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Austin Hankwitz
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Robert Kiyosaki
In this week's episode of the Rich Habits podcast, we're talking about the belief that quietly destroys more financial futures than almost anything else. I'll start investing when I make more money. We hear it constantly. At $60,000, people think six figures will solve everything. At $100,000, people are shocked how it doesn't feel much different. And even at $250,000, some of the highest earners in the country are still living paycheck to paycheck. So today we're going to prove that, with real numbers, what wealth building actually looks like at each stage. From the from sixty thousand, a hundred thousand, and even $250,000 annual household incomes.
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Austin Hankwitz
Robert before we dive in, though, I think it's really important that we anchor this conversation with a stat that should motivate everyone listening right now, regardless of where they're starting. No matter what your income level is, this stat should get you excited. A 2025 survey found that Americans consider a net worth of about $2.3 million to be wealthy and $839,000 of a net worth financially comfortable those numbers. The good news here again is that that's all attainable on just that $60,000 salary. They are also completely out of reach on a $250,000 salary because it doesn't matter exactly how much you make 60, 100, $250,000 a year if you are not being intentional in managing your money how you should, like we say all the time, it's not what you make, it's what you keep. And if you make 250,000 and spend 275,000, you're going backwards. While someone who makes 60,000 and only spends 50,000 is making more progress every single year than you, despite making a lot less money.
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Robert Kiyosaki
And that's why so many teachers, engineers and accountants become millionaires over time. Teachers are literally the third most common job held by millionaires in America. And teachers annual salaries are 72,000 doll dollars a year. And one third of millionaires in America never made a six figure salary. So let that sink in. It's so important to understand. It's all about the processes and the saving rate.
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Austin Hankwitz
So, Robert, let's now walk people through how to build wealth on 60,000, how to build wealth on 100,000, and how to build wealth on $250,000 salaries. Kicking things off with the $60,000 salary because that is where a lot of the wealth building journeys actually begin. And it's where I began. I started making, I think it was 62,500 per year my first year out of college. It is also where the most common mistake happens. That mistake is waiting. Waiting until your income goes up, waiting until your debt goes down, waiting until life feels a little less tight. Waiting until you have kids, waiting until you get the bonus, waiting until you buy the house. Waiting in general is the mistake people make here at that $60,000 a year range. Because the problem with WA is that the most powerful wealth building tool available to anyone, no matter their salary, is time. And every year that you wait to take action costs you more than the income you've been waiting to earn. So the foundation at this income level isn't about picking the right investments or timing things and making sure that, oh no, I'll start investing after this is, or I'll start doing this, or I got to get the house first, got to have the kids, got to go into that big nice vacation, or I got to get the bonus. Do not wait. It's about Building the financial structure that makes every everything else possible. So when your income inevitably rises, your wealth building explodes.
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Robert Kiyosaki
That is so powerful to me because over the last 35 years of doing everything I do and helping people along the way, and now in the rich habits network and throughout our ecosystem, so many people are always waiting on the sidelines because they think they need massive amounts of income and money to get started. And it's so, so wrong. So if you find yourself getting started at 60,000, step one is that emergency fund we're always talking about three to six months of essential expenses sitting in a high yield savings account. Good to go and ready. Because without an emergency fund, every unexpected expense becomes debt, or cashing in on your investments. And debt at high interest rates is the single most efficient way to undo every bit of financial progress you're making currently. Remember, it takes several months to save that emergency fund, not a few. So don't panic. Sometimes it might take you eight to 12 months, but you'll get there if you stay consistent.
