Pavlovian Dog + Spontaneous Generation

Summary

Ride with Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone: Episode Summary

Episode Title: Pavlovian Dog + Spontaneous Generation
Release Date: June 25, 2025
Host/Authors: Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone
Podcast: Dear Media

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Introduction and Lighthearted Banter

The episode kicks off with Benito and Mary Beth engaging in their trademark humorous and irreverent banter. They set a playful tone, joking about their presence at the Geneva Convention and sharing funny mishaps, such as Benito accidentally farting ([00:39] Benito). This casual exchange establishes their chemistry and sets the stage for a relaxed and entertaining discussion.

Anecdotes from the Service Industry

Benito shares a personal story about his brief stint as a cocktail waitress at the renowned restaurant, 11 Madison Park ([03:00] Benito). He humorously recounts the challenges he faced, from stringent dress codes to the demanding nature of the job.

Notable Quote:

"I just want to have fun." ([00:20] Mary Beth)

Mary Beth echoes similar sentiments, discussing her own experiences and the complexities of working in high-pressure environments. Their stories highlight the realities of the service industry while maintaining a light and comedic undertone.

Transition to Main Topics: Pavlovian Dog and Spontaneous Generation

The hosts smoothly transition into the episode’s primary subjects: Pavlovian conditioning and the scientific theory of spontaneous generation.

Notable Quote:

"Spontaneous generation is a superseded scientific theory that held that living creatures could arise from non-living matter..." ([17:37] Benito)

Pavlovian Conditioning: Understanding Behavioral Responses

Benito delves into the concept of Pavlovian conditioning, explaining Ivan Pavlov's experiments with dogs and the foundational principles of classical conditioning ([22:35] Benito).

Key Points:

• Definition: Pavlovian conditioning involves pairing a neutral stimulus with a biologically potent one to elicit a conditioned response.
• Historical Context: Ivan Pavlov's 1897 experiments demonstrated how dogs could be conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell, anticipating food.

Notable Quote:

"It's power grabber by the brain because there's just so much power there." ([23:56] Benito)

Mary Beth adds personal anecdotes, relating the theory to everyday experiences, such as the automatic craving responses triggered by smells and stimuli.

Notable Quote:

"We're all Pavlovian dogs. We all overcompensate." ([36:54] Mary Beth)

Spontaneous Generation: Debunking an Outdated Theory

Mary Beth outlines the historical theory of spontaneous generation, a belief that life could arise from non-living matter, such as maggots emerging from dead flesh ([17:34] Benito).

Key Points:

• Definition: The theory posited that certain life forms could spontaneously appear from inanimate objects.
• Scientific Disproof: Experiments covering raw meat demonstrated that maggots did not spontaneously generate, thereby debunking the theory.

Notable Quote:

"We can learn from our past and just say, like, well, yeah, we actually thought that thing was one way, but it's not." ([19:03] Benito)

Interconnectedness of Science and Human Behavior

Both hosts emphasize the importance of scientific understanding in comprehending human behavior and natural phenomena. They draw parallels between past misconceptions and current scientific advancements, advocating for continual learning and adaptability.

Notable Quotes:

"How cool is it that it's not a theory? It's proven and done." ([19:45] Benito)
"Humans acknowledging their flop eras... is part of owning your history as well." ([19:07] Benito)

Personal Insights and Reflections

Benito and Mary Beth reflect on their own "flop eras" and the significance of recognizing and learning from past misunderstandings. They discuss the value of humility and the willingness to change one's perspective based on new evidence.

Notable Quote:

"In these trying times, we need more togetherness and unity. We need more common experiences." ([36:21] Benito)

Closing Thoughts and Final Banter

As the episode winds down, the hosts engage in more playful exchanges, joking about potential merchandise inspired by their discussions and teasing each other about their humorous takes on scientific concepts. They reinforce the theme that understanding science can enhance human connections and personal growth.

Notable Quote:

"We are human and we are all connected because... you can have a physical response, an internal body response to something that you have trained yourself." ([36:21] Benito)

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Key Takeaways

• Scientific Literacy: The episode underscores the importance of understanding scientific theories and their evolution, highlighting how misconceptions can be corrected through diligent research.
• Behavioral Conditioning: Through Pavlovian conditioning, listeners gain insight into how external stimuli can shape internal responses, applicable in various aspects of daily life.
• Personal Growth: Recognizing and learning from past mistakes ("flop eras") is crucial for personal development and fostering empathy towards others.

