Best of 2025: Dr. Will Finally Bares All

Summary

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RHAP: We Know Big Brother

“Best of 2025: Dr. Will Finally Bares All”

Host: Rob Cesternino
Guest: Dr. Will Kirby
Date: December 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this “Best of 2025” episode, Rob Cesternino delivers a highly-anticipated, wide-ranging interview with reality TV legend Dr. Will Kirby. While the conversation touches lightly on Big Brother, the focus is far broader: Will’s return to unscripted television on Deal or No Deal Island, the evolving world of reality TV, his career and worldview, and deeply entertaining digressions into topics such as politics, wellness, pets, 1980s TV, and the philosophy of life and death. The tone is irreverent, candid, and rich with Dr. Will’s trademark wit and self-deprecation, offering listeners both humor and insight into what drives one of reality TV’s most enigmatic personalities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Will’s Return to Reality TV: “Deal or No Deal Island”

[07:14–13:44]

• Why Return Now: Dr. Will was a last-minute cast addition; motivated by timing and a desire for his kids, who had never seen him on television, to watch him compete.

  “My daughter has never seen me on TV... I felt like I had to show my daughter a good time on tv.” (10:37)

• Late Entry Experience: Will hadn’t watched Dealer No Deal Island before being cast—he binge-watched it with his daughter to prep.
• Why the Show is Appealing: Lavish accommodations and treatment for contestants: “They make your bed every day. … Everything clicked. It was just the greatest experience.” (11:49)
• Strategy Discussion: Came in “hot” and over-the-top, purposely making himself a target to become both distraction and opportunity for alliances, echoing his original Big Brother tactics.

  “I wanted to make my target so unbelievably big that people would want to keep me because of the distraction quotient…” (27:34)

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The State & Evolution of Reality TV

[13:44–18:06, 50:30–53:59, 116:01–120:18]

• The “MCU” of Reality TV: Rob compares current crossovers of reality stars to Marvel’s intersecting universes. Will’s take: interconnectedness is fun, but “there really is only one reality, and that’s the reality right now.” (14:02)
• Name Drops & Comebacks: Will would cast Jervis Peterson and Brennan Swain if he was producing, highlighting the need to bridge “old school” charisma with the new wave.

  “Jervis... is an old school OG gangster. ... I would really, really like to see him come back.” (15:17)

• Golden Age Returns: References to the resurgence of classic unscripted formats, emphasizing the importance of storytelling and entertainment value over merely “winning.”

  “If you’re watching television and you’re not entertained, then you’re doing it wrong and the participants are doing it wrong.” (36:41)

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On Entertainment, Social Media, and Public Perception

[29:38–39:25, 81:38–82:32, 116:50–120:18]

• Body Shaming & Internet Feedback: Will shrugs off negative social media commentary on his appearance:

  “No one ever, on their tombstone, has engraved, ‘I wish I had spent more time on Facebook.’ ... I don’t believe cyberbullying is real because you can just hang up your phone, right?” (30:43)

• Social Media’s Double-Edged Sword: Both Rob and Will discuss the loss of “skin in the game” online, the pervasiveness of anonymous criticism, and the fading value they find in digital discourse.

  “The feces don’t hit you if you don’t go to the zoo.” (34:19)

• Entertainment as Priority: Will insists on playing and appearing for his own personal amusement, arguing that the best entertainment comes when one is ultimately self-fulfilled.

  “If I can make myself laugh, I most assuredly am making someone else out there laugh too.” (36:19)

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On Personal Life, Career, and Stigma

[51:04–53:59]

• Reality TV & Professional Reputations: Will explains how his Big Brother win initially stigmatized his career in medicine, which he countered by excelling in dermatology.

  “I take my dermatological career very seriously... Reality TV at first really stigmatized that, and then it actually helped.” (51:32)

• Reality TV as a Catalyst: Encourages listeners to apply for reality TV, emphasizing that stepping out of one’s comfort zone can be transformative.

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Fun & Tangential Topics on “The Wheel”

Throughout, Rob spins a wheel loaded with both serious and silly conversation starters. Dr. Will addresses each with humor and candor, including:

• Can men over 50 wear Sambas? (20:07)
  • Will’s kids veto his fashion, Rob supports self-expression.
  • “Can a 50 year old man wear hip clothing or does that just make them look like Jeff Bezos?” (20:46)
• Running for Political Office? (40:27)
  • Will considers a common-sense, no-salary, one-term approach to governance; prioritizes competency and “ushering in an era of common sense.”
• Pets & Obsessions: (83:30)
  • Will showcases rare breed Yorkies and discusses his love of turtles, including the “turtle smuggling” problem.
• Dream Pet: (88:40)
  • Advocates for a “long legs, short body” dog—“like a dead giraffe dog...a Yorkie body, but then like Great Dane legs.” (90:39)
• Philosophy on Luck vs. Talent: (36:41)
  • “There's a lot of luck involved… skill matters... but luck truly dictates the ultimate outcome of any of these shows.”
• Cold Plunges and Sleep Hygiene: (194:02)
  • Recommends the “3-2-1 Rule” for sleep: 3 hours before bed no food, 2 hours no liquids, 1 hour no electronics.
• Point Break as the Greatest Movie: (177:02)
  • “Football player goes undercover in the FBI to infiltrate a gang of surfer bank robbers. That's all you need to know. ... It's the greatest movie ever made.” (177:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Strategy & Entertainment Value

• Dr. Will Kirby [27:34]:
  “I wanted to make my target so unbelievably big that people would want to keep me because of the distraction quotient or they would want to join with me because they weren't in another alliance and they might as well work with the person who they knew people were going to be against.”

On Reality TV’s Purpose

• Dr. Will Kirby [36:41]: “If you’re watching television and you’re not entertained, then you’re doing it wrong and the participants are doing it wrong.”

On Social Media

• Dr. Will Kirby [30:43]: “No one ever, on their tombstone, has engraved, ‘I wish I had spent more time on Facebook.’ … I don’t believe cyberbullying is real because you can just hang up your phone, right?”

On Playing for Himself

• Dr. Will Kirby [36:19]: “If I can make myself laugh, I most assuredly am making someone else out there laugh too.”

On Reality Show Legends

• Dr. Will Kirby [15:17]: “Jervis… is an old school OG gangster… I would really, really like to see him come back.”

On Rejection and Adaptation

• Dr. Will Kirby [235:13]: “I have had reality television break my heart so many times… And that really is a phenomenal lesson… There are things you can control and things you can’t control. … Never give up, but you just go with the flow and do the best you can.”

On Applying to Reality TV

• Dr. Will Kirby [246:08]: “If you are a reality television fan, stop watching and start playing. All you have to do is apply. … There is a show for everyone these days.”

On Strange Yet Enduring Bits

• The Bear Strip Club Song (Recurring with gusto):

  “Take me down to the paradise city / Where the bears are bears and the bears bear…” (multiple timestamps)

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Notable Segments by Timestamp

• DR. WILL ARRIVES, REALITY TV COMEBACK / DEAL OR NO DEAL ISLAND
  [05:37–15:06]

• FASHION AFTER 50: ADIDAS SAMBAS & KIDS’ JUDGMENT
  [20:07–21:24]

• POLITICS & THE NEED FOR COMMON SENSE
  [40:27–46:02]

• PHILOSOPHY OF LUCK, ENTERTAINMENT, AND SOCIAL MEDIA SKEPTICISM
  [36:41–39:25; 81:38–82:32]

• PETS, TURTLES, AND SMUGGLING
  [83:30–88:29]

• ASTROPHYSICS & UFOS
  [92:11–94:37]

• SLEEP HYGIENE / HEALTH TIPS
  [189:09–194:02]

• 90s & 80s TV SITCOMS: THREE’S COMPANY, ALF, MR. T
  [166:02–175:08]

• REALITY TV STORYTELLING VS. “MR. BEAST GAMES”
  [101:05–107:19]

• EGOT, CAREER ‘WHAT IFs’, AND UNAIRED PILOTS
  [224:04–238:14]

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Takeaways for Listeners

This podcast is more than a recap or star interview—it’s a sprawling, kinetic showcase of Dr. Will’s humor, perspective, and enduring commitment to making reality TV, and life, both entertaining and meaningful. If you want “classic Will,” you’ll get spectacle (the bear strip club, anyone?), but also get real, lived wisdom about failure, evolution, and the importance of taking swings at opportunity—on reality shows, or otherwise.

If you’re a reality TV fan, Will urges you to stop passively consuming and start playing.

If you want to be entertained, watch those who are daring to entertain themselves first.

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Final Thoughts

Rob Cesternino [247:05]:
“I wouldn’t have changed anything about how this went. It was an all timer for me.”

Dr. Will Kirby [245:06]:
“...if you do [Survivor 50], Rob, one little request: a yellow Livestrong bracelet, you'll know it’s for you.”

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Transcript

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[Dr. Will Kirby]

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[Dr. Will Kirby]

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[Dr. Will Kirby]

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[Rob Cesternino]

Hank.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

What's going on?

[Rob Cesternino]

We haven't worked a case in years.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy. Too easy. Think something's up? You tell me. They got thousands of options, found a great car at a great price.

[Rob Cesternino]

Uh huh.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

And it got delivered the next day. It sounds like Carvana just makes it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Case closed.

[Rob Cesternino]

Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply. Hey, it's Rob. It's the last day of the year here in 2025. We had such a great year, such a exciting year overall in 2025. I did a podcast the other day where I went back to the listener mailbag. I was asked to give my favorite interview that I've ever done and my answer was this podcast that we are re releasing here today. This is my interview with D. Dr. Will Kirby just some context on that. Dr. Will was my all time fave. Got me to send in my tape to first want to be on Big Brother. Before I got cast to be on Survivor. I had wanted to interview him for over 20 years. I got the chance to do it. It is a wide ranging interview which does not touch too much on what he did in Big Brother but I think gets you really a nice picture of Dr. Will as a person. This was such a fun time for me and so I thought that after I mentioned it on the Mailbag podcast I could reshare it here with you today. Especially if you have nothing going on for the next couple of days or some slow time. I've been listening to a lot of podcasts this week. Here's a nice long one for you to re listen to that is evergreen as much as it was relevant the day that it came out. Here is my interview. Dr. Will Kirby bears off. Hey everybody, Rob Cecerino here and I have a very special presentation for you today. You are going to hear an interview with Dr. Will Kirby, a reality TV legend. Just a little bit of backstory before I started podcasting way back in 2010, Once Upon a time I had my own experience on reality TV and the biggest impetus for me wanting to go out to finally send in a tape to be on a reality TV show was that I watched a man on the Big Brother live feeds named Will Kirby and it blew my mind of what was capable the things that you could do, the fun you could have while being on reality tv. And in many ways after that my life was forever changed. The journey to get here today to this interview is a long and winding one with its own incredibly wild story, but not one that I am able to share with you today. Instead, I hope you enjoy this free flowing conversation with one of the all time reality TV greats Will Kirby. Which you can see currently Tuesday nights on NBC at 9pm on Dealer no Deal island and of course hear all about it right here on Rob has a podcast when you're subscribed at Rob has a website.com subscribe so get ready for maybe the wildest podcast ride you're ever going to take. My exclusive interview with Will Kirby. Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cisternino here and it is my great pleasure to bring an interview that I have long wanted to do all throughout my podcast career. I'm very excited that this is finally the day that I get to talk to just an absolute icon, the most entertaining to ever do it. The great Dr. Will Kirby is here. Will, how are you?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

First off, Rob, I want to apologize that it's taken me so long to get on. I am a huge fan. I listen to most of the podcasts. Not all of them, but you are supremely talented and very sincerely, thank you for having me on. I appreciate that very much.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, Will, ask me how I'm doing.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Rob, how are you, sir?

[Rob Cesternino]

I gotta be honest, I'm a little upset. I'm hot. I'm hot. And you know what?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Talk to me.

[Rob Cesternino]

I, you know, you can't say this, but, but I can. I'm upset that Dr. Will, for over 20 years, has not been a contestant on any of these reality TV games. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, it's true.

[Rob Cesternino]

This man takes a break from his being a pioneer in medicine to come out of retirement. And one these people on Deal or no Deal island, which is on Tuesday nights on NBC, seem to have zero respect or appreciation for somebody. Look, you know what? Hey, Will, I bet when you were, you know, an intern and like the greatest medical practitioner of all time walks into the hospital, I bet all the interns and residents weren't like, oh, screw this guy.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Generation. It's a different generation, Robin. You have to earn your keep these days. So we're three episodes in and I. All I can tell you is, please stay tuned. It gets better and better and better and better, and you're going to see these relationships evolve. Yeah. So if you haven't seen the show, I don't want to spoil it, but if you have, I come in hot and I stay hot. It took more than 20 years to bring me back and I didn't want to go in and just sort of limp through it. And I hope I provided good entertainment to all the viewers.

[Rob Cesternino]

I just wanted make it clear first. So I'm upset with these contestants. Okay. Number two, I'm upset with all of these self proclaimed Big Brother fans and stands and big, Big Brother all, all the groups and everything. We love big brother. And Dr. Will has come back to your TV and. Are you even watching?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That's a fair question. What the hell? Yeah, that's a, that's a very fair question. I, I mean, it's just a different world we live in these days. If you even try to go back and watch Big Brother 2, it's so blurry and it's so slow that the modern human mind can't even understand it. So I, you know, I, I hope that the entertainment factor comes in over the next few weeks and, and I really, truly believe it does so, yeah, all I'm asking for is a little bit of patience here. Rob, you are an expert. In fact, you're probably the single most knowledgeable reality personality known to all of humanity. And what I'm asking you again as a personal favor is deep breath. Give it a couple.

[Rob Cesternino]

I'm going to give it time. I'm just.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

What happens.

[Rob Cesternino]

I'm just upset. I'm upset for you that, that these people are, are not, not showing up like they should. And really, I mean, I feel like, look, I'm thrilled you're talking to me and maybe this is all part of the plan, but I mean, this is, this is an event that you're. That. That they got you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dealer. No.

[Rob Cesternino]

Deal island got you to come. Who? You said you would never do one of these shows ever, ever. And you. And they got you and you're talking to me. Why aren't you talking to Jimmy Fallon? Why aren't you talking to Hoda Gottby right now? I mean, is hosting SNL out of the question?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I think, I don't think you'd be.

[Rob Cesternino]

Musical guest also, like Timothee Chalamet probably.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I couldn't probably do that. Although, you know, there have been worse musical guests. You know, we over romanticize everything in the past, whether it's Saturday Night Live or Big Brother or any other reality show. And I am well aware that we live in a very noisy world. And it's so noisy that you have to get attention these days by actually providing entertainment. Yeah, I. It's my strong contention that occurs very soon on Deal or no Deal Island. So if you know who I am and you've watched shows in the past, that's wonderful. You're going to have a great experience if you don't know, and that's totally fine too. And you watch Deal or no Deal Island, I promise you, you're going to have a visceral reaction to what happens over the next few weeks.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, well. Well, I'm thrilled to get the chance to talk to you about this whole entire experience and where you're at right now. So Will, can you tell me what was it about Dondi, about Deal or no Deal island that made you say, you know what, this is the show I'm coming back for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Just like a lot of things in life, it was timing. So I was, you know, I was a late entrant to the show. If you've seen the first episode, I showed up late. I was really a last minute fill in. And if you're ever called after a show has already started. Clearly, you weren't the top choice. But nonetheless, you know, they tracked me down. And if I'm being candid, you know, I. My daughter has never seen me on TV, and my kids are 12 and 14, so, you know, I'm just the guy who tells them to brush your teeth and to get good grades. Like, there is. There's a lack of understanding, you know, because no one thinks their parents are cool. If you think about your parents or, you know, you can't ever fathom a time when they were cool. And I tell my kids, hey, I'm cool. I'm really cool. I'm a cool dude. And they're like, no, you're not. You're a dork. So they might be right. But I felt like I had to show my daughter a good time on tv and, you know, hopefully. Hopefully you'll agree. And we accomplished at least that partially as the show progresses. So anyway, it was just timing. They asked me to do it, you know, brought me in last second. I got some shots, got a physical, somehow tricked the psychiatrist and passed that exam, and here I am.

[Rob Cesternino]

Had you been a fan of the first season of Deal or no Deal Island?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

In the interest of transparency, I had not seen that first season when they called me, I had never heard of it. So my daughter and I started watching it that night. We had previously watched the Survivor season that Yam Yam won. That's the first full season of Survivor. I watched with her, and we loved it. He's captivating. It's a great show. Carolyn was on there. She was amazing. It's colorful, it's bright, it's tropical setting. It just seemed like a great fit. And again, it was the timing. They called me this summer. I had a little bit of flexibility in my schedule, and so it was. I'm very, very glad I did it. I will tell you this, Rob. I don't want to digress and shift gears too hard, but if you're a reality television perspective contestant or an existing reality personality and you want to go back. Dondi, Deal or no Deal island is absolutely the show to do that because they treat you unbelievably well. It's in a gorgeous tropical setting. I'm an environmentalist. I love animals. I love nature. I love to surf. The setting could not have been better. But, Rob, I'm going to tell you what pushed me over the edge. They make your bed. Every day. They make your bed. Can you even imagine, I mean, the level of opulence associated with this show? It's it's fun. The setting's incredible. They feed you, they make your bed. It just. Everything clicked. It was just the greatest experience. So if you're. If you're applying for a show and you want to go on a show, Deal or no Deal island unequivocally is the best show you could ever go on, unequivocally in terms of the. The experience, but also in terms of the potential money you could win. Now, if you're. If you're a reality contestant and there's a great. We're in the Golden Arrow. Right. It's coming back between Traders and between the food shows and between the. The Amazing Race is bringing back again this next season. Bringing back reality contestants. Big Brother often brings back old personalities. If you are. If you're a personality and you want to come back, Deal or no Deal island is the place to do it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, I know. Will, you're a big fan of all sorts of media. Do you feel like that we are in an era where it's sort of like the MCU of that we have are now crossing the streams of all of the reality genres and bringing in all of our biggest heroes?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. You know, the problem with that, and I'm a big Marvel fan, is that, you know, I was very much against. I love the Loki, but I'm really much against this timeline concept where that there's multiple universes and multiple timelines, because if that's the case, then nothing really matters, and I don't feel that way about life. So I love the idea, since you made the analogy, I love the idea that Marvel is bringing back characters in and they overlap and they intertwine, and it's fascinating to see them do that. But there really is only one reality, and that's the reality right now. So we're still at that golden age of Marvel before they started to jump that metaphorical shark. And I absolutely love that there's this resurgence. And I will also name drop the people who I think are phenomenal on these shows and people who have not been represented and need to get. And need to be placed back on them. So, as a fan of unscripted television, this is a great time to be alive. What a world we live in.

[Rob Cesternino]

You said you were going to name some names.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I'll do it. Rob, are you ready?

[Rob Cesternino]

I'm ready. I'm going to get a pen. Yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

If I was a producer on any of these shows, on Traders, on Dealer, no Deal island, on Big Brother, Survivor, any of these, I would have to bring back this is in no particular order, right?

[Rob Cesternino]

They're listening.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Oh, definitely they're listening. They're, they're texting me right now, believe it or not. Number not, number one. Sorry. In no particular order. Jervis Peterson. Jervis Guy. Jervis came and stayed for me a week with me a week this last summer. We've been friends for 20 years. He's wildly athletic. He's unbelievably charismatic.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

He's just funny as hell. He's, he's truly one of the, he's an old school OG gangsters. I mean, he's one of those people who absolutely should be brought back just simply for the entertainment value. Like he's a, and he's a phenomenal strategist. So I would be honored to go on a show with him. I would love to team up with him on a show. I'd be open minded to that if I had the availability. I probably don't, but I would really, really like to see him come back.

[Rob Cesternino]

If you gave me 100 guesses, I wouldn't have said Jervis. Really?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Oh, he's the best. He's a close friend of mine. Good. Good dude.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, you ready for this one? Ready.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I don't have to do this all day. I can, but. Amazing Race 1, Brennan Swain.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, good dude.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Super smart. He's a lawyer. He is very level headed. He's not going to be the guy who flips the table. He's not going to be the guy who, you know, he's not gonna, you know, be some sort of crazy physical threat at this age. Unbelievably intelligent, unbelievable strategist. He just needs that shot to again prove himself. So I, I hope someone would take a risk and kind of go old school, go back on these original characters.

[Rob Cesternino]

What would he be like without Rob?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I know.

[Rob Cesternino]

You well. No, I, I, that was, wasn't that his partner on the Amazing Race?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Oh, Rob for breeze.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There's a lot of Rob's, there's Rob.

[Rob Cesternino]

There'S a lot of Robs, there's a lot of robbers.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, but Rob put you on the spot. Why, why aren't you back on one of these shows?

[Rob Cesternino]

Such a good question.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Let's talk about your attributes here. Okay. Unbelievably charismatic. It's super funny. And then you have something that's really unique to the reality genre, which is you have the ability to evolve very quickly because I've seen you do it. So with these shows, you don't know what the twists are going to be. You don't know what the setting is going to be. You don't know. You, you know, you go in and you're just hoping for the best. But the people who do the best are either people who are supremely lucky and the show happens just to align with their skill set or people who can evolve quickly. And you're one of those people who can evolve very quickly. Whether it's the Amazing Race or a cooking show or Dondi, you would take a day or two to assess the situation, but then you would find your way in very quickly. And it's those changelings, right? Those shape shifters, the chameleons like you, like me, who can go on these shows. Might take a day or two, but you learn your way around and then you really have a lot of fun. So I would really love for any executive listening to this to see Rob has a podcast. Rob on the show. Is that your legal last name?

[Rob Cesternino]

No. No, it's not. It's a common question. Common misconcept conception. Okay, well, you're doing such a great job so far, so I want to, I want to reward you. Okay, thank you. All right. All right. So Will, I have something that I thought you might like. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I don't like surprises, but I'm open minded.

[Rob Cesternino]

I think you like surprises. Okay. All right. Well, I have here a wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes.

[Rob Cesternino]

Will and I, and I won't get into too much of it, but Will and I have been, you know, having some pre production conversations.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Oh, yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

Will had sent me a list of topics he wanted to cover on this podcast.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

These are topics that are Approved.

[Rob Cesternino]

Approved, approved. Dr. Will Kirby, topics of conversation. I have put these 21 topics that Dr. Will had sent me on this wheel behind me. Also on this wheel, I also included a slot that is Will's choice, a slot that is Rob's choice, and a slot that is chat GPT created.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

And so at any time, I mean, we'll get back to. We'll get back to Dondi. Tuesdays, 9pm NBC.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

I think stream it the next day on the peacock. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That's right.

[Rob Cesternino]

All right. Was that a good enough spin? I feel like I needed a little more. You're a Price is Right winner. Okay. You know that's true. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Oh, that's a better spin.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, it's a better spin. And on the wheel, I put a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Lot of thought into these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Can a man over, over 50 wear Adidas Sambas? Yeah, I misread this. Originally when I, when I got this question, I thought the question was, can a man wear 50 sambas? And I was going to tell you, well, you're crazy. You can't wear 50 sneakers at the same time.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

No. If you're not familiar, sambas are kind of the hit sneaker these days with the younger kids. My kids have them, everyone at their middle school, they're all wearing pajama pants and then samba sneakers. So I learned the hard way that men over 50 can't wear skinny jeans. That was an embarrassing experience personally. But I like sambas. But I'm not new to sambas. I've been wearing sambas for a long time and the debate in my house is whether or not I'm allowed to wear sambas. And the current consensus is amongst the, you know, middle schoolers and high schoolers is that I am not. So Rob, I want to put that question back on you. Can a 50 year old man plus 50 plus wear. It doesn't have to be sambas, but hip clothing or does that just make them look like Jeff Bezos?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, I think, I think you can, I think you can especially look, who's to say, like these are children, they don't, they don't have a sense of, of, you know, you know, if you like it, do it now. I did not. I was not familiar with Adidas Sambo's prior to this conversation, so I tried to do a lot of research here. I googled them before the podcast and to my, to my, you know, untrained eye, they don't seem like they're anything that's crazy. It seems like a pretty basic sneaker and stripes. So it's not like anything that's embarrassing.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Rob, are you available for teen counseling? Because I'd like to bring you in and talk to some children.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, you know, I just like you're, and your kids are a little older than mine, but you know, I get the same sort of thing like, oh my God, dad, what are you doing? Let me live.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, my kids said, hey, listen, they sat me down and they said, are we going to be embarrassed by anything we see on Deal or no Deal Island, NBC, 9pm Tuesdays. And I said, oh hell yeah. I said, you better not watch it. And I said, they said, what if you embarrass us in front of our friends? I said, just tell, tell them that's, that I have a twin. So that's kind of what we're going with now. Oh, so they don't like, I'm like, that wasn't me. Yeah, my twin.

[Rob Cesternino]

What's your Relationship, like with the host of Dealer. No Deal Island, Joe Manganiello.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Joe Manganiello. So, Joe, first of all, I can't say enough great things about him when. When you. When you look at the other hosts available in this genre. And I'm really not judging, but okay, I'm. I'm fully judging, comparatively. Joe is the cream of the crop because Joe is. He. He doesn't get enough credit for his sense of humor. I love to challenge people, and when I came in, Joe definitely didn't know what to do with me. And I could tell that he was, like, pretty upset with some of the things that I did on the show. And as it evolved a little bit, I could tell he was warming up to me. And the reason I knew he was warming up to me, Rob, is because I would give a little tiny bit of an Easter egg. I would reference. Make a pop culture reference very subtly, very small, and he would immediately pick up on it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

And so hopefully that's going to make it into the show. But I can't say enough great things about Joe Manganiello. He and I both love small dogs. He. He is truly, in my personal opinion, the single best unscripted host on television right now. Again, these are just my personal opinions. I really am not looking for a lot of people to argue with me. But if you know it, Julie Chan is a little bit of an automaton, right? Like, she's a little bit of a robot. That's her stick. But you don't get the sense that she's, like, wildly passionate about what's going on in the show.

[Rob Cesternino]

He loves it.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That's just, you know, again, there's not either good nor bad. It's just my interpretation. With Jeff Probst, again, don't kill the messenger. It's hard to watch the show because he's the master of being obvious. So he'll go. Rob is now climbing a rope, and Rob is now going down the rope, and now Rob is walking, and now Rob is running, and you're like, stop. I can see it. Stop talking. So he. He. To me, he's an obligate talker. That's not to take away anything from Big Brother, anything from Survivor. If you look at Joe Manganiello, I told you before, I love people who can evolve. His personality evolves before the camera. He started off kind of strict, a little bit, you know, uptight. And as the show progresses that as he becomes to know us better, he gets looser and it just gets. He is the best. I have nothing but great things to say about him. Super generous guy. Really cool guy.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. He's been a lot of fun to. For us to get to work with and, you know, get to talk to as part of, like, how much he cares about Dealer, no Deal Island. So that's been really cool to see. He gets the function as sort of the good cop to the bad cop, that is the banker.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, he's. I mean, the thing about Joe is that he. He's a competitive guy. You could tell that. And there is a little bit of jealousy with him because you can tell he wants to. Like, he's. He's almost like. And it's good, but he's almost, like, overly involved in the sense that he's holding back. You can see he's holding back, and he's trying not to play favorites, and he's trying not to give information away. But what I love about him is. Is his enthusiasm. It pours over. You can see that, like, in a perfect world, he would love to put the mic down and jump in and do the contest. And I love that. I love it when you know that that wall is being broken, that barrier is being broken, and you kind of can't tell who the host is and who the contestants are and what's happening. It's just. It's a really. That's a magical thing. I've done a lot of different reality shows, some of them amazing, some of them terrible. But Deal or no Deal island, there was magic there. The cast was exceptional.

[Rob Cesternino]

In this cast, you came in and you went and said, hey, Parvati, you know, you've been on Survivor. You know, you know how this game goes. A lot of people had not yet known that Parvati was a Survivor. Had you met Parvati prior to Dealer? No Deal Island?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I had, and I met her on. I only know people from reality TV, so I met her on the Traitors Season 2. Because I did a guest episode on the Traitors, and she was there, and I spoke to her extremely briefly there. She might not even have remembered, but the. When they called me to do Dondi, that's what we call deal or no deal Island.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Season one had had Boston Rob, and he's a legend in the space. And, you know, I've been doing this long enough that I said, well, I'm coming in late, and there's way. I'm the only twist. So I anticipated that there'd be another legend there and that I anticipated that one would be female. So I memorized statistics about the other female legends in the space. And sure enough, I walk in and there's poverty. Yeah. And right off the bat and. And you. They don't show this on the show, but you can watch behind the scenes clips on Instagram and they show me interacting with her and you can see where she's like, wow, this guy did his homework. And I was. When I entered, I'm gonna make sure I don't give anything away because nothing's worse than spoilers. But, you know, to be really transparent, I had high hopes that I was gonna work with poverty from the beginning. And then very quickly, if you've watched the first three episodes, you realize that that wasn't a possibility. She was not open to it. I could read her body language. She had already made a decision of who to align with. So when, when I figured that out and I fully was aware she wasn't going to work with me, I was like, well, I'm. I'm certainly not here to elevate her game. So let me take it down a notch. And that's when I, you know, released the fact that I knew who she was.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. You came in kind of hot to start off. Deal or no Deal Island.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Very hot.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Why did you decide to come in that way when you're already somebody who has, you know, a target on your back, coming in, in a tuxedo, in a speedboat, you're already. Other than why, why come in guns blazing?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Totally fair question. That was a calculated risk. I knew coming in late that some alliances would have been set. I knew I was going to be a huge distraction and I knew I was going to be an easy target. So I just wanted to lean into that. I really had no choice. You know, I could either deny that I had a reality television background, which wouldn't make sense because certainly one or two people would know who I was. And poverty could have outed me. I could have come in and just kind of acknowledged it, but then sort of played the field and then I wouldn't have been trustworthy. But what I thought I would do is completely demolish any, any discussion of, of my intentions. Like, when I went into the game, I wanted people to be aware that I was wildly unpredictable. I was provocative, I was going to be interesting. And that I. And, and so much so that basically I wanted to make my target so unbelievably big that people would want to keep me because of the distraction quotient or they would want to join with me because they weren't in another alliance and they might as well work with the person who they knew people were going to be against. So again, it was a calculated risk. Risk. If you watch the last episode with Rock, you know, that was very scary for me. I thought I was going to come in and be gone. You know, grand opening, grand closing, enter the episode, and then exit the same episode. So I was really relieved there because I knew everyone was in his ear telling him to get rid of me. I love the Rock. I thought he was an awesome dude. He and I are in touch. He's like a really, really sweet guy. But, you know, it was a calculated risk and it. Luckily it paid. It didn't pay off yet, but the good news is it didn't hurt me yet either.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, I mean, you were the person that invented a target so big that it becomes invisible, and I guess we'll have to wait and see. But come, just tell me from coming into the game, in a game where anybody could lose, could beat the banker, and then point to you that did you feel like that that was the optimal strategy coming into dealer no deal island?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You mean the optimal strategy question being coming in hot.

[Rob Cesternino]

Coming in. Coming in hot with such a big target where you know, anybody.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

All right, well, you're.

[Rob Cesternino]

You're gone.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, I mean, poverty came in and some people knew who she was and some people didn't, and she was just going to play that out. And so I. I knew I couldn't do that. I mean, someone. It was very obvious to me that she was already doing that. And me going from that same playbook just wouldn't have worked. So I figured I might as well go in the complete opposite direction. It would maybe be so unbelievably jarring and it would be so foreign and so bizarre that, you know, people would be entertained by it and not think of it as a threat initially.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, let me ask you a question, because I feel like again, as you know, somebody, you know, I thought it was 2025 and I'm watching the TV and I'm hearing all sorts of people talk about your appearance, talk about your clothes and. Hold on, I thought we're not supposed to be body shaming anybody. And wait a second. How come when it. Oh, if it's Dr. Will, then I guess it's okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, that. What's funny, you know what's interesting to me, Rob, is that keep in mind social media. I'm not the biggest fan of social media. I'm of the personal belief, and I know I'm going to get a lot of tiktokers angry by this statement, I think 10 years from now, we're going to look back at social media and it's going to be like cigarettes in the 1980s, right? Like, we know that it causes a dopamine rush. We know that it's addictive. We know that it's not good for us. We all get sucked into it, myself included. But I'm of the personal belief that, you know, social media is not going to be great health, health wise, long term. And let me tell you another fact, young people out there, no one ever, on their tombstone has engraved, I wish I had spent more time on Facebook. It just doesn't exist. Right? Like, you can. These things may seem more important when you're younger, but as you age and mature and develop wisdom, you realize that social media is pretty laughable. The thing that social media has done is given everybody a voice. So it used to be that, you know, if you wanted to be a bully or say something rude, you had to stay it in someone's face. And the ramifications of that, if you went to middle school with me is you might get punched in the face. But now you can stay anonymous, you can say whatever you want online. But the funny thing is, it doesn't. No one cares about that. Like, I don't believe cyberbullying is real because you can just hang up your phone, right? Like, so if someone says, hey, Dr. Will, you're really pale. Thanks. Great job solving that case, Sherlock. I'm pale, which I do sue my grandparents. I'm pale. I used to be. As you age, little dermatological fact for you here, it gets more and more difficult to tan uniformly. I care about my skin tremendously. I'm pale. Yes, I am pale, but I'm not insulted by that. That's like, just like, hey, the sky's blue. Is that an insult? Or you're just stating a fact? So, you know, the other one is like, wow, Dr. Will got old. I'm 52. That's how time works. It's a linear process. You get old. So if you're so naive to sit on social media and complain about the way I look or the fact that time goes on, I, I really. There's no point in having a conversation because the disconnect, the chasm is so big, we're not going to interact. So, you know, one plus one equals seven. Sure, knock yourself out. Have at it. Dr. Wills. Pale. Yes, that's true. I am pale. So there's. It's almost like I couldn't care less. Why did I pull my socks up because we were getting bitten by a billion ants. You don't have to send me a tweet letting me know that pulling my socks up look dorky. I wanted it to look dorky and form false function. It was preventing me from getting bitten by ants. If you don't want to wear high socks, then you apply for Deal or no Deal Island, Tuesday at 9pm on NBC. You get on the show and you wear short shock socks. It's that simple. So if I'm so pale, here's an idea. You go to the tanning salon and then you apply for dealer. No Deal Island, 9pm on Tuesday on NBC and recurring on Peacock. And you show your tan on tv. But you don't have to tell me things that I already know. I just don't care. So you're just wasting your time.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, at the risk of, you know, getting too far into the social media question that's on the Wheel that I find myself will using it much less than I used to five years ago, certainly 10 years ago, because I feel like I'm out there. I got my real name. This is my real face, my real picture of me. I got skin in the game. And now everybody else is wearing a mask. They're at a costume party. Say when they got a name like, you know, you know, Jiminy Joe 45216. And they're. They're throwing their feces any way they want. They got no skin in the game. They got nothing to lose.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

But also, Rob, the feces don't hit you if you don't go to the zoo, Right?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

The champions. So again, cyberbullying isn't real because I just turn off my phone. So I don't like. It's totally fine. People can say whatever they want. My hair is silver. Yes. I have pale skin. It's just. I'm good with it. Guys, I'm not gonna deny I'm not a vampire. I'm not gonna deny that. I mean, but, you know, that's. Again, like, that's more an Ancestry.com23andMe sort of heritage DNA thing. I'm a day walker.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, you're doing great. I want to go back to the Wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bob. You're doing great. Let's go to the Wheel.

[Rob Cesternino]

Let's go to the Wheel. Okay. We got a lot to get through here, Rob.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I have all the time in the world. I owe you 20 years worth of 20 years. That's.

[Rob Cesternino]

That's great. I've cleared the rest of my day so if we end up. If the wheel. I just want to say this before I turn around and look at what's on the wheel. If the wheel hits a spot. I thought of this before. Okay, that's empty. We'll just go. Go to the next sequential.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Knock yourself out, whatever you like, rather than re spin.

[Rob Cesternino]

I feel like that could get boring for the listeners if we're just spinning and spinning. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

All right. Can I tell you something that I love about you?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You're so talented at podcasting, and I know this to be true, even though you and I have never had this discussion, is you're actually not making this podcast for an audience. You're making it for yourself. If all. If you lost electricity there, you would just podcast. You would just call me up and you and I would chat about this and that. That is truly what I love about it, because that's the way I try to play Deal or no Deal Island, 9pm on Tuesdays on NBC, is I'm not to. What I'm ultimately trying to do is entertain myself, because I think so highly of myself. I just genuinely do that. If I can make myself laugh, I most assuredly am making someone else out there laugh too. So I don't have to worry about the fans getting bored about the wheel, because I love it and I know you love it. And if we can entertain each other, that's really all that matters.

[Rob Cesternino]

That's all that matters.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

If 50% of your podcast people don't like it, turn it off. And if 50% love it, if one person loves it, that's all I'm looking for today.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And you have spoken at great length about the value of being entertaining on these reality TV shows. That's why you're the best to ever do it. It comes down to watch.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Like, I mean, one person wins. There's a lot of luck involved in that. I don't care what show it is. It doesn't matter. There is a tremendous amount of luck involved in winning. So we know that. Yes, skill matters, social game matters, charisma matters. You know, maybe you have a showmance, but. But luck truly dictates the ultimate outcome of any of these shows. And it's frustrating to me when someone goes, wow, the person who won was so amazing, and they stabbed the person in second place in the back. Okay, yes, that happens. But to get to that point, there's just a tremendous amount of luck. So what. So why are we watching these shows? Let's just break it down to its core. If you're watching television and you're not entertained, then you're doing it wrong and the participants are doing it wrong. So that doesn't mean you like me. It doesn't mean you hate me. It just means you have to be entertained and it's okay to keep an open mind. And one episode like a person, and the next episode, hate that person. That's human. That's a relationship. That's how the human Persona evolves. So, again, I take no offense when people don't like me, but I also, you know, I never let the highs get too high or the lows get too low. If someone finds me entertaining, that's wonderful for all of us. If they don't, that's fine, too.

[Rob Cesternino]

And you're going to do what is going to most entertain you. Even though it may frustrate your various handlers over the years, you're always going to do what's going to be the most fun for you. But if you're having fun, we, the viewers, are having fun.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Nothing is more annoying to me than that, than the puppet, the person who just goes through the show. They don't really do anything. They end up at the final three because they're not a threat. They roll a ball in the hole, and next thing you know, you have a wildly unmemorable season and you've wasted your time watching a show. It's just the show should be exhilarating. It should be fun. Yes, you can watch it passively on your phone, but if you're. If it's a chore and you're getting angry, don't watch it. So I just, I hope people really entertain, really appreciate that entertainment value. And again, all I ask is just to keep an open mind. And remember, you can apply. You can apply today. Rob, can anyone apply on any show?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, unless they're an employee of the company. If you're an employee of NBC, I do not believe you can apply for dealing with Deal Island.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

But if you're a viewer online and you have an opinion about Rob's shirt today or anything else, apply for a show and wear your own shirt. You're allowed to do that. So I just think it's that. I think it's the greatest equalizer of all time. I want to be an NBA player, but I'm not good at basketball. I want to be a professional surfer, but I'm not good at surfing. But if you're at home and you want to be a reality contestant, you can literally apply today. It's so unbelievably. Easy. So show me your diet.

[Rob Cesternino]

Never been easier.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It's never been easier than when Will.

[Rob Cesternino]

Was on Big Brother, too. That I'm sure that. That there were hoops you had to jump through. He had to, like, you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Betamax tape.

[Rob Cesternino]

In a big tape, you know, you would send in a tape, and then, like, months would go by. You have no idea if. If the mailman dropped it or they just never got back to you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You. Nothing. You know, you didn't know ghosting was at another level. You just mailed something into the universe, and you hoped that a random guy picked it up at your house, gave it to a couple other random people, and they randomly gave it to someone else. It was like. It was like the, you know, like in the old days when they would just have a letter and give it to a horse, and then, like, the horse would take it, that guy would get shot, and they, you know, maybe it would ride or maybe it would. No one knew. No one knew. No. And that's what it's like. But these days, you can apply in the next 15 minutes to a show, and guess what? You won't have to tweet about me or Rob or any other contestant.

[Rob Cesternino]

They'll call you by the end of the day.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. Yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

All right, I have a question for you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

A discussion topic. Should Dr. Will run for a political office one day? This is a tough question.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

I get this question a lot. So, you know, the first thing that you have to look for with any job, and I interview a lot of people for a lot of roles at my company, is competency. And you have to see if someone's competent. And that's very different than reality tv. When you're interviewing people for reality tv, it's ultimately, are they interesting, are they entertaining? But with a job, it's competency. And I'm really not a political person. But we have reached that point in society where I think we can agree that many politicians are incompetent. So my thought here is, what if you had someone who was, you know, financially stable enough and had enough time and enough competency to do one run? Like, here's the concept, Rob, and I don't know the role, but I'll run for something. I'm not going to take a salary. I'm going to do it one time, one time only, for whatever the, you know, four years or whatever it is, and that's it. And what we're going to do is usher in a new era of common sense, because I'm not taking the Salary. And because I'm never going to run again, you can rest assured that everything I do will be based on common sense for the betterment of the people, of the environment, of the state of the country, whatever it is. And there is no politics involved because I don't need the money, I don't need to grift. I'm wildly competent running an organization. And you know, I have my track, my background is unbelievably clean. I did get a parking ticket in El Segundo not that long ago. I fought it four times. I lost. Ultimately, that's my disclosure. I did not. And it's still bs. I should not have gotten a parking ticket. But I lost. And that will be on my record. But other than that, I have a squeaky clean record. And the people these days in politics, I mean, these are people who have done again. And I'm, I am really agnostic. I'm not Democrat, I'm independent, I'm not Republican, I don't really care. I just wish, and I think we can all agree on this, we should usher in an era of common sense. Why is that so unbelievably hard? And so, you know, I just, I just wish that maybe in my next career, in 10 years, 15 years, I will, you know, because you can be a politician and be old as hell these days. You can be 100 years old and still be a politician. So maybe, you know, 70, I'll start considering running for an office. And if I do, and if you remember this, rest assured, common sense will be ushered in.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, this sounds like great news to me, Will, and I was wondering if this was more of a hypothetical for you, but this sounds like something that you might actually be considering as you entering maybe a second or third act.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You know, I lived in California a long time. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass. What happened with the Palisades fire? She was in Africa partying. You know what I mean?

[Rob Cesternino]

Ratings, from what I read, or they're.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

They'Re bad, you know, so there's some politicians that, you know, I guess the question to ask yourself is, could I do worse? You know, I don't want the money. I don't. I'm not going to run again. And am I competent? Yes. Now, could I do worse than we're doing now? No, I couldn't do I actively, if I tried, I couldn't do worse than we're currently doing. So maybe the consideration.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah, I think there is a, there is a clamoring, I think, for, for common sense. I feel like that we, you know, we're on a pendulum that swings all the way one and then we swing all the way back and then, and then there's an overreach, and then, nope, nope, let's overreach the other way. But somebody who could be for everyone.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

And the only way you can do that is if you commit to not doing it long term. Because if you do it too long, well, you're going to get influenced one way or the other. Whereas if you look, here's the day I'm starting, here's the day I'm ending. We're going to do a whole work in between this time, and that's all there is to it. That's a reasonable concept.

[Rob Cesternino]

Maybe a dandy jackpot prize could be the first step in that direction. Is that, would that be enough to get a campaign started?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Of course, to do well with the campaign, you're going to need money. But I'm, you know, like, this is not a GoFundMe request. I'm saying just let's all keep an open mind. Let's all, you know, agree that common sense should be. Should prevail and competency and what we're dealing with now is a laugh. Lack of competency. And I feel like I have a lot to give. I've been very, very fortunate in so many ways in my life, and I feel like I have a lot to give back to the community. I do a number of things I don't really talk about, but it might be maybe a political one in the future.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. All right. What do you think the first step would be? A local office Congress. Local office Congress.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

No, I'm going like, we're going big Rob. Like maybe like. Although I would probably go like surgeon general, governorship, maybe. Yeah. Wow.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Governor of California, possibly.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. We don't know. I mean, if there's a recall this year, it's not that hard to get on the ballot and things.

[Rob Cesternino]

I can remember some of these. California recall and, you know, Gary Coleman is on the ballot.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You know what? I think Gary Coleman passed away, didn't he?

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, obviously. But I believe he was on the ballot at one one of these. Jerry Brand down special elections. Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Well, listen, I'll.

[Rob Cesternino]

Adult film actresses.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah, I'll debate anybody. I'm a big Facts of Life fan, but, you know, life takes its toll. And he's moved on to the big television.

[Rob Cesternino]

I believe it was different strokes. Will.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Good point. That's fair enough. Did he make a cameo back to life?

[Rob Cesternino]

I'm not sure. I'm not. You know what? I think it was a spin off. I think that I. So I may you that, you know, you were. It is the shared universe. I believe Mrs. Garrett was the. Not to tip off the 80s TV that's on the wheel. Mrs. Garrett worked for Mr. Drummond and then got her own spin off on the Facts of Life.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There you go. Look, there we are. That's the universe. I mean, going back to Loki. It's the timeline. They're intersecting.

[Rob Cesternino]

Mm. Yeah. With Lisa Whelchel, who was on Survivor.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Really, Blair?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

All right, fair enough. If it's not you, Jervis or Yam Yam, I'm not up to date.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. I want to know. Okay. You appeared on the Traders last season.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes.

[Rob Cesternino]

And I don't know if you could talk about this, that I'm sure they asked you to participate in the Traders and I even remember a whole kerfuffle on social media where a bunch of Big Brother alumni were like, will never competes. He's scared. He's chicken. Not Chicken George. He's afraid. He won't. He won't ever actually compete on a show.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yep. Let's talk about it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Let's talk about it.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

So, Rob, if you're so. It's really funny that, you know, every once in a while you put a plan in place and you launch it and it doesn't work. Right. But sometimes you put a plan in place and you launch it and it works perfectly. So what I did is I put out into the universe that there were some people who have played Big Brother who are considered Big Brother legends and they come back to other shows and they flop. And it's not that. It's not so much that we should be surprised that they flopped. It's that Big Brother's a completely different beast. It's a completely different show. And there is such a thing as a one hit wonder. You know, I like aha. Take on me. Right. That sketchy video. And so anyway, what my point was here is that some people, and I'm not going to name names because the Big Brother universe gets super angry, but these are truths, so there's no reason to get angry about it. We can just talk about facts. There have been people who've played Big Brother who have played show after show after show. They've played Survivor, they've done the Amazing Race, they've done Traders, they've done. They've done Snake in the Grass, they've done a million shows and they. They maybe they won Big Brother or. And then they Lose everything else. Or maybe they never even won Big Brother. There are people who've been on the challenge who lost Big Brother. It goes on and on and on. And I think my point here is that I'm going to explain this as best I can. When you tell, you know, when you're. When you're working on a comedy bit and you're working on a joke, you want people laughing with you. You don't want them laughing at you. And reality television can be very cruel because often what will happen is the executives, the casting team, the production team, and ultimately the fans are laughing at contestants. And that bothers me because I think that it's funn to laugh with the contestants, but when it becomes cruel, it's not fun. That said, there is a lack of awareness of some people who play these games and they don't recognize that the joke is on them. So, you know, I floated out in the universe that I said, look, some of these people are. What I specifically referenced is, you know, some people are going on the show to see if they still have it. And the truth is they're finding out that they never had it. So I put that out there purposely knowing that some people were going to get really angry by that. And what did they do? They immediately angry.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yelling and getting group chats were blowing up, I'm sure.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

And so anyway, that of course worked out perfectly because then it put me on the radar. And then the company said, this guy, even not being on a show knows how to rile these people up. So let's see if we can get him on a show and invite him back. And it really just was a function of time and a function of the right show. I will tell anybody. I'm the biggest fan of Deal or no Deal Island. I think it's the single best show today. I said this before. I'm going to reference it again. If you're considering applying to Survivor and you're considering applying to Dondi, Dondi should be your choice. It should be your top choice because of the setting, because of how humane it is, because of the level of excursions, the host and the ultimate possibility of the prize. It's a. It's the most superior, like show available today. So for me, it just worked out perfectly with the timing. I can't get into conversations that have been had behind the scenes with other shows. But I will tell you, if you are a pale, white heterosexual man who's been on a reality show before and you're going on another reality show, you weren't the first choice, they came to me first and I turned it down. And it's just a function of putting the pieces in place. And then Rob, I have something that is so unbelievably unique, not just to reality TV but to the entire world and that is patience. I've been waiting decades to go back on another show and I didn't want to grab the low hanging fruit. I didn't want to just do a show for the sake of doing a show. I wanted to show that I really could, no pun intended, showcase my talents and entertain people. And I hopefully, hopefully I accomplish that at least for some.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well, in your career that. Is there any stigma about being a reality TV personality? Because I've done some, some research on your work that you know, if people aren't familiar with, with what this man has done in the field of dermatology, that there are, that there are tactics and practices that you've developed that are named after you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Well, thank you so much. I mean, it is a completely different world. I take my dermatological career very seriously. We have 172 clinics. I supervise 694 people, including 25 board certified dermatologists. I've published more than 12 papers, co authored more than four books. I even co own the newest medical school in the entire United States. I co founded it, the Orlando College of Osteopathic Medicine. If you're a medical student considering applying, you should apply there. It's the most beautiful school in the world, two miles from Disney World. And so I do have a storied career in the dermatological space, but no different than my family or my hobbies. I keep that incredibly compartmentalized so that it doesn't overlap with, you know, hobbies which are reality tv. Now to answer your question, because you asked me about the stigma, what's really funny is when I went on Big Brother and for those of you who don't know, in 2001 I was lucky enough to win Big Brother and again, I, I do think I have a unique skill set, but luck is a huge portion of it. Like I joke around a lot, but I'd be remiss if I didn't say that luck was a big portion. Someone else could have easily won that show, just like someone else can win any show. But I won that show. And as a physician I was really stigmatized, you know, I really was. And it was wonderful because I love it. I love life best when my back is against the wall. So what I did is I used that opportunity to really improve my medical skills, really improve my reputation, and, you know, publish a lot, do research, and really become, at the risk of self aggrandizement, one of the eminent dermatologists in the United States. So really pleased with what I've accomplished. I will tell you, reality TV at first really stigmatized that, and then it actually helped because I was on two seasons of Dr. 90210 on E. And that actually helped my career tremendously. And it kind of corrected a lot of the damage that I had done with Big Brother. And then I was on QVC for 5 years working for Neutrogena Dermatologics. That's a Johnson & Johnson Company, one of the biggest companies in the space. So reality TV has definitely hurt my career and challenged me, but then it ultimately motivated me and it's really enhanced my career. So I've had a really wonderful relationship with reality tv. I have lifelong friends that I've met from reality tv. And it's. If you're thinking about applying to a show again, you heard me say this before. Don't tweet, don't go on Instagram, don't go on Snapchat or whatever it is. Apply. Use that time instead to apply for a show and show me and Rob and everyone listening how interesting you can.

[Rob Cesternino]

Be. Okay, well, I want to go back to the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wheel.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Okay, here we.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Go. Hey, Rob, can you hold on just one second? Keep filming. But there's a loud noise in my house. I got to see what it is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. All right, well's gonna investigate the noise. Oh, oh, wait, hold on. That he's brought up, but it's throwing off zoom. That doesn't know if this is a human or not. A giant. A giant.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bear. I killed Dr. Will, and now I've adjusted his soul. And I'm going to answer the next round of questions as Big.

[Rob Cesternino]

Teddy. Big Teddy. All right, Big Teddy, here we go. All right, we got another spin and. Oh, okay, so this is. I'm glad I brought this up earlier. We landed on a blank space, so that means we're going to advance one number. And this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Is. Wait, wait, Rob. This is the perfect time for me to get my plug in. Yeah, I own a bisexual bear strip club in the woods. It's called Paradise City, and it has a theme song. Take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears bear titties oh, won't you please take me.

[Rob Cesternino]

Home?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Bi, coastal, bilingual, bisexual bear who owns a strip club in the woods. And I attack Reality stars. And my name.

[Rob Cesternino]

Is. Is Bear. B E A R. Well.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mine. The bear Steam Bears. If you ever notice those kids books, they don't spell it the right way. They should. And my name of my strip club is B. Is B A R E. Nice. Paradise.

[Rob Cesternino]

City. Yeah, Paradise.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

City. You have to work out the legal agreements with Axl Rose and Guns N Roses about the theme song. But we're working that out. We have a team of bear.

[Rob Cesternino]

Law. Okay. All right.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Now, lawyers take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears bear. Oh, won't you please take me home?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. I think that the legal team would say that you, you should not be taking any of the workers home. I think that that should be frowned.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Upon. Well, it depends on the state. And also we have an HR department, so don't worry about that.

[Rob Cesternino]

That.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. That's one of the benefits of being the club owner. We also. I want to make this very clear, Rob. On a very serious note, we don't, we don't discriminate. Koala bear. You know, those are fine. The Kodiak bear. Grizzly.

[Rob Cesternino]

Bear.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Any. We have all. Whatever your bear kink is. Our bear strip club has.

[Rob Cesternino]

Every. Every type of every size.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? Yeah, every. Oh, every size. Every shade. We regulate every.

[Rob Cesternino]

Shade. All right. To Will and the bear. Favorite book read in the last 12.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Months? Oh, I will tell you the single best book I've ever read in my entire life, not just in the last 12 months, is sapiens by. Oh, God, what's the name? What's the name? This is a real. Hold on one.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sec. Sapiens, as in like.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Plural? Okay, I killed the bear. I'm back. Get out of the way. Big Teddy, don't. And quit trying to plug your bear. Strip club. Yuval Harari is the author of a book? Yes, please, please. I, I. It's not like I met the guy or another book. I'm telling you, this book will revolutionize your life. It's unbelievably simple, yet purely captivating. It takes you from the beginning of time to modern day history. And it explains every single thing that has happened upon the on the way. Because we're all. You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but we're all living kind of in this matrix, right? It's a, it's a world of subjugation. And it's a really noisy, confusing world. This guy, he might be one of the smartest people on earth. He just breaks down everything you ever wanted to know. How religion was invented. How organisms have evolved, how we got to where we are today. It. And it is also. It's so digestible. It's just. It's a great book. As a gift, it's. I would highly recommend it. I would highly, highly, highly recommend it to anyone. When my kids are older, I'm gonna force them to read it. Rob, please do me a personal favorite.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sapiens. I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Will. The name of the book, it is. If there's any chance of humanity, like, going into, you know, this century with any type of hope for the future, you're gonna have to read this book and just really understand where we came from. We're all. We're all clouded with this subjugation. Right? Like, things are shoved down our throat and, you know, enforced upon us. And then your perception is reality. But he just breaks it all down. And again, this is not voodoo. It's not, you know, like, I don't believe in astrology. This isn't anything like that. This is a purely historical work, very, very well you know, documented, where he explains how we became the society that we are.

[Rob Cesternino]

Today. How far into our society now.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Does it go, basically, currently? I mean, it doesn't go, you know, like, it goes to, like, where we are right now, today. It doesn't go to the current political climate, because it was probably written seven to ten years ago, but it takes you up to modern.

[Rob Cesternino]

Society. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Sorry, I was interrupting.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. How did you hear about this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Book? Who turned you on reader? I read. I mean, I'm just constantly reading books. I just. I love it. It calms my mind. I mean, I podcasts because I like to be really physical, and I don't mean, like, grappling with sweaty dudes or, like, homoerotic.

[Rob Cesternino]

Stuff. There would be nothing wrong with.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. No, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. But, like, nothing about me says, like, you know, gonna fight you in an alley or anything like that. Like, I, like, I'm all for that macho stuff, but I'm more like gardening but listening to podcasts while I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Garden.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So I love podcasts because I can just learn things and open up my mind to areas of the world and perspectives that I never thought of. And this is a book that really just sort of lays the foundation for that. You can do it on audiobook. I'm sure it's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Phenomenal. Well, I do. I wanted to ask you. So, you know, I'm a big audiobook person. Is the right verb for me to say when I cite something from an audiobook? Can I say I read the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Book. That's a great question. I mean, I think you have to take this back a little further when you talk about. Because we're talking about television and podcast today. When you're. People think a viewer and audience is the same thing, and they're not. Viewer implies someone who can view, and that's someone who's watching something. And even though you're listening, it's typically on tv. So then on the audiobook, you know, it is audio. So you're the audience. Now with the podcast, it's a hybrid, because someone can listen to this and they can listen us to Doc today, or they can watch, and then they get to see Big Teddy, although he's now completely immobilized. And, you know, and you can see that. That. But the point. So to answer your question, I think it's totally acceptable to say I read it. The implication there is that people associate reading with being intelligent and because it does take extra work. So maybe you're kind of patting yourself on the back a little bit too hard. But if you know the content, no one's going to know anyway. So I feel very comfortable saying.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Okay, all right. Because that's why I was like, well, I didn't read it. But you're almost embarrassed. Yeah, I'm.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Embarrassed. It's okay, because I'm the same way. Like you're saying, like, I'm embarrassed I didn't read it. But it's okay, because the point is that you collected that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Knowledge. I'm a multitasker. I can't just sit and read a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Book. I get it. I get it. I mean, what, like a pager, Yellow pages, a library, books. These are all things that don't exist.

[Rob Cesternino]

Anymore. Yeah. Okay. I think the Yellow Pages do exist. I'm not sure why. Yeah, I think there's a lot of a big business. I think the Yellow.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Pages. Fair.

[Rob Cesternino]

Enough. Yeah. They used to, like, drop it off at my house. Like, well, you know what? If I ran for office, that would be the number one thing I'd get rid of. Abolish the Yellow.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Pages. What about unsolicited junk mail? I mean, how much? I would say 98% of my mail is junk. And I'm an environmentalist. So I call every single company and I say, can you please take me off your list? And they're like, yes. So sorry. No problem. And it comes the next week. It is criminal. I want you to imagine an alien landed in the backyard, and they said, hey, what are you doing today? I said, I'm going to get my mail. And they said, oh, explain mail to us. No problem. I go to this box, I open it up, it's magical. I don't know what's going to be in it. Mostly what's in it is garbage, but then also two or three things that will enrage me. And the aliens are like, well, why do you do this? And I'm like, I don't know. That's just the society we've developed. You know what I mean? So. So people voluntarily send you. You don't want. And I'm like, welcome to. To the world. Welcome to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Earth.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. Yeah. What is going on.

[Rob Cesternino]

There? And you're a very successful person that. Can I ask you what. What do you do with all this? Because I'm wondering, like, how does a normal person deal with this? I got like, a stack of, like, credit card applications. I guess I gotta shred it. I can't just throw it out. And it's just like pie. Like, I have a pile of stuff that I have to now figure out how to dispose so hackers can't get.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Me. Rob, I love that you ask us. And this is why Rob has a podcast is the best podcast show in the world. Because we give you real value. We give you tools that you can go home with. You can easily Google different ways to remove yourself from junk mail lists. There's also a website called catalogchoice.com. big fan of that. You go in, you put the catalog, and they will unsubscribe you for it, believe it or not. And you're gonna have to excuse me because I can't remember the name. There's another service and it costs $1 total. Catalog Choice is one of them, but there's three or four, and you can opt out of mail. And it doesn't work perfectly, but it does work really well temporarily. So basically what happens is instead of getting a mountain of junk mail over the course of about six to eight months, it'll trickle down to none, and then it'll start to trickle back up. So you do have to do it every couple years. But it does work, and I highly encourage everyone to do.

[Rob Cesternino]

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[Dr. Will Kirby]

Season? I am very close fans with Daniel Reyes. Yes. I played Big Brother All Stars with Daniel Reyes 20 years ago and she, she is one of the few players that I am terrified of. When I played on Big Brother with her, I went right at her and had to get rid of her quickly because she is an absolute force. I am so happy to see her back on the Traders. I do not know what happens on that show. I have no idea. But I will tell you this. If you're playing against Daniel Reyes, get ready to get kicked in the ass because she is a phenomenal, phenomenal player. So yes, I'm keeping up with it. I love the concept. I love the, you know, the concept of people call it Murder Game or Wolf Game or whatever it is. Wolf man game. But I my if you. If I had to bet and I had to gamble, I will pick Daniel Reyes every day of the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Week. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. If I want. If I went on a show, Rob, if I went on Traders this season and Daniel Reyes was there, I would have just.

[Rob Cesternino]

Left. Just leave. Just leave. You know, because I, you know, I have such a hard Time of like, I go on social media and people say, like, okay, this is, you know, late stage, end times. We're doomed. But then on the other hand, I look, I see like, hold on, it's 2025, and Dr. Will Kirby and Daniel Reyes are on my television playing as active players.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

On.

[Rob Cesternino]

On. On TV.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Shows. I love it. I love it. And also, there's another big make sense. Brittany is on that show. And also the. Rachel is on the Food Show. Frankie Grande is on the food Network. Heroes vs Vil. The golden age of reality. Rob, I'm putting it out in the universe. Dealer. No deal. Island Traders, the Amazing Race, Big Brother. Would you go on Big.

[Rob Cesternino]

Brother? I. I would. I would.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Put Rob on. I will have to caution you. Big Brother is a whole other level of. It's just a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Different. Yeah, well, you know.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

What? Please, please, can we get Rob on the show? And Rob, if you go on a show for free, I will cover your podcast while.

[Rob Cesternino]

You'Re. Oh, please. Okay, that. Just for. Just for that, just for that, I'll go. Just put me into, like, sequester. I don't even have to actually compete on the show. But, Will, you know, I was thinking about as I was getting ready to do this interview, you know, and I thought about, you know, you were such a big influence on me in my. I don't want to say as a young person, but in my younger days, and I think it was more so from watching you on the live feeds, more so than the actual television show, which was wonderful. But I feel like that those times, getting to watch you on the live feeds, you were saying, I'm going to entertain these.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

People. I'm going.

[Rob Cesternino]

To. I'm going to give them a show. I don't think that people on the live feeds, and maybe they frown against this. I don't think people on the live feeds try to entertain the audience at home in the way that I felt like that you tried.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. Thank you so much for your kind words. I love that you recognize that. Just from the bottom of my heart, I really appreciate that. Again, to me, this is entertainment. I'm the biggest television fan you've ever seen, ever since I was a child. And, you know, it is my dream and my privilege and my honor to entertain people on tv and the new era of players, they're affected. You know what I mean? Again, this goes to my thoughts on social media. I think it has really affected them. And we've lost some of this, you know, hard scrabble, slobber knocker, Just like hard work that you have to do to entertain people. And again, it's a little bit like professional wrestling or even like punk rock music. It's like you don't have. You should either hate it the person or you should love the person. But what you don't want to do is be in the middle where the person doesn't mean anything and it's just boring. And to me, this day and age, you have, it's, it's almost too specialized. You have contestants who are really good looking or who are really athletic or her really, you know, funny or her really volatile. But to have somebody, and I'm going to flatter you again, someone who can evolve and change and shapeshift and, and go to the go and just really excel in any forum, that's what I find most interesting. And with Big Brother, I didn't really realize this going in. I was very naive. There was nothing to compare it to. I didn't realize how much downtime there was going to be. And so I recognized pretty quickly that I better entertain everyone else. And the only way I can do that is to entertain myself. So if I can make myself laugh, I know someone else out there is laughing.

[Rob Cesternino]

Too. Yeah, well, you talked about how that you were the biggest TV fan. And this is something also that does not compute to me because I feel like, you know, the people that I know, the other people I know that are big TV fans and, and if any of us listening, I, I mean this with love and respect. Some of these people, you know, there are reasons why they turn to the television instead of interaction with other human beings. Maybe that they just were shunned by society. But when I imagine you as a young person, I imagine that you probably, you know, had a lot of different opportunities to interact with other human beings. How could you know so much about.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Television? Yeah. Well, again, thank you so much. You're so flattering, Robin. I appreciate it. I'll tell you a story. It's actually not that interesting. You know, when I was in elementary school, I really wasn't doing very well. I was causing, I would have a lot of fist fights. I was causing a lot of problems. I was, even as an elementary student, I was skipping school, I was getting bad grades and my parents, you know, were really frustrating with me and they said, you know, like, look, we're willing to negotiate. We don't know what else to do. We've tried everything. And I said, you know, I just want. This is pretty unreasonable. But I was like, look, I. They were like, what can we do to, you know, your behavior? We're gonna work on that with you and your grades. You know, we know you're very smart. What will it take for you to get all good grades? And without even thinking, I was like, I want to watch TV whenever I want. I want to take all my meals in front of the tv. And I just love television. And my parents were like, look, we don't know what else to do. Do whatever you want, but you got to get great, great grades. And I said, if I get all A's, you'll let me do pretty much whatever I want. And they were like, we don't know what else to do. So I just spent a lot of time watching tv, and I love tv and I love. Listen, I came from a different era. I love the Love Boat and the Dukes of Hazzard and the A team and I Dream of Jeannie and, you know, and the, I mean, the, the funniest comedy you'll ever see in your entire life is the Three Stooges. And people today don't even know what the Three Stooges are. I mean, it's such a crime. The Little Rascals. I mean, I have watched hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of hours of television in my lifetime. And if you look at, if you look at someone like Malcolm Gladwell, you know, he said, I think it was the 10,000 hour rule, if I recall. And it's like, if you do something for 10,000 hours, you'll become an expert. Now, what's funny is Malcolm Gladwell, he's a little bit of a charlatan. He actually took.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Yeah. Was that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Debunked? What? Well, no, not only has it been debunked, but he actually borrowed that concept from a professor at Florida State University by the names of Anders Ericsson and Anders erickson. It isn't 10,000 hours of doing something, it's 10,000 hours with active feedback every single one of those hours. So if I gave you a flute right now, Rob, and I gave you 10,000 hours, at the end of 10,000 hours, you're not going to be better at playing the flute. But if I give you that flute and have a floutest and the world's best orchestra with you and all these other people at 10,000 into 10,000 hours, you're going to be phenomenal. So my point here is that, and this is no different than medicine, dermatology, anything in life. It's not putting more time into the project, it's putting time into the project and taking active feedback from others. So when I was the host of my, you know, in my middle school, I created the daily announcements where I would read the announcements to the entire school every single day. And I sucked. And I would go into class after reading them and people would boo. And, you know, then in high school, I was the host of the talent show every year, and I sucked. People wouldn't laugh. And this is going to digress for a second, but then I'll get to my point. You know, I'm very analytical person. I'm very data driven as a scientist. When I was in high school, when I was in 10th grade, I said, you know, I really want to be funny. I really want to be entertaining. And I said, where are the funniest people in the world that I can access here in Tallahassee, Florida? Because we didn't have comedy clubs. You know, we didn't. I didn't have access to those things. And I. I realized. I realized I was pretty funny. And I realized the funniest people that I knew, all the funniest kids that I knew, had to go to summer school because they were failing out of school and they were fucking hilarious. So I purposely enrolled in summer school and I went to summer school for no other reason than to learn the art of comedy from the really bad kids at the school. And I'm telling you, the kids at my high school, summer school, it was a. It was a summer school where they brought in multiple kids, all the. All the worst kids from all the high schools who couldn't pay attention in class because they were hilarious. Rob, I'm telling you, I would show up up early every day, and I would leave late every day, and I would cry the whole day because it was so. I mean, we would literally pee on ourselves a couple times a week because of how funny it was. And the teachers would get frustrated and they would laugh. These are the funniest people on earth. And we know that tragedy and comedy are not that far off. These are disturbed kids. They had a lot of family problems, and they were so unbelievably funny. But what I recognized is, yes, what you're saying is television can be a coping mechanism. Mechanism. It can be a way to sort of fill a void in your body. No different than comedy, no different than alcohol, no different than cupcakes, no different than pizza, Abby. Or flowers or anything. It can fill these holes. But it comes down to whether you're just passively filling that hole or where. Or where you're going to actually Recognize that you only get one shot at life. And if you dig deep, which is incredibly painful, and you go outside of your comfort zone and you do things that you don't feel comfortable with for yourself, to make yourself laugh, to challenge yourself, ultimately, that's going to result in really positive aspects in everything else in your life. So, again, you've heard me say it many times. I want everyone listening to apply for a show. You don't even have to get on the show. You don't have to do well on the show, but just the act of doing that is going to make you recognize that you can do things you never thought you were capable of. What would you do if you knew you wouldn't fail? And it's a cliche, but, like, think about it. You can do so many millions of things. There was a little guest appearance from Cash Kirby. He's going to his basketball.

[Rob Cesternino]

Game. Oh, he can't see. I thought you were. You're like, motioning to people inside the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Library. I'm talking to Rob. It's the best podcast in the world. Can you say hi to Rob and Abby? She got flowers.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yesterday. What's up.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Cash? Tell mom to take you. Okay. Good luck, buddy. I'll be there. I won't be there. But anyway, Rob, look, what's more important? Me spending quality time with my child, watching him develop his basketball skills, or talking to reality.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fans? How many times have you seen him play.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Basketball? Yeah, no, we're going to talk about. I've been waiting 10 years to get on this podcast. So 9pm Tuesday night, NBC. It's a phenomenal show, and you can be on it. Apply for these shows. I'm telling you, someone listening right now, in 10 years, much in the same way you said you were inspired. Rob, they're going to say, you know what? I was listening to your. Your podcast, and that jackass Dr. Will was spouting off, and a bear came in to promote his bear strip club. It was weird, but I went on the show because of you, Rob, and I love it, and it changed my life. And that's everyone listening.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. You know, but we might not be here today if it wasn't for you. Have you thought about that? Have you thought about.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That? Well, I mean, Big Brother wouldn't exist today, but it wasn't just me. I mean, I got lucky on the show, but it's also. It's the other characters. You know, Big Brother 2 had the most phenomenal cast you've ever seen. Monica. I'm really close friends with Monica. Today I'll go to New York and I'll see her. She works at Radio City Music Hall. These people were beasts. Hardy. But I mean, look at. I mean, incredibly good looking, incredibly athletic, completely jacked. It was a whole other level back then. And so, yeah, the cast. The cast was absolutely incredible. And I will tell you, Rob, I've never had goosebumps from Big Brother 2 until I went on Dondi. That every single. The reason the show was so great. And please bear with the show. It gets better. Anyone on the show could have won it. Dixon, Phenomenal. Seychelles. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. MG David, poverty. I mean, rock all of these Storm. Every single person. Philip. Philip is going to be on 100 shows. Even Sydney. Every one of these people, larger than life character, unbelievably fascinating, shockingly intelligent, unbelievably athletic. I'm telling you, this is a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Dreamcast. Well, can I also do some show and tell with.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes. Okay. All right. That. Okay. I hope that you enjoy this. Okay. This is something that I have in my possession. This was given to me by a fan some years ago and I don't know what to do with it because it's. It's rather cumbersome. It's rather cumbersome. And it has no. It has no. I guess I could hang it on like with a nail or.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Something.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. I have a signed cast photo of Big Brother, the Entire Big Brother 2 cast. And I want to share with you my fate, my favorite thing about this. Besides. Okay. Besides. Okay. Dr. Evil, will you kind of drop that? Dr. Evil. It was like, you know, it was.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Barely. But it caught on. But yeah, it's not great. That's not great for.

[Rob Cesternino]

Pr. I like that movie. But, you know. Okay, so I have a. I'm one of the few people with. With a Justin forget his last name autograph. And it says here I'm the guy that effed this mother effer.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Out. Oh, he was. He was. I love Justin just for.

[Rob Cesternino]

This. And he wrote the. He wrote the. He wrote. He wrote the F U C K E D. But then on this mother F. I don't know if he was running out of room like.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. He didn't want to insult anybody by using it twice. Let me tell you something. On Big Brother 2 that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Doesn'T. Comedy writing. You don't. You don't use the same word.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Twice. Right? Exactly. The. On Big Brother 2, for those of you who don't know, back in 2001, Justin was removed from the show. Again, this is not. I don't know why I'm smiling. This is not good. He held a knife to his. The throat of his showmance. You go online and watch it. And so he was removed from the show and he was in my. He was in my original alliance. And then I woke up one day gone, and I was like, I'm in a lot of trouble here because does anyone know? We just woke up and the guy wasn't there. We're like, does anyone know where he went? And they just said, he's been removed. And I was like, oh, crap. The main guy in my two person alliance has been removed. I better pivot. I better do a Rob Sustenino and evolve real fast and so real quick. He got kicked out. He's had a lot of legal trouble since then. I don't know.

[Rob Cesternino]

Where. I don't know. I haven't heard anything about what he's up.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. He was one of the funniest dudes I've ever met. I love the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Guy. He went to summer.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

School. He definitely did. If you ever want to go find comedy, go to summer school. Why, Justin, you should, you know what you. I mean, I don't want to tell you how to do your job, Rob, but you know what would be fascinating if you did like kind of an American Idol. But for comedians in high school, at summer school, go to any summer school, it's the. They are the funniest kids in America. They're not going to be able to make it on their own because they're socioeconomic conditions because of other, you know, mental health issues. Just. But if they had the right.

[Rob Cesternino]

Men, this might be their only way.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Out. I'm telling you, it's. They're the funniest people in the world. And why wouldn't they.

[Rob Cesternino]

Be? Yeah. Okay, I want to go back to the wheel. Okay. Well, you know, this one, we might, we might just skip this one. It's the benefits and detriments of social media. And I kind of feel like we covered it. Yeah, so, yeah, we covered.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. I mean, here's the thing. If you're fine, put a timer on your phone. You know, you can put like a timer on kids phones. You can put a timer on your own phone. Phone. Put a timer for 30 minutes on your social media. And if your timer clicks, be an adult and just turn off your social media. It's terribly addictive. I'm addictive too. Addicted to it, too. I love reptiles. Like, I don't. I'm not addicted to alcohol. I'm not addicted to drugs. I Don't do anything. I don't even drink coffee. But I love turtles. And I will go on Instagram and look at turtles for three or four hours. So I have to remind myself to not do it because you get that little dopamine hit. There's a real chemical reason in your brain why it feels good should. And you got to cut that off and go cold.

[Rob Cesternino]

Turkey. What kind of turtles do you look at for three hours? Just all different ones. Like it was like a live stream of a fish.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tank. I have a gorgeous fish tank. Sternothernus odoratus, the common eastern musk turtle is my favorite. I don't know why, I just like them. I'm big into bicephalid turtles, which are rare. Two headed turtles. And yes, I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Just. What's funny, famously that, you know your interview with Sharon that you did, was it last year? Adam and Sharon.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Thorpe? Yes. I love Sharon Tharp. Have you ever had her on as a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Guest? Yeah, she's been on as a collaborator. She's actually gonna be an interview with her on the podcast networks this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Week. Oh, she's great. I love Sharon Tharp. She's great. Watch her podcast too. Just across promote here. She's a great podcast. Really sweet person. So anyway, yeah, I love so any that's just. And I love. I have rare dogs. Like I just, you know, like I have weird hobbies and. But again, the way that I. I think a lot of people develop hobbies because they think they're going to be cool to their friends or family. And I pick my hobbies about what I think is cool and then I make it cool to me. And if you don't like it, that's fine. You know, it's just great. It's just kind of. I come from a long line of cowards. So like, I'm not gonna go do jiu jitsu and get sweaty and dislocate my shoulders. That's not what I'm gonna do. But I'll look at puppies all.

[Rob Cesternino]

Day. How many pets do you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Have? Well, right now I have a party yorkie, a beaver Yorkie, and then a regular Yorkie. So I really am into pie baldism and Warden Warenberger syndrome. And. And dogs, it's. Those are dermatological conditions that occur in humans, but then they show up in dogs as well. You want to see my.

[Rob Cesternino]

Dog?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sure. Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sure. Shout out to the dogs at the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Crib. Big Lou. Here he.

[Rob Cesternino]

Is. Okay. All right. Will has disappeared.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. A very rare dog here. Yes, this is Big Lou. Oh, Mary Disappeared. He can disappear. That's why he's so rare. He's incredible is. He's six pounds. Yeah. And he has piebaldism. So he's a Yorkie, but he has white splotches. And it's not albinism, and it's not vitiligo. It's called piebaldism. So he has. If you look in his little mouth, I don't know if you can see this. He has a little spotted tongue, and he's got a little spotted belly. Sorry for showing his dog penis on.

[Rob Cesternino]

Camera. That's okay. It's. It's in and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Out. Yeah. And also, dog penis is like. That's not his fault. He's not, like, trying to, like, solicit underage.

[Rob Cesternino]

Dogs. Yeah. Nobody, like, flag the video on YouTube. Yeah. Guys, come.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

On. Just dog penis. And also, he has been fixed so we don't have to see his testimony. Anyway, he's an awesome dog. They're unbelievably smart. They're very small. Oh, look who's here. Come here. This is my Yorkie. She's two.

[Rob Cesternino]

Pounds.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Millie. She's wonderful. Okay. That's it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. And they all get.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Along. Oh, they love each other. I mean, the. They're pack animals. So you just had to. To do well with dogs, you just have to set the stage of the pack. So. So you're the pack leader. I'm not a dog trainer by any stretch, but, like, my dogs are very well behaved and very.

[Rob Cesternino]

Loving. Yeah. And then. So those are the dogs that. Yeah. I know you love turtles. You have any other.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Reptiles? No, I don't really like other reptiles. I mean, I. I'm, like, fascinated by snakes and lizards and salamanders and things like that. But it. For me, whatever reason. What. What, you know, my kink is the turtles. It's just what I like. I don't know why I always have, like. There's pictures of me as a little kid with turtles. I just like.

[Rob Cesternino]

Turtles. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. Insects, too. I'm pretty interested in insects. Again, if you have hobbies that are weird to me or to rob, that's fine, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. So let your freak flag fly high. And there is somebody out there. You think that, like, you're alone in this world, go to the turtle forums. There are some real weirdos out there. You think I'm a turtle weirdo? I mean, there's. I have. I have. I've developed friends with turtle people who've multiple been arrested for, like, turtle Smuggling. I don't agree with that. I don't do that. I would never do that. But, like, when you get into it, any hobby, no matter what it is, people do get sucked in too.

[Rob Cesternino]

Far. Where are they smuggling? They're smuggling the turtles into the United.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

States. No, it's not. It's even. It's even just continental, like. Like Louisiana to Oklahoma, things like that. I mean, there is a lot.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cross state lines with certain turtles, and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Especially in excess of amounts, because they could have been. They could. Could cause problems within that own that ecosystem. But there is a big problem with smuggling turtles out of the country, too, because, like the. For instance, the eastern box turtle is such a gorgeous turtle. They have these bright splotches of orange on their shell and on their face. And in Asia, they're, you know, they're pets and they're great pets, but they really are. They don't have them there. So needless to say, they'll pay top dollar. And so, you know, if you. If you don't have a great socioeconomic situation and you're in a rural area, you can just pick up box turtles and sell them in China for a lot. So it's unl. But it does happen, and I'm very much against.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Could the banker entice you with any amount of money to sell one of your.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Pets? No. So, you know, like Rob, I'm very, very fortunate because I've gotten to the point in my life where I'm well off financially, but I have never been money driven. I mean, I've joked about it, and of course I want to be very, very comfortable. But to me, true wealth is having an interesting life. And I have. I. I have a really fascinating life. I have good family and friends. That doesn't say I don't at my kids and don't argue with my old lady and stuff, but I have an extremely wealthy life because of the experiences I've built. And again, they say the worst part of being poor is that it takes up all your time. That's kind of a joke. But once you become older and mature, you realize that time is your most valuable asset. So I'm 52. I probably have hopefully 30 good years left. That's only 30 spring breaks. That's 30 summers. You know what I mean? So I could work myself to death and make more money, and I easily could do that. But then what would I buy? I would buy more dogs and turtles. Right? But then you just are the crazy guy in the neighborhood. It looks like the. I did a Rod with like, you know, a ton of small dogs. So needless to say, there isn't amount like, like, I love reality television. And of course there are, you know, anything. Anyone will do anything for enough money. But I've luckily reached the point in my life where, like, I feel very comfortable and it's. Nothing is driven by money these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Days. Okay, let's go back to the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wheel. Yeah. Could the banker give you. What's your dream.

[Rob Cesternino]

Job? What's my dream pet dream that's on the wheel. You want to jump to.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That? True. Watch this. It's going to pop.

[Rob Cesternino]

Up. This is astrophysics with a subcategory for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

UFOs.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. But I mean, do you want to skip to dream pets and come and go to.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Whatever. We could do.

[Rob Cesternino]

Both. Yeah. You know, I have one dog. We have a golden doodle. I really. I love. I love the dog. Dog. Dog is good. Dog is very well trained. The dog really, really likes my wife and I. She's a little touch and go on the kids. They're a little. I think she would prefer to be an only child. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, she's great. She's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Great. Again, you'll never. I mean, we don't even deserve dogs. They're so sweet. I will tell you, you, like, my niece has an incredibly dumb dog. People inbreed the dogs and. And you know, they adopt dogs and that, you know, like, the dumb dogs really need to have access to a farm so they could just run around all day and roll around in the dirt, like whatever.

[Rob Cesternino]

Reason. Like a summer school for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dogs. Exactly. We should have summer school for funny.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kids. They're.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Funny. Right next door is summer school for dogs. But like, if you have a. Like sometimes you meet people with a dumb dog and you're like, this is. Is not good. So it takes a lot of work. But, you know, you want that dog to be comfortable. But there is an intelligence quotient. Some dogs are smarter than others. Like giant poodles are really smart, you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. Yeah. Just to circle back to dream pet. Dream pets would be my same exact dog, but then that would not eat my headphones when I leave the wire dangling off the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Desk. So it's okay if the dog nips at the children and bites them on the face. But.

[Rob Cesternino]

Don'T. That's fine. The fine. The children will heal. If you ever go to, like, put a headphone in and it's just a frayed wire because the dog ate.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Them. Right. That's not good.

[Rob Cesternino]

It's. And you can't Yell at them. They. They already did it like two hours ago. They don't know what they.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Did. Right. They don't have a time reference. You know, you know how you'll see like a dachshund, like a long body, but short.

[Rob Cesternino]

Legs. Okay, yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Like. Or a corgi. Right, Like a long body, short. You know what I want? I want long legs, short body. Like a dead giraffe dog. Like a. Yeah, like a baby giraffe. Like a Yorkie body, but then like Great Dane legs. That's what I'm working.

[Rob Cesternino]

On. Can you imagine.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That? Oh, that'd be. Everyone could have one and they would wrap around you like alien Romulus.

[Rob Cesternino]

Incredible. How do you feel about when people get the dog's DNA frozen and then almost like a Jurassic park situation where that. Then they clone the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dog. Right. So that. That is someone who doesn't understand science because genotype and phenotype are completely different. And that's why you have multiple kids. And even though they have the same set of genes and the same parents, they look completely different. So when people say, I'm going to clone my dog and in the future, when we have the technology, I'm going to bring my same dog back, it won't be the same dog. It'll have the same DNA, but it's no more likely to be the same dog than it is the brother or sister of your existing dog today. So a lot of times, this is why we need common sense in politics. People come up with these crazy ideas and then they monetize it and then they sell it and it's like, that's a dumbass idea. You know, it's not how that works. So anyone who has their dog frozen or is considering frozen, their freezing their. Or is trying to save money and just put their dead dog in a Ziploc bag and toss it in their freezer like an Eniglue cooler. It's not going to work. That's not how genetics work. So we have to bring common sense into.

[Rob Cesternino]

Everything. Yeah, okay. And with that, astrophysics was a topic that you submitted. Subsection on UFOs is.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Acceptable. Yeah, you know, I. So I'm positive that we've never been visited by aliens. Keep in mind, UFO stands for, you know, unidentified Flying Object. It doesn't mean that it's alien spacecraft. There is no means by which aliens could have visited Earth. It just that technology doesn't exist in any way, shape or form as we know it. And if they did. Did. Why would they just, you know, it doesn't none of it adds up. Right. Like none of that adds up. But I am fascinated by astrobiology and what they have found not that long ago is that, you know, there's a. There's approximately 100 billion stars in our galaxy, but no one knows how many galaxies there are. There may be a hundred billion galaxies, it may be infinitive number of galaxies, but what they have found is that, and this is relatively recent, every single star has at least one planet around it. Now that's. So we're talking many stars have multiple planets. So we're talking 100 billion stars with well over 100 billion planets in our solar system alone. But astrobiology is now not a new field, but a relatively new field. And it can see the different gases, gaseous components of some of those planets. And there's certain gases that are associated life like methane. So I think the future is going to be, you know, looking at these different planets, planets, finding that Goldilocks planet, really having the astrobiologist dig in deep on it and then really seeing what level of life is available on those planets. So it's just, it's a fascinating time. Elon Musk is wrong. We're not going to Mars. The rate there's no way to counteract the radiation on Mars. Again, this is common sense. You can be as ambitious as you want, but it's completely unrealistic that in the next 5,000 years people will ever be able to spend any time on.

[Rob Cesternino]

Mars. 5,000.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wow. I mean, look, we're gonna send somebody there and cause them incredible physical ailments and then bring them back. But it won't accomplish anything because you're not going to have a livable.

[Rob Cesternino]

Planet.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Nor do I think we necessarily put. Need to put our resources into that. But it is fun to dream. And I am of the belief that there's other creatures and worlds out there. Are they intelligent? We don't know. This may just be luck. Right. Like a reality show. Life might just be pure luck. But you know, I do have a level of confidence that there's more in the universe. Universe. And there's just so much we don't know. We can't even begin to understand what we don't know. It's just fascinating to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me. Okay. A lot to unpack there. Have you ever watched the show for all mankind on Apple tv? Yes, yes. It's an interesting show.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Interesting. What's cool about Apple? Again, I'm a prolific TV.

[Rob Cesternino]

Watcher.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. Not afraid to create shows that don't really go anywhere you know what I mean? Like, I'm watching Silo. I read the book. Originally, season one was okay. Season two is terrible. It feels like I'm working out. Like, I left and power my way through it, but Apple doesn't give a shit. Like, they don't care because they don't care about the ratings. So they're just like, hey, we bought this and here it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Is. Yeah, I sometimes I watched for All Mankind and I feel very special because I feel like that I don't think anybody else is watching this show. And I feel like that they've spent millions and millions of dollars to try to entertain me, you know? So I do. I do appreciate that. But for all those shows, you know, it's not. Not. Deal or no Deal Island. Two nights on NBC, 9:00pm what's the best show.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Rob? Like, what's the best scripted show that you've seen in the last.

[Rob Cesternino]

Year? In the last year? I think that that's hard. I really loved Succession, but I feel like that there hasn't really been a show that a scripted show that's really has. Has gripped.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Me. Wow. I might have to hang up. Just kidding. I'm going to tell you the answer to this.

[Rob Cesternino]

Question. What is.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It? The. I'm gonna give you three. I just wrote them down really quickly. Number one, Penguin on.

[Rob Cesternino]

Max.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Max it is. If you are a superhero fan. It has nothing to do with that. If you are a mob fan. This is a mob show set. Colin Farrell is phenomenal. 10 out of 10. Penguin. Watch it start to finish. It's the Godfather, but in.

[Rob Cesternino]

Gotham.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Number two is Ripley on Netflix. The talented Mr. Ripley. A different version of that. That. Have you heard of.

[Rob Cesternino]

It? No, I heard of the original. Not the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Phenomenal. They put it in black and white, which I absolutely love. But the average viewer is not that smart. And they're not going to watch black and white. Number one reason people watch the Simpsons. Bright colors. That's what. That's what the NPS scores show. That's the way people respond. So it doesn't have to be intelligent. I loved Ripley. 10 out of 10. I'm sure it's going to win some Emmys. I don't know how that works, but please watch Ripley. And then I will tell you a show show that wasn't really in my wheelhouse and one I would have not normally watched, but I became obsessed with it. Is Dahmer the acting? Oh, absolutely crazy. Spoiler alert. He eats a couple people. Okay. Don't kill the messenger. Calm down. I Didn't. I don't recommend cannibalism. I'm not in. Okay. No, I would, I would try it maybe if I was hungry enough. Like, if you're in an.

[Rob Cesternino]

Airport. Oh, not the show.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

The. The actual act of eating another human. But the point is, Dahmer, phenomenal show. No, not dandy. Both are very similar. There's a lot of, like, dark stuff going on. But no, this is Dahmer, and I loved it. I thought it was.

[Rob Cesternino]

Excellent. Yeah. Okay, back to the astrophysics. Now, I know you're a noted sci fi fan. You, you appeared in the book of Boba Fett. I'm surprised that you feel like that, that this type of interstellar travel is.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Impossible. Well, it just, as it stands today with the current physics we have, it's just not even remotely a possibility. That doesn't mean that some, you know, look, the universe is very old. I mean, there may be a civilization that's billions of years, you know, older than us and they have these things figured out. I mean, think about it. We didn't fly until 1907. Yeah, that wasn't that long ago. And do you realize, I mean, you want to hear some crazy facts? George Washington, the first president, the United States, he never even contemplated the existence of dinosaurs because fossils had never been found when he was alive. Can you imagine? Like, we really haven't been in 1908, outside of Africa, gorillas were a rumor. They were a rumor, right? Like, it wasn't even. They didn't even exist. People had heard about them, but, like, no one had ever seen one. Like, it just wasn't. People, like, talked about it. And the British were like, no, it's not a real thing. So, I mean, like, we're not really all that involved. Like, we're not that advanced compared to, you know, given enough time. And the question is, will, you know, will. Will we eventually, you know, will we continue exponential growth into the sciences or will it kind of just flatten out at some point and maybe we've discovered everything we can? I don't really know. But it is conceivable that there will be new harnessing of fusion and fission and different ways to harness energy and transport. But right now, today, I just don't believe it. Have you weighed in on society? May.

[Rob Cesternino]

Have. Yeah. Have you weighed in on the drones? Is that, Is that okay? Can we talk about.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That? Sure. I'm okay with that. You know, I don't really know a lot about it. I mean, it was certainly, you know, discussed in New Jersey. I'VE seen some incredible drone technology. This past New Year's, I was in Hawaii, and I saw a Japanese drone show where they built, like, a dragon out of drones, and it was flying around. You couldn't even. The human mind couldn't even fathom that 100 years ago. But so the technology is pretty crazy. Crazy, I mean, I think is going to revolutionize. Revolutionize everything. And I know we live in a very violent world in terms of wars right now, but, you know, it is conceivable that in the future, it's going to be just like Skynet and Terminator with just the drones fighting, you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know? Mm. Wow. I looked at, you know, like a tweet or two. I feel like that, you know, on the, you know, app formerly known as Twitter, you know, if you go on there, I feel like if you look at, like, a thing for too long, it's like my whole algorithm. I looked at one UFO thing, my whole. My whole timeline for you all UFOs. More like for UFO.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Now. Well, Rob, I don't know if you know this, but on your iPhone, if you ever notice a tiny little orange dot in the upper right hand corner, that means your iPhone's listening to you, listening to your conversations. Yeah. Google it. Even as you're sitting here right now. And you could turn that off. You ever. If you ever, like, talk about bicephalid sternothernus, odorotus turtles to your friend, and next thing you know, your phone, it pops up. It's because your iPhone's listening to. Okay, so you know.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Is that why I just got a notification for Bisexual Bear Gentleman's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Club? Yes, that's right. Paradise City. Yeah, if only. And also, Axl Rose, if you're listening to this, Big Teddy would really like to talk to you about licensing Paradise City, and he'll bring you into the opening act, and you guys can play live for the dancing naked bears. Take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears are. Won't you please take me home? Yeah, you know, what do you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Think, since we're talking about Axl Rose, like, do you think that in a future Dondi season, do you think that we should bring in more celebrities like Claudia Jordan was in the first.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Season? Where is David? Where is David Lee Ross? Why is he. I mean, can you imagine, Rob? Like, I turn on my TV and you're sitting by a fire, and you're like. Like, you know, hey, we got to vote someone out. And the camera pans out and it's you And Diamond Dave just crouched over a goal, and you're like, we got to vote out Jervis and Brennan Swain, and it's David Lee Roth. I mean, where are. He's got, like, a Jack Daniels guitar flying through the air. There's Eddie Van Halen. He died. It's okay. But I mean, like, where are. Like, we need more, like, true celebrities. Hey, what do you think about the Mr. Beast show? Have you been watching.

[Rob Cesternino]

That? Yeah, I've been keeping up with it. I've been watching it with my. Yeah, so I think it's an interesting format in that there is almost no character development on Mr. Beast, where we're six episodes, seven episodes in. It's almost like the antithesis of what we get in other. Like, the reality genre that we know and love is about, okay, meet these characters, hear these 12, 14, 16, 20 people. Get to know them and follow them. This is. We're just, like, blowing stuff up. It's, you know, sort of like a Michael Bay movie of, like, boom, you're gone, you're gone, you're gone. Well, I didn't even know who they.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Were. So do you like it or. No, Just.

[Rob Cesternino]

Straight. I don't love it. I don't love it. There have been, like. There's. I think that there are moments of, like, adrenaline spikes, but I'm like, all right, well, they're.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Gone. Yeah, you know, I. I'm gonna. I'm very opinionated about these things. I agree with you completely. There's no narrative, and there's no character development, and I think that was a fatal flaw with the show. You can put as much money as you want into it, but it doesn't. It doesn't make me feel anything. And if I don't like the characters or hate the characters, then I get nothing out of it. You know, I do have to wonder. This is not to take anything away from Mr. Beast, but, like, if. If you. If you had to start over tomorrow with just a camera and. And zero followers, would it ever happen again? And my guess. And I'm just being honest, I'm really not looking for people to get enraged at me. This is just my own personal opinion. You know, I think a lot of life is being at the right place at the right time certainly was for me, and I don't know if he could ever repeat that again. So, you know, my kids watch it, and I get it, and it's fun and exciting, but they may have given him too much creative liberty and too big of a budget, and he didn't really understand the core of, of storytelling. And the people who are most successful in this space, like yourself, are really good storytellers, whether it's on a podcast or a book or on an island or wherever they can tell a story. And me personally, I just don't feel like a story is being told, blowing stuff up and making people arbitrarily eliminated. It's just not interesting to me. So I think that was a monumental waste of money. I think you and I could have made a better show with $100,000. And I think, I think that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Meeting any network that's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Listening. Yeah, yeah, there you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Go. I was going to say a network and then I'm like, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. Yeah, there you go. But that set the genre back because if YouTube is going to throw, you know, whatever it was, hundreds of, you know, I don't know what the number is at this concept for Amazon. Yeah, such a bad concept. There's a disconnect because that just means there's not enough people involved in the project paying attention. Yeah, just really disappointed. I actually couldn't watch it. It was so boring to me. It's just, it's not fun if it's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Arbitrary. Something that works on YouTube, I don't think necessarily translates to television where, you know, each of those 30 minute episodes on YouTub with a customized thumbnail and name that. Okay, sure, people are going to tune in to that, but to like keep going with the series, I don't know if it's the right, the right format. And I just think about like, I think they spent like $100.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Million. Million. I mean, if you're a YouTube executive, you have to ask yourself, you know, like, you look at the other hosts available these days, you know, is Mr. Beast is. I'm just asking, like, is he, is he really funny? Not really. Is he really charismatic? Not really. Is he really? Does he have like a unique look? No, he's like, looks a lot older than he is. Like, is he.

[Rob Cesternino]

So. Yeah, he's like in his 20s and he's taller than you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Think. Oh, is he.

[Rob Cesternino]

Interesting?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So don't get me wrong, he's done some incredible, incredible stuff. But no, I mean, look, the Beatles are probably the most well known rock band of all time, but if you read their, their biography, a lot of it was luck. You know what I mean? It could have been a different band, it could have been someone else. So. So, you know, I really think he got lucky and that made that's going to make him, you know, a worldwide known figure, but it's really, really, really hard to do it twice. And Mr. Beast Games is not a good.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show. So I feel like that, yeah, his, his luck was, you know, being in the YouTube space at the right time when he had the, you know, he started when he was a high school person like making, I think Minecraft videos. And he had the wherewithal to start making YouTube videos, like, at the right time, and then also the perseverance and the drive to keep doing it. And then he was really positioned in a great spot as YouTube really blew up. And so I think that you're right in terms of like, and I think this might be like also a Malcolm Gladwell thing of like, you know, people like, you know, Bill Gates was. Happened to be growing up like in. At the right time when his family, he. And he was like, rich enough that his family could afford a personal computer and he happened to meet the right people at the, at the right time and go on to have the career that he had. I think about that in my own life where I was a young enough person to have gotten in on the ground floor, like where I was, I was young enough to, you know, you know, be impressionable enough to go and have the time to go, leave and go be like, get obsessed with reality tv, go be on a show. And it was far enough back in the past where I wasn't making crazy stuff on YouTube when I was 20, 21 years old that people could watch and then ultimately ruined my life. Like that technology wasn't there. And then I got in on podcasting at a early enough age where I was able to, if I started today with from zero, like, I couldn't do this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Again. Again, right? It's all, it's all about timing. I agree completely. Can I tell you what I'm really happy that I never experienced? I'm glad that I wasn't involved in the era of online dating or sexting, because online dating, like, what that, how easy would that have been 20 years ago? I'm so glad I never had to deal with that nonsense. It's just a burden. You know, you never really hear people going, you know what? I have a really successful, emotionally healthy relationship that I got from Tinder. It just doesn't exist. You know what I mean? So, like, thank God I missed that. That I'm glad I missed social media and you know, I dabble in it, but not really. But I'm so glad I don't have any of that other nonsense, it's just. It's just mental.

[Rob Cesternino]

Masturbation. It's too much.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Too.

[Rob Cesternino]

Much. Going back to Mr.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Beast. Oh, wait, real quick. You referenced Bill.

[Rob Cesternino]

Gates.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. I know someone who knows Bill Gates, and apparently Bill Gates is a partier. Like, Bill Gates. Like it. It's cool. Apparently, he's cool as hell. So I look at, like, he was like, you know what? I'm a nerd. Like Jeff Bezos. Then get all jacked up on human growth hormone and get it, you know, I love it that those guys were like, look, we used to be nerds. We got the hair transplants. Now we're.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cool. Yeah, he's gonna stay the same.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Way. Yeah, but loves ladies. Okay, but ll. Bg Bill.

[Rob Cesternino]

Gates. Okay. Do you like it when people call Mr. Beast Jimmy? Because I. I find it off.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Putting. Yeah. You know, I don't think. I mean, the funny thing is I. I again, I'm sort of removed from this. I get it. Like, I. You don't have to explain that I'm older and not in touch with this. When I heard his name was Mr. Beast because my kids would watch it on YouTube, I'm like, that guy's name is Mr. Beast. Like, I, I don't. Is that I. Is that irony? Like, is that. Are we making fun of him because he's nerdy? And so they gave him, like, this name. Like, you know, like, if I called myself, like, Optimus prime or like War Machine or something, you'd be like, wait, that's a nerdy doctor. Why is he doing that? But it was. It's not ironic. Like, for some reason. And he, you know, he calls himself Mr. Beast, and it's like, wait, what? Who? Okay, like, who? Okay, this. What world do we live in that this creepy older looking guy is giving himself this name? I don't get it. I just don't get it. I don't get it. So I don't care what people call. It's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fine. Okay, all right. Let me spin the wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. All right. Talked about Beast games. Dondi, Tuesday nights.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

NBC.

[Rob Cesternino]

See? Okay, number 17. Is raising canes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Overrated? I don't want to hear any more about this. My kids are all. Every day, they're like, dad, you don't feed us. Can we go to raising canes? I'm like, dirt. Fresh fruit and protein and healthy things in the fridge. I will take you somewhere healthy. I'll take you to sushi. Raising canes. I'm saying it right now, and I hope there's not Any crazy people out there? Have you eaten a raisin.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cane? Well, Will, this is going to be a little awkward, but I have to stop for thank one of our sponsors. This episode of the podcast is sponsored by Raising Canes. Hey, come on. Are your kids tired of sushi? You're gonna love raising canes. 20% off your next order at Raising Canes use promo code Rhap.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. I just think it's overrated. You go there and there's lines out the door and I'm like, again, where's the common sense? This is why I should be apologizing, politician. Where's the common sense? These are chicken wings. I mean, chicken fingers. That's all they are. That's all we are. And they're okay. Yeah. But they're not that great. So it's just highly overrated. It bothers me and I don't think Chick Fil a is much better. Wider.

[Rob Cesternino]

Variety. You know the line here for the drive through at Chick Fil A and I. So I'm in Raleigh, North.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Carolina. Oh, hell yeah. That's where MERS is located.

[Rob Cesternino]

Did. Okay. Like, like, like, like the flesh eating.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bacteria. No, no, no. Not, not, not. MERS is a aesthetic pharmaceutical manufacturer. They make z.

[Rob Cesternino]

Ok, yes. Okay. But yeah, we have Chick Fil A and the, the line for the drive through is beloved for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Blocks. But Chick Fil a is far superior to raising canes. Do you have raising.

[Rob Cesternino]

Canes? You know, I don't see. We have a lot of. We have like Zaxby's and like, I feel like we have Bojangles and so many different. Yeah, but I don't know if we have a Raising.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Canes. You guys have Cracker.

[Rob Cesternino]

Barrel?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. What's funny is like when you're young, you just eat. You love to eat that stuff. And then when you get older, you're like, I'm gonna die if I eat this greasy biscuit, I'm gonna die. So your palate tastes t changes over time. But I do like Cracker.

[Rob Cesternino]

Barrel. Okay. Raising canes overrated. What was the raising canes refer.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To? Oh, his dog. His dog is named Kane and he raised his cane. And the guy came from Louisiana State University and he had a business case and he gave it and the school didn't like it, so he opened it. It's worth $9 billion.

[Rob Cesternino]

Today.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wow. I'm an entrepreneur. I give credit where credit is due. I think it's a phenomenal, you know, business because it's so simple. It's literally bread, coleslaw, fries, and chicken fingers.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Texas toast. I. I did a lot of research here. I. I looked up some of the menu items at Raising.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Canes. Yeah, there's four items. Right. So I just, personally, I just find it overrated. Please don't go to my Instagram and, like, just eat it. If you like Raising Canes, just eat it. You don't have to tell me it's good. I just personally don't like it. That's fine. I don't care if you like it. Good for you. You and the dog.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rip. Okay, no need to bully Dr. Will. He doesn't believe in it, but.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You know, I mean, I believe it exists. Like, I believe I want to believe aliens exist. I believe raising can.

[Rob Cesternino]

Exist. I believe in.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. I just don't believe it's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Good. What if, though, raising Cane's social media account really, like, took exception to you and like, like, then said, like, hey, at Dr. Will Kirby, like, like, go f.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yourself. I would be. I would be honored if they did.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. But you like it when brands pick.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Fights. That brands have never picked fights with me. Seth Rogen picked a fight with me one time. If you go to my Twitter.

[Rob Cesternino]

You.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Why? But why? Because I said that this is the end is not a good movie. It's actually a great story. So what happened is I tweeted out, I said, this is the end is not a good movie. You owe me $10. And I sent it out to Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, and Evan Goldberg. Just into the Twitter universe first. So Evan Goldberg wrote back, and he goes, too bad. We have your money, haha. And I wrote, too bad I used your mom's credit card, haha. And he wrote. And then I wrote, you might not recognize her when you get home because I shaved her back. Haha. So then Seth Rogen said. He started. He goes, hey, I looked you up, and I'm going to tell the medical board to discipline your license. And I go, cool. When you call them him, make sure you know that you're seth Rogen from 40 Year Old Virgin and not Seth Rogen from the Green Hornet so that they know who you are. And then I'm just the wrong person to do that with. So then Evan Goldberg, Jonah Hill, and Seth Rogen started texting me. And then Tyler, the creator of all people, got in, and you can look this up. He said, Dr. Will Kirby, you're a piece of. He doesn't know who I am. He was just backing up Seth.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rogen.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? But it was fascinating because. Because friends of mine who are famous from all over the country are like, is this a joke? Like, are you guys promoting something? And I'm like, no. Seth Rogen's just annoyed that he made a bad movie and I called him out on it. It's not a good movie. So again, common sense. When you have common sense, everyone gets angry. I don't like raising canes. That's common sense. I don't like, you know, the Beast Games. That's common sense. I don't like this is the End. That doesn't mean that I don't like Observe and Report or I don't. I love Superbad. I love that movie. But it just means I didn't love this is the End. That's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Now, I don't remember this is the End being a good movie either, but I looked it up on Rotten Tomatoes and it has a pretty balmy like, B A L M not B O m B rating, 82% on the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tomatometer. Everyone's high where they're watching it. People don't appreciate real comedies like Stripes. If you watch Stripes or Caddyshack. That's comedy. You know what I mean? That's funny. If you watch, you know, this is the end, you'll never watch it twice. It's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Overrated. Yeah, okay. This is the end. 71 on the popcorn meter. Have you ever rated anything on Rotten.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tomatoes? No, I do. Would never do that. I mean, I'm familiar with it. I, I've utilized it, but it's, you know, again.

[Rob Cesternino]

It'S.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. I'm so narcissistic. I think my opinion matters to me the most. So I don't really care. I mean, it's helpful so that you could prove things, but I don't care. If someone else likes something, I will like.

[Rob Cesternino]

Something. It should there be a Rotten Tomatoes for reality TV personalities where then.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There'S like a critics.

[Rob Cesternino]

Score? Yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Definitely. Yeah, definitely. I mean, again, it's okay to participate in reality TV and it's okay to have fun with it, but if it becomes to the point where people are laughing at you, it just becomes. It's just kind of cruel. You know what I mean? It's sad and. Sorry, let me close this door and you see that again. We're starting to see that happen. I mean, people are going on, they're foregoing careers, you know what I mean? Like, they're spending 10 years going on shows and you can't make that much money on them. And then you have now wasted your, you know, 25 to 35 year old age because you became obsessed, like with redeeming your legacy, which is ridiculous. So I just think, I think that there's too many people trying to go on back on shows over and over and over and it's okay to just let it go. It really.

[Rob Cesternino]

Is. Now you've seen it all, okay? You came in and you started this thing and now here you are and you're on a show with people who are on reality TV for the first time. And, and you know, you're watching this whole like the, the Big Brother franchise and all these people that. How do you feel like the contestants that play today are different from the people who played back in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Beginning? You know, I referenced this before. Unfortunately, what we're seeing is contestants today who are affected and affected with an A, like they, they just are. So whether it's subliminal or overt hurt, they're so concerned with how they're going to be perceived by, by their peers because of the influx of social media that they're terrified to do anything interesting. And, and that's really sad to me. It's just really, really sad. Like I, I would rather watch a show where someone tries their best and fails and is interesting, then goes to the end and win and is boring. And unfortunately, that's what we're seeing. We're seeing people who are, you know, just not that interesting lasting a really long time on some shows these days. And that, that dish, it makes me, you know, it makes me kind of understand why I left the genre for so long is because I'm so nostalgic about the old days and maybe I over romanticize them, but I just truly believe that reality TV used to be more raw and more pure and more interesting. And we, you know, generally speaking, we've lost a little bit of that. I am very biased here and I'll tell you, on Dondi, anyone could have won the show and that's what I love. If you watch Big Brother as soon as the show starts yards, there's like four people where you're like, they're never going to win. They're just not going to. Like, they're not. And they never do. They get out, you know, in the first half. And that's just not interesting to me. On Dealer no Deal island, anyone playing could have won. Everyone came in play, everyone was interesting. It's just a great, great.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cast. Tuesday nights, NBC 9pm do you think that it is changing back in anyways? Are you seeing any signs that maybe it is going back to how it might have been in Any way.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ways. I hope so. I mean, I hope what we're seeing with. With Traders this season or, you know, Traders did a phenomenal casting last season and this season, you know, Dondi did a phenomenal casting. I'm actually going to name drop those people like Allison Kaz, K a look her up on Instagram. One of the most phenomenal casting directors of all time. She cast Dondi this season. My good friend Robin, Cass. K. I'm not their names. Those are really their names. Kaz and Cass. And they cast people. What the. What are the chances of that? Right, Right. That's bizarre. Anyway, she's phenomenal. She's a legend. She's put so many people on so many shows. She does the Bachelor. She does so many shows. But anyway. And follow her on Instagram too. But. But don't use social media. But anyway, those people, they're the original OG casting directors, are still doing a really, really good job. And I'd like to think that the networks are paying more attention and listening to the people who know more these days. And again, that's what happened with Mr. With the Mr. Beast games. The. There weren't. There weren't enough. Enough people involved who truly had the experience and the wisdom to know the history, to know that you have to tell a story without a story. It's just crap blowing up with the story. You get involved with the narrative. You feel something for the person. It makes it much more visceral, much more memorable. It gives you a bigger dopamine boost. It's a better experience.

[Rob Cesternino]

Overall. Okay. Because I could tell you just from Survivor, which is really the show that I watch, the closest that I feel like that when they came back after a year of off from COVID I think they tried to hard launch a lot of things that I feel like that the audience. A lot of twists also. But I think in terms of like the format of the show, like, I think that they really tried to make it much more of like, everybody is a sympathetic figure. Everybody. We're gonna really make sure, like, you know, sometimes you have people that are not that interesting and you don't need to show them. There's a. No, we gotta show everybody. We gotta get everybody's flashbacks to how things are. And in these last couple of years, I think that they've gone back a little bit more. Return to form of like, all right, let's let people be a little bit more cutthroat and do things that are a little bit more.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Unsavory. So, Rob, let me ask you this. I'm just going to put you on the spot and you're going to have to answer. Have you been contacted for Survivor.

[Rob Cesternino]

50?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

No. Will, would you like to be on the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show? I would.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. I'd love to see you on it. I mean, that's going to, you know, they're already hyping it up. I think that's dangerous because they're only what now, 48 or 47?

[Rob Cesternino]

40. They just finished.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

40.

[Rob Cesternino]

47. 48 is going to air in.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

February. Yeah. So, I mean, the problem is they're hyping up 50 so much. People love random numbers. I mean, round numbers. Right. Like, humans love round numbers. So they're hyping up 50 so much it could undermine 48 and 49. But they're saying they're going to bring back legends for 50 and, you know, I would love to see you on that. I. I hope they. Jervis is another person I'd love to see on that. There's so many people. It'll be fascinating to me. I, you know, I watched the one with Yam Yam. I don't really watch it otherwise. That one I'm going to watch just because I'll know some of the people and I'm really excited for that and I really hope you're on it. And cbs, if you're listening, put Rob on that show.

[Rob Cesternino]

Please. Okay, let me go back to the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wheel. Okay, let's go to the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Wheel. Okay, now we have some holes in the wheel. Okay, we're going to move to the next number based off of what comes up, and it's okay. Worst Halloween.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Candy. Oh, Three.

[Rob Cesternino]

Musketeers. I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Know. How dare you? If I get a Three Musketeers, when my kids go trick or treating and they come home with candy. If I get Three Musketeers, I'm going to go to your house and punch the dad in the face. Do not ever, ever give me pennies. Three Musketeers. An.

[Rob Cesternino]

Apple. What about Milky.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Way? No. No.

[Rob Cesternino]

Difference. Right. What's. What is even the difference? One has.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Caramel. But also, Rob, why can't I buy a big giant bag of Halloween candy with only the good candy? I don't need the Milky Way in there. I don't need the Three Musketeers. I don't need.

[Rob Cesternino]

Candy. It must.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Be. Don't ever give me a Tootsie Roll.

[Rob Cesternino]

Never. No. That's only. I don't even think they make any new Tootsie Rolls. I think they're just, just giving out the ones they made in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

70S? Yeah. From the past. So here's the thing again. If I was ever going to be a politician, Common sense. I'm gonna, the first day, first day in the office, I'm gonna meet with all the Halloween candy manufacturers and I'm gonna say, no more three Musketeers, no more Milky Way. Look, I willing negotiate on mounts, okay, I'm willing to negotiate on that. But because a little coconut here and there, especially for white contingent, I'm okay with.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Don'T. Yeah, there, I mean there are, there are. I'm open minded to negotiate. I'm not a monster, Rob. I'm open to negotiations. But there's some Halloween candy I don't want to ever see again in my whole.

[Rob Cesternino]

Life. Do you think once you outlaw three Musketeers, what will be the penalty for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Smuggling? Well, there could be like, I mean there could be like speakeasies and bootleggers, but again, that's going to be.

[Rob Cesternino]

Transient because even bathtub nougat popping up.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

All over the place, jail in the toilet, I mean, even the dumbest person knows it's not a good Halloween candy. I mean, look at how old are your.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kids? They're 9 and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

11. Yeah. So they go trick or treating and let them eat their candy and then at the end of the night see what's at the bottom of the barrel. And that's again how my politics is to going, going to work. It's common sense. What's at the bottom? Yeah, there's one Twizzler that fell the package and it's all sticky. Of course no one's going to eat that. I get that the smarties are in there. Nobody wants those. Don't put those in there. And then ultimately it's three Musketeers and Milky Way and that's at the bottom. And also Milky Way dark chocolate. That's where you get, that's how people get shot. You never hear like if you listen to true crime podcast and they're like someone was murdered and they don't know why. Dark chocolate, Milky.

[Rob Cesternino]

Way. Okay, now are you anti dark chocolate in.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

General? I'm not a big fan of dark chocolate. I will always choose milk of the two. But, but so I'm not, I'm like, I'm not like a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Chocolatist. But, but what about as a physician? Aren't there a lot of health benefits to dark.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Chocolate? You know what, I think that's a little bit like the wine industry. Whereas, like, the worst thing that anyone ever did in the history of health care is say that a glass of red wine is healthy. Healthy. It's just not. There's just no evidence saying that. Turns out the wine manufacturers love that, but it's just not true. So people say, well, if one glass of red wine's good, a bottle must be great. I'm gonna go.

[Rob Cesternino]

Forever. There's no antioxidants in my dark chocolate three.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Musketeers. That's a. That's a. Again, that's a misnomer. I mean, that's. I mean, what it. What is nugget? I'm pretty sure nougat is radioactive. When we talk about the Mars. When, you know, when eventually people.

[Rob Cesternino]

Do go to Mars, what's in a hot.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dog? Dog. Yeah, they're gonna. It's a hot dog is just a dead gorilla that dies at the LA Zoo. They just grind it up and stick it in a hot dog. Those and. And Three Musketeers Dark chocolate will be on the Mars lander and that's what people will.

[Rob Cesternino]

Eat. Okay, all right. Now we got through worst Halloween candy pretty.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Easy. And also, Rob, if you don't like three Musketeers, please don't email me. You can like get in your house. Musketeers, freak. Just don't email.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me. Do you think that the people over at three Musketeers will pick a fight with you on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Twitter? I think you could get assassinated. Because, I mean, clearly this is a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Big. And then raising canes comes in with the steel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Chair. I don't want to mess with those guys. I mean, let me also. Let me also state for the fact I would like the record to show I spend a tremendous amount of money at raising canes because I go there at least two or three times a week for my kids and I let them bring their friends. So raising canes, I'm personally. Again, it's not that I'm not a fan. I just personally think you're a little bit overrated. I'd be happy to consult for free and sold for free. We could talk about desserts. You have none currently. You don't have any diet on non caffeinated beverages. I don't like caffeine and I'm not going to drink a drink with sugar. So canes, could you please bring in diet seven up? That's one of my favorites. No red 40 or red number.

[Rob Cesternino]

Three?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So I just think there's a couple ways they could improve things very quickly. And again, this is common Sense you need to have a non caffeinated diet beverage whenever you're having your fast food food because that you have to hit every core.

[Rob Cesternino]

Demographic. Will, is 7Up still out.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There? I drink Diet 7Up and I really like.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. It still exists though, because I wasn't sure. I know there's Sprite and then there's always one that they're changing. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. I like lemon lime.

[Rob Cesternino]

Did. Did Starry used to be Sierra.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mist? Oh, I don't know. You know the only drink you can't order in West Hollywood, Squirt. Don't get that right. Okay, But I am a fan. I do like the drink. But don't go to the don't. Trust me, I learned that the hard way. Don't go to a bar.

[Rob Cesternino]

Squirt. Got it.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

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[Rob Cesternino]

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[Dr. Will Kirby]

Retirement? Well, maybe. Maybe for reality TV maybe. But I just am fascinated by this because some states have no state tax tax. As an example, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, no state tax. But Florida has astronomically high real estate taxes. Same with Texas. So they're going to get you one way or another, right? So. But also Florida, you know, in 30 years, it might be underwater. I love Florida. I used to live in Florida. Florida is where I grew up. But it's very low sea level, right? So, you know, a couple big storms and it might be underwater. 25 years ago, when I lived in Miami, we would have big rain and it would get 12 inches deep in like major metropolitan parts of Miami. So the future is not looking good for Florida. It could be underwater. So, like, is that really where you want to retire? Because Right now, today, it'd be kind of fun if there was a big storm and everyone survived and there was a lot of water. But when I'm 85, I don't really want to have to be that guy on the roof of the house with the dog looking all.

[Rob Cesternino]

Water. With all the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dogs. Yeah. I don't know what. Say.

[Rob Cesternino]

Again? With all the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dogs? With all the dogs. Yeah. I'll have a lot by then and maybe I'll.

[Rob Cesternino]

Use. The turtles will be.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Fine.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fine. But the dogs, also the little.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dogs with the long legs, they'll.

[Rob Cesternino]

Swim. You'll be fine. All right. So where are you thinking? Where's a good place to.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Retire? That's what I'm asking.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob. Arizona. Is it too.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Hot? They don't have any water. Too much.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sun. You don't like the sun.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? A vampire like me is not going to do well.

[Rob Cesternino]

There. I really don't.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Know. I'm asking. I mean, I think like, like the north west has a lot of water, so that should still be good. That area should be good. I don't really know.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. Could.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Be. When are you going to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Retire? I don't know. I mean, I feel like I just. I came all the way. I was in California for 15 years and then my wife and I, we built a house here in North Carolina and then we came out here. I mean, I don't know if I'll live here.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Forever. But you live near. I mean, you, you're lit. That's a great area. I mean, you still get four seasons without it being too cold. You, you guys get lightning bugs. I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Love. Yeah, we get lightning bugs. Yeah. Like June. Yeah, that's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Good. We don't get.

[Rob Cesternino]

Those. We get a Holland season here, which I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Never. True. Yeah, I used to live in Atlanta. That's a big thing. Like when the dogwood trees just like rain.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. All of that. Yeah. That's weird to set up shop here for a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

While. I love Hawaii. But will it be underwater? I don't know. So it's. That's really just an open ended discussion point. I don't really have an answer. You know, if you look at quality of life, you know, the education system, health care system, climate, you know, it's. It's very tough. There's not really a clear answer these days.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And you don't like the cold, Right? I feel like you always have lived warm places.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Yeah. Never. No. I went to Atlanta and that was too cold. That was, you know. I'm not doing.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Yeah. Okay. Are you in the U.S. i guess if you're going to run for office though, I guess you have to like set, set up shop where you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Live. Yeah, I don't, I mean, that is fair. I'm going to, I have to like, Rob, I don't want to mislead you. I don't have this all. I'm not trying to plug, you know, a website where you donate to my political campaign. That's not what I'm saying. You know, my agenda initially is just getting rid of dark chocolate three musketeers, making people have realistic expectations when they go to fast food restaurants. You know, secretly I do like squirt. So if you want to buy that, it's wonderful. I don't own the stock, but I'm not ready for any other big.

[Rob Cesternino]

Announcements. Okay. All right, let's go.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Back. Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. All right. Still a lot of bangers on the wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Oh, we started off slow, but it builds.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob. Yes, yes. Okay. These were in the order that you send. I placed them onto the wheel. Worst childhood memory. Okay, this could get.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Spicy. Yeah. This one, I wanted to go real dark on this one. Just because some of these topics are, are easier than.

[Rob Cesternino]

Others.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. What is yours, Rob? You go ahead and.

[Rob Cesternino]

Start. So you have a couple. I, I, I did, I told you I did a lot of thought on all of the questions. And so I feel like I have overall a pretty tame childhood. All of my worst memories, I think come later in life. So I identified two that I felt like were some of my worst memories. And I really don't want to, you know what a privilege it is for me to not have super traumatic childhood memories. One of them is in Christmas infamous 1987. I really wanted, I was a nine year old lad. I really wanted a toy I saw on television. It was a toy called Mr. Game Show. It was a little bit of like a talking. I don't even really know how it worked. I think there was an audio cassette somehow involved. But he would like a little microphone. Yeah, a little.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Microphone.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. And he would like, host like little fake game shows. And as a game show nut, like, I was like, wow, this guy is going to host game shows for me, for me to play. I really that all I want for Christmas is Mr. Game.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Show.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. And that Christmas morning I woke up and I did not get Mr. Game Show. And I couldn't believe it. I was like, I was stunned. Said this is, but this was all I wanted. Why didn't I get it? And I don't know. And I really started to think about this, I'm like, because I'm not the biggest holiday guy. I'm a little bit like, you know, Christmas, you know, But I wonder, like, did this ruin Christmas for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Me? That was your formative.

[Rob Cesternino]

Years. My formative years, you know, and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Not to go, like, I mean, sorry. Did you clearly communicate to your parents that you wanted.

[Rob Cesternino]

That? Oh, yes, yes. And I didn't understand why, why I didn't get it. And I'm not sure, like, because I don't know at what point. Like, you know, I, I, I got some of the inside information on how this all works at Christmas time that they told me they couldn't find.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. Do you believe.

[Rob Cesternino]

That? I don't know. I mean, it was the 80s. Like, the people. There was a run on these Cabbage Patch Kids. Who.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Knows? Who.

[Rob Cesternino]

Knows? But did they look that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Hard? Beanie Babies were probably big then. Maybe not, not.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yet. Not yet. I think in 1987. And then the other one. And you might appreciate this, look, I don't love clowns either. And my parents had these giant paintings of clowns in the basement. And I would be terrified and I would have nightmares that I was down in the basement and they would, they were chasing me. And then one night we woke up in the middle of the night. I get awoken from my bed with a crash. The giant clown painting has fallen off the wall. Shattered glass, Glass.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Everywhere. Wow. Why did they have that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Painting? I don't.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Know. Do they still have that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Painting? No, it's, I mean that, well, that's broken now. They got rid of it. Also that they had statues, little statues of like Laurel and Hardy that were also, I used to find like statues coming to life were something I was very concerned about. And I would have night nightmares about this little tiny, like foot tall like, like Laurel and Hardy statues especially. Who was the skinny one? Was it, was it Laurel? Laurel, yeah, that one. Like really, those two guys would come to life and chase.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Me. I'm so sorry to hear that. I think you just outlined the plot for it. Three from Sting, Stephen King, but I'm not.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sure. I think you, you referenced clowns eating baby corn. On the most recent episode of of Dondi. Tuesday nights, NBC, 9:00pm Very much against.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Clowns. There's a guy at our farmers market here and he dresses a clown and does blow up balloons. And my kids, when they were younger, they would always try to go over there. I'm like, don't go anywhere near that dude. If you, I mean, if you like, I am pretty sure that 50% of all clowns are serial killers or are, like, in training, you know, like, because why else would you ever pick that as your profession? Just to scare the hell out of people. People. And also, when was the last time a clown made anyone laugh? Right? Like, yeah, see, it's 1940, and we're gonna get on this wooden nickel and we're gonna go see the clowns. The clowns are terrifying. There's nothing good about them. I'm very much against them. If I saw mime, I would also be against that. I'm against a lot of things, Rob. A lot of, like, basic things I don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Like. Well, it's common.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sense. Now, baby corn. I am on the fence because I, I guess I am gonna. Since you brought it up, I'm gonna divulge that I have been in the lab working on the world's tiniest popcorn makers maker. But it only pops baby corn. So what you do is you get a baby corn, you dry it out, then you take off all the little tiny corn, and then you pop it, and then it's the world's tiniest.

[Rob Cesternino]

Snack. That's cute. That's because sometimes you only want just a little bit of popcorn.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? I don't want a whole.

[Rob Cesternino]

Bag. You know, you're gonna get the air popper out for, you know, like, you put, like, 10 kernels in there.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? I mean, if you get the big bag, you're gonna eat the whole bag, right? So, like, because you're gonna, and then you're gonna feel sick. And popcorn, it gets in your teeth. But if it's baby popcorn, it just opens up a whole new world, a whole new food world. Like, there's Japanese food, there's American cuisine, there's French food. You know, we really haven't explored enough baby food. But not baby food that you feed to a baby or baby that or like, eat a baby, not cannibalize a baby. I'm talking about foods that are tiny, tiny, tiny, and then you could eat.

[Rob Cesternino]

Them. Yeah. Well, what do you eat on a given day? Do you mix it up? Do you have a lot of variety? Or do you have, like, like a set meal.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Schedule? Oh, I love this question. So I, I'm a little bit of a freak. I, I, I try to get an adequate amount of protein in every day. So I try to get 100 grams of quality protein in as a minimum every day so I can stay lean. Yeah, you know, each meal, you can eat a meal with 30 grams pretty easily. So it's not that Hard. But, you know, I, I do have a soft spot for junk food. Probably one or two days a week, I'll eat. And I love ice cream. I used to work at Baskin Robbins Ovens. Anyone who knows me knows I likes ice cream. My kids, if we're going somewhere, they'll try to, like, take me down the different path if they see an ice cream shop, because they know I'm gonna go in and then. So that, that really is my, that's my vice. Ice cream is my vice. I am lactose intolerant, so I often will carry lactose pills with.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Oh. If I forget them, I thought they were right there. They're not. If I forget them, it doesn't stop me, Rob. I'll still have a lot of ice cream. Everyone who's nearby, afterwards.

[Rob Cesternino]

Words. Yeah. Okay. It's worth.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. I think. So. I think. What's your, what's your advice like? What's your. Like.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Heroin. Mine is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kai. Yeah, heroin. I, I can, you know, I have a healthy relationship with. I don't over partake. I, I do, I do enjoy ice cream, but I don't go crazy for it. You know, it's just some of these, you know, some of these peanut butter cups, things like that. But I try not to go too hog.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wild. Well, let me put you on the hot seat here, Rob. What's the best major current name brand ice cream.

[Rob Cesternino]

Available? See, I wouldn't even be able to tell you. I don't buy that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Much. McConnell's is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Amazing. McConnell.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Good. They make it ooey gooey brownie something. It's excellent. 10 out of 10. I like salt and straw. I'm a connoisseur. I'm, I'm an ice cream.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aficionado. Salt and straw is a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Brand? Yes. Yeah, they're big. They're in major cities. They're really good. They make a malted chocolate chip, like vanilla fudge swirl. It's really good. I, they every year they allow people to submit their own flavors, and I often submit my own and I never get.

[Rob Cesternino]

Picked.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give.

[Rob Cesternino]

Up. Okay. Okay. Will, did, did you share your worst childhood.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Memory? Oh, no, I haven't, but I will. So I, interestingly enough, I went to kindergarten in Paris. My, My father is a poet and he lived in Europe and. But I don't speak French, so my family wasn't that well to do and they put me in a public school system. I actually have since been, per my psychiatrist suggestion to go to the school and see it. But they put me in a public school system and it was terrifying because I didn't speak one word of the language. So the first day they put me in the regular kindergarten class and I didn't know what the hell was going on. Right? It was. It was terrifying. So I can't even believe they did this. I can't even believe anyone was allowed to do this. But this was the 1980s. The school didn't know what to do with me. And again, it's a public school in a mediocre part of Paris. So they didn't really. They weren't that interested in dealing with the American kid either. So they put me in a. I swear to God this is true. They put me in a class for deaf kids, but the deaf kids could read lips and they could sign. Now, what do. What language do you think they can read? Lips? French. I didn't speak French, so it was just really frustrating. Deaf kids punching me in the face every single day. So I went to school terrorized because they put me in a class as a 5 year old with all ages, up to 13 of deaf kids beating the out of me. And so then I had to just fight kids. One of my. Now, humans don't really develop memories until they're about maybe five years old. And this is very. I find this fascinating. It's culturally dependent in Asian cultures for kind of unknown reasons. People develop memories earlier, maybe four or five. But you'll meet people are like, oh, I remembered this when I was 2. I watched the Aaron Rodgers documentary and he was like, yeah, I remembered something when I was a baby. No, you didn't. It's not possible. You just don't have the wires to do that. That again, this is common sense. But one of my first memories at like five and a half was beating up deaf kids in Paris because they couldn't speak to me and I couldn't speak to them. And I took just a ton of beatings and. And I beat up a lot of kids and it was just terror. It was a horrible, horrible experience. But eventually I learned French and I learned how to punch kids in the face. I learned how to take.

[Rob Cesternino]

Punches. Now. Okay, that's interesting. Have you been in a fight as an.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Adult? No, I am. I come from a long line of draft dodgers. And like, I'm so. I love to talk talk, but I'm so selective. Like, if it's an old lady who took my parking spot, I'm like, get out of my parking spot. But if it's like a big dude with, like, you know, like, I don't know, some sort of jiu jitsu sticker on his car, I'm like, you could take the spot. So, you know, I'm really selective in my.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aggression.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. But I do think that people don't honk enough. Like, I. I'm a big proponent of honking, and you don't hear enough honking these days. And I wish there was different tonation to the honking. Kind of like Cantonese. Like, you could say the same word but with different tone phones. Elon Musk should figure this out. We should have multiple honks on our car. Some of them are really aggressive, and then some of them are like, yeah, it's like. It's like, just please not bother me. And that's kind of what it is. Like, hey, get off your phone and stay your.

[Rob Cesternino]

Lane. Yeah. Is that on the car manufacturers, or is that, like, local and state government politicians.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Again? This is why I have to run for office. This is common sense. Day two, after banning dark chocolate, three musketeers and nougat in general. Girl. Then I will meet with the car manufacturers and I'll say, listen, you need to have at least three options on your honking. And. And that's all there is to it. And it's simple. Press. The harder you mash, the louder and more obnoxious the honk is. So, you know, because, like, then you're gonna need muscle memory to, like, jam it down really hard if someone's cutting you off or gonna hit you. But if it's just someone to bother you, you just push a little bit, and it makes, like, a. Like a goat bleat, you know.

[Rob Cesternino]

Like, okay, let me go and spin again. Okay, fair enough. Here we go. Oh, Will's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Choice. Wow. I was not prepared for this. So this one, Rob is going to go off the rails just a little bit. The I'm. And it's really a question. I'm going to answer the choice. But the question is, what should we do with people who fart in gyms? Okay, I say public execution. There should be. This is not something. There is. We need to go hard on.

[Rob Cesternino]

This. It, like, okay, now has somebody. Can you, like, detect that somebody is farted at the gym? Or somebody is, like, loudly, like, and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Proudly, accidentally or on purpose. They should be public, publicly executed in front of the gym. Because one time I was bench pressing and, like, in the middle of a set and a dude, like, silently farting everywhere and. And it almost, like, caused the Bar to hit my trachea and kill me. And so is like when you're taking a deep breath. No one should be allowed to fart in that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Environment. Now, you don't strike me as a go and work out at a gym person. I would imagine somebody. And you're a person of means. We don't need to dance around that. I would imagine that you would have. Have like quite an extensive exercise set up in, in your own place. But maybe when you're traveling, is.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

This. Yeah, well, when I travel, I mean, this was a while back, but no, I, I have things at home. My neighborhood has gyms. You know, I try to be very fit because you never know when you're going to get the call up to the major.

[Rob Cesternino]

Leagues.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. Like, sure, you're sitting here right now chatting with me, but when this is done, you better go get a big giant blue toothpick and I mean a Q tip and try to fight someone. Because that might be on Survivor 50, right? You don't know. You.

[Rob Cesternino]

Gotta. You don't.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Know. So I try to be. I try to be fit. You like you have to go put the bathtub water in and then jam your own head underneath and try to drown yourself. Because that could happen. They could do that. I don't know. Yeah, so that happened to Yam Yam. So the needless to say, I, I try to stay really fit so I can be prepared at all times when I get the call up to the major leagues. For Dondi, I had like 24 hours notice to get across the world to the island. And so, you know, luckily I was in real, you know, fairly good shape. And you're going to see that this Tuesday at 9pm on NBC. Deal or no Deal island.

[Rob Cesternino]

Too. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. But anyway, I think we should publicly execute people fart in the gym. No exception. No, no, no.

[Rob Cesternino]

Exception. I feel like that that's, I think that is it habeas corpus. Like, I feel like, shouldn't there be like the right to represent themselves? What if somebody else smelt.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It? Who.

[Rob Cesternino]

Didn'T? Who then dealt.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And I've been falsely.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Accused. Yeah. That is fair, Rob. And that's why in my campaign, I'm going to bring in DNA testing for infrared.

[Rob Cesternino]

Camera.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Camera. That would be great too. I'm all for that technology. But we're going to do. We're going to test for DNA farting, which is. We're going to sample the air. We're going to sample the air, you know, near the alleged incident. Near the alleged Far term. Near the alleged far t. And then we're going to DNA track it back. Well, I want to be the Golden State.

[Rob Cesternino]

Killer. You know, I want to be sympathetic to the farter. Okay. I'm at the gym. I have to. I have to. Yeah, I have to go. Leave the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Gym. Gym.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Could there be like a. Like a farting section at the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Gym? Smoking. It's right outside. There's a farting section, a smoking section, and a steroid section. If you want to shoot up, you can go shoot up. Steroids. If you want to fart, go to that area and fart. You can just kind of go in between. Okay, thank.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. That's fair. I wouldn't lead with that. I feel like that. You know, look, I know how the media is, okay? So it's like, oh, Dr. Will Kirby. He's running. He's throwing his hat in. Great. He's gonna. He's got a lot of common sense things. He's getting rid of nougat. Okay, great. Everybody's in. But then when they hear about. Oh, did you hear about. He wants to execute people who fart at the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Gym. Telling you, yeah, that's what you. That's what. That's what you think right now. But you have no idea how many people are for executing farters. It just. You. You have no idea. What's it calling at high. High to quite.

[Rob Cesternino]

High. Higher than this is the end on rotten tomatoes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Potatoes? Much higher than that. I mean, it's like there's a scale. There's an individual scale from this, and it goes from one to two, and it's a solid one right now. Okay, so it could go to two.

[Rob Cesternino]

Anytime. All right. I mean.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You'Re. This isn't a conversation you can have at the Thanksgiving dinner table, but if you have someone that you really trust, maybe your. Your spouse, ask your wife. Just go to her and say, hey, listen, you know, where do you come down on this before. Before any. This is my advice to anyone listening. Before you get in a serious relationship. Relationship, you need to sit down with that person and say, look, do we have the same core values? Do we share the same religious ideas? Do we share the. You know, this. Do we view the economy the same way? And where do you come down on executing people who fart in the gym and. And do not get married unless they are aligned with your.

[Rob Cesternino]

Vision? It could be the kind of thing also that, like, once they go, they pull that curtain closed. Like, they might be 100% for that. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, I don't know about that. That. That's a little. A little out there until they.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Do, and then they get in there and they're like, execute the partners. The world would be so much better off. I mean, there's so many reasons. Environmental reasons, just, you know, relationship reasons, like between friends. It's just a lot of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Reasons. Mm. But as a physician, though, is there any danger in holding it.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

In? You know, they never taught me that in medical school. Maybe I was sick that day. I don't. I probably just missed that portion, but I think it's. Think it's okay to hold it.

[Rob Cesternino]

In? Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. I'm not a gastroenterologist. I'm not really sure. But. But, Rob, I'm not saying don't fart. I'm saying don't fart in the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Gym. At the gym. At the gym. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. And also, Rob, I really don't want people contacting me, telling me that they love farting in the gym. I don't need to hear.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Yeah, please. That's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Private.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. And also, if you're dumb enough to tell me that, then when I am in political office, we are going to round you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Up. You're keeping a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

List? Yeah. And execute you for advocating for.

[Rob Cesternino]

Jim. Now, look at this, look at this. We've hit a big empty space on the wheel, so we go to the next. That's one that's here. Okay. Will wants to know or wants to discuss. If ants are so smart, why do they live in dirt all the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time? You hear people say, answer so smart. Like every. Like any of my friends who study owls, they're like, answer are so smart. Well, why haven't they ever built anything? That's all I'm asking. There's so many things.

[Rob Cesternino]

Available. They make a big.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Hill. I mean, fair enough, but it just washes away when it rains. Sticks, straw. Like, different. Like. I just think that there is an element where we are over valuing the intelligence of ants in particular. Wow, it's really bright in my house all of a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sudden. Yeah. The sun has been trying to laser in on you this whole time.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time. I know. Hold.

[Rob Cesternino]

On. Your arch nemesis, the sun has said, I don't want this to be the longest podcast.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ever. Too bad. It's a marathon. Rob, we're gonna find out who your fans really are. You know, if people listen to this. There we go. If you like, if you listen, if you like. Rob has a podcast and you're a fan. We're gonna find.

[Rob Cesternino]

Out. Okay. All right. Well, we got. We. I think we have to. To just. I'm getting some. Some. Some.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Interference. Oh, you are. Can you hear.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me? No, no, I'm.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. Got it. Sorry. That was a joke. Got.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Yes, yes.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

But. Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

The. The.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ants. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I think ants might be overrated. I love insects. I think ants are fascinating. But, you know, they do spend a tremendous amount of time in dirt. I keep waiting for the next evolutionary jumping ants. Like in California, we have wood ants, and they don't bite you at all. They just come in your house and eat your food. Food. I don't mind them walking around because I love all of nature's creatures. My wife is super pissed that I don't try to kill them. I didn't. They didn't hurt.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And I. I think that what we're seeing here is that you don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Mind if the ants come in your.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

House. No, not at all. Like, I don't have any problem if I'm eating food. They're welcome to have a little bit, but I think.

[Rob Cesternino]

It'S. This might be why they're here.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Maybe. But I think it's a sign that they're starting to evolve and they're trying to, you know, get moving to better places. Yeah, just a lot. I mean, there are evolutionary jumps of which we're not even aware. Right. Like, so this may be one that we've just discovered in. The ants are like, you know what? No more dirt. We're not living in dirt anymore. We're moving into your house. And also, thank you for the little bits of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Food. Yeah. The problem with the ants is, like, an ant. No problem. But then you get, like. You ever see, like, this whole, like, conga line of ants that is like. That's kind of.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Gross. I don't know. I mean, that, to me, that feels like you're being an antist. And so I don't know why you're like. That's pretty, like, antist, if you ask me. And I know that's a whole other thing, but I. I know I'm pro.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aunt.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. If you. Hey, guys, if you're listening to this and you don't like ants, please don't bother. Rob.

[Rob Cesternino]

Please. Okay. Did you see a lot of ants on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dondi? Oh, there was a lot of bugs. I mean, it is hot. It is super, super hot. There's a lot of bugs. Bugs. But, you know, again, bugs don't really bother me that much. I mean, we were bitten a lot because this is a tropical setting. But, no, I have nothing but great things to say about the experience. I just loved it. I mean, the water was crisp and clear. I got extremely sick. And they don't really. They haven't shown that on the show. One of the reasons I was so pale, I mean, I'm pale anyway, but, like, I contracted typhoid, which is endemic salmonella, and I got vaccinated against it the day before. But it takes 14 days for the vaccine to kick in.

[Rob Cesternino]

Again. Oh, my.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

God. Then some water in the shower got in my mouth or maybe brushing my teeth. But when you talk to any of the other cast members on that show, ask them what happened to me. And I was wildly.

[Rob Cesternino]

Wildly. You were playing hurt on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dondi. Things were coming out of holes in my body, Rob, and I don't even know what holes they were coming out.

[Rob Cesternino]

Of.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wow. Yeah, there was. There. There was a. We experienced a mudslide, but that was me. It wasn't like an environmental disaster. It was a personal.

[Rob Cesternino]

Disaster. Oh, my.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

God.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. The answer. The least of the problems at that point. Okay, all right, let me go back to the wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Well. Who are you going to partner with on raw on Survivor 50? Like, I don't want to actually. Like, you don't have to say the name, but, like, do you go in soft or do you go in, like, people are going to know you because they've probably been on your podcast. That's an incredible advantage.

[Rob Cesternino]

Advantage. Yeah, I would think, you know, the way that you have to play it, though, like, you know, could. Could one, you know, capture the magic that Dr. Will had in Big Brother All Stars? Somebody who came back with the biggest target ever on their back and made it was this close to a second.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Win.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sure. Could you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Imagine? I know, I. I get it. But the. So, but, Rob, that you. You're ducking the question here. Do you. So the good thing about Survivor 50 is everyone's going to be a threat. You have a. You actually have a little bit of advantage because it's going to be a really long time since you've played. So some of the more recent players may have vendettas against each.

[Rob Cesternino]

Other.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. So. And you're going to know a lot of these people. So I don't. I don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. I can't think what have I said about them on the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Podcast? Okay, that's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fair. I, like, I might have said something and, like, I don't even remember that I said that. And then. And. And. Or it might have been taken out of Context. And this person's like, you know what? Rob's a real a hole. I can't believe he said. He said. I was just. I would. I had just an okay social game. Oh, that's it. He's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dead. Yeah. That's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fair. Won't it be hilarious that if he. If we make him lose early and then he's a podcast, he's supposed to know everything, and then he loses.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Early? Well, I mean, they're going to have to put some sort of twist in there because, you know, people are going to be there. Boston Rob, like, who's been on a billion shows, if you guys know.

[Rob Cesternino]

He said he's not going to go back for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

50. Come on. Come.

[Rob Cesternino]

On. You know, they just brought a bunch of people back for 40. They've just brought back party and Rob and although they had. They did all winter season for Survivor.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

40. Oh, interesting, interesting. Hey, Rob, can I tell you a story that really disturbed me that you were involved.

[Rob Cesternino]

In?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sure. There was a Big Brother season, and there was a girl named Raven, and at the end of the season, you did. You asked her a question and you said, what was the. What flavor Kool Aid was your favorite? And I don't know what she said, but I found it extremely disturbing because with Jim Jones and that cult, they never drank Kool Aid. It was Flavor Aid. I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Didn'T. I got it.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wrong. But it was. That wasn't. That is a misnomer. It's just not even true. If you read that book, he was feeding them flavor Aid because he was too broke to give them Kool.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aid.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So I don't care about that you insulted Raven. I care that you insulted Kool.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aid. Well, I'm glad you referenced that, because that happens to be, like, one of the highlights of my career. I don't think I've ever done anything maybe this. But, like, prior to this, I think that that's probably like, my most viewed clip on YouTube is when I interviewed Raven, and she had been famously, like, talking about how, you know, that Paul had been, you know, like, getting people to do all the things. And I answered a question about what was the. Like, what was your favorite flavor of Kool Aid that Paul made? And she just, like, went quick like, oh.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Cherry.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Paul was the greatest cook and is great and.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. I love that, though, because 1. What you're really saying is Paul is a cult leader, and I love that concept. And then you're also. I also love her answer because. Because she was ready to rock and roll. She didn't even bat an eye. She called cherry or whatever. I don't remember what it was. But, like, that's also someone who's a great interviewee.

[Rob Cesternino]

Because. And that's how she operates.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? Right. I'm just going to give you an answer no matter what, and we're gonna keep rolling because it wouldn't have been funny if she was like, wait, I don't understand. I don't know who Jim Jones is. The cult. Like, I don't. That wouldn't have been funny. But it was funny because she's like, it. I'm just gonna. You know, I like grape or whatever. It was amazing.

[Rob Cesternino]

Amazing. But, you know, you're talking about me in the Big Brother backyard interviewing the contestants. You know, nobody ever did it better than you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Did. Thank.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. They said you couldn't. That we. Look, this guy is a loose cannon. We can't have him out here on a hot mic.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Anymore. Thank you. If you watch it, I do take a lot of pride in it. I thought it was really funny. I had a lot of. It was really, really interactive, and they can't do that anymore. And, like, no offense to you, Abby, like, I get it that you guys have standards. I didn't violate anyone's standards. I just made it funny. And it's irreverent, and it's controversial and it's. And it should be fun. So we can't have a season where, you know, people are doing these outrageous things and they're half naked and they're arguing, and. And then all of a sudden, we pretend like we're all buttoned up because the season's over. It's okay to have fun. And that's true of all of them. Life. It's not fun to just bully people on the Internet. That's just nerdy. It's fun to have an interactive conversation and provide true comedy. And also, Rob, this is one of the reasons I really appreciate what you do. Being funny is so unbelievably hard. It is a lost art. Being interesting, being a conversationalist, being opinionated, doing anything. It's just so much easier to sit around your house in your underwear these days. And it is so hard. People don't appreciate what you do. It's very difficult.

[Rob Cesternino]

Difficult. I appreciate that. But I think just to go back to you on the red carpet and what made it so compelling, and I think it speaks to, like, the entire concept of reality tv and why I think you really, you know, change the entire paradigm is that the thing about you is that it's always a little bit.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dangerous. We don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. We don't know what you're gonna do. We don't know what you're gonna say. But we gotta. We gotta watch. We gotta say. That's why we gotta tune in. Win. What's Will going to do on Dondi? I don't know. Find out on Tuesday at.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Night. It's so good. It gets really good. Rob, I'll tell you this. I love the art of the unexpected. And not. That's not a Big Brother cliche. It's like if you go to a comedy show, you expect to laugh, and if instead you're incredibly uncomfortable, I gave you something that you didn't know was coming. And that's the same way with the Big Brother backyard interviews or whatever. It should make people at home entertained, but it should also make the person being interviewed kind of like. Like really have to dig deep and question themselves instead of giving just a. A random blanket answer. I was invited to do a different podcast, and I turned it down this earlier today because I knew I wasn't going to get to be myself. And if I did anything, like, creative at all, that they would cut it. And I was just a waste of my time, but it was a waste of their time, too, so you know that. So I am very selective in what I do. And thank you for appreciating that. There is a subset of people who are just supremely annoyed, and they always tell me how annoyed they are, but they're not online. But they're not annoyed at me. They're annoyed at life because they don't know how to laugh at.

[Rob Cesternino]

Themselves. Yeah. And, you know, to have you in with that attitude on the live feeds, the place where. Okay. That this is happening in. In real time, you know, you. You have to tune.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

In. Right. And they still do backyard interviews all the time. And, you know, good for that next person, you know, Like, I wish they hadn't fired me from.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Well, I don't even think they do them.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Anymore. Anymore. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, that makes.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sense. Yeah. I think they stopped during COVID and I'm not sure if they brought them.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Back. Yeah, things have changed a lot. So the genre has changed. My favorite dad joke is when I go to watch my kid play sports, I go there and, like, another dad will come up, and I'm, like, looking at all the kids playing, and the dad will go, hey, which kid is yours? And I go, I don't have a kid here. That makes everyone really.

[Rob Cesternino]

Uncomfortable. Yeah. Do the other Parents, do they. Like, how do you deal with this? Because this is something that, like, you know, like, I live in. Like, look, I don't even live in Los Angeles. You know, I live in, like, a place where, you know, there's not a lot of other reality TV personalities. And sometimes it'll come up like, oh, like, you know, somebody says, like, hey, did you know this guy was on. On Survivor? Even explaining, I have a podcast is. Is awkward. How do you navigate that in your real.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Life? You know, I wear a hat. I wear a mask. I keep moving. I don't really talk about it. There. There are certain areas where it comes up a lot. Geographically. Like, if you're ever in Orlando, Florida or Vegas, those are the biggest Big Brother fans of the world. Last year, I did a ton of medical conferences in Canada. Edmonton, Vancouver, Multiple Blanc to Montreal. And Big Brother Canada fans are insane. They're crazy. I don't know why they. They're rabid for the show. So, you know, when people come up to me and I. And I mean this very, very sincerely in person. I have never had anyone come up to me and be anything other than wildly positive and friendly ever. Like, I just.

[Rob Cesternino]

I. Nobody's ever mean to you to your.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Face? Yeah, ever to my face. People write things online, but again, that doesn't bother. That just doesn't even exist. Like, that's not even a thing. It just doesn't exist, exist. So that to my face, people are always friendly. People want to put me on the phone with their mom, you know, like. And the other thing that's extremely touching, which I never, ever anticipated with Big Brother, is because Big Brother, people who don't know Big Brother's on three days a week, two of those shows are live, but it's on live 24 hours a day on the Internet. And people who are stuck at home are. And watch a lot of television, there's a couple groups of that one is me. But the other one is a lot of times people who have. Have difficult pregnancies, they're home a lot, and they spend a lot of time, you know, online. And then also the elderly who. Who's infirm, who have sickness there. And I cannot tell you the amount of people who have said to me, you know, we watched Big Brother 24 hours a day with my mom when she had cancer and she passed away, and you were her favorite, and you just gave her so much laughter during that time. And I find that so unbelievably touching because that's really all I was ever trying to do is just make myself laugh and make other people laugh and, and society. There's so many things wrong with the world today. And if you can make someone else laugh, and I truly believe this, like, if you laugh every day, your, your life is going well. If you have, you go find something to laugh about every single day. You're. You're really blessed. You're very fortunate. And because not everyone can. So it does give me a really, you know, I try to wear this facade, but underneath it all, it makes me really happy when I could comfort someone during a difficult time in a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Life. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of the people who are watching the Big Brother live feeds, not, not everybody, but they're people that are like, maybe don't have a ton of, like, real world.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Connections. Absolutely. And there's the amount of kids who have texted me, they're now, you know, 30 years old, and they said, listen, you taught me so much about self esteem because you taught me that you didn't give a shit what anyone else thought. And it's true. No one's going to hold myself, going to hold me to the same standards I'm going to hold myself to. I have myself to very high standards in some regards. But what other people think of me, it's just not memorable. It's. No one's going to care. I don't. You know, and Winston Churchill said, if you're not, you know, if you're not pissing people, this isn't the exact quote. If you're not pissing some people off, then you're not really doing anything in your life like you should be. There should be a subset of the population that doesn't really like you, whether that's your co workers or your neighbors, whoever, because otherwise you're not really doing anything. You're not really accomplishing anything. You're not really participating in anything. So, you know, I'm not saying we should reinstate the art of bullying, but by the same token, there's a lot to be said for transparency and honesty and, you know, and you can learn a lot by having adversity in your life. So it's okay to, you know, to be confident, knowing that you don't really care what anyone else.

[Rob Cesternino]

Thinks.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Superpower.

[Rob Cesternino]

Really? I want to go back to the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wheel. Okay, let's go.

[Rob Cesternino]

Man. All right, here we go. Like, we've made a, a dent in this wheel deal.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Definitely. All right. Oh, 1980s television.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sitcoms. We talked about this a little.

[Rob Cesternino]

Bit, a little tiny.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bit. You know, What? I. God damn it. I love Sanford and Son. That was one of my favorites. I just. I. I have such a reverence in my heart for Rallo and Lamont and Fred and, you know, everybody. I just. That was a. That was a personal.

[Rob Cesternino]

Favorite. I love three Banger theme.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Songs. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. I mean, banger theme song. I just. There's so many 1980s shows that I wish they would reboot or. They're not even 1980s, they're really 1970s, but I watched them in 80, early 80s because they were reruns at that time. So just so many great shows then, you know. And so what's a threes company? Oh, I love.

[Rob Cesternino]

Threes. A Frilly guy or a Roper.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Guy? Oh, Roper all the way. And, you know, Mr. Roper, he was the first person to really break that fourth wall. You know, people credit Jim from the Office. Office. But, like, when Jack Tripper would be. When he was referenced as gay, Mr. Roper would turn the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Camera. I'm sorry. Well, is it worth resetting that what Three's Company.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Is? Well, here's the Rob premise. Bloodline works. I mean, it was basically a single guy who lived with two single girls, and they were roommates. And the way that they accomplished this, because this was wildly controversial at the time in Santa Monica, California, is that the. The girls told the. The. The building landlord that the man was gay. And so for. Because for a heterosexual man to live with two women, that was wildly unheard of, but for a gay man to live with two women, that was more acceptable. And.

[Rob Cesternino]

The. And it wasn't like a dorm or anything. It was just like an apartment building. Like, we can't have a. A guy living with two.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Women. Women. But it was also in Santa Monica, California, of all places. And if you can't be gay in Santa Monica, where can you be gay? So anyway, the premise was he wasn't gay. He liked the girls. They kind of didn't like him in a sexual way, and then hijinks ensued. But the landlord and his nosy wife always thought it was funny that Jack was gay. So Mr. Roper would break that fourth wall. It was the first time I had ever seen it done, and I loved it. That's one of the reasons I love Big Brother is he would break the fourth wall and then interact with us as fans, going like. He had this bizarre little squirmy look on his face. Face. And he was signaling to us that he knew that Jack was gay. It was just a. Is a revolutionary Concept. It was a really funny.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show. Yeah. That was a show. My parents did not like that we watched it. It was on in syndication. I feel like when I was a kid, the threes company, it got very racy. Very. A lot of, like, sexual.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Innuendo. Ton. I mean, I love that misunderstanding. Yeah. I didn't even understand those at the time, But I just. The girls were so beautiful. And it was kind of like. Like nothing would make me happier than to live in california with two hot girls in an apartment. Like, I was like, this is. This dream is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Possible. Jack tripper was your hero in many.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ways. Yes.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. You could see yourself at the regal.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Beagle. And that's exactly where I would.

[Rob Cesternino]

Go. That's hanging out with.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Larry. That's the pub that they would all go to. I loved it. And Larry his out. I wish I could get his wardrobe. I would wear that every day if I had.

[Rob Cesternino]

Access. Yeah. A lot of man cleaning. Cleavage, big time chest hair.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Coming.

[Rob Cesternino]

Out. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you about a show in particular. I want to ask you about.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Alf.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Alpha is an acronym for alien life.

[Rob Cesternino]

Form.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And out. You may recall his favorite food is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cats. He liked to eat cats. His name was gordon shumway. He was an alien life form. He crashed in a fam. Also a california.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Family.

[Rob Cesternino]

Family. He crashed on earth and started living in their garage. And. And this family sort of, you know, alf was a little bit of, like, you know, he was on the run. He was hiding that. They hid alf from the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Government. He was an illegal alien.

[Rob Cesternino]

Really? He was truly an illegal alien. Okay, well, my question for you was, was. Was the family on alf? Were they. Were they heroes or were they people who were villains? Did they. Did they do a wrong by the rest of us in our civilization by fostering alf? Who could have had any number of unknown pathogens. Yeah, could have been, you know, just the first. The first in. In the line of an invasion force. So good people or bad.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Add? Yeah. I'm not a lawyer, but I will tell you that I have a pretty good understanding of the legal system. And a lot has to. It comes down to intention. So did they know he was an alien? Yes, they did. Did they. Did they make a moral, ethical decision to hide him? That is true. They did do that. And I have to tell you, you know, let ye cast the first stone. Who wouldn't harbor a alien at his house. And no different than jesus in the manger, you know, with mary and the. The. And everyone else, they're like, I Think we have an obligation to help those people less fortunate than us. And for me, personally, I'm not a hypocrite. If an alien life form landed in my backyard, I would embrace it, and I would also take it in my house. And I'm more of a dog person. I'm not a big cat person, so I would probably feed it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Cats. Alf was not unlike a dog. I mean, he was very hairy, typically the aliens, much like yourself, very little body.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Hair. True. Yeah. He had a big snout, though. But, yeah, like, you know, he's a. I mean, he needs a comeback. I'd like to see him on the next season of Traders, you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. Oh.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wow. Put.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. The Traders Castle. You.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Cowards. There's a couple things I'd like to see on Traders. Like a couple of people. Tupac hologram as one of the players. That'd be amazing. Yeah. I would also like to see alf. Like I said, I think he'd be great on Traders. And then, you know, just a smattering of other, you know, like, I don't know, like, dip. Like Zac Efron's other brother. Like.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. More Efron family members. Yeah. I think alf, I think, really realistically could do the traitors. That. I think that you probably need somebody, like, in the costume to, like, walk around. But I think. I think you could do it, you know, and ALF as a trader, no.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Problem. Well, how difficult. I mean, think. How difficult would that be? You know what I mean? Like, you're like. Like, I. He seems so trustworthy, and he's charming, you know? But I don't know. Maybe he is a traitor. I don't want to feel. I don't look foolish in front of my.

[Rob Cesternino]

Friends.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. All.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. Yeah. Any other 80s sitcoms that you want to.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mention? Oh, there's so many. I mean, the. Yeah, I. I used to love the a team. And B.A. baracus, played by Mr. T, Mr. Name, middle name, period, last name. He. You could clockwork time it when he would throw someone over the front. The hood of the car in slow motion. That would occur exactly 32 minutes into the show. And I just loved it. I couldn't wait for him to throw someone over the front of the car. And it's like every episode, you're always like, oh, he's not gonna do it. He's not gonna. And sure enough, boom, there it was. No different than the sun is gonna rise tomorrow. B.A. barack is. Would throw someone over the hood of the car. It's just something, like, to set your. Your Internal circadian rhythm to. You just knew he was gonna do it. And as a result, it just kind of set the stage for the next day of middle school to wear my catching shorts and my cutoff shirt. I just. It made everything right in the.

[Rob Cesternino]

World. Yeah. You know, and Mr. T, you didn't ever call him by his first name. Unlike Mr. Beast. It was. That was it Mr. T.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. And also, he was. He was someone who could really jump genres because he killed it on the A team. But then also in Rocky, he was an.

[Rob Cesternino]

Unbelievably. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. He was a terror. He was a terrifying boxer there. Like Mr. Beast, he's great at YouTube. YouTube. But he couldn't transition over to reality TV, whereas, you know, true superstars like Mr. T, they can.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Mr. T. You know, Mr. T spent a lot of time with Nancy Reagan. Do you think Mr. T and Nancy Reagan ever, you know, consummated that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Friendship? Boy, I never really thought about that. Why? Do you have evidence that they might have, you think, sexual.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Chemistry? No, I do notice that, like, she's sitting on his lap a lot when he's dressed as Santa Claus. If you Google it, like, it's a lot. And that's like, a weird motif. But, you know, Trump is going.

[Rob Cesternino]

To just say, no.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Nancy. Abby. Oh, Nancy. Yeah, the. And Rob, the. You know, Trump's going to declassify things like the JFK assassination. And I was wondering if he's going to declassify that as well, because it's unsubstantiated. And I really am not looking for a lawsuit, but I could envision a world where there was, you know, hot Christmas lust between Nancy Reagan and.

[Rob Cesternino]

Mr. T. You never.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Know. Mr. T for the Traders, definitely. Hey, let me ask you.

[Rob Cesternino]

This. Could he be the banker? It's a woman this season. But, you know, that's. That's true possibility.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Rob, if you're Ronald Reagan and you find out that your wife, Nancy Reagan, slept with Mr. T, are you, like, really upset? Are you kind of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Like. No, No. I mean, I think once you are pass, shed this mortar, mortal coil. Love is love, I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Think. Right. Yeah. No, that's fair. That's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fair. Anything else on the 80s.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Comes. Oh, God, I could do this all day. I mean, I love the Brady Bunch. I'm friends with Christopher Knight. He's the coolest dude. You know, I just. I love those guys. I think that that show's phenomenal. There's just so many shows. We didn't really talk about Sanford Son enough. I. I Am probably. I.

[Rob Cesternino]

I. That's a little before my.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time. Okay. I. I would venture to say I could win a Jeopardy. Episode solely based on Sanford and Son. Like, I have little. I have a little bit of ocd, and there's some things I just know entirely too much about. About. So I'm big.

[Rob Cesternino]

Fan. All right, well, I have this next question, this next discussion topic for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Oh.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wait.

[Rob Cesternino]

Teddy. Okay, no.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Phone.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Hey. Hey, what's up? I'm in a podcast with Will. Oh, yeah, you know. Okay. All right, I'll ask him. Okay, hold on. All right, well, it was. It was the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Banker.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. The.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Banker.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes. The banker says you can have this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Question.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. That I took off the wheel or I have a question in this case right.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Here. Okay. Okay. I love this, Rob. And I will tell you, I have been waiting my entire reality career for there to be an offer and then to not take the offer just because I think it'd be so hilarious. So I'm actually going to take my own question and not take the offer. I think it's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Funny. Okay. Okay, good.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Question. Okay, we can come back to.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. All right. Why is the 1991 masterpiece Point Break. Point Break the gold standard that we should compare all other future films.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Too? It's the greatest movie of all time. First off, if you think about it, you know, is Keanu Reeves a good actor? No, he's not a good actor. But if you lined up everyone in the world and you think about how many people are against Keanu Reeves, the answer would be zero. You know, like, everyone. I bet if Keanu Reeves went to Russia slash Ukraine border right now, I bet he could get that conflict solved in five.

[Rob Cesternino]

Minutes. See, I'm sure what you mean when you said, who is against.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Him? Yeah. No one's against.

[Rob Cesternino]

Him. Who are his. Who are his.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Enemies? Yeah, he's beloved. He. Keanu Reeves is beloved by everybody. He's just beloved. Whether it's. And I'm not saying he's a good actor, but, like, whether it's John Wick or the Matrix or Bill and Ted's excellent adventure or the greatest movie masterpiece of all time, Speed. No, no, no. Point Break Speed's good. S. Bullock, Biana Reese is absolutely phenomenal. And I love this movie so much. Much. The scene with the dead presidents, where they're running through the mall, that's at the Fox Hill Mall, and I go to the Fox Hill Mall and I, in my head, reenact it. Like, that's how much I like the movie. But you may not even remember this, but Anthony Kiedis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Do you remember his name in the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Movie? I don't remember his name in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Movie. Okay. I'm not going to tell you because you got to watch it. But it's just, it's amazing. Like Patrick Swayze goes, back off and Anthony Kiedis goes, that would be a bad idea. And the acting is so bad that I just love it. But I love the person premise. A football player goes undercover in the FBI to infiltrate a gang of surfer bank robbers. That's all you need to know. I don't need to know anything else. Don't make any other movies. It's the greatest movie ever made. There's no need to make any other movie. And Lori Petty is gorgeous in it. Every single thing about it, from the pacing to the soundtrack, to the filmography, start to finish, hands down, the greatest movie ever made. And the fact that more people don't recognize that just disturbs.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me. In the film, they're wearing the masks of ex presidents to rob banks. That. Do you think that that would be an effective disguise for bank robbers.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Now?

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And would there be a Trump mask considering that he is now a president.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Again? Again? You know, I think the problem with that is the Trump mask might be a little bit too on the nose. Right? Like, well, that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Would. It would be jarring to see Trump and Biden working together. Or would it be there to be some optimism.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There? What I've always wondered is like, you know, old time bank robbers put pantyhose over their head. I always wondered this, and I mean, it's very Sicily. What if you got like expert makeup on your face and then you put the pantyhose over that? Because no one would ever think. Think they would only think that you were putting the pantyhose over your own face. They would never think you're putting it over a mat, like a realistic mask. So I think that'd be just. If you could get away with it, that'd be a phenomenal crime. Because the bank, the FBI would go, look, we're assessing this and what we're noticing is that we can kind of like look through the pantyhose and we can see that this person is, you know, has these characteristics in this shaped nose and blah, blah. But then that wouldn't even be your own stuff. So I didn't answer your question, but I would think multi layer masking is really the future of bank robbery.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. Do people still use pantyhose as a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mask. They should. I don't even know if people even wear.

[Rob Cesternino]

Pantyhose. Did they ever remake Point.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Break? They did. I don't think it was very.

[Rob Cesternino]

Good. Who was in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Remake? I'm not really sure. Okay, well, I mean, why remake things that are excellent? It's kind of like when someone rerecords a song. You're like, you don't have to do that. It was great the first.

[Rob Cesternino]

Time. Okay. All right. Anything else on Point.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Break? I just love it. I mean, I just. I think it's one of the greatest movies ever.

[Rob Cesternino]

Made. Okay. How often do you re. Watch.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It? Yeah, I tried to get my son to watch it and he wouldn't watch it because it was kind of grainy and older. But, like, I'll fall asleep to it. I just love it. War Child is the answer. That's Anthony Kiedis's character. And Patrick Swayze goes back off War Child.

[Rob Cesternino]

Series. All right, whatever happened to the yellow Livestrong bracelets? Everyone used.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. Where are those? I think, like, maybe when I was. I don't even remember, like, maybe when I was like, 30, everyone had a Lance.

[Rob Cesternino]

Armstrong. Sure, sure. And are you asking what happened to the actual yellow bracelets or why don't people wear.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Them? Okay, so what. Let me remind you this. After Lance Armstrong got busted doing steroids a billion times and about it, people were still like, hey, you know what? Yeah, that was messed up. But we're. We're still going to wear the bracelets because they're anti cancer bracelets and, you know, blah, blah. So my question is one, whatever. Did people just eventually realize he was just a D bag and cheater and they stopped wearing them? And also, where are those physical gazillion bracelets now? Trends come back, Rob. You can attest to this. I have a 14 year old, he likes to buy 90s clothes. He buys 90s clothes at a vintage shop that most, most assuredly I threw.

[Rob Cesternino]

Away. Circle of.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Life. I threw him away. And now he's paying 300 bucks for it. When are the Livestrong bracelets coming back? Because I think you and I should bring that back, Rob. And if you go on Survivor 50, you should wear one as a sign to everyone on the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Podcast. Got to be on the Yellow Tribe for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes. So I think that. Yeah, I think that's the short answer is I think that Lance Armstrong kind of was like, I don't think they called it canceled. I don't know what year people that he was sort of like, out of the public Eye. But he got soured on. I think people were just like, okay. And then they started like other things just started co opting the like other causes of like, oh, here's a, this is where a red bracelet for this or blue bracelet for this. Right? You go to a bar mitzvah. Here's a, here's a bracelet for Jimmy's bar.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mitzvah. He. For Jimmy from Mr. Beast. But I mean like Lance Armstrong ruined it for everyone, you know, the U.S. postage. Like they sued him because the post office paid him to be a spokesperson. Excuse me one moment. Rob, do you mean to tell me the post office that only delivers junk mail and bad news has a budget to sponsor steroid heads? Where is the common sense? That's why we need to have a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Politician. If you open the books on who we're paying money to from the post.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Office. It's insanity that the fact that the post office advertising for. What do you think people don't know what the post office is? We know what it is. It's terrible. It delivers junk mail and bills. That's it. No one ever in the last 50 years since the pony express ever got anything useful from the post office. Please, government officials stop allowing the post office to spend money and advertise. Especially with Lance.

[Rob Cesternino]

Armstrong. Yeah, that's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Fair. What's next? Sam Bankman, Fried. I mean, sponsor next. It's just crazy. It's just crazy. Yeah, True lack of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Competency. So Lance Armstrong appeared on. Just bring this back to reality tv. Lance Armstrong appeared last year on a reality show called Stars on Mars. Was that something that, that was in your purview at all? They never even reached out to. They didn't even shoot their shot of like, can we get Will Kirby.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Now? I get requests from a lot of shows, but I like that. I never even heard of that.

[Rob Cesternino]

One. Yeah, Stars are Mars. Do you know what it was.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

About? No.

[Rob Cesternino]

Idea. They had celebrities and they put them in like sort of like a bio dome and they were pretending like they were training to live on Mars. That they were. These were the people that you said the one person they're going to send to Mars and have all these. These were the people that they were pretending were going to be living on Mars. And they had like Marshawn.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Lynch. Okay, I would let him go to Mars. I love him. He's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Good. He was good. He was good. Good that they had Lance.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Armstrong. Okay, how did he.

[Rob Cesternino]

Do? Not good. He was kind of. He was kind of the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dick. Baby oil Three Musketeers and Maybe a little bit of kid, but you know.

[Rob Cesternino]

What? Space is dangerous. And if anything should happen, then people wouldn't feel so bad. It wouldn't. It wouldn't set back the space.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Program, but it wouldn't be like when the space shuttle blew up. It would not be like that. We would all. I mean, everyone go, you know what? Yeah, they made a lot of mistakes in life, but. But it. It was exciting. I bet the ratings would be great. You'd have a. Definitely have a podcast episode dedicated to.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Okay. All right. So that's what's happened to the Livestrong bracelets.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. No, but wait. Is there a big giant warehouse with all the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Extra. Or like, I think they're just in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Landfill. Yeah. See, the thing is, I bet somewhere they exist, I bet someone has a batch. And if we could get our hands on those, I. You know, things come back much in the 90s clothing line. Rob, I'm telling you, where you wear one on Survivor 50, it's gonna. You're gonna be selling them like hotcakes. Like, you're gonna. The wall behind you is gonna be all Rob Strong bracelets on the wall. And you could sell those for like $3.

[Rob Cesternino]

Each. Let me see. Live strong. I'm gonna ebay. Livestrong bracelet. Can you get a. An authentic one? Okay. Yeah, it looks like you get them pretty cheap. New Livestrong WristBand. Lance Armstrong Foundation 450 or best.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Offer. Dude, that's great. And if he signed it, it's 2:50. It's 450 with no signature from him. But if Lance Armstrong wore it.

[Rob Cesternino]

$1. Okay. All right, so a big, big. Is it like 2 through 8 is all eaten up? Okay. Wow. So.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Here. This is one question or no.

[Rob Cesternino]

Question. Yeah. Okay, so we go right to number nine. Okay. Aquariums, pallidariums, terrarium, and aquascaping. As a hobby, we've touched on this a little. Little.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bit. Yeah, there's a. There's so much. Just hatred in the world today, and I think people really should embrace hobbies that are more relaxing. So I love to listen to. Rob has a podcast, and I listen to it. And then I. And I actually listen to it on Apple. And no offense at all, but I listen to it a little faster. Speed. I go like.

[Rob Cesternino]

1.25. Yeah, that's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Fine. It just. Once you go faster, you can't go back because then when you go back, you feel like it's so slow. But I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aquascape. Do you feel like I'm having a stroke Broke as you're talking to me on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

2. On.

[Rob Cesternino]

1.25. No, I'm talking. I'm talking in 1x right.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Now. Yeah, no, no, it's fine now because I'm used to having conversations with people, but I do listen to podcast faster. You know, if I listen to, like, a news podcast, I can go 1.75 and still pick up most of the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Information.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Do you ever go to. You ever get crazy and.

[Rob Cesternino]

Go. I really don't do two unless I'm really just trying to, you know, just get the very essential information. And there's certain speakers that are better than.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Others. Yeah, that's true, too. I have found that you can kind of train your brain. Like, if you try 1.75, the first, like, hour, you're not getting it, and then all of a sudden, your brain will kind of, like, start listening pretty.

[Rob Cesternino]

Quickly. Yeah. Okay. So sorry I interrupted you. You have your hobbies. You listen to the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Podcast. So I love aquascaping. And just for those of you who don't know, a paludarium is like a. It's like a swamp fish tank. So it's like half fish tank, half terrarium. And it just. It's lovely. It's just a fun hobby to have. It's really relaxing. You could put little creatures in it. Fish, you know, cherry shrimp, turtles, whatever. And. And I just wish more people would get into that hobby because it's readily available, it's very inexpensive. It's. You have to be very patient. It's just aquascaping is really the concept here. My friend Devon Ordone actually is trying to sell a show about competitive aquarium building, and I love.

[Rob Cesternino]

That. Would you be a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Judge? Judge, definitely. I would be honored to be a judge on a competitive aquarium building show. I don't even know if I'm qualified because I. I am an aficionado, but I'm not an expert. Some of these people do this really, really, really well. And again, if you think you have a weird hobby, I promise there's someone out there in the world who has. Who's even better at it than you. So, like, reach out on the Internet and connect with them and work with them and, you know, find your hobby. Let your freak flag fly.

[Rob Cesternino]

High. Yeah, probably a subreddit for the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Palariums. Definitely. Definitely.

[Rob Cesternino]

Definitely. Okay. All right, let's keep.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Spinning.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay, We've got. Coming up. All right. I think sometimes I've been spinning clockwise and other times counterclockwise just.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. It's not a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Competition. Yeah. Okay. I just Want to make sure that these spins were valid as long.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

As it goes around the wheel one full.

[Rob Cesternino]

Time. All right. Healthiest hat habit you're including in your life in 2025. I've been looking forward to this one because. Yeah, I feel like that you're such a font of knowledge in the wellness.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Space. Yeah, thank you for saying that. So, I. I'm following something I'll call the three, two, one.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rule.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. And what that means is three hours before bed, no food, two hours before bed, no liquid, and one hour before bed, no electronics. And you will be astonished how. How much better you sleep when you do that, especially as you age, because you get a little reflux, a little, you know, heartburn as you age, and you have to pee more frequently as you age. And so the 3, 2, 1 rule for me personally works really well. But I'm not a big vitamin person. But I. I am getting into supplements a little bit, and I'm a big fan. I'll tell you three things you can buy over the counter that will make you sleep like a baby. I'm no I know Huberman podcast, but, yeah, Magnesium glycine, specifically glycinate. I love it. Inositol, which is a B vitamin derivative, and then glycine, which is amino acid. And if you take those pills at night, and I'll say them again for our viewers, magnesium, glycine, specific glycinate, glycine, and inositol. So I take those every night and I sleep unbelievably.

[Rob Cesternino]

Well. What's that third one?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Nasitol? Inositol. It's spelled I N S O T O. Well, it's a vitamin B derivative. And those have been clinically shown, you know, in many in the scientific literature to induce REM sleep and just help you overall sleep. I'm a big, big fan. And here's the thing. You know, some of the literature is a little bit unclear about them, and some of the studies are, you know, are not, you know, fully vetted. But even if it's placebo, that's wonderful, too. Either way, it's making me sleep better. So I love.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Can I tell you, and you're a doctor, so you, you know all this, but, you know, placebo is best, best drug out.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There. Of course. Yeah, of course. I mean, laughter is the best medicine is not just a cliche. We know that when you laugh and when you find joy, every single day increases, you know, your dopamine, and it makes you happier of all. And PMA positive mental Attitude is contagious. Like, if you're happy, the people in your house will be happier. Like there's an old phrase, like, if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. And so, like, when you, you know, bring that positive attitude and you're having a good day, the other people in your life will too. It's very.

[Rob Cesternino]

Contagious. Yeah, but, you know, they have these, like, medical commercials, and sometimes they'll be like, like, like 52% of people reported a positive use with the product, compared to 48% with placebo. Like, like, wait, hold on. It was only like a little bit better than the placebo.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? That's true. Yeah. That happens all the time in my world. But, you know, it's just a function of working through the medical literature, seeing what's really accurate. I mean, I'm very. I'm a big believer of Western medicine. That doesn't mean I don't, you know, appreciate Eastern philosophies, but, you know, I really try to follow the medical literature and any advice that I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Give. Yeah, that's it. Three, two, one. I feel like I'm good on the three. And two. The one. I'm a little bit of a, you know, tik tok before bed.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Guy. You. Do you at least wear blue blocking.

[Rob Cesternino]

Glasses? Because not. Not at that point of the day. Not when I'm like, brushing my.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Teeth. Your phone? Yeah, I set my phone so it does something really interesting. I could take my phone and if I click it, the button on the right three times, times, the phone will go red and remove all the blue blocking. Okay, we'll read everything. But it removes the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Blue.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So it's the blue that causes the, the disturbance in your circadian.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rhythm. Does it matter if, if the phone is like, in front of my face versus, like on the counter while I'm brushing my.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Teeth? Yeah, that's a good question. It's probably dose dependent, you know, so not. Not just in time or duration, but also in intensity. So that is. That is believed to be the case. So that's why a blue blocking glass glasses. Yes. They'll prevent the blue waves from going to your eyes and stimulating you. But by the same token, if you're in a bright room with the blue blocking glasses and you have a TV and an iPad and a phone, it can only do so much. So it doesn't. That's not really going to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Work. This is new for you in 2025 or this has.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Been. No, I've been doing it for two or three years. Now, in fact, when I went on Dondi, I brought it because I'm a notorious insomniac. Like, just a terrible.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sleeper. Wow, this blows my mind. You can take supplements on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dondi. Dondi is paradise, Rob. They make your bed. You know, I should get it. I should get a shirt that says, they make your bed. You know, like, I mean, yeah, go on an excursion, and you're sunburned and you're tired, and your knee hurts, and you go back and your bed is made it. It is Lux Again, if you're. If you're applying to Survivor right now, get out your Dondi application. It's a superior show in every.

[Rob Cesternino]

Way. This is no joke. I mean, the fact that you cannot take supplements, I mean, it's like, crazy. Is crazy. Okay, all right, well, let me. Okay, so let me. Let me share with you. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. Yeah, please, I want to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Hear. Okay, so. And I'm. I'm big on supplements. You know, I try to talk about it a lot. Okay. Try to do, you know, everything I can, you know, to. To try to keep getting, you know, stay. Stay in good health. I started doing something late in the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Year. Oh, you're whispering like, I gotta lean in. Everyone lean.

[Rob Cesternino]

In. I don't know. I don't know what you. What you think, if it's controversial or not. I started doing a cold.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Plunge. Oh, I like that. How and.

[Rob Cesternino]

When. So it's kind of embarrassing. Okay. Because it's. A lot of. It is, like, I didn't buy any, like, equipment. Okay. So we have a. We have a bathtub. And I've made. I've taken all sorts of containers and putting them into the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Freezer.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And I've made giant blocks of.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ice. I love.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. And I run the water, and then I put all of these. I fill it up with all these frozen containers that I have. And I do this all while my wife is sleeping, because I don't wake her up. And she's a d. She's a. She's a deep sleeper and a late sleeper, but I don't want to have the embarrassment of her to see what's going on or walk in or.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Anything. Say it.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. You're gonna have.

[Rob Cesternino]

Shrinkage. So there could be. There could be.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Shrinkage. I've experienced that myself. You take a cold bath and your spouse walks in. It's. You're like, I don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Know. Luckily, I have all these containers floating in.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

The. In the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Water. But, you know, and then it's. I feel like there's A little bit of like a. And. And you know what? I don't really know if it does anything. I gotta be honest. I get out. I feel like it didn't kill me. Look how now I'm.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Stronger. How deep do you go? Like.

[Rob Cesternino]

Nipple? All the way. All the way.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

In. Wow. Wow. How.

[Rob Cesternino]

Long? My. My high record is like 15.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Minutes. Wow. Good for.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. But I don't do it every day. I don't do it every day. I try to do like two, three, like from the little bit of like research. If you could get in there, 20 minutes a.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Week. Yeah, I love it. I will tell you, I'm a big proponent of that. The. In the Wim Hof mess of method, he really, he really pioneered that. Not to say people haven't died doing it outdoors, but in your house it's relatively safe. I'm a big, big fan. And I'll tell you why do you do it at night? Did you say.

[Rob Cesternino]

Morning? Morning.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So it will definitely invigorate you and wake you up. But what I have also found again, for me personally, if I do it late at night, if I can't sleep, it's phenomenal as well because you burn so many calories. Shivering. The single best way to like. The single best way to burn brown fat and burn calories is just to shiver because every muscle in your body is really, you know, firing at that time. So. And if you work out hard, you'll get a really good night's sleep if you've ever been like physically exhausted. So I'm a big proponent of that. Definitely during the day is better than at night. It can be as simple as just turning your shower as cold as you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Can. I do that on the days that I don't do the plunge. I try to take a very cold shower first thing in the morning. I go under the water. Cold as.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Possible. There's a lot of evidence in the medical literature showing that that will reset your neuroreceptors and make you make, you know, less prone to addictive things, including probably social media, you know, so it's real. I think that's very, very healthy habit. I will tell you this. If you're having trouble sleeping at night, what the medical literature shows is that the change in core temperature to a cooler temperature often induces sleep sleepiness. So one is sleeping in a really cold room can make a really big difference. But also taking an incredibly hot shower and then getting out, that, that will. That change in temperature of your body trying to regulate from that hot temperature To a cooler temperature will often help induce sleep. So as someone who's a terrible sleeper, I love all that stuff. I would definitely recommend a cold bath more during the day, the hot shower at.

[Rob Cesternino]

Night.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And where do you come down on weighted.

[Rob Cesternino]

Blankets? Oh, so I don't need one. But I feel like for people with, you know, people who have like a adhd, I feel like that that's also like a good use case for it that, like, really like to have the weighted blanket on.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You. I'm a big fan. I. I love weighted blankets. If you've never tried one, I highly recommend it. If you're in a hot environment, it's probably not going to make a lot of sense, but if you live somewhere and it's cooler and you open the window or you run your air conditioning cold or whatever, it's just cold. I'm a big fan of weighted blankets. It just gives me a level of comfort. I'm a big fan. Fan. You can buy them very inexpensively on Amazon these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Days. Okay. Hard to clean the weighted blanket I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Found. Well, I. I try not to get sweaty and greasy on it. Like, I, you know, we'll put a sheet or something, a duvet in between or something, but. Yeah, that's fair. They also, I mean, they have covers.

[Rob Cesternino]

For. One time we sprung a leak in the weighted blanket.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

And. Oh, I use water. Mine is. Mine is like.

[Rob Cesternino]

Be. Oh, no. Yeah, so it's like. It's like 10 million, like, tiny plastic ball bearings that like. Like a. Good luck cleaning that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Up. Yeah, that's a fair point. That is one of the detriments. I mean, life is hard these days. You know, the other day my son said, you know.

[Rob Cesternino]

The.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

He. He's 14. He said, this is probably in the history of the world, the hardest time to be a teenager. And I was like, yeah, I bet Ang Frank had it so easy during the dummy. So the. It's like you have a weighted blanket and it springs a leak and a couple little beads fall. You'll be okay. Someone will clean up. You'll be all.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. Right, Here we go. Wheels getting a little thin.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Hey, I got qu. We can go all night.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob. Yeah, Cold water. Good for skin care.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? I love cold water. I mean, if you take too hot of a shower, you're going to desiccate your skin and you're ironically going to get increased sebum production. So. And that's going to cause poor congestion. So cool showers are really good for your skin. Okay. If you think about it, Rob, a hundred Years ago. Like your forefathers never had a hot shower. Like, like, yeah, your great grandfather had two hot baths. I'd be shocked. You know what I mean? Like, it was, it was cold or.

[Rob Cesternino]

Nothing. Okay. All right. Is sie healthy or is it just basically.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sherbert? Yeah, I think you said it incorrectly. I pronounce it acai, but it. Maybe I put the wrong infestus on the wrong. I'm not really.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sure. I'm not the expert. I. I've actually never had. Had.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. Oh my God. It's delicious. Like an acai bowl. It's one of those things where you're like, oh, I'm eating healthy because it has almond butter, bananas, blueberries, strawberries, acai. And then you're like, this is delicious. But I think it's just like purple sherbet. So I don't really know. I'm not a nutritionist. My suspicion is as a high glycemic index. Not.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sure. Yeah, you know, I see them open, the stores open up. I never see anybody in these.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Places. It's trendy. It's a trendy. It's kind of like Soul Cycle. Like, remember when soul cycle came out and you'd it put. Put on like, you know, ball hugging shorts. Sorry. And then like, like the banana hammock, dong thong. And you'd wear those. And then you go there and you're like hurting your prostate on the bike. And then you're like, I don't really want to do this. And then there like just disappeared right and left those. They were just gone. Yeah. And now you got the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Shorts. Okay. All right. I don't know how much more there is to say about the acai.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bowl. I mean, that wasn't like a revolutionary topic there. I just. If you haven't had one, I would highly recommend it. I'm a big boba too. Where do you come down on.

[Rob Cesternino]

Boba? You know, I've actually never really had that. I have no desire for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. Where do you live in Raleigh? Cosmic stuff. I mean, they have these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Things. You think people drink a lot of boba in.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Raleigh? Yeah. I mean, it's not like you. I mean, you don't live in.

[Rob Cesternino]

Ukraine. Like, I never had it in, in Los Angeles.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Either. But Rob, you go tomorrow, have Rob Day and just go have some boba.

[Rob Cesternino]

Doordash. Can I.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Doordash. It definitely, definitely like the, the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Boba. Like I'm. I feel like it's almost like that somebody just opened up a weighted blanket in my milkshake kind.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Of. I Mean, it is kind of like that. The universe harmonizes, everything overflows. And if you start looking closely.

[Rob Cesternino]

Enough, you'll see, like, what is that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Stuff? It's tapioca pudding. It's delicious. Like a gummy.

[Rob Cesternino]

Bear. Okay, all.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. Drinking a gummy bear. Had a.

[Rob Cesternino]

Baby. Yeah. So the acai bowl. Am I having that for breakfast? What meal is.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It? I think breakfast would be good. I mean, I think you should ask your kids. They'll love an acai bowl. Take that. I mean, you can get an aco anywhere these days. Days.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yes. Can I get one at Raising.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Canes? No, you cannot. They don't have any dessert options. And they also do not have a diet decaffeinated beverage, which really bothers.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me. Can I get a diet boba.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tea? Oh, yeah, definitely. They have decaffeinated, like, winter melon is decaffeinated. And you can go low.

[Rob Cesternino]

Sugar. Yeah. How come you don't drink any.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Caffeine? I hate caffeine. I think it's a scam. Yeah, it is caffeine. You know what's funny is, for years, I would drink a diet coke and feel terrible or coffee, and I'd feel terrible. I just felt, like, out of sorts. I just felt, like, racy. And then I did 23andMe genetic testing, and it said that I had some, like, crazy statistic, which is the people in my category were, like, 42% less likely to consume caffeine. So clearly, I'm a slow metabolizer. You'll meet people who can drink a cup of coffee and go right to bed. I do not have that ability. It. I. I am very much against caffeine. I think that it's kind of like alcohol. Like, it's so ubiquitous in our society, and the people who like it are so loud, but it's kind of like, hey, this makes me feel like shit. And then everyone else is like, shut up and drink it. And you're like, but I don't like it. And then you just kind of have to decide for.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yourself. Yeah, you don't have.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

To. Thank.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. You don't have to. I mean, I suppose it also to all the caffeine fans, like, don't go on Dr. Will Social media, and. And then go after.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Him. I mean, coffee is hot bean water with a splash of cow pus. I don't need that in the morning. That's just not what I want. So if you want, great, knock yourself out. Go to Starbucks, go to Coffee Bean, go to Pete's. I don't care but you don't have to now say that I'm a caffeineist and that I'm against all caffeine and that you're going to email me. I don't need that in my.

[Rob Cesternino]

Life.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. All right, Rob, this goes back to that concept of your. We don't need to know everyone's opinion. If you like caffeine. Awesome. That's. That's great. Get a. Get a shirt or whatever. Like. But you don't have to bother other people about.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Yeah. Let him live. Okay. All right. Oh, this is a good one. Dr. Will's dad's house.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Haunting. Okay, you. You saved this one for the right time. Okay, so the. My dad owns this house. He still owns it. It's a house I grew up in. And the house is, like, a gazillion years old. In fact, in the front yard, yard, there's a sign and Ponce de Leon when he was conquering Florida. Side note, constantly on, like, discovering Florida is kind of like me discovering your wallet. You know what I mean? Like, someone else had it, but.

[Rob Cesternino]

Whatever.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So the Native Americans there, the Native Floridians. Under this giant tree in the yard, a treaty was signed. So it's a historic monument. There's like, a little tiny plaque under this gigantic oak tree. Biggest tree you've ever seen your life. So that's just evidence of how old the land is. So the land is old, but the house is really, really old, too. This is in North Florida. And the house is just creepy as anything. It's just, like, the creepiest place you've ever been. So when. When my dad got the house, there was an attic. And we went to the attic, and there was a picture of an old lady in the attic. But the picture is a triangle frame, like something you've never seen. It just didn't even make any sense. Sense. And it was. Her name is Middle Ms. Middlebrooks, right? That's her last name. So I was like, man, this is creepy. And my dad's like, well, we're not gonna throw the picture away, because, like, that could be a bad omen. Kind of like your family with the clowns, right? Like, probably haunted by them today. And Laurel and Hardy, because your family just placed.

[Rob Cesternino]

These. Luckily, we.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Moved. There you go. And also, you didn't disclose that to the new buyer, so there's no way they're being haunted by clowns. And Lauren Hardy. Mostly Laurel. But anyway, the. So it started off with this creepy picture. And I know where you're going with this. You're like, that's not really a big deal. And I'm like, yeah, no problem. But there. Then these incidents started to occur very slowly and over time. And so one time, my dad's friend was dropping something off at the house, and he was like, yeah, I left the package. I left the package at your house. And, like, the curtains moved and I. And the. I guess you're. To me, like, your grandmother was home. And I. So I left the package because I saw her there, but she wouldn't open the door. And I was like, my grandmother doesn't live in the house. And so this was like a random, intelligent guy, guy who swears to this day that he put a package by the door and he saw an old lady, like, watch him put the package and move the curtain and look at him and with the package. But again, like, I know you're just chalking this up to, like, that's not really that big of a deal.

[Rob Cesternino]

You know, Pretty big.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Deal. It's a pretty big deal. But anyway, there was. There's a. There's been a number of incidences, and I don't want to. I don't want to bore you with all the stories, but it's kind of like you're not going to die of one paper cut, but if you get cut with 10,000 paper cuts, you'll get die. So the stories over the years just kind of started getting, you know, like, different things would happen. Like, different. It was. And it was always a reference to an older woman. So different. Like, you know, someone would come to fix the plumbing or something, and they were like, yeah, that. The. You know, I tried to leave the bill with the. The older woman, but she didn't look up when I tried to talk to her. And you're like, what the are you talking about? And it would just happen over and over and over with too many people. People for like, no one would. These are strangers. No one would ever discuss this with them. So my dad's a professor, and one night a. A graduate student was having dinner at our house. And so we were all having dinner. Me, my stepmom, my dad, my brother, and me, and the graduate student. And the graduate student got up to go to the restroom, and he came back in like five minutes later, and he sat down, he said, hey, why? He said to my dad, he said, why did you not invite your mother to have dinner with us? And my dad was like, what do you. What do you mean? And he's like, well, there's an elderly woman sitting in the, in the, in the room, in that other room on the way to the bathroom and in the living room. And my dad was like, there's no. And the guy, the guy was like, look there. What? He's like, are you guys with me? He's like, there's an old woman sitting like down that hole in that room. And we're like, no, there's not. And everybody, you, my brother and I are like, here we go. Because, like, the house is on.

[Rob Cesternino]

It.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And also my friends would never come over because they were like, man, your house is creepy as hell. And so anyway, we all got up from the dinner table and we walked in the room and the room is empty. The guy was, you know, no pun intended, as pale as a ghost. And he just got up and left. Like, he just was terrified. And so then my parents hired a priest to come be an exorcist and they did an exorcism and, and they, you know, like they did a couple different things and they got a psychic and the psychic was like, look, this is just someone who's a lost soul. She's confused where she lives. And anyway, there some very, very other older neighbors in the neighborhood. And what happened is the part of the house where the attic is, where we saw that picture, it had burned down in the early 1900s and she had passed away in the house. So again, I'm a man of science, Rob. Like, I, I like data driven information. But I will tell you, this house is 100% haunted. It's. It's the creepiest place you've ever been. She's a benevolent spirit. She's never caused any problems. She's never hurt anybody. But over and over and over, different people, particularly like young men, men have interacted. Like, interacted where? She'll show up there, not talk to them, not but, but be. Be a visible, you know, phantasm within the. Within the realm. It's pretty.

[Rob Cesternino]

Crazy. Your dad still lived.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

There? Yeah, he's still. He still lives.

[Rob Cesternino]

There.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. And he feels comfortable with it. He's like, yeah. You know, like she's never caused problems. Like once or time a year. Once or two times a year, it'll come up completely unpredictable. It's almost always with men. Like women never see her, but it's always like a one man alone and, and it's just.

[Rob Cesternino]

There. Is that she looking for a son? Is it looking.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

For. It could be, yeah. It makes you wonder, right? Like, she's clearly an older woman. She's all. She's often sitting when they see her. So she'll sit particularly, like, in one room on the couch. She'll also sit at the end of beds when people stay there. And then a lot of people, a number of times people have referenced her when they look in through the window, like to come into the house. House. They can see her when they look through the window. So it, we don't really know, but, you know, it, she is clearly just kind of caught in between worlds and is probably a little confused and she's looking for, you know, she's probably waiting for somebody, her husband or her son.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. And you've seen.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Her? I, I have felt her presence and I have seen her like, as an apparition. Like, I have not, like, visualized her face or, like, seen her like, like that, but many, many, many, many times, you know, I've woken up at the end of the, you know, in the middle of the night and, you know, there's pressure on your, you could feel the bed. Like when someone's sitting on the sheets and you turn on the light and, like, it just, it's, it's out, out of this world. It's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Otherworldly. Yeah. Does this change your worldview on life and death, the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Afterlife? You know, I, I'm a firm believer that of a few things, like I said, think the way we, I think we need to get more comfortable with death as a society. Because if you're, if you understand biology and you understand animals and you understand the earth and you understand that death isn't something to be afraid of, it's just something, it's just a natural part of that biological circle. And so these are two different concepts. But generally speaking, I, I, I try to be comfortable with death. I try not to fear death, and I try to understand that that is an inevitable, that is an inevitable thing for all of us. And it kind of goes into my life philosophy, which is I really want to live boldly. Boldly doesn't mean recklessly. It doesn't mean that you're hurting people. It means that you just do badass shit whenever you can. So I try to live that way and take advantage of opportunities, but by the same token, I'm intelligent enough to recognize again. In 1908, gorillas were a myth. Right. In 1907, the first plane took off. George Washington didn't know dinosaurs existed. Like, we're really only beginning to tap into what's available to the human mind. And we can't even conceptualize what's going on in the 100 billion stars with planets Circling them in our own solar system, much else what's out there. So it would be very foolish for me to say I got it all figured out because no one does and no one ever has and no one ever will. There are what's at the end of the universe? What is it? We don't know. We just don't know. The universe is expanding and we have no idea why. But where is it expanding too? And how and what? So, you know, I'm agnostic in the sense that I know that I do not have enough information, nor will I ever have enough information to make a clear determination on this thing that we call the universe and, and life as well. You know, just the biological capsule that we all live in. You know, who knows really what that means as a scientist? I think when you're dead, you're dead. You know, is there, is there a soul? Is there spirituality? I really don't know. And I'm okay with that. You know, you don't just, in the same way, you don't have to have an opinion about raising canes. You don't have to know everything. It's okay to just kind of like be a benevolent little aerial alien along for the ride, looking around and see what.

[Rob Cesternino]

Happens. Well, you've done such an amazing job today, really articulating your worldview as we've gone through this very wild and winding journey of that the universe is big and mysterious, who.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Knows? And gorgeous and beautiful and who.

[Rob Cesternino]

Can understand all of it? But what we do know, we have is this lifetime. And in talking with me and in listening to your interview that you did with Sharon last year, you talked a few different times about looking back at life from the perspective of being on a deathbed of, you're not gonna wish you watched more reality tv. You're not going to wish you spent more time. Time on social media arguing with.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

People on social media arguing with.

[Rob Cesternino]

People. And all you can do is be the most. The, the, the version of you that is the most entertained and by proxy.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Entertaining. Yes, I, I think comedy is hilarious, but you don't have to be funny. That's hard to do. You could just be entertaining. If I go to a cocktail party, I look for the weirdest dude there's. I look for the weirdest person who's dressed the weirdest. Maybe, you know, whatever it is, because that's the most interesting person and that's. What if you're doing the same thing over and over and over, life's just not interesting. You're welcome to do that. But that's not the life I want to live. Me, Rob. What I want to do, I want to go in the woods and party with a bear that owns a bear strip.

[Rob Cesternino]

Club. I didn't hear a theme.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Song. Oh, can you give me the background of it? Go take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears. That's the new theme song. Oh, that was good. I like. You were hitting the high note.

[Rob Cesternino]

There. Oh, w. I do a little.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Mouth. Yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. All right, all right. This is like the big Gap. And then we go to number 15. Okay. One of Will's topics was about men's facial hairstyles that deserve a comeback. Example, the Flavor.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Saver. Okay. Rob, did you ever like Limp Bizkit? Just be.

[Rob Cesternino]

Honest. Yeah, back in the day. Back in, like.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

2000. Yeah, yeah, I like Limp Bizkit. And I'm just wondering. I'm trying to get out in front of fads, you know? Like, I think that the yellow Livestrong bracelets should come back. But I'm wondering. You never see the Flavor Saver these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Days. The last one I saw, I think did. Did Big Jeff have one in his early big brother playing.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Days? Maybe. That. Maybe. But I'd like to start seeing that come back. And also, if people who are really evolved, they'll have that upside down martini glass, you know, where it goes like. It's the Flavor Saver. And then it goes, like, a bit. It does like this on your face. I don't know if you can.

[Rob Cesternino]

See. It's like a little. Like an hourglass. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. It's like a Flavor Saver that goes into an upside down martini glass. I'd like to see that come back. That's all. I'm just saying. And also, Fred Durst, he'd be great on Dondi Season 4. No one would know who he is. But then he'd wear the red baseball cap backwards. You know, he'd be like, it's just one of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Those. They'd be like, all right, you want to open the case? He's like, give me something to break. Yeah, yeah. And then Joe's like, what do you. What do you think, Fred? He's like, gotta have.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Faith. Yeah, that's George.

[Rob Cesternino]

Michael. But they redid.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Did Limp Bizkit redid.

[Rob Cesternino]

That?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Well, I gotta check that out.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right? Like. Like 25 years.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Ago. Wait a minute. You mean to tell me it's a mashup between George Michael and.

[Rob Cesternino]

Limpus? I don't think. I think that they just covered it. I think that was one of their.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Songs. I gotta check that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Out. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Faith limpis.

[Rob Cesternino]

Here. 1997. Really hit for Limp Bizkit. Yeah, you might have been.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Busy. Father figure or what is it?

[Rob Cesternino]

Faith. It was.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Faith. Okay, I'm in.

[Rob Cesternino]

Man. Yeah.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. George Michael. Talk about the ultimate comeback of all time. I mean, he was obviously, you know, no secret here. Allegedly, Abby. He was, you know, caught masturbating in a public area, I think, or maybe soliciting undercover sex. But then he came back with that video with all the supermodels. Cindy Crawford, you know, Linda, Evangeline Campbell. What a comeback. I mean, that vid. That's the last, like, amazing video I remember. It's such a great.