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Austin Hankwitz
And once you've done that, the next priority while you're in this 60,000 a year income range is paying off that high interest debt. Credit cards, personal loans, anything above 7 or 8% interest rate, you got to pay it off by Paying off that 22% interest rate credit card is equivalent to a guaranteed 22% return on your money. There is no investment in the planet that's going to guarantee you you 22% like that. So before you start talking about brokerage accounts or real estate or whatever cool, fun, sexy thing is, think about paying off that high interest debt.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Yeah, probably one of the best things we've said over the years on the podcast is you can't out invest high interest debt. And in this episode, that's why we're covering this. Because I see people all the time that have all this credit card debt over here at 25 or 30%, but they're over here investing in Bitcoin or V or the things we want them to invest in. Got to get this out of the way first. So now that you have your emergency fund up and running and you're not drowning in credit card debt, think about our phrase match beats Roth beats taxable. Because every dollar your employer matches to your 401k contribution is 100% instant return on investment before your money even touches the market. So passing that up is one of the most expensive financial decisions a person can make. And a lot of people at this income level are making it because they feel they can't afford to contribute any. In almost every case, they can't afford not to.
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Austin Hankwitz
Yeah, Robert, the US personal savings rate in 2025 or so was sitting around 4%. The recommended rate for building long term wealth is between 15 and 20%. That gap is massive. And closing in on it, even just partially, by contributing up to the match in your 401k and also toward your Roth IRA, even if it means you're only, you know, getting up to, let's call it 6, 8, 10% total invested against your annual salary. That will put you, despite it not being the 15 or 20% that you hear online, that 6, 8, 10% is going to put you dramatically ahead of most Americans. The people who build real wealth with modest incomes are the ones who are completely indifferent to how their financial choices look to other people. They live below their means before they earn more money in their careers and even after they earn more money, they continue to live below their means. They invest the margin.
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Robert Kiyosaki
There's also a moment at $60,000 where the honest conversation is about income growth, not just expense management. Because if you cut everything cuttable, you're capturing the full 401k match. You have your emergency fund, you're contributing to your Roth ira, and you're still finding it nearly impossible to build any margin. That is a signal to focus your energy on increasing income. We say this a lot where you either have an income problem, a spending problem, or both. And at this $60,000 range, it might not be a spending problem. You just need to increase your income. A second job, maybe it's a skill that pays higher, a side hustle, whatever that may be. At some income levels, optimization only goes so far and you have to grow that top line to have less stress and a less of a tighter margin.
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Austin Hankwitz
So now, Robert, let's pretend someone grew that top line to a hundred thousand. I'm sure there's a ton of people listening right now whose household incomes here are a hundred thousand dollars or more. So let's talk about how to build wealth on this salary. And Robert, I'd also argue this six figure salary, the hundred, 110, 120, this range is the most complicated psychologically because in your brain you're thinking, listen man, I made it. I'm at six figures, I've arrived. And for a lot of people it genuinely is a meaningful milestone. I remember making $108,000 one year and I was like, let's go dude, I did it. I made over 100 grand. But a recent survey found that 83% of adults earning at least $100,000 have a retirement savings plan. But what that statistic doesn't share is how much money is in that retirement savings plan. Having a plan and executing a plan are two very different things.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Yeah, this episode really strikes home for me because I remember in my twenties telling myself every day, if I can just get to $100,000 a year, I am set. And then I crossed that threshold and I was like, all right, if I could just get to 150,000, I'm going to be rich every step of the way. If you continue to level up your lifestyle, it just seems so unattainable to get ahead. And that's why this episode is so important. And to be honest, the brutal truth about $100,000 in income is that it's comfortable. But comfortable and wealthy are not the same thing. At this income level, you can afford a nicer apartment, a newer car, better restaurants, more travel, and most people take all of those upgrades at once. And that's lifestyle creep. And in my opinion, it's the biggest killer of wealth at this income level. Because your income went up, your fixed expenses followed immediately, and your savings rate barely moved.
