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The beat dropped on "I Knew You Were Trouble" and everything changed, Taylor Swift had gone pop. Nathan and Nora break down Taylor's fourth album, 'Red,' and her transition from country to pop. They discuss Max Martin's influence on the album, the importance of songs like "All Too Well" and "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together," and some of the things that were going on behind the scenes in Taylor's life at this moment.Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's time to talk about 'Fearless,' which means it's time to talk about the infamous 2009 VMA moment when Kanye West interrupted Taylor Swift on stage. Nathan and Nora talk about how that moment impacted her career and music, how 'Fearless' represents Taylor's first step away from country and into pop, and the significance of her choosing to re-record this album.Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices