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rich & REGULAR with Kiersten and Julien Saunders
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rich & REGULAR is the podcast for people who want to take charge of their money, pay off their debt, build their wealth, and live their best lives without being obsessed with money. Every week, Kiersten and Julien Saunders show you how money intersects with everything else in your life and teach you how to use it to your advantage. They share their insights and tips on how to make, save, and invest money in creative and unconventional ways. They also help you understand the big changes that are happening in the world and how to adapt to them. Because being rich & famous is overrated. Being rich & REGULAR is where it's at.
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Ep 250: The problem with hearing “AI” and assuming your career is over
Mar 3100:38:59Tap to summarizeThis week, we’re talking about what’s really going on in the AI layoff era, and why the way you interpret that moment matters almost as much as the layoff itself. If all you hear is “a robot replaced me,” it’s easy to spiral, panic pivot, and start solving the wrong problem. But if you know how to read the room, you can make smarter decisions about your career, your money, and where to go from here. Losing a job is already disruptive enough. The last thing you need is to turn it into a full-blown crisis about your worth. If this episode hit home, leave a review, share it with somebody who needs it, and subscribe so you don’t miss the next one. In this episode, we cover:Why “because AI” doesn’t always mean a robot directly replaced your jobThe 3 different things companies might mean when they blame AIHow to tell the difference between an actual workflow change and plain old cost-cuttingWhy panic pivoting can get expensive fastWhat to look at first if you’ve been laid off Why becoming AI-capable matters more than becoming an “AI expert”How to reposition your experience without throwing away your strengthsWhy “AI-first” language doesn’t always mean your job or industry is cookedWhy layoffs hit your identity so hard, and how to stop making it worse Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 249: We asked Gen Z about money. Their answers were a wake-up call
Mar 2400:44:30Tap to summarizeWe spent a week talking to hundreds of high school seniors about money, and they gave us more hope than we expected. Underneath the stereotypes about “kids these days,” we found a generation that already understands more than adults give them credit for, while still being dangerously underprepared for some of the biggest financial decisions of their lives.So this week, we’re talking about what stood out after speaking to 400+ students across 5 high schools in the Chicago area and what parents, teachers, and honestly all of us should take from it. They knew saving mattered, they had opinions about frugality, and some were already working jobs. There were a few who were already gambling, and way too many were about to sign student loan paperwork without fully understanding what they were agreeing to.If you’ve got a teenager, a future college student, or a young person in your life who thinks money talk is boring, this episode might help you reach them a little differently. This conversation isn’t just about teens. It’s about what happens when financial education is too late, too shallow, or too disconnected from real life.In this episode, we get into:Why so many teenagers understand everyday saving but still don’t understand student loansThe shocking number of students already seeing gambling as a real way to make moneyHow “frugal” stopped being an insult and started sounding practicalWhy kids were more engaged than the grownups who usually sit through money talksWhat they got wrong about the biggest expenses in adult life and why that mattersThe difference between knowing stocks exist and actually understanding investingWhy buy now, pay later needs to be explained as credit, not convenienceWhat this experience taught us about Gen Z, money, and the adults responsible for filling in the gapsHow parents can use AI to make money lessons click for kids who seem uninterestedLinks: Other experts mentioned in this episode: Chris Corinthian, Berna Anat, Yanely Espinal, Dr. Paris Woods Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 248: We need to talk about sports gambling
Mar 1700:38:07Tap to summarizeThere’s a casino in everybody’s pocket now, and it’s wearing a jersey.This week’s episode is about sports gambling, why it’s exploding right now, and the data that should make you pause before you normalize it in your house, your group chat, or your relationship.We promise this isn’t an anti-fun sermon, it’s a reality check. If you’re someone who sports bets but has real limits in place…tell us what’s working. And if you’ve seen this start “small” and turn into something bigger in your life or somebody you love… drop a comment. People actually read them, and somebody needs that story.We get into:Why “it’s just entertainment” doesn’t hold up The fantasy sports gateway The uncomfortable overlap between sports bettors, crypto people, and day traders The stats that made us go: oh… this is a public health issue (debt, missed bills, payday loans, bankruptcy spikes)How this isn’t “just a men’s issue” anymore and why women’s growth in betting makes total senseThe darker stuff no one wants to talk about: mental health, domestic violence spikes, and what happens after “a devastating loss”Why we think gambling needs to be part of modern financial literacy the same way drugs/alcohol were when we grew upWhat to do if you suspect it’s becoming a problem (and why the hotline is not the solution people think it is)Links:Watch - VICE documentary: “The Sports Betting Boom” Watch - Money on the Table - Season 3, Episode 3 - Luck is not a plan Read - My Year as a Degenerate Sports Gambler Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life. Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 247: The Student’s Guide to Financial Freedom with Dr. Paris Woods
Mar 300:43:25Tap to summarizeMost money advice for students is either condescending or delusional, and this episode is neither. This one is for the students…and for the parents, aunties, mentors, and big cousins trying to help without lecturing. Today I’m joined by Dr. Paris Woods, bestselling author of The Black Girl’s Guide to Financial Freedom and the new Student’s Guide to Financial Freedom. We talk about what she saw growing up in St. Louis, the “education is the ticket” promise, and why getting out of poverty isn’t the same as building wealth.If you love a young person, send them this episode and then follow up with, ‘did you listen?’We cover:The debt traps waiting for you the moment you turn 18The minimum payment trap and why “on-time payments” can still keep you stuck for yearsWhy “adulting” starts with a credit limit — and how cards + BNPL get marketed like free money.Sticker price vs. net price: How to find your real college cost before you commitCreating a “gap plan” with scholarships + grants + schools that meet need + a realistic part-time job so loans aren’t the defaultDreaming as a strategy and finding the answer to “what would you do if you knew you couldn’t fail?”The importance of building a Freedom Fund so you can take the trip, start the business, or pivot without panickingLinks:Order The Student’s Guide to Financial FreedomFollow Dr. Paris Woods: @AuthorParisWoods + ParisWoods.com Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 246: New Money, New Problems: Finding advice you can trust with Brenton Harrison, CFP
Feb 2300:46:13Tap to summarizeThis week, we’re joined by Brenton Harrison, founder of New Money New Problems. Brenton is a financial advisor who works with first- and second-generation high earners. We’re talking about how to tell the difference between quality financial advice and misinformation/scammy advice, making sense of what you hear online, and why not all “good advice” is good for YOU. And because we live in the real world where creators and advisors both exist, we get into the relationship between financial influencers and financial advisors, where each one can actually help, where each one can fall short, and why it doesn’t have to be “versus”We get into:The difference between first-generation wealth and first-generation high income (and why it matters)Why first/second-gen high earners can be underserved even when they’re making good moneyThe #1 thing Brenton wishes high earners knew soonerWhy financial literacy doesn’t automatically fix the emotional + social reality of moneyThe disclaimer we wish more financial creators would useWhy “tax hack” content is so seductive and why it can be flat-out dangerousWhy market-timing myths surviveWhat a strong advisor relationship should produce in the first 60–90 days, and what you should look forWhy a bad experience with one advisor doesn’t mean you should quit the entire lane foreverBrenton’s take on robo-advisors, AI, and how tech can help without replacing real planning Links: Visit Brenton’s website and book an initial meetingConnect with him on Instagram or LinkedIn Subscribe to his YouTube channelListen to the New Money, New Problems podcast Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 245: The simplest way to talk about money without making it weird
Feb 1700:30:02Tap to summarizeThere are two sentences that can ruin a perfectly normal evening – “We need to talk”, and its evil twin, “We need to talk about money.” Even if your relationship is good, that phrasing makes it feel like somebody’s about to get graded. Even when things are fine, nobody wants to be the person who turns a decent Tuesday night into a full relationship audit. So this week, we’re introducing a better way: small doors. These are quick, low-stakes, real-life openings that normalize money talk without turning it into a whole thing.And the best part is, they’re not just for couples. Small doors can be used with parents, siblings, friends, or any relationship where money differences create distanceWe get into:Why “we need to talk about money” is basically a panic alarm for most people, even if they’re in good relationshipsThe difference between avoiding conflict and avoiding judgment, weirdness, and role shiftsWhy money conversations work better as appetizers than a full-day “financial summit”What “small doors” actually look like in real life (aka: our kid’s expensive cherry habit 😭)How tiny, specific moments create safer openings than “we need a budget”The 3 rules for small doorsHow to treat your partner’s first reaction as data, not a personal attackWhat to do when the issue isn’t the money, it’s the pattern of how you talk about moneyWhy tone is basically the WiFi of the conversationWhy you should practice the repair as much as the conversationLinks to helpful past episodes: Episode 222 - Why we don't share everything (and what we do instead)Episode 207 - 3 practical tips for couples living on one income Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 244: Overcoming Financial Trauma with Rahkim Sabree
