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Why R. Buckminster Fuller Predicted Bitcoin
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What do Bitcoin, Buckminster Fuller, and the future of money have in common? In this powerful episode of The Rich Dad Radio Show, Robert Kiyosaki and Kim Kiyosaki talk with Max Keiser to connect the dots between futurist thinking, decentralization,...
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Robert Kiyosaki
This is the Rich Dad Radio Show. The good news and bad news about money. Here's Robert Kiyosaki.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Hello, Hello, Hello, Robert Kiyosaki, the Rich Dad Radio Show. The good news and bad news about money. And today we have a very special guest. He's a longtime friend. I've been following him for so many years. And the reason this is a special program is we have a mentor in common. And I think, Max, you're the only guy I know who knows of him. And his name is Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller. This is his book here. It was signed by Fuller. It was the book launched in 1981 and radically changed my life. The Rich Dad Company would not be here if I hadn't showed up in 1981. And so I want to talk to you. We'll talk about Bitcoin, but in the context of Fuller before we.
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Unknown
Right, right.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Well, one second. Let me bring Kim, and I mean Kim. This whole Rich Dad Company is formed because of Fuller, right? With Grunch and Giant and all that.
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Max Keiser
All of it, Grunch of giants, the heist of the whole school system, of the capital system, the banking system, but also Fuller's generalized principles of which we studied, in which we based our company and companies before this on his principles. So he's been such an incredible influence. Unfortunately, I never met him because he passed away before I knew of him a year before. But yeah, it's going to be a great show and I'M really, really looking forward to it.
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Kim Kiyosaki
So the reason Max is on, because he's an old friend I just met for the first time, but is that he's the only guy I know has ever mentioned Fuller. And so that's why I'm very. And, Max, I should have bought bitcoin when you talked about it, but I didn't. I bought some now anyway. And we're going to talk about is. Fuller did mention bitcoin in his predictions. He was a futurist. He made so many predictions that are now coming true, and bitcoin was one of them. So, Max, old friend, for the first time we meet. Welcome to the Rich Dad Show.
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Unknown
Yeah, great. I feel richer already. I'm getting richer just sitting here. It's fantastic. Thank you. So, yeah, Buckminster Fuller. So that book, Critical Path, came out in 1981. I was then 21. I was just finishing up college and about to enter a career on Wall Street. And, you know, he seemed to me to be commensurate with a lot of the punk thinking at the time. He's a punk scientist and a punk engineer. And what I mean by that is it's all about do it yourself. Just do it yourself. You don't need outside, you know, legitimacy. You don't need accreditations, you don't need approval. You don't need the status quo. Just really think, probe your own mind. And there's so much, so many rich things in your own mind. So two things that really stood out for me. One, of course, you mentioned money and his thoughts about money and thinking about money. The other thing is that his organizing principle or one of his organizing principles, and he gives some anecdotes about his life, about how he decided at one point that he would not do anything unless it benefited humanity as a whole.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Amen.
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Unknown
Right. And so this is really phenomenal way to think, you know. Then he went on to do things like the geodesic dome and other designs, the electric car, which we had that principle in mind, that he's going to do things to help humanity. And he's a designer. So his design parameters were, does this help humanity? And so this is very interesting. It goes against a lot of the ethos of what we look at, particularly in economics and finance, where it's all about individual. And it's all the economics of neoclassical economics of Adam Smith and about the invisible hand. And everyone is pursuing their own individual interest to result in the greater good of the. Of prices for everybody. The work of Ayn Rand is often quoted, which Is an echoes this sensibility in a big way, you know. And clearly Buckminster Fuller had a completely different way of looking at things and any. But it wasn't political. It was from an engineering perspective and from a humanist perspective and more of a. More like a Renaissance perspective. I think you could say he was a Renaissance man in the truest sense of the word. In that he was ushering in really the Internet age. And we could talk about Bitcoin, how it relates to that. So it had an impact on me. I started on Wall street and Wall street at that time was a very creative period in Wall Street's history. Because the age of discount stock brokering had just started with Charles Schwab. And so a lot of the Wall street banks felt threatened and they got into some very creative thinking. How to package products, package new products. You know, this is the age of Michael Milken, the leverage buyout, which was a very creative way to use debt to acquire companies and things like that. And so that's how I spent my 20s. And I always had in the back of my mind this idea. And I was also, up