Conclusion

Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone deliver an engaging and informative episode that seamlessly blends humor with insightful discussions on Pavlovian conditioning and the debunking of spontaneous generation. Their relatable anecdotes and dynamic interaction make complex scientific concepts accessible and entertaining for listeners, encouraging a deeper appreciation for the scientific method and its impact on understanding human behavior.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "Please take it and run with it." ([17:36] Benito)
• "We are all Pavlovian dogs." ([36:54] Mary Beth)
• "How cool is it that it's not a theory? It's proven and done." ([19:45] Benito)
• "We need more togetherness and unity." ([36:21] Benito)

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hey, can you come pick me up?

[B]

Yeah. What's wrong?

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

Yeah, no, I just need a ride. Ride, ride. I just want to have fun.

[B]

Start your engine.

[A]

Take care.

[B]

I'm Benito Skinner.

[A]

I'm Mary Beth Barone and this is Ride.

[B]

Welcome to another podcast studio across America.

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We're at the Geneva Convention.

[B]

We're at the Geneva Convention. We're in. Yeah, Geneva.

[A]

That's where it is.

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We're so, so excited and happy. And here's the thing. Oh, I did just fart. Sorry.

[A]

That's so crazy.

[B]

That was crazy. I'm so sorry.

[A]

In front of, like, Melrose Podcast.

[B]

No, I know, and I'm so sorry.

[A]

You farted at the Geneva Convention.

[B]

No, but I would do that, though. You know what I mean? I want to just tell them and they would. They've never seen someone say something like that. So they would just be like, what is this kid gonna say? And then I would hit him with something globally.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But yeah. Let us know if there's any other places you want us to come. I think I'm going to Cincinnati. Cincinnati.

[A]

Cincinnati.

[B]

I'm going to Cincinnati, my love. I'm going to Cincinnati. So I'm going to Cincinnati soon and I'm. A wedding. The cousins.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Yes. This I gotta see.

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It's wedding season.

[B]

Let's get it, baby. So I'm excited, and I would love to see if there's a podcast studio there that I could check out and just see what the lay of the land is.

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Let us know.

[B]

I'm making you laugh.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's so fun.

[A]

I love you. I love you. So I'm having major shoulder, neck, and back problems right now. And I think that it's. My galaxy brain is too heavy because I have a very small skull, and I think my brain's getting too big. And it's actually starting to hurt.

[B]

Swelling.

[A]

It's like. I don't know what to do with all this.

[B]

Mine is getting smaller. Cincinnati. Yeah, mine's smaller. That must be tough. I mean, I went on a run this morning, and my back, it just kind of can't do that. But I love the feeling in the middle of a run.

[A]

So I don't run. It's just not for me.

[B]

I know. I've been more just weight training.

[A]

Pilates for me.

[B]

See, this is that kind of dynamic conversation. It's why we have a podcast.

[A]

That's why we monetize the friendship, to bring you updates. Like, I don't really run yeah, Grab her by the brain.

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And that's a clip. Do you guys remember Grab her by the Brain? Because I sure do. I loved that because it was just like such an easy. Just an immediate response for me is maybe just don't grab her.

[A]

Just don't grab.

[B]

I think she would prefer just no grabbing whatsoever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if you want to grab her by the brain, take some, please. I definitely grabbed you by the ball.

[A]

Too heavy.

[B]

Yeah. Come on, take some, girl. What? Grab him by the ball.

[A]

Which is. That's where we end the podcast.

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Yeah.

[A]

So I did want to come forward because I have so much respect for our men and women in uniform waiters and waitresses.

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Yes.

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I wanted to come forward and just let everyone know that I was a waitress for one night at the nicest restaurant in the entire world, Madison Square.

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Park, which I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it is where Big told Carrie that he was engaged to the Natasha.

[A]

I think it's called 11 Madison park or something.

[B]

11 Madison Park.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What did I say?

[A]

You said Madison Square park, which is similar.

[B]

Yeah, it's these lights.

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The bones are good.

[B]

The bones are good. I'm feeling really kind of like zinger.

[A]

Very zinger.

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So I'm electric, babe.

[A]

I knew someone that worked there. This was when I had quit my full time job to be a comedian and she was like, we're looking for cocktail waitresses in the bar. So I went to Shadow for a day and Chelsea Clinton was there, which was obviously really cool, of course. And then what'd she get?

[B]

Do you remember?

[A]

I don't remember. Probably a tea or something really cool. Total class act in onion rings.

[B]

I see onion rings. It's her go to.

[A]

So I had to do like my like training shift that night and I just found that it really wasn't for me. And there were all these rules and you had to memorize the menu and then I.

[B]

That I feel like you'd be good at.