Feb 900:56:58Tap to summarizeThis week we’re talking to Rahkim Sabree, author, financial trauma educator, and the person who basically put “financial trauma” on the map for a lot of the internet. His work connects money behaviors to nervous system responses, family systems, and broader cultural and structural realities. His book, Overcoming Financial Trauma, and his whole approach are research-heavy, emotionally honest, and built to last.Julien starts this conversation by admitting something most people don’t say out loud. He shares that he delayed inviting Rahkim on the podcast because the conversation would’ve forced him to confront his own financial trauma, and he wasn’t ready to "perform" his way through it.From there, this episode goes deeper than “money mindset” and way past generic financial literacy. If you’ve ever felt anxious about money without a clear reason… or noticed your stress spikes around the 1st and the 15th… this one will feel uncomfortably specific, in a good way.We talk about:Why “financial trauma” is everywhere right now and how the term gets misusedThe awkward truth about why healing your money story can feel like disrespecting your parentsThe money anxiety you normalize until somebody else hears itRahkim’s house fire and how the “tools” we rely on (education, planning, discipline) don’t always deploy when life is on fireWhy money often represents power, freedom, and safety - and how safety shows up after lossVicarious financial trauma and how you can “catch” money anxiety from what you grew up aroundHow we’re socialized to treat “have-nots” and how that drives status, spending, and fearPhysical tells of financial trauma and why the better question is: where do you feel money in your body?Links: Get Rahkim’s book, Overcoming Financial Trauma Learn more about his work on Rahkim’s website, Instagram, and LinkedIn pageSubscribe to Rahkim’s newsletter on Substack Follow Rahkim’s writing on Forbes Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 243: How to stay financially disciplined when life is life’ing
Feb 400:38:36Tap to summarizeLife is life-ing. Prices are up, surprise expenses are regular, and your “simple” money goal keeps turning into a weekly argument with yourself (or your partner).In this episode, we talk about why so many people are either going full finance drill sergeant in 2026, or avoiding goals completely. We break down what financial discipline actually looks like when your life changes mid-month, and how to build goals that bend instead of break so you can keep moving forward without the mental drama of “I have to be extra strict this week” every week.We cover: Why discipline doesn’t transfer cleanly from one area of life to another and why that’s normalWhy SMART goals make perfect sense at work, but don’t always work for moneyThe difference between ambitious/hard goals and brittle goalsWhy “catch-up energy” erases progress even when you’re technically doing “better”When discipline turns into stubbornness (hey, crypto friends)The hidden cost of “perfect” goal frameworks (hello, 75 Hard friends)Why the happiest wealthy people aren’t obsessing over the minutiaeThe real purpose of goals: options, freedom, and a better life Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 242: How to lower your utility bills
Jan 2600:39:54Tap to summarizeThere’s nothing like a surprise utility bill to humble your whole household. If you’ve ever stared at a bill wondering ‘how?!’ well, let’s talk about it. This week on the rich & REGULAR podcast, we're breaking down emotional manipulation, confusing rate plans, and overlooked hacks that are costing you real money on your gas, electric, and water bills.This isn’t about living in the dark or taking cold showers. It’s about paying attention, asking better questions, and taking back control. Whether you're a homeowner or renter, there's something in here for you.In this episode:How utility companies nudge you toward the wrong planThe fixed vs. variable rate trapWhy you should talk about your bills with your friends and neighbors Why “peace of mind” plans cost more than you thinkWhat to check on your water bill that most people ignoreA free calendar hack that can save you $100s a year Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
Transcribe →Ep 241: What to do before you start decluttering
Jan 1900:43:38Tap to summarizeWhen life feels loud, getting rid of stuff can feel like relief. But if the stuff keeps coming back, the real issue is usually what the purchases were trying to solve in the first place. So this is an episode about what to ask yourself before you fill the donation bags.We’re talking about materialism as a pattern and what happens when your things stop just being “things”. Kiersten gets personal about why decluttering has always worked for her and why she finally realized it was only half the story.We get into: Why decluttering can feel like regulation and why that doesn’t mean it fixes the real issueThe difference between materialism, consumerism, and decluttering so you can name what’s actually happeningHow “reset energy” turns into a cycle where you purge, feel lighter, reward yourself, and rebuild the messWhat it looks like when you buy things to feel prepared even when the situation never comesThe water bottle problem and why upgrades become a substitute for behaviorThe planner and journal trap and how marketing sells “this will change your life” in book formWhy organizing products can be emotional purchases disguised as practical onesA simple solution that works: move items out of sight and see what you miss versus what you just like having availableHow attachment creates decision fatigue because every item turns into a guilt conversationThe shift that actually helps Future YouOur perspective on freedom and why being too attached to stuff can quietly trap your options Connect with Julien and Kiersten on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.Join our email list to get updates from us, opportunities for discounts, freebies and a quick rundown on the relevant financial and career news impacting your life.Get our book Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away, named 2023 best overall book about investing by Business Insider and one of the best personal finance books by ForbesIf you would like to learn more about investing, check out our newest class, Making Money Grow
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