until Wall Street, I was at my university University, New York University. I spent most of my time at the radio station as a disc jockey and hung out at the clubs like CBGB's, Maxis, Kansas City and was really following punk scene in a big way. And so I transitioned right to Wall street and kind of like Buckminster Fuller was my bridge to that, that way of thinking. And so this got me thinking about money, finance and markets in a way that I saw them as plastic and very malleable. As a medium, not as anything that was hard coded, but something that was, you could express, you could enjoy some self expression. Actually this ultimately led to me creating the Hollywood Stock exchange in the 1990s, which is kind of an attempt to bridge money in Wall street with self expression. So that was a whole, a different chapter. But that again was related I think to Buckminster Fuller. But getting to Bucky's design concepts of money, you know, it's, it's, it's this whole idea of money. Let's look at money from a design perspective and best practices for. From design and take it away from politicians and take it away from bankers. You know, if you're an engineer and a designer, how would you approach money? And I think that's, that's the path he set us on. To be fair. Henry Ford made similar comments back in the 1920s talking about energy, money and things like that. So those are the two you Know antecedents. I would say, thinking philosophical wise, where we can get into the Bitcoin's design, but his separation of the state and politicians from money and take it from a design perspective and to have his attitude, which, again, has that. That punk sensibility of essentially just, you know, do it. Just do it. You know, you don't need.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Well, what he. Max, what. What he said. Because I was in rock and roll in 1981. I was working with. My first date with Kim was to the police and Van Halen, Boy George and all that. So I just love the music scene. But I wouldn't ask Kim because she never met. But when I met Kim, this is. The sequence was. 81 was critical path. I started with Fuller. 81, 82, 83. And then two weeks later, after the summer of 83, he passed away. And that's when his book Grunch of Giants came up. And it was basically about the people that run beyond the Fed. And so when I met Kim, Fuller hit me right in the brain. I said, I will never work for money again. I'll work for humanity. And that's. That's when I got out of rock and roll. So Kim. That's when I met. I met Kim right after Fuller passed away. So what was the. What was your understanding of what was happening?
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Max Keiser
Well, I remember, you know, you were in rock and roll, and you love rock and roll and you love that business. But you were kind of at. You were torn. You were conflicted inside because you were studying this guy Fuller. And Fuller said to you, you know, what do you do for a living? And you said, I make money. And he said, what a waste of a. What a waste of a great mind. And we've always, you know, since.
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Unknown
Since.
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Max Keiser
Since meeting you, Robert, is how I got to know Bucky. And one of the lines that he said that we've always operated by is the more people we serve, the more effective we become. And that's always a principle that's guided us. So we've never done it for money. That was never been the initial goal. The initial goal is how do you serve more people more effectively. But that's always. And then once you left rock and roll, then you were kind of set free, right?
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Kim Kiyosaki
So, Max, this is where you fit in. Okay? So, 81, I studied with him. 82, 83, bunch of giants comes out. And I'm reading Fuller's predictions because he died in 83. And one of his predictions was he predicted the Internet, which would come out prior to 1990. He said, There'd be a new technology entering planet Earth prior to end of the decade. So that was 99, 1989, the web came up then. He also said computers will make it practical. This is a direct quote. To electronify wealth distribution that accomplish the movements of goods and service. That is more channeled design structures. Not Big Brother though, since no central planning authority. So that's that whole thing. And so when I saw your patent. This is my question. Max, are you Satoshi?
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Unknown
Oh man, you got me.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Because you were tuned in too.
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Unknown
You got me red handed.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Well, I should have listened to you when I first came across you, but I didn't understand it at the time.
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Unknown
Yeah, well, I mean he also said things like. He talked about a synchronous database synchronizing things around the world. You know, I personally, there's an overlap for me between Buckminster Fuller and this idea of synchronous databases and global money and the work of Carl Jung, you know, who I follow pretty closely as well in terms of his ideas about synchronicity and the collective unconscious. And I think that Bitcoin.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Max, you dodged my question. You didn't say yes or no use Satoshi.
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Unknown
All will be revealed. You know, everything is revealed at the time it should be revealed. You know, you can't let things happen out of, out of the timeline that they should happen, right? I mean, things you were tuned in.
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Kim Kiyosaki
I mean, my God, I was tuned into something else. But you were tuned into this whole cryptocurrency.
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Unknown
Well, I do have a patent on a virtual currency that from 1996. So the, the Kaiser patent, US patent 5950176. It's a virtual specialist patent. How to trade virtual currencies, virtual securities with a virtual currency. And, and so that's, that's what I, I patented. So when I heard About Bitcoin in 2011, it was, it was a leap beyond what I was thinking about because the, all, all the virtual currencies and digital currencies up until then were centralized to some degree. All, all market making, all federal banks, all political considerations regarding money are all centralized. So the thing about Bitcoin that breaks it from everything else is that it's decentralized. And how do you create that decentralized network? And I think it's interesting because again getting back to Buckminster Fuller, you know, a lot of his writings from. You look through it through a political lens, you would say this is not, this is not capitalism, this is something else. This is maybe the opposite of capitalism. And yet the result is our tools that enable those who could call themselves capitalists to do fantastic work as capitalists. But, you know, there are a lot of elements to this post Internet age, like we have the free Open Source Software movement. You have Linux, which is free, essentially free software. You have Richard Stallman was big, and his idea of free unlicensed software, the Lawrence Lessig's work with the Creative Commons license, which is outside of the trademark and patent system. And during the early part of the Internet age, there was this tremendous. And you would appreciate this. And you were there as well. You had the work of those who considered the Internet to be really a revisitation of the 1960s and the free love movement and those who were taking drugs and hallucinating Timothy Leary and those folks. There was a moment in the Internet's history before it became completely corporatized where there was this feeling of freedom of expression that was going to be this huge movement. And our friend who wrote the Declaration of Independence for the Internet, yeah, John Perry Barlow, he was incredibly huge at that time. And then the Internet became completely corporatized. And it wasn't until Bitcoin came around that we had a new chapter in this idea of distribution and decentralization and individual empowerment and individual journeys. And I always compare Bitcoin to shamanism and kind of spiritualism and things like this, where people have the freedom to delve into their own spiritual journeys because they have unconfiscatable money that's never debasing in value, so they have no worries. In other words, you achieve individual sovereignty and you can just pursue spirituality. And I think that's where Bitcoin is heading. I think everyone ultimately achieves individual sovereignty. The whole idea of wealth changes dramatically itself. I mean, this would be a Buckminster Fuller idea that his idea of wealth was very, very radically different than what most people consider to be wealth. So if you take that and Bitcoin is the coin of his thinking, and then what do you have? If you had everyone thinking like Buckminster Fuller, you know, the world would be a dramatically and drastically different place. And with Bitcoin, we can get to that place, and we are getting to that place, and it is happening right now.
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Kim Kiyosaki
ROBERT Right. So I'm going to ask Kim, because when I met so, Fuller dies 83, he writes grunch of Giants, Gross, Universal Cash heist. And now we have repo, reverse repo, and all this stuff going on. We have, what, $120 billion a month being pumped into to keep that balloon afloat of fake Money. We're paying people not to work. But when I Met Kim in 83, I started talking to her about this. And then she told her mother and father she quit her job. And we moved to follow the teachings of Buckminster Fuller. Kim, what was that like talking to your parents about this nutcase called Kiyosaki?
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Max Keiser
All I remember was a phone call. And all I remember is I said, hey, I met this guy. I've quit my job. I was in advertising at the time, and we're selling what we have and we're moving to California. And the only words I heard from my father was, you quit your job. And it was because he worked all his life as an employee. And working your way up the corporate ladder, which would have been a disaster for me, is what he saw in me. My future being so Bucky definitely changed the course of my life via you, Robert. And we've never looked back. There's another principle that he talked about that is the basis of the Rich Dad Company as well. The words are strange because he uses a lot of different words, but it was called angular redundancy. It was basically. And we've done this ever since we've met, Robert. It's basically what in the world needs to be done that nobody else is doing that you can do called angular redundancy. We don't need another gas powered car. We got enough of those. But what in the world needs to be done that no one is doing? And you go and do it. So that's kind of how we've built the Rich Dad Company and how we've lived our lives. So again, I love Bucky's principles. I mean, generalized principle is a principle that's true in all cases, like gravity. And they work, and they really work if you stick to them. And I don't know anybody that's ever applied Bucky's principles to business.
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Kim Kiyosaki
And we did.
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Max Keiser
Yep.
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Kim Kiyosaki
And so did Max. So we come back, we may take a few minute break here, but I really want to thank you, Max. Like I said, you're an old friend I just met. And the main reason I called you is when every time you mentioned Bucky Fuller, I said, this guy's a whack job like me, apparently. And I really do suspect you're Satoshi. So we come back when we talk more to Max Keiser. I notice you never deny it. I think that's funny. But anyway, we come back, we'll be talking more about Buckminster Fuller of the future and some of his predictions. Because the critical path here this book here, which was signed by Fuller, I took it out to hang a poster of. You know, it's one of my favorite books here. That was 1981. But it's the Critical Path is what path is humanity on? And that's why Kim and I quit our jobs and all this. I got out of rock and roll and I said, what does God want done? So we come back, we're talking more with Max Keiser and the future of money. We'll be right.
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Robert Kiyosaki
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Kim Kiyosaki
Welcome back, Robert Kiyosaki, the Rich Dad Radio Show. The good news and bad news about money to have a very, very special guest. Like I said, an old friend I followed for years. Just met him for the first time just now. And we got a little plug here. You can listen to Rich Dad Radio radio show anytime, anywhere on Android and YouTube and all that stuff. And all of our programs are archived because we share it. We don't pitch anything, we don't sell anything. We just educate. And you can go to richdadradio.com, listen to this program again, share with friends, family and business associates and discuss. And you will learn twice as much by the discussion. Listen to it again. So our special guest today is Max Kaiser. And he's the only guy I know over all these years of listening he ever mentioned this guy, Dr. R. Buckminster Fuller. And Fuller really changed my life. It changed Kim's life. And he predicted Bitcoin, he predicted YouTube, he predicted the Internet because he was a futurist. But Critical Path here is an important book, Max, today, because it's pretty precarious today.
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Unknown
I'll give you an interesting exercise you can do, Robert, is that I have that book. I think I had to buy the book four or five times because you move and you lose stuff. And I'm like, where's my Critical Path? I think I'm up to my fifth copy. But it actually also works as a book of prophecy. Like you might use the I Ching, you know, with the I Ching you can, you can instruct mandala or a six sided symbol. And then you consult the book and it gives you prophetic insights into your future. And there's the whole Asian and Eastern kind of philosophy around this that's alien to most Western thoughts. But anyway, there it is. So with the Critical Path, you can randomly open the book to any page and put your finger down and read what's on there. And it works just like the I Ching. It's a book of prophecy into your personal journey as well. That's the amazing thing about the book. People who read it for the first time, they say this is actually a hard book to read because he does use his phrases like angular redundancy, right? So he makes up phrases or he creates phrases. He neologistically, he Creates these interesting phrases all the time, and they're completely alien to your ears. And you're like, where am I going on? Why is this man saying this? Right. So because he's taking you. He's breaking up your conscious thinking, and he's. He's probing you. And so you're bringing stuff out, and, and so that's the stuff you need to look at to know who you are and therefore where you're going.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Okay, so Max is saying he was critical path of humanity, and then he came out with Grunch of Giants, which was the Fed or beyond the Fed. Grunch was the people that controlled the Fed. And here we are today. He predicted bitcoin. He predicted YouTube. And so I want to ask Kim, any comments on that? Because why, why we started the company was to not be a victim of the future. He said, you know, we are to be the architects of the future, not as victims. And so with that, we formed the Rich Dad Company to do what God wanted done, which was educate. Yes.
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Max Keiser
And so my question. That's a great line, because we're designed to be architects of the future, not victims. And so my question to Max is, how do we, from where we are today, become and be those architects of the future? Because the future is looking rather chaotic.
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Unknown
Well, I'll tell you one thing and everyone can do is to find a soulmate, fall in love. And being in a marriage and being in love is one of the most rewarding things anyone can do. And it tells you about yourself in a way that you could never find out any other way. And that's. That is part of going into the future. So for a lot of people out there who are not with a significant other and they're having trouble finding a significant other, then the way to. Way to do that is to simply make yourself attractive. And you make yourself attractive by cutting out all of the habits that you might be involved with and just doing good habits and taking care of yourself. And you will find a partner. And once you find a partner, you're ready for life.
