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Why the Dollar Is Failing and Bitcoin Was Inevitable
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Natalie Brunell
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The good news and bad news about money. Here's Robert Kiyosaki.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Hello, ROBERT Kiyosaki, Rich Dad Radio Show. I'm broadcasting from beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, where it's either heaven or hell. And right now it's heaven. It'll soon be hot as hell. By way, our guest today is Natalie Brunell. She's the author of the book called Bitcoin is for Everyone. And the reason I wanted Natalie on board here is I'm the old guy. I'm up there with Warren Buffett and Peter Schiff and myself and Buffett and Schiff, they talk badly about bitcoin and I think that's really stupid personally, I'll say that publicly. Why would you be against bitcoin? But they have to talk their book, you know, so Peter Schiff sells gold, so he has to talk his book against bitcoin. And Buff is just an old guy. He's 90 something years old. And I think I have more golden shift. I mean I actually start gold mines. So this is a gold mine I took public. And I love gold, I love silver, I love bitcoin, I love Ethereum. I just don't like the Federal Reserve Bank. And America today is the biggest debtor nation in world history. And when I was born in the 40s world, the richest country in the world, but because of the Federal Reserve Bank. And I asked people to study this book here, it's called the Creature from Jekyll Island. You can see I study. I was a real stupid kid in school, but I do study. And the Creature from Jekyll island is about the Federal Reserve bank which was 1913 or something like that. And a creature from Jekyll island also brought on board 19. The Federal Reserve bank also brought on the Internal Revenue Service. Taxation and America was found as a tax free nation in 1773, as you know, was the call of Boston Tea Party and we revolted against taxes. And if you study the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx, who was an intellectual, said that the object of communism was the abolition of private property, labor unions, workers of the world unite in taxation. And what Marx said was that taxation was essential for the spread of communism. So when the Federal Reserve bank was kicked in from Jekyll island, it was communism taking over America. That's how I see it. I'm a US Marine, I went to military school. I fought against communism in Vietnam twice. So I'm very much anti communist. I just don't understand why guys like Schiff and Buffett would have to downplay bitcoin. Because the real enemy isn't bitcoin. The real enemy is the Federal Reserve bank and our treasury that prints fake money. And now America's the biggest debtor nation in world history. That's the problem. So our guest today is Natalie Brunel. She's infamous for, for bitcoin. And I love what you're doing, Natalie. And I have lots of bitcoin. I've made millions off of it. I got started real late. I got started at 6,000 and I'm still doing pretty good. I'm still in the money out there. So anyway, welcome to the show, Natalie.
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Natalie Brunell
Oh, thank you so so much for having me. This is quite an honor. You did very well on bitcoin. And it just goes to show you how open minded you have been because I think for so many people the ego gets in way they heard about bitcoin, they could have bought it, you know, much cheaper. And it does take a little bit of unlearning what you think you know, especially about the financial system which you've done such a great job throughout the years educating the public on enemy is.
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Robert Kiyosaki
The Fed and the US and we have a president today. I wrote two books with him named Donald Trump. He's, he and his sons who are friends of mine, Don Jr. And Eric, they're very pro bitcoin. And so every time Schiff gets on television, Chef's one of the smartest guys I know. I mean I've, I've never debated with him because it'd be a waste of my time. He's very smart, but he just hates bitcoin. So does Buffett. And if they treated it like any commodity trade, they'd be Okay, I made millions. I bought it. I wish I bought it at six. Yeah, six dollars. I bought it at 6,000. But I still, still doing. And I'm still in the money. So anyway. So Natalie, how'd you get into bitcoin?
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Natalie Brunell
Sure. So for me it was actually a really interesting journey that I think really has to date back to my humble beginnings. I was raised in a communist country, or I was born into one. My parents were raised in Poland and so they dreamt of coming to the United States for the American dream and the economic opportunity here. So they left when I was very young. We were able to come here, move to the Chicago area and they started over. They learned the language, they asked for nothing, they expected nothing from the government. They just wanted a chance. And really it was a self sacrifice so that their children would have a better life. So I grew up watching them work really, really hard. And I went off to college and the great financial crisis hit. And just before I had gone to college, they were finally able to achieve a modest version of the American dream. Purchase a small townhouse outside of the Chicago. And then the great financial cris. And they lost everything and they had to file for bankruptcy. And so I graduated into that recession in 09, thinking, well, this system is very unfair and broken. All the bankers are getting bailed out and people like my family are losing their home that they worked so hard for, played by all the rules. And that's when I knew something was wrong. I could recognize that there was a problem. And I went out into the world as a reporter to pursue a career in journalism. And I was reporting on so many of these issues and symptoms that were ultimately rooted in this broken financial system. But I didn't know it at the time. So I was reporting on the increasing cost of living and the growing fragmentation, the, the, the political polarization and people just feeling so frustrated that they're working harder than ever, but they're not able to afford what a generation or two ago was much easier. And as you've pointed out in your writings, they don't teach you in school that you need to accumulate assets, but because the world is really built on inflation and a system of printing money. So I learned about Bitcoin in 2017 when it was about 3,000 a coin. And like so many people, I initially dismissed it. I thought, well, it's digital, it could be hacked, I'm going to lose all my money. But I went on a years long journey of really studying the financial system to come to the conclusion that bitcoin is the best form of money that has ever existed, the hardest form of money. It improves on the properties of gold. And I think it will be the base layer for our economy going forward as the base layer of capital that we can build on to have a more fair system that offers opportunity to more people.
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Robert Kiyosaki
You sound very much like a bitcoiner. You know, being. Being an old guy like Buffett and Schiff. You know, I have tons of gold, I have tons of silver. I have Ethereum, I have Bitcoin. And I just don't like the Fed, you know, and the Fed is communism. Centralized banking, anything that's centralized. So the real problem is our banking system, because.
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Natalie Brunell
Right. And it's. And it's the thing that none of us are taught. It's the thing that no one understands. That's why I tried to break it down as simply as I could. And bitcoin is, for everyone, kind of describing how this banking system actually works and why the fact that we can print money out of thin air, that destroys our purchasing power. And to your point, since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913, the dollar has lost 99% of its value. And so people are struggling, and they don't really know why. And I think they're putting the blame on the wrong things. And that's what makes me actually, the saddest is to look out and see how politically charged everything has become. And people actually craving the type of government that my family fled, that offered no opportunity, that removed the ability to property. We're seeing it right now happen potentially in New York City. Right. But instead, we need to point at what you. What you said. It's the financial system that's to blame, and we have the opportunity to fix it. And I think if Bitcoin didn't exist, I would be the hugest gold bug. I really would. But I think that one of the reasons that we're here is because of some of the flaws in gold's properties. In a digital world, in a world where we're really just connected economies across the world, it's very difficult to transfer and settle gold. You have to verify that it's actually there. I mean, has anyone audited Fort Knox, for example? Right. You can't just send it across the world in a matter of seconds and have it actually settle. But with Bitcoin, you can. That's why I think it's a great comparison to say bitcoin is like digital gold because it takes the properties that ultimately led to papering over gold, led to the Fiat system, you know. Oh, you know, just trust us. We have it in our reserves, but we're going to paper over it and obscure it. And now all of a sudd and we're in this world of fractional reserve banking where you have no money actually backing our currency, nothing of actual value. We don't have a gold standard. I think that's where things went really wrong. And unfortunately, I mean, we could take a step back and gold is certainly better than us Treasuries and its properties, but we live in a digital world. So I think we need something digital as a form of capital and as a hard asset going forward.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Well spoken about. True bitcoiner. I have it all. I don't know why people. I mean, I started my own gold mine, you know, and I took it public and it's called capitalism and I've made freaking millions off of it. So why don't everybody do that? I don't understand. So I talked to bitcoiners and bitcoiners don't invite me to their conferences because I own gold, silver, bitcoin, ethereum. And I'm going to. You don't have to make one right, other one wrong. Each one has a different value system. I'd be buying silver up to yin yang. I own lots of silver. I started silver mines and silver is going to make the biggest jump ever. I think today's around 80 bucks and it's going to jump to maybe 200 the next two years. So I'd rather play that than make gold or silver or bitcoin or ethereum. Right or wrong, I just play the game. So that's why. That's why every time I talk to Schiff, he was trying to sell me some gold cufflinks once I'm going, give me a break, Peter. Gold cufflinks may be gold, but they're not liquid. You know, at least a Ruger rand is liquid. I can take gold and spend it anywhere. But I don't know why people make something right or wrong. Want to own it all. That's my point of view. So that's why I invited you on this program because you speak for a generation that's a lot younger than mine. And the boomers are in serious trouble because when this stock market crashes, the S P500 crashes, the retirement's a shot. And Natalie, what I've been saying, which I get, I'm not very popular for it because these financial planners, they say the 60, 40, 60% stocks, 40% bonds, I go. And the Japanese and Chinese are dumping our bonds. Wake up. You know, so that's why I'm very happy you're part of this program. And for the younger generation, I just ask people to keep an open mind. Each has a strength and a weakness. So, you know, if I could take a bitcoin mining company public, I might look at it. But I only make money when I go public and very few people can do that. So I don't, I don't talk much about that anyway. So when we come back, we'll be talking to you more about why you like bitcoin so much. But also be aware that I'm very anti making one right or wrong each of the strength and weakness. And today silver, in my opinion is 70 bucks going to 80. And I think it's going to go to 200. So Bitcoin, everybody says going to 2 million like sailor, he might be right. But anyway, I think bitcoin's a fabulous way of getting rich. So we come back when we talk more to Natalie Bunnell. We'll be right back.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Welcome back. Robert Kiyosaki, the Rich dad Radio Show. Our guest today is Natal Brunel. He's a troublemaker. He's one of these bitcoin advocates, was making old guys like me look bad and all this. And we're talking about why, you know, I'm not talking about her, but why do people like Schiff, who's my age, and both that. Who's my age? They make bitcoin wrong. And gold and silver Right. And Buffett makes bonds. Right. And we have a president who is my friend Donald Trump, who wrote two books together and he's called the bitcoin president. So the world is wide open right now and in my opinion, the big problem is the Federal Reserve Bank. There's a book called the Creature from Jekyll Island. I suggest people read it. You understand that communism is based on centralized banking and we're communists. So we have a frickin Nazi communist as mayor of New York City. Why does that happen? Because when you print money, inflation goes up. And today the people, young women, like I was. Natalie, I was watching the. How did this guy, was this Mondami or whatever his name get elected? Well, it was primarily young women. And the reason young women are upset is because men are so freaking incompetent today they can't find a husband who makes enough money who can afford the rent. So that's why they invited, they invited communists in there. I think it's just a sick Sick world. So I want Natalie on board so we can keep an open mind as goals over. Bitcoin, Ethereum, all have their advantages. And can you play it all like real estate? I own tons of real estate, but real estate is debt. I'm a billion two in debt. There's so many opinions out there. So I wanted Natalie to speak about bitcoin because she's making big waves out there. She's a troublemaker. So welcome to the program, Natalie.
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Natalie Brunell
Thank you for having me. Well, the core theme in what you're saying is hard assets. You need to save in something that they cannot print and inflate away from you, because that's what our world is based on, which is a system ultimately. I mean, if it's. Everything's built on debt, why not take out debt? You can leverage that debt, and that's how people have generated a lot of wealth for themselves. But the problem is, what if people are stopping to trust the debt that underlies everything? Right? I mean, that's what we're seeing around the world. And I'd love to talk about that with you.
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Robert Kiyosaki
You keep going. Because like I said, I said listening to the old guys and young guys and Trump and myself, and everybody's got their opinion, and I said, why not have it?
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Robert Kiyosaki
Right.
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Natalie Brunell
Yeah. Well, I know a lot of people are turning back to gold, turning to silver. All of these are performing very well. And I think if you zoom out, the big picture is really important. I think that we're moving from a world that relied on this one trusted reserve asset tied to a sovereign nation, which, by the way, is an iou. Paper promises. We're moving from that to a world that increasingly prefers neutral settlement again, because trust really has broken down and the system is getting more political and more fragile.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Print money. The rich get richer and poor, middle class get poorer. So who was the guy, Thomas Jefferson, who said if you allow a central bank, which the Fed is Kitchen Jekyll island, that children will wake up homeless in the land that their parents fought for way back when. Thomas Jefferson. Because they tried central banks before, and the Fed is central bank, which is communism. And I.
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Natalie Brunell
And I think Jefferson also said paper is only the ghost of money. It is not money itself. Right. It's just a promise. It's an iou.
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Robert Kiyosaki
I love debt, you know, because I use debt to buy money, buy assets. Now. That.
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Natalie Brunell
Right. Buy real money.
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Robert Kiyosaki
So, anyway, what advice do you have for old guys like me?
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Natalie Brunell
Well, I mean, I certainly think that everyone should embrace bitcoin. That's Why I wrote this book, the First Half. You might be surprised, guys, that despite this title, the first half is not even about bitcoin at all. The first Half is about why you need to own assets, what inflation really is, how the Federal Reserve bank works, how the banks print money. And I think it's just a really core introduction to money itself and why we aren't able to save easily anymore and why people complain today, right? They're working so hard, but they need three jobs in a side hustle to afford the house that the parents could afford on just one income. So my book breaks all of that down. And I think that we are just in this really transformative shift globally. I think for a long time, markets behaved like capital and liquidity were the main constraints. But I think the constraints now are becoming physical again. They are commodities, they're energy, they're industrial capacity, their supply chains. And those are the things you can't print. You can't print energy. That's what makes bitcoin so great, because it's backed by energy. And you can't print time, the time that it takes to make, you know, all the things that we actually need. You can make money out of thin air. And that's why I think hard assets are not just an inflation hedge. That's not the only story. They are really a geopolitical hedge. And they're a necessity now. And we know that the fiscal burden.
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Robert Kiyosaki
They're speaking above the language of my crowd now. See, my generation, my family fought against Japan. That's how, you know, our family was put in concentration camps in California. And we fought against being. We fought to liberate the Jews of Eastern Europe, to get them out of Dachau and those guys and Bucharest. Those guys. So history proves we don't learn from our history. But the Japanese, they save cash. What message does Natalie Brunel after these idiots, highly educated people who are saving US Dollars for the long term?
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Natalie Brunell
Well, they're like a melting ice cube. And I can relate because that's what my family did for so long. And that's why my family really fell behind, because it wasn't. It wasn't a thing back in Poland to invest in the stock market. And people didn't own. Most of them didn't own property because they grew up under communism. So here, you know, we think we exist in a capitalist system, but we really don't. I mean, you've made so many of the great points already. We have a central bank that controls our money and destroys our purchasing power. And so the average person, if they're saving in dollars.
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Robert Kiyosaki
And not only that, if you save money, I seem, you know, Peter, what's a sailor? What's my. What's his first name? My guy's a smart dude, man. Yes. He makes. He makes it so crystal clear. And it was him and a bunch of other guys turned my head into Bitcoin. Okay, I got it. But I have to keep. You know what they say. Human mind is like a parachute. The mind only works, and the parachute only works when the mind's open. And a lot of people are so close to Bitcoin. Like, I was being told, why'd you invest in Bitcoin? Because I made 6 million bucks last year. But they would rather save dollars because they're so old and stupid.
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Natalie Brunell
Well, you know, I feel like every time a transformative new technology comes around, and we've seen it in our lifetimes with, you know, the Internet, for example, people tend to underestimate how much it will affect their lives. And I think it's. It's natural to be resistant to a new technology and a paradigm shift. I think that it's actually a good thing to be kind of skeptical and ask the right questions. But at some point, I think that you have to open your mind and realize that the world is changing. The world is already. I mean, it's changing faster and faster, exponentially. With things like advanced technologies like AI, for example, you have to realize that dollars might not be the currency forever. We've seen multiple nations currencies once serve as the global reserve. And then there was a shift and we moved to something else. So I think. I think it's really important to us.
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Robert Kiyosaki
This AI is going to cause more unemployment. You know, UPS fired, like 40,000 people, and people still say to their kids, oh, go to school, get a safety care job, and save money and buy U.S. bonds. I mean, how stupid are you? Why don't you. Right?
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Natalie Brunell
And I think they're increasingly going to be wanting the handouts from the government, asking for things like universal basic income, because we're effectively marrying people to the state now, relying so much on the public sector, when really all true value and wealth is created in the private sector.
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Robert Kiyosaki
But also, Natalie, you have a. You have a head start because you came from a former communist country, and now it's called the European Union. Germany is going bankrupt, England's going bankrupt, Japan's going bankrupt, China's going bankruptcy. And we're still saying to our kids, and AI is coming on, and we're still Saying, I go to school so you get a safe, secure job when they're firing thousands of people today. I mean, it's so stupid. Yeah, I can't believe it now.
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Natalie Brunell
I know, I know. And I. I think that it's something that you really have to take into consideration, like, what kinds of jobs are AI proof, Right. Because the world really is shifting fast. And I think it's gonna. We're gonna see more robots and AI applications that are really, really taking a massive chunk of the labor market. And what are those people going to do? And what types of people are they going to want to elect? Right. And they probably don't own assets because we've seen that there is a massive concentration in who actually owns assets in our country and who benefits from the inflation that we've seen. So, I mean, that's one of the reasons why I felt so passionate about something like bitcoin, because there are a lot of great assets out there that can generate wealth. But as far as ones that are truly very accessible to the average person around the world, I think bitcoin is up there, if not the top one, because you can start to accumulate just a satoshi at a time, just a little bit at a time. You can't buy a fraction of a beachfront property in Miami. I'd love to, but I can't.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Like I said, I started buying Bitcoin at 6K 6000, and I remember my friend saying, that's stupid. It's so high. Well, today is retraced back down from like 120 to 90. I'm still in the money, and I've made so much money on bitcoin as I really don't understand the old guys and old thinking. So one last thing I'm going to ask you is how much do you remember of growing up in a communist country that's now called the European Union?
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Natalie Brunell
Well, I was very young when we moved, so I rely a lot on the stories of my parents, some of which I share in. Bitcoin is for everyone. And the picture that they've painted for me of the way that they grew up is really a dark one. There were food lines. And my mom says that when I was very little, she was waiting in line for meat, for example, and when she got to the front, there was nothing left. And so I started to cry, and she started to cry. And the woman in front of us turned around and shared some of hers, which she obviously didn't even have enough for her family. But she was moved to share some of what she had with us, I mean, this is what communism gives you. There's a total control over resources, a misallocation of them across the board, and scarcity that results. So, you know, you, you. My mom. My mom always said she had money and there was nothing to buy at the store.
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Robert Kiyosaki
That's why I think, you know, coming from a communist country, like, I have friends who are Cuban, they ran from Cuba and they're so anti communism, yet American kids their wokeism and we're teaching communism. It's just really sad.
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Natalie Brunell
Well, and there's this spin on it, right? Mamdani said it himself in New York, the warmth of collectivism, that we have to take care of each other. And he demonized individualism. Individualism is what built America. It's what created a place that so many people around the world look to as a source of hope, as a source of opportunity, that they were willing to sacrifice everything to be able to come here. And he is demonizing it and saying that, you know, we'll just. Everyone will own everything together. You won't own anything, but you'll be happy. And I think that is very dangerous. And I think that's why we need to educate. We just need to educate people about economics and about money and about financial freedom and about why they need to acquire assets and protect private.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Today we have a bitcoin president, Donald.
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Natalie Brunell
Yes, we do.
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Robert Kiyosaki
I just don't understand. And I was with Charlie Kirk when the Arizona State University, the professors shut us down. And while most people don't realize that Marx is very much like a college professor, they think just because they have a college degree, they're better than you. And you and I know those professors that can't even tie their shoelaces, much less tell us how to live our lives. So, Dali, you keep up the good work because we need young, beautiful, powerful, articulate women like you leading the charge. And thank you for being on the rich. Dad, show us your book again.
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Natalie Brunell
Well, thank you so much for having me. It's truly been an honor. Thank you for the work that you do to educate people. I hope everyone checks out. Bitcoin is for everyone. Again, half of it's not even about bitcoin, but you may be pleasantly surprised that your views change on the same.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Team on that one. Boy, the real problem is communism. Thank you, Natalie. And when I come back with a final word from Richard. So again, thank you, Natalie Brunel. Better buck. Bitcoin is for everyone.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Welcome back. Robert Kiyosaki State Radio Show. First, thank you Natalie Brunel in her book Bitcoin is for everyone. I asked, I did. I wanted her on the program especially because she comes from a communist country. Like I said, my friends who are Cubans, they hate communism. And now one's a mayor of New York City. And a lot of that's because we have no financial education in our school. And the gap between rich and poor is getting wider. And the reason the gap gets wider is because when you print money, inflation goes up. So guys with real gold, silver and bitcoin doesn't make any difference. They go up in value, but if you're holding. But also what goes up is chicken, eggs and french fries. So the gap gets bigger. So that's why I wanted Natalie on board. Just FYI, a couple of announcements. I'll be at the vric. This is in Vancouver, Real Source Investment conference. It's on January 25th and 26th, if you want to find out about gold and gold mining. I started it as a gold miner. I own tons of gold. And the other one I'll be at is in Charlotte, North Carolina. February 3rd is called Aspire. Aspirv is for those of you want to, you know, increase your financial education. So I'll be speaking at that. I'll be speaking in Vancouver Resource Investment Conference. And I'll also be speaking for real estate on the Real Estate Guys Cruise. So those are the things I'm going to speak at. I like real estate because I use debt and I don't pay taxes. I mean, what is easier than that? What is so hard about that? And all this was all live debt free was a Dave Ramsey. He's a friend of mine, but he also lived debt free. And his advice is good for most people who are fucking stupid. If you don't know how to use debt, don't use it. But I have to learn how to use debt, which is what I have the cash flow board game for, to teach you how to use debt to make more money. Nothing's right, nothing's wrong, except being stupid. So again, thank you to Natalie Brunel. I'll be at the VRIC coming up Vancouver Resource Investment Conference. I'll be on the Real Estate Guys Cruise. And then Also in Charlotte, North Carolina, February 3rd aspire tour. Only if you want to learn more about money. Or you can be really stupid and go to school, get another college degree. Thank you, Robert Kiyosaki British Show. Once again, thank you to Natalie Burnell. Thank you.
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Natalie Brunell
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