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Austin Hankwitz
That's right. The people who break out of this zone are the ones who make one specific decision. When their income rises, they keep their fixed expenses stable and they route the difference toward wealth building assets and activities. The target at $100,000 is again that savings rate of 10, 15, 20%. And on the surface sounds pretty aggressive. Whoa, guys, you want me to invest 15,000, $20,000 per year? The national average is only 4%. How am I going to achieve that? You're right, it's definitely aggressive, but it's what's actually going to move the needle over that 10, 20, 30, 40 year period of time for your wealth building. And at 100,000 dol, you have real tools available to you right now that were not that impactful. At 60,000, for example, match beats Roth beats taxable. It's really useful here. Up to the match with your 401k, max out your Roth IRA at $7500 back to 401k contributions. Assuming you have autonomy on those investments and you're not just getting thrown into some cookie cutter target date fund. But you can choose the index funds you want to be invested into and if not, that's fine. Go take that money that you would have use to max out that 401k, put it in a taxable brokerage account on public.com and get those index funds in ETFs we talk about. You can really turbocharge your investing here at this $100,000 range that you could not have done only at 60,000.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Also, Austin tax strategies also become meaningfully more important at $100,000 in a way that it wasn't at $60,000. And at this income level, you're likely in a 22 to 24% federal tax bracket. And the decisions you make about pre tax versus post tax contributions, about deductions, how you hold investments, those decisions have real dollar consequences. And one framework I love for this is when income increases, put at least half of that increase towards wealth building before you do any upgrades to your lifestyle. I want to say that again, as your income increases, take half of it. Invest it towards your future before you level up your lifestyle. Because it's so, so important because of every time you make more, you spend more. You're never going to get ahead. You still get to enjoy the raise, but you get to build something durable with it at the same time. And the upgrade can come after the investments are already set up and running and building towards your future.
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Austin Hankwitz
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Robert Kiyosaki
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Austin Hankwitz
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Robert Kiyosaki
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Austin Hankwitz
So now let's wrap up the episode Robert with how to build wealth on a $250,000 household income. Because at this income level, this is where all conventional wisdom completely breaks down. We've seen this in the stats. What is it? 40% of people making a quarter Million a year, living paycheck to paycheck. Like, this is very important, you guys listen up, because I know a lot of you are in this range, I would argue probably a third quarter. Third of people listening to this podcast episode, their household income is 200, 2 50, 300, 350. So, like, y' all need to take notes right now at this income level, options, flexibility, it's all there. But in terms of practicality, a lot of it starts to break down. These high earners, they're being documented 40%. They're still living paycheck to paycheck. And it's more common than you guys might think. So, Robert, let's walk through how people can start building wealth at $250,000 a year. Household income, salaries.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Yeah, there's actually a number of high earning professionals. Let's talk about the doctors, the lawy. As the senior executives who have massive incomes and almost no net worth, their income rises dramatically, but lifestyle rises to match it immediately. Taxes take a substantial cut because there's no tax planning. And the remaining money goes towards status. The house, the cars, the private schools, the country clubs, all the fancy dinners. And a $250,000 income can evaporate just as completely as a $60,000 income if the structure and discipline isn't there. This is the most important thing. I don't care how much you're making. You have to have the structure and the discipline to build wealth and become financially free.
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Austin Hankwitz
So the first thing from my perspective to think about when you're at this income level is the tax burden. Because your tax burden when you make 250, 300, 350, whatever. Like, if you're above 250, taxes are no longer like, oh, yeah, I do my taxes. It's like, no, you need to do tax planning. Right? There's real, like, we're talking thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars that you could be optimizing for. Between federal income tax, state income tax, payroll tax, a $250,000 earner might net somewhere between 165 and 185, depending on their situation. That is still a lot of money, but it's meaningfully less than the gross number that they signed on their, you know, salary. Hi, I'll make 250. They got that in their brain now, but now they're only taking home 170 or whatever. Right? So you got to make sure you keep that in mind. It's a lot of high earners. They fail to mentally account for that gap when they're Making these lifestyle commitments for the 1100 dollar BMW lease or the $4800 mortgage.
