Transcript

A (0:00)

Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartradio. Welcome back to the show, fellow ridiculous historians. Thank you as always so much for tuning in. And let's hear it for the man, the myth, the legend, our super producer, Max Benet Williams. Not Benet Benet like JonBenet. Similar to. We don't have the relationship.

B (0:45)

Dark.

A (0:46)

Well, we've got kind of a dark turn here. This episode is following on the heels of our recent episode we're quite proud of the title. Did lead to the fall of the Roman Empire, right?

C (1:03)

Yes. Led. Lead, lead, lead. You know, maybe. Probably not. Spoiler alert.

A (1:11)

Yeah. Contributed to maybe. You'll have to check out the episode, folks, that is none other than the legendary Mr. Noel Brown.

C (1:18)

Hello? It's you. Ben, is it you? I think it's you.

A (1:22)

We are all. We are all vast. We contain multitudes. For tax purposes, they call me Ben Bullen here in the United States.

C (1:29)

We are, bro. I gotta tell you, I made the mistake of briefly dating a gen person and she told me when I said I contain multitudes, she said, that is such a millennial thing to say. And I was really triggered by that.

A (1:42)

Has she not read Whitman?

C (1:44)

The relationship did not go well. Unclear. My whole thing is I really like there's a Bob Dylan song called I contain multitudes and obviously the Whitman is what he was referencing, but it just felt like such a dismissive thing to say. And she's the kind of person that would say like bedrot all the time. So, you know, potato, potato, to each their own. I wish her well.

A (2:06)

Yeah. Dismissiveness is arguably depending upon who you read. Dismissiveness is a sign of insecurity, lower intelligence.

C (2:19)

Oh, that too. That too. If you're a maintenance supervisor at a manufacturing facility, your job is a little like being a historian. You have to keep the past alive, including your older machines.

A (2:34)

So when you notice a set of drive belts is showing wear and tear, you call on Grainger.

C (2:39)

Summary

Ridiculous History Podcast Summary

Episode: IQ Tests are (Kind of) Dumb
Hosts: Ben Bowlin & Noel Brown
Date: April 2, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the peculiar history, legacy, and controversies of IQ tests. Ben and Noel unspool the story behind how our society tried to quantify intelligence into a single number, highlighting the flawed origins and worrying consequences. They track the journey from Alfred Binet’s early experiments to the widespread adoption and misuse of intelligence testing, while questioning if a three-digit number can really measure what it means to be 'smart.'

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Encounters with IQ and Standardized Tests

The hosts open by joking about generational differences and test-taking, noting most Americans have taken some IQ test or its "kissing cousin"—standardized tests like the SAT or ACT—even if they don't realize it.

“If you ever aspire to go to college or university, you take something that is the kissing cousin of the IQ test—things we call the SAT or the ACT.”
— Ben [08:00]

2. The Origins of the IQ Test: Alfred Binet

Alfred Binet’s Path: From law to medicine to hypnosis and finally psychology, Binet’s career is described as “mercurial.”
Early Psychology: Binet’s mentor, Jean-Martin Charcot, fell from grace over dubious hypnosis research, tarnishing Binet’s own reputation and leading him to pivot into child psychological development.
Daughter Experiments: Binet tested his ideas on his daughters, which the hosts find ‘cringe’ yet (relatively) benign for the era.

“He’s not hurting the kids, but he’s asking them very strange questions and making them do little experiments that inform his research.”
— Ben [22:06]

3. From Diagnostic Tools to Social Gatekeeping

Purpose of the First IQ Test: The French government in the early 1900s asked Binet to create a test to identify children with special learning needs—emphasizing that it was originally about support, not ranking.
Break with Galton: Binet eventually parted ways with his early inspiration, Francis Galton, criticizing Galton’s focus on trivial abilities and emphasizing judgment, reasoning, and comprehension instead.