[Rob Cesternino]

Video. Last Christmas puts up numbers every.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Year. I love it. That's one of the best Christmas songs. You know my second favorite Christmas.

[Rob Cesternino]

Song?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

What? You're gonna have to Google this one because a lot of people don't know it. It's not that popular in Raleigh, North Carolina. Dominic, the Christmas.

[Rob Cesternino]

Donkey. Oh, yeah, No, I know that. Yeah. Oh, you know, Italian.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Song. Yeah, that's a great. Now, you know what's really funny is my friend is Italian, and I played it for him, and he's said, this is. He's like, we've never heard of.

[Rob Cesternino]

Dominic. No, no, I know, I know. And my son is Dominic. That's my oldest son. And we're a little worried, like, oh, is he going to get mad if they're like, we're making. Making fun of him. But no, he doesn't. He.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Doesn'T. If you haven't heard, Dominic the Christmas Donkey, it. It's. It's appropriate every day. It's not just late December. Play it right.

[Rob Cesternino]

Now. Hey, can I ask you a question? With your kids, do they. Do they get into, like, the brain rot? Do you know what this is? Is, like, they talk about, like. Like Riz, and they. And they. And they listen to this music, and they listen to, like, all the Christmas songs, and they sing, last ris. I gave you my gyat. And it's just all Riz Yacht Phantom.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tax. I'm not very familiar with that. But I will tell you, I'm completely. I barely speak the same language. They speak. Like, I just. I. I'm like. I'm literally like. I'm glad I have the two dogs, Rob, because otherwise no one else in my house would like me. And the other thing is, my house is like a hormone vortex. Like, my spouse has estrogen going this way. I got A kid with, you know, ninth grade boners this way. I got a kid with estrogen this way. My dogs are hungry. Just like, I'm in, I'm in a hurricane of, of hormones, and they're just, like, surrounding me, and I'm all wrapped up just trying to fight them.

[Rob Cesternino]

Off. Yeah. What do you do? What's the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Solution? I don't know. I mean, I know it's not raising canes because we do that all the time, and that's not.

[Rob Cesternino]

Helping.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. So I think the answer is.

[Rob Cesternino]

Aquascaping. Aquascaping. Okay. Any other facial hairstyles? Like, what about, like.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sideburns? Yeah, I'd like to see the mutton chops come back, like, really big and hairy. Yeah, you don't see enough of those. If you get those, you have to wear.

[Rob Cesternino]

Overalls. But 90s fashion came back, but I feel like, you know, Luke Perry sideburns, I feel like didn't come.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Back. No, I mean, that's kind of surprising. I, I, you know, like, again, I try to always be on the edge of things, but there's some things that I don't personally feel comfortable bringing back because then I just would look like the guy in the club trying too hard, you know, But I would like to see some of those things come.

[Rob Cesternino]

Back. You know, I was gonna ask you a question about fashion. And, you know, you, you know, are you, you know, have a, A great sense of style, retro fashion, you know, you look at pictures from all these different decades, very clearly identify. But around the time that you went and played Big Brother, it seems as though we have stopped evolving the fashion. Did we just reach a point where, as a society, we figured it out, or has something else changed? Where if you go back and look at pictures from 20, 25 years ago, the fashion is, is mostly the same. The phones and the monitors are different and the TVs are different, but the fashion is, is remarkably similar. Whereas if you look back even just 10 years before that, fashion is very different. Can you explain that.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Will? Yeah, that, you know, that's very interesting. It. I do think that music sort of defines the decades, but also there is an element that fashion does as well, well, and fast fashion, which is really, you know, just become available in the last 20 years, has really has really sort of, no pun intended, like, disintegrated the fabric of society. Because now, you know, before when you had to wear a shirt, you had to commit to that shirt. You know, you had to buy it, you had to iron it, you had to hang it up you had to wear it. And now when you don't like something, we just live in a disposable society. You can throw it away next week if it's not cool anymore. So I love the fact that we often bring back, you know, things from the 70s, the 80s, the 90s. And the question is, like, what would we bring back from the early 2000? What's the fashion like? There's just not anything that in my mind that really defines it. Yes. Maybe the accoutrements, you know, maybe it's a wallet with a chain. I don't know. But like, there isn't. If you think of 50s, the 1950s, boom leather jacket, 1960s, boom hippie fashion, 1970s bell bottoms and big collars. 1980s, you got the neon color, like we could. 1990s, you got the denim and the oversized pants. We can do this all. But when you get to the 2000s, it just kind of fizzles out. Yeah, it makes me sad. I learned younger.

[Rob Cesternino]

Days. Yeah. Do you think it'll ever change? Will we ever reach a decade where there'll be some new, ubiquitous.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Fashion? I mean, there, I think we're running out of things, and I think what you're going to see is just refreshing of older things. And I think you can see more of an amalgamation of concepts. I keep waiting for like, big collars to come back. I love big collars. I have a lot of old 70 shirts. Does have not come back yet. But, you know, like, I'm not the most fashion forward person by any stretch of the imagination, but I am fascinated by trends and pop culture and the things that we do to make ourselves more comfortable in life. So, you know, I'm really interested to see what happens. I'm along for the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Ride. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. I guess my point here is I'm a very opinionated person, but I don't really have an opinion on this topic, and that's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Okay. I thought maybe you might have some. Some answers.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. No, I mean, I don't have answers to fashion questions. I just. I don't really get it. I mean, I'm still on the samba topic. I'm not even sure if I'm allowed to wear sambas without kids yelling at.

[Rob Cesternino]

Me. I think you're allowed. The kids shouldn't.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yell. Yeah, they're very angry these.

[Rob Cesternino]

Days. Touch grass. Okay. That's what I say to the kids. I mean, really? I got. All right, let me. I'll spin the wheel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. All.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. We go to spin it until.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It lands on a question. I'm just.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kidding. Okay. All right. Rob's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Choice. Oh, okay. All.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. I have a. A question for you.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Will.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. That I have wanted to ask you for quite some time.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right. I know you said earlier in this. Dr. Will, you said earlier in this podcast. Podcast. That you do not like the. Even the mere thought of multiverses in parallel.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Universes.

[Rob Cesternino]

Yeah. This next question does. This next question does involve.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

One. That's all.

[Rob Cesternino]

Right.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. Just because I don't like something, Rob, doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

[Rob Cesternino]

In one of the many parallel universes. Okay. Where 9, 11 didn't.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Happen.

[Rob Cesternino]

Happen. Okay. Everything up to that moment is exactly the same. Nine, 11, they. They. They figured it out. Doesn't. Doesn't happen. Okay. In that universe, in the current timeline, does Dr. Will Kirby have an.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

EGOT? I love that. You know, there's very few people who've received an egot. One of them you might be a aware of is Philip Michael Thomas from my 1980s favorite show, Miami.

[Rob Cesternino]

Vice.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Wow. So he tried to get one. Sorry, Philip Michael Thomas does not have one. He tried to get one, but he famously wore a necklace that said he got those who don't know EGOT is Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, and there have been a few people who've won all of them. So, Rob, I will tell you.

[Rob Cesternino]

This.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

The. I. I have had reality television break my heart so many times. Big Brother 2, for those of you don't know, it ended on September 20th. But on September 11th, that's when 9, 11, 11 occurred. And it just pulled all the sails out of the wind. All the wind out of the sails. And as a result, when the show ended, entertainment opportunities associated with that period just completely disappeared. For me, that was really unfortunate. But you can control what you can control. And you know, that. That gave me the opportunity to not focus on things that I didn't need to be doing and to, you know, focus more on my science career. Now, there's two other times where I got my heart broken by reality tv. Rob, Actually, I'm going to tell you couple really quickly there in the. There was a show on NBC that was. They were looking for a host, and it was called Love Shack. This was. This was much earlier than the Bachelor. The Bachelor had not come out yet. And it was wildly controversial, kind of like Three's Company, for a heterosexual man and woman to be in a house together and not live together, not to be intimate together. So that my agent came to me, my agent at the time, and he said, listen, there's a show called Love Shack. It's an NBC show. They want you to host. Host it. Primetime dating show. It's going to be big. And I said, great. He said, but. And there's another offer for you. I said, great. What is it? He said, well, there's a show, it's kind of like a remake of Star Search and the. There's going to be a host on the show and the host on the show is a current radio.

[Rob Cesternino]

Dj.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And you be the co host of that. And I said, star Search a radio. I'm not doing that. I'm doing Shack. So that show that I turned down was called American.

[Rob Cesternino]

Idol. You could have been the Brian Duncan.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Dunkelman. Yeah. Of American Idol. Idol. So I turned that down, which was, you know, again, that was. I missed on that one. Okay. I swung and I missed and I went with Love Shack. Now, Love Shack, you can actually watch the first two Upshot episodes of Love Shack right now on YouTube. The rest have been lost. This show aired in Europe. It shared. It shared. Aired in India. It aired all over the world. But in the United States, they. I swear this is a true story. I was set to go on Jay Leno on Thursday to promote the show. Show. The premiere of the show is on a Tuesday. I have a viewing party at my house. We film this entire dating show. It's absolutely incredible. And we turn on. I turn on the TV to watch it and my friends are there. We're all going to watch it. And Tom Brokaw comes on. The channel is like, we are officially at war with Iraq. Boom. Show gets canceled. Never airs in the United States. Airs all over, very popular. Other places, never airs. And. But if you're really bored, go to YouTube and you can watch the first two episodes of Love Shacker. Right now it's a guy and a girl living in a house. Every week, different people come in to date them. And at the very end, one couple wins the mansion. It's an amazing show. It's a really good show that got canceled and at least for Peacock and then. And Peacock and believe it or not, I checked recently. End all. Shine owns the rights to it. So end them all. Shine could easily relinquish those rights or produce it for, you know, for.

[Rob Cesternino]

Peacock.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. And the last time that my.

[Rob Cesternino]

B52s. Were they.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Involved? They were not involved. The producers at the time, Howard Schultz was the main executive producer. He actually tragically passed away in a scuba diving. Scuba diving accident in Hawaii. He, he co produced that show with Jackie Pitman. Who's a legend in the space. She's absolutely phenomenal. I love her. And she would be totally down to do it again and reboot the show. But anyway, the. The it is owned by in the mall Shine. So it's a very easy.

[Rob Cesternino]

Conversation. Can you explain the premise one more.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time? I'd love to. A guy and a girl are about to enter this Malibu.

[Rob Cesternino]

Mansion. Are they a dating couple already? Are they.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Straight? They're dating other people. So it's a sexual guy and a heterosexual girl. They move into this house together. They are not allowed to date each other. They. Each week, a new person comes in that they're dating. Okay. A different guy for the girl and a different. Two, Sorry, Two guys and two girls. Okay, okay. Two guys come in to date the girl. Two girls come in to date the guy. There's contests every week, and if you win the contest, you go on an incredible luxury date. Like a helicopter lands and takes you and one person of your choosing on the date. So every week, each of the two main people have to eliminate one girl and one guy, and then that person is replaced. So it's one guy and two girls and one girl and two guys living in this giant mansion, all interacting. But there's only certain people that they can date, date. And when the people are away on their luxury dates, the other people are. Can do whatever they want. So, like, behind the scenes, those people are dating. And it's just a fascinating, fascinating show because you get to see the interaction, why people select their partners. But the stakes are extremely high because you win the mansion at the end. It was a phenomenal.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show. The world wasn't ready for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

That. In 2000, 2002, the world was not ready, so. So it got canceled. It was tragic. It broke my heart. I'm going to tell you two other heartbreaking stories, Rob. I mean, the universe does not want me to do reality tv. The greatest show ever filmed in the history of reality.

[Rob Cesternino]

Television. Tuesday.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Nights. The second best show ever filmed in the history of television, created by a guy named Michael Weinberg, who's a legend in the reality space, was called Knife Swap, not Wife.

[Rob Cesternino]

Soft.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Justin picture out.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Again. Exactly. It was me. And going back to that Justin picture, that picture is priceless. Now, priceless doesn't mean it's valuable. It just means it has no price. Because, like, maybe that's worth, you know, to you, a million dollars. And the random person, I'll take an offer worth a dollar. Yeah. I think it's one of the greatest pictures of all Time. And in fact, how you got that is a whole other story. And I would love to learn about that right now. Just kidding. We'll do that another.

[Rob Cesternino]

Time. Another.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time. So, Rob, this show was called Knife Swap. It's me and three plastic surface surgeons. We get a couple. Rob and your wife, right? You're going. What's your wife's.

[Rob Cesternino]

Name?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Nicole. Robin. Nicole, you're going through a lot of problems in your relationship, marital problems. You've been together a long time. You got the two.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kids.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

We. There's a lot of ways you can fix relationship problems, Rob. You and Nicole could go to marital counseling, you go to therapy. But we work with the human body, and we think when you look good naked, that breeds intimacy into your relationship. So, Nicole, please walk into this soundproof room. Rob, you stay with.

[Rob Cesternino]

Us.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Us. Nicole walks in there. We have a microphone. I push the button. Nicole, take off all your clothes. She takes all of our clothes. Nicole, put your arms to the side. Puts her arms out. And the room's slowly rotating. Okay, Bear with me.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? We see Bob. There's your wife. We know you guys haven't been getting along. What plastic surgery procedures do you want to pick for her? Okay, we did the show, Rob. We did this show. So you pick breast augmentation, liposuction.

[Rob Cesternino]

Whatever you want, and just the time and a place. Okay. The Swan, I'm sure, is. Is. Is hot.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right? Red hot. Red.

[Rob Cesternino]

Hot. Red hot. Red.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Hot.

[Rob Cesternino]

Network. Is this.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

On? It never. It was on.

[Rob Cesternino]

VH1. Okay. Okay, got.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

It. The whole.

[Rob Cesternino]

Thing. So, Cola. Can I ask a question? So when I. Yeah, when I tell you, like, I'm like, okay, so maybe you could do. Does she hear this? Or is it like anesthesia? And you're just gonna. She's gonna wake up. Up. And the stuff was.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Done. Rob, are you ready for.

[Rob Cesternino]

This?

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yes. She comes out, she puts on her clothes. She's looking, like, ashamed and embarrassed. You're, like, gloating. Rob, please step into the room. You go in the room, you take off all your clothes. The room spins. Now, we filmed this. I swear to God, we filmed this. The guy's name, Carlos. And we say to the. The Carlos now realizes what's going to happen. And he says to his wife, he says, listen, this is my grandfather's nose. It's my son's nose. This is my nose. Nose. Don't touch my nose. He walks in a soundproof booth. Door closes. She goes nose job. And the room starts spinning, right? This is on camera. She's like, I Want penis enlargement, liposuction, hair transplant, like the craziest stuff. So he comes out, she's kind of frazzled. He comes out of the room. We say, you know, Rob, Nicole, please say goodbye to your spouse. Your surgeries take place Tomorrow morning at 6am you do not. What. Know what you're going to get, get. And you're not going to see each other for six months. Rob. We did head to toe, full body makeover, everything. You've never seen anything like this in your life. It was the greatest show ever.

[Rob Cesternino]

Made and nobody went to.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Jail. We felt, no, the, the, the waiver was like this deep. So, okay. The. Also, by the way, if you have anything else to do in your life, listeners, please just cancel because I'll keep talking. So, Rob, they bring out the couple six months later. We work with them every month, See them, we're working with them. They get fitness, lifestyle coach, whatever. Six months later, they come back. We drop the curtain. Now they look, we don't know what's going to happen, Right. They look at each other because keep in mind they were not getting along prior to this. Yeah. Look at each other. And they kind of like both look each other up and down and they kind of both start laughing, like a little bit, like inappropriate laughing. And then they start weeping. And then they embrace and they're crying and they're like, I missed you so much. I never realized how much I love you. Like, you look so gorgeous. I, I've been thinking about, about you every day. You're the most important person in my life. They're crying. We're all crying. Everybody's crying. The executives are crying. Everybody's crying. I mean, it's the greatest show of all time. And VH1 takes us to dinner and they're like, listen, Michael Weinberg's there. They're like, look. And this is the best plastic surgeons in la. Cat Bovic. And they take us. And I'm the only dermatologist, and they take us to dinner, actually. And they said, listen, guys, the show is a green light. It's going to be nationwide, it's going to be worldwide. We're going to. You're going to. We need to know your schedules for the next two years. We have to block out these dates. Blah, blah, blah. Next day in the trades, huge shake up at VH1. The President is out. Programming is canceled. I was positive, Rob. I was positive this was going to be the biggest show of all time. And I'm Michael Weinberg, if you're listening to this reboot it. I'm ready to go to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Tomorrow. It's ready to go. Netflix. I mean. I mean. Or.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Peacock. Great show. It was such a great show because it dealt on everything that's uncomfortable relationships and being naked.

[Rob Cesternino]

And.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

Surgery. When you reunite them. Are they clothed? Fig leaf, what's the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Situation? No, they're clothed. And they looked. I'm not kidding. They looked like a million bucks. Like now. Agreed. They were selected because, you know, we. We selected them initially because they had that potential. But I've never seen anything.

[Rob Cesternino]

Like. Are they still together.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Today? I don't know. It's been. It's been decades, so I don't know. I mean, they got. They got hundreds of thousands worth of plastic surgery and huge shout out to them for being vulnerable with that first pilot. It's a great.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. All right. I lied. Rob, I have two more. Okay, this is a quick one. There was a show on. On CBS indication it got canceled, but it was called the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Doctors.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. And. And they had a competitor on Fox and. And one of those two shows was it. And my agent was like, you got to pick one or the other. The Fox is going to give you more. For the pilot. I did the Fox show. It didn't get picked up and they went with the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Doctors. So that show's canceled now.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Too. It's canceled now too. And then the very last time my heart was broken was three weeks ago for the premiere of Dondi. It's one of the best reality shows I've ever even heard of. Dealer. No Deal Island 2, Joe Manganiello, produced by Jenny Ramirez, Matt Kunitz. Abby's part of the team. It's a phenomenal out to shout show. And the la la caught on fire. So it starts to air and then it got preempted and it just shut off on all our TVs. And a fire. And it was all about fiery coverage. As it should be.

[Rob Cesternino]

Okay. Of course.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Sensitive to things that people going on. But I had this uncanny track record of year after year after year, show after show after show, having the rug pulled out from under my feet at the very last second. And you know what? That's okay because I wouldn't have experienced this life path. I wouldn't have been the scientist I am today. I wouldn't have developed, you know, the techniques and tools and built the team I had today if all those things had worked out. And that really is a phenomenal lesson we talked about at the very beginning. Rob, you're a phenomenal player because you can evolve. You can be funny if you have to. You can be sneaky if you have to. You can be athletic if you have to. You can evolve. And that is one of the keys to life, is recognizing there's things you can control and things you can't control. You never give up, but you just go with the flow and you do the best you can with the circumstances you have. And I certainly feel like I've mostly, mostly accomplished that.

[Rob Cesternino]

Object. And look, it was a setback with the premiere of Dondi, but the dandy still. Is still dandy right now.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Definitely. It's hard to get people to watch a show if they're not committed from the beginning, but I promise you, if you're listening to this podcast right now, I will not let you down. You don't even have to watch the first three episodes. Start with episode four, which is going to come this Tuesday. I don't know what day you're watching, watching this, but start with episode four. I'm telling you, it's a slobber knocker. I promise you from the bottom of my heart, the show pops off it. It gets incredible starting this week, and it's going. I'm telling you, I have no. And by the way, I have no reason to promote it other than that I truly believe in it. I believe in the cast. I love the cast. Every single one. They're just, you know, even the ones that I don't like and don't like me and I'll get along with, they could have won the show. It's a really, really, really great, great.

[Rob Cesternino]

Show. Will doesn't have to be.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Here.

[Rob Cesternino]

Exactly. Do you get any more money if.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

They.

[Rob Cesternino]

If. If people watch the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Show? Nothing. And, in fact, I'm taking good time away from a bear strip club where they play. Take me down to the Paradise City where the bears are bears and the bears bake. Oh, won't you please take me? Oh, yeah. Big Teddy.

[Rob Cesternino]

Folks. Big.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Teddy. Tip your waitresses. And also Rock Bob. We do not discriminate. Koala bears, grizzly bears. What are the big. What are the big white snow bears.

[Rob Cesternino]

Called? Oh, a polar.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bear. Polar bears, yeah. Sorry there. Yeah, Any bear, black bear. We're totally cool with.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Yeah. Okay. All right, let me see. I got two more things on the wheel. Dream pets, which I kind of feel like we.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Covered. Yeah, we talked about that. I mean, like, I think we.

[Rob Cesternino]

Kind of cannibalized the wheel little.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Bit. Most animals that can be domesticated have been domesticated. So, like, you're not Going to pick, like, a pet that's never been domesticated, and all of a sudden bring it in your house. And like, it's. You know, people have already kind of figured that out. You got cats, dogs, birds, but you really shouldn't have those house. Maybe you do some aquascaping, but don't try to bring other animals in your house. If you, you know, social media again, you get sucked in. You see people with these mini donkeys and stuff pooping in the house that you don't have to do.

[Rob Cesternino]

That.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. All right. Stay.

[Rob Cesternino]

Outside. And then the only other one I have on the wheel here is chat GPT's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Choice. Oh, let's do.

[Rob Cesternino]

It. Okay. All.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Right. So did you plan that or was that the last.

[Rob Cesternino]

One? That is the last one. That's just how it came up. Okay. All right. And so ChatGPT gave me a couple of. A couple of questions. Okay. If you had the power to make one universal rule that everyone on earth had to follow for a single.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Day, what would it be? Wow. And you can only do it for one day.

[Rob Cesternino]

Total. One.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Day. Rob, I.

[Rob Cesternino]

Would.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

My. My sincere goal for everyone is to have to achieve all of their life dreams, their individual life dreams, even if it's only for one day. So I would love to see people really recognize that life is short, that you really only get one chance at it, that living boldly is really important, that the world is a beautiful, wondrous place, that the universe harmonizes, and that you can go to Paradise.

[Rob Cesternino]

City. Everybody's gonna go on one.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Day. Where the barrels? I want everyone to go to Paradise City. They're bicoastal, they're bisexual, and they're bilingual. Gigante International. Come to Paradise City. Where the bears are bears and the bears bears. Oh, won't you please take me? Oh, boom. That's my goal.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay, what do you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Want? Well, what is there. So is there one thing that we could do that would drastically improve the human if we have just one day? But we could get everybody to do the same. I mean, besides subscribe to Robin's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Podcast. Yeah.

[Rob Cesternino]

Besides. Definitely besides. You know, get, get, subscribe. You know, make sure to. I don't know, watch Dondi. Watch Dondi.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Okay. New World Order. If you vote for me, you know, as a political leader, we'll create a new World Order. And again, here. Here are my promises. It's so simple. One, no salary. Two, one time only. I'm not doing it ever again. And three, three, common sense. That's all we're doing is common Sense. Nothing dumb. If you have a dumb idea like chocolate Three Musketeers, we're not listening to you. And then we're also going to send P. Diddy all the.

[Rob Cesternino]

Oil for the mission to Mars. Yeah, to Mars.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Tomorrow. I mean, again, if you're going to even try to argue that, like, why would you argue against that? That's totally.

[Rob Cesternino]

Reasonable. Okay, can I ask you this other question that Chat GPT came up with? Okay. All right, all right. Explore the theory that sourdough starters with their bubbling cultures are secretly.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Sentient. It does make you wonder what? Like how you define life. Right. Because if you think about it, there's certain criteria that, that we consider life to have. One of those is the ability to replicate. But a virus has no brain, but it does have DNA and it can replicate. So, like is is light is like is, you know, what is sentient. Like is how. What kind of life form is so small that it has intelligence versus instinctual intelligence? So like a virus. I don't even know. You could debate this all day long. I'm not even sure. A virus. I don't think they're alive. I don't think they meet the criteria for life, except that they have RNA or DNA and can replicate, which is the criteria for life. So if you're going to look at something that's probably more evolved, not that I don't think that, you know, sourdough, you know, which is, you know, those are bacteria. I don't think that you can say they're sentient, they don't have awareness, but they may have instinctual intelligence. Right. Like a turtle is never going to know who I am, but they will go to light and they'll go to food. If I feed them every day, my dogs definitely know who I am. They know the cadence of my voice, they know the smell. So they're sentient. But I love this question because I'm very unclear clear where awareness of a creature comes into play and when in, you know, are animals just sort of going through the motions because that's been ingrained in them with their DNA or at some point are certain animals becoming sentient and aware of what's going on. And I think that the reason that Chat GPT is asking this is because Chat GPT is probably extremely close to becoming sentient. So Chubby GBT is probably trying to throw us off here, Rob, get us distracted, worried about sourdough bread baking at home, when in fact Chat GBT is. Yeah, it's a distraction. It's getting closer and closer to being skynet. And in 1991, when I worked at the movie theater and Terminator 2 came out, who were they fighting? Skynet. Great, great, great movie soundtrack to that movie Guns and Roses. And Dan is the people that we want to call us the license paradise city Take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears bear oh, won't you please take me home?

[Rob Cesternino]

Boom. It's.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Beautiful. Thank you.

[Rob Cesternino]

Rob. Yeah. All right. Well, should we land the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Plane? Rob, this is. Let me just. Like, I joke around a lot, but let me just tell you, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I'm a huge fan of your work. I sincerely have a commitment confession, which is I apologize that I haven't been on sooner. I really try to be sort of elusive and exclusive and just hard to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Reach. And you are.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Yeah. Thank you. And. And I try to be very patient because there are too many people saying too many things in this noisy world of ours. And if you're going to come on, you need to have a really powerful message, like, you know, a bear strip club or things like that. And, you know, I really do hope that I really, really want to see you on Survivor Festival 50. And if you do that, Rob, one little request, A yellow Livestrong bracelet, you'll know it's.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. It's for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

You. Yeah, like, if you. If you get on there and you're wearing that Livestrong bracelet, I'm gonna lose my mind. Like, I'm. I'm gonna run up the 405 buck naked with a big phone peacock feather in my butt crack. But I just would love to see that happen. I want to see everyone listening. I want to see their dreams come true. And I also want to tell you, if you're sitting around right now listening to this podcast, you are definitely a reality television fan, because why else would you listen to it? And if you are a reality television f fan, stop watching and start playing. All you have to do is apply. There is a show for everyone these days. If you like Legos, there's a show. If you like baking, there's a show. If you what? If you like dating, whatever it is, there is a show for.

[Rob Cesternino]

You. And if you've listened to over four hours of this podcast and you are one, have not been entertained by this man, ask yourself, well, what. Why did I listen to this? But number two, and you're not watching.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Don't.

[Rob Cesternino]

Monday. Yeah, you're part of the problem. Tuesday nights, NBC, 9:00pm you want to break Will's heart for the fifth.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Time. Reality television has broken my heart so many times. I just can't take it again. And I need. I really need this one to. I just again, I don't get any. I don't get a pay. I don't get a penny more. Rob, Nothing.

[Rob Cesternino]

Else. They're not paying you by the.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Viewer. Yeah, nothing, nothing good happens in my life. If you as an audience member watch viewer watch. Dondi. Nothing else happens in my life other than that I will have accomplished my object of entertaining you and I really. That's what I want to.

[Rob Cesternino]

Do. Yeah. Okay. Well, I wouldn't have changed anything about how this went. It was an all timer for.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Me. Rob. The pleasure is honestly mine. I cannot say this enough. I'm a big fan. You make incredible content. You're unbelievably passionate, unbelievably enthusiastic. Yeah, check it out. And again, guys, I have no hidden agenda. It's a badass show. Just check it out. The episode four this.

[Rob Cesternino]

Tuesday. Okay. Of course. Check that out. We'll that will. Will you. Should I tell people? Leave comments.

[Dr. Will Kirby]

Or. You know what, Rob, I don't mean this rudely. They could do whatever they want. I don't believe. I'm just not a big social media person again. Thank God I missed that. I missed out sexting. I missed out online dating and I missed out like. I'm just not a big fan of social media. I just. I'm not going to sit in my room and stare at a little phone. It's kind of weird. You know what I'll do? I'll go to Paradise City Take me down to the paradise city where the bears are bears and the bears where titties oh, won't you please take me.

[Rob Cesternino]

Home? All right, all right. We're t. We're taking you home. Thank you so much for listening. I don't know if we'll dropped off the call. I think that this of his. I think he mic dropped. All right, thank you so much for listening. Of course. If you enjoyed this, subscribe to Rob as a podcast. Thank you so much. Take care, everybody. Have a good one.