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Robert Kiyosaki
So at this income level, tax strategy is just not optional. For example, my yearly income is much higher than $250,000 a year. So I take tax strategy very seriously. I work with bunch of professionals and we identify together about six, seven things that I should be doing differently every single year. That's going to put roughly $200,000 back in my pocket in the coming year of 2026. That would have gone to the IRS if I didn't have these strategies and the team to help me figure it out. There are real strategies to consider and at $250,000 a year in income or more, you shouldn't be relying on TurboTax or even ChatGPT to do your annual returns. Get a professional, spend the time and get ahead of it so you can really optimize your money. Because we always say it's not what you make, it's what you keep. And also real estate enters the conversation at $250,000 a year in a way that it doesn't at lower income levels because now you have the capital for down payments and the income to be able to absorb, carry costs and other associated fees and cash flowing. Real estate properties that generate income after expenses is one of the most effective wealth building vehicles at these income levels because it combines appreciation with cash flow while also offering meaningful tax advantages through depreciation. And this is something that I've been doing for decades and it is so, so important. And I actually talked to a lot of people in the rich habits network about this that are high earners, that earn that $250,000 and they don't have any strategies, they're not thinking about the benefits of real estate. So please, for everyone listening at every step of the way today, make sure you understand, utilize the tools that are in front of you and have these strategies in place.
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Austin Hankwitz
Another one to consider, Robert, is estate planning. Estate planning starts to matter a lot at this income level. If your net worth is growing and you are now inching closer, if not above millionaire status, and you've got dependents, you've got assets in multiple accounts, different structures, you need to have a will, you need to have a trust, you need to have beneficiaries, you need to have at minimum at least one conversation with an estate planning attorney, go pay the two or three thousand dollars. You need to have all this figured out because at the end of the day it will save so much. It's responsible stewardship. Of what you are building. And the people who do this work early are the ones whose families actually get to benefit from wealth that was created. That is how generational wealth gets passed on generation after generation after generation. Last thing I want to address here, Robert, is something that doesn't really get said enough at this $250,000 income level. That's the accountability gap. And I would argue I fell for this, Robert, I'm sure fell for this. A lot of people listening right now because it's 60,000, 70,000, 80,000. The margin for error is small. And it's small enough that your budget tends to keep itself in place. I clearly only have 800 bucks a month for groceries. I clear, you know, this much for transportation, whatever, insurance. Right. My cell phone. If I spend more than that, it hurts. I see it. It's really tight, right? At $60,000, you're not really bumping around too much. But at 250, 300, 350, right. There's enough slack in your budget that if you start making bad habits, those bad habits do not show up in your financial planning and could hide for years before they become visible. You could overspend. You can under save, you can neglect a tax strategy for a really long time at this income level because you feel comfortable right up until you do. The discipline required to build wealth at $250,000 a year of annual income is arguably higher than the discipline needed to build wealth at $60,000 a year because the temptations are bigger and the feedback loop on your mistakes is slower. Something I do. And if you are at this income level, I highly recommend doing the same thing. Track every dollar you spend. It doesn't mean it has to be in the perfect column or category. I'm not saying, oh no, you went over your budget. I'm not saying to judge yourself on your spending. I'm just saying to track your spending. Because what I, and I'm sure Robert and many other people listening right now, they're like, wait a second, I just made all of this money. Where did it go? I only invested X amount of dollars last year and I paid X amount in taxes. Did I really spend the difference? Right. Like, please, if you are making 180, 200, 250, 350, you're up there in annual household income. You need more discipline than if you were only making 60, 70, 80,000 because the margin for error, you get a little wishy washy and the bad habits don't present themselves fast enough.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Yeah, and I just want to click back Again, if you are making 50, 60, $75,000 a year and you're not there yet, that is not a death sentence. It just means you have to have the practices and the strategies and all of the things we're covering today in the playbook in your tool shed, because you want to make sure you're doing it right, because your income is going to keep growing. But if you get all of these habits and structures in place early, you're going to do so much better, because Austin is 100% correct. People that make a lot of money many times don't have the structures in place, and that's why they live paycheck to paycheck. And also, people that don't make a lot of money get it backwards. They think, well, rich people have all this money. They don't have to budget. And actually, it's the opposite. Most wealthy people that I know are very strict with their money. They budget everything. They watch every dollar, every dollar has a job. Yet the people that aren't making a ton of money, they just spend their money, you know, however they feel like and wonder why they're not getting ahead. So make sure on both ends of this spectrum, you understand the strategies and discipline are probably the most important because you can always grow your income. But it doesn't mean you can always get those structures in place if you don't start early. So that's the big takeaway for me. And here's what ties all three of these income levels together. The number on your paycheck is not the primary variable at every level. The people who build wealth are the ones who spend less than they earn, invest the difference consistently, and make intentional decisions about where their money goes before lifestyle creep fills the gap. Remember that the average American considers $2.3 million wealthy, and that number is reachable on a consistent savings and investment discipline, even starting at $60,000, assuming time and compound growth do their work. And it's also completely escapable on $250,000 if the income goes to status instead of assets. Income is not destiny. Behavior is.
