CLASSIC: Idiomatic for the People II, Part II

Summary

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Ridiculous History — "CLASSIC: Idiomatic for the People II, Part II"

Date: March 14, 2026
Hosts: Ben Bowlin, Noel Brown
Guests: Rowan Newby, Frank Mulheron

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Episode Overview

This episode is the second half of "Idiomatic for the People II," where the Ridiculous History team continues their rollicking, joke-laden exploration of the curious origins and tales behind English idioms. Packed with etymological nerdiness, digressions, and playful banter, hosts Ben and Noel — joined by returning guests Rowan Newby and Frank Mulheron — each present and dissect a favorite idiom, revealing both truths and myths from language history. Jokes about sitcom themes, palindromes, and meta-podcasting abound.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction and Tone-Setting (04:54–05:43)

• Hosts recap the premise: a humorous yet scholarly look at idioms — their origins, supposed stories, and cultural impact.
• Episode opens with playful banter and jokes about 1970s sitcom themes and a running inside-joke based on REM’s "Automatic for the People" (00:17–01:02).

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Idiom 1: "Posh" (09:00–15:46)

Presenter: Noel Brown

• The Popular Myth: "Posh" comes from the phrase "Port Out, Starboard Home," a supposed acronym stamped on luxury cruise tickets for wealthy Brits headed to India, denoting which side of the ship had the best sun protection.
  • “The story of the word posh is really fascinating because there is a popularly circulated...rumored origin of this word..." (09:59)
• Debunked: This tale is "garbage," lacking historical evidence, and Snopes has thoroughly dismantled it.
  • "This is garbage. This story is not true at all." (10:49)
• The Real Etymology: Originates from early 17th-century Romani, where ‘posh huri’ meant a half-penny — and by extension, "money." Eventually, posh becomes synonymous with wealth, luxury, and high status.
  • "The real origin of the word posh came around in 1830...in the Romani language...it was a term that meant money...posh huri." (13:33)
• Fun Cultural References: The hosts riff on British uses (calling someone “a posh dandy”), 1990s TV ("Peep Show"), and even propose reviving "posh" as contemporary slang for cash.
  • "I propose that we take it upon ourselves to bring back posh as a slang term for money." (15:18)
• Memorable Quote:
  • Noel: “I got quite into the idea of Posh Spice's full name being Port side Out Starboard Home Spice.” (14:26)

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Idiom 2: "Crack / Craic" (20:12–28:31)

Presenter: Frank Mulheron

• Definition and Cultural Meaning: Originally British/Scottish slang for gossip, chatter, or fun — now most often associated with Irish nightlife and revelry (“What's the craic?” meaning “What's happening?”).
  • "It comes from the Ulster area and the Scots Irish area of the British Isles." (20:43)
• Etymological Journey:
  • Entered Middle English as "crack" (C-R-A-C-K), meaning conversation or banter.
  • Galicized as "craic" (C-R-A-I-C) in Ireland in the late 1960s to give it Irish flair.
  • Returned to global English as "craic," now meaning high-spirited fun.
    • "It's an example of a reborrowing...modified in Irish and re-exported." (23:06)
• Pop Culture Commentary: The word embodies the “Disneyfication of Irish culture” seen in 1990s faux-Irish pubs ("Tipsy McStumbles" gets a mention).
  • Noel: "If that's not the most offensive cultural appropriation...I don't know what is." (25:25)
• “Crack Was 90” Explained: The hosts puzzle over why “the craic was 90” means “the fun was at its peak.” If you go past 90, you’re in trouble!
  • Frank: “That is the highest gradation of cracking...if you go past crack 90, then you’ve entered minus crack.” (26:34)
• On American Usage: Some concern over using “craic” without being “Mickey Mouse” about it, i.e., avoiding inauthentic, superficial imitation.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Ben: “So are we...having crack now?”
    Frank: “I'd like to hope so.” (23:45)

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Idiom 3: "Willy Nilly" (32:31–39:37)

Presenter: Ben Bowlin

• Modern Usage: Describes action taken in a haphazard, unplanned, or careless manner.
• Etymology: Stems from Old English phrasing “will ye, nill ye” — meaning “whether you want to or not.”
  • Ben: "Willy Nilly is much older than you might originally suspect… the early meaning of the word 'nil' was the opposite of will: a contraction of ‘nay will’." (35:10)
• Historical Citations:
  • Appears in the "Lives of Saints" (c. 1000 AD) and Shakespeare’s "The Taming of the Shrew" (1596), where it clearly means “like it or not.”
    • “Will you, nil you, I will marry you. Super creepy dude.” (37:25)
• Reflection on Language Softening: These once-forceful phrases now seem whimsical or harmless.
• Pop Culture Tie-Ins: References to "Wooly Bully"/"Willy Nilly" song mashups and grandpas smoking Pall Mall cigarettes while using this idiom.
• Memorable Quotes:
  • Ben: “The phrase willy nilly...is the winner of a long battle between various different spellings.” (34:34)
  • Noel: "Honestly, though, when I use it, though, I use it in kind of a Larry David...grumpy old man way." (38:48)

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Idiom 4: "Harbucksing the Runway" (40:41–45:34)

Presenter: Rowan Newby

• Definition: To strut, show off, or peacock — particularly when accidentally alienating a crowd with overt showboating or arrogance.
• Supposed Origin Story: Tied to old ships — the person steering at the stern had command of the ship and would show off. Named for the “Harbucks,” and “runway” refers to the passageway on the ship.
  • “There was something called a...the front of the ship is the bow and the back is the port...and if somebody was steering the ship...they were often known as the Harbucks. They were Harbucksing.” (42:12)
• Skeptical Scrutiny: The panel debates the authenticity — Rowan posits some details may be tongue-in-cheek fabrication, blending real etymological facts with playful invention.
  • "Is any of this true?" “I wrote a bunch of other fake things if you want me to read...I mean, real things.” (44:26, 44:34)
• Broader Point: All language evolves, much of it through creative fiction or reinterpretation.
  • "All language is constructed, so, I mean, really, what is real?" (46:57)
• Metacommentary: The segment jokingly becomes a meta-exploration of how idioms are born — via anecdotes, repetition, and consensus.
• Memorable Line:
  • Noel (mock-earnest): “Almost as though you invented or — I'm sorry, discovered — the perfect crystallization of everything that we did in this episode." (47:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Noel Brown, on myth origins:
  “Turns out. This is garbage. This story is not true at all.” (10:49)

• Ben Bowlin, in praise of archival websites:
  “World Wide Words...is a treasure trove, a cavalcade of very, very strange phrases and...” (35:54)

• Frank Mulheron (on language borrowing):
  “It’s an example of a reborrowing...it becomes associated with Irish nightlife culture...and then it ends up coming back into English by way of Ireland.” (23:06)

• On "crack was 90":
  “That is the highest gradation of cracking. If you go back past crack 90, then you’ve entered into minus crack.” (26:36)

• Rowan Newby, satirizing his own etymology:
  “Is any of this true?...I wrote a bunch of other fake things if you want me to read...I mean real things.” (44:31–44:34)

• Meta-Reflection:
  “All language is constructed, so, I mean, really, what is real? Versus fake?” (46:57)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:54 — Main episode content resumes after ads.
• 09:00 — "Posh" segment begins.
• 15:46 — Transition to next idiom.
• 20:12 — "Crack/Craic" segment.
• 26:34 — Explanation of "crack was 90."
• 32:31 — "Willy Nilly" segment.
• 40:41 — "Harbucksing the Runway" segment.
• 47:24 — Final thoughts and listener question: idioms from other languages.
• 49:34–50:06 — Closing thanks, credits, and call for listener submissions.

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Episode Highlights

• Light, irreverent tone: Hosts and guests riff off each other, embracing tangents and self-referential humor.
• Mythbusting & Truths: The origins of “posh” and “craic” are dissected, revealing the power of rumors and the playfulness of etymology.
• Meta-commentary: Throughout, the show reflects on how idioms emerge and persist through culture — sometimes through pure imagination.
• Audience Engagement: Listeners are encouraged to send in their own favorite idioms, especially those that seem odd when translated to English.

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Summary

This episode offers both laughs and legitimate linguistic history, exploring the real and fantastical stories behind colorful idioms. From debunking travel myths about "posh," to unraveling the cross-cultural journey of "craic," to the age-old roots of "willy nilly," and finally, inventing (or possibly inventing) new idioms altogether — the Ridiculous History team once again makes language fun, approachable, and just a little bit ridiculous.

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Stay tuned for more episodes that are guaranteed, if nothing else, to be absolutely ridiculous!

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Transcript

[Ben Bolan]

Fellow ridiculous historians, we're back with another classic episode. This is a follow up to our legendary idiomatic for the People 2 Part 1. This is idiomatic for the People 2 Part 2, which we thought was just an amazing inside joke.

[Noel Brown]

We did. And it was. We stand by it. If anyone's not familiar with the incredible Athens, Georgia based indie well, they became huge mega rock stars, but they originally were kind of like heroes of the early indie rock kind of scene. REM Automatic for the People was the name of one of their biggest albums and is named after a really amazing soul food restaurant in Athens, Georgia called Weaver D's. And their slogan was Whatever it means Automatic for the People. Sadly, that spot recently closed and as long as I've been going to Athens and even living there, I'd never been until very recently. And then they closed and it was awesome. Had a squash casserole. Delicious.

[Ben Bolan]

And speaking of awesome, we have a lot of fun with this one, Max. I think it was a little bit before your time maybe so we had talked previously when we aired Part two Part one. Still hilarious. We had talked about resurrecting this series with more idioms and things for the etymology nerds. Max, would you be on board to hop on mic with us for for a gritty reboot?

[Rowan Newby]

You know I would.

[Ben Bolan]

All right, good, because it'd be awkward if you said no. Anyway, let's roll the tape.

[Noel Brown]

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[Ben Bolan]

is a production of iHeartRadio. And we've returned. In an earlier episode, we launched our continuing exploration into idioms. This is the next episode of Idiomatic for the people.

[Noel Brown]

Come on, knock on my door Come on, knock on my door Idiomatic for you. Something. Something about people and phrases and dun, dun, dun. You gotta workshop that.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Noel Brown]

No, Ben. You pointed out, though, that the Three's Company theme, kind of dirty, clearly not

[Ben Bolan]

as innocent as the melody would imply. And this is something that we should look back into because I know that you and I and our super produce, Casey Pegram, had a fantastic time tripping the light of music history in our Louie Louie episode. So maybe we can look at sitcom theme songs one day.

[Noel Brown]

Are you trying to make Trip the Light happen, Ben?

[Ben Bolan]

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[Frank Mulheron]

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[Noel Brown]

That could be a whole nother thing. We hear voices here. Who are these voices, man? We've got voices.

[Ben Bolan]

That's right.

[Noel Brown]

They're not just the ones in our heads.

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No.

[Ben Bolan]

No. It's not just you and Casey and myself. Today we are rejoined by our good friends Rowan Newby and Frank Mulher.

[Noel Brown]

Hey, mahalo, guys.

[Ben Bolan]

Thanks for having me.

[Noel Brown]

Was that a well, hello or a mahalo?

[Frank Mulheron]

Both.

[Noel Brown]

Okay, I'm fine with that.

[Ben Bolan]

Multifunctional. So we're really glad that you guys didn't give up the ghost. That's another idiom. Didn't give up the ghost at intermission and came back. So thanks so much for giving us a second date. We've established the rules. Videomatic for the people Already?

[Noel Brown]

I almost tapped out myself, Ben. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Bolan]

You've had a long day, my friend.

[Noel Brown]

It's been a long journey. I was telling super producer Casey Peckham that I did get good sleep last night. I went to bed like a good boy at around 9. Woke up at 4:30. But it's not about the lack of sleep. It's just about the length of the day. You're up at 4. It feels like an eternity. But I'm kind of liking this punchy vibe that I'm riding now. I'm hoping that it'll lend itself to some fun idiomatic dissection.

[Ben Bolan]

I am 100% agreed with you. And I've just been struck by inspiration. Noel, will you be the first brave soul to explore an idiom with us today?

[Noel Brown]

I would love to, Benjamin. My idiom is the name of a Spice Girl. Can you guess which one it is?

[Ben Bolan]

Is it scary?

[Noel Brown]

The story is a little bit scary. It does involve some sport. Some potential sports. Some sports. Sporty individuals.

[Frank Mulheron]

That's not a baby.

[Noel Brown]

What are the other ones? There's baby. Baby. There may be some Babies in the story here.

[Ben Bolan]

Baby spice. Ginger.

[Noel Brown]

I think I know.

[Ben Bolan]

Ginger spice.

[Noel Brown]

Was she ginger spice or was she? Was, wasn't she?

[Ben Bolan]

There was ginger spice.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Frank Mulheron]

Ginger is a spice, I think, is what you mean.

[Noel Brown]

Ginger is a spice.

[Ben Bolan]

Multiple levels.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah, so many levels.

[Noel Brown]

The story of the Spice Girl in question, or at least her namesake, does involve some spices, potentially turmeric. Yeah, exactly. It involves a journey to India, to the land of Asia, the land of exotic spices. My favorite, like turmeric. Like, know, peppercorns, also. Peppercorns. That's right. That's right. But it's not just any journey, my friend. It is the journey of the wealthy via steamship. You see, in the late 19th and early 20th century, it was the thing to do for the. Well, to do the wealthy, the upper crust of England, to go to India for what they call in, in England, holiday, which means vacation.

[Frank Mulheron]

Right.

[Noel Brown]

Oh, or it's also a fabulous Madonna song. Wouldn't that be funny? There's a Go Go song called Vacation, and then there's a Madonna song called Holiday. And they're both. You know, Madonna's song about holiday is about taking a holiday. If we took a holiday, just some time to celebrate. No, I think she's more talking about, like a Christmas type experience. Sure, she's talking about celebrating.

[Frank Mulheron]

Well, as long as you wake me up before you go.

[Rowan Newby]

Go.

[Noel Brown]

Oh, you know I will. Rowan Newby. You know I will. Listen here.

[Rowan Newby]

That.

[Noel Brown]

Listen here, my friend. So they have to take this journey on steam. And here's the thing. In those days, it was not a good look for the wealthy to have a tan, because the tan was not what it is today, where people, you know, get literally spray painted on their body so they look. They have that, like, glow. Uh, no, that was the look that was reserved for, like, a field hand. That was considered, like, what we would call, like a redneck or something like that. Someone that's like the lowest of the low. And these. These wealthy types wanted to maintain their ghostly complexion. So here's the thing. The story of the word posh. That is my word. That was a long preamble to get there. I know, but, Ben, you know I love a good acronym.

[Ben Bolan]

That's true.

[Noel Brown]

You know, I. You know this about me, Frank. You know this about me. I'm always talking about acronyms. The house.

[Frank Mulheron]

It's like the.

[Noel Brown]

I won't shut up. I'm like, acronym, acronym, acronym. Yet I can't seem to think of one.

[Frank Mulheron]

Get it?

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Noel Brown]

So let's name some radar Race car. It's a palindrome. It's not an acronym.

[Ben Bolan]

Just want to chime in here. One of my favorite palindromes. Dr. Awkward. Really?

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[Frank Mulheron]

Beautiful.

[Noel Brown]

Also one of my favorite Spider man villains.

[Frank Mulheron]

No, wait a second.

[Noel Brown]

I know.

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My favorite is Lonely Tylenol.

[Ben Bolan]

Wow, that's a good one.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah.

[Ben Bolan]

But palindromes may be something for a different tale, right?

[Noel Brown]

Did you know that the word palindrome is itself a palindrome?

[Ben Bolan]

I'm pretty sure it might be in some other language.

[Noel Brown]

Okay, okay, that's fair. So I'll tell you. The story of the word posh is really fascinating because there is a popularly circulated, let's call it, I don't know, rumored origin of this word, that these mucky muck English types that were going on their holiday to India via steamship required a very particular type of seat. So they would not get that tan. So they wanted to sit in the part of the ship that would shield them from the afternoon sun, which is the hottest of the hot during the day, when you're out on the open sea, which would, according to this version of events, be the right or the starboard side. And then when you came back, they wanted it to be on the left or the port side. So therein you have the acronym P O, S H, Port side out, starboard home, meaning on the voyage there, you'd sit on the port side. On the voyage back, you'd sit on the starboard side. And supposedly, according to this tale, these tickets would be stamped with posh. And it got so popular that people just started asking for the posh ticket. We want the posh ticket. How posh turns out. This is garbage. This story is not true at all. And there's great reason. It's so garbage and so questionable that Snopes has a fantastic article dissecting all of these various versions of the story. And they have a couple of reasons that this does not make sense. First of all, the way the sun would move in a journey like this would be different depending on the day.

[Ben Bolan]

Right.

[Noel Brown]

This is a very long and arduous journey. And they, you know, you couldn't really bank on where the sun would be. Exactly.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah.

[Ben Bolan]

It makes its own rules.

[Noel Brown]

It does make its own rules. And that's the thing. The winds, there were monsoon winds that would be in play, and they would change from season to season. So it would change seasonally. You know, like, maybe not day to day, but certainly seasonally. And there's. Here's the other part. Here's the other rub as they say, which is another idiom we should explore. There it is. Yeah, there it is right there. They these trips were so long and difficult that they wouldn't book a round trip. They would be staying in India for a long time to make it worth their while. They might stay months, some might even stay for like a year or so. They would not book that return trip until they knew damn well they were ready to come home.

[Frank Mulheron]

It's very posh of them.

[Noel Brown]

It's so posh. And so the real origin of the word posh came around in 1830. And the thing about posh, too, is the reason stories like this can take hold is because its origins are a little bit murky. But there are some origins in the Romani language of the early 17th century where it was a term that meant money. The term was posh huri, which was their version of a half pence. So then the word posh kind of stuck around and started to mean money. Money equals. You are so money. You are so well to do. You are so posh. That makes a lot of sense to me. And now we use that term to mean anyone that moneyed or looking fancy or looking like whatever their getup is would have cost a good bit, you know.

[Ben Bolan]

That's amazing. I have to admit, it was a little bit of an emotional roller coaster for me, Noel, because I got quite into the idea of Posh Spice's full name being Port side Out Starboard Home Spice.

[Noel Brown]

That would be good. That would be good. And a point that I love the Snopes article makes, is that the Brits of this period, and honestly, humans in general, big fans of scrapbooking. Scrapbooking is a. It was a super fashionable thing to do and not a single one of these posh stamped tickets exists in the world.

[Ben Bolan]

Ah, busted. It's debunked.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah, so, yeah, totally debunked.

[Frank Mulheron]

But the Brits love to say posh. That's probably where I know the term from.

[Noel Brown]

Of course, you're a posh dandy. You know, you're like a posh dandy tripping the light fantastic.

[Ben Bolan]

There we go.

[Frank Mulherron]

I like that line from Peep show where it's like he calls him a posh spaz. You probably iron your socks.

[Ben Bolan]

That's right, exactly. Also, also, I propose that we take it upon ourselves to bring back posh as a slang term for money. There's always. There's so many. I think you can pull it off and no one will bust you. You know what I mean? Like, if you say how much posh is that they'll just say it's 4.35.

[Noel Brown]

I think that works totally. There's some like. You ever heard of like scratch? You ever heard of someone calling money scratch?

[Ben Bolan]

Sure. Cheddar.

[Noel Brown]

Posh is way cooler.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, posh is way cooler.

[Noel Brown]

You got the posh.

[Frank Mulheron]

Definitely more fashionable.

[Noel Brown]

Sounds like something Ali G would say.

[Frank Mulheron]

You would say booyakasha.

[Noel Brown]

Exactly.

[Frank Mulheron]

Booyah. Pasha.

[Ben Bolan]

Oh my gosh.

[Noel Brown]

Oh, boy.

[Frank Mulheron]

All right, come on.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

It.

[Frank Mulherron]

Good.

[Ben Bolan]

Now we now we turn to let's see what what? You got something Frank? You got one for us?

[Frank Mulherron]

Sure. I Was looking at what's cracking in. What's cracking in on tonight. Do y' all have what's cracking. Do y' all have any idea of what's going on?

[Noel Brown]

Like some. Some.

[Ben Bolan]

What's the haps?

[Frank Mulherron]

Yeah, what's the haps? What's the buzz? What's the cracking? You know, what's the new gossip?

[Ben Bolan]

What's the four one. One.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Frank Mulherron]

And so I was looking into this and, you know, it's not something that's native to America.

[Frank Mulheron]

It's.

[Frank Mulherron]

But it's been around in England for a while. And specifically it comes from the Ulster area and the Scots Irish area of the British Isles. And originally it was spelled, you know, like the way we spell it now, like C R A, C K. So

[Noel Brown]

that was American then? It was an Americanized version or.

[Frank Mulherron]

No, well, no, no, no. It was originally in. As Middle English and it was just like. In it, you know, it was related to the sound. But it. But in this particular usage of it, it pertained to, like, a lot of chatter, basically. Like people, you know, you go into a loud bar, restaurant, you hear just, you know, white noise.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Noel Brown]

I believe they call them pubs over there.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, yeah. So a Mary cacophony.

[Frank Mulherron]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so very nice.

[Frank Mulheron]

I spent.

[Frank Mulherron]

What I found really interesting about this was that it's an example of a reborrowing. So it was primarily used in Scotland, Northern England, and in Northern Ireland. It really wasn't used in Ireland. Even though we associate, you know, when people say, where's the crack? Or what's the crack?

[Noel Brown]

That is not what I think of when people say where's the crack? I'm thinking of something completely different.

[Frank Mulherron]

Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. But, yeah, but say if you were in Ireland and somebody asked you that, you know, they would just take you to a cool bar, you know, a restaurant or whatever, and then sell you some crack. Sell you some crack and then you'd continue about your night. So cracks use in mainland Ireland or the non Northern Ireland part really is more of a recent thing and kind of started in the late 60s. And what happened was they took crack and galicized it and started to spell it C R, A, I, C. You know, so they don't have a K in Gaelic. And I don't know why they chose to put an I in front of.

[Noel Brown]

That's what I'm saying. It looks like a more Middle English version. Like, I would think of it like, you know, the crake was in the whiskey and the leapy deeps and all that kind of stuff.

[Ben Bolan]

Yes, exactly. It's got a Jabberwocky vibe to it as well.

[Noel Brown]

Really? In the sleety toots?

[Ben Bolan]

Yes, yes, the guy. So I wonder if it's related to archaic in any way just because of that. AI.

[Frank Mulherron]

It's just an example of the Irish taking this word and giving it a more Gaelic sort of rebranding. And that's really kind of like what it turns into, because it turns into this Gaelic spelling of it, and it becomes associated with Irish nightlife culture and just going out and having fun and raising hell and all that kind of stuff. And then it ends up coming back into English by way of Ireland. And it kind of now means, like, fun nightlife, gossip, and all this kind of stuff, but with the kind of Irish flavor to it.

[Ben Bolan]

So are we. Are we having crack now? Is that. Is this what we're doing?

[Frank Mulherron]

I'd like to hope so. I hope so.

[Ben Bolan]

For real. Okay.

[Frank Mulheron]

All right. Is that how you would say it, too, or having cracked?

[Noel Brown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frank Mulherron]

We're having a crack.

[Frank Mulheron]

And having a crack.

[Ben Bolan]

I feel very strange, very fake. Say, like, if you're having a good crack.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah.

[Ben Bolan]

I went to Dublin last year, and what surprised me is I had heard people use this phrase, but I had no idea what it meant. And I was never in a situation where I wanted to stop someone and be like, pardon me, fellow Irish person, you know what I mean? What. What is this crack of which you speak?

[Frank Mulheron]

Take a crack.

[Noel Brown]

And where can I get some? I'm sorry, I keep leaning on that, but it's. I can't. I can't unhear that. So to me, what. What occurred? What. What comes to mind is what's cracking.

[Ben Bolan]

Yes, sure.

[Noel Brown]

And I also. Another popular British expression is a cracking good time.

[Ben Bolan]

Exactly.

[Noel Brown]

So if you're saying that's cracking good, you know, that just. I think it just means that it's super exciting and fun and upbeat. High energy.

[Frank Mulherron]

Yeah, totally. And one interesting thing I came across with this is that it's kind of of now that it's become readopted by English speakers, it's now kind of, like, seen as kind of like, emblematic of the Disney ification of Irish culture. You saw, like, the proliferation of, like, Irish pubs in the 90s, you know,

[Noel Brown]

and that tipsy McStumbles.

[Frank Mulherron]

Exactly.

[Noel Brown]

I didn't make that up. And Frank and I's hometown of Augusta, Georgia, which she mentioned last episode, there is an Irish bar that's sort of like an Irish bar, hooters, called Tipsy McStumbles.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Noel Brown]

If that's not the most offensive cultural appropriation that I can think of off the top of my head, I don't know what it is.

[Frank Mulherron]

You know, there are a lot of really cool examples of reborrowing that I thought were really interesting. You know, like, you know how like animation in English and then in Japan there's anime and then now in English animation that has this from Japan or Japanimation Japan.

[Noel Brown]

Nobody says that. Nobody says you're not supposed to say that. That will get you punched by fans of the medium.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frank Mulherron]

So it's come full circle back to anime.

[Ben Bolan]

So I have a question. Can we as Americans use this phrase or are we being jerks?

[Frank Mulherron]

I would, if I was going over there, I would be like, listen, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want this Mickey Mouse don't. Donald Duck crack. You know, I'm looking for the real thing. You know, don't send me to where the tourists are.

[Noel Brown]

Okay.

[Frank Mulheron]

I feel like I'm not into Donald Duck crack either, personally.

[Noel Brown]

Oh my goodness. Last thing, real quick. I keep seeing this on the Internet. When I'm looking at this. The crack was 90. Why isn't it 100? Yes. Why is it only 90?

[Frank Mulherron]

That is the highest gradation of cracking.

[Noel Brown]

Bad level crack.

[Frank Mulherron]

If you go back past crack 90, then you've entered into minus crack where you've had too good of a time and you know, you said some terrible things and gotten into a fight and bloody minus crack.

[Frank Mulheron]

I can't even do it.

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[Ben Bolan]

You.

[Noel Brown]

You were canceled this season, right?

[Frank Mulheron]

You were so minus crack.

[Noel Brown]

That was fantastic. I first of all, when you texted the group saying that, I thought you were misspelling a word and I was like, I don't know what this is, but I am, I am delighted. This I literally learned.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, I didn't want to, I didn't want to mention it in our off air talks because I thought you would like have more fun.

[Noel Brown]

So you knew about it? You knew what it was?

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, because people talk about it. I actually, when we were there, we ended up entirely through accident staying next to the most notorious club in Dublin, which is a place called Copper Faced Jacks. I don't want to go too far into detail on it, but if you are buy a computer that is not associated with your work, feel free to Google it and check out what happens at Copperface Jacks. I hear it's ragin crack. It's at 90. Am I doing that right? Yeah. Oh, crack 90 crack 90 we should do. We should do. There's some T shirt ideas here, guys. These are T shirt ideas right in.

[Noel Brown]

Let us know.

[Frank Mulherron]

Yeah, I'll wear any shirt with crack on it.

[Ben Bolan]

That's what people say about you.

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[Ben Bolan]

I have one you guys. It might surprise you. Have you ever felt that you were doing Something or involved in some kind of project that felt too improvised, somewhat haphazard.

[Noel Brown]

Like this podcast.

[Ben Bolan]

No, we had a. Hey, we had a plan.

[Noel Brown]

We had a text. We had a text.

[Ben Bolan]

We had a text threat.

[Frank Mulheron]

So irreverence is the name of the game.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah. More loosey goosey than this, is what you're saying.

[Ben Bolan]

And not loose secrecy, but that's a great one, too.

[Frank Mulheron]

It's true.

[Ben Bolan]

The phrase willy nilly, which is for older generations.

[Noel Brown]

No, I'm sorry. Just willy nilly, loosey goosey. They're both kind of similar. Sing songy.

[Ben Bolan]

They've got some whimsy to them.

[Frank Mulheron]

Right.

[Ben Bolan]

They're a bit je. June, but willy nilly. Now, it's something you would associate with. Let's be honest. Maybe a child, a teacher, or an older person. Say, in a way like if you've ever seen a very wholesome person get angry, they would use a phrase like willy nilly. Like, you cannot be out all hours of the night driving willy nilly. Hither and yon.

[Noel Brown]

Hither and thither, even.

[Ben Bolan]

Yes, yes.

[Noel Brown]

Pall Mall.

[Ben Bolan]

So nowadays, in 2019, we associate this with the definition that I think we all recognized instantly. Doing something without a good set of directions, lackluster planning, somewhat haphazardly. Which reminds us. I feel terrible. Super producer Casey Pegram. We went willy nilly into the beginning of this podcast.

[Noel Brown]

We ran roughshod over our normal top of the show. Shout out to Casey.

[Ben Bolan]

Yes, please give us this. Yes, we are penitent.

[Noel Brown]

I blame you, Rowan.

[Frank Mulheron]

What? Come on.

[Ben Bolan]

We blame Rowan.

[Frank Mulheron]

Oh, look, I'm sorry, Casey. Do you forgive me?

[Ben Bolan]

I forgive you.

[Frank Mulheron]

Oh, listen to that, huh?

[Noel Brown]

Casey on the case.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah, and it sounded very sincere. So why don't you guys need to take a deep breath? All right, we're good.

[Ben Bolan]

So Willy Nilly is much older than you might originally suspect. The phrase that survives now. W I L L Y N I L L Y is the winner of a long battle between various different spellings. And it's even become a great fake name if you guys are into those. William Niliam. Who's gonna use that at the airport next?

[Frank Mulheron]

Every hotel.

[Ben Bolan]

I stay at every hotel. So the early meaning of the word nil is key to the understanding. It used to mean originally with or your will. So come hell or high water is closer to the original version of willy nilly. Because the early meaning of the word nil, it was the opposite of will, a contraction of nay. Will. So.

[Noel Brown]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ben Bolan]

So I blow my mind. So I nil. Do That I will not do that.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah.

[Noel Brown]

Webster's defines it as whether you like it or not.

[Ben Bolan]

Yep. And so I've always wanted to say

[Noel Brown]

Webster's defines it as sorry, Perfect.

[Frank Mulheron]

Shout out to Webster's.

[Ben Bolan]

So will I nil. I can be expanded into be I willing, be I unwilling. Combining the two sentiments with the implication that it doesn't matter how you feel about it, you are stuck doing this thing. I got a lot of this information from one of my favorite word websites, which is world wide words. It is a treasure trove, a cavalcade of very, very strange phrases and interest

[Noel Brown]

backstory of the guy that maintained it.

[Ben Bolan]

Right? Yeah. Yeah. He is no longer actively updating the site, but Michael Quinion has spent his entire life studying this. He's a one man army and it's fascinating just the sheer bulk of stuff he described. So shout out to you, Mike. And thanks for putting this together. So the phrase itself dates back at least a thousand years. The earliest known version was in an old English text called Lives of Saints. The line is, for in thee we sing, Saint, fool and skolen bone ID mode. Will we nill we. I don't know what he's talking about, but willy nilly.

[Noel Brown]

Willy nilly. I did. And something about skating and bone.

[Frank Mulheron]

What was it?

[Noel Brown]

Skanks and bones.

[Ben Bolan]

Sin. Sinful and stolen Bone. Edmod.

[Noel Brown]

Ed mode.

[Ben Bolan]

Ed mode.

[Noel Brown]

I'm in Ed mode.

[Frank Mulheron]

I'm in edmod.

[Ben Bolan]

Bro, you're so Ed mode right now.

[Noel Brown]

That's like when you like actively are sort of like a dweeb. Like I'm in full Ed mode.

[Ben Bolan]

And then it kind of.

[Noel Brown]

I don't know why. Sorry to all that.

[Ben Bolan]

No, this is great. These are going to be T shirts. And then it occurs in the Taming the Shrew in 1596 with its original meaning. Petruchio, speaking to Katharina, says, thus in plain terms, your father hath consented that you shall be my wife. Your dowry, greed. On. And will you Nil you. I will marry you. Super creepy dude.

[Frank Mulherron]

Wow.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah. Yeah. That's not a good look for Petruchio. What's his name?

[Ben Bolan]

That's right.

[Noel Brown]

Oh, I got it.

[Ben Bolan]

You nailed it, man. And this is just a. I think a great example of how previously, maybe not sinister, but previously more combative or less innocuous terms become these fun things that we throw around now. You know what I mean? You're not. You're like the odds of you being in an altercation and someone saying, will you or nil you in a Threatening manner. That's just safely not going to happen.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah, no, I totally agree. I do have to say, Ben, I use this one quite a lot.

[Ben Bolan]

Ah, yeah.

[Frank Mulheron]

You use it Willy Nilly.

[Noel Brown]

I use it Willy Nilly.

[Ben Bolan]

Just.

[Noel Brown]

Just every which way. Yeah, I really do. I really, really like Willy Nilly.

[Frank Mulheron]

Oh, come on.

[Ben Bolan]

I keep thinking of. What's that song?

[Frank Mulheron]

Willy Bully.

[Ben Bolan]

I keep thinking of the song Wooly Bully, but just with the lyrics replaced. Willy Nilly.

[Noel Brown]

I like it.

[Ben Bolan]

Which actually works.

[Noel Brown]

I do. But honestly, though, when I use it, though, I use it in kind of a Larry David kind of like, grumpy old man way where I'm like, you can't just go doing this stuff willy nilly, you know, like, you know, it's this idea of there's got to be a little order involved.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Noel Brown]

You can't just go.

[Frank Mulheron]

You can't just be going out, you

[Noel Brown]

know, doing whatever it is you're doing. Whatever the case might be.

[Frank Mulheron]

Who knows?

[Frank Mulherron]

Can't be haphazard or pell mel.

[Ben Bolan]

Pall Mall.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yes.

[Noel Brown]

Which is so funny because they're cigarettes. I was about to say Paul or Grandpa. Cigarettes. Who also say Willy Nilly, probably. But Grandpa's pronounce it Pall Mall. And if you look at the. The pack, it's clearly Pall Mall.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Noel Brown]

And they're still around, but apparently they're like that. That's one of these examples of willful disagreement of an obvious pronunciation. You know, like, I love that.

[Frank Mulherron]

Maybe they're just like, I'm gonna smoke this as fast as possible, and I

[Frank Mulheron]

don't have time to read the box.

[Ben Bolan]

A person with things to do. So that's the story. So we have posh. We have crack. We took a crack at crack. And then we have Willy Nilly. But we weren't quite Willy nilly with this episode because we did have a plan. We did promise everyone in the beginning that we would each present an idiom. And Rowan, since you are an alumni. Alumnus.

[Frank Mulheron]

Alumnar. Alum.

[Noel Brown]

Aluminium.

[Frank Mulheron]

Aluminium.

[Ben Bolan]

Since you are in fact built largely from aluminium. No, that is correct.

[Frank Mulheron]

I am a tin man.

[Ben Bolan]

We would like to give the honor to you. You have the last idiom. Now, this means that if the three of us have really dropped the ball here, I don't know where that one comes from, then it's no pressure on you to save the show.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah, I don't feel pressured by that statement at all.

[Ben Bolan]

Good. Because Nolan Fr gave you some serious nods and want you to know that we're not joking.

[Frank Mulheron]

Okay. They all just Crack their knuckles. And they're looking at me very sternly. Want everyone to know. Can you hear those knuckles cracking?

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Frank Mulheron]

K you.

[Noel Brown]

That is not Foley. That is. That is in the room.

[Frank Mulheron]

Wow. Okay, well, I'm triggered by that. Sweating bullets right now. Put that on your list, by the

[Noel Brown]

way, because I'm tripping balls right now.

[Frank Mulheron]

Tripping the balls. Fantastic.

[Noel Brown]

Got it.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah. There's actually a dry erase board behind Ben. Or he puts a tally of every accidental idiom we utter.

[Noel Brown]

Ben literally keeps score in all things.

[Frank Mulheron]

In all things podcast related.

[Ben Bolan]

I'm super petty.

[Frank Mulheron]

I'm kidding, but sure. Yeah. Here we go. Let's jump in. This is a lesser known idiom for the people out there harboxing the Runway. If you're not familiar with this, it refers to someone who's maybe showboating or peacocking a bit, you know, maybe accidentally alienating a crowd, as opposed to enlightening with their flair and mild superiority. But, like, big personality mostly.

[Ben Bolan]

I've heard this, but I have no idea where it comes from. Is it like a. Is like a European thing or is it.

[Frank Mulheron]

You know, I think its origins are English, but. But I think English. So, yeah, European. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Noel Brown]

Think. Did you do the homework?

[Frank Mulheron]

I did the homework. Come on.

[Ben Bolan]

We were really picking on rowing today.

[Frank Mulheron]

Well, it is one of those expressions that feels fake, but I promise it's not. So.

[Ben Bolan]

What? Okay, so. So lay it on us, man. Sure. What's the etymology? Is there a story behind this?

[Frank Mulheron]

Well, there's a man by the name of Alexander Benson. Okay. Who was the great grandfather of somebody who I know. And Admiral Nicholas von Benson, who has shared this wisdom with. It evidently stems from old brigantine ships. And there was something called a. Like, you know, the front of the ship is the bow and the back is the port. Correct or. No, the port is the stern.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Thank you.

[Frank Mulheron]

And so in the back of the ship's where you steer the ship. And if somebody was steering the ship, they would have this semblance of, you know, kind of arrogance. They'd be taking up a lot of, you know, they're like, oh, I'm in control of this ship. So they were often known as the Harbucks. They were Harbucksing. Oh, okay. And the Runway being like. They're the passageway from the port or the starboard.

[Ben Bolan]

Oh, okay.

[Frank Mulheron]

All right. The stern is in the back, I'm saying. But when you look forward.

[Noel Brown]

Ah, yes.

[Frank Mulheron]

Because they get this whole, like, vista of the entire ship and the sea because they're steering the ship.

[Noel Brown]

So they're sort of like hogging the. The spotlight a little bit.

[Frank Mulheron]

Exactly. Yeah. And they can be a little braggadocious, but they're doing the job. You know, I think it's kind of a unintentional type of par.

[Frank Mulherron]

Box, like flexing on the gram or something.

[Frank Mulheron]

Sure, yeah.

[Ben Bolan]

A more archaic version, perhaps.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yes. Why not very archaic?

[Ben Bolan]

Because I haven't. I gotta be honest. Like, I haven't. I'm familiar with it. I'm sure a lot of us listening are, but I haven't heard it in the modern day. You know what I mean?

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah. Well, you know, much like willy nilly, people aren't or will to the nil or whatever it was, folks aren't using this as a as often as they should. You know, frankly, I'm a little upset that people often try to call me on this, but it is real as the table we're in front of.

[Ben Bolan]

Right. We are not sitting down. We're standing at the table in a line.

[Frank Mulheron]

Real as the table in front of us. You can put that on the tally board.

[Ben Bolan]

All right. Do you think people should bring this back? Back?

[Frank Mulheron]

I. I strongly suggest it would be for the. The benefit of all if we. Because you got to call people on their. On their BS.

[Noel Brown]

Oh.

[Frank Mulheron]

Often. You know what I'm saying?

[Noel Brown]

Oh. So. Okay. So I'm gonna. Okay. Is, is, Is any of this true?

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah. All right. What?

[Noel Brown]

I don't know, man.

[Frank Mulheron]

I wrote a bunch of other fake things if you want me to read. Yes, yes. I mean real things.

[Ben Bolan]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Frank Mulheron]

Because I did actually Google the word hard. Harbuck. Because, you know, this is what the Internet's for, Right? Sure. Okay. Harbuck could have ties to a Gaelic expression. Harbuck, which was a surname or habitational name taken from Arbuckle, a parish of air dry Lancashire. I think I'm pronouncing that incorrectly, but it's Gaelic. Yes, fine.

[Ben Bolan]

Wow. Really? That's Gaelic?

[Frank Mulheron]

It's Gaelic.

[Ben Bolan]

So we've got crack and we came back around.

[Frank Mulheron]

Exactly. We're back. And he was talking about ships at the beginning of the. The show.

[Noel Brown]

Wow.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah.

[Frank Mulheron]

Think about that. It's almost as though I'm definitely usual suspecting.

[Noel Brown]

Almost as though you invented or. I'm sorry, discovered the perfect crystallization of everything that we did in this episode. Summed up in a completely believable and meticulously researched idiom.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I.

[Frank Mulheron]

You know, I couldn't have said it better myself. I. I'm patting myself on the back. However, Nicholas Von Vince. Admiral deserves a large amount of the credit as well, I must say.

[Noel Brown]

Was he the harb. Was he the original Harbucks?

[Frank Mulheron]

He was the original person to Harbucks the Runway.

[Noel Brown]

I should say this wouldn't an admiral. He would just be commanding. He wouldn't be steering.

[Frank Mulheron]

He was kind of a dick about it.

[Noel Brown]

Okay, that's.

[Ben Bolan]

Some people are really hands on, you know?

[Noel Brown]

Yeah.

[Frank Mulheron]

So people. Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, it's. You know, there are shifts.

[Ben Bolan]

It's also a power move.

[Frank Mulheron]

Exactly.

[Ben Bolan]

You know, like, you're an admiral, you want people to know you still got it.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah, he would often just, like, shift. Hey, guys, look at me. Hey, check out the. The steering on this guy, huh?

[Noel Brown]

Got really good handling. Really good handling.

[Frank Mulheron]

Yeah. And then people would be swabbing the poop deck like, that's nice, sir. That's great.

[Ben Bolan]

Well, you know what? I say we take this to our favorite court, because if anyone can get to the bottom of the veracity of this figure of speech, it will be our super producer, Casey Pegram. Casey, question for you. When was the last time you heard Harboxing the Runway?

[Frank Mulheron]

I would estimate about an hour ago when we were talking about it outside before recording.

[Ben Bolan]

This is new to you?

[Frank Mulheron]

It's a new one to me. But, you know, it feels like it should be real, so it has that going for it.

[Ben Bolan]

What are you saying?

[Frank Mulheron]

Should be real, Casey? I thought we were. I mean, you know, all language is constructed, so, I mean, really, what is real. Yeah. Versus fake. Yeah. Thank you. And that's actually something I texted Noel earlier.

[Noel Brown]

That's very true.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You did.

[Noel Brown]

So be it true. Will he nil.

[Frank Mulheron]

He.

[Noel Brown]

You know, I. I think it demonstrates the malleability of language and the power of belief, which is what we're all about here on ridiculous History.

[Frank Mulheron]

That is correct.

[Ben Bolan]

It's like our main thing. It's our malleability.

[Frank Mulheron]

It's our main thing.

[Ben Bolan]

It's one of our main things. So, guys, again, thank you so much for dropping by and helping shed some light on the mysteries of etymology. For those of us listening, we want to thank you for all the responses we received to our previous idiomatic for the people write in. Let us know some of your favorite figures of speech, turns of phrase, idioms. Also, if you speak languages other than English, what's something that you think sounds really strange in English but is very common in some other language? That's an episode all its own.

[Frank Mulherron]

There are some great ones.

[Noel Brown]

Thanks to you, my dear friend. My dear old friend, Frank Mulherron. Coiner of idiomatic for the people, ephemeral friend of the show. And now what's the opposite of ephemeral, Concrete, lasting, corporeal. Friend of the show.

[Ben Bolan]

Part of the.

[Noel Brown]

It's been a long time coming. Thanks for being here, man.

[Frank Mulherron]

Thanks for having me.

[Noel Brown]

I know you had to rush over here from, from work and it means the world. Rowan Newby.

[Ben Bolan]

Yeah, thanks so much, Rowan. You can find, you can find Mr. Newby on his own show Pitches, which is a comedy podcast about the evaluation of ideas.

[Frank Mulheron]

Correct.

[Ben Bolan]

A panoply of ideas. Right?

[Frank Mulheron]

That is correct. Very good word. Yeah, you know, it's like Shark Tank, minus all the stress and money and plus all the chatter and fun and irreverence and so, yeah, it's pretty off the cuff. I got Ben Bolan here, actually coming up on an episode and I got Noel Brown here on one that's airing today. How do you like them apples?

[Ben Bolan]

So you can check it out now wherever you find your favorite podcast.

[Frank Mulheron]

That's correct. Apple podcast, Spotify. All the things you get on there, baby. It's podcast. Get it?

[Ben Bolan]

You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Meet one of our favorite parts of the show, your fellow listeners on our Facebook ridiculous historians.

[Noel Brown]

Big thanks to super producer Casey Pegram. Big thanks to our research associate Gabe Luzier. And thanks to Alex Williams who composed our ever so ear wormy theme and

[Ben Bolan]

as we said in previous episode, write it. And let us know if there were any figures of speech or turns of phrase that we used unconsciously. I'm sure they were in there. You can find my personal Instagram, Benbolan and hey, Noel, you're on the Internet.

[Noel Brown]

Yeah, I'm on the Internet at Embryonic Insider double ats. It's the only way you can find it. I'm kidding. Just a single app.

[Ben Bolan]

Willy nilly. Great crack, folks. Stay tuned for our next episode when we do something that we guarantee will be ridiculous.

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Yeah, that's the least we can guarantee. We'll see you next time. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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