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Max Keiser
That was not the answer I was expecting. I was, I was thinking bitcoin, economy, money, the Fed.
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Unknown
Well, I think everybody is looking for the magic key, but the magic key is already we know from as humans what the magic key is. The magic key is love. And the way to express love is with another human being. And so partner up and, and, and, and go forward into this mysterious cosmic voyage on spaceship Earth.
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Kim Kiyosaki
So, you know, when I'm, As I said, 83, Fuller passed away in 84 was 84. Can we meet 84? 84, 84. And it was only because I said, I'm not going to be on rock and roll anymore. I'm not going to work for money. See, 1927, Fuller stopped working for money. And he said, I would only do what God wants done. And so I said, well, if it worked for him, he called it Guinea Pig B. I think I'll try that too. And I met Kim, and she says, well, let's try it. And we stopped working for money back in 1984. It's been one hell of a ride, huh, Kim?
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Max Keiser
It's been a hell of a ride. But magic happens when you commit to things like that.
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Unknown
Well, he had an amazing confidence in himself as an engineer, and so he had a vision. And that vision was engineering things like Geodesic Dome and other things that would be good for humanity. And we have somebody else in our midst these days, like an Elon Musk, who has incredible confidence as an engineer who is putting out things that are incredible products and scientific products and engineering products. And he's taken everybody on a bit of a journey. And he tries to articulate that journey in his own way. He's not a Buckminster Fuller, you know, he would never write a book like Critical Path. But he is somebody who I think we can look to as similar in, to some degree, because he's somebody who has that confidence in themselves. Steve Jobs is also somebody who had the confidence as an engineer, as somebody who felt that they could architect the future and future proof themselves. You know, then is that a gift? Is that. Can you learn that? Where does that come from? I think in Buckminster's, Fuller's case, he felt it was below the surface and he needed to reach in to grab that. And the only way he could do it was to make that statement, I'm not going to work for money. Because if you're working for money, it is a very short circuiting loop of the incentives are terrible. And you end up digging a personal and spiritual hole that you fall into. And so that's why a lot of people that I know and you know, and we've dealt with a lot of rich people throughout our careers, and many times rich people are miserable, you know, because they never really are on a journey of self discovery. And as a result, they are, are not miserable. I could. Conversely, I've met many people all over the world who have maybe $5 to their name who couldn't be happier because they are completely comfortable with themselves and they're completely comfortable with the world. And that to them is infinite riches. And when you say, you know, you could be a gazillionaire, they're like, I am already. I am of planet Earth. I am already a gazillionaire. You know, I don't need anymore. I am with Earth. I am part of Earth. You know, we. And you see this all over the world, Robert. And so this money is not the. Is not the difference.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Well, that's. So that's why he wrote Grunch of Giants. And that's why bitcoin. That's why he started sitting with bitcoin, because it was decentralized money defi. So he was way ahead of his times right there. And look at this. This is in Critical Path. The chapter is he said there was 4 billion billionaires today, 7.8 billion. But it says because we use the wrong cosmic accounting systems. And Rich dad poured it as a book on accounting. So anyway, he was so far ahead. And again, that's why Kim and I started this business. It was to do what we thought God wanted done, which was to educate and purely said, you're in the same business. So let me just say this much real quickly. Fuller said something because it's about Critical path. And in 1981, I'm sitting as about 100 people. This is Corkwood, California, on the shores of Lake Tahoe. And he says the reason he speaks in a goofy language and he speaks into the future, quote, unquote. He says, if people knew what I was saying, they would kill me. So he was speaking about the central banks and the school systems and all this stuff. He would murder me. So I write into the future and I use language they can't read. But he said to our group, he punished traips about 100 of us. He says it's going to be your generation that takes the fight. And so here we are today, taking the fight. And that's why I wanted to talk with you. And all this because you're in a fight.
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Unknown
I'm saying all along that this is going to end up in a major fight. I'm seeing it just in the last two weeks in the bitcoin community. I've been saying for years now that it doesn't matter how friendly the regulators are. It doesn't matter what corporations buy it or don't buy it. At the end of the day, this is going to end up in a fight. It's going to end up in a serious fight because this is so disruptive to such to the status quo and the legacy system.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Bitcoin takes apart grunch. That's why when 83, when I read, you know, he. 83, I read that book, went, oh, my God, what is this guy saying? But people couldn't understand him because he was writing about the future. And I have bad news for all of us listening to this program. Critical path is today.
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Kim Kiyosaki
So, Kim, what are we doing about it?
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Max Keiser
Yeah, so I just have a question for Max. When you say that there's gonna be a fight. Cause we agree there's this big fight coming. Is it a fight from centralized to decentralized? Is that the fight? What do you see as the fight?
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Unknown
Who? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a fight from centralized systems to decentralized systems. But we know from history that propaganda, Propaganda is not based on things that make sense. Propaganda is based on an emotional appeal. If you can emotionally get people to throw away reason and think purely on emotional basis, you know, you can rally them to do things against their own interest. So that's the only way they can attack the bitcoin folks, to get people to attack them. But here's the great thing, Robert, is that bitcoin is designed to attract attacks. And that's the game theory built into the protocol. Now we've got central banks hating each other and nation states hating each other. So El Salvador was the bravest and first to come out and say, we're going to make it legal tender. Okay? It makes perfect sense given their history. Read John Perkins book Confessions of an Economic Hitman. You know why El Salvador would be one of the first countries to come out with a legal tender for bitcoin? Therefore, price goes up. So the more they attack it, the more the price goes up. And at the end of the day, they only have one weapon in their arsenal, and that's money printing. So I say attack me all day long, because I know what you. The way you attack me is by printing money. And therefore my bitcoin's only going to go higher. You know, attack me all day with your money printing. You know, I don't care. Here's my money gun. Where's my Money. Where's my money? I got my money. Guns. They're all empty. Nevertheless, hit me. Hit me with your best shot.
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Max Keiser
And are they just so afraid because there's so much power behind bitcoin and so many people are. Does it have the possibility to wipe out the monetary system or change it? Definitely change it.
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Unknown
Well, it's happening right now because you are replacing as Buckminster Fuller go back to his work. The design is disruptive. It's this immutable network that gives private property rights to billions of people potentially. And you can't censor it. I can say we can transact with it at any third party intermediary. It's unconfiscatable and mathematically certain to go up in purchasing power. I mean, if you look at the three major categories of investment, you've got fiat money, gold, and bitcoin. Fiat money is not volatile, but you're guaranteed to lose purchasing power. Gold is somewhat volatile over time, you know, not a little bit. And you're guaranteed to maintain purchasing power. Bitcoin is volatile, and you're guaranteed to increase purchasing power. Guaranteed. Now, I started on Wall Street. You very rarely, if ever, ever use the word guaranteed. But I can guarantee you, because I know two plus two equals four. I know mathematics is real. I know E equals MC squared. I know the bitcoin protocol is mathematically guaranteeing increase in purchasing power in a world of all fiat money. We only have had a world of all fiat money since 1971, when Nixon closed the gold standard. And the only way they can fight is to print more money. Therefore, I can categorically say emphatically, you have guaranteed purchasing power with bitcoin. And I'm willing to accept a little volatility for that.
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Kim Kiyosaki
So the. So the. So the critical path is. We're coming to that fight now. We're in it right now.
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Unknown
Yeah, we're in the fight.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Hey, anyway, exactly as you're saying, it's like when you point to a chapter. One of my favorite chapters in critical path is legally piggly. You know, it's how corrupt our legal system is today. So, anyway, Max, you know, we're out of time. Like I said, you're an old friend. We just met. You're the only guy I know that. Understood. Fuller and I appreciate you continuing the fight. Final words, Kim.
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Max Keiser
I just appreciate you, Max, and look forward to learning more. I just want to also, you are the host of the Kaiser Report. Most people know this already, but you're the host of the Kaiser Report and Orange Pill Podcast. So that's where you find Max. Well, thank you for your gift. Thank you for the work you're doing, Max. It's so important, so appreciate it.
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Unknown
All right, well, great chatting with you.
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Kim Kiyosaki
Keep up the good work. Thank you very much for being part of the Rich Dad Radio Show.
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Max Keiser
This podcast is a presentation of Rich Dad Media Network.
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Kim Kiyosaki
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Robert Kiyosaki
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Unknown
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