BB28 Wednesday Veto Ep Recap, Week 1

Summary

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RHAP: We Know Big Brother — BB28 Wednesday Veto Ep Recap, Week 1 (July 16, 2026)

Episode Theme

The RHAP panel—Rob Cesternino, Mike Bloom, and Jacob Jones—breaks down Week 1’s Veto episode for Big Brother 28, diving deep into the drama around icons, game moves, showmances, and live feed chaos. The hosts analyze key moments, particularly Angela’s emotional turn, and preview the season’s unique time-travel theme, voting shenanigans, and unpredictable cast dynamics.

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Key Episode Segments & Insights

1. Panel Introductions and the Return of “Summer of Stein”

• (02:13) Rob: Kicks off with intros and announces Eric Stein’s long-awaited return for weekly BB28 coverage, bringing back “Summer of Stein.”
• (04:55) Mike: Recaps Stein's legendary contributions in previous seasons. "If you love the slop, this is like the slop, essentially."
• (05:43) Mike: Talks about the chaos and alumni presence in the chat, with "25 Big Brother alumni, but like 2500 messages going on at the same time."

2. Are There Really Icons This Season?

• (06:28-07:47) Jacob: Expresses skepticism about the “reality TV icons” label. "Were any icons in the building?...When you say icons, I'm thinking icon" (07:15).
• (07:20) Jacob: Names his icons: “Tiffany Mitchell, Jen Johnson, Taylor Hill…bring in Ozzy, bring in Tony.”
• (08:00) Angela Debate: Rob and Jacob banter if Angela is truly an icon. Mike points out the different definitions: "She’s Mount Rushmore in terms of just pure entertainment" (08:16).

3. Angela’s Diary Room Breakdown & Jason’s Dubious Move

• (09:07-10:32) Angela’s “crying” scene: The panel debates if her DR breakdown was genuine.
  • Jacob: “It was an inner cry…sometimes you just need a good he-haw and a good scrunched face” (09:32).
  • Mike: Considers the edit's ambiguity, but sees the emotion as real given the context.
• (10:32-15:43) Jason’s “Dead Mom” Lie:
  • Rob: Describes Jason’s risky play faking an emotional bond with Angela and then bragging to others.
  • Mike: "It just does not necessarily feel like the greatest opening line to forming an alliance" (15:43).
  • Jacob: See’s Jason’s motivations as partly jealousy for not being included as an 'icon' (13:01).
  • Memorable quote: "He's thinking that this is a bigger gag than it actually is. Oh my gosh, guys, I just told somebody that they replaced my passed away mother." – Jacob (17:44)

4. The Social Fallout and Prospects

• (18:09-21:58) Angela’s Trigger – Being Tricked:
  • Mike and Rob discuss how Angela is sensitive about being deceived, relating her arc to past Survivor players like Joe.
  • Jacob: “Jason seems very charismatic...but he seems very charismatic that he can...‘Oh Angela, you know that was a Kiki, come on. You know I didn’t mean that, you my girl.’” (21:30)
• (22:07-23:20) Jason's Over-Gaming:
  • Mike: “He made like three separate trios over the course of one evening and then proceeded to tell the other trios about the other trios he had going on.” (22:10)

5. Melody, Lyric, and the Art of Self-Sabotage

• (23:20-24:55) Melody’s Edit & Social Missteps:
  • Jacob (on Melody): “I think Melody is a freak and a fraud.” (23:33)
  • Mike: “Melody...has a very good game sense...but the way she went about it was ham-fisted, to put it mildly.” (24:55)
• (25:42-26:40) Handling the Mallory Situation:
  • Melody’s attempt to distance from Mallory comes off as inauthentic to both house and panel.
  • Jacob: “That just does not make sense. And that's not effortless. Melody has no...game, like, game not in the strategic manner, game in the people reading…She just doesn't have that concept.” (26:14)

6. Lyric & Rome: A New School Showmance

• (27:03-31:15) Discussion of Lime ("Limewire") Showmance:
  • Jacob (suspicious): “You asking…can you see me outside of here? We on day four. I just got out of a Love Island coma…” (27:34)
  • Mike (embracing): “I'm digging Rome and Lyric. It's lime time, baby. I'm on the Limewire.” (28:52)
  • Rob: “I did feel like there was a shift in Roman Lyric where...it was getting a little schmoopy by episode number three tonight.” (28:17)
  • Mike: “They seem like a relatively non problematic couple…these are two nice people who are very into each other.” (30:39)

7. The Wild Veto Competition: Pipe Dream Meets Time Travel

• (31:39-39:17) Time Travel Plot, Howie's Return, and Dr. Will’s Villainy:
  • Mike (on BB28’s time theme): “Is it volcanically hot take to say that the premiere of Big Brother 28 was maybe one of my favorites ever­­...a tapestry of canon into the Big Brother universe…” (31:39)
  • Jacob: "Who I wanted to see was...one of the best looking men on reality TV, period. I'm Julie Chen introducing the icon to the icon house." (32:42)
  • Jokes about Howie, Dr. Will's refusal to interact, and the legendary “Big Brother cruise.”

8. Veto Comp Results, Challenge Throwbacks, and Gameplay Discussion

• (38:34) Mike: “It was nice to see this [new challenge type].”
• (39:17-39:40) Rob: Confirms they're using throwback comps: “I think that what they are doing...they’re trying to run some classic challenges this season.”
• Mallory wins the veto, nullifying Melody's move.

9. Replacement Nominee and Ashley’s “Burger-Gate”

• Ashley’s Bizarre Claims:
  • Jacob: "I saw this scene, and I immediately thought, liar…when the hot girl wants to quirky and cool. Oh, guys, I've never tasted water." (44:27)
  • Mike: “She has never eaten a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in her life…she’s cycling it [her storyline].” (45:21)
• Ashley as Nominee:
  • D’s logic is to “pick from every group;” Ashley becomes the easy replacement.

10. Lala’s Adversity (49:07) and Angela’s Calamities

• Rob: “Lala…my arm got cut off. In 2009, my head came completely off…Lala, I love a redemption story, but damn.” (48:45)
• Angela breaks the tub: “Do we blame shoddy craftsmanship here?” – Mike (51:03)
  Jacob: "Big booty. Big booty Work, Angela." (50:24)

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Live Feed & Vote Drama

11. Live Feed Update: Flipping Votes and Paranoia

• (54:20-57:01) Spoiler Warning & Vote Fluctuations
• Mike: “No one’s particularly like going to bat for any of them…it's more so them kind of being used as proxies as we are slowly approaching the possibility of a split house for this vote.” (55:30)
• Jacob: Sees Ashley as the obvious boot: “I’m hoping that Ashley...can just be gone.” (56:58)
• Mike: Outlines shifting alliances—at one point, Taylor seems doomed, but the house flips back to targeting Ashley. “Completely full circle.” (63:02)
• Rob: “If Ashley played her way out of being completely safe this morning into being evicted tonight, I do love that…” (63:02)
• Mike: “Ashley...made a couple of key critical errors here...it doesn’t necessarily seem like she has anyone defending her at this point.” (63:52)

12. Angela’s Increasing Paranoia & Icon Dynamics

• (65:43-68:52): Angela spirals after doubts about Drew, HOH cam surveillance, and alliance suspicions.
  • Mike: “Angela has not been able to trust Drew entirely. He reminds her too much of that rascally Quinn Martin. And so she doesn’t want to get fooled again.” (65:44)
  • Angela dubs Drew “droopy eyes.”

13. D & Barrett Flirtmance

• Jacob: “I think Barrett’s about to be derailed...he’s about to get the cheerleader…Somewhere, I think these about to turn him every which way but loose.” (70:02)
• Mike: “He’s all that...he’s about to have his 'he’s all that' moment.” (71:38)

14. Who Should Be the Next HOH?

• Jacob: “I would like to see Rome become the new HOH just so him and Lyric can go up there and do what they want to do.” (74:41)
• Mike: “I think if we put Roman there and truly give him all the power for the week, it’s going to be incredibly entertaining.” (75:31)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Angela’s Diary Room Debate (09:32)

"It was an inner cry...sometimes you just need a good he-haw and a good scrunched face." – Jacob

On Showmances & “Lime” Alliance (28:52)

"I'm digging Rome and Lyric. It's lime time, baby. I'm on the Limewire." – Mike

Jason’s Risky Storytelling (15:43)

"It just does not necessarily feel like the greatest opening line to forming an alliance." – Mike

Angela’s Flare for Drama (68:45)

"We had like a little bit of like an Angela Crash out light…not going full Angela Crash out, you know, a little more like a cherry bomb than a full firework." – Mike

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Important Timestamps

• 02:13 – Episode proper begins, panel intros
• 07:20 – Reality icons: Who really counts?
• 09:07 – Angela’s “inner cry”/Jason’s move analyzed
• 17:44 – Jason’s prank retold, jury still out on the humor
• 23:33 – Melody “freak and a fraud,” showmance lines drawn
• 28:52 – “Lime” showmance debates
• 31:39 – Time-travel theme, Howie & Dr. Will cameo, BB cruise
• 38:34 – Mallory wins veto
• 44:27 – Ashley’s burger claims scrutinized (“fraudulent freak”)
• 48:45 – Lala’s accident history segment
• 51:03 – Angela breaks the tub
• 54:20 – Feed & spoiler discussion, vote shifting drama
• 65:43 – Angela’s paranoia surveillance sequence
• 70:02 – Barrett & D flirtmance
• 74:41 – HOH hopes: Rome or Jason for chaos

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Overall Tone

Lively, irreverent, and quick to call out both players and each other, the hosts deliver their insights with a mix of fandom, insider knowledge, and playful roasting—reflecting the fun, unpredictable tone of Big Brother itself. The energy is “sick, nasty, freaky and fraud,” as Jacob puts it, matching the out-of-control week in the BB house.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This recap episode covers not just what aired but the crucial undercurrents shaping Week 1: shifting alliances, the “icon” controversy, Jason’s high-wire emotional blunders, Angela’s diary room moments, the “Lime” showmance, live feed chaos, evolving votes, and the new time-travel twist. The panel also previews upcoming RHAP programming and pays tribute to the return of “Summer of Stein.” Their outlook: the BB28 cast is messy—in a fun way—with plenty of danger, drama, and potential for the season ahead.