[A]

I. Yeah. But I didn't want to apply myself. Also, working at night when you're a standup doesn't really make sense. So, yeah, I'm in this shift and I'm thinking, well, at least we get to eat the food because it's like the best food in the world. And then I find out there's something called family meal, which is where you eat with the rest of the staff, which is obviously amazing, but I just assumed we'd get to eat the food on the menu. Yeah, we have so much food. Like, why not like share it with the people working here. That's not how they do it in restaurants. So I completed my one shift. It was eight hours long and I, I got in a cab and I just said, I don't think I can bring the reverence to this job that it deserves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I just never talked to them ever again. They didn't email me. I didn't get paid for the training. I think we just literally went our separate ways and we said, I just don't think that's going to work.

[B]

Let's call it.

[A]

Let's call it.

[B]

Let's call it.

[A]

And that felt very mature. It's one of the most mature breakups I've ever been through.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. It sounds like that actually ended on really good terms. Mine didn't. When I was Cuz we were just talking about this.

[A]

Well, we had revealed to each other that there were things we didn't know about each other.

[B]

This was shocking. So we went to dinner recently. You were a little first stole.

[A]

Yeah. Went to horses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's just say it. Call a spade a spade.

[B]

Went to horses. And we were there and you said this to me and I thought, I'm still learning about my wife. Like, how cool is that?

[A]

Well, while I was working I just thought, I want to eat here. I don't want to work here.

[B]

Yeah, totally. And that's fair.

[A]

I think it's okay to say that. Like I just am not. I don't have, I don't have it in me to be a waiter or waitress. I don't have the strength. Honestly. I think those are. Especially in New York City. Those are some of the bravest people we have. They are out there on the front lines.

[B]

Absolutely. Also to deserve that.

[A]

And they deserve tips.

[B]

Yeah. Like, oh, if you're not tipping, don't go out.

[A]

Gold coins.

[B]

If you're not tipping, don't go out.

[A]

Don't go out.

[B]

Yeah. So here's my thing. We're at this dinner and I realize that there are things I'm still learning about you. And I, I thought I haven't told her about my 2 week stint working at a candy store in Boise, Idaho. So I, I thought it would be cute. I. It's called Powell's. I, I think it's still there.

[A]

The Glen Powell family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, of course it's Glenn Powell's ice cream shop.

[B]

You know, they've got their claws in all the states.

[A]

Ice cream shop. What? Movie star ice cream shop. Ketchup brand.

[B]

Oh yeah. I need to try his ketchup I.

[A]

Would love to try his ketchup next.

[B]

Time I see him in an event. I gotta try your ketchup. Hi.

[A]

Get out.

[B]

I know that Glenn Powell and I would have a fun little zinger fest back and forth.

[A]

I think so too.

[B]

I just hope you grab me by the neck.

[A]

Grab me by the brain.

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I said grab me by the brain, Glenn.

[A]

I just hope I'm there for that.

[B]

Me too. So here's the thing. I worked at this candy store for two weeks. I had a different thing in my head of what it would be like. But they play Willy Wonka all day. The movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is on screen in the store with the music playing all day to a point now where if it's like, come with me, I'm like, I have to, unfortunately, leave. Hit someone. Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I did that song in voice lessons, just so you know.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

That's great. Yeah. For you. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

I feel like that's right in your register, though.

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It is.

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Come with me.

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I mean, I'm not gonna. Angie.

[B]

You'll see. So I get there for the first day of work, and I have in my head that I'm gonna wear ice cream. Like, the brand that Pharrell had. The, like, billionaire boys club offshoot ice cream. Because I'm kind of like, oh, I'm going to be, like, really styled out. Like, this is going to be cute. And in my head, this is, like, so cute of me and kind of, like, if people come in also, I don't know. I think a part of me was like, also, like, there might be, like, a cute guy that comes.

[A]

There's a romanticism to the idea of. Of having a job, like, a waitress at the nicest restaurant in New York and, like, that closeted gay guy that works at a candy store.

[B]

Right? And I'm kind of, like, body was going crazy, and I'm kind of, like, me scooping gelato. And then someone, like, comes in, and he's just like, okay, I need. Who the hell was that? That didn't happen. Instead, it was kids stealing all day, and I would have to go up and, like, confront them. And by the end, I was just like, like, don't do this. Like, I can't. I can't be here to see it or just, like, be better at it. That would be awesome.

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Please.

