time laser back in Big Brother 25 and Surrey and Felicia were laying in the HOH bed looking at the spy screen. Izzy was pacing back and forth out of the bed and they were watching people. Did you see that person just came up? Do you think they were, they were talking game, you think? I mean, oh my God, this is so suspicious because Angela is really, you know, she's pitching this theory about the gym meetings and she's really suspicious of Drew. And so when they saw Drew coming out of the gym, I believe having just talked to Kamu, they were like,
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wow,
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what were they talking about? We need to. Who else is in the gym? We need to, we need to wait. We need to, we need to watch and see who else comes out. And, and then at some point, like somebody else walks out. But the problem is that like, you don't really know if they're coming from the gym or the upstairs doctor and so like another person eventually. Oh, look at, look at that. Somebody else just, they're like, they're just walking out one by one. They're just walking out one by one. And, and unlike, I would say Devin's, Dee seems particularly susceptible to falling into a bit of Angela's paranoia. I don't think she's prepared with what Angela brings. And so she actually is like, this might be true. And, and I, I think she's, she's genuine in this moment in feeling the paranoia with Angela on top of the fact that she did bring it up to Devin's night before, that she was a little suspicious of Drew. And Devin's kind of tried to back Drew up, but, but Dee was kind of like, I think there might actually be something here. And so they're watching, they're fervently watching the cameras, like, and I'm telling you, anytime anybody came up the stairs to walk over toward it or away from it, oh, oh, no, wait, where is she going? And like, Sometimes nowhere. And it's. It's a long time. I'm tell. It's. I can't convey to you how ridiculous it was to watch and how funny it was to watch because it's a very long time. It's a good, like 15 at least minutes or, you know, maybe longer. I can't remember, of them doing this. Like, oh, my God, what are they doing? Somebody comes and rings the doorbell because they want to talk, and they're like, just pretend we're not here. We need. We need to see who's in that. And like, oh, my God, this is so ridiculous. And then. And then eventually the. The camera person finally is like, all right, it's time. And they cut to an empty gym.
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C
No, it was like, genuinely funny because it really was 15 or 20 minutes of them just looking at the screen. And of those 15 or 20 minutes, 18 of those minutes was nothing. Nothing was happening at all. And I think, what was it? Drew walked out the first two minutes, and then Kamu walked out like three, four minutes after him. Like, they're just staring at nothing, but, like, are building so many scenarios. Like, I bet you Melody's in there. We just gotta wait for Melody to come out. Oh, Ashley. What is Ashley doing in here? Angela, at one point, let's just walk into the gym and confront them, which I wish they would have done because that would have been so funny. Then walk into an empty gym, kicking the door open.
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All right, the jig is. They must. They must have left already, I guess.
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C
It was so good, Taryn. It was so much fun.
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B
And this is really where, like, I was like, oh, man, this again. It's reminding me of Siri and Felicia and Izzy. And we know what happened to that story. They took out his. They, like, turn. They ate themselves. And then they ended up with no. No soldiers. Not enough soldiers left to. To fight the oncoming war. And it's like, this is how these alliances fall. So, you know, we'll see where it goes.
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C
I would like to say, and I know people were like, particularly on Angela last night and d a little bit about being paranoid, being a paranoid person, being paranoid player. I think paranoia is, like, really good. And it's actually a very necessary trait to have in this game. I think by being paranoid, you are building yourself up a defense system from possible other options that could happen. Like, you could, like, you know, over be overly paranoid. Like Angela was in 26 and, like, call people out, which is not a productive way to use paranoia. Or you can do what Angela and Dee does throughout the course of this evening, which is use your paranoia and build something more solid or bring something together that can defend you against other people acting weird. Like, even if you feel Drew's acting weird, you're building something where you're doing. You're not as stressed out about Drew being a little bit weird or having these other connections. And I think if you're not paranoid, you could be like Rome or Taylor or Latrice who, like, do not see that the other side is, like, building something against you while you are over here playing lollygagging. Whoopsie daisy. Happy birthday, lala. Like, other people are playing the game. And y' all lack of paranoia, your lack of agency could be like your downfall this week. Why Taylor could go home this week and why y' all could be like the house target of the next two, three weeks.
- [35:52]
B
A healthy dose of paranoia can be very useful. I think the key is that you can't let it get out of control. Paranoia is good in the sense that it makes you think of things you wouldn't have thought about otherwise. It makes think of theories that there is no evidence for. The. The key is you need to find evidence for it before you actually run with it. And you can't be obvious about searching for evidence. So, like, if you are worried that there's an alliance happening, you know, if you're worried that there was a group being meeting up in the gym and that people were being summoned, just keep an eye out for that group. Talk to people, see how they feel about the other. Like, see how they talk about the. The other people that are supposed to be in that group. Get a sense of who's voting with who. You know, like, there are ways to determine who's actually loyal to somebody else. And if, you know, if you suspect a connection, it's a lot easier to figure it out in a very subtle way. What you should not do is I think there was a meeting that happened. And I say that, but not always because sometimes intentional or not, you help plant a seed that makes other people paranoid. So anyway, Rome and Devins do have a check in. Remember, Rome and Devins had that conversation over the chess board where Devin's was pitching. They were both threats. They've ever since been really like, they've been occasionally checking in. They have a decent relationship. It's really becoming clear that Devin's actually seems to be in one of the better positions in the crossovers alliance, especially as Barrett is gravitating more toward D. More on that later. Because Devin still maintains a very solid connection to the crossovers while starting to have a Drew like level of spiderwebs kind of sprawling out everywhere else. And that includes this Rome connection, which is very good. In fact, Evans really likes Rome himself. He says, so after Rome leaves the room, like, yeah, I like Rome maybe a little too much.