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Transcript

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Jacob Jones]

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Rob Cestrinino]

Hey, everybody, what's going on? Rob Cestrinino back here on a Wednesday night for our recap of the veto episode of Big Brother. We've got so much to talk about here tonight with our panel. First joining us, he just got done talking with Julie Chen Moonves here today [e-mail] give it up for Mike Bloom.

[Mike Bloom]

Thrilled to be here, Rob. Yeah, actually, no lie. The very first thing Julie Chan Moonves said when I saw her on Zoom today was, you look like you don't age. And now I fear that I may have some will talks in my. And I don't realize it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Will talks or won't talks? We'll find out. And here with us, a man who doesn't need Any will talks whatsoever. The great Jacob Jones is here tonight. Jacob, how are you?

[Jacob Jones]

I am. I was just telling Robin Mike that I feel very dreamy today and I feel very chatty and kind of on the podcast with y' all today. I feel very. What did Taylor say? Erotic.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Erotic and erratic sometimes a perfect description

[Jacob Jones]

of Jacob Jones at the same time.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes, always. So we're very excited to be here with you live here tonight. We are 24 hours away from a busy live eviction coming up on Thursday and we've got so much going on because we mentioned it was big Julie Chen press day. We could talk about that and hear what she was having to say about everything.

[Jacob Jones]

We.

[Rob Cestrinino]

We are headed into our live eviction now that we know all three nominees. Big news was announced today in rhap World as we had a video that went viral to announce a big staple of the lineup is back this summer. The summer of Stein is here, at least for now. Eric has committed to be with us this Thursday. We'll see how it goes week after week.

[Mike Bloom]

But is this not part of some sort of like court mandated order after he got busted for being one of three masterminds behind last season?

[Rob Cestrinino]

This could be yes. This is. Yes. To do some charitable work in the Big Brother community. And so here he is. Well, I will be talking with Eric Stein coming up tomorrow. Hopefully a part of you every Thursday here in Big Brother 28 or until Eric has had enough. Okay, how about that?

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, I'm thrilled for those who are not in the know who came to Big Brother or hp, maybe a little late Summer of Stein was what, a two, two season staple, Rob? I think it was Big Brother 20 and 21. If you love the slop. This is like the slope essentially.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. There was a winter of Stein also. And so very excited to get back with Eric. I. I'm not even sure we did two summer signs. I think we might have done one. And a winter of Stein. I'm not sure we could go back into the annals of history and talk about it. Of course, we're also excited to be here live also on chat bcc where we have so much fun during the episode. What would you say, Mike, there is about what, 25 Big Brother alumni talking during the episode?

[Mike Bloom]

25 Big Brother, but like 2500 messages going on at the same time. There's a lot of discussion not only about what's going on on this season, but others. There was a really interesting question, actually a juicy one that was thrown out as to like, who do you Hate of the people you competed with on your season. So again, if you want discussion of not only the current season, but past ones, a Big Brother as well, you got to get on the chat. Bcc. I actually believe perhaps some counter programming. I believe Brenshell might be live on chat. BCC.

[Rob Cestrinino]

We're live, I think BB28CH. Go over there and see everything that's going on BB28 chat. Even if you're listening after the fact, join them for every episode. All right, Jacob, how are you feeling during BB28?

[Mike Bloom]

Hold on.

[Rob Cestrinino]

What happened? We lost Jacob's audio. You're muted.

[Mike Bloom]

Okay.

[Jacob Jones]

I just. When I was muted, I never hit the mute button back. But I feel very good, especially this week, about this current season, about Big Brother. One thing I do have to say. They said we were bringing reality TV icons.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes.

[Jacob Jones]

Were any icons in the building?

[Rob Cestrinino]

I don't know.

[Jacob Jones]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't throw tomatoes at me. But, you know, when I hear reality TV icons, I'm thinking the names of the names. I'm thinking Rob C. You know what I mean? I'm thinking people sort of in that era. But, you know, I'll take it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mike Bloom]

Who. Who qualifies the most as an icon? Power Rank them for us.

[Jacob Jones]

I think I'll just give you three off the bat. Tiffany Mitchell.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

Icon.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Sure.

[Jacob Jones]

I would say I heard remnants of Jen Johnson. Icon.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Icon.

[Mike Bloom]

Sure.

[Jacob Jones]

Icon. Right. Let's also throw in Taylor Hill.

[Mike Bloom]

Okay.

[Jacob Jones]

Icon. Sure. So and from Survivor, if you really want, I mean, why not bring in Ozzy Icon?

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

Right. Why not bring in Tony Icon? Why not? You can snap and name a name and. But I'm happy. I'm not. I'm not gonna complain too much, you know, but when you say icons, I'm thinking icon.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah.

[Rob Cestrinino]

How about Angela? How do you feel about Angela coming back?

[Jacob Jones]

How do I feel about Angela coming back? Angela, do you think Angela is an icon?

[Rob Cestrinino]

I think she's a Big Brother icon. Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

I think. I think Angela is good on Big Brother.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah. I think the definition of icon is always the most intriguing because not only is beauty in the eye of the beholder, but I feel like there's, like, for certain people's definition, like a time of marination. Like, you bring up a lot of people. Tiffany, I think, is the lone exception. Jacob, the names you brought up of, like, people who played in the 2000s or even the 2000s who maybe have either been in our screen time and time again or haven't been on in a long time. And, you know, the most. The earliest person to play on reality TV out of these three icons is Rick Devins, who, as we saw from the premiere, we time traveled back to, you know, the bygone era of 2018. So it's a. It's a good question considering that Angela has only been on, you know, one season compared to some of those other names you listed. I think she's an icon, though. I think she's. She's Mount Rushmore in terms of just pure entertainment as a Big Brother player. One season wonder. Wow.

[Jacob Jones]

Okay.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. And as was teased in the episode that Angela was going to give us her first maybe tears. It's unclear. I saw people wondering that we saw Angela have a bit of a breakdown in the diary room. People were looking for. Were there tears from Angela? Was that a real Angela cry that she had the diary room? What do you think? It was an inner.

[Jacob Jones]

It was an inner cry.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Inner cry.

[Jacob Jones]

Like, you don't need tears all the time. Sometimes you just need a good he haw and a good scrunched face. And that's what she provided for us.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. What do you think, Mike?

[Mike Bloom]

I. Did we get a cut? Was there a noticeable cut between. Because we cut between a number of times of her crying and then her sitting fairly dry, dyed, talking to the camera. We don't know how long she was in that diary room for. There's a good chance that she, like, asks for a Kleenex to wipe up the tracks of her tears and then to gain that resolve to tell Jason what's for. So I'm not willing to sort of throw the baby out with the bathwater of salty tears at this point and say that it was all entirely fake. I think that this reaction is. Is totally in Angela's realizing we'll certainly get into it that I think that. I personally think the reaction is also very understandable and deserved given some of the material behind it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, let's talk about that because we know from this week that Jason really has not been a fan of the returnees. We heard more about his dislike of Rick Devins and some of the things that he was going to do. I'm not sure if we will see them in the episode or not. Where on the feeds, Jason was trying to make slop Rice Krispie treats for Rick Devins. It was his daughter Juju's birthday and he was trying to do something nice for Rick Devins, allegedly. But it was really. He was telling people it was not because he likes Rick Devins, is because he's trying to trick Rick Devins. But we did see in the episode, which I feel like that this was talked about much less. I'm not sure if this moment happened on the feeds where Jason and Angela are laying down together, and he said, I lost my mom. You're my new mom. Mike, was this something that people had seen? Do we know about this?

[Mike Bloom]

I am trying to recall. I don't believe so. I think we've definitely seen some moments between Angela and Jason. I just feel like with the, you know, Dewey Decimal system that Big Brother fans have set up in terms of a compendium of live feeds tracking every single minute that happens. If there was a conversation here where Jason went so far, I feel like we would have known.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

People are saying in the chat that apparently it was on feeds. It must have been very early on, considering. I mean, obviously all this is very early on. But, yeah, Suffice it to say, I think that as much as Mr. Announcer Guy and, you know, Big Brother nation at large likes to poke fun of, like, oh, Angela's prone to meltdowns. You know, when somebody trifles with her, she'll drop an atom bomb of a reaction. Like, this is an incredibly personal thing, you know? And for the record, Jason's mom is. Has. Has. Has left us. Like, that is true. He did not lie about not a Johnny Fairplay situation. You don't want to go full fair play, but he actually maybe did a little bit worse than fair play in that Johnny Fair Play did not say his grandmother was dead and then go to Burton and be like, hey, just so you know, my grandma's dead. Or not dead, I should say.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, great line from Corey in the chat who said on Rick Devin's daughter's birthday, Jacob, what do you make of all this?

[Jacob Jones]

I think that the emotions in the theatrics was a little bit too far to Mike's point. I get why Angela reacted how she did, but if I'm coming on a reality show, especially from another reality show, that I'm thinking, oh, my goodness, I'm about to be the star of this, and I see three other people mosey on it. Oh, I'm pissed. I'm pissed. What do you mean Angela with the theatrics is going to come in here? What do you mean? D. With the charisma, with the confidence, with the earnestness is going to come in here? What do you mean America's dad is going. Coming. The drag queen is coming up in here. Is that not enough applause on its own? So I would be mad, do have to say Angela, as to people that, you know, attribute Angela to icon status. Angela has gave houseguests hell. We saw it. So why not Angela be put through some hell? Why not?