[B]

So first day of work, it's this couple who owns it, and I assume anyone who would own a candy store would be nice. The guy was such a prick. I can't even describe it to You. When it's hot in the summer in Idaho, it is literally, like, 103 degrees dry, like, and the driest weather, like, it is so hot. So it said, like, black pants on the thing. But I. I know that within law, if you're not providing it, you can't require it. And so, you know, I kind of knew that, and so I said that. And they were kind of like, oh, you know, I was just like, but Elle Woods. I'm like, but I. I kind of like, I don't really wear black that much, so I'm like, I don't have black pants like, that aren't, like, slacks. And they were like, you have to wear the slacks. I'm like, all right. So I wore these, like, slacks. So already it's like, my outfit is totally thrown off. Like, I can't show off my calves. It sucks. You can't see my, like, cool socks that are flare. And it was just a total. It was a total bust already. So then the. The girls I was working with, they were in cahoots with each other, and they. They were like, you. You're gonna do gelato. You're gonna. You're so strong. Like, you're gonna be amazing at gelato. And I was like, oh, thank you so much. Like, that sounds so cool. Like, I, you know, do testers and stuff. Holy fucking shit. You have to clean all of it. You have to, like, the amount of tests. And now I really limit how many tests I do. And this is why I think everyone should work in the service industry at.

[A]

Some point for one, at least one shift.

[B]

Because the sheer amount of, like, how fudgeing annoying it is when someone asks for, like, six flavors and then doesn't get one. I'm just like, you have to be kidding me. But one day I'm in there, and this woman goes, I'll try the lemon sorbet. And I was like, totally. I give her the tester. She looks me in the eye as she takes it and goes, that's just delicious. I almost completely busted out laughing in this woman's face. But I was just thinking to myself my whole time, I thought I was gonna meet, like, a cute guy who came in here and kind of, like, fell for me. And then it would be, like, secret, and we wouldn't do anything. But it would have felt cool to me to have, like, a little flutter inside. Instead, I'm like, you know, it's Mrs. Robinson. Which I kind of didn't mind. Like, that was great, too. But I'm like, What is this job? Mind you, this whole time. Come with me. It's just always playing like I can do the entire movie. Like, like start to fin. Like. And one time I said maybe we do the Johnny Depp one. Just kind of shake it up. And they were like a problematic much literally. That's what all they. They all said that at the time. But yeah. So then I quickly got another job as a manny because it was just not. Oh my God. And a teacher came in who worked at my school one day and he was like mad at me. I didn't give him the discount. And I'm like, they don't let me give discounts out.

[A]

So are you giving me better grades for free?

[B]

Ex.

[A]

I'm like, exchange of services.

[B]

Yeah. He was kind of saying this and I was just like, oh, I don't with any of you.

[A]

How much could the discount have been? That's what I want to know.

[B]

And the girls I was working with were just like. Not like. I just. I thought it would be like me queening out with these divas and they were not into me at all. Like they didn't really with me. And I was so sad because I was just like, I have nothing if not a heart of Dixie. And like I think a lot of Rhythma and well Riz and Kenergy and Kenner and they didn't see any of that in me. They just like kind of fucked me off and. And kind of were in their own vibe. And yeah, I was really happy to get out. Also the owners of it had a camera that went to their house so they watched us. So if we ever weren't working during the day, they would call. It was crazy. And on my last day, to the woman who owns it, I was like, your husband's awful. And I'm so glad I said that. And she just kind of had to sit with that and I was just like, I just want you to know, like your husband's a really mean guy. Like I hated working here.

[A]

Whoa, I love that you said that. Which I'm so glad still together.

[B]

I hope not.

[A]

You should have asked them their biggest.

[B]

She was lovely. I should have. I hope it was about that. Cuz like I could tell she was kind of like, I love this, you know, this little. Yeah, but he was just. He wanted nothing to do with me.

[A]

Until you walked a mile in our hocus. You just don't know what we've been through.

[B]

So I crop dusted POWs and I never went back. Should we get into what we writing for yes, please. Today I will be riding for something I've been waiting to ride for for a very long time. The Pavlovian dog.

[A]

And I will be riding for Spontaneous generation.

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You didn't even tell me that.

[A]

Yeah, I've been wanting to do it with Pavlovian dog for a while.

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That was Spontaneous generation.

[A]

Yeah.

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[A]

So basically in. I remember either in elementary or middle school, we were learning about, like, history and, you know, the history of science and things like that. Because it wasn't just about, like, the history of like, the world wars and whatnot. We also learned about the history of science. So we learned about this time in human history where people thought that things that were alive could be born in reaction to things that weren't alive. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna read you the definition on Wikipedia of spontaneous generation.

[B]

Yeah. And maybe get Pavlovian dog ready to go. Just.

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I will.

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Tab.

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Spontaneous generation is a superseded scientific theory that held that living creatures could arise from non living matter and that such processes were commonplace and regular. So it was hypothesized that certain forms, like fleas, could arise from inanimate matter, such as dust, or that maggots could arise from dead flesh. So maggots don't, like, come from the human body. They are attracted to the human body. So that's how they, like, get there. Dear Media Clip that. I mean, yeah. God, you'd be insane not to.

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I mean, it's like, I see the viral clip in front of me. Like, you have to take it.

[A]

Just please take it and run with it.

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Yeah.