- [38:11]
C
Like, I think that's fair. But also look at what Rome is bringing Devin's. Rome is giving Devin, like, a lot of good information. Like, Rome's not Drew into spewing everything and then dipping. Rome is saying, like, here's what I know. Here's how it impacts you. Here's what I think you should do to better your game. And that's the type of ally you want, someone who can think through things through, cover your blind spots for you and help you improve in this game. So I understand why Devin likes Rome. I just think the fact that there are sides, like Rome just happens to be, quote, unquote, on the wrong side. Even though I genuinely believe Taran, if Dee and angel was not in this game, Devens will be on the roam. If Jason did not do what Jason did to Devin's, that's actually more right. If Jason didn't do what Jason did to Devin's, Devin will be on that side more likely. Because I think he generally likes these people and he spends every waking moment trying to distance himself from the Kamlos of the world, from the Haleys of the world, from the Chucks of the world.
- [39:06]
B
I really, I think it. It cannot go understated how much Drew saved the crossovers because they were all gravitating toward the Jason side of things, away from the red corner, which is a worse position for them. They were in a really good spot with the red corner, but Dee was so fed up with Haley and what they were up to and. And they were kind of starting to gravitate away from them. D hadn't even talked to Kamu in a couple of days, which we'll. We'll get to, and they were all just shifting in this direction. And if that had continued and they were like, super willing to sacrifice the red corner super early without even needing to, and then just like kind of settle in with the rest of the house, they would have found themselves on the bottom of that structure because Jason is near the top of that structure and very anti vet. But getting that warning about Jason and knowing that Jason is in a good position with Rome and La La and this entire crew has made them realize, I think to some degree maybe we do need the Red corner, maybe we can't be dropping them quite so soon. Maybe making sure we stay in the middle is important and. And that's genuinely huge. So, you know, very, very crucial information, I would say, because it's not just that Jason is talking about it, it's that Jason is clearly talking about it if he's willing to talk about it with Drew, with all of those people, including Lyric and Rome and Lala. And so. So that's something that you should be pretty concerned about. So Angela D, Drew and Barrett do have a chance to come together later in the night. Not super late in the night, but. And they're up in the, like, little balcony area, which is very annoying because they don't have great soundproofing. And. And they are talking through their options and they have kind of all come to the conclusion that Ashley should be the person they keep because they need to take out numbers on the. On the roam Jason side of things. And Taylor is a number for that side. Yash is also a potential number for that side. So Yash is still for sure the. The primary target, as he seems like he'd be the most capable of winning more competitions. But Taylor was somebody that they were kind of initially planning to keep. In fact, Dee has given Taylor her word many times that she plans to break tie in favor of her. And that's potentially a bit of an issue given their ultimate direction, but we'll see. But the point is that they kind of conclude that Ashley is somebody that they might be able to pull in and that isn't just a de facto member of the other side. And then, lo and behold, Ashley comes up and joins them. By the way, this is. Drew is telling them like, kamu's not with us on this. Kamu wants Ashley gone. Kamu wants Yash to stay. And they, I think, incorrectly take that as just like locked. They're like, ah, damn. So red corner isn't going to help us in this vote. We need to find out. We need to find a way to get votes to save Ashley that don't include the red corner. And it's like you've got. You've done such a great job of accumulating all of this power and influence. You know, you can use it, right? Like, you can change people's minds, but they don't, I think, realize how powerful this is. You know, Dee and Devins are Survivor players, and you can't wield power and influence in this way on Survivor in the same way that you can on Big Brother. And Angela's Never been in this position before. Barrett and Drew have never played before, and so I think they don't realize the power of their position. And so instead, they're kind of coming up with these whack a Mimi schemes. And as Ashley comes and joins them in this conversation, they're. They're way too messy about this. They're, like, all they're talking about, like, yeah, we're considering you or Taylor and go ahead.
- [43:26]
C
Like, it is so ridiculous, Taryn, the way they talk about Ashley's. To Ashley's face. Like, they are just being like, hey, yeah, I know you think you feel good. There's a good chance you're going home, especially if you're up against Taylor. I don't think you can survive against Taylor. I don't even think we can do anything. You better win that blockbuster, actually, if you want to stay in the game. And then it also gets a little bit egregious later on in the conversation where, like, Ashley's still sitting there, but now Drew, Barrett, and D. Are in the other side of the couch whispering about Ashley.
- [43:56]
B
And I'm like, yo, it's so much. And it's so sloppy. It's. It really is. Like, you can go in with the right knowledge, but you need to be able to execute properly as well. And this was just messi. Especially because it was such a giveaway as to, like, their connection. Now I also want to point out that during this entire period of time, Barrett and D. Are like. You see that movie together with Alison, Brie, and the other guy where, like, they start to just, like, morph into one human. It's a horror movie that's D and. And Barrett over the last day. Basically, like, they. They're. They're becoming glued together with the cuddling and James. Not. It's not James Franco, right? James Franco is the. The other brother. It's Dave Frank. Thank you. It was a good movie, by the way. I thought it was good.
- [45:03]
C
So
- [45:05]
B
it's like, that's not great, right? Like, Barrett is one of the valuable, like, free agents of this group because the vets are always going to be tied together in some capacity. And we'll get. I guess we'll just talk about it now. But, like, as they talk later, like, they.
- [45:28]
A
The.
- [45:28]
B
Ashley leaves, Angela comes, Drew leaves, Angela leaves. And it's just Barrett and D. And they talk for another, like, hour. And Barrett is basically, like, I think at this point, it's a lost cause. People are just gonna see us as a. As a thing now. And they're like, yeah, I guess so. Like, it's just kind of becoming a bit of a given and. And they're not even gonna try to hide it anymore, I think, because they just enjoy the cuddling too much and so. Well, you know, stay on the lookout. We're probably gonna have to come up with a name for this. And I. I guess maybe it's B. I haven't looked,
- [46:09]
C
but I like B. I like B.
- [46:11]
B
He's not bad, right?
- [46:12]
C
He's not bad.