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, I, I was surprised that we got in the diary room from Jason that it did seem like part of his motivation is, wait, why are they reality TV icons and I'm not?

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, I mean, this makes sense entirely. Jason comes from a show, RuPaul's Drag Race, that is a competition. But if you talk to anybody who has watched a fair amount of seasons of the show, you know that it is not only a competition within the show, but also gaining airtime, you know, gaining the good edit, getting the favor of RuPaul and the judges. And so it also becomes a bit of a popularity contest baked into this entire competitive sense. And so I think it's a very, you know, predictable reaction from somebody like Jason to have these other people shine a little brighter than him and feel like, you know, he has been living in the shadows by comparison. I mean, again, he wasn't even brought in as one of the three. Even though he's able to lie about the fact that he's been on two seasons of reality tv. You got to imagine he's so stewing a little bit at the mere idea that these three other people, you know, one of whom only played on one season of reality tv, get the pomp and circumstance and red carpet rolled out across the sands of time. Well, he just brought, he got brought in as a normie.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I think so, yes.

[Jacob Jones]

His season of Drag Race, his second time on, I believe is the current season that's finishing airing right now. So on top of that, who, Jason, who's just been on TV, been tweeting, being Instagramming, IMDb pages updated, he walks in on hot stuff. So the fact that, oh, wait, okay, Big brother cute. The challenge cute. Survivor cute. What about the doll? And what about the doll?

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, and I mean, I think for what it's worth, like the arguments that he has been making have been sound from a newbies perspective even. Let's, let's take, you know, the, the green eyed monster that is jealousy and put it to the now. I mean, there is the idea that these people command large fan bases. There isn't a lore that they bring, they become easy shields to a lot of people as we see with Barrett and Drew of, well, they're always going to go for these reality icons above us they don't even know about the frickin time capsule voting and the fact that fan voting is going to be brought into it and is absolutely going to lean in the favor of these people who already have fan bases. The problem is, Jason, these are all inside thoughts and this is really what it comes down to. You can feel the way that you want to about whether you felt like this entire strategy crossed the line, whether it was good tv, some combination of the two, that this is going to be a barometer in which every reality TV player and fan measures things differently. But it is an objectively terrible idea to go to two people who you've never met before and say, all right, we're the. We're the Court jesters. Right? We're the pranksters. Well, let me tell you about the joke I just pulled on Angela. I told her that she's replacing my dead mom and I fake cried about it. That was a real, like Johnny Knoxville would be crying in his feet right now. Right. That's a real knee slapper. It just does not necessarily feel like the great, the greatest opening line to forming an alliance.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, that's the real messy part of it. I don't really have an issue that he did it. It's one thing to tell us in the diary room, but then to go and tell Drew and it seems like that he can't wait to tell everybody about this. It's really not that great of a plan. It's like he's monologuing and I'm thinking

[Jacob Jones]

he's, he's thinking that this is a bigger gag then it actually is. Kind of like, oh my gosh, guys, I just told somebody that they replaced my passed away mother.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes.

[Jacob Jones]

And everybody like, oh, okay. But so he's not really getting a reaction. And that's. I think it's a human reaction with Drew and what, Melody? So, yeah, it was a little weird.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. And Angela really, I do think that her thing that really gets her upset is people trying to trick her. And this is like this example of the thing that she didn't want to have happen this season. Here is a blatant example of somebody trying to trick her.

[Mike Bloom]

I think that's exactly it, Rob, because look, Angela is only the most recent example of a long list of reality TV contestants who come back into a game and say, this time I'm different, I've changed. We've seen a bevy of them in Survivor 50 and look where the vast majority of those went. And I have to imagine it must be incredibly tough to have that moment, if you do in the game where you realize I have not changed at all. This is who I am. And we'll certainly get into this. You know, they. They didn't show some of the other stuff Angela was doing on the feeds in this episode. Maybe we'll see it tomorrow night. But I have to imagine from Angela's perspective, yes, there is a good amount of hurt that happens because again, she felt this incredibly tight personal connection with Jason, felt very connected with him on a level only for him to kind of like throw these. These what seemed like very heavy topics of conversation to her, throw them away like they were nothing. But then at the same time, it's also serving as a bit of a confirmation bias to Angela of, like, nope, you're always just going to be that person who tries to make close relationships but ends up getting tricked. And look, you could quibble about whether or not that was actually the case in Big Brother 26. That was maybe her truth. Not the truth, but I think it stung doubly hard because it also meant to her, like, you're not so far away From Big Brother 26 Angela as you might think.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Mike, do you know who I think that person was in Survivor 50? The I don't want to be tricked person?

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, that's Joe.

[Rob Cestrinino]

No, it's Joe, right?

[Mike Bloom]

No, I would say that. I would say that Jason has more of the Joe storyline considering his hatred of Rick Devins.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. It's just so interesting that. So here's this person who's connected with Rick Devins again, who Joe was coming off of his season. I just don't want to be tricked. I don't like that. But Angela seems to have a different mindset where I think that she's like, okay, well, now two can play at this game. That's certainly not how Joe looked at Survivor.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, I would certainly say so. I don't know. What do you think, Jacob? Like, do you think that Jason has room to recover from here? Obviously he couldn't be on the block this week, but, like, considering that Drew outed everything to the vets, is he DOA the minute he's not safe?

[Jacob Jones]

I think basically he is, but on his side he isn't. So I think, yeah, he thinks he has something genuine with Drew and with Melody, but on the other side with. With Lala, with Taylor, with Rome, I think Rome's on that side is wrong. Yes, Rome is on that side. So with them, I think he's good. But with the other side, I think it's complete. And especially how Drew is going around everybody. You know, Jason was saying this. Jason was saying that. Jason was saying this and getting the crew riled up. Yeah, he's toast. I hope he can, but he seems very charismatic that he can. Oh, Angela, you know that was a key. Come on. You know I didn't mean that you, my girl. Very Kiki Palmer esque that I feel like Jason has in him.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, he seems like he does have some really great abilities to be able to do this. It seems like he can pull people together. So I'm not totally out on him yet. And I also think that he still has the bonus life of that if he is busted, he does have the ability to reveal himself to the other icons and join them.

[Jacob Jones]

That's so silly.

[Mike Bloom]

See, I was just conspiring against you so it would hide our eventual reality TV star alliance. No one would expect it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Do you think he wouldn't do that, Mike?

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, when you're backed into a corner, you can do anything desperate. Especially with someone like Jason, who I think is kind of suffering from the over gaming that we see from a couple of people, especially this early on in the season. I mean, we're not even talking about the fact that he made like three separate trios over the course of one evening and then proceeded to tell the other trios about the other trios he had going on. I mean, this makes sense if you didn't see, you know, his most recent season of Drag Race. Like, he proved he was a social strategy girly by trying to. He made alliances with like half the people in his group. But then he ended up getting betrayed by one of said allies when he needed it the most. And so I think his. His ability to have a bunch of fingers in a bunch of different pots is difficult. When the water starts to boil and

[Jacob Jones]

he comes from the school of I just want to sit everyone down and tell them that I'm a social media mogul.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes. So

[Jacob Jones]

the house of Grande. So the secrets in the chamber will come out and I definitely think he's capable and willing and will most likely do it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

This was an interesting night with Melody on the episode. I really felt like that we got maybe a bit of a villain edit from Melody. Jacob, how do you feel about Melody?

[Jacob Jones]

I think. I think Melody is. I think Melody is a freak and a fraud.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Freak and a fraud.

[Jacob Jones]

I think I just saw a video of her sitting on Rome's lap being like something about under boob and Rome doing.

[Mike Bloom]

Wait, are you. I think you're Mixing up melody and lyrics.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I am.

[Jacob Jones]

Okay, Rob, who you think.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Tell me about Melody. Well, there's the two music names.

[Jacob Jones]

The two Lyric and Melody. I'm, I'm, I'm ready to get out the lyrics. So you. Next. Next question.

[Rob Cestrinino]

We'll talk about the lyric next.

[Jacob Jones]

I think, I think your songwriting process,

[Mike Bloom]

Jacob, usually go with the melody.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. But you want to know something? Melody is the fraud with her, with her pairing of lyrics. So lyric takes the other F. Melody takes the fraud and fraudulent across the board. You're telling a girl that thinks she's safe with you, oh, I'm not gonna use the power on you. You going around the house saying, hey, this girl that I've been hanging out with, kicking with, I'm not really that close with her. I see she's in deep stuff. I'm not that close with her. And they're all clocking your tea. Oh, my gosh. Boo on you. You're saying, oh, my God, the way she reacted, the way you're flicking this girl off you and not thinking. No one is caught up on game. Oh, please. So I'm not feeling it. I don't like the melody.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, it's tough, you know, if you, if you don't like the melody, it's tough to get into the lyrics that way. Then you really said, yeah, I, I do feel like Melody is someone who has a very good game sense. Like, it does make sense on paper that, hey, if not only someone you're closest to is getting nominated, but like, you catch when that they're being nominated because, like, they might be affiliated with the trio. And they're also slowly becoming Persona non grata because of the way they're reacting to this. Even though I think Mallory's certainly within her right to react the way that she certainly does, I think it makes sense on paper to be like, okay, who's Mallory? I think the way she went about it, though, was ham fisted, to put it mildly.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, it was bad all around. It was bad to Mallory where she said, yeah, I probably won't use the veto on you. It was to D when she went up there and said, hey, just so you know, I'm not close with Mallory

[Mike Bloom]

at all and I know what you're thinking, so I'll answer faq. Am I close with that early? No. Hate the girl. Yeah, horrible. Don't even like rockets. I want to stay on the earth.

[Rob Cestrinino]

So she was trying to do all this politicking and then just all the way around, everybody gave her negative reviews. For how she handled this.