[A]

So what they did eventually was they. There were these scientists that wanted to disprove this as a theory. So what they did was they put raw meat out and they covered it. And because these certain people thought that flies were born in reaction to raw meat, but it turned out that when they covered the meat, no flies were born. So they were able to disprove the fact that spontaneous generation was a thing. So I just love that we're, like, teaching about, like, our Ls, like, that was wrong. Why are we still talking about it? But because, like, we learned and we grew from it like baby pigs. And it's like, changing your mind, literally. It's like, oh, my God. We thought this thing was. Was one certain way, but then we actually learned through, like, hypothesizing and testing that that's actually just not what's happening.

[B]

No, it's, like, so cool. It's like when people come for jfk, I'm like, yes. But he did go on record, and he was like, bay of Pigs, like.

[A]

My flop era, totally.

[B]

Which I think is so. It's kind of fabulous. When do we really see that? I would say not ever.

[A]

Humans acknowledging their flop eras, either as a whole or the individual. Maybe that's really what the lesson is here. And it's. It's part of owning your history as well. I just think it's funny to, like, teach a bunch of kids about something that's just, like, not true. And. And it's not true. That's kind of cool.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And we can learn from our past and just say, like, well, yeah, we. We actually thought that thing was one way, but it's not.

[B]

And to just be like, how cool is it to know that now and that we went through the processes and we checked this out because. Let's see this through.

[A]

Let's see it through.

[B]

Yeah. I think that's amazing. Those are the kind of science things that I just get from start to finish. I just know exactly what that is. And I could write such a perfect little answer on a test for it.

[A]

Well, it's closing the loop. Exactly. I mean, how cool is it that it's not a theory? It's proven and done. I don't make me bring up 6.023 times 10 to the 23rd because so much of science is theory. It's. We don't know. These numbers are so big, we can't possibly even really calculate them. So to have something that's like a physical experiment that we could do, we can apply the scientific method. I mean, I can only hope that Galileo would have been proud of what this is about.

[B]

Well, he'd be proud of his great, great great granddaughter.

[A]

I know.

[B]

His little galaxy brain. Grab her by the galaxy brain. Wait, can that be merch, please? Wait. Someone just make that. We, like. We don't need to do it. No, like, someone make it and, like, put it on Etsy.

[A]

Put that on Etsy.

[B]

Please go to town with that. No, this is amazing. Like, we have to acknowledge our flops and our hypothesis that are wrong. Like, when I thought that at a certain point, like, if an event has too many people, that how could you possibly have security for it? But Copacabana has unbelievable security. I have come to know this, and I am so glad that I know this now, because we're coming.

[A]

We are coming. Carnival.

[B]

We're coming. But it really blew me away when I said this on Jake Shane's. When we were talking about Copacabana, which, as always, you. You know better.

[A]

I've read.

[B]

My wife knows better.

[A]

I read articles.

[B]

How did you know about the security there? Like, this is just something that. And I kind of say this for everywhere. I thought this was just kind of everywhere on Earth, which I think is just like, my ignorant American Western brain. Hate it.

[A]

Well, there are certain things that are unfathomable. That and having 2 million people in one space is unfathomable.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like. I just. Oh, my God. That event in America. Oh, mama.

[A]

So after the unfortunate tragedy at AstroWorld, I did read a lot of articles about how large events manage people and they keep people safe. And there are events that is so much thought and planning is put into, and they actually look at the numbers again.

[B]

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[A]

We love you so much.

[B]

We're coming to Rio.

[A]

We're coming.

[B]

We're totally. Yes.

[A]

There are practical uses of science, much like in disproving spontaneous generation, which, by the way, was, like, the prevailing thought of how life was created for, like, two millennia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Until these scientists came in and said, like, we actually think that that's not true. So, yeah, use science in a practical way if you can. That's all I have to say about that. And it's okay to reflect upon things that we once thought were true. Like how I used to be Republican.

[B]

Yeah. You said all this when you quit 11 Madison Park.

[A]

I did. I'm gonna apply science here, and I'm gonna say that it's just, like, molecularly, it's just not right for me. And I saluted them and I thanked them and I shook all their hands and. And that's. That's all I have to say on that.

[B]

Yes, chef.

[A]

Yes, Chef.

[B]

So speaking of yes, Chef, I am going to talk about the Pavlovian dogs. I'm excited. These fucking hounds have got me Just all my parents.

[A]

They've got you by the brain.

[B]

They've got me by my freaking brain, dude. Can you pull up just like a little background on the original? I just want to have the dates just in case this will be the only fact I check. It's Pavlovian dog.

[A]

Of course I will.

[B]

Just a little. Yeah, I like that. I never use my phone in it. I just think that if I did, I know I'd see a text that stresses me out.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Do you know what I mean?