- [46:14]
B
But, like, this is definitely not great for the structure of their alliance because it. It re. It takes out one of your key players and. And creates a bit of a bigger target on. On D and. And Barrett, like, if now you're looking at like you're not connecting D to red corner as much anymore, where you've got extra people like, you know, like Kamu and Haley and Chuck to take out if they're on the block now, it's like if you do nominate, well, it's not quite there yet, but it's getting to the point where if you would nominate D, you'd probably nominate Barrett too. If they continue this.
- [46:51]
A
This.
- [46:51]
B
This path. It's the opposite of the parachute structure that Drew is trying to set up. He tried to get Barrett to have Mallory be his person, but that's just not happening at the moment. And again, I'm not anti showmans as a rule. I think that it can be very effective. But I do think that if you're going to operate a structure like this, it's very important to keep this on the down lowest, at least for now. But hey, you know, if you have a chance to cuddle with D, you're probably gonna not turn it down, I guess.
- [47:22]
C
I'm not saying no. Right. But here's the issue. I think D, a lot of the house already associated with the cool kids and not so much anymore. These like now with tertiary part of that, they look at Devin's and Angela more closely tied to them. However, the issues with Barrett, because I think everyone and their mama loved Barrett, wanted to pull Barrett in, wanted Barrett a part of their structure. And people are talking less about that with Barrett now. And that's because he's spending so much time next to Dee where it's basically like, okay, either Dee already got him or some of these people are still sketched out with Dee and. Or some of these other people. And it's like, I can't trust Barret to keep this to just himself. He's probably going to tell someone during pillow talk who you know, it happens. So I think Barret is still in a good position. I think Barrett's still in the best position of the house. However, it's not as strong as I. I think it was just a couple of days ago.
- [48:12]
B
Yeah, for sure. Anyway, so they coach back to the big conversation with Ashley. They coach her up and. And again, like, they're really, like, dropping stuff on her and ask and asking her to do a lot of work. And it's like, you have to know that the nominee themselves is not going to be able to do this work for you. If you want Ashley to stay, you kind of have to make it happen yourself because Ashley's not going to have the power to do this. But they're. But they're telling Ashley, go talk to Taylor, try to get her vote, try to pitch to the. The, like, the Rome side of the house that, like, you're. You're. You're with the women and you're going to be targeting the cool kids and all of this stuff. She's like, got all this stuff in her head and she goes and she talks to Taylor to, like, do this. And it's. And it's just like, this couldn't have gone worse for the crossovers because now Ashley's talking to Taylor and saying, yeah, I've. I'm hearing that that people want to keep Yash and that we need to, like, we need to bring work with each other to try to vote Yash out because the. The. This other side of the house is going to keep Yash over us. And Taylor's like, who, Who. Who's this other side of the house? Kamu, Chuck, Haley, they want to keep Yash around. They were telling Ashley and like, yeah, but like, who else? Well, I think, like, I think they have numbers. And it's like D and Devins and Angela and Drew and Barrett.
- [49:44]
C
Oh, yo.
- [49:47]
B
Actually, and it's like, oh, my God, what have they done? They've created a monster.
- [49:56]
C
Like, Lord knows they are lucky Ashley talked to Taylor of all people and not someone like Lala. Because Taylor's just. I'll say my thoughts for Taylor later on, but Taylor was basically, like, out of it. Like, no, there's just trios. Why are you talking about that? Like, Taylor's just so over it and just wants to eat. Like, she didn't have the proper time to, like, sit with the information, be like, whoa, wait a minute. Ashley just named the entire other side. Because if there's a majority, that's the majority. And I thought I was good with some of these people. She does later on talk to Angela about it. And I think Devin's. But I think that was more of a place of hurt and not as much of a place of, oh, Ashley just laid out the board.
- [50:37]
B
They got really lucky because Taylor did not really believe this. She's had many conversations with Devins and Angela and doesn't believe that they would vote against her. She asks Angela about it pretty much right away. And Angel's like, oh, absolutely not. I'm so glad that you came to me about this. That's not true at all. It's just, I'm so happy that you talked to me because we should always talk to each other girls because lala's there and. And she completely denies it. She would not that she would vote Taylor. And Taylor doesn't even mention, like, the whole grouping of people. She just is talking about Angela and Devin here. And I think the, like, the naming of those people kind of went nowhere. But, like, that was incredibly dangerous for them. And it's because Drew was there with Barrett, with D. Like, and Barrett and D are cuddling and Drew is talking with them openly, strategically talking about Ashley and how she should stay to keep. If she wants to stay in the house. And. And while still not being super reassuring about them being on her side in the whole. It's just. It was so, so messy and really could have. And still could be such a disaster. But. But for now, they. They averted that disaster. We'll see what happens from here. But like, if they want to keep Ashley, they again, they really need to commit to it and start bringing her in, which they start to do later in the night. Things. Things start to turn around. But there's a. There's a. An unlikely savior for them here as. As things continue through the night. So Angela later rejoins the conversation. Drew has left, Ashley's gone, and Angela's talking to Barrett and Dee, who are still cuddling. And. And Angela goes, okay, so first of all, Taylor told me about some. I don't know what she's talking about. Like, that's. I thought that was the important information. Angela's comment. She doesn't really even bother.
- [52:32]
C
No.
- [52:33]
B
More importantly, what was Drew saying? Did he give you guys any information after he left and came back? Like what. What do you mean? Like, when he was talking to us, you know, he. He left and he came back like he had something to tell you. What did he tell you? Like, I don't. Drew didn't leave. You left. Drew stayed here. He was talking with Us? I don't know. He left. He left for, like. Like, he left, and then he came toward the stairs, and then he was like, well, and then he came back, and they're like, I really don't think. By the way, I'm pretty sure Drew did leave and come back at one. Yes, he did, but. But Barrett and Dee do not remember this. And they're like, Barrett's, like, looking at D. Like, I don't think Drew left. And he's like, I don't remember him leaving. And Andrew's like, no, I'm telling you, he left. And then. Did he tell you any? Because he. I saw him leave. And he's like, am I being gaslit right now? Like, what? I don't remember this at all. And are we talking about the same person? And Andrew's like, yeah, with the droopy eyes. Oh.