[Jacob Jones]

And I wasn't surprised because if I clocked it from the screen, imagine how they're feeling. You've been hanging out, kicking it with this girl, and now you want to denounce her when she's in a bad situation. Like, that just does not make sense. And that's not effortless. Melody has no. What do they call it? What do they call it? Game. Like, game. Not in the strategic manner. Game in the people reading. When to put things down, when to pack things up, when to move away. She just doesn't have that concept with her.

[Mike Bloom]

And what's more, if she is distancing herself from Mallory because she feels like Mallory is making a bad first impression. What first impression are you giving off Melody by being like, I guess, to quote the aforementioned Kiki Palmer, I don't know this woman.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I don't know at all. All right, Jacob, tell us about Lyric and Rob.

[Jacob Jones]

Okay, so I just before I hopped on and turned the camera on, I turned on my phone and I saw a video. Oh, this bikini makes me have Rome acting like a dog. I'm like, oh, they getting freaky in the Big Brother house. Is crazy. Day two, day four. You asking, oh, my God, can you see me outside of here? We on day four. I just got out of a love island coma that I am. Oh, glad that I am freed from.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes.

[Jacob Jones]

They had me by my throat.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes.

[Jacob Jones]

And I liked it. And I would do it again. So I didn't want to come to Big Brother to see people. Day two, kissing in the bed, thinking about having babies in the Big Brother house, thinking about cuddling every night. Oh, can I sneak off with Lyric lyrics? So good at making us make sure we have our alone time. What the hell is this? So I'm not for it. And, well, you know what? If I'm in a hotel, this is day two. If I'm in a hotel for I don't know how long, and I come in and I see something nice. Oh,

[Rob Cestrinino]

so you can't play.

[Jacob Jones]

I don't know how that.

[Mike Bloom]

I don't know. You should take a lesson from messenger from the future, Howie. Find a jack shack in the house. That's how the icons got through it back in the day.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, like, I did feel like that there was a shift in Roman Lyric where that in Sunday night's episode, I felt like that Big Brother was kind of goofing on Roman Lyric, But I did feel like that it was getting a little schmoopy by Episode number three tonight.

[Mike Bloom]

Well, I mean, Mr. Announcer said it best Shakespearean esque dialogue of Meanwhile Lyric and Rome rebuilding a partnership less on strategic gameplay and more on smoochie smoochie. Allow me to take the polar opposite opinion of Mr. Jones here. I'm. I'm digging Roman lyrics.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Sure thing.

[Mike Bloom]

It's lime time, baby. I'm on the limewire.

[Rob Cestrinino]

What if we download the song?

[Mike Bloom]

Because here's the thing to me, like, it seems like, it seems like they are very authentically into each other and say what you want to. Again, everyone has different barometers as to like, how much should showmances be mixed into this game that we love so much? And especially the edit. But like it does. Like I see the candor and authenticity in the words that they're saying to each other. They might have these BB goggles on at this point and you know, yeah, when things as soon as they get into the outside world, maybe they ditch each other's numbers. But like, as weird as the timeline might be, this is the time trip season. We are truncating a usual showman's timeline here. So day two, day four, day 77 be damned. It seems like they are authentically into one another and you know, they bring up someone like Brenchel who I thought was such like a fun, weird dynamic as well, where even at the time it was very similar discussion of like now these two people are immediately attracted to each other. Like, this is not gonna last. Right? Like these things usually either become very a long fuse leading to the bomb or it just blows up in their hands instantly and nothing comes of it. But it ends up becoming not only a lasting marriage with two children, but ends up becoming one of the major storylines of the season. And I will also say that like, I think something that also maybe raises the tide a little bit in my, in my positive affiliation towards the two of them is like they seem like a relatively non problematic couple. You know, like say what you want to about Rome's, I guess, attempted motorboating or I guess

[Jacob Jones]

he just acted like a dog.

[Mike Bloom]

He's from Florida. They're used to those fan boats, not that motorboat. But I, I think that, listen, we have certainly, especially maybe the past couple of years dealt with some showmances that were not the best to watch on the feeds. Behaviors across myriads of the definition were bad. But the show cleaned it up a bit into, you know, a sweeping romance. And I don't really feel like to your point, Rob, we're getting that here. Like it seems like these are two nice people who are very into each other, and so I don't necessarily see a problem with it.

[Jacob Jones]

Okay.

[Rob Cestrinino]

All right, we'll see where the lime relationship goes from here. Mike, you brought up Howie Returning to the house. Let's talk about the veto competition. We had a really complicated plot for the. I saw Mike posting on chat pcc. You were. You were delirious of how much you enjoyed the complicated plot line for the veto.

[Mike Bloom]

Is it volcanically hot take to say that the premiere of Big Brother 28 was maybe one of my favorites ever favorite premiere. I am obsessed with their decision to somehow bring like a tapestry of canon into the big brother universe. Everyone seems a little bit right with like, Ainsley and Hotel Mystere that, like, maybe they'll do season long storylines. But here comes Howie having to memorize and read a Star wars crawl of. In the year 2248, Dr. Will Kirby pulled a biff tannin and traveled forward through time to get futuristic tech to then travel back and become some sort of like, progenitor of eugenics, it seems, which is also like a very weird, dark theme that we're getting into of like Dr. Will say, the beautiful people will survive and the ugly will turn to soil beneath our feet.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Jacob, what was your reaction to how we returning from the future to save us from Dr. Will?

[Jacob Jones]

I liked it because it gave me who I wanted to see. Yeah. And who I wanted to see was who I believe is one of the best looking men on reality tv, period. I'm Julie Chan introducing the icon to the icon house Rob. And I'm a little jealous that you got to sit on a podcast with him for hours. And when I tell you, I watched every second of it on YouTube and I watched it, I didn't just listen, I watched it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

I thought you were talking about Howie up until.

[Jacob Jones]

Mike, please.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, I continue to get interesting and often unusual messages from Dr. Will. I'm very happy with my relationship with Dr. Will in the. In the currently in the year 2026.

[Jacob Jones]

I like that he's only gotten sillier.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes. I do wonder if Dr. Will had a in his contract that he did not have to interact with Howie in this setup.

[Mike Bloom]

Well, if you know there was a nickel every time that doctor Will ask to not interact with certain cast members from Big Brother all stars just added onto the list.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, Mike, we surprised to see Howie. I feel like not somebody that typically is in the rotation to get brought back.

[Mike Bloom]

That's the thing is that certainly we've seen past house guests show up. I mean, Big Brother is like low key, maybe in its most meta era ever.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

In that last season again, we had a bevy of returnees show up, not only in the form of Rachel, but obviously Casey showing up for the veto. I mentioned the three headed Hydra. That was the mastermind. Dr. Will showed up there as well as the red herring. Tyler, like, seems like the show is more and more committing to putting notable names and faces of the past on our screen in some way. But how? It kind of felt like a relatively deep pull. I think my favorite thing about this though, gentlemen, is over under three people who knew who this man in black carrying a corded phone was.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. What do you think, Barrett? Maybe Drew and Angela. Angela. Well, Angela. Yes. Okay. Jacob.

[Mike Bloom]

Angela might not have remembered him from the front.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Right. We got this. The backstory about the Big Brother brother cruise. Jacob, are you interested in setting sail on the Big Brother cruise now that you heard about how it goes?

[Jacob Jones]

Even though I like cruising. I'm joking. I am not interested in going on the Big Brother cruise at all. Angela biggest daredevil attempt was her being dared and getting up with her person whooping it up with Howie.

[Rob Cestrinino]

You know, can I say I saw on Blue sky tonight footage of Angela with her person.

[Mike Bloom]

Barry Wise, why don't you shell out the big bucks to get that footage? I want to see that actually played on our screens, though. Maybe the. The. The affairs of Howie Gordon decided to put a cease and desist on that.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. So this Big Brother cruise gets pretty wild.

[Jacob Jones]

I'm not surprised, though. You pick people that are stuck in the house, stuck on a boat with alcohol, with vibes. All right, going up.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Mike was there also scandal around the Big Brother cruise, Or is that a different reality? Was that, Was that the challenge cruise?

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, it's a little bit of one in the same. There's kind of a common denominator there. And so I believe that the Big Brother cruise went off with slightly less of a hitch and that it actually did leave the port. And it seemed like at the time things were going okay, but once they dry docked, I think any sort of merriment dried up. But, God, they'll always have the white party.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Jacob Jones]

What's the white party?

[Mike Bloom]

That was what Angela said. She said that she was attending the white party.

[Jacob Jones]

Oh, they were all dressed in white.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

And Kamu's like, oh, tell me more.

[Jacob Jones]

Yes. Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

[Rob Cestrinino]

So we have this whole backstory of that Howie was coming back to save them from the clutches of Dr. Will as Mike has broken himself objectively wild.

[Mike Bloom]

This is like. This is like if you took the worst fan fiction writer you ever met and say, okay, watch one episode of Big Brother All Stars and write something about it. It's like, well, I kind of like the. The big guy and the man who's insulting him all the time. What if we created some sort of far flung future storyline? Because that's what I'm really into, where this man is an evil overlord dictator of the world, and this man has to go back in time and have the flexibility to do so, but seemingly not to move his neck at all when he's talking to these house guests and be able to somehow get them in this day and age to plug in a bunch of PVC piping to destroy his empire.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Where's the hole, Mike?

[Mike Bloom]

A lot of holes in that pipe. Unfortunately for most of these contestants, it's. I really hope every single week they bring in somebody who has to essentially pull out a novella. Almost like Dirk Space Jammer, of course, Ian Terry's infamous character. Maybe. Maybe there's like a. A writer looking to break his way into Hollywood who's trying to cut his teeth on Big Brother.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Well, all these veto episodes are going to be 90 minutes on Wednesday, so I think that we're gonna fill up a lot of the time with exposition. Set it all up. Okay. So we had the power of veto competition and this one seemed like it was a real runaway for Mallory, which

[Jacob Jones]

I was happy to see. I love a story from crier to comp and she did that. And I was more excited to see Melody have to eat. Her words have to be like, you know, now I want to see how she moves after this. But I, I was happy to see it.

[Mike Bloom]

I also love the fact that I believe, like, you know, the, maybe the bare bones, the pipes of this competition are things that we've seen before. But this seems relatively new in terms of a general challenge design. And, you know, while we're on the other side quite literally starving on Survivor for, like, new competition ideas, it was nice to see this.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I could have sworn, Mike that these vetoes were throwbacks. And I think that maybe the chat can tell us. I think I thought I saw that it was a throwback and this was a comp that was from BB11. Even. So let me know in the chat, but I think that these. That what they are doing and Survivor 50 did not do this. That I think that they're trying to run some classic challenges this season.

[Mike Bloom]

Oh, you know, I do remember Julie talking about this in an interview preseason that like time travel might mean that we take a competition from the past. I thought you think if they would, they'd make more mention of it. You know, maybe not to them because again, I'm not sure how much that Dr. Will sequence went over like a lead balloon in the room. Well, how he's just standing there staring at them.

[Rob Cestrinino]

You don't think they liked it?

[Mike Bloom]

They're like, who is this guy?

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

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[Jacob Jones]

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Jacob Jones]

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[Jacob Jones]

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Rob Cestrinino]

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Rob Cestrinino]

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[Mike Bloom]

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[Rob Cestrinino]

Tennessee 2012 okay, well, you mentioned Julie Chen Moonvest, Mike, we'd love to know. Did you have any interesting takeaways from your conversation with Julie today?

[Mike Bloom]

Oh, so many. Julie Chen Moonves is a wild era of her big brother hosting. Like I feel like she has low amounts of Fs to give in the world in general. I think she is very happy with her lot in life and on Big Brother as well. And so she's kind of a little footloose and fancy free when it comes to her opinions. And she told me, I'm sure she told you as well that, you know, she was breaking down the Survivor games. She admits she was a non believer.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, I didn't like that when I saw what she said, Mike.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, so she had said to me in a number of outlets that like she admits she was not particularly happy when she heard that there was going to be Survivor players on her season. I think that we have this, this image in our heads of some sort of pangea like community of CBS reality shows where it's like Jeff's like come on over Beast Mode Cowboy and Phil Kogan's like, Big Brother contestants racing around Europe. Sign me up. The truth of the matter is everyone's, like, very proud of their own little territory, and they don't really love the idea on paper of people jumping over just because they've been on another CBS reality show. For what it's worth, Julie said she did her homework. When she got to know them a little bit more, she was a little more intrigued. But she is much like a Project Runway, which recently returned. She's very in on one and she is very out on another. Survivor player.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Who Is she out on duty?

[Mike Bloom]

No, she loves D. She feels like D is made for this game. She said outright, Rick Devins does not get this game.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Oh, okay. That's interesting because I thought I had read that she had said that she liked Rick Devins because he's a newscaster.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, she certainly liked that part of him. And Julie certainly finds things that she associates with in other people. She said that I asked her for a winner pick, and she said that before the season, she put down $5 on Drew because she liked his story. She also, which I feel like. Feels a little like a couple steps away from Cal. She. Yeah, insider trading there. But. But she also like Lala because she's like, she is 57. I'm 56. She's from, you know, Manhattan. I grew up in Manhattan. But I. Julie really felt like Rick telling one alliance about the other alliance was a massive faux pas. She was very much team D when it came to that storage room reaction.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Come on, Julie, get with the times. Like that was this is nothing burger. Ashley even said nothing burger. Not a big deal. Yeah. Jacob, we got to see Julie pulled out pocket Jesus. In our interview with her today.

[Jacob Jones]

I did see that screen grab and I was kind of amazed. She's. I think she loves the fact that people think that and not saying the.

[Rob Cestrinino]

The.

[Jacob Jones]

What's her podcast called?

[Rob Cestrinino]

Jesus 101 God, 101.

[Mike Bloom]

Please, God, 101 Jesus 101 is my son.

[Jacob Jones]

Yes. And so I feel like she likes. She gets that people are in on. Oh, yeah. I know. I'm kind of, you know what I'm doing, but I don't mind it. Let's. Let's keep with it. So I'm here for it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. So, yeah. Fun chat. Fun quick chat with Julie if you want to check that out up on the YouTube channel and in the podcast feed. Let's talk about the replacement nominee that got selected. We got to see a Little bit of Ashley in the beginning of the episode, Jacob, she finally got to have the burger. She never had a burger her entire life.

[Jacob Jones]

Now, I saw this scene, and I immediately thought, liar just because it's kind.

[Mike Bloom]

You know, is she a fraud or freak? And a fraud.

[Rob Cestrinino]

She.

[Jacob Jones]

She's a.

[Rob Cestrinino]

She's a freak. She's a fraudulent.

[Jacob Jones]

She's a fraudulent freak.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

So. But now I thought, like, you know, when the hot girl wants to torky and cool. Oh, guys, I've never tasted water.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Wait, you never had water?

[Jacob Jones]

Ever had it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

What?

[Jacob Jones]

Can I have it? My first.

[Mike Bloom]

So interesting. Exactly.

[Jacob Jones]

I'm so interesting. I think she's so hot. She's so cool. She's so beautiful. Let me throw this quirky thing in. Haven't had a beef. You haven't had ground beef or turkey or vegan with bread and lettuce and tomatoes and mustard and ketchup and whatever. Onions and grilled jalapenos and cheese and, you know, you haven't had that. Oh, okay.

[Mike Bloom]

I also I doing a little bit of research on Ashley. She obviously has played a significant role on one of the barstool shows. And I believe I saw a clip where she said she has never eaten a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in her life.

[Rob Cestrinino]

What? She's doing material?

[Jacob Jones]

Yep. She's cycling. She's recycling it. She's recycling it. Yep. Every. Every show, every media outlet. Next gonna be. I haven't breathed before.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I'm gonna be looking at her crazy. Never had pizza ever.

[Jacob Jones]

It's cra. Yeah. You haven't had crust, mozzarella and.

[Rob Cestrinino]

No.

[Jacob Jones]

What's the.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay, tomato.

[Jacob Jones]

You haven't had a lunchable.

[Rob Cestrinino]

No, never. Okay.

[Jacob Jones]

It's crazy.

[Rob Cestrinino]

So that was really all we saw of her in the episode. And then we got to see. After Mallory won the veto, we started to see Ashley pop up. And so Mike D. Has created this structure of like, well, I have to. Now I. I had picked one person from each group, and the only group left that I haven't touched is Barrett and Ashley. That's the. That's. I have to pick one of those people now.

[Mike Bloom]

It's d. The just right. I think some other hoh is if they're ascribing to this logic, could say, like, well, if Mallory came down, then another must come up in her place. So I must take the other person who's remaining from that group. But Dr. Sean style, like, at skipped over. Luckily, that group has already been represented in this house of Representatives. Style of the block. And so goes to Ashley. And Barrett and Ashley, maybe there's a reason why she didn't eat a burger in her life because she had very little beef with D after that. She seemed to take it very understandably.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, she took it well. I guess in the real time, she was trying to throw Barrett under the bus. We don't get any of that here in the episode.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, that's. I guess the pros of sticking to such a weird set of rules for yourself is that if Ashley is trying to follow these logic here, she can't really suggest anybody else. And listen, certainly at the time, there was a lot of other names that were thrown out actually by the red corner more so they were pushing for Lala more, which had D saying all sorts of stuff to the camera when their backs were turned. But if you're Ashley, you can't necessarily be like, yeah, I need you to break your rules and nominate this other person. You kind of have to play the game that you've been given. And in that case, it's like, well, I wasn't the only one.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. And we got a tease that D was considering Melody also in this addition to Ashley, But Ashley ends up being the pick. Jacob, let me get your take on. What do you think about Ashley? She's never had a burger, she's never had peanut butter and jelly, but she loves to eat a can of peas.

[Jacob Jones]

See, that's where I. That's where I have the major disconnect. I don't understand her. I don't know her. And sometimes I forgot she was really on the show until I. Until she had her moment eating peas straight out of a can. Not even putting them on a pot to boil. Oh, not my type of girl at all.

[Mike Bloom]

You know, maybe with the time trip thing, she's some sort of, like, orphan circa the 1890s who got sent forward. Like, all I can eat is a can of peas. I can't afford no meats.

[Jacob Jones]

And she's British too, apparently. Yeah.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay, well, we'll talk more about Ashley, I think, in a little bit. Let's talk about Lala. Had a big segment tonight, Jay. We found about all of Lala's injuries in 2011.

[Jacob Jones]

My arm got cut off. In 2009, my head came completely off. My eyeballs. Both of them came out my feet. I cannot use them. Lala, I love a redemption story, but damn.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, I mean, she's. Is she some sort of cyborg at this point? I feel like she's got to be more. Like she's either more metal than women or like, they brought in a lot of replacement parts. Like the ship of theseus there.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, yeah. Like Dr. Will, she's just a circuitry and wires at this point.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, she compared herself to robocop.

[Rob Cestrinino]

She did, yeah. And Chuck was so inspired. It was like a twofer of that. We got a lala segment and then also Chuck talking about lala. He. That was, I think, his only screen time.

[Mike Bloom]

No, I am really nervous because if lala tore not one, but two knees walk into the train. Like, these big brother competitions are pretty high impact.

[Jacob Jones]

And then she has to jump from the wall to get off when she's eliminated. Like, we need extra cushions.