[A]

I do. And I'm happy to take that on. Classical conditioning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also known as Pavlovian conditioning, is a behavioral procedure in which a biologically potent stimulus, for example, food, a puff of air on the eye, a potential rival, is paired with a neutral stimulus, like the sound of a musical triangle. The term classical conditioning refers to the process of an automatic conditioned response that is paired with a stimulus. It is essentially equivalent to a signal. The Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov studied classical conditioning with detailed experiments with dogs and published the results in 1897.

[B]

Was it with German shepherds? I believe in my head it was. Don't look that up.

[A]

Okay. We're not looking it up.

[B]

So I found out about this when I was in middle school. I believe this was brought up to me. And at the same time, there was an episode of the Office that did a Pavlovian dog. I mean, someone whoever pitched that real recognized real. But it was something where John Krasinski's character did something with Dwight where every time he turned on his computer, he, like, offered him a mint or something. And then one day he didn't. And then Dwight had like a dry mouth. I just think this is so. We are animals. We are miracles. And it's just so. I think this is so incredible. It's such a.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's power grabber by the brain because there's just so much power there. This is one of those things that I just. Exactly like what you said, that scientific combustion.

[A]

Spontaneous generation.

[B]

Exactly. So I would have killed that test.

[A]

Combustion.

[B]

But I just immediately I'm like. I get this and I feel this. And it's so crazy when, like a scientific method you can feel in your real life, like when I step foot in the Cinemark North Hollywood, my tongue gets a little dry back here, like where my. My glands are. These start to swell a little bit.

[A]

No, I know.

[B]

I need a Coke Zero.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To quench that. And then the second I quench it, then my. Oh, taste buds come in, and they go, we need popcorn. We need a freaking watermelon Sour Patch Kid. It's like immediately with smells and these triggers, and I think the stimuli is just the popcorn smell. You're in, and you're like, boom.

[A]

And seeing Paul Mezcal's costume from Gladiator.

[B]

2, that, to me, it's. It's those immediate signals that you see, and you go, boom. You go, whoa. Oh, my God.

[A]

Well, I think it's so. First of all, when we explained to Terry that you were going to ride for this, and you explained what it was, he goes, well, duh. Obviously, we were like, they train these dogs for their mouths to water or something. Like, it's a physical response to something, like a stimulus.

[B]

I'm glad that the world is just so obvious to you, but I find whimsicalness everywhere.

[A]

Whimsicalness, whimsicalness and whimsy.

[B]

I find whimsy in everything still.

[A]

I don't know how we got conditioned for this. And I know this is a. It's not just me. It's not a singular experience, but I know there is a group of people that when they walk into a Barnes and Noble, they have to take a shit.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Something about the feeling of being in a Barnes and Noble. They have to take a shit.

[B]

Mine. I need a Frappuccino. Do you get that?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. I was at Monkey Bar here. Have you ever been to Monkey Bar?

[A]

I don't think I have.

[B]

Which. It was so funny. After I was there, I watched the Sex in the City episode that. They're at Monkey Bar. She's there with Big.

[A]

That can happen.

[B]

Yeah, it can totally happen. Just like eleven Madison Park. But behind me, there was a painting of all these. Like, it was very Midnight in Paris. Sorry. And I. Everyone was like, oh, my God, that painting's so cool. And I was like, yeah, it's very Barnes and Noble. And everyone was like, ouch. But I'm like, do you know what I mean? The Starbucks always had, like, all these, like, writers, and it felt very Midnight in Paris. I don't know. It was like Pablo Picasso next to, like.

[A]

Like Sylvia Fitzgerald's.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Next to Suzanne Collins. I don't know something about this. I just think it's so fun that you feel it out in the field. And I think, yeah, I wish more people felt the need to have mints.

[A]

I got mints from a car I was in the other day. The driver had mints, and I brought mints because I thought you Might want one later. And I was right.

[B]

You were so nice.

[A]

I had them in my bag.

[B]

Well, I felt. Oh, my God. We were at the Gothams, and. Which. I mean, my God.

[A]

You had fun.

[B]

Gotham's finest, sweetie.

[A]

You had fun.

[B]

You were so. I'm glad we didn't do accents, but a part of me wanted you to say, you know.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You know, I got these.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Scars. Scars. And I was gonna be Bane. I just want everyone to know, but I thought maybe you couldn't hear me.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Is how I wanted to start it.

[A]

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[B]

You invented it. Tom Hardy. Come on. The pod, please.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

We would welcome you with open arms.

[B]

Yeah.

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Wait, that is so funny you say that. Yeah, literally. My legendary barista was telling me that she's moving, and I was moving. Wait. Yeah, it's kind of, like, insane. It's like new season vibes or something.