- [53:48]
C
Oh, my gosh.
- [53:50]
B
Oh, I can already see it in the future.
- [53:56]
A
Drew.
- [53:57]
B
Drew. Drew, with your droopy eyes.
- [54:05]
C
Like, it's so funny. This also goes, like, for five, six minutes of Angela and D and Bear just trying to figure out whether or not Drew Taryn's such unimportant information for five or six minutes. Like, did Drew leave and come back, or was Drew sitting here the entire time? Like, does it really matter? Does it matter at all?
- [54:22]
B
And that's what Barrett eventually gets to. He's like, listen, if the point is that you're not trusting Drew right now, you don't need to be doing that. Drew is totally fine. Like, he is. Like, I don't know what conversations you've had with him, but he is telling me everything. And he's talking about how much he's into this alliance, how important it feels to him, and how great that he thinks we're doing. Like, he is so fully on board. And Dee's like, yeah, I mean, I was a little suspicious. And he's like, I had the same thought, but I'm telling you, he's so on board. And. And I even heard. And this is when he tells Angela about his corroboration of the Jason information. Like, I was in. In the storage room when Jason's talking about how he was bragging about, like, tricking you, Angela. So, like, that. That did ha. Like, I can confirm that was happening. I think the. Like, he's telling me.
- [55:15]
A
And.
- [55:15]
B
And here's. Here's the problem. I think that, like, you know, we don't always get a chance to talk, and sometimes you tell one person a thing, and you don't remember which person the lines you've told. There's so much going on. And later D is talking to the cameras and says. Says this too. She's like, I can't. I can't remember all the conversations I'm having to. Which I was thinking to myself, yeah, imagine trying to keep track of all of the conversations. But. But, yeah, so, so Barrett really backing Drew up here to, to Angela. Finally somebody like actually just taking a stand and saying, I think Drew's good. I think we're good with Drew. And. And she does reluctantly back down, though. You can tell she's a bit disappointed here.
- [56:02]
C
Yes.
- [56:05]
B
So Angela then goes and talks to Kamu. Actually, she probably already talked to comment by this point, but I'm trying to tell the stories and threads. Angela talks to Kamu and tells him about how, you know, I, I see. She does. I see people in rooms when I leave, they're laughing. Not you. Not you. Not you. K. Other people. But I wanted to let you know that, like, I've decided this. That's what I want. And he's like, I'm. I'm so down for that. It's so funny watching Kamu talk to people because there's just something like. And I don't, I actually, I don't even. I don't mean this in a bad way necessarily, but like, when Kabu talks to people, it always feels like, like he, he feels like he's talking to a crazy person. You know what I mean? Like, he's always just like, like, yeah, Angela, we really want to work. And then like gets interrupted with Angela's thing and he's like, yeah, totally. That's exactly what I'm saying, Angela. And so what I was trying to say was that, like, I think with you on board and Andrew's like, and so I saw in the gym, like. And so this is why I kind of. I don't, I, I really don't mean it to be like a negative thing because, like, the way that he communicates is, I guess, more long winded than most people. Like, they're just like interjecting and interrupting his stories all the time because he talks so much. And so he's constantly having to, like, stop saying what he's saying to agree with them, even when they're saying the thing that he was trying to get to. It's just a very funny thing, I think, for, for, for the communication between Kamu and other people. And I think it's part of why he's struggling in the house. He's just so long Winded. But. But anyway, they have this conversation and Angela lets him know about the gym situation. Like, I saw. I saw that there was a meeting happening and people were being summoned and I wasn't invited. I was like, I wasn't invited either. And she's like, that's what I'm saying. And. And so she. And who's in that alliance? Taylor Yash. Like, you know, really, you know, getting into this whole situation. And so she has this conversation with Comma, Remember too, that this is. This is because Kamu, Haley and Chuck are. Have been recruiting Angela to the Red Corner alliance as an outskirts member. Angela, of course, knows the core exists, but is allowing them to recruit her, and so they're pulling her in. In addition to that, they've been. Kama's been talking with Drew, kind of starting to recruit Drew as well. And so they're really just, like, allowing all of this to happen. It's so. It's so interesting because when you know that the alliance exists, it's so easy to. To be recruited by them because you have people vouching for you inside the alliance. And you know who to say you like when talking to them. Like, oh, yeah, I really like you and Haley and Chuck and D and Angela and Devin and like, all of these things. And so, you know, things can really work out. So Kamu comforts Angela about feeling bad and says that he feels really good about D and but that he hasn't had a chance to talk to her in, like, days. So he really wants to find a time to chat with D. I also
- [59:52]
C
say when it comes to the alliance, I think this brings me back to flash of 26, when Angela went to, I think Tucker being like, I'll be your bottom. Like
- [60:02]
B
words slightly,
- [60:05]
C
but she was basically. But I think, because I think most people in Angel's situation will be like, trailing their mustache, being like, ah, they think they've got me, but really I'm playing them X, Y and Z. No, Angela jumps all in with Haley, with Chuck, with Kamu, like, to the point where I think, like, Angel's more valuable to them than Dean devices because Angela's like, genuinely wants to see them succeed in this game. Meanwhile, Dee and Devin are using them as a means to an end. So I really do like that from Angela, I think. And you see when they talk to Angela, even though, like, she's paranoid, they respect her. Like, the way they talk to her, there's like this air of respect. And I don't know if this just from the fact that she's returning. But, like, they have so much. They appreciate her so much and think she's so valuable to this alliance that they're building where it's like, if you didn't know that Angela was, like, the last person being brought in, you would think that's the core, right?
- [60:55]
B
Yeah. I mean, which is true. Like, they. And I say they, but like, Kamu in particular, I think, is approaching, you know, Angela and the rest of the alliance in a way that they appreciate. Especially, like, I think they. I think many of them gravitated more toward the Jason side of things. But knowing how, like, you know, Jason is saying all kinds of things behind Angela's back and she's heard some of them. And now in comparison, Kamu, who seems like he is willing to give her time and space to talk and doesn't say things behind her back and she knows it because he. People like Dee and Devins are in the core and don't hear any of it. It's like, okay, well, I. I really think I am kind of on board with this side of things. So Kamu spends some more time through the night looking for D, trying to find her to chat, and finally does. And it's been a couple of days, and this has really been like, you know, the biggest weakness of the crossovers is that they've really lost their true, like, ties to Red Corner. So. So he comes up and he says, hey, I so good to get a chance to talk to you, you know. You know, it's been a little while. Says, yeah, you know, I'm not gonna lie. I was a little upset about the LALA thing. Haley came up to me for the replacement nominee, and she pitched that I should put up lala, and she said that you came up with the idea, Kamu, and I never heard it from you. And, like, I just wasn't exactly sure because that feels crazy for my game. And Kamu's like, oh, wow. No, no, no, that's. You know, first of all, like, I. I don't even think it was my idea. But. But even if it was, like, I. It was just an option, I think we found, for the record, I think it was, if anybody, probably Devin's idea. But, you know, we don't have to talk about that. He says, I think if anything, like, I'm trying to remember, like, oh, I. I think maybe, like, the thing was that because. And this is true, because Mallory was on my team, you would replace Mallory with somebody else from my team, and it obviously wouldn't be me. And so Therefore would be lala. We were trying to come up with a. A thing that would help protect you. And. And again, Kamu's pretty much, like, pretty honest here in terms of, like, he has been trying to. Or at least had been trying to look out for D prior to them not talking for two days. And. And is really just trying to express to her that, like, he's on her side and he still wants to work together. And she's like, okay, that's good to hear. He's like, I never wanted you. I never want you to feel like we're pushing anything on you. It's totally your decision. We were just trying to come up with options. And so he then goes on to say, like, so how are you feeling about, like, this vote and everything? Because, you know, I was thinking, you know, have you heard about a meeting that happened in the gym yesterday? And he's like, I have. I have heard about that. He's like, did Angela tell you? She goes, oh, I don't remember who told me. Well, Angela told me. And I'm starting to think, like, I wasn't invited to that meeting. You. I don't. I assume you weren't invited to that meeting. No, I wasn't invited to the meeting. I don't think, you know, Drew was invited to that meeting. I don't think Devin's was invited to that meeting. That means there's. There's another side of the house, right? And I think that. And. And again, like, basically he came up here to say that his conversation with Angela has shifted his mindset and that he wants to take out Yash or Taylor and keep Ashley. He's changed his mind, and he's trying to tell the story of how he changed his mind, but he keeps interrupting to be like, so we keep Ashley, right? And he's like, well, that. Yeah, that's what I'm. That's what I'm trying to get at. But. But anyway, let me just finish this,
- [65:09]
C
because he literally wants to just say, like, every person that's in the red corner wasn't invited to this meeting. Want to name every single person in this conversation that, like, you were saying, he likes to talk and not get to the point. And he's like, I know where I want to end this. I know where you're going. We don't need to be here for 20 minutes. We can, like, speed us up.
- [65:28]
B
So he starts talking about that, and he's like, yeah, so that's what. That's the conclusion I was coming to. I was. I Was feeling like. Because, like, for as much as I. I loved D. After this conversation, talking to the cameras, being like, I let him think it was his idea. I do personally think that she could have done a better job of letting him think it was his idea by not interjecting, like, as much. Because, like, I mean, obviously, I know that she already wanted this to be the case, but when he was saying it, she was constantly like, yes, a hundred. That's what I want. I want Ashley to stay as well. That I agree. And it was like, I feel like she had such an opportunity to let him talk and be like, wow, that's such a great idea comment like, you. This is really interesting. And so, you know, anyway, a little nitpicky there, but so he talks through this, the whole thing, and he's. The ultimate conclusion is he wants to keep Ashley. Ashley at all costs. We need to try and pull in Ashley as much as possible and. And vote out either Yash or Taylor, maybe even Yash first, since he's capable of winning competitions. And there's a little bit of back and forth about that, but, like, for the most part, he came in kind of wanting to go in that direction. In addition to that, he's like, we need. We need numbers for this. We need votes. And I'm. I think, like, I feel like I've got Drew. She's like, oh, that's good. I like Drew. He's like, yeah, yeah. So I've got Drew. And we've been talking to Angela a lot, and.
- [66:55]
C
And.
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B
And, you know, she. And. And Drew said. I've, like, Drew says that you really like me. And then, like. Or, you know, that kind of, like, he confirms, basically, the. Drew is doing what he's supposed to be doing in those conversations. And. And we've been working on Angela. I think we've got Angela on top of, like, the thing. And he's like, how do we feel about Barrett? Because. And she's like, I think I got buried. I mean, it's kind of obvious by now. And he's like, I kind of knew that. I kind of figured. And so he's like. So I'm thinking, like, you know, us in the red corner, myself, Haley, Chuck, and. And you, D. And Devins. And then we've got. We're pulling in Angela. And then I feel like we've got Drew and we've got Barrett. And, like, that's. That's some good numbers right there. And it's like, yeah, that's what Ashley was saying earlier, but yes, yes, the crossovers and the red corner fully uniting in a way makes Camus think that he's done this and that he's in charge of the numbers. But in reality, of course, the crossovers vastly outnumber the red corner in this group, and the red corner remains their shield in front of them. This is exactly how things should be structured for the crossovers. And Kamu kind of came to it on his own to some degree, but in, in part, in fact, in large part due to Angela's paranoia,
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C
which I, I, I think this is, like, weird work perfectly because I will be honest with you, I was over here so confused for the past few days about why D is throwing away the red corner. Why are they throwing these people? I get it. You don't like Haley. Let me tell you something. There's a lot of people we don't like, but I think it's beneficial for our game and the fact that I think Angela's paranoia and D being susceptible to Angel's paranoia, because I think if Angela did this to Devin's or Barrett, I don't think this goes anywhere. But I think Dee being particularly open to Angela and her opinions really got the wheels moving on setting up this honestly majority alliance that we likely will see when a lot of competitions when, especially if like say next week. I know they were talking about in the past throwing it, but say someone like Haley wins it or Chuck wins it like this, that's not more than to solidify it even more and like, decimate the other side.
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B
Daniel in the chat says the Red Cross as a hybrid alliance name is pretty.
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C
I like the record, Daniel. That was a good. I like the Red Cross.
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B
So, so this is obviously phenomenal for, for D and the crossovers and their entire agenda. And this is why in particular it was so messy for them to be doing all this stuff with Ashley and talking about. I don't even remember if I mentioned this, but after Ashley left, Drew, Barrett and D were like, okay, what else can we do to get the vote to keep Ashley? We could wait until the two minutes after the blockbuster and then just like, scramble mode and just go to like, like Drew's like, I'll go to Mallory. I'll go to Melody and, and convince her that the house is going that way. D, you go to Kamu. And he's like, yeah, I can go to Kamu and tell him, like, oh, the whole house is voting Ashley to stay. Oh, and just like, like, I was like, what are we doing? Just convince them right now you are in an alliance with them. It'll be okay. And it turns out they didn' convince him because he came up with it on his own after talking to Angela. So it's like, D's like, this is incredible. She talks to the cameras afterwards. She's like, and they really think I'm stupid, which is great. I mean, I'm playing the middle. I've never played the middle before. Please be patient with me here. But this is. This is really great.
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C
Like, and I. I think these doing a great job. I do think. And I think part of that conversation they had also was like, we might just have to accept the fact that Ashley might not go. No, Ashley might just go home this Thursday. They were like, in a defeat mode, but be like, this could be our last straws. When genuinely, if you take out Latrice, take out Camus, maybe Rome, no one else has a strong opinion about where they want supposed to go. And they were looking towards someone to put their foot down and be like, hey, this is how I feel. And I think Dee has enough social capital where enough people be like, yeah, I prefer Ashley to stay. And I think the house would have got in line. Most part you might upset Latrice, but, like, you know, that's Latrice. What's the trees going to do?
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B
And, well, and that was the thing for me is that, like, D hadn't even talked to Kamu in days, and Drew had and had said that that Kamu was pro Yash, which, yeah, is unfortunate. But, like, before you start coming up with all these convoluted plans and coaching up Ashley in a messy way, just go and have a conversation with Kamu. You're in an alliance with him. He might be lying to Drew because Drew's not in the alliance and Drew doesn't have the sway that you do with Kamu. You can convince this man. You have the powers. So anyway, it all worked out.
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C
It worked out.
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B
And Kamu is excitedly bringing this new plan to Devin's and to Drew and to Haley and to everyone. And they're all on board that this. This voting block is going to come together and they're going to keep Ashley. And they. They basically have the votes for it, though it could get close. It could come down to a tie. In the worst case scenario, which Dee is still a little shaky on in terms of being willing to put herself out there and break that tie against Taylor after everything she's told Taylor and after the position and.
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C
And.
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B
And breaking the position she feels she could be in with the other people on that side. So that remains a bit of a potential issue, but I. I really don't think it'll be a major one. I think that they do likely have enough influence to sway a couple of extra votes their way, including people like Melody, who doesn't really have a super strong opinion and has gone back and forth before. So, you know, we'll see. But this should be. I mean, listen, this is still the blockbuster era and this is still a week one vote and the house is still messy. I'm sure there's going to be plenty of things crossovers themselves could change their minds. If it. If it fully gets out what Ashley was saying to Taylor in a more concrete way that could change their mind. A single conversation with Yash where he does a good job could change their mind. This is still plenty up in the air, so don't take it for. For locked in stone. But you know, as of right now, I think odds have shifted to Ashley being the safest on the block right now.
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C
I agree with you. I do think like you were talking about the hesitancy because the already promised Taylor that she will break the tie in Taylor's favor. And if you're being honest, like Taylor hasn't done much wrong to D or dumb. Like really the issue is with Jason and Latrice who like Taylor's like locked in with like Taylor openly. Like, yeah.
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B
Remember, remember too that D is good with Taylor and Jason in a way that the rest of the alliance isn't. So her breaking the tie against Taylor would be devastating for her relationship with Lala and Jason.
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C
Yeah. And also Devin's all day yesterday was like going around being like, I want Taylor's day. I want to vote to keep Taylor. I want Taylor above everyone. So Taylor. So Devin's might have to figure that out himself too. But I do think like coming together, I do think agree that Ashley's the most likely to stay. I think Josh is the most likely to leave right now.
- [74:33]
B
Yes. Devin's does talk to Barrett later and Barrett lets him know about Angela's paranoia. This is funny because they're in little hats, cats from the birthday celebration. Barrett tells him about Angela being super paranoid and how Drew is totally fine and this his information is. Is totally good. And. And Devin's does say like, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Even I was starting to doubt a little bit because, you know, he said that the. The Rice Krispie thing was like a tactic to manipulate me to make me feel to like him more. But then like Jason said pretty Much. Straight up, like, oh, I'm doing this to get you to like me more. And it made me think, like, maybe Drew is exaggerating the, like, the malice behind it a little bit because it's so ridiculous. But Barrett is able to come in and be like, no, no. I. I did hear in this converse in a conversation with Jason about how he was bragging about manipulating Angela. So it does kind of track that he would be doing the same with you. And. And it would be kind of crazy to make that up if you're Drew and. And Devin's like, yeah, I mean. Yeah. I mean, kind of crazy to do or make up, really. But yes. So again, we're kind of like, locking this down. Angela is actually going to apologize later to D and Barrett for being so paranoid. She says, I'm good with Drew now. Like, I'm done being paranoid about Drew. We'll see how. How much that actually sticks. But, you know, so that seems to be settled. The Drew question, the vote question, the red corner thing. It's a messy day for crossovers, but by the end of the day, they're in a pretty good place again.
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C
They are in a pretty good place. I'll give Angela not being paranoid to Drew to noon today. And then I think we might be back at where we started. But I genuinely think, like, today we'll just be locking in the fact that Ashley staying over both Taylor and Yash. And the question then becomes, okay, who do we prefer to go home? Taylor or Yash? And I. And I genuinely believe, because I think all three nominees are doing decent work. I'll complain about their. Their campaigning later on, but I generally think Taylor Yash thing has nothing to do with Taylor Yash. It has everything to do with Rome and Jason.
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B
Yeah, I mean, if. If Taylor. If Yash wins Blockbuster and Taylor is evicted over Ashley, I would say, you know, the originating source of that is ultimately probably Jason. I think that without the knowledge of. Without Jason leaking his intentions to Drew, getting back to the other side, I think they were also fine with Taylor Stanks. They thought they were good with Taylor, Lala and Jason. And knowing that Jason is anti them and that Lala is close to Jason and that Taylor's close to Lala, and theoretically, then, therefore, Jason was like, we need to take out a number from Jason. Jason's side. And for the record, they don't call it Jason's side. They call it Rome's side, even though it's really Jason's side, in my opinion. But. But they still feel that Same way. And it's all because of this stuff that came from Jason and if Jason had been a bit more careful or just like not feel those things in the first place, perhaps, or just not
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C
tell people that you felt those things.
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B
Exactly. You know, none of this would have happened. I do think Taylor probably would have been good. It's very much not Taylor's fault in any real capacity because Taylor's not even fully aware of all of that stu going on. So, you know, it's, it's unfortunate for Taylor but. But really, Ashley hasn't done that much wrong either and Yash hasn't done that much wrong either. Though Taylor probably has performed the best of the three nominees. It's just not always up to you at this point.
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C
Yeah, it's, I will say here's the hiccup, I think here's where I'm annoyed with Taylor and Taylor and Lala were talking with, with Mallory, I think saying, hey, we need to form this alliance. We need to make sure it's a power alliance, like maybe six people, maybe seven people, and we'll form it next week. And I'm like, what? Wait, what?
- [78:35]
B
Yeah, I, I know exactly what conversation you're talking about because I had the same reaction. I mean, to be fair, like, to some degree I think there's, there is some value in waiting until a week later to make an alliance given that there's, there's no more HOH decisions left to go and it might be useful to see who wins the next HOH before you make a super big commitment. But for the most part, I don't think that's an actual good excuse. I think that you should always make the alliance. We've seen this happen before. Like you can have the intention of doing it and then when you, the momentum drifts, you just never end up doing it. We saw that a lot in 26. And on top of that, if you're on the block, like, just make it happen. Just go, go, go. So, yeah, that was, that was frustrating.
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C
Yeah. Because I generally think, like, I'm not saying Taylor would have stayed, but I think you, you see Lyric and Mallory, who I think is closest to Taylor of the three, you can argue Yash, but I think is Taylor based on the way especially Lyric went to Taylor telling Taylor stuff. But like Lyric and Mallory are like, you know, I don't know, I just want to go with the house. It's because they haven't locked something in concrete with Taylor and Lala. Like they feel good about Rome. They're doing all this other stuff. But they particularly like Taylor and Melody don't like Taylor because I think Melody thinks Taylor lied about Yash. I don't know if Taylor did it on purpose or she just got bad information from Jason. But, like, that is a sticky point between Melody and Taylor. And this is something we see like frequently every season because, look, Taryn, I love split house. I love Big Brother says I love the split houses are fun. But more times than not, we see what's happening here where one side is getting solid, unified together and the other side are not unified. There is infighting between the sides. They do not trust each other fully. And that's why I feel like the Red Cross, they could dominate at least the prejudice part of this game.
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B
They could, but it will probably require them winning competitions because despite the other side not being locked in, it's pretty unlikely that they'd nominate one another at this point. But you never know. This is the main thing I think that the day taught me is that the crossovers came in with some good prep knowledge, but still have a lot to learn experientially in terms of how to execute and, and, and utilize the power that they hold. You know, I think again, a lot of, you know, you think to the really effective dominant alliances and of course Anthony Douglas himself and the pretty boys and Big Brother Canada was really, really good at this. Of like, hey, when you have all of this influence, when you have all of these connections, you can use those connections to change people's minds. You don't have to brute force things. You can just slide things in your favor. And that's, I think like on Survivor, that's not really how you play on Survivor. You play by grabbing the numbers by force and just like brute forcing a vote. So, so often I'm not saying there isn't subtleties to Survivor and there aren't like some interesting intricacies you can do with the vote. But like on Big Brother, it's much more a game of influence war than it is about, like, numbers, strictly war. And so you can have Drew go to Melody and really just work hard on her. And then Melody tries to convince Lyric and Mallory and whoever else she's talking to. And you can have D go to Kamu and be like, hey, I really think we should keep Ashley and here's why. And comma. And. And we sort of saw this inadvertently happen because Angela went to Kamu and actually got him to flip around. And you can have Devin's go to Rome and you can have. Have like, you can. You can slowly sort of branch out and you can have multiple angles, multiple people come at the same person from different sides. We saw, of course, Mickey do this very effectively last season and when she orchestrated the. The thing to help Ashley stay off the block when Vince was hoh, just have a bunch of people come in all saying similar things or scripted in the case of Anthony Douglas. Like, this is. This is the way that you can make these things happen. And I think they need to, like. Like, I think perhaps they are learning it. I would. I would sort of hope, given the situation, but. But it was interesting to me, of course, to sort of, like, be able to see some of the cracks in terms of both the paranoia and the, like, gaps in knowledge, ability stuff. So, you know, I don't think we're quite in it for. For. For a steamroll just yet, but. But we'll see, by the way, a couple other pieces of information, of course. Course D in her camera talk after Kamu left, did mention that while not liking Haley, still she does like Kamu a lot. And of the red corner, Kamu is the one person that she would want to protect and bring as far as possible. She did enjoy the conversation with him and, you know, expect that, and I do think that's an incredibly valuable connection for her. And speaking of Kamu, Haley did let him know late in the night that Jason has been talking about putting Kamu on the block, which was news to Kamu, and he is now like, oh, well, screw Jason then. I guess I'll put him on the block. So Jason just continuing to get in
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C
more and more trouble, you know, like, I would like, this is for future Bit Bear players. You don't need to lie.