[Mike Bloom]

She's gonna be in a full body cast by week five.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah. Shout out to lala. But also, lala can move. We've seen lala move and groove and dance. We've seen the body tattoos on lala. We've seen. You know what I mean? So lala kind of. She's. She's. She's a girl. She can hang and bang. She can hang and bang.

[Mike Bloom]

And her bones were hanging off her body after she went on that train.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. How about Angela? We got to see her. She was hanging out in the tub, and then she was just like, laying in the tub for no reason. Not bathing. Just like, okay, I'm just gonna sleep in the tub talking to Barrett. And then she broke the tub.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah. What's that game they used to play in the big brother house? Big booty. Big booty. Oh, yeah. Big booty Work. Angela.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. She knocked the faucet off of the. The tub. I don't know if they give you, like, just to put a deposit down when you go into the big brother house. Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

I do wonder, is it get taken out of your stipend or maybe, you know, maybe next week they're gonna send like, a sexy plumber in to host the next veto competition.

[Jacob Jones]

Okay. I mean, as much George, it' chicken joints. As much as I've heard them taking, you know, deodorant off the block, mouthwash. You breathe too much air, it's docked. So I would say, you know, the repair cost is definitely coming out of.

[Mike Bloom]

Angela, listen, you know, do we. Do we blame shoddy craftsmanship here? Like, was it. It was a little bit of a slap job to get this type of stuff together. You know, do we blame the fessy for breaking the sink by sitting his deft posterior upon it, or do we blame clearly the sink manufacturer for not load testing this gargantuan man sitting upon it so Fair.

[Jacob Jones]

You have. You have a point.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay.

[Mike Bloom]

They need to Angela proof every device in the house is what I'm saying.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I want to talk about the vote. I want to talk about what's been going on on the live feed. So is there anything else from this power veto episode that you want to mention?

[Jacob Jones]

I think Yash can. Yeah. I had high hopes for yes when he first got in Rob and shout out to your video that I kiki'd and calco.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I am very much. I. I feel connected to Yash because I have lived the day of his life.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah, you have. You really have. Y' all are one in the same. I think his approach of yo D, I'm hurt. What you gonna like? You put me up. You lied to me. Basically. It was not smart. And I. I thought he had. But he also. Duh. I would say I thought he had more social awareness to not do that. But he also seems like I don't really care. I go how I feel based off his content online. And so I was sad to see that because it kind of made him plumbing in my stock watch.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, he's not giving us much.

[Mike Bloom]

I. I see something in the chat scene saying, no, but should be able to break a tub. But people know watching the live feeds that Angela can. What she say? Throw ass.

[Jacob Jones]

Throw ass. Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Just like Nolan Ryan throwing that ass around.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay. All right, so we're gonna talk about the feeds and the vote here in Jesse last minute. Let me just tell you about everything else that we have going on over on the Rob as a podcast Patreon. The Big Brother 28 season pass is in full effect. We've got so much coming up here over on our Patreon. We launched a brand new show that we started doing this season, the Big Brother 28 mailbag, where Taryn and I are going to answer your mail questions every week. And this week we started it off. And Mike, this is something I did for Survivor. After the season, we figured out the current win probability of everybody in the season and we're going to track it all season long, find out what everybody's percentages are right now to win the game. And we will track it all season long on the big Brother Mailbag. We posted it for everybody, but it will be a patron show later on this season and then also on the patron feed. Last night I got together with with Chappelle for the kickoff to the slop. It was a sloppy start to Big Brother 28 and we had a lot of fun going through all that in the patron Feed. And then on Fridays we will have also the Big Brother Q and A where I will take your questions live every Friday at 3pm Eastern. But in the meantime, let's talk about what's been going on over on the Ye Olde Big Brother live feeds. Here we go.

[Mike Bloom]

The Office of Civil Defense has issued the following message. This is a spoiler warning.

[Rob Cestrinino]

A spoiler warning means that an actual spoiler against this country has been detected and that protective action should be taken. I wasn't ready for Mike Bloom to throw ass.

[Jacob Jones]

I wasn't either.

[Mike Bloom]

I almost pulled a lala there. Broke my pendants.

[Jacob Jones]

Yes, you almost broke the mic.

[Mike Bloom]

I've been broken for years, Jacob.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, I might need a minute to recover from that mic.

[Mike Bloom]

I know. Listen, too much blistering booty for your own eyes. I should have asked you to wear those shades.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes, my ass. Okay. Angela said okay, Mike. Boy, it's been a busy day so far, right?

[Mike Bloom]

I busy couple of days. We got waffle Wednesday started a little early. Rob. The nominees were locked in on Monday, but things are far from locked in.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Well, can I, can I add, I am excited because I will be on the live feed update tomorrow. So I've been keeping a particular eye on things today.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, I mean it's been going back and forth. I mean, the thing about these three nominees is that no one's particularly like going to bat for any of them. I mean, a reason why they were nominated is because D felt like they were relatively unconnected. They would cause the least amount of waves. And that's bearing proof here. It's more so them kind of being used as proxies. As we are slowly approaching the possibility of a split house for this vote. Depending on on how it shakes out with the blockbuster.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Jacob, the three nominees are kind of like three. Three nothing targets. It's not really any like big, high profile targets that are on the board. But you know, if this was a game of chess, I guess somebody's pawn is gonna go home this week.

[Jacob Jones]

Somebody's pawn is gonna go home. And I have who I would want.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Want. Who would it be?

[Jacob Jones]

It would be Ashley. Ashley, somebody told you that you're going on a block even though you tried to suggest another person and they said, nah, baby, it's still you. And you didn't have no stink about it. Alicia came to her face and was like, yo, you did this. I feel like Taylor is on that other side than than D and I just kind of, I don't know, I'm sick in a way. That I feel like I know which side is winning and I want that side to get. Get blocked every which way. So.

[Mike Bloom]

Okay.

[Jacob Jones]

I'm hoping that Ashley. Ashley can just, you know, be gone.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. So, Mike, things were looking pretty good for Ashley yesterday.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah. So let's break this down here because as is the case with the blockbuster era, since there's three nominees going into there is intruders a fashion scenarios to talk about. I think the thing that's remained the most consistent is that that Yash, if he stays on the block is going to be gone no matter what. If it's Yash versus Taylor, it's pretty much it's going to be the biggest landslide vote. He's going to go over Taylor. Now, what's interesting is that last night slash this morning, the ideal thing happened for Dean Debbins in that the red corner and the Crossroads crossover alliance essentially merged. Yeah, they both agreed. Okay, let's get Taylor out. Because Angela started spreading the word of there's this big alliance that was forming. They're all going into the gym. Rome is calling them in like a Roman emperor. It's him, it's Lala, it's Jason, it's Taylor, it's the littles Melody and Lyric and Mallory. And so we want to take out Taylor because that's someone from their side. It'll make Lala weaker for the challenges so that she breaks her other hip in the next one. Let's do it. And so they have. There's. There's eight of them with that combined alliance. But since D can only vote in the event of a tie, there's seven of them. And so their hope would be that, you know, their seven votes would carry through to, at this point, get out, Yash. The interesting scenario comes up, though, if Yash wins and it's Taylor versus Ashley because this group. Red corner again, Red corner and Crossroads, I think Red cross is what Taryn and Jason and AJ Came up with today on the update, said that they want to keep Taylor, they want to keep Ashley, they want to vote out Taylor because again, there's bigger circumstances that come from getting rid of Taylor here. And so they would have seven votes. Assumingly, this other side that they have painted as the other side would also have seven votes. And so it would be seven to seven. And in the event of a tie, the tiebreaker goes to D. Here's the rub, Dee. As much as she was able to get out of a corner by, you know, conscripting herself to promises with her nominations, she has promised Taylor to Her fate that she will keep her in the event of a tie. And so the weird thing about all this is that if we face a situation tomorrow where it is Taylor versus Ashley, there's a non zero chance that these entire alliance votes to keep Ashley, only for it to go to D, who then votes Ashley out of the house. So all of this was communicated in a manner of speaking to Ashley. You know, the crossover alliance. You know, it makes sense that, you know, we watched Argentina win their way into the World cup finals because today was messy, for lack of a better term. We saw that they essentially communicate to Ashley, know in certain terms, like, hey, Barrett will vote to keep you. Drew, vote to keep you. You have Devins, you have D, you have Kamu, Haley, and Chuck. And then Ashley went over to Melody and Lyric and Taylor and we're like. It was like, hey. And when a very sincere gesture. Just so you know, I think I A group has been telling me they have the votes to keep me. And, yeah, all hell is lightly broken loose.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, this is so great because Ashley was trying to tell Melody that, hey, I just don't want to see you on the wrong side of the vote. Like, all these. Listen, all these people are keeping me. And I don't want you to look bad and not vote with the house. So you got to get. Everybody's doing it. You got to vote. Like, I'm helping you. I'm giving you this information because, hey, newsflash, they're keeping me. And it's maybe has unsettled some things.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah. So, I mean, a little bit. There was a lot of talk about it today when the information came back to Drew that. And Melody ends up telling him essentially what Ashley told him. He's pissed. He has a little bit of wild where he's going to people being like, that's it. Ashley effed it up. We have to vote her out. At this. I was going to say, before the episode started, I saw a meeting between the icons where they were like, all right, no matter what, we are voting to evict Taylor in this event. Like, but then I also saw that despite this is going to be a runner, actually, Drew is coming to these people with information, and his closest allies are like. Like, I don't believe it. And so despite being told that, hey, there might be seven votes to keep Ashley in the game, I think there was a conversation between, like, Melody, Mallory and Lyric where they're like, I don't think that's true. I think we have the votes to save Taylor. Let's Stick by our guns here.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Jacob, what's your prediction for tomorrow night?

[Jacob Jones]

My prediction is Yash wins. BB Blockbuster. It is Ashley. It is Taylor on the block. 7 7D makes the executive decision. No, they will talk about it before tomorrow. I think heads will come together and minds will collaborate.

[Mike Bloom]

I think Taylor's out, so I will correct the record a little bit that it seems like over the course of the episode and as we've been talking here, it does seem like the crossover slash red corner have now defaulted back to evicting Ashley. So that's the fun of Big Brother, folks. Completely full circle.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. And I do think that I felt like this week we did not have, like, a classic first boot here, but if Ashley played her way out of being completely safe this morning into being evicted tonight, I do love that as being like, like and. And trying to tell people that. That she's so. That she's safe. That that's so fun.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, it depends, right? Because, like, theoretically, she was not necessarily coming out of a situation where she was locked in safe.

[Rob Cestrinino]

She was locked in safe.

[Mike Bloom]

But it was gonna be 7 7. Drew's. Drew's hope was that he was going to swing melody over that it wouldn't go to a. From guaranteed.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. But it was looking. It was trending very positive.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, certainly better than it had been the past couple of days. But I think it comes from the fact that, yeah, there we have been kind of treated to a couple of stereotypical boots the past couple seasons, right. At these, like, alpha male guys who end up getting put on the block and get into fights with people who are in power and put a big target on themselves. And when they don't win the blockbuster, it's like, well, let's get rid of them now before they can win their way to the end. And Ashley here, it was more so like, it's kind of like Kirsten from Big Brother 25, where it's just like she made a couple of key critical errors here. Or in this case, you need someone to kind of defend you in this capacity. And it doesn't necessarily seem like she has anyone defending her at this point, to the point where, Ian, if it's her versus Yash, I think she's going to get evicted over Yash at this.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Wow.

[Mike Bloom]

So must win Blockbuster for her specifically.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, yeah. And we will say it is only 7:45 in the big Brother house. So the night is young. Many things may change between now and then.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

You're being for a long night.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Rob could be in For a long night, for sure.

[Mike Bloom]

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[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, go on, Mike.

[Mike Bloom]

Because, listen, on the episode we saw that Angela took a lot of this information to heart. What was cut out is what happened after Drew left the room, which is Angela saying, you don't think that's real? Right. And so this is a little bit of confirmation bias as well, because even before all this information came out, Angela has not been able to trust Drew entirely. He reminds her too much of that rascally Quinn Martin. And so she doesn't want to get fooled again.

[Rob Cestrinino]

To me, Barrett seems like more of a Quinn.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah. I mean, I think he's a couple days away from telling D that she's sick. Nasty.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah. Yes.

[Mike Bloom]

And so this, to Angela was more of a little bit of a feeding of that theory. Right. Of like, well, if Drew's telling D one thing and telling me and Devin's another thing, like, could he just be making this up? And this ended up spiraling in a very fun series of events yesterday where Angela and D are up in the HOH room participating in a classic symptom of hohi itis, which is watching much like Jacob Jones was previously on Mute the HOH camera, where they see Drew walking out of the gym. And remember, from Angela's big theory perspective, from the corkboard perspective, she thinks that this big alliance had a meeting in the gym. Rome was calling his council. And so when Drew walks, I was like, I knew it. He's doing stuff behind her backsteet's. Like, he played up like he was going to be our little puppy, but he was going to betray us the entire time. And so the two of them were whipping each other into a frenzy, being like, drew is not loyal to us whatsoever. The most hysterical part of this was that they staked out that HOH cam for, like, 30 minutes, saying, all right, we got to see who's in that gym. They're having a Meeting right now we got to find out who's part of this clandestine organization. Cut to a completely empty gym. They were just watching to see whichever person would leave an empty room. Isn't that just a representation of paranoia? Luckily, by the end of the night, Angela gets talked a little bit off. Off the ledge. You know, she doesn't go full, you know, low budget movie monologue, though she does call Drew droopy eyes, which is a couple degrees removed from an iconic catchphrase in its own right.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes. And then she could do the spelling. D, R, E, W, P Y eyes.

[Mike Bloom]

I think she unintentionally created some great Drew branding after the show.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah. So it's. It was a little taste of Angela. She's actually really been in her feels today. I think that's another moment where she's like. Like, I'm falling for the same vices I did before. Like, I thought I was going to be different this time. And she. For what it's worth, she did say that she was going to gain less today, and she certainly has now. We'll see. Because I believe the decision to flip the vote back to evict Ashley was not done with Angela in mind. And so, you know, T minus however many minutes till Angela finds out about that, especially if she feels like Drew is the one responsible for it. But, but I would say we had like a little bit of like a. An Angela Crash out light.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Not. Not going full Angela Crash out, you know, a little bit more of like a cherry bomb than a full firework.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Is she a big Ashley fan?

[Mike Bloom]

Her and Ashley had some pretty good connections. They don't have like a huge alliance going on. She's more well connected to people like Mallory, for instance. But her and Ashley have had some good conversations to the point where there is a very wild image that went around from yesterday where again, the crossovers just being incredibly visible at this point, flaunting their secret alliance in so many people's faces, where this image of Dean Barrett cuddling. This is all out in the open, by the way, in the upper lounge, Drew next to them whispering behind a pillow of the merits of keeping Ashley versus getting rid of her. And nary, like two feet away from them is Angela talking with Ashley. So Angela has kind of, I think, been labeled like the. The Ashley whisperer in a way. The two of them clearly have a tight bond. But I don't know how Angela is going to take this, especially considering that a couple of hours ago she d and Devin's, her closest allies, had Said, all right, no matter what, we're voting Taylor out.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay. Jacob, we haven't gotten your reaction to the D and Barrett flirt, man.

[Jacob Jones]

I think Barrett came in and I thought he. I think Bear's about to be derailed. I think he's going to quickly take a pivot down the love boat and think he's on the wrong show. And I think Barrett. I. So I've had a little bit of interaction with Barrett.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Oh, I.

[Mike Bloom]

When I met him. When I met him, I had a

[Jacob Jones]

little bit of interaction with Barry before Barrett used to have. And maybe he still does, like a YouTube kind of, like. Yeah, BS. And when I did. Yeah, like, when I did a little one, too, I went on. I got. And so he's. To me, I saw him, I was like, he's a very charismatic guy, and so it's no surprise to me that he could potentially pull someone like D. I just think he looks atypical, you know, like nerdy, geeky, but I can play basketball. And he's about to get the cheerleader the. And I'm not saying he fits this stereotype, you know, traditionally, but the computer.

[Rob Cestrinino]

High School Musical. Yes.

[Jacob Jones]

You know what I mean? Gabrielle is about to get Zac Efron or Troy, and I think he's like, wow, I got. I got a legend in the icon in the reality TV competition world. Somewhere I've been. I think these about to wear twist him every which way but loose.

[Mike Bloom]

I don't think he looks nerdy. I think he looks quirky.

[Jacob Jones]

Corky is a better one.

[Mike Bloom]

Never, you know, take a bite of a vegetable in my life Ashley type of quirky. But I think he had the overalls. You know, he kind of went like little Laney Briggs coming in. He's about to have his. He's all that moment.

[Rob Cestrinino]

He's all that.

[Jacob Jones]

He's all that.

[Rob Cestrinino]

That was the thumbnail the other day for the podcast. Yeah. All right. So, Jacob, you don't think it's going to go well for Barrett? You think it's going to be a sad story?

[Jacob Jones]

Not a sad story, but not one that he thought he would get into once entering the big brother house. I think he had high hopes of social and strategic prowess. That's the right word, right? Prowess. Prowess. Prowess, yeah, prowess. And I think these about to again, turn him every which way but loose.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, what's interesting, though, is, you know, Barrett is a devout survivor fan, and dude was part of a very notable flirt mance that while led to some longevity on the island, perhaps not off did not end well for the guy. And so, you know, you have to wonder if he has that in the back, if it's finely quaffed head as well right now. I think he's, like. He's very socially ingrained with everybody. I don't think we're in full lime mode right now. We're on code line of people being like, I see the two of them together. They're not helping things with the amount of PDA they've been showing so far.

[Jacob Jones]

It's kind of like getting on. Say, Rob, I don't know what your favorite show is back in the day. Or, Mike, like, maybe it's what's that show with Pamela Anderson, Babe watch

[Mike Bloom]

Total Bay heads, something like that. Right.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Say you get the show. Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

And then you get to like, oh, me and Pamela, we getting close. I get to date the hottest girl on my favorite show. I think Puppy Dog. Puppy Dog, you know, So I think that's what we about to see, to be honest.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I love that. That's. That was the reference that you went to.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah. Pamela was. She was like, yalls time beach blonde shell bombshell. Right.

[Mike Bloom]

You're kind of just describing the plot of Borat, Jacob.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah. Okay. We'll see where that goes. Mike, anything else you want to highlight from our sneak preview of the feeds from today?

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, Drew is in an okay spot right now, but I would say keep a lookout. You know, it seems like right now the icons in particular are fine trusting him. Devin's in particular seems like he is the most loyal to Drew, but considering how much D and Angela were able to turn themselves into a tizzy over wordless dialogue. There was even a moment, I think, last night where Angela, like, walks up to Dean Barrett it, and it's like, oh, when Drew left at the time, how long did it take for him to come back? And they're like, drew didn't leave. She's like, yes, he did. Yes, he absolutely did. And so I know that Angela is trying to stop herself, but I think it's becoming increasingly clear over the past few days that I think she is maybe teetering into truly falling into some old habits. As much as she might be talking about, like, the old Angela would do this, but the new Angela won't. Old Angela's starting to peek out a little bit.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Jacob, who would you like to see become the new hoh?

[Jacob Jones]

I would like to see. I would like to see Rome become the new hoh. Just so him and Lyric and go up there and do what they want to do.