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Austin Hankwitz
And that's why the name of this podcast is Rich Habits.
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Robert Kiyosaki
That is right. Mic drop, let's go.
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Austin Hankwitz
So, Robert, let's now jump to the Q and A section of this episode as a reminder for everyone listening, if you have a question to ask us on the show, DM us on Instagram at Rich Habits podcast or email at rich habits podcastmail.com I think all of today's questions come from Instagram, so shoot us a little DM on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram. Right. We're always doing fun stuff over there. So our first question comes from Angela on Instagram. Angela says hi. Here is my question. I saw Invesco QQQ doing massive advertising during the March Madness 2026 college basketball. I hear you talk about this ETF often. And if they're spending massive money on advertising, is it still a low expense ratio ETF compared to alternatives with the same objective? It's kind of counterintuitive. Thank you so much. What a good question. Yeah. So, like, it's kind of funny, Robert, you know, you see QQQ in these commercials all the time. I see them for college basketball, college football. I mean, I see them all the time. Now, the core of your question, Angela, came about the expense ratio. Austin. Robert, what is an expense ratio? An expense ratio is management fee that investors pay to the issuer of the ETF for investing our money. All ETFs have expense ratios, and they range dramatically. For example, you can get an expense ratio that's like literally 0.015%, right? Like literally so small. Or you can get an expense ratio that's one and a half percent. They can range dramatically. QQQ has an expense ratio of 0.18%. Arguably, that's a pretty good expense ratio. So let's put this in perspective, Robert. For every $1 million that someone has invested into QQQ every single year, you are paying 0.18% on that money to the issuer Invesco for having your money invested. That is $1,800 per year paid to Invesco for investing in QQQ. I've seen other Nasdaq 100 ETFs, like QQQM, which is arguably a little bit cheaper, but you're still paying fifteen hundred dollars per year per one million dollars invested. Voo, you're paying about three hundred dollars per year. But you're now investing in the S and P and not the nasdaq. But at the end of the day, again, if the expense ratio is around 0.2% or less, I generally think that is a pretty affordable expense ratio, because, again, they've got expenses now. Their expenses are commercials on college basketball, but. But they're expenses nonetheless. There's no free lunch in investing. So I'm okay to spend a little bit of money to ensure that I'm investing in the best benchmarks, using the most reputable ETFs, with liquidity and good things of that nature. But, Robert, what's your take on this question.
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Robert Kiyosaki
I love the question and it doesn't bother me a bit because qqq I think everyone watching this podcast or listening should own QQQ as part of their core satellite portfolio. We say that about VOO as well because we want to make sure that we have the these big funds, these ETFs like QQQ in your portfolio at all times, especially as you're working towards your retirement, because we just think that they're just really great and they're very affordable to own. So I don't think there's any worry here that they did a bunch of advertising at the NCAA because the expense ratio has not changed in a very, very long time and it's very affordable to own and you normally are beating a lot of the benchmarks. I forget what it was the other day, but it was something like 85% of professional money managers don't beat the returns of VOO and QQQ yearly over a 10, 20, 30 year period. So just keep that in mind. But I love the question.