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Well, we've trained all the Baronis, all kinds of things.

[A]

They have let us know.

[B]

The Pavlovian. I am a Pavlovian dog. Someone I. I was just to say this on the Gotham red carpet. Someone said obs. And I almost to them yelled bleep it. And I'm like, oh wait, I can't do this out in the field.

[A]

So these are the things that make me feel like human and that we are all connected because this is crazy. Like that you can have a physical response, an internal body response to something that you, you have trained yourself.

[B]

Look at us with coffee in the morning.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's just like you can see it through your whole day. It's like a smell will make you feel this way as you'll start to salivate. Your nipples will go hard, you know, by the chilliness of the air conditioning. And you know that something crazy is.

[A]

About to happen or you know, you'll feel a pang of internal pain when someone walks by you wearing the same perfume as your ex best friend. Things like that.

[B]

Ms. Dior Cherie.

[A]

Ms. Dior Cherie, of course.

[B]

Oh my God. I think the first time I really experienced this was as a kid. I would walk into Abercrombie kids and smell chase the cologne and I'd be like, I have to shop. Yeah, I have to ask my mom.

[A]

There is a Pavlovian response in the Abercrombie.

[B]

Abercrombie kind of like very much a part of their Business practices as Pavlovian dog.

[A]

Can their Baronis let us know on the Reddit or otherwise? Like, what are some of your Pavlovian responses? Because I would be so curious.

[B]

Yeah. What are your little things? Like, mine, I think in the morning it's. It's definitely coffee for me. I need that if I'm with you. There are some things, like, I have.

[A]

To go to Miu Miu when I'm in la. I need to order the catsuit chicken from Tender Greens.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. Oh, if I smell like sunscreen or something, I need to rub, like, sand on my feet.

[A]

Wow. We have to go to the beach this summer.

[B]

Me too. Yeah, I know. Everyone's like, what are you Terry doing for vacation? I'm like, he's busy, but I'm gonna take the wife somewhere.

[A]

Yeah, I can't. I personally can't wait.

[B]

I think we should go to, like, Mykonos or something. Yeah, I mean, like, totally.

[A]

I just want peak season, not off season, peak season.

[B]

I want one Barone to be like, you guys vacation together.

[A]

I want to go there in a thong bikini.

[B]

Exactly. With he on. And I'm always in, like, really low.

[A]

Like, I'm really getting the, like the James Bond.

[B]

The come gutters.

[A]

Daniel Craig. Yeah.

[B]

I didn't know what else to call them.

[A]

There are. That's what they're called, come gutters.

[B]

Right. Oh, I'm glad we could talk about that. But, yeah, I feel like us on.

[A]

A vacation, I have a Pavlovian response to come gutters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I won't say what it is.

[B]

Can I say, oh, my God, we had a great conversation about this recently because someone was talking about deodorant and like, all this, you know, BO and stuff. And finally you and I could have a second to just sit with each other and say, when the guy's got a little bo, I really like it.

[A]

I like it too. A little bit. It shouldn't be radiating off of me.

[B]

Of course not. I shouldn't. I.

[A]

If I'm close enough to you, I want to be able to.

[B]

I'm not talking sweat tour.

[A]

No, we're not talking crash tour.

[B]

Wait. I love that when we're at the U.N. we had to do these very serious topics. No, it's just like, I. I want to smell that maybe you tried to put deodorant on and. And maybe a little bit of a.

[A]

Spritz where you've been out all day. Oh. And I want to say one thing.

[B]

Oh, my God. It literally, like, like, do you See me, I'm like, I'm totally animalistic right now.

[A]

I have a Pavlovian response to guys who are wearing T shirts that are a little bit too small. Because I think every straight man could be buying T shirts a size down.

[B]

You taught me that. And when I put on a little tee in front of my wife, you kind of go, I have a Pavlovian. The German shepherd jumps out.

[A]

Yeah. I just think, like, you guys could be doing yourselves more favors. I just think straight men, whatever T shirt size you think you are, buy a size down, try it out, go for a walk, and just see what the response is, because I think it's going to be overwhelmingly positive.

[B]

Yeah. I got a couple little titty tops for you recently. I think you're gonna love them.

[A]

You have a Tom Ford black T shirt that I still think about.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

With a gold chain and a wide leg pant.

[B]

When I whip that out, you're like, is your toast, girl?

[A]

Also, give your straight friends and boyfriend's permission to buy wider leg jeans. I think some men are clinging on to skinny jeans and you just don't have to. It's more comfortable. It's not a critique. And whatever people want to wear is up to them. I just think.

[B]

It's never a critique.

[A]

It's never a critique. Allow yourself to buy a wider leg pant. Get used to how you feel and look in them and then just see. Just see what happens.