[Mike Bloom]

I would love that as well. Not only because, like, you know, I. I don't know if their sides particularly losing, if they lose Ashley, but, like, I think they're on the losing side of things this week. But Rome also. Another reason why he sort of endears himself to me is like, he kind of reminds me of a Bradley Cooper character from like every 2000s movie that he was in. You know, just sort of like the brag, like the braggadocious jerk. And so I kind of take him less seriously that way. And so listen, we've been. We've been well fed when it's come. When it came to, like, second HOHs in recent memory, I'm thinking of heisam. I'm thinking of Jimmy. And so I think if we put Roman there and truly give him all the power for the week, it's going to be incredibly entertaining. Entertaining.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I wasn't expecting Mike to come on and be such a big lime Stan.

[Jacob Jones]

I wasn't. I wasn't either.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, my. My blood bleans lime. I need to go see a doctor about that, Doc. Will, where are you? Got too much Will talks in me.

[Jacob Jones]

You know who else would be really good as a hoh Just because I think it would be so chaotic and I think it would go straight to their head. Jason. I think if Jason's gonna. He's gonna be like, all right, who really is the reality show icon?

[Mike Bloom]

I think, I think if you are already jonesing for the red Cross. Yeah, exactly. For the red Cross side of things to get shaken up next week. I think that's how you do it. I think you, you know, he could really go for the jugular and put all three people up against each other and, you know, have all these people that are allied with them pick sides, have these three turn against each other one week after they were loyal to the soil with one another. It would be incredible. I think he's already been talking about, like. Like how he would salter downstairs and make a big show. Hopefully not Todrick hall style, about what his nominations would be.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Is there a bad outcome for hoh? Because I kind of feel like that we could put on our rose colored glasses and get behind. I think any outcome on Thursday night.

[Jacob Jones]

I could. I could get behind it.

[Mike Bloom]

I would say. Yeah. I mean, I feel like. I mean, it depends on how the vote shakes out. Like, if it does end up being split as it is, I do fear an outcome where like if like a Chuck or a Haley or a Comma win it, then it's just like, yeah, we'll nominate three people from the other side. And then.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Right. But you could talk yourself into like, well, okay, the, you know, D and Angela and Rick are going to be safe, you know, so it would not be as that fun. But you could say, okay, well the fan favorites are going to be safe and then who are they going to go after that?

[Mike Bloom]

A Taylor hoh will be interesting because like, I think that, you know, Mallory hoh would also be very interesting because she's one of the only people that's been said on like, I'm getting revenge on D. Taylor herself, who has been nominated by D was like, I'm not too sure about that. I mean she even I think yesterday said like, I'll make a big alliance next week once I make it through. So like it might be actually a very slow week if Taylor is hoh but it also, again, that's the fun thing about this type of house is that as much as they're talking about two sides, it is rather shapeless at this point. And so it's not like, okay, I can nominate these people because they're outsiders or these people because they were on the wrong side of the vote. I don't think we're gonna get a huge surprise scenario now that Ashley is sort of locked in as one of the big consensus people to go maybe a yash hoh just because like, again, I could kind of take or leave his personality. And so I don't necessarily. I think he'd be a relatively mellow Persona with like relatively safe nominees.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Will he secure the bag? Find out tomorrow night if he's there. Okay. Anything else from the feeds the house the week that was

[Jacob Jones]

I'm enjoying BB28 to be honest. And like, this is a nasty first week.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes. Sick. Nasty.

[Jacob Jones]

Sick. Nasty.

[Mike Bloom]

Freak and freaky and fraud.

[Jacob Jones]

Freaking fraud. Nasty. Yes. Freaky.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Not a fraud. Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

I will say it took me a little while to like get the vibe of this cast. It took me a few days. I think we've also been very spoiled with having very, very good week ones in particular the last couple of seasons. But I think I've been getting more used to these personalities and especially this gameplay. I do feel like this is a cast where like everyone is playing right now. Maybe not particularly well, but in some way shape or form. I don't feel like the icons are running away with it. I think, you know, to go back to Dee's tie breaking promise here, I think that's a bad move for her to make. And so it's kind of nice to know, like, all right, this is not someone coming in and dominating from the beginning. And so the fact that it's relatively wide open, the personalities seem pleasant to entertaining and it seems like everyone is willing to. To try things at least has all the makings of a, of an enjoyable season at least.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay. All right. Tomorrow morning at 11:00am I'll join Taryn. We'll talk about it. Get ready, everybody. My first and probably only live feed update of the season coming up tomorrow as we kick off a big Thursday on rhap. Of course, Julie Chen Moonves joined us earlier today. Check that podcast out as well. And I talked to Emily Flippin on Tuesday. Also, the common denominator between Rick Devins and D, it's Emily Flippin who compared herself to being Angela. Like,

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, it is interesting, right? Wasn't her Survivor story that like the person doing the psych eval said she was like, like chaos cast? There's a, there's a family tree with chaos. Cass and Angela.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Should they have gotten Emily Flippin to play young Angela?

[Jacob Jones]

That would have been funny, Iconic.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay. All right. And then. All right, Mike, we announced we've got a brand new Survivor show coming this off season. Forget the Big Brother time machine. How about the Survivor time trip?

[Mike Bloom]

That's right. We're taking it back. You could use our players, but we're using your concept. Yeah. So this is a new off season podcast series for Survivor where Rob and I are going to hop in our own dining table time machine and take a trip back to many different episodes from 50 seasons of Survivor. But in a twist, we'll be joined by some time travelers ourselves. Much like Dr. Will, we're hoping to talk about these episodes alongside people who were actually there at the time to get their perspectives into the episode, both in the edit and what we didn't see. So we're in the. The, you know, the habits right now of collecting a bunch of responses from people as to episodes and guests that we are going to bring on throughout this entire process. But it'll be a fun way to sort of dote on different parts of Survivor history and hear from the people who were actually there at the time.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay, so look for the first episode of the Survivor time trip next week on rhap. All right. What a night. So great to have Jacob Jones back here with us. Jacob, what have you been up to?

[Jacob Jones]

Wait, I have a question before. Yeah. I say this about Survivor time trip.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah.

[Jacob Jones]

Are you. Are y' all talking about any scene from Survivor, like Nicaragua or Survivor fans. His favorites too.

[Mike Bloom]

I mean, if you want to put forward a pitch right now, we are.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I would love to.

[Jacob Jones]

I think the moment that Brenda low toed on to take your teeth out. Yeah, Gotta make the list.

[Mike Bloom]

Yeah, take them out, Don. Or when she should we have on as a guest for that, Jacob,

[Jacob Jones]

the person that just pitched it. So I. You know, Brenda Lowe's one of my favorite Survivor contestants.

[Mike Bloom]

Oh, the Black Mamba.

[Jacob Jones]

The Black Mamba. I don't know why I like her so much, but I just revere her. That's an icon con, to be honest, but. Oh, but what do I have going on?

[Mike Bloom]

So according to your logic. So no D, no Devin's, no Angela. It should be Tiffany, Jen Johnson, and Brenda Lowe.

[Jacob Jones]

I would pay to watch it. I would pay to watch it. I would. What are you talking about? I would. I would pay to watch it.

[Rob Cestrinino]

I mean, Brenda was D before D, right?

[Jacob Jones]

Brenda was D before D. Rob, thank you for having my back door. She really was.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, Brenda was that girl Chase Rice wrapped around her finger.

[Mike Bloom]

Brenda said, don, take out your teeth. D admitted to Mike White that her teeth. Teeth were not her. So for all we know, it could have been John's teeth.

[Jacob Jones]

Yeah, but. Oh, I make music. And under. Under my alias artist name, Air H E I r and I just put out a song named Jasmine, which is super sexy, super flowy, and just super good. And it reminds me of tonight, a very erotic night. And so if you like it, you should let me know. If you don't, you should stand under a tree at about 1pm after the birds have had their lunch and get blessed. You can follow me at Air H E I R dot sound and yeah, having more music, having more fun. I want to do more podcasts. I got the bug. Please. I got the bug. I got the bug. And I like, this month, this year, I was like, yo, I couldn't wait for Big. I don't know what was in me. Maybe Love island really threw me back into us.

[Rob Cestrinino]

You're. You want to explore now?

[Jacob Jones]

I. I want to explore, Rob. I really do. And thank you all having me on tonight. I had the most fun with y' all and yeah, especially you, Mike. You, Rob. It was a. It was a dream. So thank y'.

[Mike Bloom]

All.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Okay. All right, let us know in the chat if you want Jacob Jones to come back more.

[Mike Bloom]

Is that even a question? Come on.

[Jacob Jones]

I want to hear them, though.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yeah, I just like to see it. Okay, Mike, what else is coming up?

[Mike Bloom]

For you when I'm not watching reruns of Baywatch in my swear time. Real throwback there. So I am of course covering Big Brother over on Parade. As you mentioned, my interview with Julie Chen Moonves on we're not just disparaging the game of Rick Devin. She also talks about her thoughts. She's perhaps even more pro lime than I am. She said she's already planning their wedding and she also gives her winner picks for Big Brother 28. Of course I'll be speaking with the first person evicted on Friday as you will rob. So plenty of stuff over there and a bunch of other scripted stuff happening as well over on Parade. Otherwise you can check out everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type and shout out to Jacob Jones again, one of the most, most delightfully unorthodox personalities I've ever encountered in my life. I the icon I eagerly await every time you get on the microphone, sir, whether to sing or to speak. And this time is no different.

[Jacob Jones]

Thank you.

[Rob Cestrinino]

Yes, and we have a very busy Thursday. I'll be on the live feed update. We'll have Summer of Stein and we'll have Eviction night. We'll find out the first house guest who will be evicted from the Big Brother house and we will talk about it here here on Thursday night. So get ready for a big eviction Thursday here on rhap coming up tomorrow. Take care everybody. Have a good one.

[Jacob Jones]

Bye.

[Rob Cestrinino]

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