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Austin Hankwitz
Well yeah, Robert, I just looked at the annualized historical returns because I agree. I think people should be invested in the NASDAQ 100 via QQQ or QQQM. And over the last 20 years QQQ, if you reinvest the dividends has annualized 15.2% which means thousand dollars into QQQ 20 years ago, it's now worth about 170,000 without adding any more money to it. Right. It's just 17x essentially right over 20 years. So I agree. I think everyone should be invested. I got a ton of money in QQQ. I think the NASDAQ 100 is a great mechanism for building wealth over a long period of time because tech is cool and tech is going to continue to do what tech does and that is go up into the right. Now, before we jump to our next question, got to give a shout out to NEOS investments. NEOs offers ETFs that seek high levels of month with a keen focus on tax efficiency while providing core portfolio exposure across equities, fixed income, real estate, cryptocurrency and cash alternatives like t bills. Their ETFs may be especially interesting for investors looking to generate tax efficient monthly income inside of their investment portfolios. Their funds may serve as a compelling income focused alternative or complement to many of the investments already in many investor portfolios.
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Robert Kiyosaki
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Austin Hankwitz
their own NASDAQ High Income ETF qqqi. So go check that one out. Our next question comes from DB on Instagram. DB says hi Robberton Austin. I freaking love your podcast with like nine different O's. Thank you db. We're glad you love the pod. DB says AI has made many changes to my financial situation and although I'm still far from where I wish I was, I'm better than I was 10 months ago. And I've got your podcast A Thing for it. I want to get your opinion. I'm married. I'm 38 years old with two daughters. One is attending college next fall, the other is still in elementary school. I decided to go back to school to get my bachelor's degree in finance since I already have industry experience with the intentions of getting better financial opportunities and a higher paycheck. I still have one and a half years to go until I graduate. All the money for school is coming through fafsa. And with AI knowing that a finance degree is highly at risk, do you think it's a good idea to complete my degree or do I just drop out, save the one and a half years of student loans and invest that money instead, maybe even toward my oldest's college tuition. Ooh, Robert, you kicked this one off.
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Robert Kiyosaki
I knew you were going to kick this. To me, this is a tough one. Part of me thinks save the money. Don't get any further in debt with these loans. Even though these FAFSA loans are lower interest, it's still a lot of money. But the other thing is you're two and a half years in, so maybe there's a world you have the degree. Some companies are going to care. Some finance jobs are still going to be out there. But if you're going to finish this degree, I would really, really focus on what's next in AI, how you can be the best of the best in AI integration into your work. Because a lot of entry level finance jobs are going to be gone, poof, cooked in the next two, three, four, five years. And I would hate to see you have all this debt in a pretty degree plaque on your wall that you can't really do much with. So I'm leaning towards finishing because you're so far along. But if you are just getting started or in your first year or anyone thinking about it, I would say don't do it. I would change my focus to a job that's going to have 10, 20 years of Runway ahead. So that's what I would do because I'm just a little bit nervous about all this debt coming out of college for a job that's literally not going to exist in two or three years. So that would be my take. Finish the degree, focus on AI and make sure you're really good at understanding it before you even have the degree. Because maybe there's a world you can consult or maybe you can be a prompt engineer in two years helping people figure out how to invest their money. Something like that could work, but that's my take.