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B
You.
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C
You generally don't. You don't need to just make stuff up whole clothes because people talk, people compare notes. And when things are not passing the sniff test, that could, like, do so much damage to you and your reputation in the house where people can't even trust you, like, even if they like you. They're like, yeah, but this person talks to Mud. I don't know if I can trust what they're saying. Oh, they're talking to everybody X, Y and Z. And I think Jason has fell into that trap. I don't see Jason having longevity into this game even if he, like, straightened up staring. Even if today, tomorrow, and the day after that. Jason's doing everything he needs to while he's immune to like. Like a normal Big Brother player would do to guarantee their safety moving forward. I think it's too late for him. I think he is one of the more likely people to be gone in the next two, three weeks, if I'm being honest with you.
- [85:03]
B
Yes, I, I, I was. Thank you again, Daniel, in the chat for reminding me that it was not Vince that was hoh, it was Laura. And I, I genuinely forgot that Lauren was the hoh that week.
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C
No one can blame you, Terry.
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B
All right, that's about what I've got For you today, A.J. anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday?
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C
Two things. One game thing, one not game thing. Lyric. Mallory, Melody, that trio. I hated how they were talking about keeping Ashley just to put Ashley up on the bot next week. Like, that. That made no sense to be there. Like, if you.
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B
And this is what I'm talking about, where it's like, it could be so easy to pick up their votes Votes for no reason, you know, like, like the other side is just not locked in enough. And if you get in there early, you really could potentially get this vote to be locked in without any extra work. But, yes, they basically what they were saying was, like, she'd be great, a great person to, like, use as a pawn. Because, like, here's the thing. As hoh in the blockbuster era, you have to nominate three people, and perpetual pawns become incredibly valuable. And I think with the level of knowledge that is starting to enter the house house, people are aware that perpetual pawns exist ahead of time. Usually they learn it over time, but now they're like, well, yeah, obviously you nominate somebody who's already been nominated because now they have more hoh to be mad at and so on and so forth. And so Ashley, in a weird way, is starting to become valuable in their minds as somebody that's, like, just an easy nom to get out of the way. Now, is that a good idea to have? I don't think so, but that's where they're coming from. I think think that's.
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C
I, I think that's fair. I, I'm just more a person of, hey, you're in a not great position. Y' all all know y' all not in a majority alliance. Everyone in their mama knows that Ashley's with nobody. Yo, pick her up. Like, if other people want to nominate Ashley, make her the perpetual pawn. Sure, go for it. However, like, Ashley did gravitate towards all for some period of time. Use her. Make her one of your numbers. Make her feel good about you. Like, here's the d. Should I have been able to grab Ashley like Barrett and Drew should not have as much sway over Ashley as they currently do. It should be those girls and I think particularly Melody. We saw this with Melody, with Mallory when she was nominated. They are just too willing to, like, not play with the people who are nominated and on the block. And you, you got, you got to stop being scared of that. You have to like, buck up and do it.
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B
There's way too much talk about, like, we want to keep our core tight. We want to like, keep these people on the outskirts. It's like, like, like I, I've, I've talked about this before. I've talked about this before. I often refer to the early game of Big Brother as Hungry Hungry Hippos. It is just who can grab the most pieces in as frantic a race as possible and then you can sort them later. Like, just make sure you have the pieces first and don't let them go and drift off to other. Other people or groups.
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C
Groups.
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B
And it is worth pointing out that yes, Dee did talk to Ashley again later in the night and started to work on her as like the, you know, we want to keep you here kind of thing again. Anything else, aj, did you already do the non game related thing?
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C
Oh, and I just think this is a cute thing. Y' all don't have to go back and watch this. It was Latrice's birthday yesterday. She was 58. And both Chuck and Devin had like, such cute conversations with Latrice on the hammock about missing home and like, how valued she is. And it was like a sweet, heartwarming moment, warming moment. And I think I'm here for the games. I love the games, but I also love the character moments and the emotional, raw feelings about that. And that was just a sweet moment that I wanted to bring up.
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B
Yes. Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, Adrian, for being here today. A long one. It was a, it was a big, big day trying to get through, especially because, like, so much of it became irrelevant. But I wanted to try to take you through the ups and downs because I think it's useful information about, like, how crossovers in particular is moving, which will help potentially inform you on, like, how they might move again in the future. So keep all of that in mind. Of course. I'll be back tomorrow morning, 11am Eastern, to update you and everything that happens today on the big brother 28 live feeds. I will also be live tonight on Patreon, Twitch and YouTube. Patreon's the best place to be for me to watch tonight's episode. There'll also be a recap after the episode. I am not on the Wednesday recaps. That is my. My. I mean, you could call it a night off, but I am still doing a lot of podcasting and streaming during the day and. And I'm streaming during the episode at night, but it's my recap night off. And of course, tomorrow night, we'll have the eviction and. And everything happening there. Aj, what do you got going on?
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C
So I'm currently in, like, my nostalgia bag right now. Me and the great Felipe on the animation station podcast. We are watching every single Pixar movie, discussing it, ranking them. It's a fun time. Also, me and the great Matt Liguori on the Free Age Millennial TV podcast, talking about millennial TV shows. I think Mary's talking about Matt about Suite Life is at Cody. I'm talking to Matt about Drake and Josh. So we're having fun over there. It's a good time. Please come check us out. We're having a good time.
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B
All right, well, thank you all so much for joining us here today. I will see all of you next time.