[B]

I've gone so wide, and someone commented, benny, you need to figure out how to wear really wide pants. And I'm like, I think I kind.

[A]

Of have, but that has to be a sarcastic.

[B]

But I'll take. I'll take the note.

[A]

No, that has to. Has to be sarcasm.

[B]

Yeah. Because I'm like, my pants get bigger and bigger. Like, if I. Let's just say if I fell out of a plane, I'd make it down okay.

[A]

I think so, too.

[B]

It'd take a while.

[A]

But I. I know you haven't watched the Rehearsal Season 2 yet, and we can't wait to talk about it on the pod. It's been too recent, but I. I'm excited to hear what you think.

[B]

I can't wait. He is a genius. He really is.

[A]

We'd love to have him on the pod.

[B]

Yes, I'm sure he would love.

[A]

I mean, yeah, I think we. Here's what I love about the pod that I realized when we were editing it last week. We referenced the podcast so much while we're doing the podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that's really cool.

[B]

Yeah, it's like.

[A]

It's self referential.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's very like rat, in a way.

[A]

And break the fourth wall.

[B]

It's very fleabag.

[A]

We're always referencing what we're doing in the moment.

[B]

Of course. And I. I didn't know. I'm like, do other podcasts not do this?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I wouldn't know. See, I also don't know what ads are like on other pods, so don't tell me.

[A]

We will never know. Yeah, unfortunately.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

You are Marybeth, Bisexual.

[B]

Well, yeah, but you're also my ride or die. Ride or die. I ride so hard for spontaneous generation. I think it is so cool to just be like, fuck. Well, that's not it. So that just happened. Oh, wait. The boss coming in and going, hey, so how'd it go? And we. We were wrong, sir. Oh, boy. Boy, were we wrong.

[A]

Boy, we were so wrong, sir.

[B]

Wait, someone. Oh, my God.

[A]

Marilyn Monroe.

[B]

Wait, I keep bringing up. Well, of course this is a scene from Some Like It Hot. But it was so funny. In London, someone asked me a Baroni, which. Oh, my God, the Baronies who came to the London event. Oh, my God, I love you kids. I'm still talking about London. What the hell, dude? But someone there goes to Emma Watson here. And I was like, I don't think I can do it in front of you. It's like, if I was hearing it too, I'm like. But I've never.

[A]

I've never seen a real maggot before. I've never been to a clues party before. Oh, my God, this is so interesting. Like, oh, my God, I'm so excited.

[B]

I might go to Cape Cod. So to be Emma Watson going to Cape Cod for the second time. And that's gonna be huge.

[A]

Well, I just hit the mic with my chin.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I want to know what the discourse is. Actually, no, actually, I don't.

[B]

Good. And we're keeping all that.

[A]

We're keeping that.

[B]

But yes, I think spontaneous generation is incredible. I love that it has a finite period at the end of it. We're done. We figured it out. Let's move on.

[A]

It's an era.

[B]

Yeah. And I get where they were coming from. It does feel like maybe bacteria would have, like, done that.

[A]

I don't know or something.

[B]

I'm, like, obsessed with skin, obviously. So it's like bacteria can do all kinds of crazy things that I'm learning. And it's a real bust. Rosacea alert. We'll Talk about that in season six. But I am so, so deeply excited you brought this to the table today. You always teach me about some of my next favorite scientific experiments, but what'd you think of mine?

[A]

Today I ride for the Pavlovian dog again. I just think it. What we really need to be thinking about in these trying times, these chaotic times, is like, we are human and like, we need more togetherness and unity. We need more common experiences. I think when you can relate to people, you can really see their human humanity on a scientific, molecular level. Like, we are all equal. So I just think things like this, to me, I'm like, it all ties back to just, like the humanity of it all.

[B]

We're all Pavlovian dogs. We all overcompensate and we.

[A]

Our DNA is not that far from a banana. I want you to think about that. The DNA of a banana. And dear Media Clip, this is so close to the DNA of humans. I think it's closer than humans to butterflies.

[B]

Like, so that's some that. If you ever say some like that on my podcast again, I'm gonna have to grab you by the brain because you're just too smart and you're making me feel uncomfortable. Oh. Oh. I assume you want to pay for dinner, too. Love you.

[A]

We love you guys.

[B]

We love you guys. What would be our little sound? I think when we say taika, they probably salivate.

[A]

I would love to have a Pavlovian response with the baronies. And I don't know if we'll ever get there where we say something that they have a sexual response to.

[B]

I. I think I can think of a couple things. My name is Fenty Eye. Oh, my Exit Benny, babe eyes on.

[A]

The road Benny go.

[B]

Rye ride ry ry rye ride rye.

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