4. The Stanford-Binet and Global Spread

Binet’s test was adapted in the US by Lewis Terman at Stanford in 1916, creating the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale.
Standardization: The idea of an average score (100) and deviation-based scaling emerges.
New Versions & Children’s Tests: Weschler’s scales add further nuance, splitting verbal and performance abilities.

5. The Problem with IQ Tests

Lack of Clear Definition: Intelligence is still not universally defined, meaning any attempt to measure it is essentially limited.
Relative, Not Absolute: IQ tests compare you to others, unlike an objective measurement like a target-shooting score.
Cultural Bias: Early and modern tests favor certain backgrounds, systematically disadvantaging minorities and the poor. Attempts to develop "culture-free" tests are discussed but found lacking.

“These tests have always been controversial since the early 1900s...and are far less useful than we have been led to believe.”
— Ben [45:10]

6. Consequences & Ethical Failings

Misuse in Education and Policy: The US used IQ-derived scores for institutionalization, gifted tracks, and at worst, to justify sterilization and eugenics.
Real Life Outcomes: High IQ doesn’t predict practical or social success; brilliant people can fail at life skills, just as “bad test-takers” can thrive.
Soft Skills Ignored: Emotional intelligence, networking, and adaptability are not measured.

7. The Flynn Effect & Modern Reflection

Flynn Effect: Over generations, average IQ increases—not from suddenly smarter genes, but from better education, health, and nutrition.
Genetics Overplayed: Lineage has less to do with IQ than environment and opportunity.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Dismissiveness is arguably…a sign of insecurity, lower intelligence.”
— Ben [02:06]
On Binet’s experiments:
“He is the weirdest goddamn dad ever.”
— Ben [22:06]
“No one thinks IQ tests are perfect, even the biggest proponents or champions of it.”
— Ben [13:38]
On the gap between test-taking and life skills:
“They can tell you how good you are taking an IQ test…but they don’t measure how you would raise kids or survive a week in the woods.”
— Ben [53:51]
On systemic abuse and eugenics:
“People begin to think that these special needs kids are not fit for society…these kids get carted off to abusive foster homes and institutions.”
— Ben [57:20]
On the myth of IQ’s predictive power:
“There’s no statistical association between your IQ score and hard measures like your wealth.”
— Ben [61:58]
On the irony of IQ’s origins:
“IQ tests, I will posit, cannot be immune from that law [that a character is only as smart as their creator]. We need the smartest people ever writing the test, and these are not them.”
— Ben [61:54]

Timestamps for Key Segments

IQ Tests in Schooling and Standardized Tests: [07:46] – [08:58]
Alfred Binet’s Biography & Experiments on Children: [15:26] – [23:36]
Development and Purpose of the First IQ Test: [30:52] – [34:24]
From Binet to the Stanford-Binet: [37:07] – [39:46]
How Modern IQ Testing Works (Bell Curve, Deviation, etc.): [41:46] – [44:14]
Cultural Bias & Historical Misuse of IQ: [45:10] – [56:13]
Eugenics and Abuse: [57:20] – [58:52]
The Flynn Effect: [62:22] – [63:25]
Closing Reflection & "Smartest Person" Trivia: [64:19] – [66:34]

Conclusion: What Can We Learn?

IQ tests are a historical artifact—a well-intentioned attempt to help struggling students that was quickly repurposed as a tool of ranking, exclusion, and at worst, oppression. Their seductive simplicity—a single, objective score—has proven both alluring and incredibly flawed. Intelligence is far too complex, social, emotional, and context-dependent to be captured by a number, and the search for a better way to understand human potential is still ongoing.

As Ben sums up:

“They’re just overblown.”
— [63:38]

Further Listening / Related Episodes

“Did Lead (lead, lead, led) to the Fall of the Roman Empire?”
Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know: Episodes on hypnosis, eugenics, and educational controversies
Stuff You Missed in History Class: The Kallikak Family and “hereditary feeble-mindedness”