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Austin Hankwitz
So I got a degree in finance and economics, as you guys know. And there's really like three things you can do with a finance degree. You can go to Wall street and be an investment banker and then do that, do private equity, whatever. You are 99% sure not going to do that. You're 38 with two daughters. Like you're not going to go be an Investment banker working 100 hours a week in New York. Then there's the other side where you can go do corporate development, mergers and acquisitions, financial planning and analysis. That's the kind of stuff that I did out of college. And then there's even a different side of it where you do financial planning in the sense of like, you know, be a financial planner, wealth management, insurance, stuff like that. I would argue that the immediate money is what stuff that I did, right? I was doing mergers and acquisitions out of college. Financial planning and analysis, corporate development, stuff like that. You could go do that stuff, probably make 65, 85, 120,000 working at a Fortune 1000 company in the United States. I would argue you need experience before you do that. You mentioned you have some industry experience. I don't know what that experience is. Maybe there's a world where you can have some sort of summer internship this summer at a company that is local to you and your family and you are able to apply your finance degree in a way that allows you to analyze income statements and cash flow statements and make financial planning and analysis decisions, right? Fpa, that's what it is. So maybe there's a world you can do that. But again, I don't think those jobs to what Robert said are going to be around for another five or 10 years. Like, I've seen artificial intelligence model out in Excel, what would have taken me hours, and it does it in 10 minutes because it's what Claude can do, right? Like, that stuff is nuts. And I think that's where the industry is going. On the flip side, maybe you're really into wealth management and financial planning and, you know, things of that nature. I think you have to go be a certified financial planner, which is, I think, a master's degree, if I'm not mistaken. If you really want to get into that. If not, maybe you just jump right in, take the SIE exam, series 7, series 63, and you can start doing financial planning. Maybe you can work at a financial planning firm. Maybe that's what you're really into, right? There's a lot of different. I wish you gave us more than, like, I have industry experience in finance. It's like, what does that mean? You know, mortgage? Like, I don't know, but like, there's. There's a ton of different routes you can go here. I hope, DB that when you took on this opportunity to go back to school, get your bachelor's in finance, that it was with a clear path that your employer said, hey, listen, DB we want to make you a vp. We want to make you a director, we want to, like, get you that. But you can't do it until you have this bachelor's degree because you're just a high school graduate. And we want you to have that bachelor's in finance before you take over this department or before you have direct reports, whatever it might be, right? So I'm hoping what you can do is take that bachelor's degree, go back to your employer and say, listen, I grinded for the last four years and I got it. Give me that promotion, and hopefully that's all this turns into. But if you've got to figure out out something beyond that, you got to start looking now. Need to start getting that experience now, because again, three, five, seven, 10 years from now, those FPA jobs and Excel and all that stuff, like, it's. It's going to be automated very, very, very easily by AI and they're not going to need you.
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Robert Kiyosaki
Amazing takeaway, Austin. I Just want to clarify. You don't need a master's degree to become a certified financial planner, a cfp, but you do need a master's if you want to be covered in personal financial planning. Planning. Just a small distinction, but I wanted to make sure all of our listeners knew that.
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Austin Hankwitz
Yeah, great call out. I. I did not know that. I did have a friend, though, that was a cfp and she was like, getting her master's in something. But regardless, appreciate the call out. That's super important to. To keep in mind. Yeah, we just looked it up and three years of experience get you the CFP designation. Don't need a master's degree. So I am corrected. Thank you, Robert. Great question, though, from DB let's now jump to our final question from D. Another D name. Here we go. Wants to be anony, says, hey, call me D. D says, hi, Austin. And Robert, if you air the question, just call me Dee. I'm 42. I found your podcast a year ago. Up until then, I was a bitcoin maximalist. Never investing in stocks, but I would buy bitcoin like a madman. I was able to stack 72% of a bitcoin. That's awesome. Good for you. It was a mix between IBIT and cold storage. So when I found your podcast, I made sure to stop doing that and go build my base. Now that I've been dollar cost averaging into the S and P and a few thematic ETF and bitcoin, every time I get paid, I've got my base built. I'm feeling good. Here's my question. Should I back off the bitcoin? Should I sell any bitcoin and reallocate it? Maybe I stop DCA for a while. Personally, I'm really proud of what I've been able to accomplish, but I'm starting to question if my money could be better invested elsewhere. Thank you for your time and thank you for your podcast. It's extremely valuable and I love sharing your show. D, thanks for sharing the show. That's awesome. We really appreciate it. Robert, you like bitcoin? I like bitcoin, but we have sort of a framework for people to consider when they buy bitcoin, so I'll let you walk everyone through it.
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Robert Kiyosaki
D, I'm so glad you found us, and I'm really happy that you're crushing it. You're building the base. I think you're in a really good spot at 42 years old. So here's my take. I love that you have three quarters of a percent of one bitcoin bitcoin. Something that I tell everyone on their wealth building strategies is try to get to one bitcoin. So my answer to you would be, I would keep DCA into bitcoin to get to that one Bitcoin, especially while we're in this price drawdown. And then I would move away from that and DCA more into the other things you're doing and make sure you're fully diversified. I see you have a few thematic ETFs. That sounds fantastic. You've got the S P500. But I want to be clear, I would make sure a big portion of your money is going to the S P 500 and the NASDAQ 100. Everything else is diversification. And I'm okay with thematic ETFs. I own them, Austin owns them. But I just want to make sure you're not chasing hype. And you have a lot of this portfolio management going into the base. So I really like where you're at. I would keep DCAing into the Bitcoin to get to one full Bitcoin. I still believe Bitcoin in the next four, five, six years is going to continue to accelerate up over time. I could be wrong, but I do believe in it. I'm still buying bitcoin and dollar cost averaging, but I would love to see you get to that one bitcoin. I think it'd be really cool.
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Austin Hankwitz
Yes. And the framework I was alluding to is we like to tell people to keep their total bitcoin cryptocurrency portfolio in between the 5 and 15% range of their portfolio. Right. So, oh my gosh, I'm, you know, I'm so conservative. Whatever. I just want 5 percentage points of my portfolio in bitcoin. That's great. Go do that. It's a little bit. If it goes to zero with this quantum computing stuff, you're not going to lose out on much. It's 5%. If it does really well, like it has done for the last 10, 15 years, congratulations. That 5% is now worth a whole lot more. So if I were in your shoes, maybe there's a world where, because again, you probably have much more than 15%, maybe there's a world where, where all net new dollar bills start getting deployed into the S And P, the NASDAQ, the Dow Jones, some of these ETFs, and maybe even blue chip single stocks you're excited about like Amazon or a Microsoft or a Meta or a Google or a Tesla, things of that nature. And as that happens, the percentage of your portfolio invested in bitcoin naturally decreases over time because you're not adding that new money to it unless it's just like goes up a ton in value. Which would be great because we want bitcoin to go up. But that's kind of how I'm thinking about it, right? So instead of like pouring more money into your bitcoin, maybe you start to say, hey, I've got a lot. This is cool. Net new capital. Maybe it goes elsewhere in the portfolio and I let the bitcoin ride the wave, do its thing. You're a bitcoin maximalist. You're excited for it. That's awesome. I'm also excited for bitcoin, so rock and roll. Appreciate the question.
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Robert Kiyosaki
D I love, love, love this episode because we want to make sure everyone understands one thing that the fake gurus drive me nuts over over when they say, if you're not making $400,000 a year, don't even bother doing XYZ or you're a loser. Don't listen to those people. Some of the wealthiest people in the most percentage of millionaires are retired teachers, engineers, dentists, lawyers. People that sometimes make 6, 70, 80, $90,000 a year. But they had the right structure, the right mindset and they lived below their means to be able to retire comfortably. So make sure you understand that. Don't chase hype. Don't listen to them because they don't know the numbers and they don't care about your future like we do here in the Rich Habits podcast.
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Austin Hankwitz
Everybody. Thanks so much for tuning in to this week's episode of the Rich Habits podcast. Please consider doing what DE does and share the episode with your friends. If you know someone, you got a tight knit friend group here and you know your friend's making a hundred thousand or this friend's making 60 or that friend's making 250. Share this episode with them so they have the tools and resources they need to make the best decisions with their money over a long period of time. That's what these episodes are about. Giving y' all the resources to make educated decisions with your money. We put so much research, time and energy into filming these episodes and we're so grateful that tens of thousands of you come back every single week to listen to the show. You read the newsletter, you're subscribed to the newsletter, you're in the Rich Habits Network. It is just we're so, so grateful. And please consider sharing this episode with a friend because that is the easiest way that you say thank you. Oh and drop us a five star review. We always appreciate those too.
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Robert Kiyosaki
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- [43:55]
Austin Hankwitz
Thanks everyone and we'll see you on Thursday.
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